I really enjoyed it! I thought it was a fun movie! Joaquin and Margot as Joker and Harley would be too weird. They’re movies/universes are so drastically different. It wouldn’t work.
I really liked this movie! Not as much as Wonder Woman and Shazam, but definitely more than any other DCEU movies. I was not at all a fan of the Joker because I believe that the core of both Joker and Harley is chaotic fun and that movie lacked all of that. I was happy with the chaotic fun that we got in this movie! Standout parts for me were Harley and Huntress. I will agree with many others that Cassie Cane should have had a different name.
Personally, this is my favorite DCEU movie so far (which says a lot because I really love all the DCEU movies except for JL and SS) and one of my fav CBMs overall. Seen it 3 times in the cinema and planning on seeing it at least 3 times more before it leaves the theater. I absolutely loved the hell out of it (and mind you, I'm in my 20s, not a 14 year old girl lol). Honestly I can't remember the last time I had so much fun watching a movie.
I agree with you guys on some parts but at the same time I just saw the movie as a one time thing, I'm done with waiting for DC to actually read the comics and truly get to what makes a character themselves. And you're right about not seeing enough of Harley and Joker relationship to care and you're right about having these characters and no proper dedication to them. But at the same time, I just laughed and had a good time watching the movie and at this point I'm okay with a movie like that. I'm very glad you guys showed your opinion! Great video!
I disagree. It’s childlike and immature, but so is Harley? She’s been written that way for over a decade, but they still showed that she’s still complex. It’s also supposed to be told through Harley’s lens. You can’t compare this to films like Joker, because they aren’t going for that life changing eye opening film. I agree that I’d prefer to be shown and not told, but this literally feels like a live action version of a Harley centric BTAS episode
DC can pull a “Flashpoint” card and reboot the whole thing. I think it would make sense to have flashpoint as the first Flash movie as Barry is still a rookie, making rookie mistakes.
I enjoyed it but probably because I wasn’t expecting much. Will I go watch it again? Not likely... I feel like they tried to copy the Deadpool formula but it didn’t quite work for them
I gotta disagreeing with y’all. I loved this movie so much, I saw it twice in theaters. I love this Harley more than the animated Batman one. Birds of prey is my favorite DC movie. I rate it 10/10
So true guys I've watched both films . And your spot on ! . Harquin is one of the rare films I've been to cinemas to watch and I all most walked and was bored !
I went with a group and felt like a sourpuss saying all this after. Agree with everything yall said! Its so frustrating when you see all the potential a film has and it comes out feeling so lazy..
Chris Runde We were more forgiving early in the DCU. At where they stand now we need to weed out the mistakes made and move on to better written stories.
Your review reminded me of the song in Suicide Squad: "I started a joke which started the whole world crying..." had hope, but the trailer was so boring and wrong. I enjoyed Suicide Squad to a point. Not completely sold on the sequel. Really wish we had a Joker and Harley film first.
I am like you and I know the characters in depth, however I wasn’t expecting anything great. The only person I really enjoyed was Margot Robbie to me she is the perfect Harley Quinn, but this movie didn’t capitalize on it. I enjoyed the movie for what it was the music was great, the police station scene with the colours was cool and the humour.
Totally disagree with the Joaquin’s Joker going well with Margot’s Harley. Different universe, different feel. I personally don’t think it would work. Just give Jared Leto another chance...
It seems like your main issue with the movie is that you are comparing it to other movies genres with different tones and iterations - yes, there are movies that are delve into dark issues and the psychology of what makes a criminal... but this movie was never trying to be that. It was pure color, camp and entertainment (which is how I prefer my comic book films, personally). Although, knowing now that the "Birds of Prey" moniker refers more to a Huntress/Canary + others team, I would agree the this movie should have been "The Emancipation of Harley Quinn" so a future movie could have been "Birds of Prey" now that those characters have been introduced. And I don't disagree that a Joker/Harley movie [with Leto and Robbie] would have been great, or a Black Mask movie, but that's just some on a long list of should've could'ves that will make you crazy - take it from a Potterhead who's been burned: never watch adaptions with high expectations. It's also funny you mention Wonder Woman as an example, because I still have yet to watch the second half, as it was that non-compelling for me; the 1984 trailer they showed in front of BOP was also a snooze, just cobbled shots with no clear plot line or antagonist (unless the villain was supposed to be shoulder pads) - it really is to each, their own.
It seems like the cool thing to do these days is to hate on Birds of Prey simply because idk...? and compare it to everything else that it shouldn't be compared to like Sonic (a movie for kids) and Joker (a DRAMA). I for one as a female am extremely in love with BOP and it feels so refreshing to see other females on screen doing a lot of their own stunts and can actually be seen kicking ass. Margot and the girls deserve more credit and to not constantly get shit on because they got screwed over by bad marketing.
A good use for orphan would have been to give her own movie (very cheap); have her be mute like the comics and work her way up to speaking. Lady Shiva or Cluemaster would be the villains.
B’wana Beast right! Although playing orphan will need a really good actress. I would have rather had Barbara in a wheelchair. That would have been the way to go. Although I guess Cassandra wasn’t bargirl or orphan in the movie. Just a thief or something
I enjoyed the movie, but I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan and Margot Robbie makes Harley work.... but it's definitely not amazing or mind blowing WB is totally rushing through establishing characters.... I totally agree with what you're saying we have totally been cheated that we haven't gotten to see a proper portrayal of the Harley and Joker relationship. Our society has become so gun shy about portraying gritty topics like abusive relationships and such,but to understand Harley you have to understand the relationship she and the Joker had. They should totally just make the Harleen comic by Stjepan Sejic into a film that would be awesome IMO. Great vid as always yall!
I thought the movie wasn't bad. My main problems were the constant flash backs, and lighting. They relied heavily on flashbacks to push the plot and the lighting during the last half of the movie mad everything seem way too dark to the point where you had a hard time keeping up with what was going on. Other than that, I did enjoy the movie.
They really wanted to mimic what Deadpool has done but there's just too much story to be told. Perhaps if they would have cut the BOP out of the movie it would have worked better.
She is and can be I just believe to tell that story you need to pull the camera out of her head and let us experience that from a 3rd person perspective. Or Atleast tone down the schizo cuts to something more manageable like in American Psycho.
I liked the idea they were going with to make an unreliable narrator (Harley Quinn). I thought there was some really cool scenes and some ones that either didn't make sense or was just too much. Some of the new characters I actually liked probably because I don't know much about the original version or am okay with a different version of the character. There were quite a few moments that felt like they were just forcing words or scenes that were inappropriate just to be inappropriate. I still like the movie, but it could have been done differently.
You are absolutely correct in the forcing scenes and words. I think the narration probably would have worked better had they gotten rid of the BOP and freed up more time for us to understand what Harley was going through. Or simply just brought back Leto for a final movie with her.
While I appreciate your review, comparing it to Joker right off the bat was questionable choice. Because 1) Joker doesn’t exist in the DCEU 2) It was a completely different type of movie from Birds of Prey. It was a poorly done movie, slightly better than Suicide Squad but that’s not saying much haha.
I think you guys are totally right. I think that people love movies that they can relate to and their own lives and actually connect with. I love the Joker movie. I haven't seen birds of prey. Bat I like it. But it might not be my favorite. Best the review and keep up the great Batman videos. I love them the most
As a fan of ONLY the movies that has never read a comic book in my life, Suicide Squad is amazing. Still hurts to hear people bash it over and over. I've watched it countless times. What DC is doing is making films for everyone, not just fans of the old comics. I love every movie Batman has ever been in. I passed on the Joker because it looks boring and I myself deal with mental illness and don't care to watch someone else go through those struggles. I want to see fantasy violence with characters like Batman and Joker fighting each other, I don't give a shit about their feelings. I think I will like Harley Quinn because she is one of my favorite characters and I love goofy fantasy super hero movies. Suicide Squad and the 2 Deadpool movies are the only super hero films I've truly enjoyed since the Dark Night trilogy. Some people like different things and I totally disagree on your opinions about the current state of the DC franchise.
Movies like that are the reasons they are in trouble. I said it so many times if they put the people that are in charge of their animated movies in charge of their live action movies they would be wonderful but they don't and we end up with movies like this
I had fun watching this movie. I don't think it was really a great movie or anything and they could have done a much better job on some of the characters... but I left the movie thinking "That was kind of fun to watch. I wish Huntress was in it a little more... but I liked Black Mask, Black Canary and Harley Quinn." I did not like Suicide Squad at all... I didn't see it until after I saw Birds of Prey though. I do wish they just did a Joker and Harley movie before Suicide Squad.
I also almost fell asleep. I also found the forced misogyny as weak writing. I'm all for women expressing what they deal with but that didn't feel right somehow, coulda been written differently.
I liked it but I think the problem with dceu and I think everyone notices it is that they are trying to force an mcu event on us and we don't even know half the characters they've shown us
Margot Robbie sabotaged it all, full creative control and WB bent to all her demands. Wanted to be Deadpool but that worked because it went to an 14/10 insanity while Birds of Prey had two F bombs beyond PG 13 to get R rating. Bottom line it was Harley Quinn and Birds of Prey, not Sirens or Joker involved because Robbie didn't want any other characters or actors to upstage her. Would you of liked this plot for a Harley Quinn movie, Harley Quinn and Joker break up and they destroy Gotham trying to kill each other but ultimately end up together at end again because that's how life works all too often?
@@NerdTherapy Could even include some Bird of Prey to help Harley and irritated with her bipolar bullshit but to not be killed put up with her for now. Then you could actually do a real BOP movie afterwards without them being second fiddle and more accurate.
Outside of the first 20 minutes or so I liked it well enough. I don't need to see it again tho and I like at least a Saturday afternoon rewatchability out of my comic book movies.
Thats the beauty of people having opinions! I liked it better than Deadpool 2. The only problem I had was that they named it 'Birds of Pray'. From the beginning it should have been Harly Quinn: Birds of Pray. I bought the ' I shaved my balls for this' 😂😂
Birds of Prey might not be a good movie, but it’s a fun movie. I was honestly just looking for a campy beat them up type movie. Plus, it was kinda my first true movie date, so I will have a soft spot for it. Wish the movie was more connected to the comic book, it was indeed the plot that hurt the movie. I think all the actors had so much potential, even Huntress and Cassandra Cain.
I really liked this movie! I would say it is definitely in my top 5 DC movies. And I completely understand all the criticisms, but I had so much freakin' fun watching this! And (I know I am in the minority here) but I actually liked this better than the Deadpool movies. I would be interested to see what else they do with Huntress if Winstead keeps playing her. I think that if they spent time with her she would still make a great Huntress.
The movie going back and forth switching from day to day is totally Harley! She literally says in the beginning “This is my story and I’m going to tell it the way I want too”. There’s so much going on in her head that’s she forgets parts and has to go back and tell the part she missed. That’s so Harley telling the story of this movie. I personally thought this movie was so good!
I went opening weekend to the large screen cinema there was less than 10 people in there which shows no one was excited. I think the acting wasn't brilliant and some of the lines were a bit clunky.
Steven Hosie They didn’t help sell tickets leading up to release with those trailers and actors saying dumb things. Either way, i don’t think it will pick up steam based on word of mouth at this point.
Honestly I'd be okay if they just leave the joker out of the dceu entirely. Rather watch Harley become more of a hero and find a good relationship in a trilogy of movies. I'd fall in the group that really enjoyed the movie. Had trips as well but were minimal compared to the rest of the lineup. Thought Ewan did a great job with Black Mask and the overall pace and look of the movie I to be enjoyable. Top 3 dc movies shazam, birds, ww. Bottom 3 squad, JL, Aquaman
NDbportmanfan Oh that’s interesting you put Aquaman that low. Out of curiosity, why do you think it’s bottom 3 material? I’m not an Aquaman fan, myself. I’m just curious considering all the surprised positive responses I’ve seen that movie get.
@@someonerandom8552 well, personally I didn't care too much about the story. The outsider becoming king has been done a lot and I found it dull. I did enjoy the scenery and black manta was cool but that was about it.
The problem with some of these DC movies is that the plot point is weak. They are trying to do WAY to much, throw out so much information in such little time. Batman v Superman had a weak complicated story line. In the end you didn't care if both characters lived or died. Justice league problem was weak story, not enough screen time for relationships between characters to be built up cause they were constantly jumping from location to location, action scene to action scene. Suicide squads problem was weak script and an even weaker villain. No character development at all. I mean there wasn't even a 5 second back story on Slipknot. He just shows up out of the blue with the rest of the bad guys and is immediately killed. Joker could have been great but his role was reduced to bring no more than a glorified cameo. Also everyone blames Jared Leto for the joker being bad. It wasn't his joker. If you go back and look at press interviews for Suicide Squad the director stated that everything about the Joker was his idea, his vision. The tattoos, the teeth, the clothes.
B’wana Beast I guess they hinted at his obsession with masks but I don’t think, atleast I don’t remember, them ever going into what his mask was all about. Doesn’t matter now though....because you know.
If you read the comics then you would know that these characters are together which are a group called Birds Of Prey minus Harley Quinn because she pop up in the books now and then.... But you guys are not big DC comic book or probably not the TV show or animated films fans so you pretty much don't understand the concept of the film!!!!
james Little lol surely you understand we know that??? They forced a female cast thus chose to bring in BOP that has nothing to do with Harley Quinn, added Cassandra Cain (batgirl) who acted nothing like batgirl or Orphan like in the comics. Huntress and Black Canary were the only true BOP members but made one a joke and the other absolutely nothing like the Justice League member that BC is. Also, not having Barbara Gordon (Oracle) in it was a missed opportunity. Instead we got a little jewel thief that had no interesting qualities like her comic character Orphan.
I liked the movie. I realise it’s not entirely comic accurate. But I was disappointed with the Suicide Squad movie last time. So maybe I’ve just learned to go in expecting a more “normie” offering. Btw can anyone tell me how to get full episodes of the Harley Quinn animated series outside of the US (DC streaming is American only.) Nord VPN maybe? Asking for a friend.
This is so interesting - because I really enjoyed this movie and didn't really care that much for Joker (you all seem to be the reverse). This movie was a ton of fun and was at least true to the movie version of Harley so far.
I thought it was a little less then okay I’d say the first act was actually really good not amazing but there was effort there but we’re the movie fails for me is the lazy writing like u guys said perfect example of that is ewan mcgregors Roman sionis at first I really liked his character how quirky as passive aggressive he was then when the scene with him and the girl on the table happened is when this movie spiraled from okay this is fun to are we seriously doing this not god awful mostly thanks to ewan and margots performance
Nerd Therapy exactly It showed signs of a great Harley Quinn movie with birds of prey (should have been the title) but then they killed it with lazy and poorly written writing
I honestly didn’t enjoy the film, I’ve not been a fan of the palmiotti/Connor version in the comics, I feel HQ needs to be dark and psychotic rather than girly and fun and cartoonie. I won’t be going out of my way to watch it again.
@@NerdTherapy oh I'm looking forward to punchline, as long as the creator intends her to be hardcore, I'll be happy. (sorry for inundating the comments). I also think with the DCEU, they've looked at harley being a popular character and totally honed in on assuming everyone would love her regardless of the film and its not gone right. I honestly enjoyed sonic so much more which is sad because I love DC so much and want to see it succeed. Also not helping is that the creators of the newer harley are blocking folk on twitter when they read a harsh comment on the depiction of harley. I just think it's should have been scrubbed and reset with James Gunn completely
@@ShevMcG I really think James Gunn will either be the birth or death of this Harley. He created an amazing group of characters in GOTG. Many whom where completely ridiculous before. If anyone can make this work its him.
Birds of Prey was meh at best. One gripe would be in a cinematic universe full of super heroes and villians Harley takes on multiple police officers ,prisoners and gang members one after another without much/next to no struggle just isn't believable. In Batman v Superman Batfleck gets stabbed, knocked around and even though he wins he had to earn it. More believable, given the tactics shown in the scene and his martial background and YEARS of experiance fighting crime.
I couldn't disagree more, it was fun, funny, had heart. Way better than suicide squad by far. You can't compare joker to mainline dceu, this is meant to be cartoony and zany as told by Harley Quinn. The end credit is a nod to the harley Quinn cartoon on dc universe which is great. To each their own.
It’s a Harley Quinn movie but the only one they actually showed with real problems was Huntress lol Huntress coulda been the one character that coulda stole this whole movie if she was done right. Huntress and Harley Quinn were the main characters of this movie. Cuz Black Canary felt like a throw in character. She was a boring character in this movie she just didn’t fit in the movie. And I have to disagree with Shazam. Shazam sucked in my opinion. I like a lot of stupid movies and I laugh at a lot of dumb stuff. But Shazam just didn’t do it for me. That was the worst so far for me.
I thought it was funny, although I really feel like they forced the F bomb a lot to appear edgy. I can see why comic book fans would be mad, but I just took it for what it's worth. I'm sorry, but the exchange with Huntress and Black Canary about the bow and arrow had me dying laughing! (and I'm almost quadruple the age of a middle schooler lol).
Cookies Tv They should have dropped the birds of prey. It shows they had troubles writing a script by herself so they added a team up that made absolutely no historical sense.
I honestly didn’t think it was that bad. It was fun and looked amazing. I would definitely watch it again. It had its flaws but besides wonder woman and joker, it’s the best DC movie around
Hate that they are blaming men for its failure, when nearly 60% of the US audience in the first week was male. Repeatedly said the movie it’s not for men don’t be surprise when it fails. But you don’t get to blame them when it fails.
lynaem88 It was targeted to females but it repelled me so much 😂 My bf wants to watch it because of Margot but I literally have no reason. They just want to find excuses.
Memphis Dale awww soy boy? What a great insult. Ur doing suuuch a good job! A + plus comment posting! Sorry my sarcasm offended you sooo much. Here’s a bandaid for your lil owie! Wittle man doesn’t like when someone has a diffewent opinion!
The movie wasnt terrible but wasn't great either its my least favourite. Yes even suicide squad was better. Marrgot robbie is greatvas harley quinn but that was it the rest of cast have nothing to do. And black mask was completely wasted.the action was pritty good aswell. But the plot/story was so weak. i walked out entertained but it was just a nothing movie that i coukdnt care less about.
And canary cried once !? The ‘main’ characters were not main, it was a HQ showcase in different outfits. It was R rated when it really didn’t need to be. Argh, I could go on so long about how this is so bad.
Based on the material in the movie they shouldn't have made it a R rated film. If you are going with green comedy then allow that market to get into the theater lol
ray van krevel It’s past being hype. Well written, well acted, great cinematography and now rewarded for it. True it’s not technically in the DCU but that’s because WB was scared to release that kind of film. It is however their most profitable film to date. Hope you enjoy the movie!
The “All Men are Bad” Troupe ruined it for me, especially when that was that main plot of film in my view. And I noticed it was okay for Harley to commit all these violent acts without any repercussions. Cause woman.
I'm glad someone understands the comicbook character's, and want them done right! :)
We realize we are in the minority here because movies encompass a much larger crowd. That's why our wishes will probably never be granted.
@@NerdTherapy yeah that's true. :/ Hopefully Suicide Squad, and the new Batman movie do better.
I really enjoyed it! I thought it was a fun movie!
Joaquin and Margot as Joker and Harley would be too weird. They’re movies/universes are so drastically different. It wouldn’t work.
I really liked this movie! Not as much as Wonder Woman and Shazam, but definitely more than any other DCEU movies. I was not at all a fan of the Joker because I believe that the core of both Joker and Harley is chaotic fun and that movie lacked all of that. I was happy with the chaotic fun that we got in this movie! Standout parts for me were Harley and Huntress. I will agree with many others that Cassie Cane should have had a different name.
They really should’ve turned this into Harley Quinn and the Gotham Sirens. Would’ve made more sense.
Personally, this is my favorite DCEU movie so far (which says a lot because I really love all the DCEU movies except for JL and SS) and one of my fav CBMs overall. Seen it 3 times in the cinema and planning on seeing it at least 3 times more before it leaves the theater. I absolutely loved the hell out of it (and mind you, I'm in my 20s, not a 14 year old girl lol). Honestly I can't remember the last time I had so much fun watching a movie.
With a name like that I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I agree with you guys on some parts but at the same time I just saw the movie as a one time thing, I'm done with waiting for DC to actually read the comics and truly get to what makes a character themselves. And you're right about not seeing enough of Harley and Joker relationship to care and you're right about having these characters and no proper dedication to them. But at the same time, I just laughed and had a good time watching the movie and at this point I'm okay with a movie like that. I'm very glad you guys showed your opinion! Great video!
I disagree. It’s childlike and immature, but so is Harley? She’s been written that way for over a decade, but they still showed that she’s still complex. It’s also supposed to be told through Harley’s lens. You can’t compare this to films like Joker, because they aren’t going for that life changing eye opening film. I agree that I’d prefer to be shown and not told, but this literally feels like a live action version of a Harley centric BTAS episode
mrpink627 or her DC Universe show
What are your thoughts on the Harley Quinn tv show?
DC can pull a “Flashpoint” card and reboot the whole thing. I think it would make sense to have flashpoint as the first Flash movie as Barry is still a rookie, making rookie mistakes.
I enjoyed it but probably because I wasn’t expecting much. Will I go watch it again? Not likely... I feel like they tried to copy the Deadpool formula but it didn’t quite work for them
I gotta disagreeing with y’all. I loved this movie so much, I saw it twice in theaters. I love this Harley more than the animated Batman one. Birds of prey is my favorite DC movie. I rate it 10/10
Bc Gaming Totally agree!!!😅😹🥳
kyle nguyen awesome!
I thought this movie was just okay. At least I didn't fall asleep like I did during Dark Phoenix. I really wanted to like both of those movies.
I dug the movie alot. Saw it two times
So true guys I've watched both films . And your spot on ! . Harquin is one of the rare films I've been to cinemas to watch and I all most walked and was bored !
I went with a group and felt like a sourpuss saying all this after. Agree with everything yall said! Its so frustrating when you see all the potential a film has and it comes out feeling so lazy..
Chris Runde We were more forgiving early in the DCU. At where they stand now we need to weed out the mistakes made and move on to better written stories.
Your review reminded me of the song in Suicide Squad: "I started a joke which started the whole world crying..." had hope, but the trailer was so boring and wrong. I enjoyed Suicide Squad to a point. Not completely sold on the sequel. Really wish we had a Joker and Harley film first.
you see the thing is they cant do a harely and joker movie, jared doesn't want to do joker and they wont ever shwo that sadly
I am like you and I know the characters in depth, however I wasn’t expecting anything great. The only person I really enjoyed was Margot Robbie to me she is the perfect Harley Quinn, but this movie didn’t capitalize on it. I enjoyed the movie for what it was the music was great, the police station scene with the colours was cool and the humour.
Rp Margot is definitely the perfect Harley!
Totally disagree with the Joaquin’s Joker going well with Margot’s Harley. Different universe, different feel. I personally don’t think it would work. Just give Jared Leto another chance...
I would have been fine with that. They just needed to drop the BOP and bring joker in
It seems like your main issue with the movie is that you are comparing it to other movies genres with different tones and iterations - yes, there are movies that are delve into dark issues and the psychology of what makes a criminal... but this movie was never trying to be that. It was pure color, camp and entertainment (which is how I prefer my comic book films, personally). Although, knowing now that the "Birds of Prey" moniker refers more to a Huntress/Canary + others team, I would agree the this movie should have been "The Emancipation of Harley Quinn" so a future movie could have been "Birds of Prey" now that those characters have been introduced. And I don't disagree that a Joker/Harley movie [with Leto and Robbie] would have been great, or a Black Mask movie, but that's just some on a long list of should've could'ves that will make you crazy - take it from a Potterhead who's been burned: never watch adaptions with high expectations. It's also funny you mention Wonder Woman as an example, because I still have yet to watch the second half, as it was that non-compelling for me; the 1984 trailer they showed in front of BOP was also a snooze, just cobbled shots with no clear plot line or antagonist (unless the villain was supposed to be shoulder pads) - it really is to each, their own.
It seems like the cool thing to do these days is to hate on Birds of Prey simply because idk...? and compare it to everything else that it shouldn't be compared to like Sonic (a movie for kids) and Joker (a DRAMA). I for one as a female am extremely in love with BOP and it feels so refreshing to see other females on screen doing a lot of their own stunts and can actually be seen kicking ass. Margot and the girls deserve more credit and to not constantly get shit on because they got screwed over by bad marketing.
A good use for orphan would have been to give her own movie (very cheap); have her be mute like the comics and work her way up to speaking. Lady Shiva or Cluemaster would be the villains.
B’wana Beast right! Although playing orphan will need a really good actress. I would have rather had Barbara in a wheelchair. That would have been the way to go. Although I guess Cassandra wasn’t bargirl or orphan in the movie. Just a thief or something
Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman are great
I enjoyed the movie, but I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan and Margot Robbie makes Harley work.... but it's definitely not amazing or mind blowing WB is totally rushing through establishing characters.... I totally agree with what you're saying we have totally been cheated that we haven't gotten to see a proper portrayal of the Harley and Joker relationship. Our society has become so gun shy about portraying gritty topics like abusive relationships and such,but to understand Harley you have to understand the relationship she and the Joker had. They should totally just make the Harleen comic by Stjepan Sejic into a film that would be awesome IMO. Great vid as always yall!
Comedy movie: good!
Story: nooph
I did like the movie, because i got zero expectations after justice league.
I thought the movie wasn't bad. My main problems were the constant flash backs, and lighting. They relied heavily on flashbacks to push the plot and the lighting during the last half of the movie mad everything seem way too dark to the point where you had a hard time keeping up with what was going on. Other than that, I did enjoy the movie.
They really wanted to mimic what Deadpool has done but there's just too much story to be told. Perhaps if they would have cut the BOP out of the movie it would have worked better.
But I think Harley Quinn is immature and unpredictable and insane and messy kinda like the movie. But I LOVED the movie SO MUCH!
I agree. Really felt this movie was great. Harley is crazy and all of over the place and I think the movie portrayed that well
@@mrj667 right!
She is and can be I just believe to tell that story you need to pull the camera out of her head and let us experience that from a 3rd person perspective. Or Atleast tone down the schizo cuts to something more manageable like in American Psycho.
@@NerdTherapy I see what you mean.
I liked the idea they were going with to make an unreliable narrator (Harley Quinn). I thought there was some really cool scenes and some ones that either didn't make sense or was just too much. Some of the new characters I actually liked probably because I don't know much about the original version or am okay with a different version of the character. There were quite a few moments that felt like they were just forcing words or scenes that were inappropriate just to be inappropriate. I still like the movie, but it could have been done differently.
You are absolutely correct in the forcing scenes and words. I think the narration probably would have worked better had they gotten rid of the BOP and freed up more time for us to understand what Harley was going through. Or simply just brought back Leto for a final movie with her.
While I appreciate your review, comparing it to Joker right off the bat was questionable choice. Because 1) Joker doesn’t exist in the DCEU 2) It was a completely different type of movie from Birds of Prey. It was a poorly done movie, slightly better than Suicide Squad but that’s not saying much haha.
I think you guys are totally right. I think that people love movies that they can relate to and their own lives and actually connect with. I love the Joker movie. I haven't seen birds of prey. Bat I like it. But it might not be my favorite. Best the review and keep up the great Batman videos. I love them the most
I liked the movie just because of harley, and id be totally fine if they did a reset button as long as they kept margott as harley
As a fan of ONLY the movies that has never read a comic book in my life, Suicide Squad is amazing. Still hurts to hear people bash it over and over. I've watched it countless times. What DC is doing is making films for everyone, not just fans of the old comics. I love every movie Batman has ever been in. I passed on the Joker because it looks boring and I myself deal with mental illness and don't care to watch someone else go through those struggles. I want to see fantasy violence with characters like Batman and Joker fighting each other, I don't give a shit about their feelings. I think I will like Harley Quinn because she is one of my favorite characters and I love goofy fantasy super hero movies. Suicide Squad and the 2 Deadpool movies are the only super hero films I've truly enjoyed since the Dark Night trilogy. Some people like different things and I totally disagree on your opinions about the current state of the DC franchise.
Movies like that are the reasons they are in trouble. I said it so many times if they put the people that are in charge of their animated movies in charge of their live action movies they would be wonderful but they don't and we end up with movies like this
I had fun watching this movie. I don't think it was really a great movie or anything and they could have done a much better job on some of the characters... but I left the movie thinking "That was kind of fun to watch. I wish Huntress was in it a little more... but I liked Black Mask, Black Canary and Harley Quinn." I did not like Suicide Squad at all... I didn't see it until after I saw Birds of Prey though. I do wish they just did a Joker and Harley movie before Suicide Squad.
I also almost fell asleep. I also found the forced misogyny as weak writing. I'm all for women expressing what they deal with but that didn't feel right somehow, coulda been written differently.
I liked it but I think the problem with dceu and I think everyone notices it is that they are trying to force an mcu event on us and we don't even know half the characters they've shown us
Margot Robbie sabotaged it all, full creative control and WB bent to all her demands. Wanted to be Deadpool but that worked because it went to an 14/10 insanity while Birds of Prey had two F bombs beyond PG 13 to get R rating. Bottom line it was Harley Quinn and Birds of Prey, not Sirens or Joker involved because Robbie didn't want any other characters or actors to upstage her.
Would you of liked this plot for a Harley Quinn movie, Harley Quinn and Joker break up and they destroy Gotham trying to kill each other but ultimately end up together at end again because that's how life works all too often?
Yes I would dig that story. Two destructive love birds that leave a city in terror all based on their childish love games. Would be a fun crazy movie
@@NerdTherapy Could even include some Bird of Prey to help Harley and irritated with her bipolar bullshit but to not be killed put up with her for now. Then you could actually do a real BOP movie afterwards without them being second fiddle and more accurate.
@@NerdTherapy Plus a scene of Harley and Joker kissing with a Gotham on fire in background to close movie sums up their relationship in every form
Outside of the first 20 minutes or so I liked it well enough. I don't need to see it again tho and I like at least a Saturday afternoon rewatchability out of my comic book movies.
They didn’t need to bring the Birds into this thing. Just do the Sirens. What they did here didn’t make sense for the Birds.
The NerdFonz agreed. DC doesn’t have confidence in their characters by themselves which is a shame
Thats the beauty of people having opinions! I liked it better than Deadpool 2. The only problem I had was that they named it 'Birds of Pray'. From the beginning it should have been Harly Quinn: Birds of Pray. I bought the ' I shaved my balls for this' 😂😂
Haha hey fair enough!
Birds of Prey might not be a good movie, but it’s a fun movie. I was honestly just looking for a campy beat them up type movie. Plus, it was kinda my first true movie date, so I will have a soft spot for it. Wish the movie was more connected to the comic book, it was indeed the plot that hurt the movie. I think all the actors had so much potential, even Huntress and Cassandra Cain.
Coy Wickens haha awesome. Our first date movie was Ring 2 so it has a soft spot despite it being kinda bad.
I really liked this movie! I would say it is definitely in my top 5 DC movies. And I completely understand all the criticisms, but I had so much freakin' fun watching this! And (I know I am in the minority here) but I actually liked this better than the Deadpool movies. I would be interested to see what else they do with Huntress if Winstead keeps playing her. I think that if they spent time with her she would still make a great Huntress.
I enjoyed the movie.
The movie going back and forth switching from day to day is totally Harley! She literally says in the beginning “This is my story and I’m going to tell it the way I want too”. There’s so much going on in her head that’s she forgets parts and has to go back and tell the part she missed. That’s so Harley telling the story of this movie. I personally thought this movie was so good!
I went opening weekend to the large screen cinema there was less than 10 people in there which shows no one was excited.
I think the acting wasn't brilliant and some of the lines were a bit clunky.
Steven Hosie They didn’t help sell tickets leading up to release with those trailers and actors saying dumb things. Either way, i don’t think it will pick up steam based on word of mouth at this point.
Nerd Therapy I agree anyone I’ve spoken to has given it middling reviews
Agree 100%
Honestly I'd be okay if they just leave the joker out of the dceu entirely. Rather watch Harley become more of a hero and find a good relationship in a trilogy of movies.
I'd fall in the group that really enjoyed the movie. Had trips as well but were minimal compared to the rest of the lineup. Thought Ewan did a great job with Black Mask and the overall pace and look of the movie I to be enjoyable.
Top 3 dc movies shazam, birds, ww. Bottom 3 squad, JL, Aquaman
NDbportmanfan Oh that’s interesting you put Aquaman that low.
Out of curiosity, why do you think it’s bottom 3 material?
I’m not an Aquaman fan, myself. I’m just curious considering all the surprised positive responses I’ve seen that movie get.
@@someonerandom8552 well, personally I didn't care too much about the story. The outsider becoming king has been done a lot and I found it dull. I did enjoy the scenery and black manta was cool but that was about it.
NDbportmanfan Fair enough.
The problem with some of these DC movies is that the plot point is weak. They are trying to do WAY to much, throw out so much information in such little time. Batman v Superman had a weak complicated story line. In the end you didn't care if both characters lived or died. Justice league problem was weak story, not enough screen time for relationships between characters to be built up cause they were constantly jumping from location to location, action scene to action scene. Suicide squads problem was weak script and an even weaker villain. No character development at all. I mean there wasn't even a 5 second back story on Slipknot. He just shows up out of the blue with the rest of the bad guys and is immediately killed. Joker could have been great but his role was reduced to bring no more than a glorified cameo. Also everyone blames Jared Leto for the joker being bad. It wasn't his joker. If you go back and look at press interviews for Suicide Squad the director stated that everything about the Joker was his idea, his vision. The tattoos, the teeth, the clothes.
Did Black Mask have his mask made out of his father coffin still?
B’wana Beast I guess they hinted at his obsession with masks but I don’t think, atleast I don’t remember, them ever going into what his mask was all about. Doesn’t matter now though....because you know.
100% AGREE!
No love for Aquaman? That movie was the shit
Agreed with ur critique of birds of prey and i thought i was the only one who didnt like it lol.
If you read the comics then you would know that these characters are together which are a group called Birds Of Prey minus Harley Quinn because she pop up in the books now and then.... But you guys are not big DC comic book or probably not the TV show or animated films fans so you pretty much don't understand the concept of the film!!!!
james Little lol surely you understand we know that??? They forced a female cast thus chose to bring in BOP that has nothing to do with Harley Quinn, added Cassandra Cain (batgirl) who acted nothing like batgirl or Orphan like in the comics. Huntress and Black Canary were the only true BOP members but made one a joke and the other absolutely nothing like the Justice League member that BC is. Also, not having Barbara Gordon (Oracle) in it was a missed opportunity. Instead we got a little jewel thief that had no interesting qualities like her comic character Orphan.
Great suggestions, but they would have destroyed the narrative of the movie which was "girl power"!
Okay but this movie was based off of the recent comics not the animated series
Alina Jade Unfortunately, this movie didn’t know what it was based on. Either way Margot kills it at Harley.
@@NerdTherapy I don't know, I think it reflected the Connor/Palmiotti series pretty well, but yeah I agree she was awesome
You've got a better chance of Spider-man showing up than Joaquin's Joker
I disagree with you guys, but I respect your opinions
I liked the movie. I realise it’s not entirely comic accurate. But I was disappointed with the Suicide Squad movie last time. So maybe I’ve just learned to go in expecting a more “normie” offering.
Btw can anyone tell me how to get full episodes of the Harley Quinn animated series outside of the US (DC streaming is American only.) Nord VPN maybe?
Asking for a friend.
While a lot of people like the Joker movie I honestly agree that it’s a good movie but not a good Joker movie.
This is so interesting - because I really enjoyed this movie and didn't really care that much for Joker (you all seem to be the reverse). This movie was a ton of fun and was at least true to the movie version of Harley so far.
I think the movie is good, it's not the worst DCEU tho
I thought it was a little less then okay I’d say the first act was actually really good not amazing but there was effort there but we’re the movie fails for me is the lazy writing like u guys said perfect example of that is ewan mcgregors Roman sionis at first I really liked his character how quirky as passive aggressive he was then when the scene with him and the girl on the table happened is when this movie spiraled from okay this is fun to are we seriously doing this not god awful mostly thanks to ewan and margots performance
For some reason the movie did turn at that point. It almost felt like two different writers.
Nerd Therapy exactly It showed signs of a great Harley Quinn movie with birds of prey (should have been the title) but then they killed it with lazy and poorly written writing
I honestly didn’t enjoy the film, I’ve not been a fan of the palmiotti/Connor version in the comics, I feel HQ needs to be dark and psychotic rather than girly and fun and cartoonie. I won’t be going out of my way to watch it again.
They wanted her away from Joker so bad that shes now a completely different character. Let's see how Punchline fairs.
@@NerdTherapy oh I'm looking forward to punchline, as long as the creator intends her to be hardcore, I'll be happy. (sorry for inundating the comments). I also think with the DCEU, they've looked at harley being a popular character and totally honed in on assuming everyone would love her regardless of the film and its not gone right. I honestly enjoyed sonic so much more which is sad because I love DC so much and want to see it succeed. Also not helping is that the creators of the newer harley are blocking folk on twitter when they read a harsh comment on the depiction of harley. I just think it's should have been scrubbed and reset with James Gunn completely
@@ShevMcG I really think James Gunn will either be the birth or death of this Harley. He created an amazing group of characters in GOTG. Many whom where completely ridiculous before. If anyone can make this work its him.
I felt that it was for younger audiences too. Not sure why they didn't make it PG-13.
They should have. They could have scrapped a few scenes and let in their target audience.
Why does nobody get the point of this film
Because it didn't have one. Narrating through her eyes is fine but bringing the BOP in with her and getting the characters wrong is very confusing.
Man Of Steel and Batman V Superman was the best
Totally agree. It was the most boring DC movie i've seen so far. During the movie i thought about leaving the cinema.
Birds of Prey was meh at best.
One gripe would be in a cinematic universe full of super heroes and villians Harley takes on multiple police officers ,prisoners and gang members one after another without much/next to no struggle just isn't believable. In Batman v Superman Batfleck gets stabbed, knocked around and even though he wins he had to earn it. More believable, given the tactics shown in the scene and his martial background and YEARS of experiance fighting crime.
Harley Quinn movie was rated R
I couldn't disagree more, it was fun, funny, had heart. Way better than suicide squad by far. You can't compare joker to mainline dceu, this is meant to be cartoony and zany as told by Harley Quinn. The end credit is a nod to the harley Quinn cartoon on dc universe which is great. To each their own.
Glad you like it and the cartoon is really well done. We've enjoyed it.
It’s a Harley Quinn movie but the only one they actually showed with real problems was Huntress lol
Huntress coulda been the one character that coulda stole this whole movie if she was done right.
Huntress and Harley Quinn were the main characters of this movie. Cuz Black Canary felt like a throw in character. She was a boring character in this movie she just didn’t fit in the movie.
And I have to disagree with Shazam. Shazam sucked in my opinion. I like a lot of stupid movies and I laugh at a lot of dumb stuff. But Shazam just didn’t do it for me. That was the worst so far for me.
i really enjoyed it. i got sad when i saw your thumbnail.
Daniel Fernandez No need to get sad 😆 We can like different things and still be friends 🤝
Awesome awesome guys
I thought it was funny, although I really feel like they forced the F bomb a lot to appear edgy. I can see why comic book fans would be mad, but I just took it for what it's worth. I'm sorry, but the exchange with Huntress and Black Canary about the bow and arrow had me dying laughing! (and I'm almost quadruple the age of a middle schooler lol).
I saw the trailer and I’m like naaah. The jokes and ‘girl power’ seem so forced so I think I’ll skip it. I don’t want to see another Suicide Squad.
He pick you girl?
I love you guys, but hard disagree here.
I loved it.
And also have the opposite opinion of Joker and Suicide Squad.
lol maybe that's the red line. Joker that is.
They should’ve just named it Harley Quinn
Cookies Tv They should have dropped the birds of prey. It shows they had troubles writing a script by herself so they added a team up that made absolutely no historical sense.
I honestly didn’t think it was that bad. It was fun and looked amazing. I would definitely watch it again. It had its flaws but besides wonder woman and joker, it’s the best DC movie around
Hate that they are blaming men for its failure, when nearly 60% of the US audience in the first week was male. Repeatedly said the movie it’s not for men don’t be surprise when it fails. But you don’t get to blame them when it fails.
Ultimately what matters is if the end product is good...and it wasn't in our opinion. Them blaming anyone is as immature as the writing.
lynaem88 It was targeted to females but it repelled me so much 😂 My bf wants to watch it because of Margot but I literally have no reason. They just want to find excuses.
It was terrible I'm getting sick of movies telling me how bad men are and shoving identity politics down my throat
We need better writers. They need to go hawk the MCU writers.
@@NerdTherapy I completely agree
Yeah we men have had it so bad for so long, time to stand up to all these injustices! So sick of it! Women have had so much power for so long.
@@rodismantle2809 uh oh I think i have offended a soy boy it's ok drink your soy latte and watch the view
Memphis Dale awww soy boy? What a great insult. Ur doing suuuch a good job! A + plus comment posting! Sorry my sarcasm offended you sooo much. Here’s a bandaid for your lil owie! Wittle man doesn’t like when someone has a diffewent opinion!
Heard sooooo many bad things... so I’ll Redbox it lol
October Vallejo Always be your own judge but in our opinion it’s a rent
BUT the Joker was a great movie
@@octobervallejo6018 Yes indeed
I know everyone has their own opinions, but I'm so happy that most of the comic fans are on the same page, it really was a bad movie.
I wish they did a Stephan Sejic version is amazing and I’d love to see THAT HQ in a movie
Still early in that story but I could def see it as a movie
Damn it all. Love Harley.
Still think this movie was better than suicide squad...you want a good suicide squad movie watch the r rated animated film, so much better.
Carlos Perez That is definitely the best Suicide Squad movie. Perfect
I feel the same way! I have no idea how it has an 89% ...its a 65 tops.
idk I really liked this movie!!😅🤷♂️
The movie is my least favorite from DC so far and that is saying a lot since I really didn't like Suicide Squad at all.
I loved it. It’s my favourite DC film from the current batch.
The movie wasnt terrible but wasn't great either its my least favourite. Yes even suicide squad was better. Marrgot robbie is greatvas harley quinn but that was it the rest of cast have nothing to do. And black mask was completely wasted.the action was pritty good aswell. But the plot/story was so weak. i walked out entertained but it was just a nothing movie that i coukdnt care less about.
And canary cried once !? The ‘main’ characters were not main, it was a HQ showcase in different outfits. It was R rated when it really didn’t need to be. Argh, I could go on so long about how this is so bad.
Based on the material in the movie they shouldn't have made it a R rated film. If you are going with green comedy then allow that market to get into the theater lol
I didn't like suicide squad and got a similar feeling with the trailers of this movie. You just confirmed my suspicions about this movie
i have not seen it but i heard this was not good movie but maybe when i have sometime i will watch this movie not in a rush DC movies to me are trash
Whats with the joker hype movie was okay ....Phoenix was awesomeness Nothing to do with DCU...BTW going to BOP saturday
ray van krevel It’s past being hype. Well written, well acted, great cinematography and now rewarded for it. True it’s not technically in the DCU but that’s because WB was scared to release that kind of film. It is however their most profitable film to date. Hope you enjoy the movie!
Terrible i hate this type of stuff pandering to swj and pc culture i want my dc movies serious dark like the comics i like
it may be the worst movie i ever watched. like the single worst movie.
It was terrible....the end
I was so stressed by joker that I had to turn on my phone to feel that "this is not real, this is a movie...but this could be real..."😂😂😂
lets The sign of a well written story
@@NerdTherapy yes!!
The “All Men are Bad” Troupe ruined it for me, especially when that was that main plot of film in my view. And I noticed it was okay for Harley to commit all these violent acts without any repercussions. Cause woman.
lynaem88 It’s an immature plot point and these characters and universe deserve a better story.