Tom Brokaw Says Farewell to NBC Nightly News

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  • Опубліковано 15 гру 2008
  • After bringing viewers the news for nearly 23 years, NBC News anchor, Tom Brokaw, gave his parting words on December 1st, 2004, expressing gratitude for what he got in return.
    Aired on 'NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw' on 12-01-04
    Song: "Thanks for the Memory" performed by Bob Hope is owned by Geffen Records and NBC Universal.
    Copyright notice: Fair Use Section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.
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    Transcript:
    Well the time is here. We've been through a lot together through dark days and nights and seasons of hope and joy. Whatever the story, I had only one objective, to get it right. When I failed, it was personally painful and there was no greater urgency then course correction. On those occasions, I was grateful for your forbearance and always mindful that your patience and attention didn't come with a lifetime warranty.
    I was not alone here, of course. I am simply the most conspicuous part of a large, thoroughly dedicated and professional staff that extends from just beyond these cameras, across the country, and around the world - in too many instances, in places of grave danger and personal hardship and they're family to me.
    What have I learned here? More than we have time to recount this evening, but the enduring lessons through the decades are these: it's not the questions that get us in trouble, it's the answers. And just as important, no one person has all the answers.
    Just ask a member of the generation that I came to know well, the men and woman who came of age in the Great Depression, who had great personal sacrifice, saved the world in World War II and returned home to dedicate their lives to improving the nation they had already served so nobly. They weren't perfect, no generation is, but this one left a large and vital legacy of common effort to find common ground here and abroad in which to solve our most vexing problems. They did not give up their personal beliefs and greatest passions, but they never stopped learning from each other and most of all, they did not give up on the idea that we're all in this together, we still are.
    And it is in that spirit that I say, thanks, for all that I have learned from you. That's been my richest reward.
    That's Nightly News for this Wednesday night. I'm Tom Brokaw. You'll see Brian Williams here tomorrow night and I'll see you along the way.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 212

  • @vrdragon12
    @vrdragon12 6 років тому +46

    He was one of a kind. He was honest and always fair. His kind of news will never be duplicated. He's still and forever will be missed

  • @syedjavedahmad9719
    @syedjavedahmad9719 2 роки тому +8

    end of an excellent Era of true journalism and professionalism. Best of luck Mr Tom Borokaw, enjoy life after retirement.

  • @KatSut1978
    @KatSut1978 Рік тому +7

    The newsman of my generation. His generation had Cronkite. We had Brokaw. Class act all the way. The last of the great newsmen.

  • @cockshe
    @cockshe 13 років тому +6

    As a young man of 13 in the mid 80's, I was, for some reason, heavily committed to America as a nation and a world leader. My dad was away during the week, so I had the run of the place. I'll shit you not, every weekday evening, I would, at 6:30PM, tune into Nightly news. I saw the crash of 87' on Wall Street, the Intefatah in the West Bank and before evn that, the American attack on Libya. Challenger will also rate very high here. It was Tom who brought it to me, a great journalist, I'll miss.

  • @DJDeltameister110
    @DJDeltameister110 3 роки тому +19

    Sixteen years ago today, this legend departed his chair. I remember as a young boy watching this and here I am now watching it again. This man, along with Peter Jennings, will always be my some of my heroes.

  • @user-gp2en2en9l
    @user-gp2en2en9l Рік тому +5

    YEARS LATER I LOOK AT THIS WHEN GREAT PEOPLE “ SAY GOODBYE “ ❤❤❤

  • @katanaburner
    @katanaburner 14 років тому +8

    Tom Brokaw is and will remain as one of the strongest reporters ever. Through the hard times and even the most dangerous times. To me news is never the same without his strong voice of reason and strength.

  • @scottroinnel902
    @scottroinnel902 2 роки тому +13

    A true legend who always did it right

  • @kaitlynnetanner2811
    @kaitlynnetanner2811 Рік тому +5

    I grew up listening to Tom Brokaw on the news every night. I remember him reporting 9/11, when Saddam Hussein surrendered, this speech... They don't make many news anchors like him anymore. I hope the last 18 years have treated him well ❤️

  • @jakeinator722
    @jakeinator722 8 років тому +124

    Back when network news was legit and no-BS. Dan, Tom and especially Peter were the three men you could trust. Nowadays, it's full tabloid and agenda driven trash. It's really sad to see what has happened to our media.

    • @DVSyoutube
      @DVSyoutube 8 років тому +8

      +guy2008rules Yes. FOX News is full of biased and fake reports, MSNBC is also sometimes biased like FOX News.
      (NOTE: BS=Biased.)

    • @anner.5347
      @anner.5347 8 років тому +2

      +guy2008rules key word being you "could" have trusted in the PAST. now he's just another con-artist who appointed himself as judge of who has a right to be heard and who not. he's a disgrace who has cast doubt on every word he every uttered.

    • @gavinproductiongaming361
      @gavinproductiongaming361 8 років тому +4

      Even sister-network Telemundo's Pedro Sevcec and Univision's Jorge Ranos and Maria Elena Salinas had this media great at this time They along with Sevcec were trying to make evening national news soucb better even in different languages its amazing their experience. Pefro Sevcec left in 2009 from Telemundo after they ousted them and its just Ramos,Salinas. But media turns around you never know. There is some inspiring journalist and people that worked with these journalists are just trying to keep/save the past. But that's not always good, keep that in mind.

    • @truthseeker7564
      @truthseeker7564 5 років тому +5

      And Ted, you forgot Ted Koppel!

    • @evanshiong3557
      @evanshiong3557 4 роки тому +5

      For me, what I think many people miss about Jennings, Brokaw, Rather, Cronkite, Reynolds, Brinkley and others is that they understood that the news were about the viewers not them

  • @Jantv81
    @Jantv81 10 років тому +27

    I miss you Tom!!! You were my favorite anchor on the best network.

    • @tnawcwvictoria
      @tnawcwvictoria 4 роки тому +6

      I use to watch Tom Brokaw with my Grandfather and with my Dad
      My Grandfather died July 11, 1998 and my Dad died 2 days before Thanksgiving back in 2011 and I watched Tom's Farewell with my Dad whenever I visit him
      God Bless'em Both and God Bless Tom Brokaw

  • @Tonywization
    @Tonywization 2 роки тому +4

    Loved watching Tom and Jane Pauley during my first ever trip to America in the 1980s.Afterwards, a trip down to Dennys for breakfast. Happy Days.

  • @denisenoles3159
    @denisenoles3159 10 років тому +11

    I am not into glorifying celebrities but for some reason, I have always adored this man. I don't watch the Today show but if I know he will be on, I DVR it. He personifies class & all of these years later, I still miss him on NBC nightly news.

  • @seancondon5572
    @seancondon5572 4 роки тому +31

    The man who was the face of the news my entire life before graduating high school... I too miss the days when NBC was not BS.

    • @pmccoy8924
      @pmccoy8924 Рік тому

      Sean, this country's press died when Cronkite left his chair in 81. Jennings, Brokaw, and Donaldson were the last of the for the most part unbiased news. Now the empty suits sow division and hate. All bias reporting. Operation Mockingbird destroyed the press in the USA.

  • @alexcalas6726
    @alexcalas6726 7 років тому +11

    A get example of a true journalist.

  • @phillipmorales8886
    @phillipmorales8886 3 роки тому +2

    Tom Brokaw he was the best anchor in the business. I worked at a NBC affiliate in Flagstaff,AZ he would plug our local newscast's on our station ID's!

  • @appleinfl
    @appleinfl 14 років тому +7

    I can still remember watching him on tv as a kid.

  • @allenjones3130
    @allenjones3130 Рік тому +3

    Tom Brokaw was sensible enough to keep his farewell to NBC NIGHTLY NEWS relatively brief.

  • @Dewdropmon
    @Dewdropmon 10 років тому +33

    I like Brian Williams a lot but I really miss Tom Brokaw. I was really too young to pay much attention to the contents of the news (I was 12 when this aired) but I always loved listening to his voice.

  • @cjm7764
    @cjm7764 9 років тому +5

    Still after all this time... With great immense love from Canada!
    Thanks for all your coverage here
    Humble for life

  • @theenzoferrari458
    @theenzoferrari458 4 роки тому +6

    I was a kid when he was on the air. I really enjoyed hearing his voice. I really didnt care about the news but just listening to his news reports was soothing. I do remember him talking about the WTC towers on 9/11. Tom Brokaw was my childhood as Walter Cronkite was my father's childhood.

  • @michellejensen5166
    @michellejensen5166 3 роки тому +5

    God bless you Tom Brokaw.

  • @southernfratdude
    @southernfratdude 14 років тому +7

    wow 5 years have gone so fast!!!! Tom, you are a mentor to me!

  • @Isaacand716
    @Isaacand716 7 років тому +9

    I have a memory of when I was about 5, every evening I would sit on the floor and I loved watching him on NBC and say good evening for some reason . His smile just warms my heart . I'm 24 now . 😭

  • @XXRAVENS35XX
    @XXRAVENS35XX Рік тому +1

    Remember watching this as a young kid with my grandparents in the living room on the big box tv.

  • @g187
    @g187 9 років тому +32

    Tom Brokaw was fixture on my family's tv from when i was a baby to when i became teenager i loved him when he said GOOD EVENING!!! I'll miss you Tom and thank you for the memories

    • @hollypietrzak5214
      @hollypietrzak5214 7 років тому

      greg blakely he seems to be shy a little at end of his broadcast?

  • @snoops71
    @snoops71 15 років тому +3

    I watched this that evening. I was sick, but made sure I didn't miss this.

  • @pamhospodarsky6129
    @pamhospodarsky6129 7 років тому +2

    One of my bucket lists is to meet Tom. I know he loves family and saw him once on a show with a blood hound, called Sage, riding in his jeep on his property in Montana - Thanks for this great clip!

  • @rabianharris1170
    @rabianharris1170 Рік тому +1

    As a Salesman today, he's been one of my inspirations, along with Peter Jennings, Dan Rather and Bill Kurtis.

  • @peachyclean93
    @peachyclean93 6 років тому +7

    What a great man

  • @MJBYouTubeNetwork
    @MJBYouTubeNetwork 11 років тому +2

    Between Brian Willams, , Dan Rather, John Chancellor, David Brinkley, Diane Sawyer, Sam Donaldson, Ted Koppel and this legendary man, Tom Brokaw, I truly don't know who the greatest is. They're all great, And I wanna tell all of them that I truly have nothing but respect, admiration and love for all of them.

  • @Mike34er
    @Mike34er 4 роки тому +3

    A man of honor

  • @ronijohnson6137
    @ronijohnson6137 3 роки тому +2

    Happy trails to you!

  • @rebeccaduncan5366
    @rebeccaduncan5366 Рік тому +2

    good bay tom Brokaw for 23 years on NBC news as anchor , job is good too, sir ,

  • @philsraibow
    @philsraibow 10 років тому +3

    Tom Brokaw did a great job hosting NBC News! I miss him, but I like Brian Williams. I also like Lester Holt, who is on during the weekend.

    • @hollypietrzak5214
      @hollypietrzak5214 7 років тому +1

      philsraibow was tom brokaw shy on here A little?

  • @Dra741
    @Dra741 9 років тому +3

    he was one of the greatest,he educated us as he gave the news it was the right news and thats one of the reasons
    we are great nations

  • @xldjvista
    @xldjvista 9 років тому +15

    As a kid I used to run around 'interviewing' my friends: "This is Tom Brokaw from NBC nightly news!". He touched this little black kid from the Caribbean. One love Tom! #Legend

  • @KellyEntertainmentNetwork
    @KellyEntertainmentNetwork 15 років тому +2

    Brokaw is the MAN at NBC!!

  • @dchang11
    @dchang11 7 років тому +4

    Tom Brokaw - The Anchor, The American Institution

  • @zacheryalderton8787
    @zacheryalderton8787 5 років тому +2

    He is 1 of my favorite anchors

  • @Skisweetpea3
    @Skisweetpea3 15 років тому +3

    Gotta love that man!

  • @hilarioph
    @hilarioph 14 років тому +2

    Nice work Tom

  • @worldblogger2226
    @worldblogger2226 10 років тому +2

    tom was credible but have to admit, that voice like he was on something. Didn't matter. Kind of charming

  • @Fersomling
    @Fersomling 11 років тому +2

    I remember Tom on Today with Jane Pauley and Willard Scott way back in the 70s.

  • @alexcimaglia4827
    @alexcimaglia4827 9 років тому +2

    Aw Man. I miss him already

  • @danieltofteland1549
    @danieltofteland1549 5 років тому +2

    I met this guy when I was a kid and I didn’t even know he was famous. I just figured he was just some random old guy.

  • @andrewscungio3200
    @andrewscungio3200 Рік тому +1

    Seen on the December 1st 2004 brodcast of nbc nightly news with tom brokaw (after more than 2 decades) before Brian Williams took over as the news anchor on December 2nd of that same year. Back then (before he became the then permanent news anchor for nbc nightly news) Brian Williams would substitute for tom brokaw (as well as others before him) for a few times including September 10th 1994, March 8th 1997, December 20th 2002, October 30th and November 15th 2004. Then on July 5th 2009 Lester Holt would substitute for Brian Williams (as well as others before him) for a few times before he became a permanent news anchor on February 7th 2015. Brian Williams would have his final broadcast on February 6th 2015.

  • @marvincohen9290
    @marvincohen9290 3 роки тому +1

    Happy retirement, Mr. Brokaw!

  • @Jantv81
    @Jantv81 13 років тому +2

    @GOllumboy101 A Man who was ALWAYS dedicated to his work and made a network look good. I am a fan of Mr. Brokaw and serves as one of my heros in broadcasting.

  • @ScottKorin
    @ScottKorin 13 років тому +6

    Wait... was that Bob Hope singing? When was that from? Hope was already dead in 2004.

  • @emilywood7397
    @emilywood7397 Рік тому +1

    For the final time sir

  • @zabrinatheteacher
    @zabrinatheteacher 10 років тому +14

    Jimmy Fallon's impersonation of Jim Brokaw is hilarious.

    • @hollypietrzak5214
      @hollypietrzak5214 6 років тому

      Zibby Zee why did Tom just vanish and disappear all of a sudden anyway?

    • @johnpat3622
      @johnpat3622 6 років тому

      Jim Brokaw?

    • @ApartmentKing66
      @ApartmentKing66 5 років тому

      Who's Jim Brokaw? Never heard of him.

  • @MaidenUtah1
    @MaidenUtah1 3 місяці тому

    His coverage of the death of former President Zherald FAH-ord in 1997 was first rate journalism! We’ll miss you Tom.

  • @rebelyell22
    @rebelyell22 11 років тому +2

    I miss Tom :(

  • @greghiggins2283
    @greghiggins2283 5 років тому +2

    great job tom Brokaw

  • @ScoopNemeth
    @ScoopNemeth 14 років тому +1

    One of the last remaining bastions of old-school television news
    Dan Rather was forced out in March 2005, and Peter Jennings died of lung cancer six months later that same year

  • @DMurdock
    @DMurdock 11 років тому +1

    and it seems to me you lived your life like a candle in the wind

  • @chriswillis1585
    @chriswillis1585 Рік тому +2

    Truth in the news stopped after this segment.

  • @crusader037972
    @crusader037972 14 років тому +2

    With all that has happened at NBC, Brian Williams...be on your guard, someone might want their job back....
    just kidding, Tom, you're classic and classy.

  • @director7685
    @director7685 3 роки тому +2

    Who sung the song at the end???? Was it bob hope?

  • @ruthlessluder
    @ruthlessluder 2 роки тому +1

    He signed off before UA-cam was even here.

  • @rebeccaduncan5970
    @rebeccaduncan5970 Рік тому +1

    sill like the job tom Brokaw had the life time job doing NBC nightly news for a long time and his end was good too, thinking you tom Brokaw for doing the job you had like Dan doing it CBS ,

  • @gregariousgoliath
    @gregariousgoliath 10 років тому +14

    brewery

  • @k_np04
    @k_np04 4 роки тому +9

    I remember when on election night Decision 2004 Brokaw said: “I am sure that Obama will give a lot to talk about him in the coming years.” 4 years later......President 😂😂

  • @ReconRaptor
    @ReconRaptor 14 років тому

    The Best

  • @DVSyoutube
    @DVSyoutube 8 років тому +1

    From 1956 until 2000's, there were great legends on NBC News, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, John Chancellor, Jessica Savitch, Bryant Gumbel, Jane Pauley, Katie Couric and Tom Brokaw.

    • @anner.5347
      @anner.5347 8 років тому

      +유동균 (DVSofficial) And now there are those who proved that everything they pretended to believe in was a lie - Brokaw's GREATEST GENERATION wouldn't piss on Brokaw if he was on fire because he is a traitor who makes a mockery of that Great Generation.

    • @DVSyoutube
      @DVSyoutube 8 років тому +1

      +Miss My Nation NBC News slipped down since Brian Williams came in 2004.

    • @hollypietrzak5214
      @hollypietrzak5214 6 років тому

      Why Tom brokaw always smile at the end everything anyway?

    • @ApartmentKing66
      @ApartmentKing66 5 років тому

      Not sure I'd call Gumbel or Couric "legends."

    • @madelinehayes-jk9xl
      @madelinehayes-jk9xl Рік тому

      so sad Jessica Savitch is no longer with us!!

  • @davesmith6815
    @davesmith6815 7 років тому +1

    (Joke coming, for those with no sense of humor.) Goes to show you can have a great career with a deformity. Yup, that thing between his lip and nose, normally two nearly parallel lines, the philtrum. His is triangular, kind of making him look like a dog or some other animal. (Semi-serious transition now.) Even though it always bugged me, I watched him. In fact, I think it affected how he formed his words, giving him a bit of a unique sound. (Serious part now.) Also, he was my favorite because he, like Tom Hanks, respected and loved the greatest generation, which includes my father who grew up and suffered in the depression then was infantry in WW II.

  • @hssenior
    @hssenior 9 років тому +4

    We will miss you Tom :(

  • @johnking5174
    @johnking5174 9 років тому +7

    From a British person, please can anyone in the US tell me where that accent of Brokaw is from? Weird pronunciation. Great newscaster thought.

    • @CJW0056
      @CJW0056 9 років тому +2

      John King He sounds to me like general midwest that's typical of news anchors, but he just has a certain "style" in some of his pronunciations that makes him unique...and probably contributed to his success a bit.

    • @johnking5174
      @johnking5174 9 років тому +2

      We have a news anchor here in Britain on the BBC called Huw Edwards who is welsh and has a very pronunced welsh accent. Huw Edwards would be our version of Brian Williams (without the lying of course).

    • @stevenseminara4782
      @stevenseminara4782 8 років тому +1

      +John King - I would surmise that he is from the mid-west or plains states of the U.S. What Sets Tom apart , is that hear in America , he does not really have an regional accent at all , most News Braodcasters are trained to loose any geographical or regional dialect. After hearing so many diverse dialects in America , he sounds different and almost appears to be a dialect onto itself.

    • @johnking5174
      @johnking5174 8 років тому +1

      Ur neighbor is Palin?

    • @ApartmentKing66
      @ApartmentKing66 5 років тому

      One thing I've always noticed about Brokaw is his slight speech impediment. Barbara Walters has one, too. Brokaw has a problem pronouncing his "Ls". This became evident to me in 1977 or 78 when on "Today," he would pronounce it "Silver Ju-buh-wee" instead of "Jubilee" when referring to Queen Elizabeth's 25th Anniversary on the Throne.
      Gilda Radner practically made a career out of Barbara Walters' speech impediment with the whole "Baba Wawa" thing on SNL. Walters' couldn't pronounce her "Rs" very well, but that didn't seem to stop network execs from promoting her to an on-air role on, ironically enough, "Today" back in the 60s.

  • @ZondaF
    @ZondaF 12 років тому +1

    "This is Tom Brokaw signing off. Back to you, fuckers!"

  • @g187
    @g187 13 років тому +2

    @katanaburner i grew up watching that man do what he does best

  • @43nostromo
    @43nostromo 10 років тому +1

    I hear he supports "Locks of Love" and that his favorite tea is "Lemon Lift".

  • @hssenior
    @hssenior 9 років тому +19

    At least Tom is more up front then Brian Williams

    • @hollypietrzak5214
      @hollypietrzak5214 7 років тому

      Why do you think he's more up front then Brian Williams anyway?

    • @hssenior
      @hssenior 6 років тому +1

      holly pietrzak because tom didn't fabricate stories like Brian did that's why

    • @revinhatol
      @revinhatol 3 роки тому

      @@hssenior At least, Brian was not as lame as Lester Holt.

    • @samsonwong1897
      @samsonwong1897 3 роки тому

      @@revinhatol - How is Lester Holt lame. To me he's better than Brian.

  • @eshelmen
    @eshelmen 11 років тому +1

    To all the haters, were watching him , not he is watching you. Regardless of his skills, he destroys your knowledge of what success is .

  • @MisterPolitical1
    @MisterPolitical1 11 місяців тому

    His farewell news coverage was better than Peter Jennings or Dan Rather's

  • @vincentroysamot7311
    @vincentroysamot7311 4 роки тому +1

    Sara & Alex here on Friday.

  • @PelczarTomasz
    @PelczarTomasz 10 років тому

    My name is similar, pattern even same good as famous Tom Jefferson ... Salve Capoeira, salve y axe ...

  • @jeremiahwoody8681
    @jeremiahwoody8681 8 років тому +1

    tom brokaw retired from nbc in 2003

  • @WillMGlynn
    @WillMGlynn 7 років тому +2

    Eric Shawn of FOX News reminds me of Tom Brokaw.

    • @tupac280001
      @tupac280001 7 місяців тому

      Fox is not news it's the commie bs channel

  • @Animehindu69
    @Animehindu69 15 років тому

    yes hes not gone yet.

  • @steben069
    @steben069 13 років тому

    haha i only came here to see if family guy did a good impression of this guy and they NAILED it lmao

  • @Happy_HIbiscus
    @Happy_HIbiscus 5 років тому +1

    dude, this is sad

  • @shawnmalki
    @shawnmalki 13 років тому +1

    @CommentClown NO! He can do a perfect Ed Helms impression!

  • @rebeccaduncan5970
    @rebeccaduncan5970 11 місяців тому +1

    back when Walter Cronkite and dan rather and tom and others was doing a job when them doing it too,

  • @crazyzabo
    @crazyzabo Рік тому

    The GI Generation, Tom.

  • @intheflesh316
    @intheflesh316 13 років тому +1

    yee spit it brokaw

  • @Joomington
    @Joomington 13 років тому

    @Shazaaam2 me too!

  • @Searchzone123
    @Searchzone123 12 років тому

    Rather sat the bar for hard hitting interviews, Brokaw has a better voice and wrote a popular book.

  • @robertb4432
    @robertb4432 Рік тому

    At least NBC has Savanah Guthrie

  • @Shazaaam2
    @Shazaaam2 13 років тому

    Colbert brought me here : P

  • @rbryant100
    @rbryant100 Рік тому

    Tom Brochaw

  • @FalenAnjel2
    @FalenAnjel2 12 років тому

    @Cormacthecostly The views, who else if he's working for NBC and on air.

  • @emilywood7397
    @emilywood7397 Рік тому

    Please fix it sir not your fault not having all the facts of the case and if you want to fix it your the only one left sir then I push you across the finish line sir thank you

  • @Lafayette320
    @Lafayette320 Рік тому

    Brokow was a professional news anchor having served as NBC's White House correspondent and Today's co-anchor. Who can forget him saying, "This is Today on NBC?"
    Although Lester Holt is a professional, NBC has declined greatly into massive Leftist Spin.

  • @OnlyTy91
    @OnlyTy91 13 років тому

    @blueshiftchess haha. Good call.

  • @BRIERFOX
    @BRIERFOX 11 років тому

    It would have been nice if Diane Sawyer had of shown up behind him with a bottle of vodka in this bitter sweet celebratory moment. Just a couple of drunks signing off!!
    I liked Tom doing the news...and his voice...albeit a drunkard's...was somehow very soothing to all of us. I know Tom wasn't a drunkard....I am being shallow...but nobody today would be hired with a voice like that!!

  • @stanleydavis7904
    @stanleydavis7904 Рік тому

    And uncle Walter

  • @rumble-roses
    @rumble-roses 3 роки тому

    His voice reminds me of Mitch McConnell LOLz.

    • @Megacooltommydee
      @Megacooltommydee 3 роки тому +1

      Not even close. This man is actually respectable.

  • @johnhaerle3957
    @johnhaerle3957 5 місяців тому

    Is his "me so horny" song still out there?

  • @n.a.devonshire264
    @n.a.devonshire264 9 років тому +3

    Giarahld Fahood heaten by wholves...