Great review. The details are what matters especially with a $700. Tent. I’d expect more quality than that. Thank you for showing those details. My Army ICS is better quality and appears to be stronger than that thing. Again great review and thank you for showing the in depth details.
Finishing did look shoddy, I gave better finished tents that cost a tenth the price of this one, glad I watched this review thanks, looks like I will be getting the Northern Face one.
did you discover anything about the lack of seam tape on the tent exterior? wondering how it has held up in wet conditions. we have the tenshi 2 and had a thaw last winter resulting in water leaking into the tent from the wet snow and rain, which are always possible if you get a warm winter day.
Any thoughts on the missing mesh in the vents?? This seems like a MAJOR oversight in a 4 season tent. Am I missing some construction element that would keep mosquitoes out of the living space? Thanks for any input. I have this tent coming and didn't realize this was an issue until after ordering....It may be a deal breaker for me.
I think they probably were really focused on weight. It's such a big thing people look at in this category of tents. I think they made the right decision, for me anyways. I only use this tent in winter maybe fall, and mosquitoes are not present. I prefer the weight savings. But I am usually ski touring or bikepcking with it. This is not a car camping or maybe not even a sledding tent. In the alpine snow my greater concern is spindrift entering the tent and I think the mesh would prevent that. So having the mesh on the outside makes more sense in real cold snowy conditions. Even at that I usually open the mesh anyways for maximum ventilation. And I usually crack the top of the door that doesn't have mesh. As we as opening the vent on the door with mesh. Going for ventilation mostly. It can ventilate quite well with all four points open. I don't know if mosquitoes would travel up in between the fly and body. I guess it could be a concern if there were mosquitoes. But then I'm thinking if mosquitoes are alive it may not be the right weather for this tent. I'd use a lighter tent. This tent is made for winter alpine trekking in my opinion. Even if you have a long trek that starts in mosquito weathet and goes into true alpine conditions this may not be the right tent. I guess its a bit of a one trick pony. But I have lots of tents so I like having focused designs.
Its not missing! its a Mountaineering tent! There is no bugs up in the mountain in freezing conditions! The Bug screen helps snow from blowing snow inside a little. If there is bugs this is the wrong tent as mountaineering tent are horribly uncomfortable when the temperature allows bugs! You can find lighter, more comfortable tents for warmer conditions. Also Mountaineering tents are lower to the ground and have less head space for sitting inside, this helps with high winds and snow accumulation. The opening on the inside without the bug mesh allows you to open and close the vent to manage air flow, condensation from the inside. It also allows you to close vent if wind shifts and starts blowing snow inside. If bugs is a concern check out a 3 or 3-4 season tent it will be a better fit.
@@FelipeAdventures Well to be fair this tent is marketed to hunters that will mostly use the tent in swing season where there could be bugs. I have used it un fall and spring and it was never too hot at night. It does warm up when the sun hits it and then requires open doors if its warm out and sunny. But it really can be used in moderate temperatures where bugs could be present. That being said its best use is high alpine/mid winter scenarios. But it does either just fine.
@@dirtsurf1 sure they are marketing that "Whether you’re hunting sheep or chasing late season elk and deer in deep snow, this double-walled, four-season mountaineering tent..." but like it says on the end it a Mountaineering tent that they just changed the colors. Personally I like the brown color because the bright orange color gets old after a long stormy day that you spend more time inside the tent! I used a Mountaineering tent before in the middle of the summer in a desert! I survived and was reasonably comfortable because its a desert and temperature drops but as soon as that sun was up I was out of that bright orange tent that acted like a oven! I am trying to say the same thing you mentioned above, that you have focused tents. There are better options than this tent if bug are part of the equation for example the Tracker 2p is half the price and the weight and will be very good for most late fall conditions and great in the summer. The Kodiak 2p is a 3/4 season tent but can provide a lot more airflow, comfort inside, it is $200 cheaper and unlike the Endurance you can get a footprint to help protect the bottom of the tent since its design for situation that there may not be snow on the ground (and bugs present!). Sorry I am not trying to start a fight its just that I made that mistake as a kid when purchased a 8,000+ meters Mountaineering tent for year round use and it was a waste of money, not as enjoyable and it cost me more money than I needed to spend.
@@FelipeAdventures Yeah it's certainly not the best choice for shoulder season, assuming weight is an issue. If weight isnt an issue its nicer for me because I always want more room and it is bigger than those tents. And the ventilation has been fine for me in the shoulder season. But...weight usually is an issue and more frequently than not I use a nemo hornet in the shoulder season. I don't like the livability as much but it's like 5 pounds lighter!
Bugs?! its a Mountaineering tent! There is no bugs up in the mountain in freezing conditions! The Bug screen helps snow from blowing snow inside a little. If there is bugs this is the wrong tent as mountaineering tent are horribly uncomfortable when the temperature allows bugs!
I agree. Generally bugs are not a concern. I have used this tent in the swing season when there could be a few bugs by I never noticed anything. And like you say this is a winter alpine tent, bugs aren't really part of the equation.
Good review. Unforgivably shoddy finishing at that price... But I still want one!
Its worth mentioning it has held up...
Movement in the tent is actually good in high wind, that’s why the stake out points have a bungee style connection.
Great review. The details are what matters especially with a $700. Tent. I’d expect more quality than that. Thank you for showing those details. My Army ICS is better quality and appears to be stronger than that thing. Again great review and thank you for showing the in depth details.
Good to see you showing the finer detail. Does look a bit shabby for a high end tent
Finishing did look shoddy, I gave better finished tents that cost a tenth the price of this one, glad I watched this review thanks, looks like I will be getting the Northern Face one.
I can tell you it's held up well. But there are many great tents out there. You might look at kuiu too.
did you discover anything about the lack of seam tape on the tent exterior? wondering how it has held up in wet conditions. we have the tenshi 2 and had a thaw last winter resulting in water leaking into the tent from the wet snow and rain, which are always possible if you get a warm winter day.
It has done fine in rain. Not that the ground was ever super saturated the canopy has been solid.
They have a lifetime warranty, if it does break at a seam, they will fix it
Any thoughts on the missing mesh in the vents?? This seems like a MAJOR oversight in a 4 season tent. Am I missing some construction element that would keep mosquitoes out of the living space? Thanks for any input. I have this tent coming and didn't realize this was an issue until after ordering....It may be a deal breaker for me.
I think they probably were really focused on weight. It's such a big thing people look at in this category of tents. I think they made the right decision, for me anyways. I only use this tent in winter maybe fall, and mosquitoes are not present. I prefer the weight savings. But I am usually ski touring or bikepcking with it. This is not a car camping or maybe not even a sledding tent. In the alpine snow my greater concern is spindrift entering the tent and I think the mesh would prevent that. So having the mesh on the outside makes more sense in real cold snowy conditions. Even at that I usually open the mesh anyways for maximum ventilation. And I usually crack the top of the door that doesn't have mesh. As we as opening the vent on the door with mesh. Going for ventilation mostly. It can ventilate quite well with all four points open. I don't know if mosquitoes would travel up in between the fly and body. I guess it could be a concern if there were mosquitoes. But then I'm thinking if mosquitoes are alive it may not be the right weather for this tent. I'd use a lighter tent. This tent is made for winter alpine trekking in my opinion. Even if you have a long trek that starts in mosquito weathet and goes into true alpine conditions this may not be the right tent. I guess its a bit of a one trick pony. But I have lots of tents so I like having focused designs.
Its not missing! its a Mountaineering tent! There is no bugs up in the mountain in freezing conditions! The Bug screen helps snow from blowing snow inside a little. If there is bugs this is the wrong tent as mountaineering tent are horribly uncomfortable when the temperature allows bugs! You can find lighter, more comfortable tents for warmer conditions. Also Mountaineering tents are lower to the ground and have less head space for sitting inside, this helps with high winds and snow accumulation. The opening on the inside without the bug mesh allows you to open and close the vent to manage air flow, condensation from the inside. It also allows you to close vent if wind shifts and starts blowing snow inside. If bugs is a concern check out a 3 or 3-4 season tent it will be a better fit.
@@FelipeAdventures Well to be fair this tent is marketed to hunters that will mostly use the tent in swing season where there could be bugs. I have used it un fall and spring and it was never too hot at night. It does warm up when the sun hits it and then requires open doors if its warm out and sunny. But it really can be used in moderate temperatures where bugs could be present. That being said its best use is high alpine/mid winter scenarios. But it does either just fine.
@@dirtsurf1 sure they are marketing that "Whether you’re hunting sheep or chasing late season elk and deer in deep snow, this double-walled, four-season mountaineering tent..." but like it says on the end it a Mountaineering tent that they just changed the colors. Personally I like the brown color because the bright orange color gets old after a long stormy day that you spend more time inside the tent! I used a Mountaineering tent before in the middle of the summer in a desert! I survived and was reasonably comfortable because its a desert and temperature drops but as soon as that sun was up I was out of that bright orange tent that acted like a oven! I am trying to say the same thing you mentioned above, that you have focused tents. There are better options than this tent if bug are part of the equation for example the Tracker 2p is half the price and the weight and will be very good for most late fall conditions and great in the summer. The Kodiak 2p is a 3/4 season tent but can provide a lot more airflow, comfort inside, it is $200 cheaper and unlike the Endurance you can get a footprint to help protect the bottom of the tent since its design for situation that there may not be snow on the ground (and bugs present!). Sorry I am not trying to start a fight its just that I made that mistake as a kid when purchased a 8,000+ meters Mountaineering tent for year round use and it was a waste of money, not as enjoyable and it cost me more money than I needed to spend.
@@FelipeAdventures Yeah it's certainly not the best choice for shoulder season, assuming weight is an issue. If weight isnt an issue its nicer for me because I always want more room and it is bigger than those tents. And the ventilation has been fine for me in the shoulder season. But...weight usually is an issue and more frequently than not I use a nemo hornet in the shoulder season. I don't like the livability as much but it's like 5 pounds lighter!
Bugs?! its a Mountaineering tent! There is no bugs up in the mountain in freezing conditions! The Bug screen helps snow from blowing snow inside a little. If there is bugs this is the wrong tent as mountaineering tent are horribly uncomfortable when the temperature allows bugs!
I agree. Generally bugs are not a concern. I have used this tent in the swing season when there could be a few bugs by I never noticed anything. And like you say this is a winter alpine tent, bugs aren't really part of the equation.