For my bike (not counting just getting a new bike), swapping the stock Rock Shox Recon for a Pike Select+. For myself, taking The Ride Series clinic in Bentonville.
For me and my girlfriend it was getting ebikes, we are over 50 and frequently ride with 20 and 30 year olds and, it was just getting to hard to keep up on the climbs. Our Transition Relays have been game changers.
My best upgrade to my Specialized Levo is Sram XX wireless transmission changing gears at full underload power and the Magped magnetic pedals to pedal with much more traction with my legs at riding hill climbs.
Motors being refurbished or thrown away? I can tell you in Australia (I run the eBike Motor Centre for Australia... and partner with Performance Line Bearings UK), that motors are not refurbished by any of the manufacturers here in this country. Everyone of our customers enquiring about motor repairs all repeat the same story - the bike shop or manufacturer said, "buy a new motor". We do refurbish and overhaul the motors (Bosch, Brose, Yamaha, Panasonic, Impulse... not Shimano) and we upgrade them with improved sealing and with stronger more robust components. I know for a fact, ebike motors replaced under warranty by some manufacturers here in Australia are thrown away, they are dumped (I won't mention the manufacturers). Very sad indeed in today's world when a customer pays $10-20K for a bike and the motor cannot be serviced? Some of these discarded motors need very little service work at all to bring them back to new, and some discarded warranty motors we can refit to a bike (and will operate perfectly)... without any disassembly, fact! Steve, you need to give Peter Collard a call at Performance Line Bearings (now eBike Motor Centre) and have a chat with him about motors and motor repairs and servicing. Cheers Paul Moir.
It's probably cheaper for the manufacturers to use just a new motor, than searching for the fault and repairing the motor and give warranty on the repaired used one. They will also need a less skilled person to swap instead of repair motors.
@@simonm1447 that would make sense if a new motor was not double or triple or quadruple the price of a repair. And that would make sense if the failure was difficult to assess… but it is not, 90% of the warranty issues are known and most easily repaired. It’s a good thing car manufacturers don’t throw our motors out if they have an issue - they’re serviced and repaired.
@@newbeginnings8566 we don’t know of any manufacturers that repair their motors. So shame on them all. eBike motors need to be designed to be serviced - currently they are not.
@@FamilymoirGoogleAccount at the end we don't know how much the motor cost for them - Bosch and others charge a lot if the customer has to pay it, but their own price is lower, and I assume the motor manufacturer pays somehow for warranty cases, not the Shops selling the bicycles. I haven't worked yet on a mid drive, I just Service my own Bafang hub motor.
Thanks again for the shout out Steve. However, as mentioned in my last comment, we were Performance Line Bearings (not performance bearings) and for the last 2 years we have been called eBike Motor Centre. Also, if you want to find out more about the latest reparability of new motors, what's repairable, what isn't and why, or what happens to motors outside of Europe, you know where we are.
As one of your many contented customers, I must unequivocally say that you have set a commendable standard and serve as a credit to the e-bike community. I travelled a long distance to bring my Bosch Gen 2 to you for repair even though I could have posted it to you but the journey was indeed well worth it. I could see for myself the unwavering dedication exhibited by both you and your colleague in the realm of the e-bike industry. Thank you for being an invaluable asset to the e-bike community here in the UK and for consistently surpassing customer expectations.
Best upgrade to myself? This year I got certified through PMMBIA as a mountain bike coach. For years I've attended coaching clinics and private coaching to improve my skills. Learning how to coach and actually coaching has taking my skills to a much higher level. Teaching any topic in any industry will do this - I just wish I would have done it sooner.
I have a few upgrades on a 2020 Levo Alloy Comp. By far and away the best upgrade has been switching brakes from SRAM Guide RE to TRP DHR-EVO. Took away the runaway freight train feeling of the bike on fast or steep sections of trail. Literally don't have to think about braking early and can just ride!
Hey Steve, The pole sonni is actually 200mm rear and optional 190/200 mm front. I just ordered one. Keep up the good work and would love to see you guys test it.
that LMX has the craziest linkage @ 6:35 ..............but, when you look at it, it's an upside down 1981 era honda pro-link rear suspension upside down.
The Stilus from Decathlon has 66* head & 70.4 seat angles respectively, basic 35 Rockshox gold 150mm fork, 150 damper with no remote lockouts. Sram SX Eagle shifters, 4piston brakes, 650NM battery,TR wheel setup, 6A charger & & & for 3.5k pounds roughly 4k USD, For those who currently own Emtb & know a little bit about geometry, what would I be missing if I get this bike, I mean, I've watched reviews where they mentioned 63 head & 76 seat angles is a must. They also recommended 440mm chainstay as opposed to 485mm here. When I researched how much I'd need to fork out to get those specs they recommended, we're looking at 7-10k min just to get an Ebike. Will this steep geometry ride completely different from its slacker but pricier counterparts? will I need something beefier than the 35mm fork to dampen those downhill rides? if yes, what's the exact fork specs to look for for bigger guys like myself? I'm 6"3 110kg ride a mixture of light trails to all mountain.
I've unleashed the 12sp drive train with a close ratio cassette makes cross country riding a hoot No more spinning or grinding always in the motor power sweet spot
Best upgrade to my ride was getting ENVE M7 or 735 wheel set....they accelerate so quickly! Then I succumbed to the 3D printed saddle from Specialized....hideously expensive but my Bum never gets sore! Cheers!
@@mjsmjs2765 It's this seat from Specialized....you have to know your sit-bone measurement though Power Pro with Mirror. There is a long nose version for Roadies and the shorter one for Mt. Biking ...and they are both available in two different sizes depending on your sit-bone measurement
Smartmotion is not from NZ, it's a Chinese company sold under the guise of made in NZ. The front wheel and bars are attached here to say made in NZ. Also a way to get around tax rules here and get government funding to help kiwi businesses. You would be amazed of the cost price of these, which is then trippled to the dealerships and then a sadly just a small profit for the dealerships when sold
Giant Stance E+1 2023 is a real hard bike to find for a review should do one, i have a 4k budget and im looking for my first e bike and this bike caught my eye 🙂
Yes..definitely more of these lesser-known brands please. And nicely timed joke there Steve at 5:50 with the ape in hat then panning over to, ah..ape in hat? Sorry Adam. Lol
I have a foldable Fiido D3 Pro rear hub e-bike, but I'm thinking of buying my first MTB midrive ebike. The Leader Fox ACRON 29" mountain full-suspension e-bike with aluminum frame, sporty design, Manitou front suspension air fork and rear air shock absorber, disc & hydraulic brakes for €2800 any insight on this e-bike or any recommendations of midrive MTB ebikes of similar value? I'm 6ft5 and about 90kg
I just spent $1000 on a new Bosch DU ffs They didn't want a core out of the failed unit and I am in possession of it. Any takers? Maybe I'm going at this sport incorrectly? 🤷 I ride a Trek. Upgrades are limited
You’ve only given a couple of prices and very vague descriptions and look at the bikes. A little pointless really. A more in-depth look at these bikes would be helpful. Most people can’t afford the prices of the better known brands
Bosch are shite, what's up with a gen 4 self destructing in 7 months? How can these companies charge 4k minimum and the main component just dies from gentle riding... Joke.
Decent hand built wheels as stock ones on most e bikes are rubbish,i had DT swiss rims with pro 5,s built,best £600 i spent,cube wheels ( newmen) are utter 💩
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What has been the best upgrade to your bike or yourself to improve your riding? Let us know in the comments below 👇
For my bike (not counting just getting a new bike), swapping the stock Rock Shox Recon for a Pike Select+. For myself, taking The Ride Series clinic in Bentonville.
For me and my girlfriend it was getting ebikes, we are over 50 and frequently ride with 20 and 30 year olds and, it was just getting to hard to keep up on the climbs. Our Transition Relays have been game changers.
My best upgrade to my Specialized Levo is Sram XX wireless transmission changing gears at full underload power and the Magped magnetic pedals to pedal with much more traction with my legs at riding hill climbs.
Full wrap protector from Klax Industries, like Justin Yeap's in the Bike Vault category in this video EMBN, style and protection 🤘
Fitting a close ratio 12sp cassette always in motor power sweet spot
Motors being refurbished or thrown away? I can tell you in Australia (I run the eBike Motor Centre for Australia... and partner with Performance Line Bearings UK), that motors are not refurbished by any of the manufacturers here in this country. Everyone of our customers enquiring about motor repairs all repeat the same story - the bike shop or manufacturer said, "buy a new motor". We do refurbish and overhaul the motors (Bosch, Brose, Yamaha, Panasonic, Impulse... not Shimano) and we upgrade them with improved sealing and with stronger more robust components. I know for a fact, ebike motors replaced under warranty by some manufacturers here in Australia are thrown away, they are dumped (I won't mention the manufacturers). Very sad indeed in today's world when a customer pays $10-20K for a bike and the motor cannot be serviced? Some of these discarded motors need very little service work at all to bring them back to new, and some discarded warranty motors we can refit to a bike (and will operate perfectly)... without any disassembly, fact! Steve, you need to give Peter Collard a call at Performance Line Bearings (now eBike Motor Centre) and have a chat with him about motors and motor repairs and servicing. Cheers Paul Moir.
It's probably cheaper for the manufacturers to use just a new motor, than searching for the fault and repairing the motor and give warranty on the repaired used one.
They will also need a less skilled person to swap instead of repair motors.
Why not shame those manufacturers that don't allow for repairs?
@@simonm1447 that would make sense if a new motor was not double or triple or quadruple the price of a repair. And that would make sense if the failure was difficult to assess… but it is not, 90% of the warranty issues are known and most easily repaired. It’s a good thing car manufacturers don’t throw our motors out if they have an issue - they’re serviced and repaired.
@@newbeginnings8566 we don’t know of any manufacturers that repair their motors. So shame on them all. eBike motors need to be designed to be serviced - currently they are not.
@@FamilymoirGoogleAccount at the end we don't know how much the motor cost for them - Bosch and others charge a lot if the customer has to pay it, but their own price is lower, and I assume the motor manufacturer pays somehow for warranty cases, not the Shops selling the bicycles.
I haven't worked yet on a mid drive, I just Service my own Bafang hub motor.
Thanks again for the shout out Steve. However, as mentioned in my last comment, we were Performance Line Bearings (not performance bearings) and for the last 2 years we have been called eBike Motor Centre. Also, if you want to find out more about the latest reparability of new motors, what's repairable, what isn't and why, or what happens to motors outside of Europe, you know where we are.
As one of your many contented customers, I must unequivocally say that you have set a commendable standard and serve as a credit to the e-bike community.
I travelled a long distance to bring my Bosch Gen 2 to you for repair even though I could have posted it to you but the journey was indeed well worth it. I could see for myself the unwavering dedication exhibited by both you and your colleague in the realm of the e-bike industry. Thank you for being an invaluable asset to the e-bike community here in the UK and for consistently surpassing customer expectations.
Best upgrade to myself? This year I got certified through PMMBIA as a mountain bike coach. For years I've attended coaching clinics and private coaching to improve my skills. Learning how to coach and actually coaching has taking my skills to a much higher level. Teaching any topic in any industry will do this - I just wish I would have done it sooner.
Best upgrade I made was actually getting my e-bike. Got me back out riding more.
I have a few upgrades on a 2020 Levo Alloy Comp. By far and away the best upgrade has been switching brakes from SRAM Guide RE to TRP DHR-EVO. Took away the runaway freight train feeling of the bike on fast or steep sections of trail. Literally don't have to think about braking early and can just ride!
is that the chinese portion of the trade show I am guessing? similar to what you see at sema or others?
Hey Steve,
The pole sonni is actually 200mm rear and optional 190/200 mm front.
I just ordered one.
Keep up the good work and would love to see you guys test it.
upgrades : - saddle ergon core, pedals DMC, wheels dt swiss, tyres vittoria mezcals, grips ergon, handle bar ergotec. mudguards zefal.
Really looking forward to seeing the details of the new Vitus E Mythique
that LMX has the craziest linkage @ 6:35 ..............but, when you look at it, it's an upside down 1981 era honda pro-link rear suspension upside down.
Upgraded to Magura MT7 pro and some good riding shoes. That made me alot more confident on my bike.
regarding upgrades, MaxxisAssegi tyres front and rear made a difference for me.
Another great edition of EMBN! Thanks Stevie!
The Stilus from Decathlon has 66* head & 70.4 seat angles respectively, basic 35 Rockshox gold 150mm fork, 150 damper with no remote lockouts. Sram SX Eagle shifters, 4piston brakes, 650NM battery,TR wheel setup, 6A charger & & & for 3.5k pounds roughly 4k USD, For those who currently own Emtb & know a little bit about geometry, what would I be missing if I get this bike, I mean, I've watched reviews where they mentioned 63 head & 76 seat angles is a must. They also recommended 440mm chainstay as opposed to 485mm here. When I researched how much I'd need to fork out to get those specs they recommended, we're looking at 7-10k min just to get an Ebike. Will this steep geometry ride completely different from its slacker but pricier counterparts? will I need something beefier than the 35mm fork to dampen those downhill rides? if yes, what's the exact fork specs to look for for bigger guys like myself? I'm 6"3 110kg ride a mixture of light trails to all mountain.
What about Corratec? They had their mid-assist E-MTB with the Bosch SX motor on the eurobike show but I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.
I've unleashed the 12sp drive train with a close ratio cassette makes cross country riding a hoot
No more spinning or grinding always in the motor power sweet spot
You still have not shown FREY ( free ride enjoy yourself) on your show, they make top spec embn bikes for some years now with befang 1000w motor
Best upgrade to my ride was getting ENVE M7 or 735 wheel set....they accelerate so quickly! Then I succumbed to the 3D printed saddle from Specialized....hideously expensive but my Bum never gets sore! Cheers!
Which seat is this?
@@mjsmjs2765 It's this seat from Specialized....you have to know your sit-bone measurement though Power Pro with Mirror. There is a long nose version for Roadies and the shorter one for Mt. Biking ...and they are both available in two different sizes depending on your sit-bone measurement
Best upgrade to myself is going back to analog bike. Never felt so strong and fit. Downhill speed increased dramatically also.
I Ride both. If i would Not have Friends With e mtbs i would Go füll analog too.
Can't you show me links to the cheap ebikes you featured here in this video I can't find them anywhere
Smartmotion is not from NZ, it's a Chinese company sold under the guise of made in NZ. The front wheel and bars are attached here to say made in NZ. Also a way to get around tax rules here and get government funding to help kiwi businesses.
You would be amazed of the cost price of these, which is then trippled to the dealerships and then a sadly just a small profit for the dealerships when sold
Giant Stance E+1 2023 is a real hard bike to find for a review should do one, i have a 4k budget and im looking for my first e bike and this bike caught my eye 🙂
Upgrade? a longer travel dropper post that allows me to be on saddle with both feet flat on the ground.
Looking for a review on the motobecane HAL eBoost. They make 2 with integrated batteries. Ep8 and m600 motors. would love to see these reviewed!!
I cannot seem to find any Hiland Edge (3:02) MTB online?
Same here! Could be an interesting upgrade platform.
WHAT! You have a cat and a UA-cam channel and they haven't met yet. We're all disappointed.
3:07 i wish i could find that Hiland for €1100. Would buy one on the spot
I searched and came up fruitless too
Yes..definitely more of these lesser-known brands please. And nicely timed joke there Steve at 5:50 with the ape in hat then panning over to, ah..ape in hat? Sorry Adam. Lol
Love the pronunciation on Doggieisla7241 (Doggie-Isla (Isla being (eye-la)) 😂😂
I have a foldable Fiido D3 Pro rear hub e-bike, but I'm thinking of buying my first MTB midrive ebike. The Leader Fox ACRON 29" mountain full-suspension e-bike with aluminum frame, sporty design, Manitou front suspension air fork and rear air shock absorber, disc & hydraulic brakes for €2800 any insight on this e-bike or any recommendations of midrive MTB ebikes of similar value? I'm 6ft5 and about 90kg
Love them bikes.
More details on all of these please.
Moving to Colorado. Bike doesn't matter as much (although I have $30K worth).
I just spent $1000 on a new Bosch DU ffs
They didn't want a core out of the failed unit and I am in possession of it. Any takers?
Maybe I'm going at this sport incorrectly? 🤷
I ride a Trek. Upgrades are limited
you mean you have a dead motor ? I might be interested.
@@godtux Correct. I'm on the wet coast of Canazuela. Bosch Gen 2 500 ERROR code
Hiland Edge for 1.1k? WHERE?
Anybody know the brand of bike at 06:50?
Java?
Deals? Ha. Just got a specialized kenevo expert for $5700
Dang some bikes only their mother would love there 😂
You’ve only given a couple of prices and very vague descriptions and look at the bikes. A little pointless really. A more in-depth look at these bikes would be helpful. Most people can’t afford the prices of the better known brands
Did I miss the bargains?!?!
what have you done with Adam? Not seen him in a while.
getting his face tattooed also
Brand-name bikes can't compare to the value direct-to-buyer online sellers offer.
Bosch are shite, what's up with a gen 4 self destructing in 7 months? How can these companies charge 4k minimum and the main component just dies from gentle riding... Joke.
Decent hand built wheels as stock ones on most e bikes are rubbish,i had DT swiss rims with pro 5,s built,best £600 i spent,cube wheels ( newmen) are utter 💩