2-Gun Action Challenge Match: US WWI Infantry (M1917 & M1911)
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2024
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In this 2-Gun match, I am competing as a WWI US infantryman, with an M1917 Eddystone rifle and an M1911 pistol (both are genuine WWI-era originals). I am also using a reproduction US 1917 uniform from Mike's Militaria. It's a fantastic quality reproduction, made from the same patterns and materials as the originals, and custom tailored to fit.
Ultimately I placed 50 out of 60 shooters - not bad for shooting against almost exclusively semiauto rifles! The more I shoot the M1917 rifle, the more I like it - although heavy, it is excellent in every other way. The 1911 is an iconic pistol, but does leave something to be desired. The hammer bite left my hand bloody, but it did get the job done.
![U.S. Rifle M1917 [Sgt. York's WW1 Medal of Honor Story ] to 500yds: Practical Accuracy](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OYunBYZyCY8/mqdefault.jpg)
Ah, the standard issue World War I sunglasses.
and fabulous ponytail
Now I can't get the image of a big regiment of American volunteers getting issued ponytails out of my head
That's why you would volunteer over being conscripted to the no ponytail regiments.
Ian was the coolest GI out there
"In the early 20th century, they were also known as sun cheaters (cheaters then being an American slang term for glasses)"
"In 1913, Crookes lenses were introduced, made from glass containing cerium, which block ultraviolet light."
Mad respect for Ian's left-handed bolt action technique. Dude makes it look easy.
+LadyJaneFace
ROGER THAT! IN SPADES!
It looked pretty difficult but Ian certainly did it well.
I'm waiting for Ian to rock left handed bolt & action!
Fr I inherited one of these from my dad and the bolt is not fun to cycle. Still way better than my friends Mosin but damn
Ian sweating his balls off in a wool WWI US uniform for our entertainment, what a dedicated youtuber. respect
+Duridian Wolff Pretty sure he did it for his own entertainment, and being able to post a video was a bonus. Given the chance, I'd definitely do the challenge the way Ian did; very cool indeed.
+Duridian Wolff Wool is a surprisingly comfortable material even in hot weather
@@kaoswylie5928 Altho this was posted 3 years ago, I cant help myself but to comment. :D
As a someone who reenacts 15.th.C. Northern Italian civilian/infantryman and wears at least two layers of wool over then linnen undergarments, I can confirm that even tho' you're cooking inside and sweating as a pig-you're okey when you get dry. I'm still amazed by the fact that even after a whole day of gambeson and brigandine over the wool and linnen doesnt make you arms, torso and thighs stinky and sweaty. Good thing with 100% wool material is that it's really good insulator (you're warm when it's cold outside and you wont be so cooked during extreme sun) and wicks away the sweet instantly keeping you pretty heated up but dry while linnen undergarments allows your skin to breathe and stay clean
the Gun Jesus for the win!!!!
I want to see him doing same stuff but in WW2 german summer uniform with short pants in winter in Alaska. Something like germans felt invaiding Russia in wrong time of the year :)
This looks like ridiculous amounts of fun.
P.S. Bonus points for proper WWI stance at beginning of "Sgt. York."
P.P.S. Special BFF points to Karl for snagging that mag.
"OVER THE TOP"
Far more interesting than watching someone do this with a $3,000 Sig pistol and a $5,000 AR, bravo!
Yeah, it ain't impressive when all your doing is flaunting how much money you have. Now this? This takes some skill.
+Edson Bugatti Totally agree, with both of you.
You speak the truth. People are obsessed with tacticool nowadays. I prefer my guns wrapped in wood.
@@MaxwellBenson80 I agree but the only problem with the material is that is heavily influences by the enviorment. In terms of accuracy. You can't beat the look and feel though.
so this is like cosplaying but with slightly more gunpowder?
+Atlas And properly groomed beards and less sweat.
And accurate to history rather than to a book or tv show
Cosplay, yes, but for men.
Re-enacting > cosplaying
he looks like Jamie Hyneman more than normal here lol
"that kraut contraption is insane!"
damn them and their metal war beasts
Agent Bill Wilson Krauts only had one "metal war beast" and it was hardly entered into service brits had the tanks.
@@pietrotacconelli8311 r/wooosh
@@eastindiaV
You are a BIG JERK (dare I say ass-hole) for making the racist "jew" remark.
Completely uncalled for.
Besides, since when is "McDonald" of German ancestry?
that's a big tank
@@eastindiaV you all good man? Off your meds?
I can't begin to imagine how someone using a semi-auto must feel placing lower in a shooting match than someone with bolt-action hardware
well in a real war you barely see the enemy so you probably wont even know what and how they are firing at you and will be the last thing you will think about...with bolt action you will also try to aim better just for psychologie reasons instead of spraying bullets randomly with semi auto
spraying bullets randomly also has a psychological effect against the opposing army. With a lot of bullets flying around, they're not as confident in attacking.
Bolt action rifles tend to be more accurate than their semi-automatic cousins. Add to that, that he's an alright shot and seems to be used to the weapon systems and you have yourself a contender
Not to mention that Ian’s a lefty using a right-handed gun
At the ranges the people in this match are shooting at I imagine any accuracy advantages bolts actions carry would be negligible.
I'd bet that this is a case of slow being fast, where some people with semi autos are rushing their shots, relying on the ability for quick follow up shots and that is actually costing them more time whereas someone with a bolt action is going to make sure their sights are on target and they get a good trigger break.
*Tips brodie *
m'war bonds.
You thought right Ian.... That was a cool way to do the shoot. Well executed historical shooting. Thanks for this.
Are those sunglasses reproduction or original?
Original.
+Forgotten Weapons man you look stylish and hot
The M1917 is so underappreciated. Love that rifle :)
+Brett DuVale Enfields all the way!
+Brett DuVale Even though it is a 30-06 mauser with better sights, which makes me want one.
very underappreciated. I absolutely love mine. I am convinced all these folks still who automatically say the Enfield trumps the m17, haven't spent a meaningful amount of time with one.
+Brett DuVale Your so right because it combines some of the best aspects of the mauser and the enfield and gives birth to probably the best all around bolt action in WW1. The speed of the enfield, accuracy of mauser, and the best damn sights until the arrival of the Garand.
I have a rare X-Force shortened m1917. I think it's about 4-5 inches shorter. That actually made the rifle much more easier to handle and balance. I wish I lived closer to Ian, I'd let him borrow it to make a video. Hardly anyone knows about them because of the rarity.
The Band of Brothers reference almost brought a nostalgic tear to my eye... Well done
i had to scroll THIS FAR....
I love the fact that Ian and Carl compete to have fun.I think some competitive shooters have forgotten that.
As someone whose worn wool uniforms in the heat I thank you for sweating it out to make this, God that must have been hot in the damn desert no less. You rock Ian
Had to smile about the sun glasses and the long hair, that slightly "out of period".
Quite impressed with your ability as a marksman.
Would be period correct if he were Free Methodist, but then he would have been a non combative.
I always thought the "Hun" label was hilarious. Both because it sounds cool and because the Huns most probably looked like mongols, which is to say asian. So basically, the Allies were calling the Germans "weeaboo" before the internet.
The Kaiser called his troops Huns after they showed particular aggression in putting down the Boxer Rebellion. The name was therefore used as an insult by the Entente in WW1, because the Huns were savages, and the Huns were savages.
How do you expect to slay the Huns with dust on your jump wings?
@@Ashfielder That is not quite correct, the Kaiser did not call them "Huns" directly, but rather told them to "Like a thousand years ago, when the Huns under their King Etzel (Atilla) made their name, which has let them appear mighty in stories and myths alike today, the name 'German' shall be made known to the Chinese, so that for a thousand years, no Chinese man will ever even dare to look disgusted (scheel) at a German!" It does sound very violent either way though.
@@hanspetrich6520 Attila* because the hungarian language is goddamn stupid.
actually really interesting to watch. they should totally have competitions for old rifles and pistols like these
cracked up at "OVER THE TOP!"
*Voice chimes in from nowhere: "Double kill! Unstoppable!"
+petpeeves117 unfrigginbelievable
+petpeeves117 "Killionaire", "Invincible", "Perfection"
The mother of all combos.
+toby Hogan "Killimanjaro."
chenymania !
+petpeeves117 Killary Kinton! KIlltastic!
I'd never noticed that Ian was a lefty before. He does a great job of cycling that bolt. Nice to see some left handed people shooting. This coming from being a left handed person myself of course : ) Great video by the way.
Interesting to see him cycle the action with his right hand. I recall the lefty sniper from Saving Private Ryan reaching over with his left to work the bolt, but I don't know if that actor really is a southpaw or if, perhaps, the director wanted a more obvious movement.
+Real Horrorshow. yeah, that's funny, I was thinking about the sniper dude in S.P.R too. I remember the first time I watched that and thinking that his bolt working was a bit clunky beause he was a lefty. He looks awkward reloading in the film and I always thought it was a bad idea to have made that actor (can't remember his name) the sniper in the film beause surely any good sniper, lefty or not would be able to cycle the bolt on his rifle smoothly. In every other way he plays the part amazingly though.
Rudi Dower My buddy who was an Army Vet that the sniper being left handed was the only thing he saw wrong with the movie. “The Army would NEVER let a lefty be a sniper left handed”!
P.S. his name was Barry Pepper.
The wrong handed people will rise and overthrow our right handed overlords
@@skinWalkman I'm in a weird spot, and I don't know if Ian might technically be in the same boat: left handed, but right-eye dominant. So when I found out, I had to relearn how to shoot. So far it has worked out nicely as in many cases I can use my dominant hand for firearm manipulations.
when you get out of the car for these matches does everyone else just shake their head? XD
I think you won just on principle of showing up in costume.
hvymtal Costume? Uniform!
You dont realize how quickly Ian operates a bolt action rifle until you try it yourself. Karl as well, especially Karls target acquisition. You guys bring me so much joy with your videos, the educational history as well as displaying proper and safe handling of firearms. I love you guys.
I just rewatched this and it still makes me smile. Ian, you are an Operator with that M1917. It's a really slick action.
But I don't think the haircut is army regulation.
it's standard for 1863 Army Colonels
Standard regulation Antifa haircut.
He's been at the front for months!
that was damned impressive Ian!
This is what UA-cam was made for. This is what the internet was made for. As an aside, Ian’s left handed bolt work is the smoothest thing I’ve ever seen.
Uniforms were so nice back then. You also *feel* completely different wearing something like that.
That was awesome! Now do a match with a WW2 kit. M1, and 1911. Maybe throw a Winchester shotgun in there and run a 3 gun match...
This is so fucking awesome. lol'd at the recoil tipping the helmet into his eyes
Ian running and gunning and cycling the action at that speed is the most badass thing I've seen in a long while on UA-cam.
this video literally shits on all the people who constantly ask me: “bUt aiNt iT hArD sHoOTiN a boLt gUn leFt-haNDeD??”
I don't have access to any ranges that have action matches, nor a shooting buddy with whom to do run jump stretch crawl fart matches, but on the small private 200M range where I'm able to shoot, I devise little two-or-three-gun period courses and shoot them for time against myself. So far, I've done various iterations of same-caliber 1892 & Blackhawks (I have sets in four calibers), M1 Carbine & 1911, Garand & 1911, iron-sight bolt actions and an M625-8JM with .45 ball in full moons, an M4 and an XD45, the same with an M5, an AR22 and a High Standard M100, and a "resistance fighter" version with a '60s scoped .22 semi-auto rifle and the High Standard M100. Although I dearly love the versions with the .30 Carbine and the Garand, the real hoot comes with the leverguns and revolvers, in .32-20, .357, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt. Having just obtained a Mosin M91/30, I doubt I could find an 1895. I guess I should look for an S&W Model 3.
I am guessing you have been playing Verdun and wanted to try the American load out IRL?
lol
I do lol
it would be pretty sweet to find him in a game
The british sniper in Day of Infamy looks just like Ian, I think they are fans of his videos
I have the itch but not the equipment.
I wonder if after each section he went back and picked up all those stripper clips...
I think he did, those things are to expensive to just leave there
"Slay the Hun"
My fucking sides, your so in character its scary!
9:37
Your foot's across the line! Mark it zero!
Great video, Ian. The tailor did a good job on your uniform.
Great work Ian. Very impressive! You should do this or more "themed" two-gun challenges more often.
The way Ian runs that bolt left handed is majestic. Bravo sir
I get more and more impressed every time I watch y'all's shooting videos. Your technique is excellent- especially for a lefty- I never would've thought to work the bolt like that. Y'all are great guys- keep it up and thanks for the inspiration!
Never seen anything like Ian's working of the bolt.......LEFT HANDED! Very, very impressive.
Absolutely awesome video, there were parts were I actually found myself holding my breath waiting for you to hit a target. That some great shooting, especially with the pistol, some of those targets looked insane. The uniform looked really good as well.
Definitely a 10/10
Excellent video Ian! The challenge itself looks fun, but your choice to do it with historically-accurate WW1 gear was awesome.
how are you gonna slay the huns with dust on your jump wings?!
Luz just get me a drink.
+Mario Gonzalez sure thing..10 miles up, 10 miles down *chugs beer glass*
tucker1012 lol
everyone who got that reference is awesome
+refusefntk yea dude band of brothers is awesome.
I absolutely love things like. Its easy to forget at times, with all the negative rhetoric about firearms out there that the second best reason to own them, is that they are just plain fun. Im so glad I got to grow up with them in a safe environment and thoroughly enjoy them from childhood to now. Thanks Ian!, you made that old bolt action work.
I didn't see captain Sobel anywhere.
+Theo Flanagan he made the rusty buttons/ bayonet joke if you don't get it that's not my problem
+Griffin Guzman He set up the spinner target and then went back to a pub.
+Forgotten Weapons Do you see many (any) other people at these 2 gun running a theme? (ie WW1 US soldier etc)
You need to do more of these! It was very exciting to watch.
I subscribe to a lot of gun channels but yours and Hickok's always make me happy there's such a thing as UA-cam
Why are 20th century weapons so frickin gorgeous? That beautiful wooden furniture just has so much character and grace!
must be hard using a righty with the left still you are fast at charging the bolt
The fluidity of that shoulder cycling... _sweet_ _jesus_
Wow, as there are rarely any good color photos of wwi, nice to know what the uniform looked like in full rgb!
+Not Joe (Nacho) I remember my grandmother always thinking it was weird that the Germans always have grey uniforms in the movies - feldgrau is a greyish green, not a greenish grey x)
PS: She lived in occupied Denmark during the war.
+hjorturerlend cool didnt know that. those silly movies haha
That was totally awesome watching you run the course in period gear. Salute to you Sir !
I just bought my first 1917 Eddystone. I cannot wait to go shoot it.
Really makes you appreciate how far firearms technology has come in the last 100 years.
So scored 50 out of 60... Were the people behind you all DQed or were they just that bad? lol
+LozzerGuide Nope, no DQs. :)
You dare question the remarkable skills of Gun Jesus? Who are you? Martini “Henry” Luther?
Dude, mad respect. That uniform has to be beyond hot in the sun, the technique he used for the rifle. Then lets be honest, he looks awesome doing this
I hope you get to be a character in bf1
you ever make that mod ;)
Cal M. Did you make it?
@@HockeyCrab did you make the mod yet?
How did it go?
Two things, Ian: For a left-hander (as I am), you handle a bolt action rifle well. Better than I do. Second, you're a better shot.
"How do you plan to slay the Huns with dust on your vest pocket buttons?!?"
Was that a Band of Brothers reference?
I own a Remington M1917 and it is my favorite rifle to shoot out of all the rifles I own. I am glad to see other people appreciate the rifle as much as I do.
Damn this guy can shoot
The M1917 will forever be one of my favorites. No other bolt action I've tried could I shoot as fast as the M1917.
Wow. I had so much fun watching this, and it looks like you had tons of fun, too. It really makes me want to find a match near me. I love the channel, and I'm working my way through the Battlefield 1 playlist now. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Good shooting, especially on that 1911 with the standard sights. Great video, well done here.
Uh-oh... Trump will see this video and now you will get a tweet at 3 a.m:
"Nothing wrong with my hands. Nothing wrong with that gun. Sad little channel gets basic facts about WW1 - WRONG! Sad."
Highly overrated.
I just bought an Eddystone M1917. Manufactured 103 years ago next month. I’m loving it so far but admittedly I’m afraid to take it apart right now I’m going to learn as much as I can about it.
haha I was kinda expecting that hammer bite :D
Forgotten Weapons is the only youtube channel that doesn't have a comment section that hates on all US firearms and I like it for that.
Ian mentioned some WWI era slang coming from the French. Here's another curiosity from back then. The Russians sent men to fight at Verdun and so the Russian army marched in the victory parade down the Champs-Élysées in Paris after the war. It's from those soldiers that the French got the word for a new type of cafe. Bistro. From the Russian word bystro which means something like, "Hey! Hurry up with my order!"
That might have been from after the napolonic wars when Paris was occupied. look up beef tartare
You may be right; I have not personally checked the etymology. But my source was Martin Sixsmith, one time BBC correspondent in Moscow, who did his postgraduate studies in St Petersburg and is a fluent Russian speaker. Quoted (roughly) from his book, "Russia, a 1,000 year chronicle of the Wild East", which I am part way through (well worth a read by the way). He was explicit that it came from WWI.
I think he may have been referencing the way the US services have incorporated borrowed French terms like enfilade/defilade/echelon/barrage et al. Then again, I thought that came from the Revolutionary era...
Before I added a beavertail grip safety to it, my Essex/GI parts 1911 used to bite the web of my hand. Part of my action match prep was to secure a shaped piece of moleskin to my hand. Thank God for the Ed Brown drop-in beavertail.
"How do you expect to slay the hun with dust on your jumpwings?"
That was some beautiful bolt work Ian. Looked like a lot of fun. Keep making great videos!
Seems that helmet was getting in the way a lot more than what one would expect. Was it because you had strapped it too loose, or is something that the helmet design tends to do on it's own?.
I totally lost it when you described the "hand size" problem, btw. And is not the first time I get a good laugh when watching your videos... so just keep it up :). Love the channel.
I have a reproduction U.S. Military M1 helmet, and it slides down over my eyes a lot. It may be because I don’t have a specialized liner yet.
Just wear a patrol cap under the helmet. Keeps the helmet in place
Most early helmets up into the Cold War had two point attachment, which tends to fall like that. I reenact a variety of wwii and Cold War kits, and it’s a pretty universal problem other than the German stahlhelm. Soviet helmets were sized to fit over a cap or ushanka, which solves the issue, and later versions of the m1 and its clones had 3 point attachment. Another problem with all helmets I’ve worn though, is if you wear a pack, going prone and aiming with a rifle, the rim of the helmet tends to butt up against the pack, which pushes the rim over your eyes
You put on a clinic for shooting that 1917 left handed. Kudos Ian!
Donald Trump hands, owwww snap!
Ian's Savage
I really was starting to become curious about all this neutrality in such polarized times 😁
Not usually a big fan of watching match shooting, but with the historic arms and uniform, that was great. Would love to see more practical demonstrations of historic arms in action.
Now do it with a mosin nagant left handed. Fun times.
+dreyrugr www.full30.com/video/219a3090c409f10e5e06c4d0ef70df62
Forgotten Weapons Ah, I need to check full 30 more often.
I can’t imagine how much more difficult it must be for Ian to shoot a right handed bolt action rifle left handed
Hi, for anyone who wants to learn some of the WWI slang I suggest getting a copy of the reprinted "Lingo of No Man's Land" Written by Lorenzo N. Smith, an American who served with the Canadian army. Available on amazon.com or amazon.ca. It's an interesting read and gives some insight to what you would have heard in the trenches.
This. Was. Awesome. Entertaining, informative, period arms and garb - Bravo Ian. "OVER THE TOP!"
I'd let Ian slay my Hun, if you know what I mean.
XD
I meant I'd let him poz my neg hole, but I see what you mean now.
+Phoenix Reignition Sponge your cannon?
Wow! That was neat to see. Especially a left-handed perspective and proficiency of use on a bolt-action rifle like that.
If it wasn't for your pony tail and sun glasses I would think you actually came from WWI, your facial hair style looks like it came from that era and I mean that in a good way. :-)
The only thing that would have made this video better is if you had a M1917 revolver. Just like the Enfield was a substitute for the Springfield rifle, so was the M1917 for the 1911.
Maybe next time you can do a WWI shoot like this but with the 1897 trench shotgun famous with American forces of the era.
These amazing guys have a playlist called ‘Weapons from WWI for all you battlefield 1 fans’
Love these guys.
Very nice Ian. Just a question, if you could carry any hand gun into World War One which one would it be? I'd ask rifle but you seemed on the edge of proposing marriage to that M1917 so I assume that's what it would be lol.
Any World War One era pistols and rifles to be clear.
+Microzombie M1917 for the rifle and at this point, probably either a Luger or 1907 Roth-Steyr for the pistol.
+Forgotten Weapons It would be almost impossible to make the stars go over with 8 or 9 mm
And a little hammer bite for your troubles! Well done keeping pace on that right hand rifle action as a leftie.
wait, your a lefty?! cool!
+Reaper af95 You must be new here :)
+Reaper af95 LEFTY MASTER RACE!
+Reaper af95 Ah, yes. Ian: A man of distinction and high intelligence.
+PleaseDontWatchThese I'm not sure it is a disability. When a right handed person cycles a bolt gun they have to take there trigger hand of the small of the butt. A lefties trigger hand doesn't move. It might be an advantage. It doesn't seam to slow Ian down.
Yes, he handles it quite well--better than I handle my Mosin.
I love that Stripper Clip reload action! Very nice!
Also thanks for the BF1 playlist!
“I think it’s really cool” I think it’s wool and you’re in a dessert. Just saying.
Firing that pistol with one hand on the hip, like a true gentleman
Battlefield 1!
HYPE
+Stanley Marsh drugs are bad mkay...
The 2-gun matches your club puts on look to be major FUN, judging by this and prior videos.
Donald Trump hands, love it!
0:04 “How do you expect to slay the Hun with dust on your jump wings?!”
Always up for a good Band of Brothers reference. Gotta love Malarkey!
Anyone else notice the Donald Trump joke?
+Warren Rhinerson Yep. Trump is a short-fingered vulgarian.
Expect a wall around Arizona if he wins, the guy is awfully prickly about his hands/willie - executive order nr. M1CR0P3N15 x)
+Warren Rhinerson The sad thing is it's just rhetoric. The fact that you guys care so much about that is funny. I guess if you can't argue with his policy...
***** Wrong: feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy/
+AldanFerrox Did you even read it? "He voted in favor of requiring background checks to prevent firearms from getting into the hands of felons and the mentally ill, passing a federal ban on assault weapons, and closing loopholes which allows private sellers at gun shows and on the internet to sell to individuals without background checks."
awesome run! I love to see historical weapons at work!
Interesting seeing a left handed man use a right sided bolt action battle rifle. Way to handle that action!
I recently put a repro wide WW1 hammer spur on my SA GI .45 1911A1. Adds so much to that gun. Even the occasional hammer bite is part of the fun
You cycle that Enfield, left handed to boot, like a pro!!