Brilliant test. Just tried it on a large silver spoon. The magnet does not stick to the silver but only has a slight attraction while it is moving over the silver. Thank you!
The "magnetic" force that the Neodynium magnet does on silver is not magnetism. It is actually anti gravity. I think it will work on gold and copper as well. They are in the same column of the periodic table of elements.
Its called EDDY currents. Its creating an electric current inside the silver round, causing a magnetic restriction on the moving. Its the same as dropping a magent through a copper coil that the ends are shorted out. The magnet will fall super slow as the electricity its generating puts magnetic friction on the motion downward with gravity...... I always do the thermal test with it. Hold one end, touch the other something ice cold. less then 2 sec the whole coin should be the same temp as the ice cube.
That was interesting to watch. It's sad to think how many people that are trying to prepare for the stock market crash/ dollar reset are getting conned and robbed. Thanks for sharing that valuable information.
Thanks for this great video,, I have been buying Morgans, Peace, and silver rounds for a couple years now and have a good little stash, and never once thought of fakes till I seen this vid yesterday. I went right to Home Depot after work and bought a cool Neodymium magnet for $4 and did the test,,, Not a single fake in the bunch,,!,, I have bought from a few private e-bay sales and a couple professional online silver dealers and it was nice to know I have got scammed. Now I will check each one when I get it,,, Thanks again,,,
Thank you! new to silver, bought 5 coins that looked to glossy/ bright / sharp compared to the rest so was a bit scared i got scammed, but now, with this video, I could test them myself, turns out they probably are legit! thank you for the great explanation!
to tell if it is silver, just download a "sound frequency spectrum" APP to listen to the sound of knocking, the staying sound should be around 4200 Hz for a 26.7 gram silver coin
I have seen this explained before but not to the point where I felt like it was a good test - But you did! Now I see what you mean by sticky surface! As someone that buys coin lots at auction - you never know what your getting! 👍
Why not just weigh the coin???? I've read about a hundred comments and only one guy alluded to doing that. Am I missing something? If your 1oz Silver Eagle isn't weighing in at 1oz or your Morgan Dollar isn't weighing 26.7gm they're a fake. Copper density is miles away from silver, so are steel, tin, brass, zinc or whatever other cheap metal someone might try to substitute.Either the coin will be way thicker than normal (pretty easy to spot) or weigh a whole lot less than it should. Lead is way more dense than silver and the coin would have to be really thin to have correct weight, again easy to spot. Or are people actually creating some kind of lead alloys with a similar density to silver? I find it difficult to believe that happens a lot. Precise digital scales are probably cheaper than rare earth magnets at this point. ($7 on Ebay) I'm a numismatic novice so don't scorch me too bad if I'm missing something here..........
Lenz's law.. magnet has a magnetic field, induces a magnetic field into the silver. Silver is an excellent conductor, any conductor will do the same that is not ferrous. Drop one of those magnets down a copper pipe and it will fall very slowly because of 2 magnetics fields. That also why an electric motor works...
you could possibly try a comparison with a non silver coin of similar dimensions, small silver coins aren't counterfeited as often in common dates, but you have to be careful of rare or Key date silver coins.
what you do is do this basic test with the magnet, that roots out steel and brass silver plated then you either buy an identifying metal detector(vlf), or get a detectorist to scan them. a magnet wont discriminate between copper and silver but a vlf detector with target id will, silver stackers can always acid test of course, coin collectors can buy a detector.
Excellent video!! I’ve been look for the last 3 hours for a off the grid way to test silver without acids this n the water density test is a very good option!! I’m hitting up amazon for a 🧲 rite now!!
Great realisation of explaining how easy it is to use these magnets and why it should be mandatory for all bullion buyers. With se protection for the coin of course.
In a book Sears gave me to read in preparation to be a store detective I read than an expert will know how exactly far from the coin to make it look like the coin is silver but the coin will be steel or copper with a nickel coating. Also, the angle to the coin is important- a little difference between a fake seeming to be silver. Also if you have some fakes you can say it is a fake to some potential buyers who collect the fakes. Keep your ears open in case the buyer is not saying that the coin is a fake to a potential buyer of his- do not sell to him again.
I am just an amateur coin collector, starting in the 1960's as a kid. I understand the coin is a fake that the magnet sticks to. However, if US silver coins are 90% silver and 10% copper, why would there be any draw to the magnet? Also, how do counterfeiters make fakes completely void if iron? They must use some sort of "junk" mixture of metals, no?
The real silver coins aren't "drawn" to the magnet. Think of it more of if your sliding the magnet down a teflon coated plastic vs rubber. Neither is magnetic, but the magnet will behave very differently on each surface.
problem is, if a fake coin has a copper center core it will also make the magnet move slowly.. both silver and copper have almost the same influence on the magnet (eddy currents)
You have me freaked out on how many silver fakes I may have bought now and last week I just bought a half dozen of those year of the horse ones as well. Oh I'm looking for a magnet right now - thanks for the tip!
I found several on Amazon and you're right, they are very inexpensive. Is there any one specific size or thickness we should be using for this test? smile.amazon.com/s?k=neodymium+magnet+disc&ref=sr_gnr_aps
Other than needing to know the size of magnet needed to use I came across some really large ones on that amazon link I found as well and was wondering if that wouldn't be a better way of doing it is to get a much larger Super Strong Neodymium Magnet 1.5 x 3/8" and see how silver slides off the magnet instead of the other way around? What are your thoughts.
If you want a strong magnet, go out trash picking and find a burned out microwave. open it up and look for a cubical box with poles sticking out both ends. that's the magnetron.there are 2 donut shaped magnets in there that are very powerful.
stay away from the pink ceramic pieces, they contain beryllium if you break them the dust is TOXIC and dangerous, breathing in the dust WILL cause lung cancer. cut the metal with snips or whatever you have to to avoid breaking the ceramic parts.
No, it is not. Assuming you are not so dumb as to not remove the disk from the power supply first. Or, if you are that dumb, maybe you will win this year's Darwin award!
Thanks for that Silveready1. I've been stacking for two years now and hadn't had any fakes. Did alot of my shoping online and used ebay on a significant number of purchases, no problems - until recently. Out of the five coins bought two were fakes. I bought a proof/reverse proof SSSB round with all the bells and whistles (the box with SS on & the signed cert etc) It looked the "dogs B's",the weight was perfect but it rang like foil wrapped chocolate! It was just nasty. And today I received a round i liked the look of ( New World Order, Honest Weights For Honest Men); it was just unusual and, though I do not necessarily agree with its sentiments, it looked quirky and unusual. Did my due diligence. It came in at 29.3grams, rang like copper but, worst of all! the neodymium stuck to it like a hungry mole on a worm sandwich. It even hugged the edge. I've never seen that before. Didn't bother with the specific gravity test. Filed for a refund just now.
@@ibo1780 Buy from Apmex and you will never have to worry. About Ebay, Ebay has a "money back guarantee" if purchased items are not as advertised...... whether the seller agrees or not. Purchase from highly rated, established sellers with positive feedback. Buy a precious metal from a coin shop and take it back....... I can tell you what 8 of 10 coin shops return policy will be........ I buy and sell on ebay and ebay has stood good on their return policy several times.
A good and reliable test: 1. Equipment needed - an iPhone, etc. with a musical frequency tuner app (ie. Cleartune, etc.); and, THICK ceramic or marble, etc. tile about 12 X 12". 2. Simply drop the coin onto the Tile and observe the 'note' (frequency) that the dropped coin makes when it bounces onto the tile, 'read' the the note's *frequency* on the iPhone. 3. Standardize/calibrate: obtain a certified US mint 'Walking Liberty' .999 1 oz. coin. Drop and note the FREQUENCY on the 'meter' of the app. Use that frequency as your 'standard' for .999 purity, etc. 3a. Do the same sequence with pre-1963 .9 purity 'junk silver', etc. (different frequency response for each 'size' coin dime, quarter, half dollar, etc. ). If you're good at 'perfect pitch' (many musicians are) simply remember the calibration 'note'.
A good easy way to test them discreetly is to hide a magnet under a ring on your finger. I wear a coin ring,a tenth Oz gold eagle coin in a nice gold ring. A magnet hidden under the coin in my ring lets me check coins discreetly. You can also get a small bar magnet and glue it to the bottom of a ring,this way you can just appear to lay a coin in your hand to examine it and can feel the pull from the magnet if its a steel counterfeit. I don't want to make a legitimate dealer angry by testing a coin in front of him,most legit dealers won't mind anyway. A dealer who is knowingly selling counterfeit coins won't want you to test them, of course, and will act very offended, but I always call them out on fake coins anyway, just loud enough for others around us to hear. At a coin or gunshow other dealers nearby will get the word out about the fake dealer.
@@busymountain My understanding of the counterfeit act of 1864 signed by Lincoln, was that no company or private individual shall make any coin usable by or for other individuals, persons or company's that are not minted by a federal government mint or authorized mint. Can't recreate US coin as that is counterfeit. This was my understanding.
Tapps47 private companies make coins or rounds. Maybe it’s about definition. But I do believe that making a round that is counterfeit is not the same as making a US dollar counterfeit. Maybe someone can clarify who is better in the know.
Great test, enjoyed the video! I tried the strong magnet and it works on my Morgan and Peace dollars. I also tried the magnet on JFK half dollars dated 1964 through 1985; it glides slowly too. Then, I read Peter's comments after I tried the test and I agree with him.
I know a guy that had been in an accident back about 2000. He was laid up at home for months. Ebay was just becoming popular. My friend would buy up old Morgan dollars and Pieces of Eight. I was visiting him when he won the bid on a Piece of Eight that he paid $40 bucks for. He told me was trying to buy every Piece of Eight that came up for bids. By the time he was healed up he had a bunch of M.D. and P of E. I wonder if he bought any phony's back 22 years ago. I sure hope not! I'm going to tell him to watch this video. Well done and thank you. I am United States Army Ret.
Thank you for your comment and your service, fortunately for your friend 22 years ago Chinese counterfeits hadn't started flooding the market yet - so I would guess his purchases are probably legit.
The magnet is one of several test that we should all be doing. Reason #263 I don't buy anything from anyone other than a national dealer unless I can check it first. There are sooo many fakes out there, especially on ebay. I bet there are many in this community that have them in their stacks and do not even know it. I got taken once a long time ago and since then have been extremely cautious and measure, weight, ping and magnet test everything! Thx!
Magnet testing is great, but beware, the fake coins that have been stamped on a copper planchet and then silver plated will react very similar to the real silver coins when magnet tested? These copper plated coins do exist and they're not that uncommon. This is where you really need to carry a scale and know what the coins are suppose to accurately weigh. And even if the coin weighs correctly, this is not 100% full proof either. It's also really good to know the distinct sound of silver with the ping test. But at the end of the day if all else fails the acid test needs to be done. However, the sellers/owners of the fake silver usually won't allow you to deface their coins with a acid test. If this happens just walk away from the deal. I'm just saying it's easier to get ripped off than you think these days, even when you have done two or three good tests to prevent it. However, knowing what to do will certainly cut your losses in a big way. But please know this as well, there are absolutely Chinese fake silver coins that are stamped on 90% silver planchets, this is a 100% fact. But obviously these fake silver coins are usually the key date coins that have a higher book value. Again, I don't think anyone would stamp one of these fake silver coins with a common date, that would just be stupid. I'm sure people can educate themselves on how to identify these fake 90% silver coins, but at this point I personally have no idea, I just know they exist and many are very good fakes. Nothing is safe from being fake, not even the Silver bars. Silver can be a very scary investment, specially on Ebay? If you deal with private sellers on Ebay long enough, you "will" get ripped off. I swear, none of the constitutional silver coins are exempt from being fake anymore. Maybe if you get ripped off it won't be deliberate or intentional, but it will happen! It's best to just go ahead spend the extra money and deal with a reputable seller like Sunshine that has a decoder lens that shows their silver bars are valid! Good luck! Collecting silver is allot of fun if you can afford it and your willing to accept the risk and still enjoy yourself and smile about it.
This is good. Even dealers often do not know this. One caveat. Copper too will produce a slow magnet. So a silver coated copper round would not fail this test. It would be thicker though.
That's awesome. Thanks for the very simple trick. Glad to say all of my collection is legit😀😀👍👍 but I also purchased fakes to help educate friends and family on the dangers of buying fake silver. And you just helped me add an new trick to the book. Thank you so much for sharing. And let's keep those slow maple syrup maple leafs legit. That's my silver heroin. Is Canadian maple leafs. Thanks again..👍👍
I bought silver war nickels from a guy on ebay called Longhorn Coins and 4 of the 40 were super shiny, my magnet picked them right off the table, they weighed 4 grams and 6 grams (not 5g) and they were measuring at a different thickness and width than all the others. Sounded like crap when i struck them against each other. Also, there was a 1946 and a 1960 in the batch. Watch out for him.
I always buy off eBay. Look at reviews. If you know where you’re buying from it’s impossible to get fakes. APMEX, and many more trusted shops are on eBay
Just wanted to say thanks for the video.didnt know you could do this.i have some magnets out of hard drives that were free that are neodymium that I can use to check
This is precisely why I refuse to buy anything silver unless it comes from Provident Metals or Littleton Coin co. So far so good with those two dealers. Quick shipping times as well. I have a bag full of fake silver I bought when I first got into stacking silver. Looking back on it I can’t believe I was so stupid because knowing what I know now the fakes are so obvious. But anytime you start something new you’re going to take some lumps. But they’ll never get me again that’s for sure.
I saw the post about purchasing neodymium magnets from ebay but does anyone know any walk in stores to buy them from ? I've never used ebay and am somewhat shy to use my credit cards online. Thanks
Silver coins will have a very specific ring to them. Also someone else mentioned that if you put one end of the coin on something cold like ice then the whole coin should become just as cold in under 2 seconds since silver is very thermally conductive.
How would I test 12 gauge silver rods I got two but the acid won't sit it just drips down and the magnet test is not quite working right prtobably cause it is not flat
The magnet test is not the most conclusive test for silver. As you might have noticed some of the of test just slide down and the metal test may have more silver plating it then most other counterfeits so the scratch test may actually have a thicker plating than most other metals, so the scratch tests could be nonconlusive, taking a bit more silver than normal and would still pass the test. . Basically all that I can say is that there are a number of different ways to fool test and the more tests, there are more ways to counteract and/or counter the test.
Jesus, I wish I would have seen your video prior to purchasing a Silver Eagle on line just over a month ago. It also came in a round plastic casing and I can't help but wonder now whether or not my coin is fake or what. Thanks for the info, it'll help a lot in the future. Take care partner!
Question, as I'm new. At the end with the horse you said this is a magnetic round and of course the magnet stuck. You also said they make them not magnetic as well. At least that's what I hear you saying around 6:15. Can I assume that when you say non-magnetic, you mean .999 silver and not something else like what's written in the paragraph below. Are there any ways to make a non-magnetic round without silver? Meaning, are there elements, either used singly or a combination of elements, that are non-magnet and around the same periodic table weight? It's not the hardest thing to do, mix several elements together to reach 1 ounce and even easier with 5s and 10s. Do you understand what I mean? Can a person use a 3/4 oz round made of copper or brass, then add aluminum to reach 95%, then coat it with $2 of Silver. Of course, we would have to know the weight of the silver and aluminum used + .750 oz of brass. I'm not going to create anything fake. In fact, I failed college metallurgy to play basketball. Just curious.
@@Silveready1 Nice lesson on that magnet demo. Looking to buy a testing kit. Do the drops cause any damage to gold, silver etc.? Lastly, I read gold can be easily cleaned with no issues lying in bowl of white vinegar for 15 minutes. What's your opinion on that?
excuse my misspellings but your video has made me very nervous since I have thousands of dollars invested in my silver and the magnet falls very very fast off every single piece I own. And all were purchased directly from the US mint
Silveready1 I've a 3" woofer speaker with a strong magnet on the back. If I slide the coin on that, will that work? I have bigger speakers, with bigger magnets, and at least 1 8" speaker needs to be opened up to have the wiring redone, too...
If you use weight as a test do not presume one weight for one year is the same for other years. Online look for definite statements for weights of the year you are testing.
can you let me know please why it's slightly slower. and I have a huge speaker magnet that's all I've got should the coin slide off the speaker magnet slower. the silver rounds that I have are purchased from a bullion dealer not online should that not make them safe
"can you let me know please why it's slightly slower." Silver is diamagnetic. A web search for "diamagnetic properties of silver” will reveal a number of sources that explain this behavior.
I bought some silver YEARS ago and just put it away. Didn’t realize how bad fakes were being sold until recently. What about sound? I noticed one bar I have sounds a bit different than the others when you do a short drop on a hard surface. Is determining the difference in the sound they make a good way to detect fakes?
The only drawback with the magnet is that copper and silver have nearly the same electrical conductivity therefore hey slide the same. It's still a good test.
Those fakes have been done by the same people who do the real ones too. It's the banks who also make those fake gold bars. Regarding this paramagnetic property of silver, there are also copper and lead which are also paramagnetic, so lets take a look at their stats: _magnetic susceptibility_ (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism) - Copper's is -1 (Xm * 10^(-5)) - Silver's is -2.6 (Xm * 10^(-5)) - Lead's is -1.8 (Xm * 10^(-5)) _density_ - Copper's is 8.96 g/cm³ - Silver's is 10.49 g/cm³ - Lead's is 11.34 g/cm³ From this data it could be reasoned that lead is actually a better choice when counterfeiting silver coins because it has nearly similar magnetic susceptibility and density with silver. I doubt that you can tell a fake from a real one by using this method if the fake one is made from lead. I would love you to prove me wrong though by doing an experiment with a copper and lead bars. You could try how the magnet acts when sliding on their surface and compare it to how it slides on the silver coin. One more test you could do is by measuring the density of the coin. You could sink them in some super narrow water bottle and look how much the water level rises from the coin. This tells you their volume. Then you could weigh them with some accurate diamond scale and from these stats you could calculate the density of the coin, and if it matches the density of silver, then it is a real one.
For Eagles you don't need a magnet test or acid test. All you need to do is buy from a reputable dealer and get your goods in sealed US mint tubes. Take the guessing game out of it. It's nice to have a real round to compare any newly acquired rounds with. Rarely do fakes weigh out exactly at the right weight. Get a accurate scale and see. A ping test is also interesting as we all know that each coin has it's own unique sound that cannot be faked if not pure.
clearasvodka good suggestions, I like the convenience of the magnet and usually carry it around with me when I go to coin shows, ive had pretty reliable results with all kinds of silver bars and coins (also caught a few fakes) -Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very interesting. I thought 999 silver was not magnetic whatsoever. Can you explain why there is some attraction with the neo magnet? What’s going on here?
Now what you should do: Test a .999 round, test a 30 drachma .835, test a .720 Mexican whatever, test a 1974-77 Canadian 50% dollar, test a 40% clad Kennedy. The magnet test gets flaky @ 50% and under.
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Brilliant test. Just tried it on a large silver spoon. The magnet does not stick to the silver but only has a slight attraction while it is moving over the silver. Thank you!
That’s a good practice test! Thank you!!!
Specific gravity tests never lie, check it out, easy and it won't damage your 🪙
The "magnetic" force that the Neodynium magnet does on silver is not magnetism. It is actually anti gravity. I think it will work on gold and copper as well. They are in the same column of the periodic table of elements.
Its called EDDY currents. Its creating an electric current inside the silver round, causing a magnetic restriction on the moving. Its the same as dropping a magent through a copper coil that the ends are shorted out. The magnet will fall super slow as the electricity its generating puts magnetic friction on the motion downward with gravity...... I always do the thermal test with it. Hold one end, touch the other something ice cold. less then 2 sec the whole coin should be the same temp as the ice cube.
Wonder if copper would have same great conductivity?
Thanks man! I busted out some of my suspect rounds and tested them. No fakes, but a very awesome way to test! Thanks again.
West Coast Picks glad to hear it, thanks for watching
West Coast Picks smarter than the average bear!
West Coast Picks I did too lol
appreciate it, glad your rounds were all good.
Love the.video,nits sad when we can't even collect coins without worrying about fakes. It's just sad, thieves need to be locked up
I agree!
That was interesting to watch. It's sad to think how many people that are trying to prepare for the stock market crash/ dollar reset are getting conned and robbed. Thanks for sharing that valuable information.
Thanks for this great video,, I have been buying Morgans, Peace, and silver rounds for a couple years now and have a good little stash, and never once thought of fakes till I seen this vid yesterday. I went right to Home Depot after work and bought a cool Neodymium magnet for $4 and did the test,,,
Not a single fake in the bunch,,!,, I have bought from a few private e-bay sales and a couple professional online silver dealers and it was nice to know I have got scammed. Now I will check each one when I get it,,,
Thanks again,,,
glad to hear it! thanks for watching and commenting - Keep on stackin'!
+Silveready1 good
"it was nice to know I have got scammed" You like getting scammed?
The easiest way to buy real silver is to know your source that you buy from.
weigh it
Getting ripped off bothers me .. Thanks for the help
Thank you! new to silver, bought 5 coins that looked to glossy/ bright / sharp compared to the rest so was a bit scared i got scammed, but now, with this video, I could test them myself, turns out they probably are legit!
thank you for the great explanation!
to tell if it is silver, just download a "sound frequency spectrum" APP to listen to the sound of knocking, the staying sound should be around 4200 Hz for a 26.7 gram silver coin
I have seen this explained before but not to the point where I felt like it was a good test - But you did! Now I see what you mean by sticky surface! As someone that buys coin lots at auction - you never know what your getting! 👍
Why not just weigh the coin???? I've read about a hundred comments and only one guy alluded to doing that. Am I missing something? If your 1oz Silver Eagle isn't weighing in at 1oz or your Morgan Dollar isn't weighing 26.7gm they're a fake.
Copper density is miles away from silver, so are steel, tin, brass, zinc or whatever other cheap metal someone might try to substitute.Either the coin will be way thicker than normal (pretty easy to spot) or weigh a whole lot less than it should. Lead is way more dense than silver and the coin would have to be really thin to have correct weight, again easy to spot.
Or are people actually creating some kind of lead alloys with a similar density to silver? I find it difficult to believe that happens a lot.
Precise digital scales are probably cheaper than rare earth magnets at this point. ($7 on Ebay)
I'm a numismatic novice so don't scorch me too bad if I'm missing something here..........
I don’t know what alloys are being used to produce the fakes, but I do know that many of the copies have similar weights as the originals.
Letting that magnet rub on any real coins bothers me :)
Especially a proof.
just leave the proof coins in their plastic capsule when doing the test.
Getting a fake coin would "bother" you a helluva lot more...
that plastic cover is a good idea--I scratched one of my coins!
@@Silveready1 Believe you mentioned that.
I had NO IDEA of this test & simply want to say thank you for the TIP ! ! !
thanks for watching and commenting!
Lenz's law.. magnet has a magnetic field, induces a magnetic field into the silver. Silver is an excellent conductor, any conductor will do the same that is not ferrous. Drop one of those magnets down a copper pipe and it will fall very slowly because of 2 magnetics fields. That also why an electric motor works...
If my coins are smaller than the magnet, would it work if I place the magnet in an angle and I make the coins slide down on it?
you could possibly try a comparison with a non silver coin of similar dimensions, small silver coins aren't counterfeited as often in common dates, but you have to be careful of rare or Key date silver coins.
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what you do is do this basic test with the magnet, that roots out steel and brass silver plated then you either buy an identifying metal detector(vlf), or get a detectorist to scan them.
a magnet wont discriminate between copper and silver but a vlf detector with target id will, silver stackers can always acid test of course, coin collectors can buy a detector.
Excellent video!! I’ve been look for the last 3 hours for a off the grid way to test silver without acids this n the water density test is a very good option!! I’m hitting up amazon for a 🧲 rite now!!
You might be able to find neodynium magnets at hobby stores. One near me used to have them. I haven't been there for a while.
Great realisation of explaining how easy it is to use these magnets and why it should be mandatory for all bullion buyers. With se protection for the coin of course.
In a book Sears gave me to read in preparation to be a store detective I read than an expert will know how exactly far from the coin to make it look like the coin is silver but the coin will be steel or copper with a nickel coating. Also, the angle to the coin is important- a little difference between a fake seeming to be silver. Also if you have some fakes you can say it is a fake to some potential buyers who collect the fakes. Keep your ears open in case the buyer is not saying that the coin is a fake to a potential buyer of his- do not sell to him again.
Not sure what this means…?
Warning: some coin dealers are selling fake coin testers. I don't know this, but the thought crossed my mind.
I am just an amateur coin collector, starting in the 1960's as a kid. I understand the coin is a fake that the magnet sticks to. However, if US silver coins are 90% silver and 10% copper, why would there be any draw to the magnet? Also, how do counterfeiters make fakes completely void if iron? They must use some sort of "junk" mixture of metals, no?
The real silver coins aren't "drawn" to the magnet. Think of it more of if your sliding the magnet down a teflon coated plastic vs rubber. Neither is magnetic, but the magnet will behave very differently on each surface.
It's called diamagnetic properties of some metals. Read all about it. Fakers can plate other cheap materials.
You learn something new everyday...
Why would it be difficult to use metals other than iron? Nonsense
problem is, if a fake coin has a copper center core it will also make the magnet move slowly.. both silver and copper have almost the same influence on the magnet (eddy currents)
Pyro Chimp silver is slightly more drag effect in the magnet the sound test will expose the copper
You have me freaked out on how many silver fakes I may have bought now and last week I just bought a half dozen of those year of the horse ones as well. Oh I'm looking for a magnet right now - thanks for the tip!
Hope everything turns out all right!
I found several on Amazon and you're right, they are very inexpensive. Is there any one specific size or thickness we should be using for this test? smile.amazon.com/s?k=neodymium+magnet+disc&ref=sr_gnr_aps
Other than needing to know the size of magnet needed to use I came across some really large ones on that amazon link I found as well and was wondering if that wouldn't be a better way of doing it is to get a much larger Super Strong Neodymium Magnet 1.5 x 3/8" and see how silver slides off the magnet instead of the other way around? What are your thoughts.
If you want a strong magnet, go out trash picking and find a burned out microwave. open it up and look for a cubical box with poles sticking out both ends. that's the magnetron.there are 2 donut shaped magnets in there that are very powerful.
stay away from the pink ceramic pieces, they contain beryllium if you break them the dust is TOXIC and dangerous, breathing in the dust WILL cause lung cancer.
cut the metal with snips or whatever you have to to avoid breaking the ceramic parts.
Just as good if not better, tear apart a old computer hard drive. Two very strong magnets inside. No toxicity problems and all you need is a hammer.
good way to get shocked to death
No, it is not. Assuming you are not so dumb as to not remove the disk from the power supply first. Or, if you are that dumb, maybe you will win this year's Darwin award!
Probably wouldn't hurt to get a bunch of fakes to act as decoys for a home robbery.
Excellent you tube on detection of fake silver coins and rounds.
Bill Rundell
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Lenz law ?
Won't copper do that as well
So magnet love silver ????
Thanks for that Silveready1.
I've been stacking for two years now and hadn't had any fakes. Did alot of my shoping online and used ebay on a significant number of purchases, no problems - until recently.
Out of the five coins bought two were fakes. I bought a proof/reverse proof SSSB round with all the bells and whistles (the box with SS on & the signed cert etc)
It looked the "dogs B's",the weight was perfect but it rang like foil wrapped chocolate! It was just nasty.
And today I received a round i liked the look of ( New World Order, Honest Weights For Honest Men); it was just unusual and, though I do not necessarily agree with its sentiments, it looked quirky and unusual. Did my due diligence.
It came in at 29.3grams, rang like copper but, worst of all! the neodymium stuck to it like a hungry mole on a worm sandwich. It even hugged the edge. I've never seen that before.
Didn't bother with the specific gravity test.
Filed for a refund just now.
Well that sucks. Luckily like you said, it hasn't happened a lot.
ebay is the last place you wanna buy sliver from
IBO completely wrong. I've gotten plenty puff great deals on there.
Better check that the coins are not fakes. Bring the coins to a local dealer.
@@ibo1780 Buy from Apmex and you will never have to worry. About Ebay,
Ebay has a "money back guarantee" if purchased items are not as
advertised...... whether the seller agrees or not. Purchase from highly rated, established sellers with positive feedback. Buy a precious metal from a coin shop and take it back....... I can tell you what 8 of 10 coin shops return policy will be........ I buy and sell on ebay and ebay has stood good on their return policy several times.
This happens with base metals too, especially copper.
A good and reliable test:
1. Equipment needed - an iPhone, etc. with a musical frequency tuner app (ie. Cleartune, etc.); and, THICK ceramic or marble, etc. tile about 12 X 12".
2. Simply drop the coin onto the Tile and observe the 'note' (frequency) that the dropped coin makes when it bounces onto the tile, 'read' the the note's *frequency* on the iPhone.
3. Standardize/calibrate: obtain a certified US mint 'Walking Liberty' .999 1 oz. coin. Drop and note the FREQUENCY on the 'meter' of the app. Use that frequency as your 'standard' for .999 purity, etc.
3a. Do the same sequence with pre-1963 .9 purity 'junk silver', etc. (different frequency response for each 'size' coin dime, quarter, half dollar, etc. ).
If you're good at 'perfect pitch' (many musicians are) simply remember the calibration 'note'.
Your 1896 morgan dollar could be fake if its core is made of copper because copper is as diamagnetic as silver.
jpmvidal I guess do a size test and weight test??
A good easy way to test them discreetly is to hide a magnet under a ring on your finger. I wear a coin ring,a tenth Oz gold eagle coin in a nice gold ring. A magnet hidden under the coin in my ring lets me check coins discreetly. You can also get a small bar magnet and glue it to the bottom of a ring,this way you can just appear to lay a coin in your hand to examine it and can feel the pull from the magnet if its a steel counterfeit. I don't want to make a legitimate dealer angry by testing a coin in front of him,most legit dealers won't mind anyway. A dealer who is knowingly selling counterfeit coins won't want you to test them, of course, and will act very offended, but I always call them out on fake coins anyway, just loud enough for others around us to hear. At a coin or gunshow other dealers nearby will get the word out about the fake dealer.
So the fake coin is sticky to magnet?? You did not explain behavior of real silver coin contact with magnetic
Very good video! You were very clear and the little quiz was helpful to teach. Thank you for sharing! 🙏
My understanding of these fake coins is that they are counterfeit. Which is against the law.
Tapps47 only the Sovereign coins are illegal if counterfeited not the regular coins made by companies.
@@busymountain My understanding of the counterfeit act of 1864 signed by Lincoln, was that no company or private individual shall make any coin usable by or for other individuals, persons or company's that are not minted by a federal government mint or authorized mint. Can't recreate US coin as that is counterfeit.
This was my understanding.
Tapps47 private companies make coins or rounds. Maybe it’s about definition. But I do believe that making a round that is counterfeit is not the same as making a US dollar counterfeit. Maybe someone can clarify who is better in the know.
You can only counterfeit official government currency (Silver Eagles, Maple leafs, etc.), countefeiting silver rounds is fraud.
@@erichaynes88 regardless its still illegal.
I know my silver is real whem i purchase from jm... Comes with invoice and everything...
I also have a good voice - listen to this 🎼🎼🎼🎼
Great test, enjoyed the video! I tried the strong magnet and it works on my Morgan and Peace dollars. I also tried the magnet on JFK half dollars dated 1964 through 1985; it glides slowly too. Then, I read Peter's comments after I tried the test and I agree with him.
Be careful, the magnet will react similarly with thicker copper coins plated in silver.
Philippine Commonwealth Coins minted in Manila in 1938-1940 are so rare and hard to find.
Thanks for making this video. I’m going to get one of those magnets.
So if I can stick a refrigerator magnet to the coins, they are fakes? Right?
I know a guy that had been in an accident back about 2000. He was laid up at home for months. Ebay was just becoming popular. My friend would buy up old Morgan dollars and Pieces of Eight. I was visiting him when he won the bid on a Piece of Eight that he paid $40 bucks for. He told me was trying to buy every Piece of Eight that came up for bids. By the time he was healed up he had a bunch of M.D. and P of E. I wonder if he bought any phony's back 22 years ago. I sure hope not! I'm going to tell him to watch this video. Well done and thank you. I am United States Army Ret.
Thank you for your comment and your service, fortunately for your friend 22 years ago Chinese counterfeits hadn't started flooding the market yet - so I would guess his purchases are probably legit.
The magnet is one of several test that we should all be doing. Reason #263 I don't buy anything from anyone other than a national dealer unless I can check it first. There are sooo many fakes out there, especially on ebay. I bet there are many in this community that have them in their stacks and do not even know it. I got taken once a long time ago and since then have been extremely cautious and measure, weight, ping and magnet test everything! Thx!
Cull Silver I think you're right - there are a lot of stackers that buy from anyone because the price is low - just assuming it's real.
Where'd did you buy your magnet?
Magnet testing is great, but beware, the fake coins that have been stamped on a copper planchet and then silver plated will react very similar to the real silver coins when magnet tested? These copper plated coins do exist and they're not that uncommon. This is where you really need to carry a scale and know what the coins are suppose to accurately weigh. And even if the coin weighs correctly, this is not 100% full proof either. It's also really good to know the distinct sound of silver with the ping test. But at the end of the day if all else fails the acid test needs to be done. However, the sellers/owners of the fake silver usually won't allow you to deface their coins with a acid test. If this happens just walk away from the deal. I'm just saying it's easier to get ripped off than you think these days, even when you have done two or three good tests to prevent it. However, knowing what to do will certainly cut your losses in a big way. But please know this as well, there are absolutely Chinese fake silver coins that are stamped on 90% silver planchets, this is a 100% fact. But obviously these fake silver coins are usually the key date coins that have a higher book value. Again, I don't think anyone would stamp one of these fake silver coins with a common date, that would just be stupid. I'm sure people can educate themselves on how to identify these fake 90% silver coins, but at this point I personally have no idea, I just know they exist and many are very good fakes. Nothing is safe from being fake, not even the Silver bars. Silver can be a very scary investment, specially on Ebay? If you deal with private sellers on Ebay long enough, you "will" get ripped off. I swear, none of the constitutional silver coins are exempt from being fake anymore. Maybe if you get ripped off it won't be deliberate or intentional, but it will happen! It's best to just go ahead spend the extra money and deal with a reputable seller like Sunshine that has a decoder lens that shows their silver bars are valid! Good luck! Collecting silver is allot of fun if you can afford it and your willing to accept the risk and still enjoy yourself and smile about it.
thank you very much! how about Al instead of Mg. I'll try tomorrow...
This is good. Even dealers often do not know this. One caveat. Copper too will produce a slow magnet. So a silver coated copper round would not fail this test. It would be thicker though.
That's awesome. Thanks for the very simple trick. Glad to say all of my collection is legit😀😀👍👍 but I also purchased fakes to help educate friends and family on the dangers of buying fake silver. And you just helped me add an new trick to the book. Thank you so much for sharing. And let's keep those slow maple syrup maple leafs legit. That's my silver heroin. Is Canadian maple leafs. Thanks again..👍👍
I bought silver war nickels from a guy on ebay called Longhorn Coins
and 4 of the 40 were super shiny, my magnet picked them right off the table, they weighed 4 grams and 6 grams (not 5g) and they were measuring at a different thickness and width than all the others. Sounded like crap when i struck them against each other. Also, there was a 1946 and a 1960 in the batch. Watch out for him.
I swear it's not me . . . I swear on my dead cat's eyes
Rule #1 Never ever buy precious metal off of Ebay or Amazon.
I always buy off eBay. Look at reviews. If you know where you’re buying from it’s impossible to get fakes. APMEX, and many more trusted shops are on eBay
The relief looks high on the fakes. I've handled a lot if clad in my days in minting and even the sound is a give away
Just wanted to say thanks for the video.didnt know you could do this.i have some magnets out of hard drives that were free that are neodymium that I can use to check
This is precisely why I refuse to buy anything silver unless it comes from Provident Metals or Littleton Coin co. So far so good with those two dealers. Quick shipping times as well. I have a bag full of fake silver I bought when I first got into stacking silver. Looking back on it I can’t believe I was so stupid because knowing what I know now the fakes are so obvious. But anytime you start something new you’re going to take some lumps. But they’ll never get me again that’s for sure.
Is this the same concept with Gold? Or is it’s magnetic properties different than silver? Thanks.
I saw the post about purchasing neodymium magnets from ebay but does anyone know any walk in stores to buy them from ? I've never used ebay and am somewhat shy to use my credit cards online. Thanks
Where in the harddisk are they?
If you purchase your metals from Ebay expect it is a fake. Chinese dont go to jail.
So;
weigh the coin.
Test it for magnetism.
Acid test.
are there other tests?
Thank you.....The weight test. That is what im thankful for.
Tells on fake bills also.
Silver coins will have a very specific ring to them.
Also someone else mentioned that if you put one end of the coin on something cold like ice then the whole coin should become just as cold in under 2 seconds since silver is very thermally conductive.
How would I test 12 gauge silver rods I got two but the acid won't sit it just drips down and the magnet test is not quite working right prtobably cause it is not flat
THank you, for sharing the test of fake and real.
Very good. But how do I know if my magnet is real neodymium?
The magnet test is not the most conclusive test for silver. As you might have noticed some of the of test just slide down and the metal test may have more silver plating it then most other counterfeits so the scratch test may actually have a thicker plating than most other metals, so the scratch tests could be nonconlusive, taking a bit more silver than normal and would still pass the test. .
Basically all that I can say is that there are a number of different ways to fool test and the more tests, there are more ways to counteract and/or counter the test.
Jesus, I wish I would have seen your video prior to purchasing a Silver Eagle on line just over a month ago. It also came in a round plastic casing and I can't help but wonder now whether or not my coin is fake or what. Thanks for the info, it'll help a lot in the future. Take care partner!
Take home lesson - NEVER buy a bullion coin in a case.
Question, as I'm new. At the end with the horse you said this is a magnetic round and of course the magnet stuck. You also said they make them not magnetic as well. At least that's what I hear you saying around 6:15. Can I assume that when you say non-magnetic, you mean .999 silver and not something else like what's written in the paragraph below.
Are there any ways to make a non-magnetic round without silver? Meaning, are there elements, either used singly or a combination of elements, that are non-magnet and around the same periodic table weight? It's not the hardest thing to do, mix several elements together to reach 1 ounce and even easier with 5s and 10s. Do you understand what I mean? Can a person use a 3/4 oz round made of copper or brass, then add aluminum to reach 95%, then coat it with $2 of Silver. Of course, we would have to know the weight of the silver and aluminum used + .750 oz of brass. I'm not going to create anything fake. In fact, I failed college metallurgy to play basketball. Just curious.
yes mostly plated non-ferrous metals like brass
@@Silveready1 Nice lesson on that magnet demo. Looking to buy a testing kit. Do the drops cause any damage to gold, silver etc.? Lastly, I read gold can be easily cleaned with no issues lying in bowl of white vinegar for 15 minutes. What's your opinion on that?
You did not state which strength Neodymium magnet we should use. Starts at N35 then many levels to N52. Which do you use?
GREAT video where can I get the magnet? Hardware store? Home depot?
Is it n35 neodymium 🧲? Or n52 would work better on this coin test?
I would use a 35.
excuse my misspellings but your video has made me very nervous since I have thousands of dollars invested in my silver and the magnet falls very very fast off every single piece I own. And all were purchased directly from the US mint
Silveready1 I've a 3" woofer speaker with a strong magnet on the back. If I slide the coin on that, will that work? I have bigger speakers, with bigger magnets, and at least 1 8" speaker needs to be opened up to have the wiring redone, too...
Not sure, but it's worth a try!
Thank you! Could you recommend where to purchase such magnet?
Martin Zhekov they are really cheap on amazon and eBay.
If you use weight as a test do not presume one weight for one year is the same for other years. Online look for definite statements for weights of the year you are testing.
I usually just flip coins, silver makes a ringing sound.
Yes i ping my purchases BUT some fakes still ring like silver!
Thank you very much! I am just starting to educate myself with this stuff.
Welcome back bro! The community has missed you!
WavyGravy01 Thanks wavy.
can you let me know please why it's slightly slower. and I have a huge speaker magnet that's all I've got should the coin slide off the speaker magnet slower. the silver rounds that I have are purchased from a bullion dealer not online should that not make them safe
"can you let me know please why it's slightly slower." Silver is diamagnetic. A web search for "diamagnetic properties of silver” will reveal a number of sources that explain this behavior.
I bought some silver YEARS ago and just put it away. Didn’t realize how bad fakes were being sold until recently. What about sound? I noticed one bar I have sounds a bit different than the others when you do a short drop on a hard surface. Is determining the difference in the sound they make a good way to detect fakes?
About what size and thickness is your magnet?
it's about the size of a nickel - but has to be a neodymium magnet.
hey buddie what about trade dollars?they are 90%silver/10%copper does this test works on them?
Such a helpful video. Thanks for posting!
The only drawback with the magnet is that copper and silver have nearly the same electrical conductivity therefore hey slide the same. It's still a good test.
Those fakes have been done by the same people who do the real ones too. It's the banks who also make those fake gold bars.
Regarding this paramagnetic property of silver, there are also copper and lead which are also paramagnetic, so lets take a look at their stats:
_magnetic susceptibility_ (source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism)
- Copper's is -1 (Xm * 10^(-5))
- Silver's is -2.6 (Xm * 10^(-5))
- Lead's is -1.8 (Xm * 10^(-5))
_density_
- Copper's is 8.96 g/cm³
- Silver's is 10.49 g/cm³
- Lead's is 11.34 g/cm³
From this data it could be reasoned that lead is actually a better choice when counterfeiting silver coins because it has nearly similar magnetic susceptibility and density with silver. I doubt that you can tell a fake from a real one by using this method if the fake one is made from lead. I would love you to prove me wrong though by doing an experiment with a copper and lead bars. You could try how the magnet acts when sliding on their surface and compare it to how it slides on the silver coin.
One more test you could do is by measuring the density of the coin. You could sink them in some super narrow water bottle and look how much the water level rises from the coin. This tells you their volume. Then you could weigh them with some accurate diamond scale and from these stats you could calculate the density of the coin, and if it matches the density of silver, then it is a real one.
what's the grade and dimensions of the magnet? N52, 15mm x 2mm ? (or 12mm x 2mm)? Thanks
Does this work on the hard plastic case too?
So, what are the ones made out of that don't attract the magnet at all?
Thanks 4 the tip, I've never seen this tip before
Awesome day to watch the boss!
What are the fake? The three that you moved?
Great idea for reg. Issue coins or bullion, but for proof coins I would be hesitate to test because of scratching it may leave. Thanks
PART TIME PREPPERS you can slip proof coins into a plastic coin sleeve and then do the test, it seems to work just as well in the sleeve.
Does this work on gold coins as well?
For Eagles you don't need a magnet test or acid test. All you need to do is buy from a reputable dealer and get your goods in sealed US mint tubes. Take the guessing game out of it. It's nice to have a real round to compare any newly acquired rounds with. Rarely do fakes weigh out exactly at the right weight. Get a accurate scale and see. A ping test is also interesting as we all know that each coin has it's own unique sound that cannot be faked if not pure.
clearasvodka good suggestions, I like the convenience of the magnet and usually carry it around with me when I go to coin shows, ive had pretty reliable results with all kinds of silver bars and coins (also caught a few fakes) -Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very interesting. I thought 999 silver was not magnetic whatsoever. Can you explain why there is some attraction with the neo magnet? What’s going on here?
Now what you should do: Test a .999 round, test a 30 drachma .835, test a .720 Mexican whatever, test a 1974-77 Canadian 50% dollar, test a 40% clad Kennedy. The magnet test gets flaky @ 50% and under.
Will this work on coins that are 40% silver?
I scan them with my Fisher F75 LTD SE metal detector and it tells me if they are silver or fake.
Great .
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where to buy a magnet?
Atiq Khan ebay
JMC
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Yeah that's why you don't buy foreign coins especially ones from China.
Ok I got a a lot of coins from Jmbullion and didn't want to put a magnet on them before I put them in a air tight should I be concerned ?
Ruben 16 if you got them direct from JMB, APMEX, etc you don't have anything to worry about.
can you write magnes mass, diameter and thickness?
Great video SR1! I picked out the fakes! :o) Glad to see you back!
OneVeryHappyBird Thanks HappyBird.
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Jules Verne , take a grammar class.
Good Video. Does this test work on all fakes regardless of composition?