@Ryan Wilson just looked it up. 141. I bought those issues. Was a fan back when they were just reprinting the old issues. Became a rabid fan at issue 101, when they introduced Phoenix.
Somewhere in a parallel universe, Hogan stays with AWA. David Von Erich lived on to become multiple time NWA champion and World Class is one of the top companies. Mid South is still taking over on Saturday nights and they've never gone out of business. And Vince McMahon has a podcast explaining what if he had signed Hogan.
Vince MacMahon's business was never threatened by the existence of the last remaining territories. There were millions of pro wrestling fans, and millions more of semi-fans who could have supported several companies. It was paranoid thinking on his part.
Man, Vince calling out Kerry Von Erich on his jacked up foot? That is the lowest of the low.. What little, if any respect, I may have had for that crazy old man is gone. As a Texas WCCW girl, that is despicable... you do not screw with the Von Erichs!
@Heather Wright, I would've LOVED to have seen Fritz come out of retirement & punch Vince in the face because of Vince killing the business, that's what Bob Geigel, Ole & Harley wanted to do.
True that you don’t screw with the von Erich’s but that’s only cause they had so much hardship already that it’d be the most unnecessary bullying in the history of bullying and I love the Texas tornado as a kid :p
It was an age gap too. Vince was the only major promoter in his early 40s. The rest being in their late 50s and 60s. They could not cope with the new style of promotion. If given the opportunity and resources, all of the promoters would’ve tried the same thing, especially Watts and Gagne
@@bonlouis8808 Or his unwilling nature to let go, because that company is his True Love and I agree with Abe Knuckleball Schwartz when he said in a Shoot Interview, the day Vince leaves WWE I wouldn't be stunned to hear Vince dying Eight months Later or something close to that time period.
This is also why when Vince called a lot of his Dad's friends asking them to sell Vince their territories, a lot of them said to him: "Are you mad, no!" or something a lot less PG then that, I understand it from their perspective: "My friend's kid, wants me to purchase my business, I have been doing this for at least two decades or more, he has never promoted without his Dad and he thinks he knows better than I,?!" I know Eddie Graham died right after Vince tried to make WWE national, I think if Vince called him up, Graham would have said "Hell no!"
Age and risk tolerance. Vince made a longshot bet with everything he had when he bought the WWF. The deal supposed was that if he missed one payment, he would lose the promotion. He was also right on the edge of failure at the time of the first wrestlemania. McMahon was young and not yet a success. But you turn it around and you have a guy in his 50s like Verne. Verne isn't going to risk every penny he has and he isn't going to give up the success in life he already has. In part, because even if he won he would probably be so old that he wouldn't enjoy it anyway.
There was a man of great vision, and there’s not even a plaque or signpost or a statue in this town! Someone put a bullet in his eye. Nobody knows who gave the order. So when he turned up dead I let it go. And I said to myself, this is the business we’ve chosen. I didn’t ask who gave the order because it had nothing to do with business! - Hyman Roth
First thing first. Absolutely SUPERB artwork on this thumbnail Second thing. It was the 80’s, pal. This was happening everywhere. Promotions buying other promotions and the NWA couldn’t find their own asses with their hands tied behind their backs. Lack of understanding of modern technology (I.e. understanding and acting on the growing coverage of cable television) and better marketing from the WWF. Vince presented a product that people wanted to see.
Wrestling has gone through two major kill-off's/die off's in my lifetime. Once, as Mr Cornette stated, in the early 90's and then more recently the late early to mid 10's. The only difference is post the last one, there wasn't a direct rebound and I doubt there ever will be at this point. I'm surprised there are any wrestling fans left to be honest.
The funniest part of these guys getting finessed by Vince all those years ago is that Vince has dyslexia and learning disabilities. His late 90s documentary and words he exchanged with Gallows about how he came up with the Festus gimmick indicates that he probably spent chunks of his school life in that one section at the end of the hallway. To any fellow Special Ed teachers out there, Vincent Kennedy McMahon is a prime example of how you should never lose hope or think little of the kids that wind up in your class! He just might grow up into a billionaire driving competitors out of business on a nationwide scale!
Nah, fam, they'll fuck it up by setting half of it in the present witHim getting bitched @ on social media by the legions of unlikable teenagers introduced by Brian Michael Bendis.
yup, if Tony Khan was smarter he'd set up about 4 territories to develop his talent and run a 40-ish man touring main roster, a MLB/AAA baseball setup with a territory in each region.
I am 41 years old have watched wrestling since birth. I watched for the first time lastnight. Kerry von Erik vs Rick flair at the Texas superdome I think. Biggest crowd, biggest pop I'd ever heard. Didn't know that Kerry was champion at least for 3 weeks.
It was the biggest crowd of that time 50 plus thousand but it wasn't at the Superdome it was at Texas stadium in Dallas and compare that 50000 no lightshow no celebrity stunts and no outrageous red carpet type of ants just pure wrestling
Cornerine the Professor wants you to go back to the past in order to change Wrestling's timeline to save its future from a Cosplay, Video game, Invisibleman, Gymnastics death. You may not come back but you are our hope to save Wrestling as we knew it.
What a trip! On Thanksgiving 1987. Starcade and Servior Series aired on the same day. Talk about stepping on toes on both wrestling promotions. NWA/WWF/WWE competition. That was nuts.
I have mixed feelings about this because on one had I feel like that the days were numbered for the territories era as soon as cable TV became a thing. If Vince didn't take his promotion national, someone else (probably Crockett) would have. But on the other hand, Vince did a lot of shady and cutthroat things which were unnecessary for expanding his company, the only reason he did them was to hurt the other guys. So yes I think Vince knew exactly what he was doing when he raided talent and did all of the other ruthless things he did at the time. But at the same time I think that most of the territories would have went out of business anyway without or without Vince.
I kinda disagree on Corny saying WWF was hokey. You did have good Wrestling like the Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation rivalry, Savage was in his prime and strong teams like the Rougeaus, Killer Bees, Rockers. WWF did have their share of good wrestlers but it was still "The Land of the Giants ".
When he says hokey he means WWF got too much like show business with the bright lights, theatrical entrances, comedy segments and moved away from the traditional setup of being taken as a sport
It was fun in the eighties being at wrestling fan in Oklahoma, 3 different promotions ! But bill watts was king , he had controlled most of the state of Oklahoma plus 2-3 other states ! Fritz von Erich had southern part of Oklahoma and dory funk had control of the Oklahoma panhandle area of the state .
Lol IMAGINE if Verne Gagne would have won then, and now we were watching Verne Being the Vince Mcmahon, and it was Greg Gagne with high top Nikes commentating Raw Underground and claiming to be the 'Best in the World' lol
@@Jim-Tuner but the way I described it they'd be doing the same things including Raw Underground lol... I think he would have been way more strict to holding wrestling to its roots and seemingly legit.. But, I don't think in a day and age when everyone has access to the internet, and profiles for every wrestler, that it would be able to work anymore.. Also he definitely wouldn't have grown it to as big as Vince did, so we would definitely lose out on some things.. But I would DEFINITELY love to have people Actually believe in Wrestling mostly, or at least pretend to believe in it, instead of Vince making it all Sports Entertainment
@Nathaniel Baxter Hogan, yes he would have. Verne came up with the babyface hogan gimmick. Savage could go either way NWA or AWA he'd have fit fine in either one.
I sub to the drive thru on my podcast app. I listen to the yt clips all the time. I’ve never once left a comment on any yt podcast post ever. I’m commenting now to say that thumbnail is the greatest thumbnail in the history of this channel. Thank you.
That's the thing I've wanted to ask Cornette. Pro wrestling was going to die due to cable tv. The only guy that figured that out was Vince who figured out how to go National before anyone else and barely succeeded at that with WM1 being an all or nothing thing. So, knowing that his style of pro wrestling (which as a 45-year-old) was going to die off anyway, why is he ranting and raving about pro wrestling today? It's the only thing that survived. Now, this video he tries to pin it all on WWF's comedy wrestling appearing and killing the business, except that started in 1984 and he's trying to place the death in 1990 so that 6 years must have been fine (it wasn't). But that's why no one, and I mean no one has succeeded in bringing back 1980s pro wrestling. ROH sort of tried but never broke out until they went away from that towards more regular wrestling.
@@scottsmartky There are things that I don't agree with Cornette on but I respect his thoughts all the same having lived through it. Because he's a fan first who later became indoctrinated to the business rather than other wrestlers in that era who were athletes first who turned to wrestling when their first idea didn't work out (see all of the former football guys like Dusty and Ernie he talked about a few days ago), I think Corny wasn't looking so much as the short-term bigger money and more at how long was it going to last. He forgot to mention that salaries of NBA and NFL players were FAR lower back then than they are now, and the exchange rates were different then too. As for today's topic, I would think a lot of those old-school fans weren't only driven off by how WWF was hokey, but by how WWF was prominent. If the other territories kept pace it would have just been a matter of watching them instead of WWF. WWF did more than just take fans away from the territories, they focused on creating an entirely new generation of fans who liked that aesthetic more than what was already there. Katie Lea said many years ago she got into wrestling with the crazy superhero type characters like Ultimate Warrior and the Undertaker. Her family tried getting into her World of Sport stuff but she found it boring and didn't get back into wrestling until stuff like Kane caught her interest again. Different strokes for different folks.
@ShadowAngel It's so much the fact that it was a myth more than it was the fact that Vince was the only one equipped to see it through, and the pace he was doing it at was troubling. This is STILL where many promoters falter when they try to shoot above their station. Vince wasn't JUST a wrestling promoter, he was also a promoter of boxing and concerts. He recognized while there were guys he wanted on top, it was more due to the fact that he felt it would be best for business more than just his own preference. It's why when he stepped into the limelight as a clear villainous character in the aftermath of the Screwjob, he always made sure he was the one who took the brunt of the beatings and any time he did win was just to further an angle where he'd get destroyed by Austin or his ilk: it was good business at the time. Of course now he's a senile coot with years and years of head bumps, drugs, and alcohol aging his mind and body, but this was back then.
@@psychobluesfxt He wasn't the only one equipped. Jim barnett had the national idea in the 70's before vince. Barnett going to Australia and going national there was a test run. But by the time Jim came back to the US, Vince had already started.
WCW never had the nostalgia that Vince gave the fans. He always made matches classics. WCW never did that. I've always thought that was a big factor. Nobody in WCW ever cared about Rude/Steamboat because they never talked it. Bulldog/Hart always was a classic because Vince promoted it later as a classic match.
That's not what I said. WCW had way better matches. They just never promoted the nostalgia of those great matches the way Vince did. I remember Terry Funk/Ric Flair feud as a kid but never got to relive it until youtube came along because WCW never ever mentioned it.
@Roger Morrison, the hell WCW didn't have the "nostalgia", they always had the footage & was why did the Slamboree PPV events with the legends being there & etc. Vince has never cared about the legends, the only reason he does now is because he has NO FAITH OR TRUST in anyone that's on his current talent roster.
@@chadk890 ric flair also talked about that on the raise and fall of wcw DVD he said that if Jim Crockett had stayed in between the Carolinas and Illinois the crocketts would still be in business
Lord knows Vince is no saint and is probably the greatest Shoot and Kayfabe Heel ever BUT i dont get why ppl expect Vince to not be ruthless when it comes to business. You can find shoot interviews shitting on Bill Watts,Verne Gagne,Jerry Jarrett...NONE of them were upstanding business men when it came to money. And most of them would later go work FOR him after he gave them the opportunity to. Paul Heyman and even Jim himself both knew they couldnt stop the money machine and instead worked with McMahon also. I think the territories could’ve stayed but the promotor’s egos would never allow them to answer to somebody else. Vince is the same way.
With all of these promotions in the 70s to 90s, it’s hard to figure out what promotions to watch matches on and the documentaries with them to get an understanding of what the wrestling industry was like before Vince blew up. I know about the Dark side of the ring, but that’s it.
This is not a thumbnail, This is Art worthly of being framed.
HAHA love the X-men swipe. Classic. you should have drawn miniature tennis racket claws.
After I sent to Brian, i realized I should have
@@travisheckel5576 you are the man sir and thank you for helping make my mornings more entertaining 😀
I was just about to comment that. Great call back.
What was that issue,140?
@Ryan Wilson just looked it up. 141. I bought those issues. Was a fan back when they were just reprinting the old issues. Became a rabid fan at issue 101, when they introduced Phoenix.
Best thumbnail ever. Ever.
chris claremont and john byrne would be proud.
Thanks Bat
@@bladestormviking thought the same thing! Days of Cornettes Past.
Indeed this is easily the perfect thumb nail and should be this shows logo.
@@travisheckel5576 dude, thanks go to you! I'll sometimes watch a video just to figure out what you were thinking as you drew.
WWE: Days of Wrestling’s Past
This has got to be my favorite artwork so far. What a great idea!
This is indeed the worst timeline for pro wrestling.
@@BahGawdHass but probably the ONLY one outside 616.
Then, now, forever
Jim Cornette sends his mind back in time to his younger self so he can murder Vince Russo before he can ever get into the wrestling business.
Somewhere in a parallel universe, Hogan stays with AWA. David Von Erich lived on to become multiple time NWA champion and World Class is one of the top companies. Mid South is still taking over on Saturday nights and they've never gone out of business. And Vince McMahon has a podcast explaining what if he had signed Hogan.
How do we get there?
Is there some Dr. Strange type out there who could send me to this world?
if he couldn’t get Hogan, wouldn’t he gone after one of the Von Erichs (Kerry) or Dusty Rhodes?
And Stephen P. New is a Supreme Court Justice………….
"Your father Vince shook every promoters hand and swore he woudnt compete agains them and that his son woudnt compete against them" - Paul Heyman
(In reference to the delivery of a FedEx package tracking number) "That's too many numbers?" Just take one off..."
-Paul Heyman
Yeah, Paul Heyman trying to act as a beacon of integrity and honesty is so much horseshit I'm shocked he didn't burst into flames at that moment.
They were running out of business and Vince capitalized
Without any doubt Paul would've done the same thing, if he was in Vince's shoes. I like Paul but you better believe he'll paint him self as a Saint.
The ECW locker room found out Paul was gone when he was doing commentary on Raw
Vince MacMahon's business was never threatened by the existence of the last remaining territories. There were millions of pro wrestling fans, and millions more of semi-fans who could have supported several companies. It was paranoid thinking on his part.
I love the days of future past inspired thumbnail
Man, Vince calling out Kerry Von Erich on his jacked up foot? That is the lowest of the low.. What little, if any respect, I may have had for that crazy old man is gone. As a Texas WCCW girl, that is despicable... you do not screw with the Von Erichs!
@Heather Wright, I would've LOVED to have seen Fritz come out of retirement & punch Vince in the face because of Vince killing the business, that's what Bob Geigel, Ole & Harley wanted to do.
True that you don’t screw with the von Erich’s but that’s only cause they had so much hardship already that it’d be the most unnecessary bullying in the history of bullying and I love the Texas tornado as a kid :p
@@TheSportsfan35 Verne also.
Agree, I’m Texas born and the von erichs were gold you don’t take jabs at them after what the family has dealt with. Wccw lives forever
Clicked just to say: Holy shit! A Days of Future Past reference in the thumbnail! Awesome work once again by the artist!
It was an age gap too. Vince was the only major promoter in his early 40s. The rest being in their late 50s and 60s. They could not cope with the new style of promotion.
If given the opportunity and resources, all of the promoters would’ve tried the same thing, especially Watts and Gagne
And Vince has been 10 years behind the times since the early 90s.
Michael Smith Very true but he could let his foot off the gas because no one was or has been breathing down his neck
@@bonlouis8808 Or his unwilling nature to let go, because that company is his True Love and I agree with Abe Knuckleball Schwartz when he said in a Shoot Interview, the day Vince leaves WWE I wouldn't be stunned to hear Vince dying Eight months Later or something close to that time period.
This is also why when Vince called a lot of his Dad's friends asking them to sell Vince their territories, a lot of them said to him: "Are you mad, no!" or something a lot less PG then that, I understand it from their perspective: "My friend's kid, wants me to purchase my business, I have been doing this for at least two decades or more, he has never promoted without his Dad and he thinks he knows better than I,?!" I know Eddie Graham died right after Vince tried to make WWE national, I think if Vince called him up, Graham would have said "Hell no!"
Age and risk tolerance. Vince made a longshot bet with everything he had when he bought the WWF. The deal supposed was that if he missed one payment, he would lose the promotion. He was also right on the edge of failure at the time of the first wrestlemania. McMahon was young and not yet a success.
But you turn it around and you have a guy in his 50s like Verne. Verne isn't going to risk every penny he has and he isn't going to give up the success in life he already has. In part, because even if he won he would probably be so old that he wouldn't enjoy it anyway.
Vince offered to buy Verne out and Verne thought he was Moe Greene saying you don't buy me out I buy you out and then Vince put one through his eye.
LMAO!
Not from what I understand. It was more of "That's not a high enough number for the geographical region I have." And then vince flaked out.
There was a man of great vision, and there’s not even a plaque or signpost or a statue in this town! Someone put a bullet in his eye. Nobody knows who gave the order. So when he turned up dead I let it go. And I said to myself, this is the business we’ve chosen. I didn’t ask who gave the order because it had nothing to do with business! - Hyman Roth
@@davidkos74 That was an amazing scene.
Well said sir. Well said.
I think that Jim probably got a massive kick out of this art
All of the art is great but this is one of my favorites. Simply brilliant.
Badass reference in the thumbnail lol I really want this on a T shirt.
needs to be a t-shirt
just the AWA
I'd buy that for a dollar!
It's so damn good.
What's the reference?
First thing first. Absolutely SUPERB artwork on this thumbnail
Second thing. It was the 80’s, pal. This was happening everywhere. Promotions buying other promotions and the NWA couldn’t find their own asses with their hands tied behind their backs. Lack of understanding of modern technology (I.e. understanding and acting on the growing coverage of cable television) and better marketing from the WWF. Vince presented a product that people wanted to see.
Days of Future Past!! After Jim recently booked Marvel versus DC Comics, this is such a fantastic thumbnail!
I think the end of the territories would make a great documentary series. Hosted by Jim Cornette.
Jim Cornette and David Crockett
X-Men 141 and 142...the 2nd best X-Men arc ever (Phoenix /Dark Phoenix )...well done, Travis!
Wrestling has gone through two major kill-off's/die off's in my lifetime. Once, as Mr Cornette stated, in the early 90's and then more recently the late early to mid 10's. The only difference is post the last one, there wasn't a direct rebound and I doubt there ever will be at this point. I'm surprised there are any wrestling fans left to be honest.
The funniest part of these guys getting finessed by Vince all those years ago is that Vince has dyslexia and learning disabilities. His late 90s documentary and words he exchanged with Gallows about how he came up with the Festus gimmick indicates that he probably spent chunks of his school life in that one section at the end of the hallway. To any fellow Special Ed teachers out there, Vincent Kennedy McMahon is a prime example of how you should never lose hope or think little of the kids that wind up in your class! He just might grow up into a billionaire driving competitors out of business on a nationwide scale!
I’ve seen that documentary. It was called “Headliners and Legends.”
The thumbnail is truly incredible.
Astonishing*
Marvelous?
Thanks
Uncanny
Web of
Days Of Rasslin Past
Vince Sr= Vito Corleone
Vince Jr= Michael Corleone
So Vince pulled a Godfather Michael Corleone/christening on em
I'm glad I'm not the only one to appreciate the thumbnail! Well done, once again, Travis Heckel.
Travis will never, ever top this thumbnail. Fantastic.
Next week he swipes a classic (Jack "King" Kirby-drawn) Fantastic Four cover and you're glad to be proven wrong....
USA Network is how WWF got to the midwest. I remember watching it as a kid and seeing TBS wrasslin' and thinking it was a lot of angry yelling, haha.
Marvel should make a Jim comic book about his days in the territories
Cornette did have a graphic novel produced a year ago called Behind The Curtain. They may be still on sale at Corny's online store.
Nah, fam, they'll fuck it up by setting half of it in the present witHim getting bitched @ on social media by the legions of unlikable teenagers introduced by Brian Michael Bendis.
I honestly think they should do a TV show based on his and Jerry the king stories.
He should ink that deal with DC.
@@bradpaton3927 who's that?
I was in high school when Jim and Dog was in Mid South. I miss those days. Man I wish WCW hadn’t folded.
Now we need a thumbnail of the X-men #1 of Jim as Professor X cheering on MJF, FTR and Rhea Ripley as his X-men.
The Exalted One Jim Cornette #141 - Days of Territories Past
Pro Wrestling definitely would've benefited from the territories if they still existed.
yup, if Tony Khan was smarter he'd set up about 4 territories to develop his talent and run a 40-ish man touring main roster, a MLB/AAA baseball setup with a territory in each region.
"BEST. THUMBNAIL. EVER."
- #13 on the list of things I NEVER thought I would say/ write
What makes it so great is I think 10% of people who see it will get it.
I am 41 years old have watched wrestling since birth. I watched for the first time lastnight. Kerry von Erik vs Rick flair at the Texas superdome I think. Biggest crowd, biggest pop I'd ever heard. Didn't know that Kerry was champion at least for 3 weeks.
It was the biggest crowd of that time 50 plus thousand but it wasn't at the Superdome it was at Texas stadium in Dallas and compare that 50000 no lightshow no celebrity stunts and no outrageous red carpet type of ants just pure wrestling
Jim Cornette is a Walking Wrestling Encyclopedia 😆 You gotta love it!
That Kerry Von Erich story kind of genuinely pissed me off
The Days of Future Past artwork is simply fantastic! Love the comic references!!
Okay...paying homage to Days of Future Past in that thumbnail gets an automatic like.
Already been stated, many times, but this is the b e s t thumbnail of them all.
AWA WAS on national TV. I remember watching Stan Hansen as AWA champion in 1986 or so and it was on ESPN, I believe running nationwide.
AWA, WCCW and GWF then USWA were all on my ESPN over the years (I say it that way because not all cable lineups were the same way back).
Cornerine the Professor wants you to go back to the past in order to change Wrestling's timeline to save its future from a Cosplay, Video game, Invisibleman, Gymnastics death. You may not come back but you are our hope to save Wrestling as we knew it.
Great Homage to the X-men "Day of Future Past" The Artist is Amazing on these pictures for the UA-cam Show bits.
If the consciousness of Vince Russo and Jim Cornette fused, it would create wrestling’s version of Onslaught.
God help us all.
This needs to be on a t-shirt. Just need a separate image of Vince as a Sentinel.
The thumbnails are pure gold. Whoever does them needs a raise.
Attention: You are now leaving a Outlaw show.
Imagine today's Vince McMahon meeting 80's Vince before buying the WWF from his father.
" IT WAS ME VINCE, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!!" 😂😂
Nahhhh this is the best drawing yet 😂😂😂 my compliments to Travis
X Men Days past super freaking cool!!!
Best Travis Heckel art yet!!! Just needed Brian as Kitty Pryde lol
Pardon my nerdness, but the X-men comic cover reference in the thumbnail is epic. Total geek-gasm. Lol
He didn't get Mid South which JCP did, but Vince already got many of Mid South's top stars.
What a trip! On Thanksgiving 1987. Starcade and Servior Series aired on the same day. Talk about stepping on toes on both wrestling promotions. NWA/WWF/WWE competition. That was nuts.
I have mixed feelings about this because on one had I feel like that the days were numbered for the territories era as soon as cable TV became a thing. If Vince didn't take his promotion national, someone else (probably Crockett) would have. But on the other hand, Vince did a lot of shady and cutthroat things which were unnecessary for expanding his company, the only reason he did them was to hurt the other guys. So yes I think Vince knew exactly what he was doing when he raided talent and did all of the other ruthless things he did at the time. But at the same time I think that most of the territories would have went out of business anyway without or without Vince.
That thumbnail is amazing, my favorite yet.Corny and the X-Men...perfect.
Nice reference to Days of Future Past arc.
I was seeing that meme from Its always Sunny in Philadelphia
X-Men cover, haha !!! :D I love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sooo dope. I like it
Just as much as I love Jim destroying aew I enjoy his wrestling history talk of past even more
LMFAO 10:05 “I was always on the side it was getting done to” HAHA
I kinda disagree on Corny saying WWF was hokey. You did have good Wrestling like the Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation rivalry, Savage was in his prime and strong teams like the Rougeaus, Killer Bees, Rockers. WWF did have their share of good wrestlers but it was still "The Land of the Giants ".
That's a fair take specially when they got Demolition over.
That "good wrestling" wasn't the majority, it was the exception.
Now?
When he says hokey he means WWF got too much like show business with the bright lights, theatrical entrances, comedy segments and moved away from the traditional setup of being taken as a sport
@@Charzhino Fair point, especially back then
AWESOME "Days of Future Past" artwork. I applaud
Long Live The Territories
It was fun in the eighties being at wrestling fan in Oklahoma, 3 different promotions ! But bill watts was king , he had controlled most of the state of Oklahoma plus 2-3 other states ! Fritz von Erich had southern part of Oklahoma and dory funk had control of the Oklahoma panhandle area of the state .
I NEED this artwork hanging on my apt wall
Sweet take on a classic Uncanny Xmen cover for the Days of Future Past story that they used as a film premise
Killer Days of Future Past thumbnail. My favorite yet! Classic!
Lol IMAGINE if Verne Gagne would have won then, and now we were watching Verne Being the Vince Mcmahon, and it was Greg Gagne with high top Nikes commentating Raw Underground and claiming to be the 'Best in the World' lol
Either way Hulk Hogan would have been used to catapult the wrestling business..
I'd actually rather watch that than the current WWE product.
@@Jim-Tuner but the way I described it they'd be doing the same things including Raw Underground lol... I think he would have been way more strict to holding wrestling to its roots and seemingly legit.. But, I don't think in a day and age when everyone has access to the internet, and profiles for every wrestler, that it would be able to work anymore.. Also he definitely wouldn't have grown it to as big as Vince did, so we would definitely lose out on some things.. But I would DEFINITELY love to have people Actually believe in Wrestling mostly, or at least pretend to believe in it, instead of Vince making it all Sports Entertainment
@Nathaniel Baxter I doubt it. Verne wouldn't have used Hall or Nash on top. Turner stealing them would have meant less than nothing.
@Nathaniel Baxter Hogan, yes he would have. Verne came up with the babyface hogan gimmick. Savage could go either way NWA or AWA he'd have fit fine in either one.
So the answer is yes. Vince wanted wrestling to be on national tv. The regional promotions would eventually die off. They couldn't compete.
As a comic/wrestling fan I love the artwork.
Best thumbnail EVER!
So...the exact person you should hold the most contempt for, you give pardon to.
Promotions from Vince's past
Quick question, why isn’t Jim Crockett in the HOF? Vince has put every other territory promoter into the HOF but not Jim? Any reason why?
I sub to the drive thru on my podcast app. I listen to the yt clips all the time. I’ve never once left a comment on any yt podcast post ever. I’m commenting now to say that thumbnail is the greatest thumbnail in the history of this channel. Thank you.
Man these artist drawings for Jim’s UA-cam page are amazing I wonder who draws them for him
Travis Heckle.
@@astuteandy thank you
@@betunia98 you're welcome.
That is an incredible graphic for a fantastic show.
12:58 "...An asshole who doesn't like wrestling." That sounds like Vince McMahon to me.
that is a GREAT X-Men pull.
Clicked to see the praise for the thumbnail 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
The Days of Future Past art legit made me mark out. Travis is hitting home runs every time.
Ok this artwork should be in a museum.
HA! Nice take on the classic X-Men cover with Wolverine against the wall.
Once cable TV came into the mix, it was going to be Evolve Or Die for everyone.
Precisely, the Territories had become centered around local Network TV, the old guard didn't know how to adapt to the National Market
That's the thing I've wanted to ask Cornette. Pro wrestling was going to die due to cable tv. The only guy that figured that out was Vince who figured out how to go National before anyone else and barely succeeded at that with WM1 being an all or nothing thing. So, knowing that his style of pro wrestling (which as a 45-year-old) was going to die off anyway, why is he ranting and raving about pro wrestling today? It's the only thing that survived. Now, this video he tries to pin it all on WWF's comedy wrestling appearing and killing the business, except that started in 1984 and he's trying to place the death in 1990 so that 6 years must have been fine (it wasn't). But that's why no one, and I mean no one has succeeded in bringing back 1980s pro wrestling. ROH sort of tried but never broke out until they went away from that towards more regular wrestling.
@@scottsmartky There are things that I don't agree with Cornette on but I respect his thoughts all the same having lived through it. Because he's a fan first who later became indoctrinated to the business rather than other wrestlers in that era who were athletes first who turned to wrestling when their first idea didn't work out (see all of the former football guys like Dusty and Ernie he talked about a few days ago), I think Corny wasn't looking so much as the short-term bigger money and more at how long was it going to last. He forgot to mention that salaries of NBA and NFL players were FAR lower back then than they are now, and the exchange rates were different then too. As for today's topic, I would think a lot of those old-school fans weren't only driven off by how WWF was hokey, but by how WWF was prominent. If the other territories kept pace it would have just been a matter of watching them instead of WWF. WWF did more than just take fans away from the territories, they focused on creating an entirely new generation of fans who liked that aesthetic more than what was already there. Katie Lea said many years ago she got into wrestling with the crazy superhero type characters like Ultimate Warrior and the Undertaker. Her family tried getting into her World of Sport stuff but she found it boring and didn't get back into wrestling until stuff like Kane caught her interest again. Different strokes for different folks.
@ShadowAngel It's so much the fact that it was a myth more than it was the fact that Vince was the only one equipped to see it through, and the pace he was doing it at was troubling. This is STILL where many promoters falter when they try to shoot above their station. Vince wasn't JUST a wrestling promoter, he was also a promoter of boxing and concerts. He recognized while there were guys he wanted on top, it was more due to the fact that he felt it would be best for business more than just his own preference. It's why when he stepped into the limelight as a clear villainous character in the aftermath of the Screwjob, he always made sure he was the one who took the brunt of the beatings and any time he did win was just to further an angle where he'd get destroyed by Austin or his ilk: it was good business at the time. Of course now he's a senile coot with years and years of head bumps, drugs, and alcohol aging his mind and body, but this was back then.
@@psychobluesfxt He wasn't the only one equipped. Jim barnett had the national idea in the 70's before vince. Barnett going to Australia and going national there was a test run. But by the time Jim came back to the US, Vince had already started.
The image is Jince McCornette.
Loving the X-Men thumbnail reference 👍
WCW never had the nostalgia that Vince gave the fans. He always made matches classics. WCW never did that. I've always thought that was a big factor. Nobody in WCW ever cared about Rude/Steamboat because they never talked it. Bulldog/Hart always was a classic because Vince promoted it later as a classic match.
That's not what I said. WCW had way better matches. They just never promoted the nostalgia of those great matches the way Vince did. I remember Terry Funk/Ric Flair feud as a kid but never got to relive it until youtube came along because WCW never ever mentioned it.
@MemphoWrasslin1 that makes sense, keep them looking strong.
@Roger Morrison, the hell WCW didn't have the "nostalgia", they always had the footage & was why did the Slamboree PPV events with the legends being there & etc. Vince has never cared about the legends, the only reason he does now is because he has NO FAITH OR TRUST in anyone that's on his current talent roster.
@@rogermorrison403 they didn't have way better matches, it was close Wwf won alot of match of the year
Love the X-men reference!
It took my brain .058 seconds to register how brilliant the thumbnail is. And it is brilliant 🤘
I love the X-men Days of Future Past Image !!!
Days of Corny's past ;)
That could be the name of thiShow, actually!
His song "Stand Back" was about him taking wrestling over.
It was about Jim Crockett Promotions
@@chadk890 and he came out with that after the success of WM 3 so the Crockett's had to stand back.
@@tree1005 Crockett tried to go into Vince's towns and it was a mistake. Nassau Coliseum was a disaster, Corny talks about that.
@@chadk890 ric flair also talked about that on the raise and fall of wcw DVD he said that if Jim Crockett had stayed in between the Carolinas and Illinois the crocketts would still be in business
“Days of Future Jim” is great :) Travis just needed to make Brian Kitty Pryde :)
Actually Kate.
@@vincentbethea2288 oh yeah! Good call :)
yeah this art is an astonishing reference. also very interesting listen,
There was enough fans and money for different companies to coexist.
Great job Mr. Heckel! You are spectacular!
Lord knows Vince is no saint and is probably the greatest Shoot and Kayfabe Heel ever BUT i dont get why ppl expect Vince to not be ruthless when it comes to business. You can find shoot interviews shitting on Bill Watts,Verne Gagne,Jerry Jarrett...NONE of them were upstanding business men when it came to money. And most of them would later go work FOR him after he gave them the opportunity to. Paul Heyman and even Jim himself both knew they couldnt stop the money machine and instead worked with McMahon also. I think the territories could’ve stayed but the promotor’s egos would never allow them to answer to somebody else. Vince is the same way.
With all of these promotions in the 70s to 90s, it’s hard to figure out what promotions to watch matches on and the documentaries with them to get an understanding of what the wrestling industry was like before Vince blew up. I know about the Dark side of the ring, but that’s it.
There's youtube right here, for a start. I've watched matches from the 1950s on up here. And there's NWA classics on demand.
Don't forget "Tales from the Territories."
X-men 141 LOl, I see Travis is a man of culture.
Disney gonna sue somebody!!!!!!! The thumbnail is awesome!!!!
Nice “ XMEN days of future past” numb nail
That thumbnail is uncanny,captures the topic perfectly . Should be a tshirt