There should be a law put in place to keep the natural history museum that is Congress out of military affairs. If they want to say something against that, the one proposing the bill can point to the BS of the 1850s, Vietnam, and the modern fiasco. If it wasn't for them, Vietnam and the rest of former Indochina would be allies of the US and part of OTAN.
As much as it would help the military, you don't want that. You think you do, but you don't. A military without government restriction during wartime is just asking for a military takeover and/or perpetual war, Caesar abused the Roman system which did exactly that and essentially made himself king. You do not want an unchained military, even if congress/presidents are dumb.
on that we can agree. the politicians really, really need to stay out of matters of military and war unless they absolutely know what the hell they're doing.
If I remember correctly Robin Olds is the only fighter pilot to shoot down an enemy plane while gliding because when he saw I think a squadron of BF-109s and when he dropped his drop tanks he forgot to switch to the internal fuel tank
Unrelated to Operation Bolo but within the theme of politicians handcuffing the military in Vietnam: in 1969 the battleship New Jersey finished a deployment to Vietnam where she provided gunfire support to US troops in South Vietnam. Her crew was preparing for a second deployment when the orders came for the ship to be retired to the mothball fleet. The reason came out years later that at the peace talks in Paris the North Vietnamese demanded we remove the ship, as a condition of the negotiations. Probably because they had nothing to counter her 16” guns. They could shoot down our aircraft but not one ton bullets. Naturally our government agreed to the demand and New Jersey was decommissioned.
Robin Olds was legitimately awesome in every conceivable way. If memory serves, the graphics he uses to explain what a vector roll is come from a 2006 History Channel series called Dogfights(binged it for awhile when I was in college in the mid to late 2010s.) Great series if this stuff interests you, back from when HC actually did history.
Former Air Force here, Col.Olds was such a badass that not only do we have his flight suit/helmet and survival gear in our national museum but also his moustache. It's locked away because that thing is lethal
If you think you would have won either just by war criming harder you have all the intelligence of a jar of mayonnaise. Politicians aren't helping the fact that none of the enlisted wanted to be there either. Also the US army was militarily defeated in Afghanistan, that's not the opinion of random twitter leftists either, that's the opinion of the US Army. I don't know how many wars its gonna take for people to realize successful counter-insurgency is about as feasible as perpetual motion machines.
Yes, indeed. Politicians send them in and then decide they aren't interested in winning because of the optics on the home front. The American population gets board and long drawn-out wars like Vietnam and Afghanistan, where politicians are basically telling the soldiers they can't go in and fight to win.
@ThatOneGuy-mn6dv I never realized Vietnam lasted as long as it did and that it lasted long enough for Biden to be elected. It does make the parallels between America's biggest military embarrassments make more sense.
@@rebel11201991 Is this the reason why the US army was confined to small outposts dotted across each country and fighting mostly inside what was nominally 'controlled' territory? Gonna be honest, if your still getting shot at at every single outpost you own, you're not really in control of that area. What tactic that the US army was prohibited from employing do you think would have won the US the war in Vietnam?
Later the USAF did add a gun to the F-4, like the one my father flew, but the Navy decided to develop their fighter weapons training school: AKA Topgun.
They have a episode of dogfights on this the computer animated footage was from that episode I highly recommend you watch that it's really good and it's got commentary from the guys from there
Sad part is… there are still a lot of people out there who are willing to put up with politician’s bs… mostly foreigners who who have absolutely no clue how things work here in this beautiful country we call America.
If there's one thing I've learned while watching videos like this it's to never underestimate the stupidity of a politician. They're only in it for themselves, to hell with the people "below" them.
Here's a Vietnam story I know. You will never hear of this on any history channel - TV or online - mostly because it was nothing even remotely newsworthy. It came from a close friend of my father; my father came of military age right after Vietnam ended, but his friend was old enough to be sent on a couple of tours, which he was. This story is about how the friend flew Hueys for the US Army during his whole time in Vietnam, but he flew only one combat mission. For this mission, he was part of the troop carriers ferrying infantry into the battle zone. He was one of the first Hueys in, and they came under aa they were unloading. His passengers got out and scrambled to their positions, and as he was trying to lift off, his Huey got hit and shot down. Fortunately for him and his copilot, they had only just gotten off the ground, so the fall was not much, and neither of them were hurt. They bailed out, sprinted to one of the later Hueys, got onboard, and they made it out and back to the FOB. Back at the FOB, their air boss caught them hopping out of the Huey that brought them back. He asked why they were not in their own Huey, and they told him that they got shot down as they were lifting off. Luckily for them, the air boss was hearing the radio calls of enemy fire, so he took their word and sent them to another Huey, which was then loaded with more infantry, and they took it out with the second wave. Second wave, they dropped in, and the troops scrambled out, but before they could lift off, the Huey took heavy fire and got wrecked and grounded. Despite there being no crash with this one, the copilot took some shrapnel and was wounded. The man, still unhurt, pulled the copilot out and carried him to another Huey (he does not remember whether or not it was the same one that got them out the first time), and they made it back to the FOB again. At the FOB again, he air boss caught them hopping out of a different Huey again, and he was now getting made that this man was "costing the Army Hueys." The air boss directed all of his anger at the man and spared the copilot, probably because of the copilot's wounds, which turned out to be severe to ground him but fortunately not enough to be lethal or crippling. Regardless, the air boss gave him a stern warning, sent him to another Huey (with a new copilot, obviously), and they went out with a third wave of infantry. Once again, at the landing zone, they dropped off their troops and started lifting off. This time, it looked like the man would get out of there - and this lasted right up until he got shot down for the third time. This time, it was the highest he had gotten his Huey to and by a large margin, so it ended up being quite the fall and crash. He does not remember all that happened; he remembers getting to that altitude, feeling something explode near the main rotor, weightlessness from the helicopter falling, and him being carried to another Huey by the copilot, who somehow was not as badly wounded as he was. They got back to the FOB yet again, and the air boss was now pissed at him. As he was being loaded onto a stretcher to be taken to a med tent, the air boss chewed him out for "losing so many damn Hueys," and the air boss kept it up until he was in the tent. And that was the first and last combat mission the man flew. Somehow - he has no idea how or why, just that it was not because of any input from him, which was none - he kept flying Hueys for the rest of Vietnam, but he flew predominantly transport missions from then on - a.k.a. anything that kept away from what could shoot him down. He would also be one of the last Hueys to evacuate out of Saigon, but he was not in any of the photos of that moment that included any Hueys.
@old man reacts. Great reaction. But you have to do the US Navy's unluckiest Ship with an untochable Crew by Fat Electrician. It a great one would love to see your reaction. Thank You.
The reason it was like this was because this was technically supposed to be a police action, not a war. A “special military operation” if you will. 9:42 debatable IMPO
If its not a war its easier to claim you didn't declare war over not being attacked in the Gulf Of Tonkin. LBJ was a fucking demon lmao. I think I'd argue that its one of the dumbest wars because it was impossible to achieve those goals. People will simultaneously believe that civilian casualties are a fact of war, and then ignore that fact when they consider that the families of those civilians tend to become radicalized against you. The US refused to learn this in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and they're currently failing to apply those lessons in Yemen, where they're both not damaging any significant capability, and agitating the Yemeni populace.
i think even a novice war historian has heard of Robin Olds and this story, sorry im not buying that you are actually a war historian on any level, i think you watch a video, retain certain small facts and then just regurgitate it a actual knowledge.... and you fake raging about things is very transparent too...
the vietnam, war was a thing that we really shouldnt have been involved in! i really cant blame all of those guys who dodged that draft either. they were not cowards either.
There should be a law put in place to keep the natural history museum that is Congress out of military affairs. If they want to say something against that, the one proposing the bill can point to the BS of the 1850s, Vietnam, and the modern fiasco. If it wasn't for them, Vietnam and the rest of former Indochina would be allies of the US and part of OTAN.
As much as it would help the military, you don't want that. You think you do, but you don't.
A military without government restriction during wartime is just asking for a military takeover and/or perpetual war, Caesar abused the Roman system which did exactly that and essentially made himself king. You do not want an unchained military, even if congress/presidents are dumb.
on that we can agree. the politicians really, really need to stay out of matters of military and war unless they absolutely know what the hell they're doing.
If I remember correctly Robin Olds is the only fighter pilot to shoot down an enemy plane while gliding because when he saw I think a squadron of BF-109s and when he dropped his drop tanks he forgot to switch to the internal fuel tank
I remember that from Dogfights
Unrelated to Operation Bolo but within the theme of politicians handcuffing the military in Vietnam: in 1969 the battleship New Jersey finished a deployment to Vietnam where she provided gunfire support to US troops in South Vietnam. Her crew was preparing for a second deployment when the orders came for the ship to be retired to the mothball fleet. The reason came out years later that at the peace talks in Paris the North Vietnamese demanded we remove the ship, as a condition of the negotiations. Probably because they had nothing to counter her 16” guns. They could shoot down our aircraft but not one ton bullets.
Naturally our government agreed to the demand and New Jersey was decommissioned.
Robin Olds was legitimately awesome in every conceivable way. If memory serves, the graphics he uses to explain what a vector roll is come from a 2006 History Channel series called Dogfights(binged it for awhile when I was in college in the mid to late 2010s.) Great series if this stuff interests you, back from when HC actually did history.
I remember watching that and a profile on Robin olds on military channel
It is from Dogfights. Also, Ward Caroll has a great documentary he did on his channel (the channel is also called Ward Carroll)
yep, and its not the first time he's used footage from that show
Former Air Force here, Col.Olds was such a badass that not only do we have his flight suit/helmet and survival gear in our national museum but also his moustache. It's locked away because that thing is lethal
His... mustache...
@@dj11o9er Oh yeah, it had at least 5 confirmed kills by itself. Its a deadly weapon
Were they all women...?
Robin Olds the only fighter pilot to shoot down an enemy plane while his own was in the glide mode
When you literally decide to make the best out of a bad situation and end up becoming the goddamn MV freaking P!
Politicians were the reason why Vietnam was lost and the reason why we left Afghanistan in disaster.
Both involved Biden.
If you think you would have won either just by war criming harder you have all the intelligence of a jar of mayonnaise. Politicians aren't helping the fact that none of the enlisted wanted to be there either.
Also the US army was militarily defeated in Afghanistan, that's not the opinion of random twitter leftists either, that's the opinion of the US Army.
I don't know how many wars its gonna take for people to realize successful counter-insurgency is about as feasible as perpetual motion machines.
Yes, indeed. Politicians send them in and then decide they aren't interested in winning because of the optics on the home front. The American population gets board and long drawn-out wars like Vietnam and Afghanistan, where politicians are basically telling the soldiers they can't go in and fight to win.
@ThatOneGuy-mn6dv I never realized Vietnam lasted as long as it did and that it lasted long enough for Biden to be elected. It does make the parallels between America's biggest military embarrassments make more sense.
@@rebel11201991 Is this the reason why the US army was confined to small outposts dotted across each country and fighting mostly inside what was nominally 'controlled' territory? Gonna be honest, if your still getting shot at at every single outpost you own, you're not really in control of that area. What tactic that the US army was prohibited from employing do you think would have won the US the war in Vietnam?
Later the USAF did add a gun to the F-4, like the one my father flew, but the Navy decided to develop their fighter weapons training school: AKA Topgun.
"Could probably fuck up boiling water" I would say they did mess that up as they try to take gas stoves away.
They have a episode of dogfights on this the computer animated footage was from that episode I highly recommend you watch that it's really good and it's got commentary from the guys from there
Sad part is… there are still a lot of people out there who are willing to put up with politician’s bs… mostly foreigners who who have absolutely no clue how things work here in this beautiful country we call America.
If there's one thing I've learned while watching videos like this it's to never underestimate the stupidity of a politician. They're only in it for themselves, to hell with the people "below" them.
The History Channel as an episode of "Dogfights" about this operation. Some of the clips in this video are from that video.
This is one of my favorite fighter pilot stories. That and Frederick "Boots" Blesse.
You forgot the government study on why, if water is hydrogen and oxygen, it doesn’t burn.
They made a whole episode based on this situation in the show dogfights on history channel. Great show that disects aerial combat with 3d modeling
Here's a Vietnam story I know. You will never hear of this on any history channel - TV or online - mostly because it was nothing even remotely newsworthy. It came from a close friend of my father; my father came of military age right after Vietnam ended, but his friend was old enough to be sent on a couple of tours, which he was. This story is about how the friend flew Hueys for the US Army during his whole time in Vietnam, but he flew only one combat mission.
For this mission, he was part of the troop carriers ferrying infantry into the battle zone. He was one of the first Hueys in, and they came under aa they were unloading. His passengers got out and scrambled to their positions, and as he was trying to lift off, his Huey got hit and shot down. Fortunately for him and his copilot, they had only just gotten off the ground, so the fall was not much, and neither of them were hurt. They bailed out, sprinted to one of the later Hueys, got onboard, and they made it out and back to the FOB.
Back at the FOB, their air boss caught them hopping out of the Huey that brought them back. He asked why they were not in their own Huey, and they told him that they got shot down as they were lifting off. Luckily for them, the air boss was hearing the radio calls of enemy fire, so he took their word and sent them to another Huey, which was then loaded with more infantry, and they took it out with the second wave.
Second wave, they dropped in, and the troops scrambled out, but before they could lift off, the Huey took heavy fire and got wrecked and grounded. Despite there being no crash with this one, the copilot took some shrapnel and was wounded. The man, still unhurt, pulled the copilot out and carried him to another Huey (he does not remember whether or not it was the same one that got them out the first time), and they made it back to the FOB again.
At the FOB again, he air boss caught them hopping out of a different Huey again, and he was now getting made that this man was "costing the Army Hueys." The air boss directed all of his anger at the man and spared the copilot, probably because of the copilot's wounds, which turned out to be severe to ground him but fortunately not enough to be lethal or crippling. Regardless, the air boss gave him a stern warning, sent him to another Huey (with a new copilot, obviously), and they went out with a third wave of infantry.
Once again, at the landing zone, they dropped off their troops and started lifting off. This time, it looked like the man would get out of there - and this lasted right up until he got shot down for the third time. This time, it was the highest he had gotten his Huey to and by a large margin, so it ended up being quite the fall and crash. He does not remember all that happened; he remembers getting to that altitude, feeling something explode near the main rotor, weightlessness from the helicopter falling, and him being carried to another Huey by the copilot, who somehow was not as badly wounded as he was.
They got back to the FOB yet again, and the air boss was now pissed at him. As he was being loaded onto a stretcher to be taken to a med tent, the air boss chewed him out for "losing so many damn Hueys," and the air boss kept it up until he was in the tent.
And that was the first and last combat mission the man flew. Somehow - he has no idea how or why, just that it was not because of any input from him, which was none - he kept flying Hueys for the rest of Vietnam, but he flew predominantly transport missions from then on - a.k.a. anything that kept away from what could shoot him down. He would also be one of the last Hueys to evacuate out of Saigon, but he was not in any of the photos of that moment that included any Hueys.
@old man reacts. Great reaction. But you have to do the US Navy's unluckiest Ship with an untochable Crew by Fat Electrician. It a great one would love to see your reaction. Thank You.
@old man reacts
I’d be willing to bet money that the part with the NSA was at least partially approved out of spite.
You and TFE kick ass as always!
Your hatred of politicians is amusing as all hell
And completely valid
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The reason it was like this was because this was technically supposed to be a police action, not a war. A “special military operation” if you will.
9:42 debatable IMPO
If its not a war its easier to claim you didn't declare war over not being attacked in the Gulf Of Tonkin. LBJ was a fucking demon lmao. I think I'd argue that its one of the dumbest wars because it was impossible to achieve those goals. People will simultaneously believe that civilian casualties are a fact of war, and then ignore that fact when they consider that the families of those civilians tend to become radicalized against you. The US refused to learn this in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and they're currently failing to apply those lessons in Yemen, where they're both not damaging any significant capability, and agitating the Yemeni populace.
Man she really had a lot to say about that huh hahahaha
What 29 click missile was used un Vietnam?😂
Never apologize for a predator pet, a malfunctioning vote, sure…
the history channel dogfights goes into the tactics of this op look it up its a good watch
10 minute club
i think even a novice war historian has heard of Robin Olds and this story, sorry im not buying that you are actually a war historian on any level, i think you watch a video, retain certain small facts and then just regurgitate it a actual knowledge.... and you fake raging about things is very transparent too...
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the vietnam, war was a thing that we really shouldnt have been involved in! i really cant blame all of those guys who dodged that draft either. they were not cowards either.