Because the last time it happened to Liu Kang since the very first game, it led to disaster. Liu Kang was the very straightforward, sweet, great hearted champion of Earthrealm. And people call him bland (not helped that he has a non-murderous Fatality in the 1st game). This led him to be killed in Deadly Alliance, reinvented as an 'edgier', 'more suffering' version of himself in 9 and then an evil revenant in 10-11. They only got it right in 11 until now as the Fire God. But then, the fandom probably sees this as this is a coming for a new 'first game Liu Kang', just bearing Raiden's name and moveset... Bottom line, we should probably be more appreciative with sweet and great hearted ones instead of just looking at and praising the bad boys only.
@@ChrisX_212 He really got better when they leaned into things like his friendship with Kung Lao and mentor/father relationship with Raiden. Also the romantic relationship with Kitana, which is weird because they kept pulling them away. Its weird that Liu was seen as bland because he's literally superpowered Bruce Lee. The whole "Liu is bland" reminds me of what happened to Mega Man X, who was seen as a bland pacifist, while most people preferred Zero who was edgier and less restrained. Maverick Hunter X, The Irregular Report novel and MMZ series did well to show why X is important, why he fights, how he's not a "bland pacifist" but someone who desires peace but can be a warrior if need be - and what happens when you have an X who's not an actual pacifist. I think the Alternate timeline did well in refocusing on Liu. In both 9 and 11 we saw a Liu who would step to the plate against literally everyone to protect others, even Raiden. And in 1 we see how Liu is opposite to Kronika.
@@ChrisX_212 Exactly, we have romanticized bad people and "yas queen" b*tchiness and put down nice people because they're "boring" in real life too. I really don't like it looking back on it. Variation is what makes it good, I love mushy heroic good characters too since we don't see much of them anymore.
I read some things about Flat Arc characters and I think I got why people thought Liu was boring - because he's a Flat Arc character. Not a Flat Character, Flat Arc. Flat Arc characters have an inner truth, one which gets tested in their journey. Their nature is already "fixed", so they don't have a positive or negative arc (become better or worse). Rather, they become improve in skill and power, and change others around them. For example, Liu has a flat arc, his flat arc influences Kitana to enter a positive arc, and Kitana drags Jade along. Meanwhile, Shao Kahn has an evil flat arc. He makes everyone around him worse, and he will never change (barring a universal reboot like Liu did). My Megaman X comparison was also spot on, because X is also a flat arc character after Megaman X3.
raiden on his way to consult the elder gods about the big ass shit he took today (it could be dangerous if not dealt with correctly and he needs their guidance to know how to deal with it)
Despite all the talk about Raiden being too humble, I really love that it’s not to the point where he’s a doormat. He still knows how to establish respect when he sees that he’s not getting it.
I never hated Raiden. Dude was awesome to me since I found the franchise. This younger, kinder version feels like a breath air to the old man that was on a leash by the Elder Gods every 5 minutes.
I'd be lying if I said that I didn't miss the old raiden. Not only did he have the perfect voice actor but he just felt so much more fleshed out as a character since he'd had so much development.
Bro atleast give this raiden a chance to develop your comparing a fresh raiden with one game to a raiden that had 4+ games to get fleshed out have some patience
If being a good man that’s humble, modest and respectful results in people disliking you and hating you that just shows how terrible the world is. Never disliked or hated Raiden. I think this game has the best version of him and Liu Kang and they both are better characters and have differences between them with their roles swapped.
Wow.... so it turns out that even being the most happiest and friendliest man on Earthrealm gets you more enemies than you would if you were the complete opposite... that just shows you how much of a "kill or be killed" universe we and the characters of MK virtually live in.
I feel like it was cheating for Liu Kang to give Raiden the lightning amulet before the tournament, also that Raiden didn't have to train to master it didn't feel right. I would have liked his lightning to be something like Liu Kang's fire abilities in previous timelines, where it was a skill he mastered with years of training.
Didn't really feel like cheating imo. He was up against foes who are naturally stronger than he was before he was even born so he needed the edge. And he did train since he was a kid under Madam Bo. He definitely picked up the pace after he was recruited by Liu Kang. He earned that amulet by beating the other Earthrealm candidates. Honestly I feel like Raiden's skills and abilities from his past life/timeline never left, just in dormant. This seems to be alluded to in the scene in the tea house where he was surprised that he defeated the Lin Kuei jobbers.
What makes you think he “mastered” it? Even then, what makes you think that Liu Kang (the guy infused with the previous Raiden) didn’t help in training him with his powers in the week before the tournament?
i like to think that reason why liu kang gives him the amulet is to keep him in check because of what the powers did to him in previous timeline. *cough* dark raiden.
Im part of the party that thinks that Evil Raiden is actually Raiden Prime and we just happen to be in the timeline with good Raiden, but hes allways a step away
This is technically true since original timeline ended with Dark Raiden losing in a final stand against Shao Kahn at the end of Armageddon. His visions were sent to MK9-11's Raiden.
I love Raiden…in all of his forms. He’s always been my favorite MK character ALWAYS. I’m very much enjoying this new one too. Everyone is just mad he beat their favorite character. As if anyone in the cast ever stood a chance to him anyway 😎. My boy Raiden is damn near undefeated ⚡️
Raiden say he the goat in this game now Lui kang apprentice now . 😈😈😈 And he young now that makes him cooler a Lui Kang champion as older Raiden made Lui Kang the top dog back in 1992 💯💯💯
Actually crazy how they re-made raiden and still everyone hates him for whatever reason. He's actually a very polite guy. (Nrs just had to make god raiden, just like shao kahn into a dumb fool because reasons) Well, I guess newer gen-z mk fans just don't know anything apart from Mid Kang 😂
The problem with new Raiden is not that he's humble and respectful. Liu Kang was humble and respectful in previous games (except for X, but that game's plot is very bad) and he was one of the best characters. And comapring these two characters further (especially since they basically just exchanged roles) really shows that Raiden is very bleak in MK1. The old Liu Kang was a humble, respectful and somewhat wise Shaolin monk and had natural powers of wielding fire (even hinted that he's Onaga's distant relative in 11, but that's probably not canon). I don't remember much of Shaolin Monks, but in MK11 he acts more composed than Kung Lao and looks as a leader of the duo, stopping Kung Lao's impulsiveness where possible. The Fire God Liu Kang is an upgrade of him both in
I like the change. I liked mighty Raiden but he really did overstep boundaries a lot. I get that new Raiden is a complete 180 to that but *spoiler alert* his arcade ending explains why he's so passive and gives hints of how he might change in the future.
@@dopefury yeah, he did overstep boundaries sometimes, but that's even more reason to like him. Defying Elder Gods and challenging the Deadly Alliance to protect Earthrealm? What a bold move! Changing timeline to once again protect Earthrealm pissing off Kronika in the process? Nice! I know about the spoiler and I agree that it does make sense given the context. But for the player justifying his spineless doesn't change much. It's the same as with Liu Kang in X: logic "Well he's an asshole and get his ass handed to him by everyone because he is a revenant" doesn't change the fact that Liu Kang deserved better. Also, I'm not trying to persuade you (or anyone really) to change your mind, just having a conversaton here :)
Why does everyone dislike Raiden? He's super sweet, has a great heart and does what it takes to protect Earthrealm?
Because the last time it happened to Liu Kang since the very first game, it led to disaster. Liu Kang was the very straightforward, sweet, great hearted champion of Earthrealm. And people call him bland (not helped that he has a non-murderous Fatality in the 1st game). This led him to be killed in Deadly Alliance, reinvented as an 'edgier', 'more suffering' version of himself in 9 and then an evil revenant in 10-11. They only got it right in 11 until now as the Fire God. But then, the fandom probably sees this as this is a coming for a new 'first game Liu Kang', just bearing Raiden's name and moveset...
Bottom line, we should probably be more appreciative with sweet and great hearted ones instead of just looking at and praising the bad boys only.
@@ChrisX_212 He really got better when they leaned into things like his friendship with Kung Lao and mentor/father relationship with Raiden. Also the romantic relationship with Kitana, which is weird because they kept pulling them away.
Its weird that Liu was seen as bland because he's literally superpowered Bruce Lee.
The whole "Liu is bland" reminds me of what happened to Mega Man X, who was seen as a bland pacifist, while most people preferred Zero who was edgier and less restrained. Maverick Hunter X, The Irregular Report novel and MMZ series did well to show why X is important, why he fights, how he's not a "bland pacifist" but someone who desires peace but can be a warrior if need be - and what happens when you have an X who's not an actual pacifist.
I think the Alternate timeline did well in refocusing on Liu. In both 9 and 11 we saw a Liu who would step to the plate against literally everyone to protect others, even Raiden. And in 1 we see how Liu is opposite to Kronika.
@@ChrisX_212 Exactly, we have romanticized bad people and "yas queen" b*tchiness and put down nice people because they're "boring" in real life too. I really don't like it looking back on it.
Variation is what makes it good, I love mushy heroic good characters too since we don't see much of them anymore.
I read some things about Flat Arc characters and I think I got why people thought Liu was boring - because he's a Flat Arc character. Not a Flat Character, Flat Arc.
Flat Arc characters have an inner truth, one which gets tested in their journey. Their nature is already "fixed", so they don't have a positive or negative arc (become better or worse). Rather, they become improve in skill and power, and change others around them.
For example, Liu has a flat arc, his flat arc influences Kitana to enter a positive arc, and Kitana drags Jade along.
Meanwhile, Shao Kahn has an evil flat arc. He makes everyone around him worse, and he will never change (barring a universal reboot like Liu did).
My Megaman X comparison was also spot on, because X is also a flat arc character after Megaman X3.
There’s more people who actually have positive voice lines with him
At least he doesnt consult with the elder god every five minute this time
Right old raiden consulted the elder gods before every crap he took
When he stopped doing that, he became Dark Raiden.
*The amulet!!!!!*
Yes, not the Elder Gods but to Lui Kang
raiden on his way to consult the elder gods about the big ass shit he took today (it could be dangerous if not dealt with correctly and he needs their guidance to know how to deal with it)
Syzoth: "Fight me without your amulet."
Raiden: "Only if you stay in your human form."
Also Syzoth: turns into lizard and smacks him with his tail
Bro raiden is that one awkward kid in class that answers the teachers questions all the time 😂
Raiden’s teacher: *The Elder Gods*
He's that kid everyone thinks of after high school
It funny we live in such a cruel world we get annoyed when one is humble and respectfull all the time
Trauma projection is the Kombat we all face
Its his voice ig
People hate other people who have high values.
Despite all the talk about Raiden being too humble, I really love that it’s not to the point where he’s a doormat. He still knows how to establish respect when he sees that he’s not getting it.
All the Baby Raiden haters can be summed up with one phrase, "Mad Cuz Bad." Raiden be handing out L's left and right like it's candy
"Baby Raiden" 😂
Kidd Thunder
Syzoth: Fight me without your amulet
Raiden: Ok but you gotta stay in your human form
Syzoth: *_proceeds to morb into reptile_*
I feel like next on the list should be an "everyone hates Bi-Han" since there's no shortage of dialogue where characters get angry with him
Oh it's coming 👀 He has so many where characters mention him when he's off screen.
I never hated Raiden. Dude was awesome to me since I found the franchise. This younger, kinder version feels like a breath air to the old man that was on a leash by the Elder Gods every 5 minutes.
I just want to hug him tbh
Almost every single interaction with Raiden isn't even hate towards him tho
Young Raiden is the Best Big Brother you would wish for 😅
I'd be lying if I said that I didn't miss the old raiden. Not only did he have the perfect voice actor but he just felt so much more fleshed out as a character since he'd had so much development.
Bro atleast give this raiden a chance to develop your comparing a fresh raiden with one game to a raiden that had 4+ games to get fleshed out have some patience
This is his first game, the last raiden had 3 games and a couple spin-off movies and crossovers
I agree. OG Raiden must consult the Elder Gods.
@@2bdaqueen268 they still left out a whole arc in OG Raiden's story. It was not fair. Dark Raiden should have been the MK11 Villain.
Baraka: Since you didn't pull out the stacks there ain't no way in hell you getting any of my snacks
Raiden: "I Ain't Scared of You."
Havik: "You Will, If You See, What I Truly Can Do!"
If he truly does become playable.
Doom Link: I know how to disable your ability to heal and Immortality!
Havik: Ha I like to see you try.
Raiden’s reliance on his amulet and how many characters comment on it, is very telling.
Those eye movements and inflections just make these so much better.
If being a good man that’s humble, modest and respectful results in people disliking you and hating you that just shows how terrible the world is.
Never disliked or hated Raiden. I think this game has the best version of him and Liu Kang and they both are better characters and have differences between them with their roles swapped.
Exactly
Raiden >>>>>>>> any anime protagonist!
He's annoyingly polite
No polite guy could be annoying. After living for 27 years in a world of jerks and scumbags, I cannot say otherwise.
He is Liu Kang 2.0 in this timeline . Another character ruined
@@VolkovVelikan Says you and the MK 11 worshipper sleazebags hating the game before launch. There were only a couple characters ruined tbh.
@@VolkovVelikan Says that like the writing in these games were ever good.
@@diddlebop7481 mk9 and mk10 stories were pretty solid. Plus I’m not talking about the plot I’m talking about the characters big difference
The only "anger" I see is, “After tournament, salty af.”
"Your friend Raiden is INFURIATINGLY humble!"
"It IS annoying, isn't it?!"
My fave of these for actual reasons for beefing on Raiden
“Infuriatingly humble”
He’s too humble 💀💀💀
I never hated Raiden.
Same always liked him since deception
Me Too.
@@fatalwaffle1715I don’t really see why he gets a lot of hate especially since mk9 to 11
@@Max1mus449 I don't either.
@@Skybound808 that’s the writers fault tho
Half of these are some sweet clap backs from Raiden!
"YOUR SO CUTE IT MAKES ME ANGRYYYY" except it's "your so polite you make me want to kill myself"
This is perfect. The MK3 music makes it that much better. Thanks
Wow.... so it turns out that even being the most happiest and friendliest man on Earthrealm gets you more enemies than you would if you were the complete opposite... that just shows you how much of a "kill or be killed" universe we and the characters of MK virtually live in.
"Your friend Raiden is infuriatingly humble" lol
2:33 only if you stay in Human Form. *attacks in Reptile form*
Immediately
I feel like it was cheating for Liu Kang to give Raiden the lightning amulet before the tournament, also that Raiden didn't have to train to master it didn't feel right. I would have liked his lightning to be something like Liu Kang's fire abilities in previous timelines, where it was a skill he mastered with years of training.
Well about the cheating He did have to fight 7 guys. some of them in a row and having weapons. like Shao having his magic axe so not so much cheating
Wasn't it already stated that Outworlders also use magic and that the amulet is to even things up ?
Didn't really feel like cheating imo. He was up against foes who are naturally stronger than he was before he was even born so he needed the edge. And he did train since he was a kid under Madam Bo. He definitely picked up the pace after he was recruited by Liu Kang. He earned that amulet by beating the other Earthrealm candidates.
Honestly I feel like Raiden's skills and abilities from his past life/timeline never left, just in dormant. This seems to be alluded to in the scene in the tea house where he was surprised that he defeated the Lin Kuei jobbers.
What makes you think he “mastered” it? Even then, what makes you think that Liu Kang (the guy infused with the previous Raiden) didn’t help in training him with his powers in the week before the tournament?
i like to think that reason why liu kang gives him the amulet is to keep him in check because of what the powers did to him in previous timeline. *cough* dark raiden.
*Reads Titile.*
Me: TOTAL KAP.
I feel like Reptile requesting Raiden fight him without the amulet wasn’t hate but a test to see how he fairs
Raiden is still The Kombat King.
Raiden is one of my favourite characters right now, he was just ok for me in mk11, now I absolutely like him😊😊
Damn it, i was expecting shujinko to ask something obvious and Raiden just going "i'll explain later"😂😂😂😂😂
His basically the the balloon from gumball
Im part of the party that thinks that Evil Raiden is actually Raiden Prime and we just happen to be in the timeline with good Raiden, but hes allways a step away
This is technically true since original timeline ended with Dark Raiden losing in a final stand against Shao Kahn at the end of Armageddon. His visions were sent to MK9-11's Raiden.
Could this Raiden be the Kidd Thunder that Raiden summoned as a Friendship in previous timelines?
He's literally my favourite character in any video game
(somewhat light-hearted message)
(Angrily punches person away and does a little dance)
Melina does have a point when it comes to raiden.
Sindel’s nose gives her a beautiful side profile.
Lucky, Kung Lua you have a bladed hat and Kenshi had a sword.
Imagine Johnny and lightning shadow kicks and nut punches.
What about everyone LOVES Raiden???
Maybe one day. I was going to make a video of Raiden being Wrathful throughout the MK Universee
I love Raiden…in all of his forms. He’s always been my favorite MK character ALWAYS. I’m very much enjoying this new one too.
Everyone is just mad he beat their favorite character. As if anyone in the cast ever stood a chance to him anyway 😎. My boy Raiden is damn near undefeated ⚡️
Same, even though I found him hard to use in MKX and 11, he's the best story-wise
7:28 that slow-mo got me 💀
I feel like more of them were just casual conversations
There's a lot of that here, even with the so few villians in this game there's rarely any assertive banter even among the good guys.
Even the villains are good guys this time around. lol. If you've seen the MKX intros, people despise Raiden. I mean utter disdain.
I wish I were as polite as he is
Shang tsung and quan chi hates raiden because of his goody goody twoshoes
I don't know why but i always liked raiden, seriously can't understand the people who hates him
Haters hate Raiden how Lord Raiden changing the future since Mortal Kombat 9.
Raiden say he the goat in this game now Lui kang apprentice now . 😈😈😈 And he young now that makes him cooler a Lui Kang champion as older Raiden made Lui Kang the top dog back in 1992 💯💯💯
@4:44 the shade 🤭
Perfect comeback
Too humble need spice
*chorus*
Everybody HATTTESS RAIDDDD-DENNNN!!!!
*end harmonica*
1:37 and you're just a girl 🍷🗿💪
Actually crazy how they re-made raiden and still everyone hates him for whatever reason. He's actually a very polite guy. (Nrs just had to make god raiden, just like shao kahn into a dumb fool because reasons) Well, I guess newer gen-z mk fans just don't know anything apart from Mid Kang 😂
I think everyone is jealous because he is champion
Everybody huh? Weird, I didn't notice any intros with Raiden against Scorpion, Smoke, Liu Kang and Reptile.
It seems the only negative emotion the good guys have towards each other is slight envy, or just gentle jabs. It'd ruin the flow of the video.
He's polite a lot just like liu Kang
Correction: People HATING on Raiden
Play the right music with every dialogue. Now everybody hates you. Nice.
Gotta capture their personality :)
@@dopefury el manipulador frases
Kung Lao does have a fair point. Raiden being humble all the time is a bit annoying. I mean there is such a thing as being too humble.
How is it annoying?
@@fatalwaffle1715 it's annoying because it makes you seem too much of a goody two shoes and lacking personality.
@wolfhurricane897 Ok.
😊 more like everybody hates Chris
After playing online... starting to understand that hate
Yea that low string into Kameo is really annoying to deal with. lol. I still haven't found my main yet.
IM YOUR 1,000 like REMBER ME WHEN THIS HITS 10K
I bet Raidens Sister is the complete opposite of him just like bi Han and Scorpion were I hope his sister has an asswhole personality 🤣🤣
Clickbait. Most of these aren't "hateful" dialogues to Raiden.
He's Raiden, do you expect a flash mob? Liu Kang on the other hand 👀 people have some bones to pick with him
so much jealousy
He acts like superman😅
As a Mandarin learner, I hate him for how he pronounces Fengjian.
Not really tho :C
What kind of weapon does Tanya have?
A very impractical one.
Now seriously. It's a three- segment nunchucks that can solidify as a staff. Pretty cool, still impractical.
@@hectorhernandezaleman3836 that’s a nunchuck? WTH
I think they are Tonfa, but they've been linked together.
Dante got one of those too
A three section bo staff. Think large nunchuks but with one more section.
The problem with new Raiden is not that he's humble and respectful. Liu Kang was humble and respectful in previous games (except for X, but that game's plot is very bad) and he was one of the best characters. And comapring these two characters further (especially since they basically just exchanged roles) really shows that Raiden is very bleak in MK1.
The old Liu Kang was a humble, respectful and somewhat wise Shaolin monk and had natural powers of wielding fire (even hinted that he's Onaga's distant relative in 11, but that's probably not canon). I don't remember much of Shaolin Monks, but in MK11 he acts more composed than Kung Lao and looks as a leader of the duo, stopping Kung Lao's impulsiveness where possible. The Fire God Liu Kang is an upgrade of him both in
I like the change. I liked mighty Raiden but he really did overstep boundaries a lot. I get that new Raiden is a complete 180 to that but *spoiler alert* his arcade ending explains why he's so passive and gives hints of how he might change in the future.
@@dopefury yeah, he did overstep boundaries sometimes, but that's even more reason to like him. Defying Elder Gods and challenging the Deadly Alliance to protect Earthrealm? What a bold move! Changing timeline to once again protect Earthrealm pissing off Kronika in the process? Nice!
I know about the spoiler and I agree that it does make sense given the context. But for the player justifying his spineless doesn't change much. It's the same as with Liu Kang in X: logic "Well he's an asshole and get his ass handed to him by everyone because he is a revenant" doesn't change the fact that Liu Kang deserved better.
Also, I'm not trying to persuade you (or anyone really) to change your mind, just having a conversaton here :)
I love this Raiden
0:03 0:05
Kung Lao should’ve won
Have he trained harder, he would be the future champion.
I knew this was click bait
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Hi
Heya
Raiden is basically Liu Kang Rip off i hate it 😂
Wym rip off? Raiden has always been humble, since the OG series.
@@drakenbum7751 mk1 1992 raiden: was that supposed to be a joke
First !!!
nitara actually sounds pretty good here