Electrification of the transportation system would require 3x the amount of silver 4x the amount of chromium and 10x the amount of copper currently being produced to upgrade the electrical system infrastructure and produce the cars. Society has never even doubled mining production of these metals over a 10 year period. When you say you still don’t believe it’s the future that’s because it’s not a future that is possible in your lifetime.
me neither. i really dont see how it could even prevail anytime soon, but maybe it would be more practical in the future. I mean, it's not like it's our first attempt at electrification. though it failed every time
In 1994, Hydro-Quebec developed an electric vehicle that was able to do near 1000 km per day without recharged, i have seen 2 Chrysler Intrepid that were equipped with this wheel/motor combination, the battery was the same as we have today in our car. They sold that {patent) to Tata motors in the late 1990. We never heard of that motor since then. We, people from Quebec, lost about 1 billion in this venture. I guess the big oil companies were not ready to stop fuel burning cars at that time.
They shouldn't be endangered to begin with. It's utterly ridiculous governments are banning the sale of new cars with internal combustion engine. Electric motors in cars can be pretty great, but the tech isn't ready and I don't see how we could ever replace all vehicles with electric. Also as stated above EVs aren't "green" anyways, but that's not why they're being forced on us to begin with.
Let's all wish Porsche, Stellantis, and Toyota good luck with successfully creating and making e-fuel marketable. If they can succeed, then ICE's won't be outlawed and people won't be forced to purchase EV's or convert their ICE's into one.
Lmao. We'll see if it actually changes anything. I've got a hunch these gov sponsored EV agendas are actually more about control than they are reducing emissions.
@@01trsmar Ford GM Prorche and stellantis are all jumping into the EV market cause they're superior in EVERY way now. range speed power durability lack of repairs (once the bugs of the first few gens are worked out like anything new) repair costs are far lower with far less parts and heat or vibrations required as well. by 2035 no one on this page will be able to deny ANYTHING i've said here.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver A binary solution may be an answer, at least for the near future. Electric technologies for passenger vehicles and e-fuels replacing fuels for trains, ships, aircraft and thousands of industrial applications. I don't want to see any new technology crushed, the way that electric vehicles were crushed by ICE engines at the beginning of automotive development.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver I can deny all of it yes we may be forced into ev's because the powers at be have money invested in them but they are a long way from being a good alternative for the majority of people at least in America. These cars will not be cheap as manufactures are cutting out third party repair which is usually the cheaper and superior option. As someone who work in the tech industry I can tell you battery's have their own set of problems, it being electric and filled with proprietary circuitry that will be costly. Unless you can charge that car as fast as I can fill my gas tank it will always be inferior. as demand jumps by enforced adoption so to will the price and the price of electricity. Also there will have to be a yearly road tax as right now gas tax pays for it. Hydrogen would be the better option or a mix of electric, hydrogen and possibly synthetic fuels .
Most definitely. An important factor a lot of people overlook is that some combination engine cars can last over 40 years while we see the current electric cars usually cap out at a decade. Not saying this will always be the case but when all these electric cars fail they will be scrapped and most of it wasted. Compare this to internal combustion where almost every part is "fixable" or easily replaceable to some degree.
There are no free co2 free alternative fuels. All fuels that allow combustion are different forms of hydro carbons( hydrogen surrounding carbon) which when added with air creates water and co2 and a byproduct.
Growing up doing things like leaving a 60w light on was forbidden but here we are charging kW's every night like it's the new norm and electricity is woke now 😂
The problem with electric cars and the while push towards them is that the whole electric infrastructure can't sustain itself now, and with the whole let's shut down nuclear, the grid is going to collapse
Seriously, we need nuclear power. Yeah, we've had some screw ups when we stand know what we were doing but electric as a whole used to be horrifyingly scary
@@notlogical4016 If the private sector would be allowed to produce that and the government could be told to stay out of the production, I'd be all for it. Anything non-military that the feds tackle is a failure.
@@paroxysm6437 the grid has problems even handling air conditioners in the summer, much less a fleet of evs which each can draw a whole degree of magnitude more power, sure it will be a "gradual" change but without more investment in real base line production like nuclear, it wont end well
I hope so! I cried when they ditched the Hemi and discontinued the Charger and Challenger. I have a 2021 5.7 V8 Hemi Challenger and was going to eventually get a Charger as a second car. I don’t want electric don’t care what California says.
And it's the cars that I would say don't deserve it. Take the Ferrari 812 Superfast. It has high carbon emissions, but there are less than a thousand of them in the world, not even being driven every day. On the other hand, the 2021 Corolla has lower carbon emissions, but there are more than a million of them in the world and are driven every single day. So, it's clear which cars needs to go green; the daily commuters.
People don’t realize there isn’t enough cobalt lithium etc to make all cars electric. The electricity would still come from burning coal and gas. It will wind up batteries going to energy plants to store renewable energy for when there isn’t enough available.
I really like the idea of e fuels. I’m not anti EV, but I don’t want to see traditional engines go away either. This may be a win win and we could have both EV’s and ICE vehicles where ppl could have their choice of which one they want to drive, all while cutting down on overall emissions.
@@homeimprovementsubaruguy2556 only 47 years of oil is left with current consumption, I think they need to refine the Enfield very perfectly so that they don't give any problem to old internal combustion engines and they also gotta find some way to make the process CHEAP
@@jackkatogh If we need such things on a commercial scale, I'd venture a guess that there won't exist much of a regulatory infrastructure. I almost welcome the EMP blast for that reason.
u are acting like any technology is affordable at first. it takes funding and investing to make it cheap, but once it is it becomes unstoppable. Evs were once economically unviable but elon musk pretty much singlehandedly funded them itno the mainstream@@Heist1000
I run e85 as a race gas alternative and it's nice because I feel less guilty about my hobby. Trav is out here doing the lords word spreading the word lol!! LONG LIVE I. C. E.
Ethanol is worse for smog which is why ethanol blends run 10% during the summer and 15% during the winter. Ethanol requires 40% more fuel to create the same amount of power making it not economically efficient. Ethanol is one of the biggest failures made in the automobile industry which is why Toyota stopped producing vehicles able to run on e85.
@@shawnaning101 breh I'm not claiming it to be the alt fuel of the future. You obviously can't ready e85 is way better for the environment than race gas. Race gas is lead based drops mic walks away... Amateur!
Don't ever feel guilty for living how you want. Elites hate that idea and are doing everything in their power to make your life miserable so they can feel superior.
the electric motor outperforms the combustion engine in everyway. more torque. more power, less parasitic loss, less moving parts, less friction, less heat. i could go on. battery tech.. is what makes EV cars less than optimal. but your crustly old ass needs an education. cause industrial applications use electric motors. and for good reason. Superior. Aircraft carriers have diesel engines. that charge battery banks. that power Electric motors. the combustion engines only real use is to generate electricity for the superior engine!
People are saying that epa emissions restrictions won't apply to cars if efuels become a thing. If that's true then we can have the bigger and better engines we all deserve. But i don't know. We need to wait and see.
Finally they are starting synthetic fuel. Porsche been invested and told their peers in the FIA about investing in the fuel. So fuckin glad they listened
i'm a car person, and i'd love to see everything electrified. specially bikes. i fucking hate the sound of cars outside all day. the noise pollution needs to go away.
@@GraveUypo How can you call yourself a car person but say you hate the sounds of cars and want everything to be electrified? that's literally ignoring the fundamental of tuning.. Sure, you can hate that people speed by like idiots but wanting them all away because of your experience with them is kinda self centered and childish.
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan yeah consumers want to drive cross country more than 250 miles at a time, and be able to fill up in 5 minutes or less, not wait 30-45 minutes to plug in their electric car... the infracstructure still needs major expansion for electric cars... Electricity plants still burn fossil fuels so it's their not really "carbon neutral". Carbon neutral gasoline automatically gives ICE vehicles the upper hand. Price is the big factor at the moment. With more adoption price will go down...
Doubtful! The laws of thermodynamics still apply and when applied it shows that e-fuel is just a slight of hand industry that is being developed to make money that's all. Same with, "green energy", "renewable energy", "carbon capture" and every other BS science lacking industry except fossil fuels. Watch the new shiny object in my hand while I hide the dirty truth in my other hand behind my back! Look up thermodynamics and study it carefully and really try to understand it. It will set us free!
I know lithium and cobalt aren’t the only problems with electric vehicles. There’s also a copper, nickel and other materials issue that’ll create demands higher than the current supply chains availability so mining will have to increase several times over. Not to mention the majority of these materials for EVs are coming from China which is a whole separate topic of issue.
I've got a 90's Dodge Ram the puts out roughly350 hp. Which is more than I need but still gets the job done. While doing research on all the new fuels and seeing how I can improve on MPG, I found that monthly maintenance and some extra toys under the hood have made my truck a cleaner version of its old self. It passes emulsions every year with flying colors. Now I'm all in for new tech here and there. But I think EV has a long way to go before it gets my approval. Synthetic gas is an option and cleaner, but you'll burn right through it faster than say normal petro. But knowing Dodge, they'll come out on top as always.
An important factor a lot of people overlook is that some combination engine cars can last over 40 years while we see the current electric cars usually cap out at a decade. Not saying this will always be the case but when all these electric cars fail they will be scrapped and most of it wasted. Compare this to internal combustion where almost every part is "fixable" or easily replaceable to some degree.
It's called planned obsolescence and car manufacturers have been doing it for many decades. Technically speaking an electric motor should outlast a combustion engine in mileage age by far. The problem with EVs is the current battery tech.
As I always say, electric cars ain't cars you can use because they're just like mobile phones. You throw 'em out the window every few years and get another. And that doesn't work anymore. I drive a 1964 Chevy C10 not only because I love classic american cars but because I know I can always rely on that old hag of a truck and that it'll never die out.
@@ATruckCampbell Exactly. That's another point, combustion engine cars *can* be fixed! EVs you can barely do any work on if you haven't studied mechatronics or whatever it's called. And it's hella expensive.
Why not both? Just don’t let other states ban the sale of new combustion vehicles, like california. I do think EVs have a place in the world. They’re surprisingly nice and they’ll only get better from here on with new technologies
This should’ve been a thing years ago. Corruption from oil companies have been holding the car industry behind for years. We also should have much better fuel economy by now as well.
On the trucking industry, Tesla isn’t the only one doing it. There is a company called Edison motors that isn’t building their own trucks, but instead he outfits old trucks with electric motors and all the other stuff in electric vehicles.
Edison motors based out of Canada is doing some cool stuff with EV semis, they currently have a working prototype and unlike "traditional" EV the Edison semi truck uses the old diesel motor as it's main charging source which allows fast charging and charging while on the move. They are doing some REALLY cool stuff
Their design is dumb. It’s a serial hybrid which is less efficient than just driving the wheels with the engine. The only reason trains do this is because it’s cheaper and easier than building a transmission.
This sounds great. I've always thought that electric vehicles where something ICE vehicles could live alongside with. We should not be forced to do so!
Did you happen to see our two productions last week about Elon and Tucker, we show 5 ways they have deceived us all with one interview with them both and then tuckers twitter commercial he just aired. BroFamily they both agree and even type it in closed captioned and in text subtitle edit within the video format quoting "we will break the humans real good, yes" and they both say yes and both of their channels have it subtitled twice I mean, what other sign do you need? Interesting thing here, Elon owns twitter and the satellites that operate all the other social infra structures. I wonder what will happen when Elon decides enough is enough and takes them all out and just allows twitter. how bad do you think they will squirm at having their own karma thrown back at them, will that not be iconic/ or will he just use twitter to monitor backdoor gov activity , idk. But the future is crazy and I have faith in God and no man. The show is crazy though, they will always do what they want, never have faith that the rich have our interests in mind, because that's just naïve .
Porsche was hoping to get price down to 10$/gal. Hopefully with economy's of scale it could come down to 4$/gal or less. But will take a long time and a lot of adoption.
Its gonna come down to supply and demand. Which is exactly why the same eco nutjobs will do everything in their power to choke the supply, to keep the prices up, regardless of how clean synthetic fuels will be. To them this has nothing to do with the environment. By now we have learned that these people are immeasurably evil, they hate ICE cars and cars in general, because of what cars represent. Cars represent the ultimate form of individuality, privacy, and autonomy. And the best way to take that away, is to force everybody into EVs. All kinds of propaganda articles will come out on how much safer self driving cars are, and how synthetic fuels are polluting the environment more than EVs.
It shouldn't take ANY adoption to bring it down. Adoption means higher prices as demand increases if they cannot sustain supply. If they can't get it down before adoption, they won't be able to keep it down after adoption.
I can already see the electric cars being slowed down and running into issues with every software update like the iPhones so you have to get a new one every 3-5 years
If manufacturers can get into the efuels game, they can make money off their customers every week instead of every 5 years. Customers get to make vroom sounds and not get stuck at charging stations. Everyone wins lol
I guess i'm glad the EV'S aren't looking too good now but even with synthetic fuels its still using a limited energy source for example what happens when that one element that's the key ingredient for synthetic fuels ends up becoming harder to find what then we have to continue to fight for an unlimited self-sufficient energy sources that we can put in our vehicles so we don't run into that problem
@shiftgood because EVs are more of a problem with consistency in distance. The more you charge your EV, the better of a chance the EVs develop range anxiety it's like having your gas tank shrink every time you go to the pump and me personally. EVs sound neutered. They dont make the loud sound like ICE do, which isn't fun to drive
@shiftgood one question I have, and this isn't just vehicles is if you think that transitioning to another limited energy source, which is lower quality, is a good thing it won't end wars and will cost the consumer more just for their vehicles and electronics to function
@@anticorporatists9959 Electricity isn't a limited energy source. And it would be a mistake to think that electric cars will always be powered by the same battery technology as they are today. This is just the first step of the evolution to get to an infinite and renewable form of transportation... but people like you seem to hate it. Its really bizzare.
@shiftgood well, people like you seem to believe that lithium ions are an element that creates an unlimited energy source, and since you're one of the people who work at Tesla, you're always gonna say that these vehicles are gonna have unlimited energy source just to sell your crappy EVs just to make money off them
The big advantage of e fuels and the hydrogen economy is that they become a sink for surplus energy on the power grid. We have a massive problem on the horizon with electric grid stability due to all the renewables generating excess power during the day. Making efuel and hydrogen is basically the same as having grid storage.
Alternative power sources are a necessity. The exact nature of those sources is very much up for grabs. EVs will depend on improved batteries. Nuclear will depend on waste disposal. Fossil, and yes synthetics as well, will depend on long term availability. They all have pollution issues of some sort. Every source of power and energy has an “Achilles heel”. It all depends on the cost of addressing the relevant “Achilles heel”.
In my country (Switzerland) e-fuels are already used in oldtimer racing. It costs 6 francs per liter, which would equate to 22 dollars per gallon. Which is ridiculous. Lets hope, prices will come down significantly. But the fuel itself seems to work fine.
The thing that physical fuel will forever have over electric is energy density, Engineering Explained did a great video showing the size of batteries needed to get the equivalent amount in fuel. You shouldn’t need to get a huge and heavy car just to be able to drive the same distance as a tiny little hatchback from the 00’s.
Another thought just came to mind: evs may not produce carbon pollution, but the excess carbon is still in the atmosphere. Sounds to me like this is better for the planet than evs
I’ve always felt that the jump from ICE to all electric is a mistake that skips steps. I watched a Ted talk from an environmentalist that flat out said there’s a lot of room to improve the ICE vehicles including increased efficiency, hybrid and alternative fuels. He made a very compelling argument, and verified my gut feeling in ways i hadn’t considered. I hope some alternative other then a direct transition to all electric makes it way to market soon because I fear a global regression is looming should we maintain our current course.
So I'm thinking that If you were to do this and were to have cars some pull Co2 out of the air you could take the exhaust have two filters, on the filters Co2 and the other that filters other gasses out of the exhaust fumes you could transfer the Co2 back into the engine while still letting the engine breathe
no because the car doesn't run on CO2 but on something that is made with CO2, so if you can put entires factories powered by something else than the engine (or else the engine won't have power for the car) and make it so you gain more energy than you use (wich is impossible according by Newton laws), that would indeed be good (not even thinking about weight and space)
I don't think New Coke was a mistake. It was the most brilliant publicity stunt in history. They pretended to make Coke just like Pepsi. Then they said Pepsi-ish Coke sucks and real Coke was better after all. And they got more attention than a billion dollars worth of advertising.
Two decades ago bmw built a number of prototypes made to use renewable energy and low emissions canon based vehicles. It was scrapped when they realized that to make the fuel to run these vehicles could not be done without using large amounts of carbon based energy to make the fuel. Wether the vehicle is electric or hybrid or something that uses fossil fuels that is converted it is almost entirely dependent on coal based power facilities to make or run them and these vehicles cannot be recycled in a clean efficient way when they are destroyed and replaced.
@@andersd8956 don’t forget the batteries and most of the electrical are made by child labor in areas of Africa that are the only place in the world with the highest amounts of cobalt and lithium. Recycling the vehicles means sending them to China to burn the precious metals out. Our country can’t destroy them as it kills the environment or even bury them in landfills after 100k when the battery fails or catches fire from age.
Synthetic fuels look really promising. I hope these E fuels are the true future for cars and not EVs. Electric isn't new. They have been around for 100 years and still can't even tow. Plus its good f1 has been looking at E fuels so the technology can trickle down to mainstream production cars.
F1 is also running hybrids now. F1 is also going to be lowering the power output of their combustion engines and increasing the power from the electric motors. Sure, F1 is moving to E-fuels. F1 is also moving more and more towards electric.
Was talking to a shop owner about Cars the other day and asked what he thinks about Electric cars. He said the people that buy big trucks and load them up dont realize the more weight you put on the vehicle the more it drains the battery so they are getting hardly any miles out of the work trucks. Nearly nothing can beat the power that petroleum can produce. Been a reason its so hard to replace. A alternative fuel could save us. Just look at Synthetic oil. I only use synthetic now. It last longer protects better can go further between changes. If synthetic fuel can do the same im on board 100%
I am hoping that we see more investment into hydrogen vehicles, it bridges the gap between electric and internal combustion in a way that I can work with. While there is more upfront energy cost, it requires less precious metals to be mined from the earth since the batteries can be smaller, and it takes about a minute more to fill up a hydrogen tank than it does for a gas tank. With this we can have a much more practical use of our renewable recourses and can make use of other energies like thorium reactors in the future.
I a researcher from Ukraine . My main occupation is related to alternative fuels applications in passenger vehicles . Since 2017 I am running my research program for DME (dimethyl ether) and we have very good results for DME introduction to the existing network of LPG consumers . Dme has a huge potential for making idea of decarbonised economies viable . It can be used as a fuel , it can be used as an energy storage, effector balancing the energy generation. DME is stored in LOG-propane tanks that means no mead to invest a lot in the infrastructure ….
actually, according to Porsche with further improvements synthetic fuels will burn more CO2 there by lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere over time
They should be partnering with F1 and combining their efforts. They can keep whatever proprietary; saving our finite resources in infinitely more important.
I've yet to see a gas station ripped out for a charging station. Adding a charging station is changing everything to make way for them. IF they get this cost efficient, continuing EV research for daily- maybe even long distance- driving use is still a smart thing to do because E-fuels (as described) cannot fix the damage CO2 emissions have already caused on their own. More options is not a bad idea when it comes to current transportation.
Porsche already has a synthetic fuel facility up and running. It's small scale as of now, but the fuel works! Although, expensive as of now, but as it develops further and further, it'll get cheaper.
If they made EVs to work like diesel trains you would get the best of both worlds. In other words, if they made them to run on a light weight battery pack until the pack becomes 90% depleted, then have a small engine, that is connected to a generator, kick in with enough power to run the cars electric systems AND slow charge the batteries, I think they would have a winner.
This is exactly my point in arguing a combined approach, E tech (Electric, hydrogen and fuel cell) are all in their Infancy, with a similar approach to petrol tech they can not only compete, but possibly surpass Oil tech. But till that happens, we still need petrol tech to supplement with the current and future E tech I disagree that Climate change is due to our technology, or at least our tech is not as bad as the Zealots say it is, but that is a discussion for another time
Look- if the government really cared about the enviroment and wanted to do something realistic they should just limit car engine size to no more than 1.2 litres. If we were all honest we would admit that no one really NEEDS to go more than 80 mph- and so with modern engine tech, a 1.2 litre engine can easily do 80 mph. Remember the Civic VX? It was a 1.2 litre right? It got like 60 mpg and that was in 1995. It would be better if we just made all cars very light, as simple as possible, easy to repair, and very basic without all the tech, plastic, and unnecessary "bells and whistles". I love old Japanese cars with tiny engines, with today's tech we could make tiny engine cars so much better, safer, and faster. Cars should be built to last too- like old Toyota truck
e-fuel is more expensive and less efficient than just putting an electric battery and motor in cars as you mentioned. I imagine most people would rather pay 15 cents per kWh instead of $10 a gallon, even if that means getting rid of their old combustion engine.
For all the economists out there, I wonder how much GDP we would lose over the switch to electric vehicles. I don't think AutoZone or NAPA would be able to keep up, let alone the independent repair shops. Also think about all the people making under $20,000 a year and cannot afford a $50,000 electric vehicle.
Ev's are not better for the environment... its so sad that people don't really research these things. They just buy what they hear as gospel and run with it...
E-fuel efficiency transforming electricity (renewable or not) to motive power with an engine turning the wheels is around 15% vs. 80% with a BEV. I don't think something that consumes 5 times the amount of electricity needed for moving a BEV is the brightest idea. E-fuels will exist on a very niche market, but no way it will spread to the masses. Sorry for breaking your dreams, the E-fuel physics don't add up.
It's so funny that people don't realise that e-fuel is basically an electric car with more steps and abyssmall efficiency. You run e-fuel, that's an electric car. And a very shitty one at that.
E-fuels can be tailored so that they don't contain many, or perhaps any of the non-carbon pollutants that naturally exist in most hydrocarbons. This makes extraction of the carbon from the exhaust easier and cheaper. Imagine having an easily removed carbon collection unit in your exhaust that gets replaced every so often, that you can trade back to the fuel companies for fuel credits? They wouldn't even have to spend so much removing it from the atmosphere.
Diesels have this in the form of a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). Unfortunately it costs many Diesel engines their longevity/reliability, and as such shouldn’t be employed on a gas engine.
just FYI from your vid graphics for electric generation, NO EMISSIONS come out of the cooling towers, those big plumes that come out of them are Pure water vapor. Its just annoying misunderstanding that keeps being perpetuated.
Not to mention every time one of those Evs get into an accident they spontaneously combust, because the battery casing has been exposed because it splits up and then when the fires put out the first time they reignite and burn for several more weeks if it doesn’t kill the occupants by burning them to a crisp first and yes, I know combustion engine cars have fuel tanks that can also catch on fire and explode burning the occupants to a crisp but if you look at recent actions that have happened, I will find that that is more popular among the EV cars over the combustion engine cars
EV fires are actually rare. They don't combust spontaneously every time one's in an accident. That's a bit of an exaggeration. Problem is, for that same reason (the rarity), every time there is an EV fire, it's automatically going to the news. There's not many of them on the road relatively speaking, so every fire caused by one is going to be talked about by everyone. You really can't say that about gas car fires; they're so common that you're not gonna hear about all of them all the time. Buuuuut, although gas cars have the potential of exploding in a fire, a fire coming from the batteries of an EV can be extremely nasty. Not only do they burn harder and for longer (meaning they're harder to extinguish), but the smoke they produce is toxic and very dangerous. Moral of the story: no matter the type of car you have, you DEFINITELY don't want it on fire.
@@Heist1000 Thermodynamics are a real thing! When factored in that 0.12 cents becomes exponentially higher! Also , When all the electric grid infrastructure is finally updated, which won't happen in our lifetime and may never because it's too vast, and every modern household in the world has at least a 75 amp service just to run your EV charging system besides the 200amp system to run the rest of your house. We will be demanding at least 75% more electricity on a daily basis than we do now...tell me how we are going to meet that demand when most of our electricity is produced with fossil fuel currently. And please don't tell me from wind and solar because you obviously don't understand thermodynamics if you do. That .12 cent is going to be closer to what we pay for a gallon of gas if not more! You are watching a massive global shell game, a three card monte and the elites and big government types are getting rich off of our collective ignorance. It's all a power play, pun intended and, you are being duped!
@@mntdshootrdoc1 yes thermodynamics are real thing! You clearly don't know what you're talking about and have a fistful of surface level level knowledge of topic. 1. An ICE motor barely reaches a paltry 28% thermo efficiency. The rest of the energy in a gallon of fuel is turned to waste heat, friction, and noise. While an EV operates at 95% power efficiency. 95 or 28? You tell me which is the better option? 2. There isn't a need to charge an EV off a 75amp service. Who told you this? I run a 40amp LiteOn IC3 that can intelligently adjust its draw down to as low as 32amps or ramp to 48 depending on load. I have a SPAN panel that can monitor whole house and grid load as well and adjust. 3. From where are you gathering the "75% increase in demand" figure? 4. As for demand production; over 20% of the power in the Eastern and Western Interconnects are from renewable sources. This % is increasing each year - supplemented further by increasing private production and helped even further by new infrastructure being LEED certified. 5. Demand capacity is not a problem for the grid or supply. Peak shaving is where the problem of supply comes into play.
I really hope we can figure out a way ti have both ICE and EV , to each there own imo but i deff want my ICE engine and the only way i even look at ev is were i seen a dude put a 250hp electric motor with 440 torque in a civic with a dogbox trans 5 speed ... that is were i kinda lift a eyebrow , when they were able to put it to a M/T that actually peacks my interest 😅 altho im still a ICE petrol head i could get with the EV thing if i can still drive it like i want to and bang gears nit like the just CVT style shizz (witch i hate a cvt aswell worst feeling ever in a transmission imo) anyways my rant is done lol peace n love yo all keep it rad stay safe and build on l8z peepz
There's no way this will be close to the cost/performance of gasoline.... It will cost much more until companies get away completely from drilling which won't be anytime soon unless forced to do so essentially forcing a new market (which wouldn't surprise me for overbearing governments to do this)
If plants can convert sunlight and carbon dioxide into growth then we should be able to scale similarly to produce synthetic fuel. There’s one other company you forgot to mention, and that company is named Prometheus, I might be wrong but I think they might be working with Chevron now as of recently to produce E fuels that are exempt from regulation due to clean burn …..
In Brazil, we use Flex cars that run on both gasoline and alcohol from sugar cane. A plant that absorbs CO² from the atmosphere and then turns it into fuel after industrial processes. Ethanol is cheaper and is used on a large scale.
As i was growing up in the 80s and 90s, i remember numerous documenteries on TV showing so many sources of alternatives to petrol. I remember Ford doing something with alcohol, it consumed 20% more fuel, but it was from corn or something else i can not remember exactly, but it showed something stupid like 80% less emission and more power and it was "growable". I also recall Toyota (or was it Nissan) also testing something similar with great real world results.....my point is, even back in the 80s and 90s alternative fuels (even synthetic) was already being tested and showing great results......what are we doing 50+ years later and no realy actual progress has been made? By that, i mean in 2023 driving into a petrol station and still the same shit from 50+ years ago....
Because Big Oil won't let that happen. Unless they get something out of it, they'll do everything they can to prevent new sources from taking over their control of our vehicles. And Big Oil got Big Money so you can bet they got Big Influence. But in today's day and age with the move away from oil by government and agencies, it explains why so many oil companies have teamed up with automakers to develop synthetic fuels....to maintain their control. Sounds evil and selfish but as you can see, the general public is still in favor of ICE and gasoline so they will continue to reign
6:11 Its not about infrastructure. The US consumer cannot stand the 3-4-5 and sometimes 24 HOUR charge times. US consumers demand 10-15 minute charge times, commensurate with refueling times at the gas pump.
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I just ran the numbers. A kwh of electricity could be used to drive an average EV 4-5 miles, or you could use it to make enough efuel to drive a 30mpg car about 0.4 miles. You throw away about 90% of the energy going through the e-fuel route than just charging a battery. There's a reason E-fuels are being pushed by fossil fuel companies. It's just another attempt to make hydrogen production a thing so that they can provide it for a few more decades. Right now, fossil fuels are the only viable source of the hydrogen you need to make the e-fuels, and that's going to be true for some time because switching to e-fuels will need 10x more renewables if you're going to make it green. ALternatively, you charge a fair value for truly-green e-fuels, probably $50-$100 a gallon. E-fuels will probably be a thing for long-haul aviation, marine applications, and a few ICE enthusiasts, but it's going to cost A LOT. Edit: I just thought to look up some numbers and do another calculation. If we're going to drive all our cars on E-fuels, we're going to need 8x as much electricity as the US currently makes and uses. Expect both your electric bill and gas prices to go up a lot. A lot of folks will have to choose between AC in the summer, or being able to drive to work.
A decent attempt but simply embracing the Hydrogen Combustion Engine would make things so much easier. That would be the way to go in my opinion. Toyota and Yamaha have already gotten started.
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan Toyota and Yamaha have already proven the success of the Hydrogen Combustion Engine. The powers that be would rather rape Mother Earth to produce Lithium Batteries and waste metric tons of energy to charge them. Oh well.
$40 a gallon than. Efuels are a joke imagine taking clean electricity instead of charging a battery wasting most of the energy converting it to fuel than putting it in a internal combustion engine so most that energy is lost to heat. Maybe we should install screen doors on submarines too
Even tho I hate the big corporations, this time only, for the sake of saving the turbos, superchargers, V8, and V12, I have to put my ego on the side and say: GO Stellantis!! GO Exxo!! GO Porsche!! (F>
I still don't believe battery-powered EV is the future, so it's always great to see more development of synthetic fuel.
Electrification of the transportation system would require 3x the amount of silver 4x the amount of chromium and 10x the amount of copper currently being produced to upgrade the electrical system infrastructure and produce the cars. Society has never even doubled mining production of these metals over a 10 year period. When you say you still don’t believe it’s the future that’s because it’s not a future that is possible in your lifetime.
Probably still is tho cuz these fuels like 40$ a gallon before shipping costs do probably like 80$ a gallon
me neither. i really dont see how it could even prevail anytime soon, but maybe it would be more practical in the future. I mean, it's not like it's our first attempt at electrification. though it failed every time
@@shawnaning101FACTS ☝🏻
In 1994, Hydro-Quebec developed an electric vehicle that was able to do near 1000 km per day without recharged, i have seen 2 Chrysler Intrepid that were equipped with this wheel/motor combination, the battery was the same as we have today in our car. They sold that {patent) to Tata motors in the late 1990. We never heard of that motor since then. We, people from Quebec, lost about 1 billion in this venture. I guess the big oil companies were not ready to stop fuel burning cars at that time.
I am for anything that keeps combustion engines alive.
Yes I agree 👍
Well you are in luck because ev’s are worse for the environment with all the lithium and cobalt they use
They shouldn't be endangered to begin with. It's utterly ridiculous governments are banning the sale of new cars with internal combustion engine. Electric motors in cars can be pretty great, but the tech isn't ready and I don't see how we could ever replace all vehicles with electric. Also as stated above EVs aren't "green" anyways, but that's not why they're being forced on us to begin with.
@@jamesstaggs4160 You have more sense than the entire leadership of the free world.
@@jamesstaggs4160 No, they're being forced because they're much easier to control.
Synthetic fuel has been around since the 80's. It was buried in history, in hopes we would forget about the 'artificial fuel cell'.
Way longer than that. The Germans were making e-fuels in ww2
Germans did it in ww2
@@Kl0rk01 The Germans used coal to make liquid fuels in WW2. Not exactly environmentally friendly.
@@Kl0rk01 was about to comment the same.
@@Kl0rk01 I believe what the germans did was turn brown coal into useable oil
Let's all wish Porsche, Stellantis, and Toyota good luck with successfully creating and making e-fuel marketable. If they can succeed, then ICE's won't be outlawed and people won't be forced to purchase EV's or convert their ICE's into one.
Lets hope other companies jump in like Ford,GM,Honda,Hyundai-Kia etc..
Lmao. We'll see if it actually changes anything. I've got a hunch these gov sponsored EV agendas are actually more about control than they are reducing emissions.
@@01trsmar Ford GM Prorche and stellantis are all jumping into the EV market cause they're superior in EVERY way now. range speed power durability lack of repairs (once the bugs of the first few gens are worked out like anything new) repair costs are far lower with far less parts and heat or vibrations required as well. by 2035 no one on this page will be able to deny ANYTHING i've said here.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver A binary solution may be an answer, at least for the near future. Electric technologies for passenger vehicles and e-fuels replacing fuels for trains, ships, aircraft and thousands of industrial applications. I don't want to see any new technology crushed, the way that electric vehicles were crushed by ICE engines at the beginning of automotive development.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver I can deny all of it yes we may be forced into ev's because the powers at be have money invested in them but they are a long way from being a good alternative for the majority of people at least in America. These cars will not be cheap as manufactures are cutting out third party repair which is usually the cheaper and superior option. As someone who work in the tech industry I can tell you battery's have their own set of problems, it being electric and filled with proprietary circuitry that will be costly. Unless you can charge that car as fast as I can fill my gas tank it will always be inferior. as demand jumps by enforced adoption so to will the price and the price of electricity. Also there will have to be a yearly road tax as right now gas tax pays for it. Hydrogen would be the better option or a mix of electric, hydrogen and possibly synthetic fuels .
Kudos to them for staying true to the roots of automotive engineering!
If the companies get it right, maybe the CO2 free alternative fuels will be greener than electric vehicles?
for sure
Most definitely. An important factor a lot of people overlook is that some combination engine cars can last over 40 years while we see the current electric cars usually cap out at a decade. Not saying this will always be the case but when all these electric cars fail they will be scrapped and most of it wasted. Compare this to internal combustion where almost every part is "fixable" or easily replaceable to some degree.
There are no free co2 free alternative fuels. All fuels that allow combustion are different forms of hydro carbons( hydrogen surrounding carbon) which when added with air creates water and co2 and a byproduct.
Greener than a car that destroys the Environment. Special rare elements have to be mined to get the the ingredients to make the Batteries.
@@2seep i mean there are hydrogen fuel cell cars
Are you telling me electric cars are essentially "rolling coal" ? 😂
Rolling Lithium, for real. For creating batteries. For running them, they are rolling coal
Batteries are not the way. Hydrogen is. Funny thing is. The tech has been avoided since 1965.
Yes
Growing up doing things like leaving a 60w light on was forbidden but here we are charging kW's every night like it's the new norm and electricity is woke now 😂
@@HarisridinatTN57 not anymore, sodium ions batterie is on instead of lithium
The problem with electric cars and the while push towards them is that the whole electric infrastructure can't sustain itself now, and with the whole let's shut down nuclear, the grid is going to collapse
Seriously, we need nuclear power. Yeah, we've had some screw ups when we stand know what we were doing but electric as a whole used to be horrifyingly scary
@@cameronspann7949 even with those screw ups there are less deaths per kwh than any other form of power excluding solar in believe.
@@notlogical4016 and solar is really resource intensive just to build a single panel
@@notlogical4016 If the private sector would be allowed to produce that and the government could be told to stay out of the production, I'd be all for it. Anything non-military that the feds tackle is a failure.
@@paroxysm6437 the grid has problems even handling air conditioners in the summer, much less a fleet of evs which each can draw a whole degree of magnitude more power, sure it will be a "gradual" change but without more investment in real base line production like nuclear, it wont end well
I hope so! I cried when they ditched the Hemi and discontinued the Charger and Challenger. I have a 2021 5.7 V8 Hemi Challenger and was going to eventually get a Charger as a second car. I don’t want electric don’t care what California says.
Same, I hate being in this state, like you really expect to ban gas cars by 2035?
I hope EV’s go up in flames.
@@Slay0lot They have their uses, such as a lawn mower or electric scooter/car for city center use. Anything outside that and it's still gas for me.
so?
U want a challenger and a charger at the same time?
I hope this really really works because it’s sad that we are loosing all this cars to electricity
And it's the cars that I would say don't deserve it. Take the Ferrari 812 Superfast. It has high carbon emissions, but there are less than a thousand of them in the world, not even being driven every day. On the other hand, the 2021 Corolla has lower carbon emissions, but there are more than a million of them in the world and are driven every single day. So, it's clear which cars needs to go green; the daily commuters.
The process starts with solar panels lol!
Blame politicians who are heavily invested in the green movement
@@richardbutton1179 realest statement
What’s funny is they probably said that about gas engines when cars were only electric
People don’t realize there isn’t enough cobalt lithium etc to make all cars electric. The electricity would still come from burning coal and gas. It will wind up batteries going to energy plants to store renewable energy for when there isn’t enough available.
Not to mention the elephant in the room: infrastructure.
Oh Yeah I forgot.... Natrium-Ion. Guess what Natrium is :).
How much fuel/energy to make each battery as well
I really like the idea of e fuels. I’m not anti EV, but I don’t want to see traditional engines go away either. This may be a win win and we could have both EV’s and ICE vehicles where ppl could have their choice of which one they want to drive, all while cutting down on overall emissions.
@@DarksideStreams I agree, they have to find a better way.
There are centuries with of oil under the ground. Why not use it?
@@homeimprovementsubaruguy2556 only 47 years of oil is left with current consumption, I think they need to refine the Enfield very perfectly so that they don't give any problem to old internal combustion engines and they also gotta find some way to make the process CHEAP
@@homeimprovementsubaruguy2556 don't know if synthetic fuel will work in bike as well
Does this mean I can go back to the days of simple carburated engines with no computer or emissions crap?
Still need a way to minimize NOx emissions, so the emissions crap will probably get much more intense if this becomes commercialized.
@@jackkatogh If we need such things on a commercial scale, I'd venture a guess that there won't exist much of a regulatory infrastructure. I almost welcome the EMP blast for that reason.
People have not been talking about synthetic fuels enough. The media is purposely ignoring it.
Because no one wants to pay $10 a gallon. It's not economically viable.
@@Heist1000 it will be 10$ a gallon initially. As the time passes and production grows it will be cheaper.
u are acting like any technology is affordable at first. it takes funding and investing to make it cheap, but once it is it becomes unstoppable. Evs were once economically unviable but elon musk pretty much singlehandedly funded them itno the mainstream@@Heist1000
I run e85 as a race gas alternative and it's nice because I feel less guilty about my hobby. Trav is out here doing the lords word spreading the word lol!! LONG LIVE I. C. E.
Ethanol is worse for smog which is why ethanol blends run 10% during the summer and 15% during the winter. Ethanol requires 40% more fuel to create the same amount of power making it not economically efficient. Ethanol is one of the biggest failures made in the automobile industry which is why Toyota stopped producing vehicles able to run on e85.
@@shawnaning101 breh I'm not claiming it to be the alt fuel of the future. You obviously can't ready e85 is way better for the environment than race gas. Race gas is lead based drops mic walks away... Amateur!
Don't ever feel guilty for living how you want. Elites hate that idea and are doing everything in their power to make your life miserable so they can feel superior.
I agree, "King Live I.C.E. and, H.I.C.E!!🙂👍🇺🇲🌟
I don't care what anyone says, EVs will NEVER be a replacement for a good old heart pumping V8 monster 💪😎
the electric motor outperforms the combustion engine in everyway. more torque. more power, less parasitic loss, less moving parts, less friction, less heat. i could go on. battery tech.. is what makes EV cars less than optimal. but your crustly old ass needs an education. cause industrial applications use electric motors. and for good reason. Superior. Aircraft carriers have diesel engines. that charge battery banks. that power Electric motors. the combustion engines only real use is to generate electricity for the superior engine!
Only 4 words if this synthetic fuel is the truth.
BRING BACK THE VIPER………………………………………………………WITH ITS V10!!!!!!!!!!!!
People are saying that epa emissions restrictions won't apply to cars if efuels become a thing. If that's true then we can have the bigger and better engines we all deserve. But i don't know. We need to wait and see.
Finally they are starting synthetic fuel. Porsche been invested and told their peers in the FIA about investing in the fuel. So fuckin glad they listened
As a car enthusiast, this is a W because it's hard to see a world with EV's all over the place..
Why?
@333plus333 i'm sure 150 years ago there were horse enthusiasts that couldn't see a world with cars all over the place. They soon did.
i'm a car person, and i'd love to see everything electrified. specially bikes. i fucking hate the sound of cars outside all day. the noise pollution needs to go away.
@@GraveUypo How can you call yourself a car person but say you hate the sounds of cars and want everything to be electrified? that's literally ignoring the fundamental of tuning.. Sure, you can hate that people speed by like idiots but wanting them all away because of your experience with them is kinda self centered and childish.
10.50 a Gallon, Sign You UP! Then latter 15.00 a gallon! At 12 miles a gallon not too bad for YOU!!!
Glad to see this video… I stumbled on this topic about a year ago and I’ve been telling everyone synthetic fuels could change everything
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan yeah consumers want to drive cross country more than 250 miles at a time, and be able to fill up in 5 minutes or less, not wait 30-45 minutes to plug in their electric car... the infracstructure still needs major expansion for electric cars... Electricity plants still burn fossil fuels so it's their not really "carbon neutral". Carbon neutral gasoline automatically gives ICE vehicles the upper hand. Price is the big factor at the moment. With more adoption price will go down...
Doubtful! The laws of thermodynamics still apply and when applied it shows that e-fuel is just a slight of hand industry that is being developed to make money that's all. Same with, "green energy", "renewable energy", "carbon capture" and every other BS science lacking industry except fossil fuels. Watch the new shiny object in my hand while I hide the dirty truth in my other hand behind my back! Look up thermodynamics and study it carefully and really try to understand it. It will set us free!
This is nothing more than a SHELL GAME!
Electricity comes from FOSSIL FUELS!
If you want to save gas vehicles restore vintage ones. Im saving old 2 strokes myself.
My 63 VW and 6v71 Detroit diesel are calling to me.
I know lithium and cobalt aren’t the only problems with electric vehicles. There’s also a copper, nickel and other materials issue that’ll create demands higher than the current supply chains availability so mining will have to increase several times over.
Not to mention the majority of these materials for EVs are coming from China which is a whole separate topic of issue.
If the ev is in an accident, it then becomes a hasmat issue and 9 out of 10 times the vehicle is deemed totaled.
Most of this material isn’t needed today in batteries
@@brianclayton3898 that’s not true
@@doddsalfa Sorry, but that’s not true.
@@doug3805 read the news
I've got a 90's Dodge Ram the puts out roughly350 hp. Which is more than I need but still gets the job done. While doing research on all the new fuels and seeing how I can improve on MPG, I found that monthly maintenance and some extra toys under the hood have made my truck a cleaner version of its old self. It passes emulsions every year with flying colors. Now I'm all in for new tech here and there. But I think EV has a long way to go before it gets my approval. Synthetic gas is an option and cleaner, but you'll burn right through it faster than say normal petro. But knowing Dodge, they'll come out on top as always.
An important factor a lot of people overlook is that some combination engine cars can last over 40 years while we see the current electric cars usually cap out at a decade. Not saying this will always be the case but when all these electric cars fail they will be scrapped and most of it wasted. Compare this to internal combustion where almost every part is "fixable" or easily replaceable to some degree.
It's called planned obsolescence and car manufacturers have been doing it for many decades. Technically speaking an electric motor should outlast a combustion engine in mileage age by far. The problem with EVs is the current battery tech.
As I always say, electric cars ain't cars you can use because they're just like mobile phones. You throw 'em out the window every few years and get another. And that doesn't work anymore. I drive a 1964 Chevy C10 not only because I love classic american cars but because I know I can always rely on that old hag of a truck and that it'll never die out.
@@phil955 And if it does, you can more than likely fix it with a simple set of tools.
@@ATruckCampbell Exactly. That's another point, combustion engine cars *can* be fixed! EVs you can barely do any work on if you haven't studied mechatronics or whatever it's called. And it's hella expensive.
Why not both? Just don’t let other states ban the sale of new combustion vehicles, like california. I do think EVs have a place in the world. They’re surprisingly nice and they’ll only get better from here on with new technologies
The whole point is to give customers options
There also should of be regulations on battery size to help up the tech
This should’ve been a thing years ago. Corruption from oil companies have been holding the car industry behind for years. We also should have much better fuel economy by now as well.
On the trucking industry, Tesla isn’t the only one doing it. There is a company called Edison motors that isn’t building their own trucks, but instead he outfits old trucks with electric motors and all the other stuff in electric vehicles.
Mercedes and Freightliner has an electric semi too.
Edison motors based out of Canada is doing some cool stuff with EV semis, they currently have a working prototype and unlike "traditional" EV the Edison semi truck uses the old diesel motor as it's main charging source which allows fast charging and charging while on the move. They are doing some REALLY cool stuff
That sounds like a diesel truck with extra steps. But then again maybe the torque will be super impressive.
@@christcarscountry6870 diesel-electric is actually the single most efficient hybrid technology combination.
Is that the blue logging truck?
@@slappyclappy7781 yup
Their design is dumb. It’s a serial hybrid which is less efficient than just driving the wheels with the engine. The only reason trains do this is because it’s cheaper and easier than building a transmission.
I’m 100% on board with synthetic fuels and hybridization.
This sounds great. I've always thought that electric vehicles where something ICE vehicles could live alongside with. We should not be forced to do so!
No one is forcing you. 95% of vehicles in production are internal combustion.
as long as it makes the same growl like it did with pure gasoline I'll buy.
Selective enforcement? Never seen that before, always walking around and sitting with my eyes and mind closed.
Did you happen to see our two productions last week about Elon and Tucker, we show 5 ways they have deceived us all with one interview with them both and then tuckers twitter commercial he just aired. BroFamily they both agree and even type it in closed captioned and in text subtitle edit within the video format quoting "we will break the humans real good, yes" and they both say yes and both of their channels have it subtitled twice I mean, what other sign do you need? Interesting thing here, Elon owns twitter and the satellites that operate all the other social infra structures. I wonder what will happen when Elon decides enough is enough and takes them all out and just allows twitter. how bad do you think they will squirm at having their own karma thrown back at them, will that not be iconic/ or will he just use twitter to monitor backdoor gov activity , idk. But the future is crazy and I have faith in God and no man. The show is crazy though, they will always do what they want, never have faith that the rich have our interests in mind, because that's just naïve .
Porsche was hoping to get price down to 10$/gal. Hopefully with economy's of scale it could come down to 4$/gal or less. But will take a long time and a lot of adoption.
Its gonna come down to supply and demand. Which is exactly why the same eco nutjobs will do everything in their power to choke the supply, to keep the prices up, regardless of how clean synthetic fuels will be.
To them this has nothing to do with the environment. By now we have learned that these people are immeasurably evil, they hate ICE cars and cars in general, because of what cars represent.
Cars represent the ultimate form of individuality, privacy, and autonomy. And the best way to take that away, is to force everybody into EVs.
All kinds of propaganda articles will come out on how much safer self driving cars are, and how synthetic fuels are polluting the environment more than EVs.
It shouldn't take ANY adoption to bring it down. Adoption means higher prices as demand increases if they cannot sustain supply. If they can't get it down before adoption, they won't be able to keep it down after adoption.
I can already see the electric cars being slowed down and running into issues with every software update like the iPhones so you have to get a new one every 3-5 years
If manufacturers can get into the efuels game, they can make money off their customers every week instead of every 5 years. Customers get to make vroom sounds and not get stuck at charging stations. Everyone wins lol
There's nothing wrong with using E85 fuel either which is made from corn.
I guess i'm glad the EV'S aren't looking too good now but even with synthetic fuels its still using a limited energy source for example what happens when that one element that's the key ingredient for synthetic fuels ends up becoming harder to find what then we have to continue to fight for an unlimited self-sufficient energy sources that we can put in our vehicles so we don't run into that problem
Why would you be glad EVs are not doing well?
@shiftgood because EVs are more of a problem with consistency in distance. The more you charge your EV, the better of a chance the EVs develop range anxiety it's like having your gas tank shrink every time you go to the pump and me personally. EVs sound neutered. They dont make the loud sound like ICE do, which isn't fun to drive
@shiftgood one question I have, and this isn't just vehicles is if you think that transitioning to another limited energy source, which is lower quality, is a good thing it won't end wars and will cost the consumer more just for their vehicles and electronics to function
@@anticorporatists9959 Electricity isn't a limited energy source. And it would be a mistake to think that electric cars will always be powered by the same battery technology as they are today. This is just the first step of the evolution to get to an infinite and renewable form of transportation... but people like you seem to hate it. Its really bizzare.
@shiftgood well, people like you seem to believe that lithium ions are an element that creates an unlimited energy source, and since you're one of the people who work at Tesla, you're always gonna say that these vehicles are gonna have unlimited energy source just to sell your crappy EVs just to make money off them
The big advantage of e fuels and the hydrogen economy is that they become a sink for surplus energy on the power grid. We have a massive problem on the horizon with electric grid stability due to all the renewables generating excess power during the day. Making efuel and hydrogen is basically the same as having grid storage.
Alternative power sources are a necessity. The exact nature of those sources is very much up for grabs. EVs will depend on improved batteries. Nuclear will depend on waste disposal. Fossil, and yes synthetics as well, will depend on long term availability. They all have pollution issues of some sort. Every source of power and energy has an “Achilles heel”. It all depends on the cost of addressing the relevant “Achilles heel”.
In my country (Switzerland) e-fuels are already used in oldtimer racing. It costs 6 francs per liter, which would equate to 22 dollars per gallon. Which is ridiculous.
Lets hope, prices will come down significantly.
But the fuel itself seems to work fine.
$22 a gallon is the price of a gallon of race fuel. Look up the price of VP 12. So it's not surprising
The thing that physical fuel will forever have over electric is energy density, Engineering Explained did a great video showing the size of batteries needed to get the equivalent amount in fuel.
You shouldn’t need to get a huge and heavy car just to be able to drive the same distance as a tiny little hatchback from the 00’s.
everyones buying 4-5000lb suvs nowadays anyhow
Another thought just came to mind: evs may not produce carbon pollution, but the excess carbon is still in the atmosphere. Sounds to me like this is better for the planet than evs
I’ve always felt that the jump from ICE to all electric is a mistake that skips steps. I watched a Ted talk from an environmentalist that flat out said there’s a lot of room to improve the ICE vehicles including increased efficiency, hybrid and alternative fuels. He made a very compelling argument, and verified my gut feeling in ways i hadn’t considered. I hope some alternative other then a direct transition to all electric makes it way to market soon because I fear a global regression is looming should we maintain our current course.
All I run in my hellcat is e85! Nothing beats it!
So I'm thinking that If you were to do this and were to have cars some pull Co2 out of the air you could take the exhaust have two filters, on the filters Co2 and the other that filters other gasses out of the exhaust fumes you could transfer the Co2 back into the engine while still letting the engine breathe
no because the car doesn't run on CO2 but on something that is made with CO2, so if you can put entires factories powered by something else than the engine (or else the engine won't have power for the car) and make it so you gain more energy than you use (wich is impossible according by Newton laws), that would indeed be good (not even thinking about weight and space)
But what will the trees eat?
@@C0Y0TE3 our bodies produce CO2 when we breathe. It's basic knowledge
I don't know about that. Dodge has pledged to go electric
I don't think New Coke was a mistake. It was the most brilliant publicity stunt in history. They pretended to make Coke just like Pepsi. Then they said Pepsi-ish Coke sucks and real Coke was better after all. And they got more attention than a billion dollars worth of advertising.
I feel like this eco friendly fuel could’ve been used MANY years ago
Right
It has. Synthetic fuel is Second World War technology. They are just commercializing it now.
Two decades ago bmw built a number of prototypes made to use renewable energy and low emissions canon based vehicles. It was scrapped when they realized that to make the fuel to run these vehicles could not be done without using large amounts of carbon based energy to make the fuel. Wether the vehicle is electric or hybrid or something that uses fossil fuels that is converted it is almost entirely dependent on coal based power facilities to make or run them and these vehicles cannot be recycled in a clean efficient way when they are destroyed and replaced.
@@andersd8956 don’t forget the batteries and most of the electrical are made by child labor in areas of Africa that are the only place in the world with the highest amounts of cobalt and lithium. Recycling the vehicles means sending them to China to burn the precious metals out. Our country can’t destroy them as it kills the environment or even bury them in landfills after 100k when the battery fails or catches fire from age.
Synthetic fuels look really promising. I hope these E fuels are the true future for cars and not EVs. Electric isn't new. They have been around for 100 years and still can't even tow. Plus its good f1 has been looking at E fuels so the technology can trickle down to mainstream production cars.
F1 is also running hybrids now. F1 is also going to be lowering the power output of their combustion engines and increasing the power from the electric motors. Sure, F1 is moving to E-fuels. F1 is also moving more and more towards electric.
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan Just where does it cost $10 a gallon?
You guys & this channel are the best! 🤜🤛
Hybrid cars are the future, not full electric.
Was talking to a shop owner about Cars the other day and asked what he thinks about Electric cars. He said the people that buy big trucks and load them up dont realize the more weight you put on the vehicle the more it drains the battery so they are getting hardly any miles out of the work trucks. Nearly nothing can beat the power that petroleum can produce. Been a reason its so hard to replace. A alternative fuel could save us. Just look at Synthetic oil. I only use synthetic now. It last longer protects better can go further between changes. If synthetic fuel can do the same im on board 100%
I am hoping that we see more investment into hydrogen vehicles, it bridges the gap between electric and internal combustion in a way that I can work with. While there is more upfront energy cost, it requires less precious metals to be mined from the earth since the batteries can be smaller, and it takes about a minute more to fill up a hydrogen tank than it does for a gas tank. With this we can have a much more practical use of our renewable recourses and can make use of other energies like thorium reactors in the future.
Same there should be plenty of options for us available to choose from no one wants a full ev
Dunno, this net 0 emissions sounds like propaganda to me.
Synthetic fuels will just cost 2 or 3 times as much
Finally someone said it.
So what!? You get what you pay for!!🤪
@@christopherscuorzo3044 You, most likely, will not be able to pay for it.
Hopefully, when it gets improved upon and perfected, the increased supply will bring down the price of it. *
@Christopher Scuorzo "you get what you pay for"
I a researcher from Ukraine . My main occupation is related to alternative fuels applications in passenger vehicles . Since 2017 I am running my research program for DME (dimethyl ether) and we have very good results for DME introduction to the existing network of LPG consumers . Dme has a huge potential for making idea of decarbonised economies viable . It can be used as a fuel , it can be used as an energy storage, effector balancing the energy generation. DME is stored in LOG-propane tanks that means no mead to invest a lot in the infrastructure ….
So cool. I hope we keep our gas cars
actually, according to Porsche with further improvements synthetic fuels will burn more CO2 there by lowering the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere over time
They should be partnering with F1 and combining their efforts. They can keep whatever proprietary; saving our finite resources in infinitely more important.
Rules to follow #1 KISS Theory "KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID"
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I have no idea why there isn't more research into this over changing literally everything to make way for EV..
Because radical librals and socialists don't care enough and/or aren't smart enough to understand ideas outside of what they already believe to know
I've yet to see a gas station ripped out for a charging station. Adding a charging station is changing everything to make way for them.
IF they get this cost efficient, continuing EV research for daily- maybe even long distance- driving use is still a smart thing to do because E-fuels (as described) cannot fix the damage CO2 emissions have already caused on their own.
More options is not a bad idea when it comes to current transportation.
Porsche already has a synthetic fuel facility up and running. It's small scale as of now, but the fuel works! Although, expensive as of now, but as it develops further and further, it'll get cheaper.
I think the business model that produces the most profits will be used in the future
If they made EVs to work like diesel trains you would get the best of both worlds.
In other words, if they made them to run on a light weight battery pack until the pack becomes 90% depleted, then have a small engine, that is connected to a generator, kick in with enough power to run the cars electric systems AND slow charge the batteries, I think they would have a winner.
They won't do that because it makes to much since.
Yeah, I don't understand why hybrid vehicles aren't talked about more. This seems like the perfect solution to me
We did not ever need evs n will not ever need them
This is exactly my point in arguing a combined approach, E tech (Electric, hydrogen and fuel cell) are all in their Infancy, with a similar approach to petrol tech they can not only compete, but possibly surpass Oil tech. But till that happens, we still need petrol tech to supplement with the current and future E tech
I disagree that Climate change is due to our technology, or at least our tech is not as bad as the Zealots say it is, but that is a discussion for another time
Look- if the government really cared about the enviroment and wanted to do something realistic they should just limit car engine size to no more than 1.2 litres. If we were all honest we would admit that no one really NEEDS to go more than 80 mph- and so with modern engine tech, a 1.2 litre engine can easily do 80 mph. Remember the Civic VX? It was a 1.2 litre right? It got like 60 mpg and that was in 1995. It would be better if we just made all cars very light, as simple as possible, easy to repair, and very basic without all the tech, plastic, and unnecessary "bells and whistles". I love old Japanese cars with tiny engines, with today's tech we could make tiny engine cars so much better, safer, and faster. Cars should be built to last too- like old Toyota truck
e-fuel is more expensive and less efficient than just putting an electric battery and motor in cars as you mentioned. I imagine most people would rather pay 15 cents per kWh instead of $10 a gallon, even if that means getting rid of their old combustion engine.
How are they going to make enough batteries for evs?
For all the economists out there, I wonder how much GDP we would lose over the switch to electric vehicles. I don't think AutoZone or NAPA would be able to keep up, let alone the independent repair shops. Also think about all the people making under $20,000 a year and cannot afford a $50,000 electric vehicle.
Ev's are not better for the environment... its so sad that people don't really research these things. They just buy what they hear as gospel and run with it...
been using e fuel for years for racing and running my lawn mower and weed eater a back pack blower so this is nothing new
There is plenty of oil on this planet. Tf is a fossil fuel, oil is not even that deep
E-fuel efficiency transforming electricity (renewable or not) to motive power with an engine turning the wheels is around 15% vs. 80% with a BEV.
I don't think something that consumes 5 times the amount of electricity needed for moving a BEV is the brightest idea.
E-fuels will exist on a very niche market, but no way it will spread to the masses.
Sorry for breaking your dreams, the E-fuel physics don't add up.
It's so funny that people don't realise that e-fuel is basically an electric car with more steps and abyssmall efficiency. You run e-fuel, that's an electric car. And a very shitty one at that.
E-fuels can be tailored so that they don't contain many, or perhaps any of the non-carbon pollutants that naturally exist in most hydrocarbons. This makes extraction of the carbon from the exhaust easier and cheaper. Imagine having an easily removed carbon collection unit in your exhaust that gets replaced every so often, that you can trade back to the fuel companies for fuel credits? They wouldn't even have to spend so much removing it from the atmosphere.
Diesels have this in the form of a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). Unfortunately it costs many Diesel engines their longevity/reliability, and as such shouldn’t be employed on a gas engine.
This video is VERY Misinforming. The creators of E-fuel are germans by company Porsche and you should be thanking them
Not only that, but at 6:57, he talks about burning coal for energy.... over a video feed of a nuclear power plant.
@@Lero_Poyeragreed this video isn't corect what so ever and verry misleading
just FYI from your vid graphics for electric generation, NO EMISSIONS come out of the cooling towers, those big plumes that come out of them are Pure water vapor. Its just annoying misunderstanding that keeps being perpetuated.
Not to mention every time one of those Evs get into an accident they spontaneously combust, because the battery casing has been exposed because it splits up and then when the fires put out the first time they reignite and burn for several more weeks if it doesn’t kill the occupants by burning them to a crisp first and yes, I know combustion engine cars have fuel tanks that can also catch on fire and explode burning the occupants to a crisp but if you look at recent actions that have happened, I will find that that is more popular among the EV cars over the combustion engine cars
EV fires are actually rare. They don't combust spontaneously every time one's in an accident. That's a bit of an exaggeration.
Problem is, for that same reason (the rarity), every time there is an EV fire, it's automatically going to the news. There's not many of them on the road relatively speaking, so every fire caused by one is going to be talked about by everyone. You really can't say that about gas car fires; they're so common that you're not gonna hear about all of them all the time.
Buuuuut, although gas cars have the potential of exploding in a fire, a fire coming from the batteries of an EV can be extremely nasty. Not only do they burn harder and for longer (meaning they're harder to extinguish), but the smoke they produce is toxic and very dangerous.
Moral of the story: no matter the type of car you have, you DEFINITELY don't want it on fire.
I really dont think EV is the only way to go, and i hate the people that tend to think that EVs are going to save the planet or whatever
I feel like it depends on what you need or want the vehicle for. Sometimes EV will be more beneficial.
Tell me one thing EV are better in, than a CO2 neutral ICE?!
@@LigmaAlexthe majority of people in America drive
@@Heist1000 Thermodynamics are a real thing! When factored in that 0.12 cents becomes exponentially higher! Also , When all the electric grid infrastructure is finally updated, which won't happen in our lifetime and may never because it's too vast, and every modern household in the world has at least a 75 amp service just to run your EV charging system besides the 200amp system to run the rest of your house. We will be demanding at least 75% more electricity on a daily basis than we do now...tell me how we are going to meet that demand when most of our electricity is produced with fossil fuel currently. And please don't tell me from wind and solar because you obviously don't understand thermodynamics if you do. That .12 cent is going to be closer to what we pay for a gallon of gas if not more! You are watching a massive global shell game, a three card monte and the elites and big government types are getting rich off of our collective ignorance. It's all a power play, pun intended and, you are being duped!
@@mntdshootrdoc1 yes thermodynamics are real thing! You clearly don't know what you're talking about and have a fistful of surface level level knowledge of topic.
1. An ICE motor barely reaches a paltry 28% thermo efficiency. The rest of the energy in a gallon of fuel is turned to waste heat, friction, and noise. While an EV operates at 95% power efficiency. 95 or 28? You tell me which is the better option?
2. There isn't a need to charge an EV off a 75amp service. Who told you this? I run a 40amp LiteOn IC3 that can intelligently adjust its draw down to as low as 32amps or ramp to 48 depending on load. I have a SPAN panel that can monitor whole house and grid load as well and adjust.
3. From where are you gathering the "75% increase in demand" figure?
4. As for demand production; over 20% of the power in the Eastern and Western Interconnects are from renewable sources. This % is increasing each year - supplemented further by increasing private production and helped even further by new infrastructure being LEED certified.
5. Demand capacity is not a problem for the grid or supply. Peak shaving is where the problem of supply comes into play.
Flex fuel is great I love how cheap it is and the power it makes
I really hope we can figure out a way ti have both ICE and EV , to each there own imo but i deff want my ICE engine and the only way i even look at ev is were i seen a dude put a 250hp electric motor with 440 torque in a civic with a dogbox trans 5 speed ... that is were i kinda lift a eyebrow , when they were able to put it to a M/T that actually peacks my interest 😅 altho im still a ICE petrol head i could get with the EV thing if i can still drive it like i want to and bang gears nit like the just CVT style shizz (witch i hate a cvt aswell worst feeling ever in a transmission imo) anyways my rant is done lol peace n love yo all keep it rad stay safe and build on l8z peepz
I despise CVT’s. I have a Fit and it’s a great car except for the freaking CVT. I want a manual car.
There's no way this will be close to the cost/performance of gasoline.... It will cost much more until companies get away completely from drilling which won't be anytime soon unless forced to do so essentially forcing a new market (which wouldn't surprise me for overbearing governments to do this)
I pray Dodge can save the "I.C.E. Challenger V-8, or, at least, the "V-6!!🙂👍🇺🇲🌟
The Pentastar still has cylinder head warping issues. They need to keep the hemi around, not the Pentastar.
If plants can convert sunlight and carbon dioxide into growth then we should be able to scale similarly to produce synthetic fuel. There’s one other company you forgot to mention, and that company is named Prometheus, I might be wrong but I think they might be working with Chevron now as of recently to produce E fuels that are exempt from regulation due to clean burn …..
I hope this really works out!!
In Brazil, we use Flex cars that run on both gasoline and alcohol from sugar cane. A plant that absorbs CO² from the atmosphere and then turns it into fuel after industrial processes. Ethanol is cheaper and is used on a large scale.
If this means Dodge can bring the Viper back...I'M ALL IN!
I like body mods , engine revs and nice body frames
As i was growing up in the 80s and 90s, i remember numerous documenteries on TV showing so many sources of alternatives to petrol. I remember Ford doing something with alcohol, it consumed 20% more fuel, but it was from corn or something else i can not remember exactly, but it showed something stupid like 80% less emission and more power and it was "growable". I also recall Toyota (or was it Nissan) also testing something similar with great real world results.....my point is, even back in the 80s and 90s alternative fuels (even synthetic) was already being tested and showing great results......what are we doing 50+ years later and no realy actual progress has been made? By that, i mean in 2023 driving into a petrol station and still the same shit from 50+ years ago....
Because Big Oil won't let that happen. Unless they get something out of it, they'll do everything they can to prevent new sources from taking over their control of our vehicles. And Big Oil got Big Money so you can bet they got Big Influence. But in today's day and age with the move away from oil by government and agencies, it explains why so many oil companies have teamed up with automakers to develop synthetic fuels....to maintain their control. Sounds evil and selfish but as you can see, the general public is still in favor of ICE and gasoline so they will continue to reign
You mean ethanol? That's made of corn
6:11 Its not about infrastructure. The US consumer cannot stand the 3-4-5 and sometimes 24 HOUR charge times.
US consumers demand 10-15 minute charge times, commensurate with refueling times at the gas pump.
GREAT VIDEO TRENT!!!! WELCOME TO THE FUTURE OF HOT RODDING!!!! GREAT VIDEO AND EDUCATION. THANKS FOR SHARING!!! YOU MADE MY DAY!!! I LEARNED A LOT AS WELL.
I just ran the numbers. A kwh of electricity could be used to drive an average EV 4-5 miles, or you could use it to make enough efuel to drive a 30mpg car about 0.4 miles. You throw away about 90% of the energy going through the e-fuel route than just charging a battery. There's a reason E-fuels are being pushed by fossil fuel companies. It's just another attempt to make hydrogen production a thing so that they can provide it for a few more decades. Right now, fossil fuels are the only viable source of the hydrogen you need to make the e-fuels, and that's going to be true for some time because switching to e-fuels will need 10x more renewables if you're going to make it green. ALternatively, you charge a fair value for truly-green e-fuels, probably $50-$100 a gallon.
E-fuels will probably be a thing for long-haul aviation, marine applications, and a few ICE enthusiasts, but it's going to cost A LOT.
Edit: I just thought to look up some numbers and do another calculation. If we're going to drive all our cars on E-fuels, we're going to need 8x as much electricity as the US currently makes and uses. Expect both your electric bill and gas prices to go up a lot. A lot of folks will have to choose between AC in the summer, or being able to drive to work.
A decent attempt but simply embracing the Hydrogen Combustion Engine would make things so much easier. That would be the way to go in my opinion. Toyota and Yamaha have already gotten started.
Hydrogen and synthetic are the real thing
I said the same thing
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan Toyota and Yamaha have already proven the success of the Hydrogen Combustion Engine. The powers that be would rather rape Mother Earth to produce Lithium Batteries and waste metric tons of energy to charge them. Oh well.
I'm for ANYTHING that keeps the GOOD engines alive.
E fuel for the win🎉
$40 a gallon than. Efuels are a joke imagine taking clean electricity instead of charging a battery wasting most of the energy converting it to fuel than putting it in a internal combustion engine so most that energy is lost to heat. Maybe we should install screen doors on submarines too
Gas powered cars aren’t going away anytime soon.
Even tho I hate the big corporations, this time only, for the sake of saving the turbos, superchargers, V8, and V12, I have to put my ego on the side and say:
GO Stellantis!!
GO Exxo!!
GO Porsche!!
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