hJune reviews THE CURRENT STATE & FUTURE OF RUST...
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Podcast hJune discusses with his community his views on how Rust is in it's current form.
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With discussion on how Rust was in the past, what he believes can be changed for the better and how devs are handling the current situation.
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This was spot on hJune! I remember back in the day you had to be really lucky to find some of the good stuff, searching for other players who had an AK, making plans to catch them off guard or raid them for it whenever that was possible. And when you made a play, basically the whole server would be chasing you for it. It was a blast and every wipe felt unique and different. That was what I liked as well about Rust.
every wipe is the same, roofcamping neighbour and offlined 2 days in lmao
@@voidinqrustBuild a stronger base 😂
theres alwasys someone with enough time to offline not matter what base u have @@hegzii2690
People fighting in prim for the first day or 2 was also very lit. Progression needs slowed down for sure!
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June, you are a treasure to the Rust community. For every update you give honest feedback with little to no bias behind your statements. As an aspiring creator you make me want to keep going. Thank you for what you do.
I agree but I would add that something needs to be done so players of same level are in the same area. I suggested many times to have nexus being T0 island, T1 island, T2 etc... I am 50, I've been playing this game forever. I will never be good at PvP, but I love it... However if I can be on a tiered island, I may encounter more people at my level and have more fun. At the moment I am the bitch of almost everybody. And different servers don't change that. The only option would be to play in a zerg, but at 50 hearing kids scream in discord is not really my thing... So in the end I play PvE with bots and raidable bases, this will never as good as real human interactions.
@@AlexDubois I'm playing PvE as well. I don't have the time to do what is required for normal servers and I'm too old to listen to 10 year old's talk about having sex with someone's mom in those screechy voices.
@@AlexDuboisNah man. That woudn’t be rust. And as he said, as long as you have a baseline level. The game doesn’t reward mechanical aim as much anymore in comparison to just playing smart. You barely need to be able to aim at all anymore. I want some skill put back into the game. Mixing player skill is part of what makes Rust so compelling, it creates storylines for everyone. You dominate one team and then meet the mystical ak team that’s barely in you’re area.
These Opinions are so valid. I stopped and started playing within the past 2 years and this is super refreshing to see. Hopefully facepunch really looks into this. Much love Hjune hopefully facepunch realizes your impact on the community. Last 4 years/8000 hours are fun but this needs to happen before i come back to the game.
Regarding trading, I played on some servers where trading via /trade was a plugin. Three major shops on the map were competing against each other, bidding for resources from players in the wilderness, having fun in chat, trying to undercut each other, and raiding each other over the price of Garage Doors. This was after a force wipe, so there was a ton of demand and scrap/fun to be had. Not sure what could be done on the progression side to stimulate these types of interactions organically over regular wipes, and not just force wipes. Still, it was a ton of fun, and trading is something that should be a bigger part of the game.
No T2 in the first 3-5h
Map should be covered in Fog ( like in Rise of Kingdoms or Boom beach)
Monuments should function different on 500 pop server. So that ur local mining outpost does not give u 500 scrap an hour. It should make better monuments more worth it going to.
That’s why the T2 tech tree should be reduced and some items should only be found in the world.
The T3 should have the old blueprint gamble ( only including good items) no car items or else.
@@RustyBear Imagine if they brought back the original maps you had to craft with paper haha. I remember so often planning out a raid or stalking people to mark their bases on my map. Dying with it was so awful feeling because if you had your own marked you were done for. Being able to spawn and just press G and be able to plan your entire wipe out in seconds feels kinda cheesy I guess.
@@nopsry9694 that would actually be fire
@@nopsry9694 imagine buying a high quality map from somwone who spend 6h goong around the map and drawing it for like 150 scarp 💀💀🗿
I agree with all in the video. I've stopped playing Rust because of work and because it is too difficult to play solo; being offlined because you can't play 24/7 is frustrating and lead to to quit the game forever. Furthermore, I guess developers have started to address the game to big groups and not to solo/small group experience.
Try The rusty workers solo sever! it has a raid window 6pm -12am i love it for work!
make some friends, i know that sounds harsh at first. but really games are really meant to be enjoyed with friends. you can create a band of brothers pretty easy with other players that are playing rust you can meet in game.
@@damonfedorick I was playing Rust with 5+ people constantly when i was 22. Like i had 4 groups of different friend circles (all IRL friends), so together like 20 people. But now im 28 and nobody wants to play rust anymore because everyone has a job, a wife, children or no free time for gaming. And honestly i don't want to play with other people, i had my good memories with my friends and im sure i can't replicate them, so i rather suffer solo some hours a month.
@@DarkSession6208 you are better of quitting if you are 28 xD
@@ratlord155 Why
2016-2017 Rust was just soooooo good man. It’s what made me fall in love with the game. Boots on the ground everyone spamming chat with “Roamers?”. You just don’t see that anymore man.
Bc pvp sucks now.
"roamers" spammers are cringe
@@zay7565 true, especially if they don't actually roam. I'd still much prefer that to the way things are now..
yeah. the fun part about pvp in games like rust or dayz is the surprise factor. you go to do an objective and oh shit theres people there, or on the way there, gotta win a fight now. people that are spamming "roamers" just so they can meet up somewhere and have a 15 second spray battle is boring, and idk how people enjoy playing the game like that.@@kennethpowers241
Man, I'm literally 45, started back in 2017, had no idea what was going, didn't even understand pvp, got mad and confused when I got killed, then got so mad, finally won a few fights at gas station brought home my first tommy and was strung out til around the time they brought oil rig on. It started feeling different. Then once the gay twitch kids started coming around I knew the glory days were over. At first me and my friends said we were going to grief and harass as many of them as we could at least off the servers we liked. But they were too many. DayZ has the only pvp that comes close to the old rust action. But I'm bad at DayZ . I get like 3 fights a day and I run for 5 hours. Also let's discuss the root causes for WW 1 and 2. Starting kinda with the Balfour Declaration, since it in many ways is a pivotal piece of both wars......
Outside world exploration needs to be REQUIRED to achieve maxed gear progression.
All top gear/items needs to be RNG loot in contested places.
Even more mini events that spawn specific types of items so you can target what you need but it’s visible for all.
No
anything they do to make the tech tree harder is just going to punish solos and not affect groups at all
sort of disagree with this whole video. I think Rust is an awesome and miraculous game and there's not really any issue with their game design and direction.
@@Lucas_Jeffrey you are delusional find some friends
Started my RUST journey end of XP start of BP system back in 2016/7. It was one of the first games I ever bought for PC and fell in love with it ever since racked up around 13k hours. My love for the game is defiantly still there I just feel like over the recent past few months it has been a lot harder to enjoy the game. I miss being boots on the ground running around fighting for loot when player pvp was at its best. Now it feels like everyone just farms up in their own little square on the map to offline or just afks until something happens near the comfort of their base. The risk and reward factor defo needs to be adjusted.
I would hate for rust to stay in its current state as it feels like an afk simulator :/
I wish the best for the game and for some sort of positive change to happen.
Honestly, just bring back BP System or make tech tree adjustments
Get rid of aim cone (bloom) and/or change the pattern again
limit windmills
lower timer on crates at rig/cargo/chinook
get rid of bag limit so people actually roam
adjust loot at all the older monuments so they are up to date with the newer ones such as arctic
team UI changes so there are some risk to having huge numbers such as being able to get ghosted
Me and my duo were talking about the good and bad to electric furnaces. I feel like since they have come out no one is out farming tree anymore. After the first couple days you don’t see anyone out anymore. Something as small as that limits interactions.
You mean it limits you from sneaking up on people and shooting them in the back.. let's be honest, that's not an interaction
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People still need charcoal for gp. But rather than farming milion trees I am still more likely to buy wood for stone from outpost and get like 100K wood so I don't have to farm it ever. Sucks to suck
Removing electric furnaces just because you can't grub people farming wood is pretty cringe.
I was kinda liking blooprints server on force this wipe where the server locked out workbench learning so everything had to be learned through research for the first week. got some ridiculous offers in drones/vending machines for people just looking for electric furnace, window, or w/e they needed. was really nice to see the grind there being different
Miss those early component only era. Think it was also no upkeep too. Upkeep and workbenches really changed the game for solo/small groups. Old wall stacking was legit.
Fr bro no upkeep, wall stacking, rushing AK was so much fun
I 100% agree with the monument part. I think it would be interesting if certain monuments were disabled until certain conditions, or even time based conditions, existed. I.e oil rig/launch site have a radiation zone that even hazmats can't protect from that lasts for 3 or 4 days after wipe (any of the tier 4 or 3 zones), and cargo won't spawn until 72 hours after wipe.
I also agree with the tech tree stuff, make base and utilitarian stuff tech tree, but explosives, meds, armor, and guns/ ammo aren't able to be tech tree'd. Furthermore, expand tier 1 and tier 2, and push tier 3 to a harder to reach place. Add more tier 1 guns and finally add tier 2 raiding utility. I've been saying since 2019 to my friends that I wished we had tier 2 raiding things to bridge the gap between tier 1 and 3. If you could spread out the tiers to last longer, you could also work around people not having access to higher tier stuff for longer.
Honestly, prim is one of the funnest stages of the game, and it lasts less than 30 minutes on fresh wipe on vanilla servers now and it's just stale AF. I think it would be cool if people were locked to prim for 1 to 2 days at least after wipe, and then tier 2 kind of lasted from day 2 to 5, and then tier 3 could take over from there.
Obviously this would be different server to server due to the population differences, like I enjoy trio and it would be different there than on a clan accessible server, but regardless I would like to see these kinds of changes one day.
They could also tie into the nexus system, and keep the "starting island" prim with only up to tier 2 monuments, and to get to tier 3 and 4 you would need to go to the next island, but there would be a decent price to get there, and it wouldn't be easy to get back. I dunno, just thinking out loud here now but those are my thoughts.
Remove helicopters, mlrs and return to fog of war to the map so people have to pick an area for your base wisely instead of having people just fly around raid and then fly back without any problems. I remember having to run back with full inventory and the possibility of getting back to the base was low.
i don't think they will remove helis but they could make them more expensive ..
@@himurakenshin8054 that just puts the solo further behind the clans
@@unlisted122 clans cant use mini they need scrappie
remove helis - 🤓 XDDDDDDDD
I like the Fog of War idea but the others? Not so much.
Excellent and insightful breakdown, I especially agree with your fond memories of the 2017 component era. Something about that system really drove social interactions in a different way they haven't managed to capture since, and as much as I love modern day Rust, I get a bit misty eyed thinking about the hilarious chaos of 2016-2017 that originally made me fall in love with this game
something i thought about a week ago is like it doesnt feel like a real survival game, eventually when you put hours into this game your wipe will be checking the map see were oil rig is get a spot near it , do oil rig as fast as possible get your AK and shit on players who are less efficient with there time getting your tier 3 as fast as possible then get your boom and raid everyone. i would like to see a kind of system that the first day of a weekly wipe will be prim so guns and boom cant be found ( monthly's maybe first 3 days of wipe ) and the only way to upgrade your simple bow is to get recourses to craft your crossbow or compound bow and nailgun and make it a little harder to craft the first day, also the map should be black and when you explore it getting unlocked so you never know exactly were monuments are untill you been there and its getting vissible on map. maybe even sulfer should not be added the first day so basicly , day 1 is only tier 1 items and no sulfer no hqm , day 2 you are able to craft tier 2 and find little bits of sulfer and hqm to slowly craft weapons this also unlocks tier 2 items from monuments and day 3 you are able to craft tier 3 and you are able to find more sulfer and hqm and tier 3 monuments can give tier 3 items. i think especially with weeklys this mean people at least stay till day 4 and then the real fun begins so they will stay till end of wipe because they have 3 days left to prepare and raid everyone. this also means time presure last days of wipe you have to act now and raid that clan because tomorrow will be wipe day again so you have to do an online, in stead of sitting on 30 rockets on wipe day waiting for the perfect moment to raid someone
I have about 8k hours and stopped playing over a year ago now. Team UI is one of the best suggestions you could ever make. Clans only benefit from this i feel like it used to be so fun without it and created lots of cool scenarios and gives the smaller groups a better chance in pvp since they don't have to worry so much about who they are shooting at but the large outnumbering groups do. It basically forces you to communicate and makes situations more intense.
I 100% agree with you. I feel like if they added something completely different to give people a reason to go outside, people wouldn't just hit a few barrels and go back to their base. They could potentially add a new tier of rockets that require new materials entirely, like a geode based progression. Same goes for ammo/gear. Adjust the damages of the current walls and explosions, add new building materials (not just skins), something over hqm and do the stat squash at the same time.
Same dude, best moments were pre bps and work benches. Learned to "like" them eventually as far as like not getting raided by top tier stuff immediately on wipe lol but ya, nothing beats the old ways
Exactly what the devs need to hear.
Rust progression is demotivating.
Like you said, "nothing is unique anymore" "all wipes are the same".
This also goes for bases which all look the same and you are also spot on, on content released always requires mindless zipline farming to unlock it.
Hope we can get Rust back
do you think they should change the building in rust? i think the building is one of rusts best parts, theres a significant skill gap between someone who looked up a youtube base an someone who can build. i really strongly think there should be a turret auth limit like bags or something to nerf the turret meta though
Man, I know this wasnt the focus of the video but none of these changes will negatively impact clans in a meaningful way, which just widens the gap between large groups and small ones even further.
Not gonna lie, I've been playing Rust since legacy. I've seen Rust go through all these different changes over the years. For me, I've 'quit' Rust maybe 3-5 times but always came back to the game because I've always enjoyed it. I was never really into the the pvp nature of the game and what not. However like you said.. I've always really enjoyed the variety ever wipe offered and the social interactions the game had. Now a days it feels like the community isn't at all like it used to be. No one talks to each other, people don't engage with each other without being toxic or immediately just killing you. This is always why I loved the the XP system because it offered WAY more interactions with people. You could craft an axe and gift it to a naked to farm and by him hitting a tree you would gain XP. It was so much fun. I just feel like the current system of rust progression now a days feels mundane and repetitive. That's why I got bored of it and do content atm, isn't revolving around playing an actual wipe. Spawn on beach > farm > build > farm > build > pvp > raid or get offlined or quit the wipe... repeat.
I agree with making tech tree harder. The cost of item research should be current values when researching a physical item at research table but then be 3-4X times more scrap to tech tree without having the item. Force people to go out and find the items they need. Also Flip L300 with AK on loot tables and tech tree. The L300 should be the tier-3 craft-able rifle for cost of rifle-body+4springs and 40HQM and the AK should be the military weapon only found in locked crates. The l300 needs to be used more and making it the craft gun and making it more affordable than AK will incentives people to run with l300's. The mp5 needs to be stronger, it needs a tighter aim-cone, more range and more damage so people want to use it over a Thompson.
I remember fighting over dome with p2s and customs like it was locked crate but now locked crates are like supermarket
After 5000 hours, The amount of cheaters and then removing skill/reward from learning the patterns, lost any type of enjoyment
this
Dude camomo put out a video where half the people he bans months later nothing still playing and making new accounts
12k hours ( old recoil) here. Same. I used to just shoot bots on PAT or UKN on nights after work to relax even if I didn't have time to play. It kept me sharp for weekend wipes and I really enjoyed it to the point I had to find new ways to relax in the evening after the change.
@@kennethpowers241just listening to music sitting in targets was mad chill with old recoil
The recoil situation is weird.
You had a lot of people that simply used mouse macros, bypassing recoil entirely...
On the other hand its an interesting mechanic to master and adds a lot to the game skillwise.
They took a look at the numbers and just toned it down a lot, so everyone was on the same level.
Its a better game overall with the mechanic, but for the amount of players that simply bought a better mouse to abuse it, they deemed the system not worthy of keeping.
Simply devalued players like you that actually learned it.
Bringing it back will bring back the problem.
@hJune what if they made it to where you couldn't craft t2/t3 until a certain amount of hours or days pass into wipe, relative to server length. These higher tier items could still be found and researched, but not crafted. This way teams would choose whether to risk the high tier item by using it to progress more quickly, sell it for a high price, or research it to guarantee that they're able to craft the gun when tier 3 becomes open to crafting.
Just started playing Rust again, last time I played was 2017 and I've only been back for a couple of weeks... Already your thoughts feel just so validated, Rust no longer seems as fun as it was back then
Great take on the state of Rust. In Alister's "What four things would you change in Rust" twitter post of a few wks ago, I said the game needs to be harder, progression needs to take longer, things (like workbenches and guns) need to cost more.
What i've noticed for new players like myself with little to no experience.. I personally think like if you play a monthly wipe, server, for example, the first 2-3 days should be Primlocked. The progression nowadays is day 1 get thompson and eco raid.
The focus on groups has been very detrimental, especially in a tough game - cos people group and cheat +++ and even a duo has so much advantage over a solo, never mind dozens grouped together.
As a solo i very much needed original compound bow and like silencer - thank you very much! But yes, the silenced bolty constant roof players are too common, and bad.
And i need to be able to tech tree in current times :( though i preferred before.
Get rid of teams (green dot) entirely or limit to 3?
But somehow they have to decrease offlines, it makes the game miserable and again I think its the constant support of teams +
(A solo doing an offline isnt so bad, sometimes necessary.)
I liked Rust as a very tough survival, exploration, deadly, very variable, solo, game.
Let us switch off camo skins again. And give me back sleeping bags.
Not playing this year.
We need more monuments. I'm not talking about new monuments on every map, but new varieties of green, blue, and red card monuments. We've had essentially the same 10 or so core monuments, and i'd really like to see new ones made. At the start of wipe, each map should have a randomized pick of 3 green, 3 blue, and 2 red card monuments, with at least 6 new options. I want to see a greater emphasis on red card monuments. Launch site puzzle is daunting and time-consuming, and the few elite crates at the top are not worth it when something like oil or mil tuns exists. We've also had the exact same water treatment for at least the past 6 years, same with airfieldd. in my opinion, puzzles and boots-on-the-ground monuments accessible to anyone with more than 10 rad protection were what made Rust a fun game. There was always PVP at the puzzles, and you used to have to build next to a "recycler" monument. These have largely been replaced by tunnels, which are owned by large groups with aks that rocket PvP constantly because you can get like 2500 scrap in an hour or so. I think the above-ground trains are a good addition, but the tunnels should be removed. Transportation should include for sure: horses, minicopter, scrap heli, RHIB, above ground train and small boat. I'm not particularly bullish or bearish on cars and submarines, cars are cool, but dealing with a 4 man in an almost indestructable camper is definitely not my thing. Attack Heli is cool but it's so out of place in the game that it should be removed. Tunnels need to go.
They should bring back fog of war from back in the days when the map had to be crafted before you could press the map hotkey. The seed needs to be encrypted and the map has to be hidden until you explored that certain area, so you dont know all the monument locations before you join in. You could fly around with the mini to catograph the map, and you could trade your knowledge where certain monuments are to other players, like a map in a vending machine.
Get rid of the helicopters, they wreck the immersion of the game being able to avoid combat.
@@unlisted122 🤓
Good points raised mate. Agree. I feel that guns are too easy to get…. A lot of people actually want to be prim locked a little longer. Extending that early game slightly by making minor tweaks, I think would help greatly. Like removing certain items from tech tree - guns, explosives, rocket etc. Limit scrap slightly.And as you mentioned too, access to high tier monuments shouldn’t be possible so early into wipe. 30 minutes and running rig is crazy. If you want more people and PVP in rad towns, limiting access to high tier monuments would help that hugely. Maybe those monuments don’t spawn until second day of wipe or the cards to run the monuments are harder to get. Also you shouldn’t be able to just buy cards, meaning you have to go to where they spawn to find one.
I agree with the tech tree part ..before the tech tree.. finding a gun or c4 brought a level of excitement..nd anxiety to get it back to base safely to reserch..now i cn just farm barrels for an hour and get everything...it takes out all the excitement from the game..i hope they atleast remove guns and booms from the tech tree
i have been playing rust since January, 2021, and i can say that i agree. When i started playing rust, the game was still in the stage of when you had o actually go out and fight for loot. And not just loot but the game didn't have so many clans and monuments for them to control, which made for a great story between groups because there wasn't that one group with 12 people offline raiding a duo. I remember before the addition of large group sizes on almost every server, tons of high tier monuments, and recoil change, every wipe had something different because there were so many rivalries and stories between everyone. I also agree with the fact of progression; the game is to easy right now, and its not fun. You get on a server, find a gun easily or just tech tree it, then you go and have shit rng while another kid with 2 hours beams you, and then you get offlined that night. They need to add more early wipe items, whether its low tier monuments, new early stage weapons, new strategies that arent one sided for clans. Its hard to believe that rust has thrown themselves in this hole within the last year and a half.
Everyone remembers being prim-locked all wipe "back in the day" and struggling to even piece together the scrap to build a T2, let alone learn anything off it. I think the combination of players getting better from experience as time goes on, plus the continuous power inflation and ease of tasks has added up to a game that's very short. It used to be shocking to see players with T2 weapons on day 1, and now getting AK on the first day is something a solo can very easily accomplish.
The population multiplier is one issue, but also we just need some straight up nerfs to loot/scrap gains. Or rather make stuff more expensive. It's just trivially-easy now to bang out the necessities by day 1 or 2 and be right at end game. This is supposed to take approximately a week for a good player, or so I thought when looking at wipe schedules. Now the server domination is basically decided by day 3 or so.
bro i thought there was an icecream truck outside with the background music 😭 kept looking outside
Silencers not giving you a hit marker in the direction your getting shot from is the biggest reason there broken the benefit should only be they can’t be heard so less likely to draw more players to you but give the person getting shot a chance to shoot back
Agree with the silencers. Me and my friends played for the first time in about 1/2 a year. We were roaming and all died, and didn't know what happened until we saw the death screen. Actually thought it was a hacker cutting his gun sound somehow until I checked for updates on the silencer.
Mostly good points. I slightly disagree with the thought that a change needs to "change the way they play the game". I don't think it needs a deep fundamental shakeup but slow down progression somehow.
I had the thought of time gating work benches, can't get tier 2 until maybe 3rd day of wipe, tier 3 maybe 5th (depending on length of wipe schedule)
This will nerf raiding, nerf offlineing and keep people on the server living there longer instead of just server hoping.
It does feel that most updates are for zergs lately and that sucks. Something to nerf them just raiding everyone off the server is needed. I think these servers are meant to be "lived" on for weeks but after a few days we get offline. No matter the base design.
Oh also, if time gating tier two make Sap tier one on the high end.
Imagine how much fun a few days where sap is the best craft-able gun.
Sap is still one of my go to guns
@orcristghost3204 same sap gun fights are so fun. Not over too fast, accurate and skill based.
@@Joellivin and cheap to make
im not trying to insult you or anything i swear but how many hours do you have? when i was new to the game a few years ago i would agree to this but i dont anymore, not everyone can evolve their life around rust and wait three days to shoot a tier 2 gun. also this would render every world event useless and make everyone have giant bases from doing nothing but farming
Honestly this is why I‘ve been playing console recently. More of the fundamental game and a playerbase that isn‘t min-maxing the game. It’s just more relaxing in general for some reason
very nice seeing creators talking about the rust problem on other platforms other than twitter
I also think that facepunch has been focussing on getting the skillgap closer. what i mean is, good players were always dominating and people that are new had a very small chance on winning from better players. What we've seen in the last couple years is updates towards a smaller skillgap (think of: recoil update, techtree, MLRS, turrets, etc.) all these updates makes players play the game safe and with less skill. this gives new players the space to not spend that much time learning the game but instead just use the meta strats out there (just using techtree, placing turrets farming and making a base isnt hard at all, with the buffed spray paterns you can just camp and easily hold anything) and now you still 'win'. this made it for 'better' players boring since you have no chance of winning in some scenario's, were it used to be winnable its now less likely because of the insane updates towards 'worst' players.... thats whats happening i feel like
Why should a new player be on par with someone who has 3k hours ? Making the game easy for beginners is braindead. In every game you start as a noob and you need to grind to get better. Same with Rust but now Rust is at a point where people with 300 hours can kill someone who has 10k which is ridiculous. Rust only went downhill since the recoil update.
@@shanghaifunk. yea thats what im saying, it used to be a game based on skill (playtime/large learning progress in multiple aspects). i agree with you that it only went downhill, i think its since the twitchdrops... in my eyes facepunch got a smell of making large amounts of money wich made them making decissions based on money and for the average player (i think the average player is largely doninated by people that are not that good at the game).
@@TeundeBoer-vd1dp Well I think always thought so too that their plan is to make the game more casual friendly so that they can get more players and therefor more money but the steam charts clearly show that the recoil change + the other newest updates really didn't increase the average player count by a significant amount. I would even argue that the Rust trend would be more hyped right now if they didn't make these changes. Since more and more people nowdays in the gaming industry actually care more about competetive games and not games that are easy to learn. Marketing the game to casuals was their biggest mistake in my opinion since they are also killing their streamers with it. One example is Warrior who used to be one of the best known Rust players with insane recoil control is now a fitness influencer because he quit Rust after it went to shit. Most Rust content creators don't like the game either but they have to play nice cause they need the money.
@@shanghaifunk. 100% agreed
Such a good idea. Having the tech tree being way more random would be a great possible solution. People would either have to buy guns early on for scrap(taking a fair risk, power that comes with risk), kill someone for a gun which is fine and this would incentivize more player interaction/shops for specific items that are far diwn tech tree for you. Not a bad idea at all, right not the game is stale as fuck and every server is dead day 2 if not earlier (modded 2x).
Hi June you probably won't even read this but you hit the nail on the head.
Problem with rust is progression,it happens too fast and game becomes repetitive. Hence why most people play a wipe 2 days and quit.
We should take ideas from similar games like ark and conan exile.
Introducing benches and unlockable "engrams". Example
To craft stone you should make a bench and craft mortar etc.
To craft guns make a bench that craft components then slowly allows you to make better guns.
To drive a heli ,should make missions or take lessons and get a licence first.
Also making game more unpredictable. Like obscure the map at spawn and you uncover the map as you travel through it,that would stop the rush for the best spot.
Also access to higher monuments could be made harder,in addition to cards and fuse maybe add something else needed to access ...I have many more ideas that could extend the progression.
Also offlining is a big issue. Structures should take 50% less damage after 15 mins last UI member disconnects and tc access should be maxed out to match UI ,8 man UI then Max 8 ppl auth to tc....
6 months later: we have a metal detector
A quarterly bp wipe on officials would help the whole progression thing, it would also probably help with seasonal/holiday wipes. Some groups are just to strong right from on the start of wipe.
Tech Tree is honestly the one change that could change everything, Imo it should not be removed but overlooked, maybe they should make it 2x och 2.5x more expensive than researching in the research bench, that would change the fundamental values of the game instantly.
Minicopters 110% need a nerf, less health more fuel consumption etc… one of the biggest challenges on console rust was having to leg it everywhere. Because legging it required risk, risk required gun fights guns fights bring a lot of pvp
I miss the days when you had the play the scrap "lottery" hoping to get the blueprint you wanted from a workbench, or else going out and finding it to research - I used to explore the whole map doing this and interacting with people, trading for the item or component I needed - it seemed that this random acquisition mechanic leveled the playing field a bit and it took the better part of a week for most people to gain tier 2. Now, it's just like you said - repetitive farm a road not leaving a square or 2 of area on the map to easily stockpile scrap and gain tier 2/3 without leaving the comfort of your base/area in a couple days. No player interaction/ kos from larger groups who don't have to farm because they just farm the farmers with their higher numbers and therefor faster progression in the game. As a solo, I used to be able to play a week or two of wipe consistently before I had to worry about being raided so It was something I looked forward to, I actually had the time to have actual experiences in game that made me want to keep going. Now, I only consider Rust a weekend game at best because 2 days is all I can manage before I'm raided by a group that ground out as much as I did in a tenth the time.
As someone who started in 2013 I agree with every point in this video. I do play rust again a lot now, and every wipe the tech tree progression feels too formulaic, and the gameplay outside of just PVP can feel like its not dynamic enough.
They need to have a better rust skin market through FP then selves and have it where they bring back old skins or have a sections for old skins that rotate and new skins that rotate through
Here’s a suggestion. For servers that are biweekly and monthly ad randomization to the progression system i.e. maybe 50% chance for no they want? there are some interesting ways that a randomization and or progression system to be implemented or tweaked. However moving forward he needs to be stated that balance changes will need to be factored in between solos and clans
I JUST WANT THEM TO AND A OPTION FOR SERVERS TO HAVE OTION FOR OLD RECOIL
it's literally one of the reasons i never play facepunch servers, loads of cheaters being blatant with little to no repercussion and by the time they get banned the damage has already been done
I quit rust years ago and wen I spoke about the problems with the game I was just told to "get good". All I had to do was wait and look where we are now.
Loved the Xp system. Actually had to grind to get top tier crafts
xp system was top tier and was slept on.
I don't know why, but I really liked the 2014 early experimental. It's when I have had the most fun.
A tech tree should be player based, not table based. Meaning, in example 3 player kills to unlock semi, 2 bear kills to unlock combat knife, 7 ai kills to unlock mp5. A workbench should be made only to make the items you have unlocked. Only things that should be auto learned are electricity. Scrap should be only used for things that can be bought at outposts/vending machines. Allow the research bench to still be in the game to learn items you pick up out in the world to skip having to do the “quest” that locks the item you want behind it. This is a very basic layout of what rust should be. Hjune needs to see this. Content creators have more pull to get things changed than each of us
I’m a high hour player for more than 5 years after the recoil update I’ve maybe played 5 hrs sad to see a great game go
I haven't played rust since just before they started adding electricity. Just started catching up on what's happening, and it seems like the devs have focused mostly on adding more stuff and ways to get stuff, which doesn't really enhance the core experience of the game.
I loved rust so much. When they go rid of the "skill based" play is were about where it lost me. I loved what you talked about cheaters cause its rampant in all FPS games and prolly all games in general. I saw a vid on EFT about how many cheaters on per game and it was something around 40+% of the player base cheating which I feel rust is as well. That is my biggest downfall to the game is cheating for me. Not sure how they can deter the cheating, but damn is it sad that people have to cheat.
I have to disagree with the "skill based" part. The skill was never removed from PvP since you still need situational awareness that only comes with skill. The change to recoil only leveled the playing field, it shouldn't take thousands of hours just to be able to shoot a gun in a straight line. All that serves the purpose of is killing off new players since they can't do shit for thousands for hours. Not everyone eats, sleeps and breathes rust (not everyones a UA-camr/streamer) and they shouldn't be punished for having other things in life besides the game. The new recoil levelled the playing field and content creators videos have proven that. It's bad enough being offlined constantly.
@@NexReloaded yawn. This is the most cold hot take that all thr people that couldn't beam used. It doesn't take skill to sneak up on someone and shove your tommy up their ass.
It didn't take thousands of hours to learn, maybe 200/500 to be better than most players with most guns if you spent some time on aim train. Or play a battlefield style server.
The fix for this is simple: make softcore servers with the new recoil and regular servers with old recoil. Eventually the noobs will join the higher skilled players. And if y'all shitty shots are really that skilled, use your magnificent god tier game semse to shove your tommy up their ass anyway if you really want to play that way.
@@NexReloaded I just wish they would give the option to use old recoil. Then old players could keep their progression and newer players could use the recoil designed for them. That way both sides get to lay down the hatchet and everyone can get what they want. Just a possible solution. One thing I think everyone can agree on though is the aimcone/bloom being so terrible even with attachments. 😅
@@NexReloaded most people dont even hit ak, now the games just boring for those who do, by the time ur consistently going t3 every wipe ud already have learned the recoil to keep up. assuming ur playing on a server with more than 10 people, which in that case just practice then
This is why I play bloolagoon 1.5x no tech tree after force for the first week. Vanilla rust is slightly too slow for me 1.5 is perfect. The server holds pop and there is a good amount of people who roam. It’s great. First week people talk and trade and there are an insane amount of shops and it’s just a great experience.
I'm no genius when it comes to Rust, but in my opinion i think progression is super important, since it promotes competition. But i always feel like the small groups have nothing to compete against the larger groups. And once again, i dont know how it can be changed, but i feel like there should be more stuff to help small groups, especially early game. In a 1v3 it just feels hopeless, because no matter how good you are, you will most times lose, same with a 3v5 or 3v6 you almost always just wont win, and i think this is why Grubbing is promoted so much, since they know its unwinnable fights, and they can even out the numbers by instantly killing a player with a double barrel, or some other ratty strategy.
Maybe im wrong, but this is how it feels for me when im playing, that there is too much power in numbers.
Cheating is the biggest issue for me and my friends. It seems soooooo easy to cheat for a longer period of time before EAC reacts. Its ok on community servers with active admins, but you can still lose so much before theyre banned and resolved. Our group have had so many good moments in this game around 2016-2018, but everyone but me left because of the cheaters. Its really sad, weve missed so many fun updates since 2018 that we couldve experienced had it not been for the big cheating problem.
Goood point all the latest stuff is all end game tech .We defo need some more prim stuff.
i agree with everything. ive even gotten sick of watching certain streamers/youtubers because its just the same thing over and over. i miss seeing variety
Is it possible to play on Xbox offline to be able to practice all monuments, building techniques and using gun on scientists?
True words, I dont play it anyomre since 2021, but I have 13k hours since 2015, and back then...
We used a hatchet to farm a box of wood.
I played since 2017, not much the last year now though. I preferred the roulette workbench instead of the tech tree, half the time you’d get lame stuff like floor spikes or cloths. Made you go out in the world and find stuff.
I think a new recoil system needs to come out because the thing is EVEN with the new recoil ALL my freinds wanna play is 10x and 3x because there new players and they just dont like how hard vannila is I dont think what they want is gun play to be easy i just think that vannila is just to hard because i have a TON of hours on this game and i am not alble to carry them on this kind of gunplay unless i build right next to oil rig because they first person to get a gun will win. if my team gets bows and our neighbors are more dedicated to farming scrap arent they will get the first gun. new players dont like buying a game just to spend the first hour farming scrap.
so good, I walked away from the game after years and years start of last year. I just logged on one time and realised I just was gonna be doing the same type of thing again... sometimes you get lucky and the game is real fun because of the people.... but so many times it just fizzles.
i agree with almost all of what you said. I think they should add a rust "moderate" mode, it would be a middle ground between hardcore servers and normal. i love the ideas for tech tree still existing but not having guns and other important things as that forces people to go out of their base and explore. I like the idea of removing the ability to buy mats with scrap but Imo they should keep things such as tools and the stone for wood and vice versa. I 100% agree with reworking certain loot tables and say the crates that spawn on oilrig have better loot than the boxes that spawn on the road, to me the fact they give the same type of loot makes oil feel more risky because why risk a highly contested monument when i can get the same crates off the road.
i actually thought about an xp system and this could change the way rust is at first it would feel like heavily modded and then it would feel a lot better than the current state.
Upload this to your main channel hJune
You are spot on, one of the things that changed is the unpredictability of Rust. Every wipe there's a different story to tell, however... now it just feels repetitive, boring, bland, cheap and predictable.
I’ve really wanted to get Rust for the first time recently, but from what I’ve seen as feedback from regular players/content creators I’m convinced to not buy it yet. Which is such a shame.
Can anyone convince me why I should get the game now vs waiting? I’m mostly interested in player interaction.
At this point, Rust needs more than "4 quick changes" to bring it back to an actually enjoyable state. Whether they pay for changes or not, some of the things they've added in the past months / year just aren't made nor fit the game. Rust has went in a completely different direction from it's beginnings
I would like map to be all blurred until you discover the area
By far the best and most organized take I've seen on this topic. Well done hJune the GOAT. I'm with you that progression just has to change. Servers die out quickly, and the fact that it's pretty straight forward getting to end-game gear by the end of day one is ridiculous. Rust just doesn't feel like a struggle or like survival anymore. I would love to see most of the tech tree removed... it doesn't have to be everything, but at least the major items the speed up the progression, and therefore the death, of a server. One cool idea I saw, though likely impractical, is making different types of scrap. You could use these different types to tech tree the smaller things like electrical branch, furnace, etc. And different monuments would be more heavy in different types of scrap, forcing you to travel and hit a variety of monuments.
This was a really good take hjune. Im glad people are speaking up about the current state of rust. Imo the game went on a massive decline since tech tree. It is just a scrap rat race and theres no longer any excitement finding huge items/BPs at monuments and having to run it back to base. I think another major major problem with the game is that they continue to introduce new content at the already high ceiling that only clans or individuals that play all day will get (attack heli is the best example). Im not sure what the thinking is? Keep progressing these players higher in tech until theyre shitting on fresh spawns from space with ships or satallites? They need to add more content to early or mid game that makes progression more enjoyable. Ive also said the same about the tech tree, remove all guns or high quality items. Its fine for simple BPs. I also think oilrig and cargo need a complete rework... maybe only turning on days into a wipe or requiring an elaborate set of steps to activate. They are way to simple to run early on and then later to be held by big groups that run it on a timer.
good suggestions tbh... hope they implement at least some of them
For me all i need is to have 3 first day of wipe be, tier 1 day, tier 2 day, 3 day, tier 3 unlock. I dont wanna see one whit good gun day 1 ever again.
The fact that they're asking about small fixes means that the devs only want a quick fix to the game, and haven't thought that years of bad updates has been ruining their game.
I enjoy rust in 2023 and i've been playing since 2016. Also there are different servers to match you're playstyle.
If you want to just go guns plazing for a day or 2 from you 2by2 then a 2times server or a modded server would be your bet. If you want to build a large base, have a mixture of fun but also calm moments where u can interact with your server or setup RP shops or among other things then Rusty moose monthly or rustoria monthly is your bet.
Weekly vanilla servers do die in like 2 days so if u want want weekend fun on a vanilla server then a weekly server is for you.
Thing's I would take away or nerf in the game is the tubes that suck loot into your base from furnaces etc. I would also make it where u can only have 5 players in your team in order to nerf big clans a little bit. I would also up the price in minicopters and now the new helicopters that way people aren't safely free roaming in the game.
I play on moose monthly and biweekly and i've completely forgotten about blue prints since i never have to farm them. I enjoy having No BP's because me and my trio can go straight from farming for a base, getting comps for guns and then focus on pvp and raiding.
my main problem is just the lack of onlines you get, I've been onlined 2 times in 2000 hours over 2-3 years, and they cant fix it with the game they have now, if they make boom easier to get then everyone will get offlined, they make boom harder then no one will online because they don't want to lose all their progress, they just need to make rust back to what it was, where you could actually get good pvp where you don't get roofcamped and people actually take guns out of their base because to get a kit you cant run the roads for 5 minutes
we need lvl 1 scrap on tier 1 monument, lvl 2 scrap on tier 2 monument, lvl 3 scrap on tier 3 monument
so people need to come to every tier monument to , so that we get more interaction plyer with player
lvl 1 scrap to unlock lvl 1 bench
lvl 2 scrap to unlock lvl 2 bench bp
etc…
2021 was the best year in rust
Content creators are the BIGGEST voice in gaming communities. We need to be channeling our ideas and benefits for the game through the creators to get our points across.
I don’t think you understand that it’s easy for you, postys, and taculars but it actually hard for other people to progress. Rust does need to fix its system but for new players it’s going to make it hell.
I mean... I can say for a certainty that the recoil changes made me roam more.
The base map needs better terrain generation because every map is just the same with small changes.
Rust will never die simply for the fact that there is no game like it. However the game is becoming harder and harder to enjoy especially for new players or solo/duo teams. The game is catering to clans and large groups there needs to be some sort of middle ground.
its still good game in my opinion. i agree about the drone and outpost, but it really comes down to how you play the game. living a simple life in a fishing shack or a small farm, painting a picture here and there. don't need to kill everyone all the time to have fun in this game. maybe next time you see a naked, invite them in for a cup of tea instead of shooting them in the head. just maybe you'll find a friend and maybe even a lover.
Purchasing items from outpost should be randomized and have a limit of how much is sold.
The only thing that caused me to stop playing rust are the cheaters. There is no point to be creative with your TC placement as they can ESP and see exactly where it is. I started playing on official servers which I loved but the cheaters and how much they get away with just ruined the time I was putting into the game. If they fixed this one thing, I'd be back on board again with playing.
i agree with that its stupid they add end game stuff that has no value to the experience. i remember when they released comp bow and it was so fun!
Tech tree shouldn’t be the only way of progression, yet it is. The only other way I’ve seen for progressing in this game is farming and gathering the shit on your own (which is near impossible and always has been especially now with huge clans) or being a rat. It’s pain, pure pain.
Have more location driven quests (force people to explore and do stuff)
Yea i wish they had unlocks. Like as the month goes on. Things start to open up. We should be in prim way longer than 10 minutes. And then as the month goes on it gets more and more monuments tonopen up and you progress from prim to tier 1 to tier 3. To the end where bradleys roam the road and the jets fly the sky and blow everything up for wipe. Thats my take on it