Sorry to hear you've been suffering Mr WC21! Despite that obstacle, an impressive feat of a video with your usual academic rigour and tenacity to not just take things at face value. Very nice use of maps here. Those old OS maps are a joy to behold aren't they? The weather seems to have lurched from one extreme to the other a bit hasn't it? We seemed to have skipped the sunny but pleasantly cool weather I was looking forward to in spring and gone straight from perpetual grey misery to a far worse scenario of Too Hot For Tweed!
Thank you Tweedy - I do feel better now, but it was horrible being laid up for a whole week like that. It made me stare my age in the face. So to speak! Yes, I love the old maps so much more than the new. Like just about everything else, really! You are not wrong about the weather. I had a tweed jacket - for security - but I had to leave it in the car, it was so hot - even up there on the Pennines. Thank goodness last year's tweed shorts still fit!
Hi Mr Tweedy ...I thoroughly enjoyed watching you and the amazing Hedley in your last vid ... I learned that Gevrey Chambertin is the must have with macaroni cheese ...Next I'm taking singing lessons from Darren...learning a bit of culture I am ...Seriously however... all of you guys are amazing.
I so enjoy that you question the ‘established’ and ‘published’ theories about such places. In the end all ‘theories’ are pure guesswork, until time travel becomes a reality. A very interesting episode indeed. Will we see you on the Wheeldale Roman Road, North York Moors in a future episode? 🤞
Thanks Andrew and absolutely right - we're all into guesswork really, whether amateur or expert! I'm working on time travel, incidentally, because people keep likening me to Dr. Who. The classic one - not the Disney one. Yes, Wheeldale is absolutely on the list for this new Roman road focused playlist. Is that your patch - got any juicy insights?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Hi Darren. No my patch is Berkshire where Silchester reigns supreme in the Roman World. The North York Moors holds a special place in my heart for various reasons and Wheeldale Roman Road has fascinated me. Is it really a Roman Road, or a Victorian invention???? As for Dr Who ……. Ummmm 😂
@@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian I think it's very much in doubt as to being Roman nowadays, and yes, the Victorians may have got a bit carried away once again. Some still say it is, though. Others think it might be a prehistoric structure. Definitely worth a look!
I really love the shorts! What a thought provoking video… it almost feels you are suggesting amateurs can contribute to scientific knowledge. That is quite heretical!
Great video and my first time watching your channel, I've hiked thousands of miles over northern England and every weekend for years. I love that area and it's history. I've seen and pondered over many over these old roads and this one reminds me of similar ones constructed during and for quarrying and reservoir construction. The abundance of stone and manpower available means you see similar alot near those workings.
Thanks @topgrafter2007 - we are so fortunate to have access to this wonderful part of the country, and hopefully in my own small way, I'm giving the antiquities of northern England an airing! In terms of this paved "Roman road" it absolutely isn't Roman - I'm certain of that. 18th Century, almost certainly!
Ah, the drugs, the bad back. I hope you are much recovered now Darren. Codeine 30mg x 2 (if that is what you were prescribed) used to knock me off my feet. Irregardless, another great video. My money is on the Amateur Antiquarian rather than the 'professionals'. Thanks for sharing.
@WC21UKProductionsLtd they are 10 or 15mg. (10/500 the 500 bit is the Paracetamol) If 10mg times that affect by 6 and that's what I take 4 times a day. Riddled with arthritis. But when I first took them, I'd be out for hours. I don't want stronger, so I just use it to take the edge off the pain. I bet it was an interesting ethnographic study when they first developed them. 😂
It may not be Roman but it could have started life as a prehistoric track. The last one you mentioned seems more logical for a Roman road. Super views from up there
Thanks Jennifer - yes indeed it could. In reality the moor is crossed by lots of ancient routes. I just don't think the causeway was ever "Romanised" - it felt like 18th Century work to me. Yes, the views were superb - haven't been out that way for years and had forgotten how unique the Pennines are in that area. They carry the scars of being so close to huge built up areas, but that somehow adds to their character!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd To quote Will Shakespeare/Christopher Marlowe "Hark! What kind of men are these who wear their balls in parentheses." Nice pair of white parentheses. 🤭
@WC21UKProductionsLtd Yes. But I think you're right, the Roman road is more likely to be the straight, more direct one. In unrelated news, "Dick Slack" sounds like an ailment that I am currently seeing my consultant about...
Yes, what a wishy washy position that is!! It’s not the Roman route - totally convinced now I’ve seen it! It’s a wonderful piece of 18th Century engineering.
Hi Hugh, yes I read that was another possibility. I'm not sure about the French origin of the name - it's probably a corrupted English word. Someone else has commented that it might be come from old English for "centre/middle". Having said all that, I have encountered names before that do come from French.
An area i know well... a few years ago i was sitting with my back to the Aiggin stone, nodding off after my walk along Blackstone edge...i opened my eyes to see a giant Teddy bear walking up the so called Roman road towards me...i closed my eyes and went back to sleep...to this day i do not know if i was dreaming....It's a great area...i also remember stumbling on some rock art on a circle near Dog hill...i was awake then...i am sure i was...possibly
I love that you saw a giant Teddy bear and I love that you just went back to sleep! I’ll be looking up Dog Hill to see if there’s anything on that rock art. But that’s the thing about these sort of places - you might be the only person who’s ever identified it!
Thank you kindly. Glad you enjoyed it. I was a bit concerned I wouldn't be able to make it work - some of the stuff I recorded on location was stuttering and full of mistakes! Thank goodness for voiceover and a recovery a few days later!
UA-cam ate my reply it seems ...I far prefer your theory, Mr WC21, that if the Romans could go in a straight line, they would go in a straight line. That old professor likely found himself an interesting, but almost certainly a more modern packhorse road.
Yes, I'm convinced the Blackstone Edge road is 18th Century. It was screaming that at me in fact! Thanks for watching and sorry about UA-cam eating your comment - it happens to me all the time.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd When you're in the area again, (and you're feeling back in the pink regarding bad backs) I'd be fascinated to see your horse gin discovery ...It makes perfect sense given the Blackstone road looks, and is designed exactly how 18th century road builders would have built a road on a steep gradient.
@@philcollinson328 I have read elsewhere that they think there's a base to one up there. Whether I found it, I'm not sure. Funny that no one has found any written reference to it. But it might also explain why the first turnpike was so short-lived - a bit too much hassle!
Much to doubt in the official version, well done for taking it on. May I plant another seed of doubt ? Around 3,000 BC people with mathematical and astronomical skills, and a way of moving stones weighing many tons over rough soft ground, built Stonehenge. (Some call them hunter-gatherers). When the Romans arrived 3 centuries later they found simple savages in wooden huts. So was no progress made in all that time, or did a civilisation we know nothing about rise and fall ?
Thank you very much. You do raise a great question there. I’ve done a few videos on the Langdale Axe Factory in the Lake District. The scale of the operation there, along with the nationwide distribution, is a bit staggering. 5,000 to 6,000 ago. I think it is fair to say that by the time you get to Iron Age Britain, some ambition has receded. I’ve attributed that to the tribal system that has established itself by then. Some say that this tribal system made things easy for the Romans in 43 AD - with the locals squabbling amongst themselves, as opposed to uniting in order to see off the invaders. Interesting stuff, isn’t it?
Hi Darren, That looked a hot day out. Hope your back was ok after all that exertion. Do enjoy seeing the evolution on maps and the route that you indicated did look the more obvious one, why would you want to go up and down that steep hillside? Those channels were a real mystery I have seen more modern versions high up in the mountains in the village of Pampaneira where a little stream makes its way down the village in the centre of the street feeding a communal wash house along the way. The other thought I had was a water pickup trough, I'll grant you gravity may have played havoc with getting the water to stay in one place 😅😅. Whatever the reason someone went to an awful lot of trouble to build them. Perhaps we will never know. A great video despite your dementia and worth being a full blown gazette entry!! As can be seen by the many varied comments so far ...... bring me sunshine in your smile🎵🎵🎵 ..... looking forward to the next brand new bright tomorrow soon. Now that would be a way to end one of your videos!! All the best!!
Thanks David - and to everyone else in this thread - I’m picking up lots of ideas for future videos here! Stay tuned. One thing I failed to mention in my confused state, is that the channel is in the middle of the paved road - one half is now covered in grass. To me it was screaming out 18th Century! Right - off to learn the words to that song!
Thanks Martin! I seem to be better now, thank you. You're bang on the money - it doesn't even feel Roman. I've done enough Roman roads now to get the feeling of them and these stone sets scream 18th Century at me!
Goodness, what I would have given to meet him! His work is incredible, but of course, some of his findings have since been found to have been wrong. He was working without LiDAR and the technology we have today. He wrote Roman Roads in Britain before Maxim presented his evidence against it being Roman and, at the time of writing, the Professor’s opinion was prevailing - and only 30 years old. If you would be interested in discussing Margary, please drop me an email - I would love to find out more about him. Totally understand if you don’t want to, though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I seem to recall that he lived in a grand house in Felbridge, near East Grinstead. I lived at Holtye at the time, not far from the exposed section of the :London - Lewes road, which was the subject of of one of his significent finds.
@@sawyerhja I've never found out much about him, but I was aware he lived near East Grinstead. I wonder what he'd think about the fact we're all still using his research, over 70 years later?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd He was a genius. Imagine trying to trace one of his roads in, say, a wood. He refers to a 'prominent agger' and you would think 'what agger. Where?' I just don't know how he did it.
@@sawyerhja I am staggered by his descriptions and the fieldwork that went into it. Codrington before him didn't even really bother with northern England.
Thank you, I think you are right about the Roman road. I came to this directly after watching Tweedy and Hedley on the Ridgeway. The similarities are striking with multiple potential routes being used over the years and sections where no one is sure of what is what or when. Thanks again.
Thanks Chris. Yes, the amount of ancient routes up on the Pennines there is amazing really. I'm convinced that Maxim was right and the causeway is not the Roman route. Amazing that he discovered that nearly 60 years ago and yet it's still being described as Roman to this day. I need to pop over to Tweedy Outdoors and check that new video out!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Afternoon matey, I think there are some over on the North Yorks Moors near Danby(?), it's a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away! Just watched the church steeple on a hillside vid, you'd have to be a lot closer to the church to get it to match up, and it's skew, like Chesterfield spire. It looks like a sailing boat from a distance, or is it a ski slope, cheese rolling, game related thing. Raining here near Binchester, lovely hypocaust, going for an afternoon kip(ahem), toodle-oo, look forward to your next vid!
@@billykershaw2781 yes, I think you’re talking about the Weardale Roman road. That’s on the list. Another questionable “Roman” road. That spire would line up from ground level in the garden of the Glebe. Confident about that now. Might do a follow up if they invite us in!
@@billykershaw2781 High Street is complex. I am going to do it, but to do justice to the complex arguments for and against it being Roman is probably 5 days’ worth of filming. Stay tuned!
Why this fetish about "Roman Roads" in general? Did nobody walk anywhere before the Romans invaded? How did those chariots get around ? The likelihood is that the roads are "Roman Paved Roads" and that they improved existing communication routes rather than forging new pathways.
Hi, I can’t speak for others, but my interest in them is driven by a number of things. Firstly, the rapid manner in which the road network was established. Yes, there were route ways before, but not on that coordinated scale. Secondly, the story of what happened to them after 370 years of Roman rule - they remained the only example of a planned nationwide road network until the 18th Century. Thirdly, they remain identifiable in our landscape - something to find. They did follow and improve Iron Age routes, as well as creating brand new connections. Thank you for watching and engaging.
They found a road in west Wales and said it was Roman but the problem was the romans never got to this part of Wales and said the Welsh didn't build roads what a load a crap experts looked at it and it was constructed 300 years before romans arrived this is the way historians behave the Welsh could build Stonehenge but couldn't build a road 😊
Thank you. I read about that some time ago. There is a line of thinking with some "experts" that nobody could do anything here until the Romans arrived!
The last twenty years has seen the Web bring more and more information come to the attention of the masses. Wales is a great example of why people need to keep looking recording and questioning the record. West Wales 2024 I have offered evidence of eight new Forts three fortlets marching camps along with many many kms of new road milestones and field systems. The problem is to officially investigate all this and much much more across all of Wales would take decades and is why channels such as this need to put it out there to show we are aware we do our homework and to challenge the official line pre 1990s. Thankfully today's archaeologists like Miles Russell Nial Sharples with Maiden Castle in Dorset highlighting funding led antiquarian conclusions is not the way forward.
Sorry to hear you've been suffering Mr WC21! Despite that obstacle, an impressive feat of a video with your usual academic rigour and tenacity to not just take things at face value. Very nice use of maps here. Those old OS maps are a joy to behold aren't they?
The weather seems to have lurched from one extreme to the other a bit hasn't it? We seemed to have skipped the sunny but pleasantly cool weather I was looking forward to in spring and gone straight from perpetual grey misery to a far worse scenario of Too Hot For Tweed!
Thank you Tweedy - I do feel better now, but it was horrible being laid up for a whole week like that. It made me stare my age in the face. So to speak!
Yes, I love the old maps so much more than the new. Like just about everything else, really!
You are not wrong about the weather. I had a tweed jacket - for security - but I had to leave it in the car, it was so hot - even up there on the Pennines. Thank goodness last year's tweed shorts still fit!
Hi Mr Tweedy ...I thoroughly enjoyed watching you and the amazing Hedley in your last vid ... I learned that Gevrey Chambertin is the must have with macaroni cheese ...Next I'm taking singing lessons from Darren...learning a bit of culture I am ...Seriously however... all of you guys are amazing.
Thanks Phil. I’m now learning the words to “Bring Me Sunshine”…
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd So your ramsom is...how many coffees not to? lol
@@philcollinson328 Thanks Phil! "UA-cam Antiquarians: The Musical" is still very much a work in progress...
I so enjoy that you question the ‘established’ and ‘published’ theories about such places. In the end all ‘theories’ are pure guesswork, until time travel becomes a reality. A very interesting episode indeed.
Will we see you on the Wheeldale Roman Road, North York Moors in a future episode? 🤞
Thanks Andrew and absolutely right - we're all into guesswork really, whether amateur or expert! I'm working on time travel, incidentally, because people keep likening me to Dr. Who. The classic one - not the Disney one.
Yes, Wheeldale is absolutely on the list for this new Roman road focused playlist. Is that your patch - got any juicy insights?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Hi Darren. No my patch is Berkshire where Silchester reigns supreme in the Roman World. The North York Moors holds a special place in my heart for various reasons and Wheeldale Roman Road has fascinated me. Is it really a Roman Road, or a Victorian invention????
As for Dr Who ……. Ummmm 😂
@@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian I think it's very much in doubt as to being Roman nowadays, and yes, the Victorians may have got a bit carried away once again. Some still say it is, though. Others think it might be a prehistoric structure. Definitely worth a look!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I look forward to viewing your forthcoming visit, whenever that might be. Keep up the great work. 👏👏👍😀
I really love the shorts! What a thought provoking video… it almost feels you are suggesting amateurs can contribute to scientific knowledge. That is quite heretical!
Thank you! Yes, how dare I suggest that - what was I thinking of?!
Great video and my first time watching your channel, I've hiked thousands of miles over northern England and every weekend for years. I love that area and it's history. I've seen and pondered over many over these old roads and this one reminds me of similar ones constructed during and for quarrying and reservoir construction. The abundance of stone and manpower available means you see similar alot near those workings.
Thanks @topgrafter2007 - we are so fortunate to have access to this wonderful part of the country, and hopefully in my own small way, I'm giving the antiquities of northern England an airing!
In terms of this paved "Roman road" it absolutely isn't Roman - I'm certain of that. 18th Century, almost certainly!
Once saw a T shirt that said, the problem with archaeology is, you never know when to stop laughing!
😂
Ah, the drugs, the bad back. I hope you are much recovered now Darren. Codeine 30mg x 2 (if that is what you were prescribed) used to knock me off my feet. Irregardless, another great video. My money is on the Amateur Antiquarian rather than the 'professionals'. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Chris! I was on the Co-codamol you can get from the chemist. Pretty good stuff!
@WC21UKProductionsLtd they are 10 or 15mg. (10/500 the 500 bit is the Paracetamol) If 10mg times that affect by 6 and that's what I take 4 times a day. Riddled with arthritis. But when I first took them, I'd be out for hours. I don't want stronger, so I just use it to take the edge off the pain. I bet it was an interesting ethnographic study when they first developed them. 😂
Weirdly enlightening so up-ticked!
Thank you very much. I've taken "weirdly" as a compliment!
It may not be Roman but it could have started life as a prehistoric track. The last one you mentioned seems more logical for a Roman road. Super views from up there
Thanks Jennifer - yes indeed it could. In reality the moor is crossed by lots of ancient routes. I just don't think the causeway was ever "Romanised" - it felt like 18th Century work to me. Yes, the views were superb - haven't been out that way for years and had forgotten how unique the Pennines are in that area. They carry the scars of being so close to huge built up areas, but that somehow adds to their character!
England’s mountains green amongst those dark satanic mills
Thanks
Cheers Andrew.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd To quote Will Shakespeare/Christopher Marlowe "Hark! What kind of men are these who wear their balls in parentheses." Nice pair of white parentheses. 🤭
@@andrewbarnett5542 thanks - nobody has ever said that to me before!
Ooh watching now! 《Averts eyes during short wearing sections》
Oh Lord - are they that bad!
@WC21UKProductionsLtd Yes. But I think you're right, the Roman road is more likely to be the straight, more direct one. In unrelated news, "Dick Slack" sounds like an ailment that I am currently seeing my consultant about...
I understand there might be some tablets for that. I get unsolicited emails.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd forward them on, thanks chap.
@@hedleythorneHope your ‘Dick Slack’ improves soon. Good luck 🥴😂
07:40 - 100% this! Thats the phrase that I have seen used and its completely illogical. Carry on!
Yes, what a wishy washy position that is!! It’s not the Roman route - totally convinced now I’ve seen it! It’s a wonderful piece of 18th Century engineering.
The French for "needle" is "aiguille". Could that have anything to do with what the stone's called ?
Hi Hugh, yes I read that was another possibility. I'm not sure about the French origin of the name - it's probably a corrupted English word. Someone else has commented that it might be come from old English for "centre/middle". Having said all that, I have encountered names before that do come from French.
excellent. next up: Standing Stone isn't standing... (o:
Thanks Barry and also for that suggestion! Sounds like it could have legs!
An area i know well... a few years ago i was sitting with my back to the Aiggin stone, nodding off after my walk along Blackstone edge...i opened my eyes to see a giant Teddy bear walking up the so called Roman road towards me...i closed my eyes and went back to sleep...to this day i do not know if i was dreaming....It's a great area...i also remember stumbling on some rock art on a circle near Dog hill...i was awake then...i am sure i was...possibly
I love that you saw a giant Teddy bear and I love that you just went back to sleep!
I’ll be looking up Dog Hill to see if there’s anything on that rock art. But that’s the thing about these sort of places - you might be the only person who’s ever identified it!
When you're wearing your shorts has anyone ever drawn a parallel between you and the late Ernie Wise?
Ha, no they haven't. Until now! I seem to be like so many other people!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I couldn't resist Eric's 'short fat hairy legs' dig.
No offence.
Keep it up!
@@MeatisFreedom that’s not a dig - it’s the truth!
One appendix, many appendices. Like index/indices, narthex/narthices, or kleenex/kleenices, I'm sure.
Thank you, Stephen - I needed that clearing up!
An expert from Cambridge recently declared it to be a Wakandan road (allegedly)!
I had no idea what that was! Good old Google!
Thanks! As usual, great location and interesting narrative. Hope for full recovery for your back 🎉
Thank you kindly. Glad you enjoyed it. I was a bit concerned I wouldn't be able to make it work - some of the stuff I recorded on location was stuttering and full of mistakes! Thank goodness for voiceover and a recovery a few days later!
It's easy to tell if it's roman! Are there any potholes? If so, definitely not roman!🤣
Thanks - I forgot that robust test! What would we do without the Facebook experts?!
Interesting skies ..... great vid ! 👍🏻
Thanks David! Yes, it was a great day and nice to see some of that blue in the sky!
More demented than normal?! Good job done.
Cheers. For “good job done”!
Very interesting stuff.
Thank you - glad you enjoyed it!
Could we have the demented version please?
I knew someone would ask that! It was unintelligible! Of course, some might say this version was. Thanks for watching!
Keep up the good work. Could I suggest you do something on the Woodchester mosaic which one day I would love to see?
@@lamiaitaly2549 absolutely - I’ve just added that to my spreadsheet. Thank you for the suggestion!
UA-cam ate my reply it seems ...I far prefer your theory, Mr WC21, that if the Romans could go in a straight line, they would go in a straight line. That old professor likely found himself an interesting, but almost certainly a more modern packhorse road.
Yes, I'm convinced the Blackstone Edge road is 18th Century. It was screaming that at me in fact!
Thanks for watching and sorry about UA-cam eating your comment - it happens to me all the time.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd When you're in the area again, (and you're feeling back in the pink regarding bad backs) I'd be fascinated to see your horse gin discovery ...It makes perfect sense given the Blackstone road looks, and is designed exactly how 18th century road builders would have built a road on a steep gradient.
@@philcollinson328 I have read elsewhere that they think there's a base to one up there. Whether I found it, I'm not sure. Funny that no one has found any written reference to it. But it might also explain why the first turnpike was so short-lived - a bit too much hassle!
Much to doubt in the official version, well done for taking it on.
May I plant another seed of doubt ?
Around 3,000 BC people with mathematical and astronomical skills, and a way of moving stones weighing many tons over rough soft ground, built Stonehenge.
(Some call them hunter-gatherers).
When the Romans arrived 3 centuries later they found simple savages in wooden huts.
So was no progress made in all that time, or did a civilisation we know nothing about rise and fall ?
Thank you very much.
You do raise a great question there. I’ve done a few videos on the Langdale Axe Factory in the Lake District. The scale of the operation there, along with the nationwide distribution, is a bit staggering. 5,000 to 6,000 ago.
I think it is fair to say that by the time you get to Iron Age Britain, some ambition has receded. I’ve attributed that to the tribal system that has established itself by then. Some say that this tribal system made things easy for the Romans in 43 AD - with the locals squabbling amongst themselves, as opposed to uniting in order to see off the invaders.
Interesting stuff, isn’t it?
Hi Darren, That looked a hot day out. Hope your back was ok after all that exertion.
Do enjoy seeing the evolution on maps and the route that you indicated did look the more obvious one, why would you want to go up and down that steep hillside?
Those channels were a real mystery I have seen more modern versions high up in the mountains in the village of Pampaneira where a little stream makes its way down the village in the centre of the street feeding a communal wash house along the way. The other thought I had was a water pickup trough, I'll grant you gravity may have played havoc with getting the water to stay in one place 😅😅. Whatever the reason someone went to an awful lot of trouble to build them. Perhaps we will never know.
A great video despite your dementia and worth being a full blown gazette entry!! As can be seen by the many varied comments so far ...... bring me sunshine in your smile🎵🎵🎵 ..... looking forward to the next brand new bright tomorrow soon. Now that would be a way to end one of your videos!!
All the best!!
Thanks David - and to everyone else in this thread - I’m picking up lots of ideas for future videos here! Stay tuned.
One thing I failed to mention in my confused state, is that the channel is in the middle of the paved road - one half is now covered in grass. To me it was screaming out 18th Century!
Right - off to learn the words to that song!
Interesting fact about me- I am neither Famous nor Roman.
Snap! Although there’s still time for both of us on the former.
Missed the boat on the Rome deal.
Great work Darren, I always thought this looked dubious .... get well
Thanks Martin! I seem to be better now, thank you.
You're bang on the money - it doesn't even feel Roman. I've done enough Roman roads now to get the feeling of them and these stone sets scream 18th Century at me!
Wonderful. Eigian means 'centre'.
Thanks Hugh. That could make sense if “Aiggin” has evolved from that. Potentially a central crossing point of routes on that fell.
Having once met the imposing figure of Ivan D. Margary, I wonder how he was convinced that the road was indeed Roman?
Goodness, what I would have given to meet him!
His work is incredible, but of course, some of his findings have since been found to have been wrong. He was working without LiDAR and the technology we have today.
He wrote Roman Roads in Britain before Maxim presented his evidence against it being Roman and, at the time of writing, the Professor’s opinion was prevailing - and only 30 years old.
If you would be interested in discussing Margary, please drop me an email - I would love to find out more about him. Totally understand if you don’t want to, though.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I seem to recall that he lived in a grand house in Felbridge, near East Grinstead. I lived at Holtye at the time, not far from the exposed section of the :London - Lewes road, which was the subject of of one of his significent finds.
@@sawyerhja I've never found out much about him, but I was aware he lived near East Grinstead. I wonder what he'd think about the fact we're all still using his research, over 70 years later?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd He was a genius. Imagine trying to trace one of his roads in, say, a wood. He refers to a 'prominent agger' and you would think 'what agger. Where?' I just don't know how he did it.
@@sawyerhja I am staggered by his descriptions and the fieldwork that went into it. Codrington before him didn't even really bother with northern England.
Very informative and entertaining presentation which I enjoyed very much. Thanks..
Thank you Michael! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for commenting.
The Romans steered clear of central " Lanc/s " due to their disike of forestation and hills. and actually paid the locals to be peaceful.
Thanks. Yes, stuffing mouths with gold was a key tactic!
Thank you, I think you are right about the Roman road. I came to this directly after watching Tweedy and Hedley on the Ridgeway. The similarities are striking with multiple potential routes being used over the years and sections where no one is sure of what is what or when. Thanks again.
Thanks Chris. Yes, the amount of ancient routes up on the Pennines there is amazing really. I'm convinced that Maxim was right and the causeway is not the Roman route. Amazing that he discovered that nearly 60 years ago and yet it's still being described as Roman to this day. I need to pop over to Tweedy Outdoors and check that new video out!
I'm just an amateur youtube watcher but I'm convinced by your video
Does that make me an “influencer”?! Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers.
19 seconds in....pack horse route...
Yes, absolutely. The paved Roman road up there is a myth!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Afternoon matey, I think there are some over on the North Yorks Moors near Danby(?), it's a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away! Just watched the church steeple on a hillside vid, you'd have to be a lot closer to the church to get it to match up, and it's skew, like Chesterfield spire. It looks like a sailing boat from a distance, or is it a ski slope, cheese rolling, game related thing. Raining here near Binchester, lovely hypocaust, going for an afternoon kip(ahem), toodle-oo, look forward to your next vid!
@@billykershaw2781 yes, I think you’re talking about the Weardale Roman road. That’s on the list. Another questionable “Roman” road.
That spire would line up from ground level in the garden of the Glebe. Confident about that now. Might do a follow up if they invite us in!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd pedant here, 'Wheeldale' ! What about High Street? Tuesday afternoon.....!
@@billykershaw2781 High Street is complex. I am going to do it, but to do justice to the complex arguments for and against it being Roman is probably 5 days’ worth of filming. Stay tuned!
Why this fetish about "Roman Roads" in general? Did nobody walk anywhere before the Romans invaded? How did those chariots get around ?
The likelihood is that the roads are "Roman Paved Roads" and that they improved existing communication routes rather than forging new pathways.
Hi, I can’t speak for others, but my interest in them is driven by a number of things. Firstly, the rapid manner in which the road network was established. Yes, there were route ways before, but not on that coordinated scale. Secondly, the story of what happened to them after 370 years of Roman rule - they remained the only example of a planned nationwide road network until the 18th Century. Thirdly, they remain identifiable in our landscape - something to find.
They did follow and improve Iron Age routes, as well as creating brand new connections.
Thank you for watching and engaging.
Have you read Graham Robb's book, Ancient Paths? Enlightening.
@@hendox7117 no I haven’t, but I will now - thanks for the recommendation!
They found a road in west Wales and said it was Roman but the problem was the romans never got to this part of Wales and said the Welsh didn't build roads what a load a crap experts looked at it and it was constructed 300 years before romans arrived this is the way historians behave the Welsh could build Stonehenge but couldn't build a road 😊
Thank you. I read about that some time ago. There is a line of thinking with some "experts" that nobody could do anything here until the Romans arrived!
The last twenty years has seen the Web bring more and more information come to the attention of the masses. Wales is a great example of why people need to keep looking recording and questioning the record. West Wales 2024 I have offered evidence of eight new Forts three fortlets marching camps along with many many kms of new road milestones and field systems. The problem is to officially investigate all this and much much more across all of Wales would take decades and is why channels such as this need to put it out there to show we are aware we do our homework and to challenge the official line pre 1990s. Thankfully today's archaeologists like Miles Russell Nial Sharples with Maiden Castle in Dorset highlighting funding led antiquarian conclusions is not the way forward.
@paulwood7798 totally agree and try to do our bit here. We have such a wealth of ancient sites in Britain - many with little to no presence on UA-cam.