As an adult I love the fact that the center of the city government is the LA convention center. The designers envisioned that building would be the future of architecture aesthetic. Can imagine that making a lot of sense back when it was new. Meanwhile I just think of it as the former home of E3.
It's nice to see them working in (and in a comedy no less) the vital lesson of "sanitizing everything only makes people into worse perverts." they're fascinated with violence because it's been so scrubbed, they don't even understand it's a last-resort for us 'barbarians'
Dr. C and Simon Phoenix and Yin and Yang of evil. One wants order and one just wants chaos. What I find funny, Dr. C has ruled for so long he has gotten lazy. He believed his intelligence would overcome everything, and that allowed Phoenix to outsmart him (by playing dumb). As Chuck said in his background video, one harms the body while the other harms the soul. One is insidious and hides behind a veneer of benevolence; the other is blatant with his wanton violence. I like how Phoenix is the one to end his opposite, instead of Spartan. While Spartan can coexist with Huxley (two styles of good), while evil couldn't. It was just so poetic. The new ways fail while the old ways finish the job.
6:54 This is a point that people should ruminate upon more. When those with power insist that everyone conforms to their vision of perfection, everyone who disagrees or just falls short is forced into the arms of their opponents. And here’s the thing about perfection: it always can be more perfect, always draws a smaller and smaller circle inside, leaving more and more outside. Think about the characters of the itself. If the events didn’t play out as they did, its easy to imagine Cocteau deciding Huxley isn’t suitable for his society. Nor would Lamb (Spartan’s old friend). Or any of Huxley’s peers that tolerate her love of the past. You know, Warden Smithers has a short temper, too…
Great analysis of this movie, and Chuck shows his Minnesota pride with the Hamm's Beer jingle! Take your "thumbs-up", you magnificent bastard, looking forward to your Dredd retrospective!
I always found future dystopias that are at first glance utopian to be more intriguing than the obviously bad ones. I love Blade Runner but that movie makes it clear from its first scene that the future sucks. But the ones which at first glance are awesome face an uphill battle. Since they have to convince you that yes this future actually sucks. Which means focusing on the details of what's happening.
One theory about the rise of allergies is that we've made the world where are children grow so antiseptic that the immune system overreacts to ordinary things.
A surprising number of allergies are hereditary. Thanks to advances in medicine, more and more people are surviving allergies that would have otherwise killed them as children. This means they are then able to pass on whatever underlying genetic flaws responsible for those allergies to their own children.
excellent 3 part series. Thanks. If you are going to compare/contract Judge Dredd and Demolition Man for more than Stallone, you may want to throw RoboCop in there too. Similar era, similar theme.
Another thing conspicuously absent from San Angeles is children - actual children, I'm aware that the adults are stuck in a state of mental childhood. The city could arguably be described as a form of Calhoun's "mouse utopia" (although that term is a misnomer - Calhoun didn't create a utopia, if anything what he built more closely resembled a housing project).
you were a little unclear at the end there. which Dredd movie are you going to be talking about? (both are worth talking about BTW) and what did you mean by "both"? ('Demolition Man' and 'Judge Dredd' or some combination with the newer 'Dredd' film?)
It's on his schedule, he's discussing the newer Dredd film and then planning to compare that to Demolition Man. I'm sure the older 'Judge Dredd' will then get some passing mentions in regard to how not to do it.
Watching the review has reminded me how the movie really is much more, especially since we’re getting/have gotten eerily close to the future society of 2032. Stallone has said a sequel is in the works but I wonder how it could work today or what could be discussed and looked it, if it can still be a commentary or if it’ll go all in on action.
It is a future. Not the worst, honestly, all things considered. The people were pampered children, unable to adapt to anything outside of what was directly in front of them...but in a way, their ignorance really was bliss. It's always the problem with this sort of thing, they're happy, but in such a shallow way that one bout of hard rain could sour their whole mood. I honestly think this society is taken to its logical extreme in a comedy webcomic of all places. SMBC, the comic, 'The Last Generation'. The dude sometimes hits on some salient points, and that comic displays the endpoint for this sort of thing, if it's allowed to continue to exist. In essence, reality is painful for them, so they choose to leave it behind, for a lifetime that is from their perspective, infinite. Mind, he'd then show the downfall in a far darker light in 'Dream Control' which showed us what happens when we are given control like that of reality. It does not end well.
I didn’t find them eye opening because the logistics of the societies keep taking me out of the books. Knowing that in the long run neither government will be able to sustain the systems they enforce and with no other factor for me to fallow I was bored nearly to death when I was forced to read them in school.
Targeting Friendly is a more real world dictator move than you see in a lot of action movies., there is good reason authoritarian states tend to target minority communities, like the lgbtq, non dominant religions, and people of different cultural backgrounds, they tend have different definitions of what is a satisfactory life and dictators like things simple, plus they make convenient scapegoats.
I still think the only real flaw with this movie is the idea that the rest of the USA, and the Federal Government in particular is okay with this little private Dystopian Micro-nation.
Pretty sure corporations are the real power in this timeline. My understanding is that the Franchise Wars were actual wars, fought with weapons, not just economic strife.
I always assumed as a kid that either the San Andreas fault had split off the western part of the states into its own separate country, or the rest of the country had been nuked and was dealing with fallout, or that the states had all separated and maybe even split into hundreds of territories. Or even a combination of all three.
Ooh, a Demolition Man/Dredd double feature! Nifty!
As an adult I love the fact that the center of the city government is the LA convention center. The designers envisioned that building would be the future of architecture aesthetic. Can imagine that making a lot of sense back when it was new. Meanwhile I just think of it as the former home of E3.
They must love convention centers, the taco bell is the san diego one.
It's nice to see them working in (and in a comedy no less) the vital lesson of "sanitizing everything only makes people into worse perverts." they're fascinated with violence because it's been so scrubbed, they don't even understand it's a last-resort for us 'barbarians'
I can’t believe I’ve never seen this. Def watching this tonight.
It's one hell of a fun time.
My friends have been referencing this movies for years. I think it definitely still holds up. Lots of great quotes too
It's one of my favorite 90's films. It is such a rich film, while playing with the "dumb action". It's not a perfect movie, but it's so much fun.
2012 Dredd is such a fantastic movie hampered to the point of box office death due to its original name:
Dredd 3D
I'm surprised they didn't stylize it as Dr3Dd.
Dr. C and Simon Phoenix and Yin and Yang of evil. One wants order and one just wants chaos. What I find funny, Dr. C has ruled for so long he has gotten lazy. He believed his intelligence would overcome everything, and that allowed Phoenix to outsmart him (by playing dumb). As Chuck said in his background video, one harms the body while the other harms the soul. One is insidious and hides behind a veneer of benevolence; the other is blatant with his wanton violence. I like how Phoenix is the one to end his opposite, instead of Spartan. While Spartan can coexist with Huxley (two styles of good), while evil couldn't. It was just so poetic. The new ways fail while the old ways finish the job.
Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil, if I read my Brady Bunch of Morality and Motivations correctly.
6:54 This is a point that people should ruminate upon more. When those with power insist that everyone conforms to their vision of perfection, everyone who disagrees or just falls short is forced into the arms of their opponents. And here’s the thing about perfection: it always can be more perfect, always draws a smaller and smaller circle inside, leaving more and more outside.
Think about the characters of the itself. If the events didn’t play out as they did, its easy to imagine Cocteau deciding Huxley isn’t suitable for his society. Nor would Lamb (Spartan’s old friend). Or any of Huxley’s peers that tolerate her love of the past. You know, Warden Smithers has a short temper, too…
Or to better punctuate the point with the title of a Dimmu Borgir outro song: ua-cam.com/video/eF549ERXxy4/v-deo.htmlsi=mWnsdQZswFBuyfdP
@@theblocksays: Mmmm...
Dimmu Burger...
Great analysis of this movie, and Chuck shows his Minnesota pride with the Hamm's Beer jingle! Take your "thumbs-up", you magnificent bastard, looking forward to your Dredd retrospective!
I always found future dystopias that are at first glance utopian to be more intriguing than the obviously bad ones. I love Blade Runner but that movie makes it clear from its first scene that the future sucks. But the ones which at first glance are awesome face an uphill battle. Since they have to convince you that yes this future actually sucks. Which means focusing on the details of what's happening.
Dredd was Awesome! and this is still a fun action Comedy.
One theory about the rise of allergies is that we've made the world where are children grow so antiseptic that the immune system overreacts to ordinary things.
Its rather caused by the air pollution, particulate matter and such.
A surprising number of allergies are hereditary.
Thanks to advances in medicine, more and more people are surviving allergies that would have otherwise killed them as children.
This means they are then able to pass on whatever underlying genetic flaws responsible for those allergies to their own children.
excellent 3 part series. Thanks. If you are going to compare/contract Judge Dredd and Demolition Man for more than Stallone, you may want to throw RoboCop in there too. Similar era, similar theme.
I would also add the animated 1988 Appleseed OVA, which also touches on similar themes to Demolition Man.
I see he ended on the #1 hit in San Angeles nightclubs.
14-year-old me 100% remembers that there';s a topless shot of Huxley during the sex sequence....now it's gone; what happened?
@MATT-2042 I knew it! and then there's the scene from the Program. Oh and Flesh & Bone
good series
Like cell phones aren't tiny swiveling monoliths.
Most of us don't try to FaceTime from a dozen or so at a time, though.
Zoom Meetings would like a word.
Chuck: "Until then, be well."
Me, instinctively: "Be f***ed!"
I said that every time they tried to make that Walgreen’s catchphrase.
5:09 where is the fine sound in the background?
Another thing conspicuously absent from San Angeles is children - actual children, I'm aware that the adults are stuck in a state of mental childhood.
The city could arguably be described as a form of Calhoun's "mouse utopia" (although that term is a misnomer - Calhoun didn't create a utopia, if anything what he built more closely resembled a housing project).
Ill be honest, i was looking forward to seeing SFDebris talking about knitting.
5:10 - You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
you were a little unclear at the end there.
which Dredd movie are you going to be talking about? (both are worth talking about BTW)
and what did you mean by "both"? ('Demolition Man' and 'Judge Dredd' or some combination with the newer 'Dredd' film?)
It's on his schedule, he's discussing the newer Dredd film and then planning to compare that to Demolition Man. I'm sure the older 'Judge Dredd' will then get some passing mentions in regard to how not to do it.
I remember renting judge dredd thinking it was this movie and being very disappointed
Ooh 2012 dredd next sign me up
Do we think the lifestyle is just local, or globally?
11:02 sigh i miss Norm Macdonald.
Watching the review has reminded me how the movie really is much more, especially since we’re getting/have gotten eerily close to the future society of 2032.
Stallone has said a sequel is in the works but I wonder how it could work today or what could be discussed and looked it, if it can still be a commentary or if it’ll go all in on action.
Sequel or documentary? 🤔
It is a future. Not the worst, honestly, all things considered. The people were pampered children, unable to adapt to anything outside of what was directly in front of them...but in a way, their ignorance really was bliss. It's always the problem with this sort of thing, they're happy, but in such a shallow way that one bout of hard rain could sour their whole mood.
I honestly think this society is taken to its logical extreme in a comedy webcomic of all places. SMBC, the comic, 'The Last Generation'. The dude sometimes hits on some salient points, and that comic displays the endpoint for this sort of thing, if it's allowed to continue to exist.
In essence, reality is painful for them, so they choose to leave it behind, for a lifetime that is from their perspective, infinite.
Mind, he'd then show the downfall in a far darker light in 'Dream Control' which showed us what happens when we are given control like that of reality. It does not end well.
I didn’t find them eye opening because the logistics of the societies keep taking me out of the books. Knowing that in the long run neither government will be able to sustain the systems they enforce and with no other factor for me to fallow I was bored nearly to death when I was forced to read them in school.
Jack Black Cameo cool.
I'm starting to think this "Norm MacDonald” was a real visionary.
8:00
Targeting Friendly is a more real world dictator move than you see in a lot of action movies., there is good reason authoritarian states tend to target minority communities, like the lgbtq, non dominant religions, and people of different cultural backgrounds, they tend have different definitions of what is a satisfactory life and dictators like things simple, plus they make convenient scapegoats.
I still think the only real flaw with this movie is the idea that the rest of the USA, and the Federal Government in particular is okay with this little private Dystopian Micro-nation.
Pretty sure corporations are the real power in this timeline. My understanding is that the Franchise Wars were actual wars, fought with weapons, not just economic strife.
@@Thraim. Urk.
Well at least they didn't resort to autonomous self-replicating robots powered by consuming organic matter.
I always assumed as a kid that either the San Andreas fault had split off the western part of the states into its own separate country, or the rest of the country had been nuked and was dealing with fallout, or that the states had all separated and maybe even split into hundreds of territories. Or even a combination of all three.
@@Goatcha_M Indeed. We'd be so f***** if anyone pulled a Faro plague.
Do you even California, bro?
DREDD 2012 my god man count me in !