Peaky Blinders S1 | Episode 3 - 4 (2013) |First Time Watching
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the show gets the language wrong. They're meant to be speaking Rokker, which is an English dialect of the Romani language. However, in seasons 1 and 2, they are actually speaking Romanian, which is a completely different language from Romani despite sounding similar. This is corrected in later seasons.
The tunnellers. During the 1st World War there was a tactic of tunnelling under the enemy positions, planting dynamite, then blowing them up. Both sides did it. The problem was that both sides knew the other side were doing it. So, they would send other tunnellers down to listen and to try and intercept the enemy. Which turned up the stress levels tenfold. Digging in the dark, trying to be quiet, listening for the enemy, expecting to be ambushed at any second. Then, if they were ambushed, there was no room in which to fight and defend themselves. Hand-to-hand fighting, very nasty.
Thanks for the info, sounds like hell
I don't think it was meant to be an offense. I completely understand your point but everyone knows the difference between Romanian people and "gypsies" who are nomadic. I mean apparently even saying gypsy is an offense to the Roma, no? It's possible that the original ideas was that they had at one point come from Romania and so of course would also speak Romanian. But in any case, by Season 3 they decided to make it more authentic, perhaps realizing it made no sense to speak Romanian, and they switched to Romani (I hope I got that right) or as close as they could come to the true "English" version of Roma people in the UK. Right or wrong, in Western culture we were told that there were a lot of "gypsy" living in Romania - that Romania was a friendly "host" country to the gypsy culture. But we do know that they are not actually Romanian people. I would highly, highly recommend continuing with the series even though you're disappointed with this aspect of the show.
Correct, gypsy is almost universally considered as a slur amongst Roma communities nowadays, and has been for decades. The writers absolutely didn't mean any offense by using Romanian in the show, though if they were trying to suggest they were from Romania then it would have better to use a more distinguishable form of Vlax Romani. But still, it's not as if it's necessarily wrong to have them speaking Romanian either, because almost all Roma are bilingual, as they also learn the native language of the country they settle in. The Romani language isn't a single language, it's hundreds of different dialects making up a bunch of languages that are individually distinctive enough to be classified as their own language. It's believed that it consisted of multiple different languages before the Roma even began migrating into Europe. Naturally, some of those are more conservative and in-line with the earliest examples of the language, whereas others (probably the majority of them) have developed to heavily integrate European linguistics/vocabulary. There are dialects of Vlax Romani specifically which contain massive amounts of Romanian words and phrases. That's not to say that they're the same language, but it makes the show choosing to use Romanian for simplicity's sake much more grounded in reality than people are making it out to be.
They've been in Europe for nearly a thousand years; the language has evolved massively. I have no idea why she was so heated when they had them speak in Romanian. I can only hope that she did so out of respect for the Romani culture, though there are plenty of people from Romania (and the rest of Europe) who would take offense for more malicious and race-related reasons. Roma have historically been painted as untrustworthy thieves, leading to them being one of the most persecuted groups in Europe to this day. They're still heavily ostracized, so many people take offense to even being identified as loosely associated with them.
She took justifiable offense because Romanians are not Romani. They are completely different peoples with far different origins and language. The show disrespected the Romanian people yet again which is typical of Western Europeans and US programing. @@eigerw
@@snappingbear Again, there are plenty of Romani living in Romania that speak Romanian as their primary day-to-day language, and there has been for hundreds of years. I'm well aware they're ethnically and culturally different from Romanians, and that their mother tongue has a completely different etymology. It's irrelevant, because the show never says they're speaking a form of Romani, and actual Romani is seldom used throughout the show. For all we know, at least in the context of the story, is that they chose to converse in Romanian because Tommy had more experience speaking it since both families are implied to have migrated from the same area in Romania.
There's absolutely nothing offensive about showing someone using the language of where their community is from, regardless of any negative historical misrepresentations of Romania in Western media that often incorrectly equates the Romani people to Romanians.
It's also important to remember the historical context in understanding why Romanians (or even Europeans in general to a wider extent) take umbrage with being associated to the Romani in anyway whatsoever. It's not from a place of perceived cultural neglect, but instead from one of ignorance and racism in regards to the Romani population, whom many view as being nothing but thieves and beggars. It's racism, plain and simple.
I'm not saying she's being racist by being offended from the association necessarily, in fact she could very well be coming from a place of respect. I'm just saying that if that's the case, then her response seemed massively unwarranted if all she had interpreted was that the show equated their population. She quite literally broke down to tears, only referred to the fact that she finds it offensive to Romanians (she makes no mention of how it's offensive to those whom are Romani, despite it arguably being more damaging to their culture than to Romanians) to be compared to "gypsies" (which again, is a well known slur for Romani), and questioned whether she even wanted to continue watching the show after watching a single scene in which two characters speak in a language which isn't even too far-fetched for them to be speaking given their families' history.
@@eigerw Plenty? Try to be more obscure. lol. They represent a tiny proportion of the population. They are also not Romanian and you're in no position to tell actual Romanians how they should feel about it. Also don't project your western cultural Marxist values on them either.
Additionally, the show was sloppy and disrespectful in that they confused Roma people with Irish travelers two completely different ethnicities and cultures with completely different origins. Tommy's so called gypsy heritage was from Irish travelers (aka White gypsies aka Pavees or Mincéirs people) who speak Shelta a language that has its origins as a mixture of Irish and English. The show runners were shamefully ignorant to have them speaking Romanian and implying they were Roma people.
@@snappingbear Yeah, I'm done talking to you after this response since you clearly haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. You don't have to be Romanian to have even a cursory understanding of the average Romanian's feelings towards Roma, you just have to open up a history book, and familiarize yourself with the current state of EU politics.
Have you ever considered why the Romani people "represent a tiny proportion of the population" in Romania? Could it be because only 80 or so years ago they were all either deported out of Romania, or sent to Nazi-administered concentration camps to be worked to death (along with 3/4ths of Europe's Romani population as a whole)? Maybe it also has something to do with the fact that nearly every single Romanian administration since Antonescu was deposed has been criticized for human rights violations against Roma.
They're one of the most maligned ethnic groups in Europe; it's a simple matter of fact that they're heavily discriminated against in Romania to this day. They're systematically segregated culturally through the repression of their music and language, and segregated physically through forced evictions, lack of equitable public housing, and the continued threat of persecution due to them clearly being disproportionately targeted by the Romanian police (who themselves have been heavily criticized internationally for gross human rights violations against Roma).
These aren't opinions, they're objective facts. You can easily find all of the supporting evidence you need if you actually bothered to do even an ounce of research. Saying "you're in no position to tell actual Romanians how they should feel about it" is utterly hilarious to me. You don't have to be from somewhere to be able to differentiate between right and wrong. Vilifying an entire ethnic group is wrong, it's as simple as that. That would be like saying that someone from outside Europe in the '30s and '40s has no right to criticize that Hitler chap, because for all you know he's justified in rounding up and killing all of Europe's Jews, Roma, gays, etc. You don't have to be Confucius to understand why it's wrong.
Meanwhile, you don't even realize that people like you are the problem. Sure, let's equate any system of belief that even remotely champions ethnic and cultural equability to "western Marxist" idealism, because that makes sense (coming from a staunch conservative). You have absolutely no idea what that means. If you think human rights is a partisan issue anywhere (regardless of how left-leaning political activists paint conservative views on immigration), you're an utter buffoon.
@BissFlix According to a Romanian writing on Quora, yes a mistake was made in series one (possibly someone typed Romanian into Google Translate instead of Romani) He says the error is corrected in Series two. So PLEASE keep watching. Honestly no offence was meant, it was a stupid mistake.
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In season 3 they fix the language the Gypsies/Roma are speaking by changing it to Romani.
Edit: Also 8 pounds was worth a lot more back then. Looking at historical exchange rates and an inflation calculator, it looks like that would be the equivalent of approx $640 (US) today.
1919 perception?
Flanders Fields battlegrounds are in Belgium, near the Yser river and the city of Ieper (Ypres)....not in France or the Netherlands
My grand-grand-father was seriously wounded there, the 10 November 1918, after 4 years in the combat zone.
Plz keep watching it 😶 they corrected the language in season 3.
The production team on Peakys should have picked up on the mistake. Your reaction was wonderful. 😊😊
they did after season 2
there was no mistake, Romani (also spelled “Romany”), an Indo-Aryan language spoken by the Romanichal Travellers in England as well as several other countries. the two are extremely similar Romani is a Romanian dialect
@@matthewcostello3530 Ugh I am so tired of your comment , watch this channel and educate yourself before spreding half truths . www.youtube.com/@florida.florian
You tell him Biss.
@@matthewcostello3530That is complete rubbish. The Roma people came from northern India and as such their language was originally a form of Hindustani that through time picked up Persian and Arab influences as well. It has no connection to Romanian which is a Latin language even if it's borrowed Romanian, Russian and English words. As Biss said pick up a book and try not to embarrass yourself further if possible.😢
Intention is everything, it was a mistake they corrected and obviously never meant to offend anyone.
I worked with a lot of Romanians in Boston on the "Big Dig", proud folks, good guys, they wouldn't even teach me Romanian cuss words, told me, "who would want to talk like that? If you learn Romanian, speak proper."
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5:23 *Dalton Mills* in *Keighley, Bradford.* Now largely destroyed by teenagers.
11:51 The *Winter Garden* room of *King's Hall and Winter Garden* in *Ilkley, Bradford.*
23:14 *Undercliffe Cemetery* in *Undercliffe, Bradford.*
Love your reaction as usual Miss Bisscute thanks for this one 👏👏
I believe the language issue was an honest mistake, but a big one at that it has to be said, especially since this is a BBC show so you'd think they'd pick up on that, someone majorly messed up. It's an issue that is rectified later in the show but in the earlier seasons they do unfortunately speak Romanian rather than Romani. I'd still recommend watching the show since it is brilliant but I get the anger
it was a BBC show that didn't have a big budget, in fact the BBC cancelled it, only for netflix to step in and pick up the tab. The BBC got to keep showing it in the UK, netflix got the worldwide rights. I think it's season 3 when the netflix cash starts rolling in.
Ask any Bookmaker, at, say, Epsom, his "interaction" or knowledge with Gypsies over the last 100+ years and you will hear the same theme. Only the names and faces change.:)
"Miraculously" they disappeared from the Race Meetings after it was impossible to have any confusion over which horse had been backed because the new system,for the first time, had the horse's name on the ticket issued after a bet was struck. 😀
Proddy is ahort for protestant . 🙂
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
in the US all the veteran groups still sell paper poppies on Nov 11
Hey Biss, love your reactions to this so far. I was sad to see you hurt from the language ordeal. My gf is Romanian so we kind of had this discussion while watching it as well. I have to tell my ignorant American friends that she isnt a gypsy because of the connotation that is sadly associated with Gypsies/Romanians. As others have said it was a mistake by the team working on it and it does get corrected to Romani for Season 3 on. I hope you can push passed it and continue to react but if you cant see it in your heart to do so we'd understand. Thanks for always being genuine.
the soldiers in the tunnel, were digging in the direction of the German's trenches, the most silently possible, so they could bring tons of explosives under it and detonate.
The Germans were doing the same at the same time. That is why they met sometimes and start to fight man to man.
whiskey from Ireland is called Irish. Whiskey from Scotland is called Scotch.
And Whisky
Romani (also spelled “Romany”), an Indo-Aryan language spoken by the Romanichal Travellers in England as well as several other countries.
Nearly every language from Europe to India is Indo-Aryan (hence the term). Way to narrow it down champ. 😂 The fact is Romani has its origins in Hindustani which isn't surprising given the Roma came from North India and immigrated to Eastern Europe (mainly Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, former Yugoslavia, Hungary, etc). Depending on the country they picked up some native words, but that doesn't make their language connected to Russian, Romanian, Hungarian, or Slovakian just because some of them resided in those countries. Also, prior to WW2 there were far fewer Roma people in western Europe than in the east.
Best series ever
Bless you
I'm from England and can only apologise for the show's mistake. They do correct it after season 2, but I hope that's not too late for you.
Wow. Biss is Team Tommy immediately. This is the kind of woman who will tolerate no Tommy slander
I love your passion in defence of your country.
The problem here is best described as lazy writing where Romani and Romanians have been falsely conflated. There are Romani people (Gypsies in shorthand) across Europe but they are not Romanian nor related to Romanians.
The writers needed a language that was not English and the easiest translation would have been into Romanian even though it is not correct. There might be a consolation in realising taht almost none of the audience would recognise your language as the one being spoken and most people would think first of Dracula and Transylvania when Romania is mentioned.
I think whoever wrote the script didn't understand that the Romanian language and Romanians have nothing to do with gypsys in the first 2 seasons. They correct it afterwards but the series is still great and you will enjoy it despite this mistake.
I have not watched the final season because Poly died in real life and has made me sad. Maybe after watching with you all i can.
"Proddy" (sp) is probably a slur referring to a protestant.
Romanian is not the only thing this show got wrong. As a Mexican, that sees how often US shows get Mexican and other Latin-american depictions wrong, I understand. It happens so much, I just let it be now
Thanks for watching
"don't fuck with the peaky blinders " enough said.
I don't know if you've played Elden Ring, but the Esme actress provides the voice for Ranni the Witch.
Oh That's a cool fact ! I did play Elden ring excited for the dlc
10 shillings at the time of this show would today be approximately 369 British pounds or $468 American. Enough for Grace to buy a pretty nice dress I guess.
Since you watched Band Of Brothers an Masters of the Air, I'd love to see you do a react to Generation Kill. It's a miniseries like band of brothers, following a recon marine unit during the '03 invasion into Iraq
it wasnt meant as disrespect. but in the uk there are romany gypsies. they speak a type of Romanian. mixed with other languages. so it is factually true to the time.. please dont take it as a jab at the romainian people but they were a real thing.
Biss, they did exactly what you said, they were meant to be speaking Roma but they got it totally wrong and used Romanian. What you really need to understand is that this is in NO way a slur, or attack, on the people of your country or its beautiful language but is rather a sign of the pathetic state of education in the UK today and the sheer ignorance of one of the show's researchers. When they realised they corrected it. Having spent quite some time in Romania I understand this is a VERY touchy subject for you but it would be a shame to give up on this show for this reason. They really meant no offense. Ai grijă de tine și o zi bună!
I hope u continue to watch this series because this was a honest mistake ..a great mistake would be stop to watch the series#peace
I think she’s stopped right? 😞
Stick with it Miss Biss, the upcoming episodes introduce Tom Hardy's character !
Ireland was neutral during WW1 and 2 like Switzerland, that's why all the Irish characters are looked down on for not serving
During WW1, Ireland was still part of Britain and plenty of Irish served in the war. Cambell spent the war in Northern Ireland suppressing the Irish Nationalists who were fighting for an independent Ireland. It was a nasty, dirty campaign with him having a very good chance of being kidnapped and tortured to death. But he did not serve in the army so he is looked down upon.
Proddy = protestant
Regarding your anger about the language issue, if the family hails from Rumania they would speak romaninan?
The issue is that they're not Romanian, they're Romani Gypsy. Whilst there are Roma in Romania they're not ethnically Romanian, they're a separate group. It's a pretty big mess up on the shows part especially because of the stereotypes surrounding Romanians and gypsies which Romanians are probably sick of hearing
@@PheonixT-ki8rx Go open a book
They are portraid as Romani yes? Well romani speak their own language . the mistake was made thinking they speak Romanian which is the language of my people , the romanians . You see now the issue?
@@BissFlix Well, travellers also tend to speak the language of the country they live in or were born in. I have several friends who are travellers and I'm not upset that they speak Swedish. I think that's what caught me offguard about your reaction. I read up on the issue and in the show it WAS a screw up from the producers that they later fixed. I'm sorry that it affected you so badly, but I can absolutely say that the show is worth watching :)
And while I have you on the line I have to say that I really enjoy your reactions, so keep up the good work :)
obviously the Romanians immigrated to England so don't take it personally they could have been Italians or Germans or Irish Gypsies come from all countries all countries have a nomadic population yes even America
Proddy I'm assuming is slang for protestant
It’s a surprisingly big mistake for this show to have made. I’m happy they corrected it in future seasons though.
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Oh?
@@BissFlix still sick? 🤒
In reality there were many Romani in England from the 17 century. Their dialect actually changed. This wasn't a slight to Romanians
The show has the Shelby's Irish gypsy on his father's side and Romany Gypsy on their mother's side. You're going to miss out on this show over something that isn't meant to be insulting.
Biss, I was hesitant to respond to you at first on the 'gypsy' comments as I can see how offended you were. I don't think that the intent was to paint that all gypsies are Romanian or all Romanian's are gypsies,. Everyone knows that most Romanians are vampires! (yes, that was a joke) I think that the choice to use the Romanian language was a bit stereotypical, but I don't think that 99.9 % of viewers would recognize the language or make that connection. In most Hollywood productions, gypsies are portrayed as a heavy woman with a red scarf on her head with gold earrings telling fortunes with a crystal ball. I think this series depicts something closer to historical realism, but I'm no expert, and after reading the series wiki it looks like they just created a believable back story.... "Peaky Blinders is a crime drama centred on a family of mixed Irish Traveller and Romani origins based in Birmingham,"
I think you should continue the series as it is very good and gets to the end of season six without the contrived 'soap opera' type drama that many series resort to to extend a popular show. It also appears that season six was the final season and the finally will be a full length feature film that is due out soon.
Ah well, you should see this from a german perspective. Our language is always getting used for the bad guys on a nazi level and they don't even bother to try speaking it good. The grammar and the pronunciation is most of the time pretty messed up to the point where we don't even recognize our own language. So for a show to use your language in a not demonizing way ... that's almost a fair I think.
Personally, I think it's silly to not watch a series because of a mistake like this. I'm Bulgarian and in most fictional media, we are portrayed as sex traffickers, illegal weapon merchants, thugs, thieves, etc. All Bulgarian yogurt in America is marketed as Greek yogurt even though it is not. It's important to respect your heritage and where you come from but I don't think anything is gained by not watching the rest of the show. If it makes it any better, Tommy Shelby never existed and from what I've read, Billy Kimber was the actual leader of the real Peaky Blinders so there's a lot historically wrong with this show but it's a fictional show and it's very good.
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Good for you for defending your nationality. It is something that is being lost in Western Europe and the countries that were founded by Europeans especially England. Former Eastern bloc countries seem to be the most resistant to globalization. I hope they never lose that.
..didn't realise being associated with 'gypsies' aka Romani./ travelers was so insulting.
Just laziness / clumsiness on the part of the show-runners I think, easier maybe than using actual dialect of Angloromani they would / still speak.
Ask any Bookmaker, at,say, Epsom, his "interaction" or knowledge with Gypsies over the last 100+ years and you will have the same theme. Only the names and faces change.:)
wow so many fu**in love it you truly express urself
Proddy would be short for Protestant. Most Irish were Catholics, especially the rebels but the loyalist Irish in the north were Protestant. He's assuming she's loyal to the Crown and therefore an enemy to the Irish republic he's fighting to establish.
Flanders is a region in France where a lot of fighting took place in WWI. As the poem goes...
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Tommy was not fighting for the Republic. The way he dealt with the guns and the IRA shows that.
It is very happy when I see that someone values his country and his language and considers it as his red line. Good for you girl
it says speaking Romani i dont see the disrespect myself but you regret not watching
they are speaking Romanian not Romani. there is a big difference
@@BissFlix ok sorry i said that but i read they made mistake that they fix it
Think it helps to be Romanian to understand @lg103, but trust me, Romanians are sick to death of the gypsy inference and it does bug the Hell out of them. The Romanians descend from the Dacians! :-)
UK has had a substantial Romanical population since the 16th century. So, its not a stereotype in this case. A lot of the "traveler" communities of England are, in fact, of Romani descent.
And your comment wants to say ? Romani does not mean ROMANIAN thats exactly want I am saying .
@@BissFlixInfuriating, but to be fair to the BBC they generally get these things right. However, the production company they commissioned obviously did some sloppy research.
Yeah you better not keep reacting to this series, it's not for everyone, there will be heavy topics later and if you can't handle a simple language mistake, maybe it will cause you irreversible emotional damage lol
Speaking of gypsies, it's not just a simple linguistic mistake, it's a serious insult of the lowest kind.
I don't care how gypsies choose to live, how low, that's their problem, but don't compare me to them.
And the fact that they invented a new name to have a clean image, because they turned the original one into an insult through their behavior, and with the new name they are trying to link their origin to the Romanian people, who have lived here since ancient times immemorial and to alter their origin by artificially trying to link it to ours.
Romany is based on Romanian you can't live in a country for generations without picking up much of the language...do you know what Tickna Mora O'Beng" means
is it that bad to be called gypsi?
would it be that bad to call you something that you are not ?
@@BissFlix/videos No-one here suggested that all Romanians are Gypsies. Romania has a uniquely close relationship with the Roma people: one they frankly ought to be ashamed of regarding the centuries of enslavement and more. The bulk of Roma diaspora now in Europe spent hundreds of years in Romania before finally leaving in the 19th century. It is entirely plausible therefore that Roma with geographical roots in Romania would still speak some of the Romanian language in the early 1900s; and doing so does not suggest that all Romainians are Gypsies.
This reaction from her is indicative of the contempt that Romanians still hold towards Roma. Romanians have entirely failed to come to terms with their disgraceful history in this aspect. I can't help but think less of her now.
@@BissFlix We British are called everything under the sun these days , ie racist's ,awful colonists , the true Roma gypsies originated from southern India many years ago , keep the good work up I like watching your UA-cam channel , your refreshing & fun
No offense but i'm genuinely curious, if they're nomads, wouldn't it make sense they speak the language they are living in? I mean, all apples are fruit but not all fruit are apples. All i'm saying is that they COULD be Romanian gypsies, but not all Romanian are gypsies.
I just feel like going by the reaction it's more like being disgusted getting linked to gypsies at all, like a pox, like just the thought of being associated with them is a grave and gross insult. And i wonder why.
Don`t cry, cutie, they don`t deserve your tears. Stupid people often don`t know how stupid they are
I just got to the end of your reaction. How can we make you smile ? 🫂