Lanterne Rouge Podcast on Gravel Racing and Future of Pro Road Cycling
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- A HUGE special guest episode today, as we are joined by Patrick and Benji from pro cyclings GOAT podcast, @LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast
We chat about everything from the brands with the most to win and lose at this years too, gravel racing in the US and how they built their podcast from the ground up.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:27 Controversy At The Baby Giro
03:00 Brands With Most At Stake At TDF
10:30 Middle East Taking Over Cycling
20:12 US Gravel Scene
30:15 Cycling Industry Marketing Fail
43:13 Online vs Real World Success
50:13 Training Content On UA-cam
1:00:12 Experience Backlash
1:01:34 Benji's Twitter Success
1:07:14 Why Didn't Jesse Watch Netflix
1:18:16 Cycling Commentary
1:24:45 Pop Culture Education
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Good to see Jesse has finally started his iPhone repair workshop business
Non-Americans underestimate how dangerous and uncomfortable US roads are for cyclists in many regions of the country. Auto speeds are very high, vehicles are massive, and there is a greater chance of drivers having anti-cyclist and aggressive behavior. Gravel relieves these problems pretty well. The aesthetic of gravel fashion mirrors the nature/camping style popular with US suburban outdoor enthusiasts too.
Spot on. I normally ride in northern germany and once visited Seattle area and rode a bit with some friends and even for an outdoorsy state/area it was just a totally different feel on the road. Not always bad but a little intimidating for sure.
There's also so many service roads in the US that really lend themselves to gravel riding. Over here you most likely will encounter more of a 50/50 ratio with managed forests, gravel roads and single/doubletrack. Even just counting national parks that's already 7-8 times the area of our whole country for example. Quite mindblowing the amount of space there is for gravel riding.
That is true in urban areas but not so true in rural areas. I grew up in Northern Maine and road a thirty mile loop from town to town and saw a car maybe once every 45 minutes. I now live in the DC metro area which is quite different but am fortunate enough to live two miles from the WO&D bike trail. The only thing I have to worry about is the occasional deer or bunny rabbit running in front of me and an occasionally clueless pedestrian walking or jogging in the middle of the bike path.
definitely true in general that off-road avoids the obvious risk of being hit by a car - that applies everywhere. Off-road you can get to more unusual places and go exploring more... plus I find going off-road means you don't get hung up on your power/speed numbers like you can when riding on-road - cos let's face it the numbers are pretty irrelevant off-road
Similar in the uk
Was a pleasure being on the show with you two, lads! 💛
Lanterne Rouge was the first UA-cam bike channel I ever watched. Love that you are partnering with them today -- my two favorite podcasts.
LR is kicking it!
LR and Katie Kookaburra are the top 2 most successful cycling channels Ive helped coach up from day 1. Great to see their rapid rise!
Yes! Two favorite pods! Lanterns channel brought me here. I’m so glad you guys brought Patrick back so soon, nice to see Benji here too
Patrick is so hilarious, i think he is on the top of my list of people to have a beer with.
Yep, he has a very dry sense of humor and is obviously really intelligent, which is also helps.
This is the first episode where I thought, “holy cow, Benji has lost so much weight!”
👏Congrats on crushing the fitness journey
Losing weight is easy. Keeping it off long term is the hard part.
The GOATs of cycling youtube
harley aka durian rider is missing :D
I cant wait for the LRCP live shows during the Tour. I loved muting the normal commentators and syncing the audio with the LRCP for the stages you guys did during the Giro! The world needs more of that.
1:26:03 I just realized that I would watch / listen these fellas talk for hours even if the topic wasn't cycling. This bit is pure gold, I cried laughing. You all have great talent and definitely make my two favorite channels. Keep it up, boys 👍🏻
Around my area of the US, the gravel roads are free of cars, steeper longer and more difficult climbs, and bring you to more beautiful locales.
we have an outside velodrome in Rock Hill SC (well maintained!) that gets very few trackies. road racing is pretty dead. city also has a closed 1.1 mile crit circuit that gets local races, but not many USAC events. i think between 10-20 years ago cat 3-4-5 riders got fed up getting 10-15mile races for $30 or so, and basically subsidized pro-1-2. “screw this” said everyone.
Best commentator ever was on Norwegian television and his name is Johan Kaggestad. He commentated the Tour de France for 20 yrs, and we can thank him for making cycling popular in Norway. In the months ahead of the race, he read himself up on the cities and areas etc of the parcour to learn about the history and people living there, that it was listening to a storyteller. You learned so much. And of course he new everything about every rider in the race, about their family and where they lived. And the history of the Tour de France, where he told stories about legendary stages and riders.. Sadly he had to retire a couple of years ago due to illness. Alexander Kristoff payed him a tribute, for inspiring him as a cyclist and making cycling popular in Norway. Absolut legend commentator: Johan Kaggestad.
I like my gravel bike because it opens up more route options. It’s basically multi surface riding that allows me to avoid some busy sections of road
I’m a fan of these crossovers
Patrick and Benji are really are good voices in the cycling space as well as Chris and Jesse. Seeing this partnership is smart!
Benji you need to make a video on how to wash your bike. Another idea I have for a good video is where you clean your bike. And then maybe to follow it up you can make one about getting your bike nice and shiny. Get those GCN-level clicks!
You MUST bring Dylan Johnson!! Like you did with VC, ‘twas GREAT!
Dyland and Vegan Cyclist...come on mate pick some people whom I didnt inspire to get on youtube and start up channels hehe.
Benji and lantern rouge are the reason im nerding about bike racing so much! Nice to see them here!
I've always looked up to Chris when he was running his race team, but I couldn't muster up the patience to follow his vlogs back then. This format is much easier to follow regularly.
Finally, the Four Musketeers !! you four guys are my go to watches/listens when new content drops.
Two core appeals of gravel riding for myself and watching things like unbound. It's not a team sport. Pro cycling is a team sport and I love it. But I relate better to gravel because it's up to them. To get to the end, to eat , to fix the bike it's all on the rider. That's how most of us ride, so we relate to that. No team pulls or cars, that's not our world. As an older guy I see older guys doing it as well. The other appeal is nature. I'm happy with nature around me than cities. That said, 50% of my riding or more is city. I just wish it wasn't.
The crossover we all needed!
really good podcast, guys! I love your podcasts both but theres a bit more of a casual energy here that I really appreciate.
28:50 Gravel Salaries, $350k is what Colin Strickland was reported to be on before his Unbound win. There was all this chat about him riding for EF/Garmin for €20k.
Granted Colin was on the Red Bull sponsorship money.
I'm sure I saw somewhere it was 100-150k
@@matthewbenger8355 Maybe that was his take home pay. Possibly the $350k, I quoted, was the annual budget. I think I heard the $350k on TrainerRoad a good few weeks ago.
Perfect blend of knowledge and honesty about the subject and all from multiple views! Well done boys!!!
Love your show and tune in every week Chris & Jessie! Great Honest Content with interesting guest. Keep up the great work guys….👏🏻👍🏻
My go to weekly cycling podcast, love the diversity and content. Makes a ride a pleasure, thanks you.
Well done boys. “If you ain’t first, you’re last!”
Brilliant. Great to have Patrick and Benji on.
Great pod. Always nice to learn more about the in an outs of the business.
50:13 this section about content. What Benji and GCN realize, is there is always a new stream of dentists getting midlife crises and need new content. When they search the content and see something is 5 years old, they ignore it. Add to that, the algo itself has a terrible recency bias. Personally I think the best content should be what comes up, but alas, the algo will almost always push the newer stuff. So maybe Jesse should rethink his stance. Also Jessie can copy NorCal - couch to crit series, and train up a willing participant, I don't know we could call it, Getting Schumzy from Cat 5 to Elite.... Just an idea
watched the other LR talk yesterday night because it was so awesome. With Benji now too, this will be double awesome :)
My engagement with this podcast is through the roof, the only cycling pod that has me agreeing/arguing out loud with them in the car. Love LRCP too but they usually just end up costing me gambling money :D
A great insight into the mechanics of how, what, why and when of the sport/business of cycling.
This is the only hour long video I listen to. Idk what it is, but you guys are doing something right!
Enjoyed the chat. There's some good chemistry with you boys. Makes it very engaging. Looking forward to a repeat sometime in the future.
Self deprecation goes a long way fellas. That’s something that Tyler (VC) and Dylan both give their viewers. Sometimes, the only new material in Dylan’s video is him describing how he made an error in one area or another. And OMG, Tyler just lays himself bare with all of his misfortunes on those Impossible Route videos. It’s genuine and people really like that.
Well said, I find VC hard to watch sometime he is SO honest ... it's his charm that wins you over.
Always winning lads, loving both the Nero Show and these youtube / content creator videos. Keep it up!!!
You should really think about a pod series in this setup of 4, really good vibes and interesting different views on topics.
I could listen to you guys talk every day, great show
Haven’t watched yet, but so excited! Been an LR listener since 2021 season, found Nero because LR was on recently. Glad I found Nero. I have been listening through all the episodes during my daily rides!
Another cracking episode lads, way better use of LR's time compared to last time they were on the pod. Huge kudos from LR at ~38:18 and Love the 'hobby you two are doing for fun...' ~38:25
Excellent show crew! Always makes for a good WFH day
This was the best episode yet. Love the vibe between you guys! Also: I was a gravel-skeptic myself until I tried racing on gravel. It's just awesome, and nothing like mtb. I can't explain why, but it's most likely the combination of road-cycling speed with experiencing nature more, like it's still racing but kind of more relaxed and fun.
what team is patrik talking about at arround minute 60? The one where the cyclists lose their punch?
Brilliant chat with the 4 of
You.
12 months ago I didn’t rate gravel - since then I’ve owned 2 gravel bikes ! Fully invested in the lifetime GP and enjoy hitting the trails. Still a roadie but as a reformed MTBer the gravel is just the right amount of dirt . Keep it up lads
The Cycling Podcast is amazing sports journalism, you all could learn from them. Love all of you but respect where it is due.
Great episode guys.. !!
Thank you. LRCP is a great guest and got me to subscribe.
Really good collaboration, thanks!
Awesome content as always. Easily the two best cycling shows on the planet
Anyone else BAR UP listening to this or just me?? Most balanced cycling podcast if heard! Well done guys!
Bloody good pod chaps! Jesse looks like he did the podcast from a garage in the 80’s.
Nice vid guys, always enjoyable
Chris and Jesse, I feel like you guys need to plan a US trip. Hopefully you can collab in person with a few creators, time around it a big gravel event, like sea otter, and even crush an Alviso since as Jesse said "the field looks weak". I think it would be super interesting to get your takes on these events across the world.
Thanks for continuing the great work in the podcast, loved the collab with Patrick and Benji
You need to go back through Chris’s older videos!
This! ^
As others have said, I’m also really enjoying the partnerships you now have with other creators. Please continue doing what you’re doing and I hope that further success comes your way. Being honest with your opinions is so important and is one of the reasons I continue to watch. “Mainstream” media is becoming so boring and watered down, you are all bucking that trend and it’s great to see. Cheers 🍻
Fabio Jakobsen could not sprint for victory on the Champs Elysees in 2022 because of a dropped chain in the last right corner. Yet, no one thinks that Dura Ace Di2 2x12 is not race worthy or there is any problem with 2x drivetrains.
I really like to watch race vids like NorCal and Jasper Verkuijl. But maybe it's because I race myself and I find it motivating to watch the power and race tactics and I use it in my own racing (in Belgium as "Nieuweling" like U17). It's my first year racing and the field is really competitive (always top 20 and once top 10 out of an avarage of 80 riders but in the big races it is 120 riders) but I can keep up really easy but I ride the cheapest bike of the bunch( a ridley helium sl 2012or 2013) and I'm one of the only guys with no trainer. I do just rides when I feel like it. Usually I ride around 11 hours when I have school now it's less because of the exams but in the vacation I will ride again.
I enjoyed the Netflix show. I liked hearing from the riders and seeing more of what I already saw during the race. I'm just a fan of pro cycling so like to watch most any of these types of films. I regularly watch LR and now I'll watch Nero, too!
Legendary episode!
Yes! Love this!
I like this cycling pod extended universe
Ya'll jabbered on for 30 minutes longer than normal. Glad you did.
Great job again guys, you're killing it. Few observations:
1. Ayuso is going to be a real deal contender in the next 2-3 seasons, the guys a machine.
2. How big a flop do you think TdF unchained could have been if Pog, who wasn't in it, had won?
3. Jesse and Chris, get out there racing again and give us some day in the life stuff. But not walking across mud roads of Kansas.
Fantastic show
Love the podcast, I agree that people that are afraid to question tactics, however that is one that I love about Chris Horner, he calls out what he thinks are errors in tactics.
This is good on so many levels…. But honestly I think it’s good because you all come across as great people 👍
Thanks Chris
Great edition!
I remember when LR came to me for advice on how to start up a career as a youtuber back in 2017. We got his channel started up Norton Summit. I told him to quit his job as a lawyer and follow my advice. He did and look at him go now!!!
but the big question is ... who won up Norton Summit 😁
Great show once again
I love how Benji has learned English with Aussie slang
Now we just need him to learn phrases like "tell him he's dreaming'" 😂
Great show fellas. Can’t wait for LRCP stage recaps in a couple of weeks.
Good discussion about the financial side of being a content creator. I especially liked the discussion about creating in person content.
Jesse should become Benji’s coach to complete the circle.
Would have been great if we still had the team and Patrick could have been our DS .. that would be the FULL circle 😂
The Aussie commentary on the Australian Nats road race last year was very good, I recall a running gag about one rider with so much salt on him, he could supply chip shop takeway at the finish line! 🤣
HAHA!! yeh it's the best race of the year to watch IMO
I think the commentators hold back on critiquing the women's races because they are aware that it has lower viewership and they don't want to suggest that it is inferior or amateurish in any way. They are basically protecting interest in the sport.
I have a Van Rysel bike, but it is alu and not carbon. I love it to bits.
I listened to the Apple podcast. But gotta like and comment on the UA-cam video too
This was fantastic.
Great ep team 👏
Great ep guys
Benji's training journey videos are way more relatable and informative than Norcal Cycling 2. Norcal Cycling 2's videos are interesting for a different reason, it's just kind of fun to see someone with elite-level genetics crushing it. (I think it's a little disingenuous of Norcal Cycling to use EJ's content to sell his "couch to crit" training plan though, since it's marketed towards your average viewer but 99.9% of us wouldn't get anything close to the same gains and fitness as EJ even if we did the exact same training.)
A really important thing to consider about gravel's popularity in the USA is the safety element of it. Road riding in the US is extremely coastal and the infrastructure is not set up to train on the road safely. As such, the opportunity to get into gravel and to prioritize safety in the USA just is much higher than road riding--in both training and racing. It is an unfortunate reality, but it is the case. Another thing to consider is that gravel culture, *at the moment*, appears much more approachable. Road racing in North America seems very elitist and aggressive. It is not advertised as something you can enjoy and have a beer with friends afterwards. It has a very macho/hyper-masculine presentation here. Gravel is the opposite. It is advertised as a way to satisfy your taste for adventure, to have beer with friends afterwards, etc etc.
Safety. Approachability. The fact that anyone can enter a gravel race and still get something personal out of it even if they're not competing to win, since 99.99% of us can't. The road elitism. I mean, even in the media space who would you rather hang out with? VC seems like a cool dude. Jesse here oozes elitism and has a perpetual stick up his ass. On equipment: I can buy a gravel bike, even a gravel race bike, and its still useful for other things. I commute on the same bike I raced this spring. Its just better.
Thanks guys! Jessie, you need a warmer light. Your light is cold and corporeal. By comparison, it makes you look less healthy! Looks like the office from 'joe vrs the volcano'
Some perspective. I follow major tour and grand tour, and a big fan of the big name and team..I follow the LRCP and Chris Horner religiously after every stage..but I do enjoy the Netflix series, it makes me give more attention to smaller team like FDJ or AG2R instead of just focusing on Pog, Rog, Jonas, WVA etc
27:10 LR with hits the nail on the head. Road cyclists in the US got sick of being threatened by someone in a truck every 3rd ride. It's just easier to take it to trails, go a little slower, and ride that style instead.
I was lol'ing at the fly that would not leave Patrick alone
The attraction of gravel bike riding is it's a way to ride off-road and still go fast. The experience of riding a bike 20 mph vs 14 mph is enormous.
Thanks, good show
Glad you enjoyed it
Tour de France unchained should get Luke Rowe for flavour commentary.
Van Ryzel clothing is pretty good.
I'll echo what was said. Where I live in the US, there is zero road Fondo/racing scene. Gravel? Oh I got all sorts of choices all through the year! Long live gravel. I think it's a lot easier to organize in the rural areas where they take place.
32:00 was a direct shot at puck moonen HAHAHA
No cars is a big deal for gravel…challenging terrain…multiple races within a race…culturally it does fit with American heritage/psyche
Benji: I can't remember the last interesting cycling interview...
good pod
Nice!!🎉
What were Jumbo-Visma thinking indeed?!?!? My first thought when I saw those black jerseys 🙄 Unless there’s some fancy fabric tech that I don’t know about built into them that can help regulate temperature.
More of this guys
Random observation about cycling in Belgium an why it's so popular (maybe a bit of a chicken and egg story).
I live across an elementary school and since spring has started I see kids riding their bikes all the time. These are five year olds racing, avoiding obstacles, slaloming, .. during their school time :D
And because they need their bike, many will come to school by bike. And when they go to highschool, going by bike is just the obvious option. And our colleges are often in big historical cities so once again cycling is the obvious choice!
Just a thought because I get happy when I see these little ones racing their bikes :D
Edit: now they are actually learning to ride in a peloton. I'm dying!
the thing about gravel is that, yes it opens up more possibilities to many, ie adventures, new events, some from the road scene might get enticed, but some might not, the guys in Malaysia where im at, most of the guys riding gravel now, are those who rode fixed gear a decade ago, so not just the bike itself, but also the culture. the guys who are into performance, are not into gravel tho, they purely on the road, gravel here are for those who seek adventures. the only thing we lack here is wide gravel roads like the ones in the US. hence u can see events popping up like mushroom in US as that is what enticed them, riding area availabilities, municipal cooperations, and also big brands who are into organizing the events.
other factor for gravel scene here is bikepacking and bikecamping, but then there is still no one who wants to organize a ultra-bikepacking event over here. just some insight from the scene here. but road cycling still going on tho, but mostly the covid cyclists who are still active
I'm a Brit living in Antwerp and speak somewhat fluent Dutch and almost all sports podcasts/programmes here are solely focused on Belgians. If a Belgian is playing in a PL match you will know what breakfast he had. Evenepoel would have won the Giro with two fingers up his nose. It's all so myopic and reactionary. I secretly love it when Belgians fail because it forces the commentators to talk about something else. I guess that's part of living in a small country.
Cant complain advertisers dont call when you diminish the value of products that get advertised by influencers like you i.e now the BMC Teammachine is not cool because its a UA-cam bike! You guys said! Great shows in general!