@TheVileEye for sure. I didn't want to sound like that guy lol I quite enjoy your videos. But still wasn't sure if u had misspoke or overlooked that fact lol. Keep up the amazing vids
The 4 children by other women were servant's of his two wives, who they sent to mother more children by Jacob for them to raise as their own. Rachel and Leah competed for Jacob in this way, but counting the other children as Rachel and Leah's respectively makes sense since they were raised by those two and considered their own children. The children's actual mothers were those servant's, but those children were only born on behalf of the wife who owned that particular servant. Not arguing any point. The history is just interesting.
@@TheVileEyeAn idea for a potential future video would be Hannibal Lecter from the TV Series Hannibal, I know you covered the film version but I believe the TV version is rather underrated (honestly superior to his movie counterpart) and would make for an interesting video
@@zaja2418 God is the arbiter of life and death. He has the authority to give and take life. The true blame with the death of the innocent lay not with God but with Pharao, God merely enforced the consequences of his actions. You could draw a comparison to WWII. The blame for all the German civilian deaths at the hand of the allies lays not with them but with Hitler who refused to surrender.
Reframing the relationship of Moses and Ramseys as extremely close brothers was a genius stroke by the writers. It adds such a layer of depth to the characters and their relationship
And Moses crying after his people were let go at the cost of the firstborn. You can see that he never wanted this to happen to the people he once called his own.; Even though this was the result of Rameses's stubbornness, a part of Moses felt like it was his fault for not trying harder.
It’s a great story between the two until the deaths of the first born and singing “miracles” right after. Kinda hard to sympathize to those who worship a child killing entity. Also. No evidence of exodus actually happening. Great story. Complete fiction.
And so what? You were fine with Pharaoh murdering the Israelites' firstborn? God never wanted to murder of the Egyptian Firstborn. Theres a reason why that was Plague TEN and not Plague ONE. It was Pharaoh's pride that escalated to his downfall, and since his heart was already tilted on one scale, God let his heart to harden till the end. The difference between the killing of the Hebrews' Firstborn and the Egyptian Firstborn is that God WAITED. Unlike the first Pharaoh in the beginning of Exodus, God gave PLENTY of chances to let Pharaoh release His people. Dont blame God for a broken world that Humanity chose in rebellion, when He sent His son to die for us even though we did not deserve to be saved.@@Jim87_36
And so what? You were fine with Pharaoh murdering the Israelites' firstborn? God never wanted to murder of the Egyptian Firstborn. Theres a reason why that was Plague TEN and not Plague ONE. It was Pharaoh's pride that escalated to his downfall, and since his heart was already tilted on one scale, God let his heart to harden till the end. The difference between the killing of the Hebrews' Firstborn and the Egyptian Firstborn is that God WAITED. Unlike the first Pharaoh in the beginning of Exodus, God gave PLENTY of chances to let Pharaoh release His people. Dont blame God for a broken world that Humanity chose in rebellion, when He sent His son to die for us even though we did not deserve to be saved.@Jim87_36
"One weak link can break the chain of a mighty dynasty!" That one line began to petrify Rameses's heart. He just never felt like he could live up or beyond his father's expectations. Just goes to show that parents' words will, for better or worse, change their child forever. Thank you for covering Prince of Egypt. It's one of my favorite movies. I take it you won't cover The Ten Commandments?
I want an alternate film where Moses says "Don't be like you'r old man, let my people go" and Rameses responds "Yeah he was an horrible old c*nt. Let's free the slaves and then go for a pint". Cut to credits.
It affected him so much that, much later, he screams at Moses: "I will not be the weak link!" Even years later, way after his father is dead, those words still haunt him severely.
There are so many amazing things about Rameses's character that are shown and not told. The fact that he built his own statue to be twice the size of his father's. The silent stages of grief he goes through in the seconds after Moses gives him the ring back. The pain in his voice when he reminisces about the days from his a Moses's youth, even after the plagues have begun. He truly is one of the greatest and most layered villains to ever hit the big screen.
@@UnderratedBurnyBadger I also noticed subtle details of Rameses’ father always looking down on him such as the painting and statues always being placed above him. And even Rameses resting place when he talks to Moses is in the lap of his father’s statue. Great subtlety in an amazing movie
@@loganthomas2421And when Moses asks Rameses what he sees when he looks out the window, Rameses replies “A greater Egypt than that of my father.” Ralph Fiennes’ delivery of that line strongly implies that it’s something of a delicate subject for Rameses.
@@Struggler-e6h you are missing the order of events, Pharaoh hardened his hart first then chose to reject Moses' pleas and then God hardened it afterwards to punish him and Egypt. He chose to reject the pleas and then the displays of God's power and authority. He held pharaoh accountable for his choices and actions after all his cruelty and from rejecting God.
@@avroarchitect1793 Irrelevant, he would’ve chose a different option if it wasn’t for god. It was a violation of free will and caused collective punishment to the people of Egypt who were not responsible for the pharaohs actions, so much for a just and loving god.
Funny how people say that while DreamWorks has made some pretty good animated movies as well as writing some amazing villains, its very first movie (well, after Antz…) was declared one of the best in both.
I believe Ramses was more of a sympathetic villain than an "evil-for-the-sake of-being-evil" despot. He was always pressured by his father to not be the "weak link" in the chain of Pharaohnic dynasties, and while Ramses was overjoyed by Moses' return, his refusal to accept that 1) Things could never be the same between them and 2) There was a power (God) greater than Pharaoh set him on the path to ruin.
@@Stussmeister Maybe if God had revealed himself to Pharaoh via burning bush he would have changed his tune. But then that would ruin the story of good vs bad.
@@rouninpanda6318 Possibly, yes, though Ramses and his high priests (Hotep and Huy) seemed to believe that their Egyptian gods were the "Big Boys" and felt that Moses' God didn't have the power to put them on the run.
It’s worth saying that most Christian and Jewish archaeologists don’t think that Rameses I was the Pharaoh of the Exodus. If anything, the Exodus probably happened between three and five hundred years before Ramses rule. But after Cecil B. DeMille used him as the villain for two separate movies about the Exodus, he definitely has become the favorite choice of pop culture.
Exactly. On top of this, the Egyptians were known for outright trying to erase the names of rulers who either brought about disaster to the state or bucked the religious caste (we would know nothing of Aten and his son Tutankhamen were it not for the discovery of the latter's tomb, after all). I do recall someone mentioning that, for a time, the people who lived in what's now Sudan ruled over the people of Egypt for a time, and although it can't be confirmed it could be assumed that these people wouldn't know anything of Joseph and his contributions to the region's survival.
@@shinigamimiroku3723That practice was called the "damnation of memory", and there was a period of 100 years where Kush had invaded and taken over Egypt. That being said, its believed that we have figured out the Pharoah's identity, and the proof is extremely interesting. Of the 18th Dynasty, the Pharoah Amenhotop II. His father would have been Thutmos III, the only Pharoah of the correct time period who ruled for more than 40 years, making Thutmos III the Pharoah who ordered the killing of the babies in the first place when Moses was put into the basket. There's more if you're interested.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 well, considering the Exodus has no historical evidence it doesn't really matter. It is just Biblical fiction, with archeologists failing to find Isrealite artifacts, remains or anything dating back before from the Roman occupation of North Africa.
One of Humanity's biggest flaw is that it tends to learn many hard truths too slowly and that in this story that the failure to not recognize your fellow man is one as old as humanity itself for all they have to do is see that we all bleed red and makes you no different then the kings and queens who sit on a throne. Thank you VE for this was another one of my early picks and my next suggestion for your next video is this: -Handsome Jack from Borderlands.
I remember seeing this film in a packed theater shortly after it came out. When the scene where Ramses tells Moses that he and the Hebrews can leave came on, Mom hugged me. I learned many years later that she suffered from several miscarriages before my younger brother and I were born. Whoever animated that moment and Ralph Fiennes’ performance nailed it.
I still remember seeing this with my dad on Christmas Eve, it was very somber with only a handful of people. From the beginning till the end I was captivated by the visuals, voice work and especially the music. And although I’m not religious, this is still one of my favourites.
1 detail about Moses being in the Nile river worth noting: The Nile River is central to the Egyptian's mythology and worldviews, so they probably saw baby Moses float in a basket to the palace of their god-king Pharoah as a Divine act. And of course, the Israelites upon hearing that this baby who was put into the Nile River and who not only didn't die but was adopted into the Egyptian palace as a Prince, would probably assume he had the backing of their God, and began assuming he was going to free them from slavery and make other good things happen to them.
That and one thing that the movie changed was that in the Book, Moses was always aware he was a Hebrew. And it's implied that his killing of that one Egyptian who was beating another Hebrew to death was more intentional One character flaw of the actual Moses that wasn't really established in this movie was his infamously bad temper. A temper so bad enough that he was punished to never enter the promised land in life because he beat a rock twice after God commanded him to speak to it.
I love Burrow's lecture on the nile.. they even played the song on an episode of Sopranos, where every part is cut to one of the main characters, so accurately with Burrows iconic voice over music.
I find it interesting how they did Ramses here. Instead of Just making him a power hungry control freak, they make him misguided by the fact his father once criticized him as a “ Weak Link” and that messed with his head
A couple of key points that the Prince Of Egypt omitted, as do countless other films, was that: #1: Moses felt he was an inadequate speaker, and thus God assigned Moses' older brother Aaron as a spokesman for him. - Exodus 4:10-16. #2: Moses was not the young man that was shown in the film, but rather 80 years old when the Exodus began, and his brother Aaron was 83 years old, for Moses had fled from Egypt at the age of 40 and spent 4 decades in Midian. - Exodus 7:7, Acts 7:30-34. #3: It was Aaron, not Moses, who performed the sign of turning his staff into a snake before Pharoah, and who started the first 3 plagues of Egypt. - Exodus 7:8-13,19-21,8:5,6,16,17.
Yeah, admittedly it would be interesting if they had Aarom work alongside Moses early on. Establish their rebuilding relationship as brothers and Aaron becoming the future High Priest.
What? No In the Quran, Moses was the one who was given the miracle of the snake staff. #1 and #2 are correct Moses is too holy of a person (Prophet!!) to be depicted in an animated or drawn format in the first place. It is disrespectful I mean is his story not good enough for people? Is people's attention span so short that it NEEDS to be adapted in a movie format?
Funny thing: they try to exonerate the christian deity from mess with pharaoh's free willl, regardless he explicity is said to be the one who hardened his heart in the bible...
@@zanir2387 god wanted to demonstrate his power over all of creation to Egypt and the Hebrews, the Pharoah gave up sooner than he expected so he hardened his heart so the show could go on
This is one of the greatest animated films ever made. The relationship between Ramses and Moses - as it was framed in the movie - was very well done. Their love for each other was extremely gut wrenching and tragic as it felt like their destinies and callings based on their blood pulled them in opposite directions based on obligations. Ramses is pursuing greatness and to maintain Egypt’s foothold as a world power. He just wants his little brother by his side. He never cared that Moses is descended from the very same people he is enslaving. He genuinely loves Moses. Ramses doesn’t even realize he is wrong and that is horrifying in its own right. This movie was brilliant. Also the Plagues song was a BANGER!
Great analysis. Seeing this as a larger picture than just individual stories really helps highlight the evil, the injustice, and tragedy when taken as a unified whole. It just impresses me even more just how powerful stories are. The world changes, but humans make the same mistakes and harm one another when we could have done so much more to help people who are suffering. Hopefully, we can learn how to overcome the shadows of the human soul someday.
In my mind I find it more plausible for Amunhotep II to have been the pharaoh who drove his forces into the Red Sea. The timeline just adds up so much better than if it were Ramses II. Even so, they did so well to characterize the pharaoh in this movie, that I believe the inconsistencies between this movie and real life should be forgiven, it’s so good.
Considering there is absolutely no archaeological proof that the Jewish tribe spent any considerable time in Egypt in servitude, the timeline will never make sense.
@ This is untrue I think, though they weren’t called by the name “Israelites”, if I can recall correctly, there are records of a people in the Egyptian lands who they REALLY were not fond of around the time when he was alive. There’s nothing I know of right now that says the Hyksos were slaves, in this case I believe the absence of evidence should not be considered evidence of absence on there part; as the place where they would have likely been staying (the east nile delta region of Egypt) with it’s alluvial mud, combined with the moist climatic conditions of the area would mean little would survive of most people’s presence at all. I should also like to mention that during the time Hatshepsut was reigning (referred to herself as pharaoh’s daughter) she had a “commoner” adviser named: Senenmut who was brought up in the Egyptian court, and was close enough to the woman to be considered royalty, who also disappeared around the age of 40, if memory serves correctly. I wonder who he might be referred to as in the “good book” should the timeline match up correctly?
That and the archaelogical evidence we find is just a small surviving minority of stuff from those periods due to a vast variety of conditions. Especially since the Exodus explicitly mentions that the Hebrews took a lot of stuff with them.
I'm not one to get into the religious side of the movie but I'm genuinely impressed with the movie's art, animation, and music. This movie is an incredibly underrated gem.
The religious side of the movie makes no sense. I don’t know how anyone can watch this movie and not come out with the conclusion that the story is purely metaphorical. Moses’ staff turns into a snake and Ramses, Hotep and Huy don’t care a single bit. There’s also not a single given reason why God couldn’t come down as a vision for Ramses and confront him.
@@spencerlane415the story starts making a lot more sense when you consider that the Israelites just made the story of Exodus up as propaganda to make themselves look more badass and their god more credible on the eastern Mediterranean stage, especially in opposition to Canaan. The whole point of the story is literally just: "Our God is so powerful, he brought the mighty empire of Egypt to its knees. Also, we're claiming ourselves as the rightful owners of your land, we just couldn't do it before because we were enslaved by Egypt. Don't question it, just give us Jericho and nobody gets hurt. Have we mentioned our god is more powerful than yours?"
@@spencerlane415the story starts making a lot more sense when you consider that the Israelites just made the story of Exodus up as propaganda to make themselves look more badass and their god more credible on the eastern Mediterranean stage, especially in opposition to Canaan. The whole point of the story is literally just: "Our God is so powerful, he brought the mighty empire of Egypt to its knees. Also, we're claiming ourselves as the rightful owners of your land, we just couldn't do it before because we were enslaved by Egypt. Don't question it, just give us Jericho and nobody gets hurt. Have we mentioned our god is more powerful than yours?"
@@spencerlane415the story starts making a lot more sense when you consider that the Israelites just made the story of Exodus up to make themselves look more badass and their god more credible on the eastern Mediterranean stage, especially in opposition to Canaan. The whole point of the story is literally just: "Our God is so powerful, he brought the mighty empire of Egypt to its knees. Also, we're claiming ourselves as the rightful owners of your land, we just couldn't do it before because we were enslaved by Egypt. Don't question it, just give us Jericho and nobody gets hurt. Have we mentioned our god is more powerful than yours?"
One thing that the movie failed to mention (understandably so, due to time constraints) was that after nearly every plague, Pharaoh begged Moses to ask God to stop the plague, which Moses would do, the plague would cease, and then Pharaoh would go back on his word, or make impossible ultimatums. God was merciful each time and stopped each plague when Moses asked, giving Pharaoh every opportunity to do the right thing. But he wouldn’t. And at the very last plague Pharaoh’s child paid the price for their father’s hardened heart. Goes to show that there’s a price to pay when one takes God’s grace for granted. Awesome job, VE! 👏🏻
God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, he didn't have the option or choice to "do the right thing", he was just doing what God wanted. God wanted all those Plagues to happen, it was his plan.
@@branhan215124 That's how I interpreted it the first time I read it as a child and every time since. Maybe it's a poor translation, but it seems pretty transparent in this context where God is actively interfering on Earth, including taking the lives of children, that He was actively hardening Pharaoh's heart to move the story in a particular direction.
Also could mean god's actions had hardened Pharaoh's heart. As in it was a consequence of his actions. Not the intended result. even if he predicted it would happen.
@@kieranforde3787 Of course I've always considered that, but it doesn't fit rhetorically. Can you think of any other verses in the Bible where this ambiguity exists regarding God?
Hope to see these covered some day: - Joe Cooper (Killer Joe) - Nino Brown (New Jack City) - Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors) - Spider-Man 3 villains (Sandman and Venom) - Dr. X (from the Operation: Mindcrime albums by Queensrÿche)
Now that you mention a villain from a concept album, I was thinking that Mr. Self-Destruct/The Ruiner from The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails would also be interesting to see.
Thank you for also covering Joseph King of Dreams as a lot of people who marathon all the DreamWorks films skip that one entirely because it’s a direct to dvd movie, even DreamWorks themselves don’t count it as it’s not on their website
YESSS! After so long of patience it’s here! Thank you for this upload, this movie sure is important to me! While here, could a potential coverage be on Saruman from The Tolkien Legendarium?
To be honest, if you look at the Ten Commandments version of Ramese, he makes the Prince of Egypts version look like Jesus in comparison. No pun indeed.
I've never watched a single one of this guy's videos and from what I've heard about the Prince of Egypt, it seems legendary. This analysis seems amazing.
I think this is the best feature length animated film I've ever seen. All the technical stuff to the side the plot and the characters were superb. Rameses doesn't start out as someone who deserves our dislike, he's someone who wants to prove himself, but he's blind to the harm he does to those around him and his desire to be more than his father and not be the "weak link" gives him more substance as a villain than most animated villains in other movies. He's willing to commit genocide to make a point. All this makes this movie good and makes the liberation of the Hebrews all the more moving.
His son and many other children died. I watched Christian Bale's Exodus the guy who played as Ramses was like the one in the animation but they portrayed as soldiers the reactions he made to events around Moses were human, finding out he was a Israelite or Hebrew, putting a sword in Moses horse when he banished him to give Moses a fighting chance against assassins sent after him, telling Moses he could slowly free the slaves but got incensed at a foreign god telling him what to do, every plague, crisis and then the death of the Egyptians first born children. My favourite scene is when he is told that none of the Israelites children by Moses the sheer horror in his face had him stunned and seeing his wife in a trance like state playing with the baby carriage turned his grief to rage. Even his own men followed thru fear
The Lord works in mysterious ways. I start getting into the mood of watching this movie again that I haven’t seen in forever and then you come out with this video. This can’t be a coincidence.
The lord works by killing an innocent child instead of actually confronting the man enslaving your people with a vision… but he didn’t…. Because the whole story is a METAPHOR.
@@DonManuelHasLeonsJacket It’s kind of pathetic that you took time out of your day to mock another person’s faith in religion. If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. Don’t judge other people for their beliefs.
It's indisputable how unfair it is that Seti passed away at peace and remembered as a great man and ruler, while his son Rameses, who he mentally abused and pretty much indocrinated, was the one who had to suffer God's wrath.
it was still Rameses’ choice to harden his heart and God hardened it the rest of the way to a point God gave up on saving Him. He could’ve softened his heart and let the slaves go because they are his brother’s family, but he didn’t. Rameses became a psychopath.
Seti was punished. His greatest fear, that his son would fail to maintain his empire, came true. His legacy was pretty much burned to ashes at the end of the movie, and he takes fault for every choice Ramses made due to him pressuring Ramses to maintain and grow Egypt after his passing.
I LOVE this film! I'm an atheist, but this still gives me goosebumps when he finds the burning bush. And the whole dynamic between Moses and Rameses gets me right in the feels every time, lol! I need to watch it again! Gonna get the kids all snuggled up on the couch, in front of the fireplace, with some hot cocoa and snacks, and put this movie on tonight! Great video, BTW. Like just about EVERY video you put out there (I can't say literally every one ONLY because I haven't seen them all, so I can't HONESTLY say that). Keep them coming, and I'll keep watching! P.S. You should try narrating audio books and/or voice acting work, you have an AMAZING and distinctive voice. I'd love to hear you read The Lord of the Rings. It would be EPIC! Pun definitely intended, lol
@The1andOnlyWog kudos for to you for appreciating a good film based on a Christian teaching even while being an atheist. I know a lot of atheists that would not be willing to consider the film on its merits - let alone talk about it aloud and be willing to share it with their kids. If I can ask, why do you believe in atheism? I know conversations over the internet are not generally respectful or honest, but I am genuinely interested in better understanding your rationale.
@jacobhacker6404 I would love to discuss it, but I don't think this is an appropriate venue for that discussion. Let's just say I'm more of a "soft" atheist. I don't believe that there is no God, I'm just not convinced. And I don't "hate" god or religious people. I think there are a lot of really good lessons in the Bible. But there are also a lot of things in it that are outright wrong or immoral. It's hard to express where I stand on the issue without someone stepping in and calling me evil or insulting me for simply having a different opinion.
@@The1andOnlyWog I understand. I have entered into 5 conversations over such topics (not including this one) over the past couple of months. 1 of them was a very good conversation with a "hard" atheist who just wasn't militant about it. The rest got about two response deep before they just simply stopped replying. I imagine I know the topics you mean when you say there are stuff in the bible that is immoral. In my experience, those who call those areas "immoral" don't fully understand the context and/or the actual direction being given the commands. I don't mean to insult your intelligence when I say that. It has however been my experience that such topics require a not insignificant amount of study and thought to truly grasp and most people don't put forth the effort. If you wish to avoid details though, there is a question at the route cause of the disagreement that hopefully we can discuss. Who determines what is moral?
Some villains you could analyze: -Roose Bolton from GOT -Principality of Zeon from Mobile Suit Gundam -I know you already covered V for Vendetta, but i would like you to make videos specially on the Norsefire Party, and the characters of Adam Sutler and Peter Creedy -The Major, from Hellsing -John Du Pont, from Foxcatcher -Shogo Makishima, from Psycho Pass
I love the foreshadowing of Moses and Rameses' destinies: "Moses, you will never have to carry a burden like the crown I will pass to Rameses. He must not allow himself to be lead astray. Not even by you, my son."
2:59 - If I recall correctly, what Ham did was "uncover Noah's nakedness". What this means is explained by Moses later when he explained the law to the Israelites in Leviticus. "The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness." -Leviticus 18:8. This means that Ham had relations with his own mother. The reason why Noah curses Canaan is because he is the son of that incestuous relation.
Hebraic idioms. Hebrews love using idioms to explaim things. Might just be an ANE convention in general. But yeah, given tradition states that the five books of the Torah were written around the same time, it would make sense that they would use idioms in one book that they later explain in a later book.
The Hebrew word used for uncover in Leviticus is “galal” and has an entirely different meaning than the one in Genesis (“raah”). Iirc, Ham’s punishment comes from him not covering his father during his drunkenness, instead he went to grab his other brothers. Literally his brothers aren’t cursed because they enter in backwards and don’t see their father naked. There’s absolutely no evidence that Ham slept with Noah’s wife 😂
Analysing evil: shang tsung from mortal kombat Analysing evil: Ultron from age of ultron Analysing evil: Darkseid from DC comics Analysing evil: the covenant from halo
Analyzing Evil: Askeladd from Vinland Saga Analyzing Evil: Leyland Palmer from Twin Peaks Analyzing Evil: Big Boss from Metal Gear (namely MG1 and 2) Analyzing Evil: Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles Analyzing Evil: Shira from Blade of the Immortal Analyzing Evil: Bloody Harry from Gungrave Analyzing Evil: Kazundo Gouda from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Analyzing Evil: Chouji Suitengu from Speed Grapher
When I listen to your wrap ups of the video it gives heavy “Jerry’s final thoughts” vibes… like you’re gone tell us a diabolical deprived story and then end it off with “take care of yourselves and each other” energy 🤣🤣🤣love it
Glad I got here early because The Prince of Egypt is one of my favourite movies! Since I grew up in a Christian household, The Prince of Egypt and Joseph: King of Dreams were mandatory viewing for me and my sister. Thank you so much, Vile Eye, for making this video because The Prince of Egypt is an underrated masterpiece that deserves more respect. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! 🙏🏾
An interesting bit, the Pharoh Ahmenhotep II lines up pretty closely to expdus, including Egypt being ruined in his reign, his firstborn not succeeding him, and his other son having to go to war for the procurment of slaves and resources due to a sudden loss of labor.
@@zaja2418 Moses wasn't evil, the Midianites betrayed the Israelites and sided with the evil Moabites against Israel. Moses was acting in self defense.
@@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist Yeah, I'm pretty sure those virgin girls he took as booty and the boys and women he ordered killed was an act of self-defense.
The Prince of Egypt was, is, and will always be one of the best animated features to ever exist. Everything about it is majestically stirring, captivating, and emotionally gripping.
'' I am aware that I can have an entire channel dedicated solely to villains portrayed by Ralph Fiennes'' proceeds to do The Prince of Egypt with a character voiced by Ralph Fiennes
I had to put this video off for a couple of weeks to sit down, and rewatch the movie twice, on separate occasions. It has been a long time since I watched it as a kid growing up.
Since you covered the evil in Prince of Egypt, you should also look into The Ten Commandments. It's another very deep and character-driven interpretation of the story of Moses, and it has more forces of evil to review like Nefertiri and Dathan
@gmm7852 Personally, I think either Aligned (Cybertron Games/TF: Prime) or IDW 2005 Megatron would make for a better video, but it's a good idea nonetheless.
I don't think D-16 was as unreasonable as other continuity versions of Megatron. Plus we are literally talking crap on a branded slave turned revolutionary.
To be honest I understand Rameses dilemma of maintaining tradition due to negative parental experience. Especially when your own father makes you feel small and unworthy of your birthright. I don't defend his actions as a terrible Pharaoh. But I can understand his personal insecurities and low self esteem.
Amazing video as always, Given how similar their stories are, I hope you do an analysis evil on Fire Lord Sozin from Avatar. Especially With new information from the new novel, reckoning of Roku. Because Sozin and Roku Story reminds me a lot of Moses and Ramses from this film I’ll be the only difference here is that Roku and Sozin aren’t brothers!
If someone hasn’t said it, it’s nice to see you giving your essay in person intermittently. Glad you’re in a position to do so mentally and financially.
Analyzing it from outside of biblical teaching, God definitely feels like a secondary villain. The plagues are pure evil but Moses has no choice but to go along with it for the goal of freeing his people.
I think the film emphasizes the real tragedy of the story of Exdous. Moses and ramses were raised as BROTHERS. and tht is the core of the story. Moses could've easily become Pharoah(at least in the Charlton Heston version.) Whereas here he knows he will never get the the thrones becise even seti says he will never have to carry the burden of his crown. Once Moses finds out the birth of his heritage he begins to doubt everything. He kills a man(accidentally or otherwise) and runs in to the dessert. After that he integrates with the Midians and marries his wife and then finally meets God. (The burning bush scene is the vest scene in PoE) He then knows his purposes and fulfills his god given role to lead his people form slavery. All the while cresting this HUGE wedge between Moses and ramses. If you take notice you'll see that Moses takes after his mother and ramses clearly takes after his father. Ramses place of comfort is always in his father's lap. Whenever we see him and mosses talk, ramses is either in the shadow, or sitting in the lap of a statue of his father. Moses, when he finds out the truth, his mother is the only one to actually comfort him. She finds him by the nile where he was found all those years ago and one lyrics that has always hit close to home to me is her line "when the gods send you a blessing you don't ask why it was sent" Everything about this film is amazing. It is my comfort film it is my go to. All the songs amazing. As I get older the song "look through heavens eyes" becomes more and more special to me and real.
The musical adaptation adds more songs in for individual characters. Moses gets one after the plagues about the pressure of being one of the only to survive. Nefertari gets one after the plagues about mourning the loss of her son silently. Rameses has a lot more songs that show how much he loves Moses. It does remove the two Priests and make them one who is far more nefarious and takes more direct action as the musical changes the ending some. Ramses tries to stop the pursuit into the Red Sea but the priest calls the army to continue. Its a good adaptation.
This is one of the most insightful videos of "The Prince of Egypt" you've ever done. I've always watched it every year for Passover and it still amazes me how it layers and humanizes the Exodus story. Ramses really was a sympathetic villain who not only was obsessed with his father's approval, but also wanted to be better than his father (hence why his statue is bigger than his father's). But all it got to him was nothing but prideful stubbornness to the point where he refuses to acknowledge the suffering around Egypt or even listen to his brother's warnings. All of this could have been avoided if either his father hadn't called him a "weak link" or even just took the time to listen to Moses so his own son wouldn't have been a victim to one of the plagues. He's a cautionary tale of when we become too involved in ourselves that we refuse to do good acts for others.
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Another driving force behind Rameses is insecurity. Rameses is determined above all else to create a stronger dynasty than his father did. If you compare the view of Egypt when Moses and Rameses are talking when compared to the same view earlier in the movie, you'll notice that Rameses has built a statue of himself next to his father but his is significantly larger and the city as a whole has also grown in. Yet when there's a close-up of Rameses, his father's statue is still overlooking him. Despite having been dead for years, Seti still looms over his son like a dark cloud, amd no matter how much bigger he makes the kingdom, Rameses cannot shake the thought that it isn't enough. That is why he refuses to free the Hebrews, because in his mind, anything that can be considered a sign of weakness will make him the weak link in the chain
What a fantastic movie. I would LOVE to see an analyzation of Captain Flint from Black Sails. I think you would have a field day with that entire character roster
I loveddd both the King of Egypt and Joseph the King of Dreams growing up! The songs were so good, animation style was beautiful and the voice acting was powerful.
I would also like to suggest some potential candidates for this channel: Alan Jonah from Godzilla: King of the Monsters Walter Simmons from Godzilla vs Kong Colonel Preston Packard from Kong: Skull Island Megatron and Sentinel Prime from Transformers One and the Bayverse movies Carlton Drake and the Riot Symbiote from Venom (2018) Doctor Doom from Marvel Comics Martin Walker from White House Down
About the cursing of Canaan, the original (Hebrew) writing of the story is only seen similarly in a later verse related to laws against incest (or at least condemning it), so what some theologians think is that Ham could have possibly slept with well... his mother. This is just a theory though, but it does make sense that translators may alter the wording in translation because of how wild it is to think about.
The anatomy of your soul is seperate from the imperfections of our earthly bodies. Similar to how music is at its core, a deeply "spiritual" state outside of time and space. Not trying to sound condescending, but there are a lot of reasons why people connected to these stories for ages.
I always thought the brother aspect made for good drama. Brothers grow up together, live together, share with each other, and I can still grow apart. That was one change to the original story that I can get behind
This story in Exodus always confused me a little, I still don't quite fully understand the meaning behind God hardening the heart of Pharaoh each time before the passing of the next great plague, so my question is, did Pharaoh really have free will to ever let the people to go? Or did God always intend for him to fail completely??
He did it to show his power even that my sound off but God has a reason to everything and an answer and I also believe he wanted to show Pharaoh that he was God because Egypt believed in false gods and every pleg was an attack on their gods
Easily one of the fastest clicks on one of your videos I've ever done. Im still holding out for a Negan and Rick Grimes episode but i would very much enjoy more episodes on the same subject matter as Prince of Egypt. These stories are Incredibly fascinating to me.
He didnt have 10 sons by leah but 6. He had 4 by 2 other women
My fault, thank you for pointing this out!
@TheVileEye for sure. I didn't want to sound like that guy lol I quite enjoy your videos. But still wasn't sure if u had misspoke or overlooked that fact lol. Keep up the amazing vids
The 4 children by other women were servant's of his two wives, who they sent to mother more children by Jacob for them to raise as their own. Rachel and Leah competed for Jacob in this way, but counting the other children as Rachel and Leah's respectively makes sense since they were raised by those two and considered their own children. The children's actual mothers were those servant's, but those children were only born on behalf of the wife who owned that particular servant.
Not arguing any point. The history is just interesting.
@@johnpadilla9422 I never considered that. Thanks for the perspective
@@TheVileEyeAn idea for a potential future video would be Hannibal Lecter from the TV Series Hannibal, I know you covered the film version but I believe the TV version is rather underrated (honestly superior to his movie counterpart) and would make for an interesting video
“They were only slaves.” will always be one of the most spine chilling simple lines I’ve ever heard in a movie.
Of course, Patrick Stewart is best known for playing Captain Picard on Star Trek: The Next Generation, but first he was a Shakespearean actor!
Pharaoh speaks
And the way Moses walks away visibly disgusted by his father. One of the best scenes in the movie
I found the Angel of Death killing innocent children as punishment for the actions of a select few even more chilling, but what do I know, right?
@@zaja2418 God is the arbiter of life and death. He has the authority to give and take life. The true blame with the death of the innocent lay not with God but with Pharao, God merely enforced the consequences of his actions. You could draw a comparison to WWII. The blame for all the German civilian deaths at the hand of the allies lays not with them but with Hitler who refused to surrender.
Reframing the relationship of Moses and Ramseys as extremely close brothers was a genius stroke by the writers. It adds such a layer of depth to the characters and their relationship
Ramses: “We were brothers once!”
Moses: “Once.”
I mean DreamWorks did it better but the 50s film The Ten Commandments also had Moses as a Prince of Egypt
Making Ramseys legit be PLEADING almost to have Moses be his brother again chef kiss.
Brilliant acting by everyone
And the animation
Um. The story in this isn’t from the Bible. It’s more the Muslim version of the Bible.
And Moses crying after his people were let go at the cost of the firstborn. You can see that he never wanted this to happen to the people he once called his own.; Even though this was the result of Rameses's stubbornness, a part of Moses felt like it was his fault for not trying harder.
TPoE works because of its sincerity, something a lot of movies don’t do anymore
EXCELLENT THE VILE EYE 👁🗨 ANALYSIS EVIL 😈 PRINCE OF EGYPT WORK.
It’s a great story between the two until the deaths of the first born and singing “miracles” right after.
Kinda hard to sympathize to those who worship a child killing entity.
Also. No evidence of exodus actually happening. Great story. Complete fiction.
Wrong. It works because it's religious propaganda.
And so what? You were fine with Pharaoh murdering the Israelites' firstborn?
God never wanted to murder of the Egyptian Firstborn. Theres a reason why that was Plague TEN and not Plague ONE. It was Pharaoh's pride that escalated to his downfall, and since his heart was already tilted on one scale, God let his heart to harden till the end.
The difference between the killing of the Hebrews' Firstborn and the Egyptian Firstborn is that God WAITED. Unlike the first Pharaoh in the beginning of Exodus, God gave PLENTY of chances to let Pharaoh release His people. Dont blame God for a broken world that Humanity chose in rebellion, when He sent His son to die for us even though we did not deserve to be saved.@@Jim87_36
And so what? You were fine with Pharaoh murdering the Israelites' firstborn?
God never wanted to murder of the Egyptian Firstborn. Theres a reason why that was Plague TEN and not Plague ONE. It was Pharaoh's pride that escalated to his downfall, and since his heart was already tilted on one scale, God let his heart to harden till the end.
The difference between the killing of the Hebrews' Firstborn and the Egyptian Firstborn is that God WAITED. Unlike the first Pharaoh in the beginning of Exodus, God gave PLENTY of chances to let Pharaoh release His people. Dont blame God for a broken world that Humanity chose in rebellion, when He sent His son to die for us even though we did not deserve to be saved.@Jim87_36
"One weak link can break the chain of a mighty dynasty!" That one line began to petrify Rameses's heart. He just never felt like he could live up or beyond his father's expectations. Just goes to show that parents' words will, for better or worse, change their child forever.
Thank you for covering Prince of Egypt. It's one of my favorite movies. I take it you won't cover The Ten Commandments?
I want an alternate film where Moses says "Don't be like you'r old man, let my people go" and Rameses responds "Yeah he was an horrible old c*nt. Let's free the slaves and then go for a pint". Cut to credits.
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That line being spoken by none other than Patrick Stewart. Perfection.
It affected him so much that, much later, he screams at Moses: "I will not be the weak link!"
Even years later, way after his father is dead, those words still haunt him severely.
God is the ultimate monster, however. Waiting around the corner for you to fall so he can devour you. A true demon.
There are so many amazing things about Rameses's character that are shown and not told. The fact that he built his own statue to be twice the size of his father's. The silent stages of grief he goes through in the seconds after Moses gives him the ring back. The pain in his voice when he reminisces about the days from his a Moses's youth, even after the plagues have begun.
He truly is one of the greatest and most layered villains to ever hit the big screen.
@@UnderratedBurnyBadger I also noticed subtle details of Rameses’ father always looking down on him such as the painting and statues always being placed above him. And even Rameses resting place when he talks to Moses is in the lap of his father’s statue. Great subtlety in an amazing movie
@@loganthomas2421And when Moses asks Rameses what he sees when he looks out the window, Rameses replies “A greater Egypt than that of my father.” Ralph Fiennes’ delivery of that line strongly implies that it’s something of a delicate subject for Rameses.
I view god as the villain in the story because he hardened the pharaohs heart
@@Struggler-e6h you are missing the order of events, Pharaoh hardened his hart first then chose to reject Moses' pleas and then God hardened it afterwards to punish him and Egypt. He chose to reject the pleas and then the displays of God's power and authority. He held pharaoh accountable for his choices and actions after all his cruelty and from rejecting God.
@@avroarchitect1793 Irrelevant, he would’ve chose a different option if it wasn’t for god. It was a violation of free will and caused collective punishment to the people of Egypt who were not responsible for the pharaohs actions, so much for a just and loving god.
One of the BEST animated films in my lifetime! Best actors, best songs, best scores, best EVERYTHING!
You're definitely a christian cultist huh?
I'm atheist and it's my fav also
The actors are earoupons not Egyptians or Hebrew which is weird for a movie like this
Agree. One of my favorite movies.
This movie should've received Oscars and Emmys for its acting and animations.
It came out in a time that didn't take animation that seriously, I think.
The best animated movie Oscar didn't start for a couple years after this when Shrek won
Honestly, had the Best Animated Feature Oscar existed in the 90s, it probably could’ve been the winner.
Pretty sure When You Believe got an award, so that’s something.
@@jasonbelstone3427It appears from modern award shows it still isn’t
The Prince of Egypt is an amazing film. Dreamworks was COOKING back then. I can't wait to dive into this.
Dreamworks is still cooking, judging by Puss in Boots.
This was Katzenberg’s passion project. The one Disney would not allow him to make. And it shows.
Dreamworks are always great cooks. It's just their marketing that I find awful
Yeeesss Ramses is one of the best dreamworks villains. Thanks vile
Funny how people say that while DreamWorks has made some pretty good animated movies as well as writing some amazing villains, its very first movie (well, after Antz…) was declared one of the best in both.
Joseph King of Dreams went hard for a direct to video animated film
I believe Ramses was more of a sympathetic villain than an "evil-for-the-sake of-being-evil" despot. He was always pressured by his father to not be the "weak link" in the chain of Pharaohnic dynasties, and while Ramses was overjoyed by Moses' return, his refusal to accept that 1) Things could never be the same between them and 2) There was a power (God) greater than Pharaoh set him on the path to ruin.
@@Stussmeister Maybe if God had revealed himself to Pharaoh via burning bush he would have changed his tune. But then that would ruin the story of good vs bad.
@@rouninpanda6318 pharaoh believed he was God that's why he didn't care about Moses god & that's why he keep on attacking moses true family
@@rouninpanda6318 At best he would shrug it off. The Pharaoh was considered the reincarnation of a God.
@@rouninpanda6318 Possibly, yes, though Ramses and his high priests (Hotep and Huy) seemed to believe that their Egyptian gods were the "Big Boys" and felt that Moses' God didn't have the power to put them on the run.
@@Stussmeister I imagine it would probably go a little something like: ''you're playing with the big bo-'' *gets muted by God himself
It’s worth saying that most Christian and Jewish archaeologists don’t think that Rameses I was the Pharaoh of the Exodus. If anything, the Exodus probably happened between three and five hundred years before Ramses rule.
But after Cecil B. DeMille used him as the villain for two separate movies about the Exodus, he definitely has become the favorite choice of pop culture.
So who do you think. Ramses was the Pharaoh when the storage cities where built wasn’t he?
Exactly. On top of this, the Egyptians were known for outright trying to erase the names of rulers who either brought about disaster to the state or bucked the religious caste (we would know nothing of Aten and his son Tutankhamen were it not for the discovery of the latter's tomb, after all).
I do recall someone mentioning that, for a time, the people who lived in what's now Sudan ruled over the people of Egypt for a time, and although it can't be confirmed it could be assumed that these people wouldn't know anything of Joseph and his contributions to the region's survival.
@@shinigamimiroku3723That practice was called the "damnation of memory", and there was a period of 100 years where Kush had invaded and taken over Egypt.
That being said, its believed that we have figured out the Pharoah's identity, and the proof is extremely interesting. Of the 18th Dynasty, the Pharoah Amenhotop II. His father would have been Thutmos III, the only Pharoah of the correct time period who ruled for more than 40 years, making Thutmos III the Pharoah who ordered the killing of the babies in the first place when Moses was put into the basket.
There's more if you're interested.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 well, considering the Exodus has no historical evidence it doesn't really matter. It is just Biblical fiction, with archeologists failing to find Isrealite artifacts, remains or anything dating back before from the Roman occupation of North Africa.
@@themonolougist in the bible there is the truth, God bless you!
One of Humanity's biggest flaw is that it tends to learn many hard truths too slowly and that in this story that the failure to not recognize your fellow man is one as old as humanity itself for all they have to do is see that we all bleed red and makes you no different then the kings and queens who sit on a throne.
Thank you VE for this was another one of my early picks and my next suggestion for your next video is this:
-Handsome Jack from Borderlands.
I feel like that's our biggest sin
Yep oppression really never last. As when people rise up to fight against it no one should be surprised by the blood shed.
I remember seeing this film in a packed theater shortly after it came out.
When the scene where Ramses tells Moses that he and the Hebrews can leave came on, Mom hugged me.
I learned many years later that she suffered from several miscarriages before my younger brother and I were born.
Whoever animated that moment and Ralph Fiennes’ performance nailed it.
I still remember seeing this with my dad on Christmas Eve, it was very somber with only a handful of people. From the beginning till the end I was captivated by the visuals, voice work and especially the music. And although I’m not religious, this is still one of my favourites.
1 detail about Moses being in the Nile river worth noting:
The Nile River is central to the Egyptian's mythology and worldviews, so they probably saw baby Moses float in a basket to the palace of their god-king Pharoah as a Divine act.
And of course, the Israelites upon hearing that this baby who was put into the Nile River and who not only didn't die but was adopted into the Egyptian palace as a Prince, would probably assume he had the backing of their God, and began assuming he was going to free them from slavery and make other good things happen to them.
That and one thing that the movie changed was that in the Book, Moses was always aware he was a Hebrew. And it's implied that his killing of that one Egyptian who was beating another Hebrew to death was more intentional
One character flaw of the actual Moses that wasn't really established in this movie was his infamously bad temper. A temper so bad enough that he was punished to never enter the promised land in life because he beat a rock twice after God commanded him to speak to it.
I love Burrow's lecture on the nile.. they even played the song on an episode of Sopranos, where every part is cut to one of the main characters, so accurately with Burrows iconic voice over music.
I find it interesting how they did Ramses here. Instead of Just making him a power hungry control freak, they make him misguided by the fact his father once criticized him as a “ Weak Link” and that messed with his head
Yeah that is nice. He’s more of an antagonist than a villain. Ramses is one of my favorite antagonists.
A couple of key points that the Prince Of Egypt omitted, as do countless other films, was that:
#1: Moses felt he was an inadequate speaker, and thus God assigned Moses' older brother Aaron as a spokesman for him. - Exodus 4:10-16.
#2: Moses was not the young man that was shown in the film, but rather 80 years old when the Exodus began, and his brother Aaron was 83 years old, for Moses had fled from Egypt at the age of 40 and spent 4 decades in Midian. - Exodus 7:7, Acts 7:30-34.
#3: It was Aaron, not Moses, who performed the sign of turning his staff into a snake before Pharoah, and who started the first 3 plagues of Egypt. - Exodus 7:8-13,19-21,8:5,6,16,17.
Yeah, admittedly it would be interesting if they had Aarom work alongside Moses early on. Establish their rebuilding relationship as brothers and Aaron becoming the future High Priest.
What? No
In the Quran, Moses was the one who was given the miracle of the snake staff. #1 and #2 are correct
Moses is too holy of a person (Prophet!!) to be depicted in an animated or drawn format in the first place. It is disrespectful
I mean is his story not good enough for people? Is people's attention span so short that it NEEDS to be adapted in a movie format?
The early OT ages are all over the place. I don't think it's certain that their 80 years are our 80 years.
The Quran isn’t truth
"Then let my heart be hardened and nevermind how high the cost may grow. This will still be so: I will never let your people go"
Stephen Schwartz was on fire with this project. It’s probably his best batch of songs, and that’s saying quite a lot.
@@gelchert Not to mention Hans Zimmer's immaculate score!
Funny thing: they try to exonerate the christian deity from mess with pharaoh's free willl, regardless he explicity is said to be the one who hardened his heart in the bible...
@@zanir2387 god wanted to demonstrate his power over all of creation to Egypt and the Hebrews, the Pharoah gave up sooner than he expected so he hardened his heart so the show could go on
@@zanir2387 There is actually a deeper theological explanation for this if you'd like to hear it.
Being a catholic my whole life, I will say this film is absolutely beautiful.
As an atheist sience birth, I agree!
@@Teppo_HacknåEveryone is Muslim starting at birth, which is why converts are also called reverts. Don't try to make your subhumanity normal.
As a baptist since birth, hell yeah!
Oh, you proudly support Pedophilia? That's pretty disgusting my guy
As a protestant since birth, I concur
This is one of the greatest animated films ever made. The relationship between Ramses and Moses - as it was framed in the movie - was very well done. Their love for each other was extremely gut wrenching and tragic as it felt like their destinies and callings based on their blood pulled them in opposite directions based on obligations. Ramses is pursuing greatness and to maintain Egypt’s foothold as a world power. He just wants his little brother by his side. He never cared that Moses is descended from the very same people he is enslaving. He genuinely loves Moses. Ramses doesn’t even realize he is wrong and that is horrifying in its own right. This movie was brilliant.
Also the Plagues song was a BANGER!
An underrated gem! Been waiting For this one SO LONG! thanks vile. This film is a masterpiece! Thanks For giving it the attention it deserves
Great analysis. Seeing this as a larger picture than just individual stories really helps highlight the evil, the injustice, and tragedy when taken as a unified whole. It just impresses me even more just how powerful stories are. The world changes, but humans make the same mistakes and harm one another when we could have done so much more to help people who are suffering. Hopefully, we can learn how to overcome the shadows of the human soul someday.
In my mind I find it more plausible for Amunhotep II to have been the pharaoh who drove his forces into the Red Sea. The timeline just adds up so much better than if it were Ramses II. Even so, they did so well to characterize the pharaoh in this movie, that I believe the inconsistencies between this movie and real life should be forgiven, it’s so good.
Considering there is absolutely no archaeological proof that the Jewish tribe spent any considerable time in Egypt in servitude, the timeline will never make sense.
@ This is untrue I think, though they weren’t called by the name “Israelites”, if I can recall correctly, there are records of a people in the Egyptian lands who they REALLY were not fond of around the time when he was alive. There’s nothing I know of right now that says the Hyksos were slaves, in this case I believe the absence of evidence should not be considered evidence of absence on there part; as the place where they would have likely been staying (the east nile delta region of Egypt) with it’s alluvial mud, combined with the moist climatic conditions of the area would mean little would survive of most people’s presence at all. I should also like to mention that during the time Hatshepsut was reigning (referred to herself as pharaoh’s daughter) she had a “commoner” adviser named: Senenmut
who was brought up in the Egyptian court, and was close enough to the woman to be considered royalty, who also disappeared around the age of 40, if memory serves correctly. I wonder who he might be referred to as in the “good book” should the timeline match up correctly?
That and the archaelogical evidence we find is just a small surviving minority of stuff from those periods due to a vast variety of conditions. Especially since the Exodus explicitly mentions that the Hebrews took a lot of stuff with them.
I'm not one to get into the religious side of the movie but I'm genuinely impressed with the movie's art, animation, and music. This movie is an incredibly underrated gem.
I'm don't think it works like that.
The religious side of the movie makes no sense. I don’t know how anyone can watch this movie and not come out with the conclusion that the story is purely metaphorical. Moses’ staff turns into a snake and Ramses, Hotep and Huy don’t care a single bit. There’s also not a single given reason why God couldn’t come down as a vision for Ramses and confront him.
@@spencerlane415the story starts making a lot more sense when you consider that the Israelites just made the story of Exodus up as propaganda to make themselves look more badass and their god more credible on the eastern Mediterranean stage, especially in opposition to Canaan. The whole point of the story is literally just: "Our God is so powerful, he brought the mighty empire of Egypt to its knees. Also, we're claiming ourselves as the rightful owners of your land, we just couldn't do it before because we were enslaved by Egypt. Don't question it, just give us Jericho and nobody gets hurt. Have we mentioned our god is more powerful than yours?"
@@spencerlane415the story starts making a lot more sense when you consider that the Israelites just made the story of Exodus up as propaganda to make themselves look more badass and their god more credible on the eastern Mediterranean stage, especially in opposition to Canaan. The whole point of the story is literally just: "Our God is so powerful, he brought the mighty empire of Egypt to its knees. Also, we're claiming ourselves as the rightful owners of your land, we just couldn't do it before because we were enslaved by Egypt. Don't question it, just give us Jericho and nobody gets hurt. Have we mentioned our god is more powerful than yours?"
@@spencerlane415the story starts making a lot more sense when you consider that the Israelites just made the story of Exodus up to make themselves look more badass and their god more credible on the eastern Mediterranean stage, especially in opposition to Canaan. The whole point of the story is literally just: "Our God is so powerful, he brought the mighty empire of Egypt to its knees. Also, we're claiming ourselves as the rightful owners of your land, we just couldn't do it before because we were enslaved by Egypt. Don't question it, just give us Jericho and nobody gets hurt. Have we mentioned our god is more powerful than yours?"
One thing that the movie failed to mention (understandably so, due to time constraints) was that after nearly every plague, Pharaoh begged Moses to ask God to stop the plague, which Moses would do, the plague would cease, and then Pharaoh would go back on his word, or make impossible ultimatums. God was merciful each time and stopped each plague when Moses asked, giving Pharaoh every opportunity to do the right thing. But he wouldn’t. And at the very last plague Pharaoh’s child paid the price for their father’s hardened heart. Goes to show that there’s a price to pay when one takes God’s grace for granted. Awesome job, VE! 👏🏻
God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, he didn't have the option or choice to "do the right thing", he was just doing what God wanted. God wanted all those Plagues to happen, it was his plan.
@@branhan215124 That's how I interpreted it the first time I read it as a child and every time since. Maybe it's a poor translation, but it seems pretty transparent in this context where God is actively interfering on Earth, including taking the lives of children, that He was actively hardening Pharaoh's heart to move the story in a particular direction.
Also could mean god's actions had hardened Pharaoh's heart. As in it was a consequence of his actions. Not the intended result. even if he predicted it would happen.
@@kieranforde3787 It's unfortunate that something that is supposed to be truth incarnate couldn't have been written in a more legible manner.
@@kieranforde3787 Of course I've always considered that, but it doesn't fit rhetorically. Can you think of any other verses in the Bible where this ambiguity exists regarding God?
Hope to see these covered some day:
- Joe Cooper (Killer Joe)
- Nino Brown (New Jack City)
- Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors)
- Spider-Man 3 villains (Sandman and Venom)
- Dr. X (from the Operation: Mindcrime albums by Queensrÿche)
As a fan of Queensryche, I second the video on Dr. X
Now that you mention a villain from a concept album, I was thinking that Mr. Self-Destruct/The Ruiner from The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails would also be interesting to see.
Nino Brown would be an excellent choice!
A video on Jake the Muss would be interesting.
Thank you for also covering Joseph King of Dreams as a lot of people who marathon all the DreamWorks films skip that one entirely because it’s a direct to dvd movie, even DreamWorks themselves don’t count it as it’s not on their website
I grew up watching this movie and IMO it's one of the best Biblical adaptations to ever exist. So glad to see it on your channel!
YESSS! After so long of patience it’s here! Thank you for this upload, this movie sure is important to me! While here, could a potential coverage be on Saruman from The Tolkien Legendarium?
The story between Moses and Ramesses is sad they where brothers in the beginning but enemies at the end.
just like Jesus and Lucifer
@@JpVicveganot like Jesus and Lucifer
@@JpVicvegaYou clearly got that all the way wrong
Like Optimus Prime and Megatron
@@JpVicvega More like Cain and Abel or Esau and Jacob
Me: time to buckle down and work on final papers
(Sees analyzing evil vid on one of the best animated movies ever made)
Me: guess I’ll be crunching
The Prince of Egypt is definitely one of the best movies by Dreamworks. And they got some of the best songs.
To be honest, if you look at the Ten Commandments version of Ramese, he makes the Prince of Egypts version look like Jesus in comparison. No pun indeed.
i always preferred prince of egypt over ten commandments. i love the focus on ramses and moses’ relationship as brothers
YES!!!!! The Prince of Egypt is a Masterpiece!
I've never watched a single one of this guy's videos and from what I've heard about the Prince of Egypt, it seems legendary. This analysis seems amazing.
I think this is the best feature length animated film I've ever seen. All the technical stuff to the side the plot and the characters were superb. Rameses doesn't start out as someone who deserves our dislike, he's someone who wants to prove himself, but he's blind to the harm he does to those around him and his desire to be more than his father and not be the "weak link" gives him more substance as a villain than most animated villains in other movies. He's willing to commit genocide to make a point. All this makes this movie good and makes the liberation of the Hebrews all the more moving.
Ramses before Moses left Egypt: 😀
Ramses after Moses left Egypt: 😡
His son and many other children died. I watched Christian Bale's Exodus the guy who played as Ramses was like the one in the animation but they portrayed as soldiers the reactions he made to events around Moses were human, finding out he was a Israelite or Hebrew, putting a sword in Moses horse when he banished him to give Moses a fighting chance against assassins sent after him, telling Moses he could slowly free the slaves but got incensed at a foreign god telling him what to do, every plague, crisis and then the death of the Egyptians first born children. My favourite scene is when he is told that none of the Israelites children by Moses the sheer horror in his face had him stunned and seeing his wife in a trance like state playing with the baby carriage turned his grief to rage. Even his own men followed thru fear
Holy shit. Literally. Might as well cover the whole Bible.
I'd be cool with that.
@dougcarey2233 we all would.
If not the Bible, then other biblical adjacent texts would be dope. Lucifer from Paradise Lost would be my pick
@N_o196 now you're talking
That’s not fair to call the whole book evil, though there are plenty of examples of evil people getting their just desserts.
It’s sad how happy rameses is when mosses returns just to immediately be disappointed.
The Lord works in mysterious ways. I start getting into the mood of watching this movie again that I haven’t seen in forever and then you come out with this video. This can’t be a coincidence.
Same. Something funny going on. Something you can feel but not quite describe.
The lord works by killing an innocent child instead of actually confronting the man enslaving your people with a vision… but he didn’t…. Because the whole story is a METAPHOR.
@@spencerlane415 And I’m the guy who didn’t ask.
Metaphors are real, meanwhile your "lord" remains elusive & his will convoluted xD
@@DonManuelHasLeonsJacket It’s kind of pathetic that you took time out of your day to mock another person’s faith in religion. If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. Don’t judge other people for their beliefs.
It's indisputable how unfair it is that Seti passed away at peace and remembered as a great man and ruler, while his son Rameses, who he mentally abused and pretty much indocrinated, was the one who had to suffer God's wrath.
Generational curses; what isn't visited on the father will be visited on the son.
@@aphylorne3021or the son's son.
it was still Rameses’ choice to harden his heart and God hardened it the rest of the way to a point God gave up on saving Him. He could’ve softened his heart and let the slaves go because they are his brother’s family, but he didn’t. Rameses became a psychopath.
Seti was punished. His greatest fear, that his son would fail to maintain his empire, came true. His legacy was pretty much burned to ashes at the end of the movie, and he takes fault for every choice Ramses made due to him pressuring Ramses to maintain and grow Egypt after his passing.
In the Quran Jibril (Gabriel) the angel kicked mud in pharaoh in his mouth just so he couldn’t beg for forgiveness while he was drowning 😂😂😂cold
I LOVE this film! I'm an atheist, but this still gives me goosebumps when he finds the burning bush. And the whole dynamic between Moses and Rameses gets me right in the feels every time, lol! I need to watch it again! Gonna get the kids all snuggled up on the couch, in front of the fireplace, with some hot cocoa and snacks, and put this movie on tonight! Great video, BTW. Like just about EVERY video you put out there (I can't say literally every one ONLY because I haven't seen them all, so I can't HONESTLY say that). Keep them coming, and I'll keep watching!
P.S. You should try narrating audio books and/or voice acting work, you have an AMAZING and distinctive voice. I'd love to hear you read The Lord of the Rings. It would be EPIC! Pun definitely intended, lol
@The1andOnlyWog kudos for to you for appreciating a good film based on a Christian teaching even while being an atheist. I know a lot of atheists that would not be willing to consider the film on its merits - let alone talk about it aloud and be willing to share it with their kids.
If I can ask, why do you believe in atheism? I know conversations over the internet are not generally respectful or honest, but I am genuinely interested in better understanding your rationale.
@jacobhacker6404 I would love to discuss it, but I don't think this is an appropriate venue for that discussion. Let's just say I'm more of a "soft" atheist. I don't believe that there is no God, I'm just not convinced. And I don't "hate" god or religious people. I think there are a lot of really good lessons in the Bible. But there are also a lot of things in it that are outright wrong or immoral. It's hard to express where I stand on the issue without someone stepping in and calling me evil or insulting me for simply having a different opinion.
@@The1andOnlyWog I understand. I have entered into 5 conversations over such topics (not including this one) over the past couple of months. 1 of them was a very good conversation with a "hard" atheist who just wasn't militant about it. The rest got about two response deep before they just simply stopped replying.
I imagine I know the topics you mean when you say there are stuff in the bible that is immoral. In my experience, those who call those areas "immoral" don't fully understand the context and/or the actual direction being given the commands. I don't mean to insult your intelligence when I say that. It has however been my experience that such topics require a not insignificant amount of study and thought to truly grasp and most people don't put forth the effort. If you wish to avoid details though, there is a question at the route cause of the disagreement that hopefully we can discuss. Who determines what is moral?
Some villains you could analyze:
-Roose Bolton from GOT
-Principality of Zeon from Mobile Suit Gundam
-I know you already covered V for Vendetta, but i would like you to make videos specially on the Norsefire Party, and the characters of Adam Sutler and Peter Creedy
-The Major, from Hellsing
-John Du Pont, from Foxcatcher
-Shogo Makishima, from Psycho Pass
Amazing movie. The visuals, animation, music, voice acting, all of it. Glad to see it covered!
I love the foreshadowing of Moses and Rameses' destinies:
"Moses, you will never have to carry a burden like the crown I will pass to Rameses. He must not allow himself to be lead astray. Not even by you, my son."
2:59 - If I recall correctly, what Ham did was "uncover Noah's nakedness". What this means is explained by Moses later when he explained the law to the Israelites in Leviticus.
"The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness." -Leviticus 18:8.
This means that Ham had relations with his own mother. The reason why Noah curses Canaan is because he is the son of that incestuous relation.
Thank you I’ve been trying to find the answer to this verse for the longest bruh 😂😂💯
bro why didnt he jsut say mother?
Hebraic idioms. Hebrews love using idioms to explaim things. Might just be an ANE convention in general. But yeah, given tradition states that the five books of the Torah were written around the same time, it would make sense that they would use idioms in one book that they later explain in a later book.
The Hebrew word used for uncover in Leviticus is “galal” and has an entirely different meaning than the one in Genesis (“raah”). Iirc, Ham’s punishment comes from him not covering his father during his drunkenness, instead he went to grab his other brothers. Literally his brothers aren’t cursed because they enter in backwards and don’t see their father naked. There’s absolutely no evidence that Ham slept with Noah’s wife 😂
@@saucemandela still i feel like cursing him is a bit rough
While we’re on the subject of animated evil; at some point we must cover Aku from Samurai Jack. His name literally means “Evil!”
Analysing evil: shang tsung from mortal kombat
Analysing evil: Ultron from age of ultron
Analysing evil: Darkseid from DC comics
Analysing evil: the covenant from halo
Analyzing Evil: Askeladd from Vinland Saga
Analyzing Evil: Leyland Palmer from Twin Peaks
Analyzing Evil: Big Boss from Metal Gear (namely MG1 and 2)
Analyzing Evil: Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles
Analyzing Evil: Shira from Blade of the Immortal
Analyzing Evil: Bloody Harry from Gungrave
Analyzing Evil: Kazundo Gouda from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Analyzing Evil: Chouji Suitengu from Speed Grapher
When I listen to your wrap ups of the video it gives heavy “Jerry’s final thoughts” vibes… like you’re gone tell us a diabolical deprived story and then end it off with “take care of yourselves and each other” energy 🤣🤣🤣love it
This movie was an absolute masterpiece from DreamWorks, especially considering it was made in the late 90s.
You should cover Jezebel and Ahab next if you're doing Bible stories. I am still holding out hope for a Part 2 to Prince of Egypt
Moses too, if we include his war against the Midianites.
Glad I got here early because The Prince of Egypt is one of my favourite movies! Since I grew up in a Christian household, The Prince of Egypt and Joseph: King of Dreams were mandatory viewing for me and my sister. Thank you so much, Vile Eye, for making this video because The Prince of Egypt is an underrated masterpiece that deserves more respect. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! 🙏🏾
An interesting bit, the Pharoh Ahmenhotep II lines up pretty closely to expdus, including Egypt being ruined in his reign, his firstborn not succeeding him, and his other son having to go to war for the procurment of slaves and resources due to a sudden loss of labor.
Analyzing Evil: The book of Judges in the Bible
It makes Game of Thrones look like child’s play 💀
It is just Jews fucking up,getting God's Wrath,asking for mercy,getting it only to fuck up again. It is not even 2 nickels anymore.
Joshua, 1 & 2 Samuel, 1 & 2 Kings, and 1 & 2 Chronicles too. The Old Testament is epic, and it makes Game of Thrones look like Sesame Street.
Analyzing Evil: Moses against the Midianites.
@@zaja2418 Moses wasn't evil, the Midianites betrayed the Israelites and sided with the evil Moabites against Israel. Moses was acting in self defense.
@@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist Yeah, I'm pretty sure those virgin girls he took as booty and the boys and women he ordered killed was an act of self-defense.
I’ve been waiting for this video ever since you covered Frollo over 3 years ago. So hyped to watch!
Wow this is an episode i never expected or even thought of but great.
Would love an episode on Macrinus from Gladiator II !
Analysising evil: God in The Prince of Egypt would be an interesting companion piece
Analyzing evil: Joe Goldberg from YOU
I like how you connected this event from thousands of years ago to current events. Great video! ♥️
Those whole time I thought this was narrated by TTS but this guy has true robot speech DAMN
The Prince of Egypt was, is, and will always be one of the best animated features to ever exist. Everything about it is majestically stirring, captivating, and emotionally gripping.
💯 Facts
Power can easily corrupt anyone. Look at Ramses
'' I am aware that I can have an entire channel dedicated solely to villains portrayed by Ralph Fiennes''
proceeds to do The Prince of Egypt with a character voiced by Ralph Fiennes
Your voice and your look match so well, it’s uncanny. It comes off very professional.
Let your heart be hardened, and nevermind how high the cost may go.
This will still be so.
I will never let your people go
Yes! I was waiting for this one for a while. This is one of the very best animated movies ever!
I had to put this video off for a couple of weeks to sit down, and rewatch the movie twice, on separate occasions. It has been a long time since I watched it as a kid growing up.
This film is an absolute masterpiece.
Man your channel always makes my day this is one of my cousin and I’s favorite films to watch
As a jew who just ended shabbat, this was great way to start the week.
Same my brother
@@Nukhebuk Shavua Tov achi.
@@Nukhebuk Shavuah Tov Achi.
Since you covered the evil in Prince of Egypt, you should also look into The Ten Commandments. It's another very deep and character-driven interpretation of the story of Moses, and it has more forces of evil to review like Nefertiri and Dathan
Could you possibly do a video on D-16 (aka Megatron) from Transformers One? Also a brothers-to-enemies story.
@gmm7852 Personally, I think either Aligned (Cybertron Games/TF: Prime) or IDW 2005 Megatron would make for a better video, but it's a good idea nonetheless.
I don't think D-16 was as unreasonable as other continuity versions of Megatron. Plus we are literally talking crap on a branded slave turned revolutionary.
Didn't know until this video that Prince of Egypt had a prequel movie about Joseph's story. Might have to check that out.
To be honest I understand Rameses dilemma of maintaining tradition due to negative parental experience. Especially when your own father makes you feel small and unworthy of your birthright. I don't defend his actions as a terrible Pharaoh. But I can understand his personal insecurities and low self esteem.
Vile eye is doing an analysis of the prince of Egypt. I guess there really can be miracles when we believe. 😆
Amazing video as always, Given how similar their stories are, I hope you do an analysis evil on Fire Lord Sozin from Avatar. Especially With new information from the new novel, reckoning of Roku. Because Sozin and Roku Story reminds me a lot of Moses and Ramses from this film I’ll be the only difference here is that Roku and Sozin aren’t brothers!
If someone hasn’t said it, it’s nice to see you giving your essay in person intermittently. Glad you’re in a position to do so mentally and financially.
Oh this is gonna be great. Makes me want to watch the movie all over again.
"I'm done saving yo-" gets hit by ten plagues
Analyzing it from outside of biblical teaching, God definitely feels like a secondary villain. The plagues are pure evil but Moses has no choice but to go along with it for the goal of freeing his people.
Nihilist alert: Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty + Rau Le Creuset from Gundam SEED
I think the film emphasizes the real tragedy of the story of Exdous.
Moses and ramses were raised as BROTHERS. and tht is the core of the story. Moses could've easily become Pharoah(at least in the Charlton Heston version.) Whereas here he knows he will never get the the thrones becise even seti says he will never have to carry the burden of his crown.
Once Moses finds out the birth of his heritage he begins to doubt everything. He kills a man(accidentally or otherwise) and runs in to the dessert.
After that he integrates with the Midians and marries his wife and then finally meets God. (The burning bush scene is the vest scene in PoE)
He then knows his purposes and fulfills his god given role to lead his people form slavery.
All the while cresting this HUGE wedge between Moses and ramses.
If you take notice you'll see that Moses takes after his mother and ramses clearly takes after his father. Ramses place of comfort is always in his father's lap. Whenever we see him and mosses talk, ramses is either in the shadow, or sitting in the lap of a statue of his father.
Moses, when he finds out the truth, his mother is the only one to actually comfort him. She finds him by the nile where he was found all those years ago and one lyrics that has always hit close to home to me is her line "when the gods send you a blessing you don't ask why it was sent"
Everything about this film is amazing.
It is my comfort film it is my go to.
All the songs amazing.
As I get older the song "look through heavens eyes" becomes more and more special to me and real.
The musical adaptation adds more songs in for individual characters. Moses gets one after the plagues about the pressure of being one of the only to survive. Nefertari gets one after the plagues about mourning the loss of her son silently. Rameses has a lot more songs that show how much he loves Moses. It does remove the two Priests and make them one who is far more nefarious and takes more direct action as the musical changes the ending some. Ramses tries to stop the pursuit into the Red Sea but the priest calls the army to continue. Its a good adaptation.
One of my favorite movies of all-time.
This is one of the most insightful videos of "The Prince of Egypt" you've ever done. I've always watched it every year for Passover and it still amazes me how it layers and humanizes the Exodus story. Ramses really was a sympathetic villain who not only was obsessed with his father's approval, but also wanted to be better than his father (hence why his statue is bigger than his father's). But all it got to him was nothing but prideful stubbornness to the point where he refuses to acknowledge the suffering around Egypt or even listen to his brother's warnings. All of this could have been avoided if either his father hadn't called him a "weak link" or even just took the time to listen to Moses so his own son wouldn't have been a victim to one of the plagues. He's a cautionary tale of when we become too involved in ourselves that we refuse to do good acts for others.
Possible candidates
-Suguru Geto and Mahito from Jujutsu Kaisen
-Isabella from The Promised Neverland
-Nikita Dragovich and Lev Kravchenko from the Call of Duty Black Ops series
-Raul Menendez from Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
-Floch Forster from Attack on Titan
-Chrollo Lucilfer and the Phantom Troupe from Hunter x Hunter
-The Pillar Men from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure
You could honestly cover the whole promised Neverland world and black ops 1 as a whole
Aizen
Another driving force behind Rameses is insecurity. Rameses is determined above all else to create a stronger dynasty than his father did. If you compare the view of Egypt when Moses and Rameses are talking when compared to the same view earlier in the movie, you'll notice that Rameses has built a statue of himself next to his father but his is significantly larger and the city as a whole has also grown in. Yet when there's a close-up of Rameses, his father's statue is still overlooking him. Despite having been dead for years, Seti still looms over his son like a dark cloud, amd no matter how much bigger he makes the kingdom, Rameses cannot shake the thought that it isn't enough. That is why he refuses to free the Hebrews, because in his mind, anything that can be considered a sign of weakness will make him the weak link in the chain
You gave me a video I had no idea I wanted this bad. It was awesome! 😎
What a fantastic movie.
I would LOVE to see an analyzation of Captain Flint from Black Sails. I think you would have a field day with that entire character roster
Please consider covering Thrawn from Star Wars, both in Legends and new canon!
I loveddd both the King of Egypt and Joseph the King of Dreams growing up! The songs were so good, animation style was beautiful and the voice acting was powerful.
I would also like to suggest some potential candidates for this channel:
Alan Jonah from Godzilla: King of the Monsters
Walter Simmons from Godzilla vs Kong
Colonel Preston Packard from Kong: Skull Island
Megatron and Sentinel Prime from Transformers One and the Bayverse movies
Carlton Drake and the Riot Symbiote from Venom (2018)
Doctor Doom from Marvel Comics
Martin Walker from White House Down
About the cursing of Canaan, the original (Hebrew) writing of the story is only seen similarly in a later verse related to laws against incest (or at least condemning it), so what some theologians think is that Ham could have possibly slept with well... his mother. This is just a theory though, but it does make sense that translators may alter the wording in translation because of how wild it is to think about.
Not a religious bone in my body and yet I love this film! A timeless classic. LET MY PEOPLE GO VILE EYE!!!!!
The anatomy of your soul is seperate from the imperfections of our earthly bodies. Similar to how music is at its core, a deeply "spiritual" state outside of time and space. Not trying to sound condescending, but there are a lot of reasons why people connected to these stories for ages.
@XanderLeoShiller What are you getting at?
I always thought the brother aspect made for good drama. Brothers grow up together, live together, share with each other, and I can still grow apart. That was one change to the original story that I can get behind
This story in Exodus always confused me a little, I still don't quite fully understand the meaning behind God hardening the heart of Pharaoh each time before the passing of the next great plague, so my question is, did Pharaoh really have free will to ever let the people to go? Or did God always intend for him to fail completely??
He did it to show his power even that my sound off but God has a reason to everything and an answer and I also believe he wanted to show Pharaoh that he was God because Egypt believed in false gods and every pleg was an attack on their gods
Easily one of the fastest clicks on one of your videos I've ever done. Im still holding out for a Negan and Rick Grimes episode but i would very much enjoy more episodes on the same subject matter as Prince of Egypt. These stories are Incredibly fascinating to me.