Great to see that you've got your hands on a VisionFive 2. :) I'm surprised at the browser video playback though. I've not installed the Debian image since the June 2023 release, but I got very good 720p playback in Firefox with this (I used it for all of my UA-cam, Disney+ and Paramount+ playback for a week!). But the software does take a lot of tweaking, and it is very easy to "break" their engineering release images with any kind of your own install. And never so a sudo apt update on these images!
Uh oh. No sudo apt update? I'll have to look at that video. I wonder if this will be resolved soon... seems like a major problem for a system that most customers will use with debian.
@@johndroyson7921 StarFive provide a script for installing a range of applications, including Firefox and Chromium. I imagine that when we get final software (rather than engineering release) we will be able to do normal updates. :) You can see video playback in my video called "RISC-V Week".
Yeah currently I'd recommend the board if you like to tinker and explore new things; it's impressive how much they've got working already-but it's still a little rough around the edges!
RISC-V doesn't have to be fast or low power. The fact that RISC-V exists will keep ARM Ltd. from getting greedy and lazy. If ARM raises prices, companies will allocate resources to improving and using RISC-V.
Competition is good but remember that RiscV is an open standard ISA that ARM Ltd. could use in it's own designs. Nothing is stopping ARM from creating it's own RV64G design and selling a licence for that.
That's a ridiculous statement. It does have to be fast and low power for anyone to use it actually... Otherwise why would anyone give two craps about it? There's no magic - most companies would rather pay a little extra and get a design that meets their requirements out of the box than invest heavily in the R&D that's needed to make RISC-V not suck...
dude that was so months and months ago that this came out! :) The adv of now vs then, the OS was a pain to get on this 6 months or whatever it was ago. It was a nice SBC to test some RISCV on and make sure some of my code worked good there vs ARM or Intel for passive fingerprinting with satori. It will be interesting to see where they go with this in the future.
Might try btop at the same time to watch temperature. This might be throttling due to temp when all the processors are crunching. I have found RISC-V to throttle at 60C, much lower than other processors.
Canonical now has Ubuntu for this board. I am ordering it soon and will install ubuntu, my goal is to compile Ada through Gnat. I have no interest in graphics for this board. This will serve as my first experiment for using Ada in embedded systems. I am curious to see if the RT_PREEMPT patch will work here. I will use it to power and control a test rover.
Very fine video 👍 Am curious to see where RISC-V will go. Kindest regards, friends and neighbours. P.s. May I cordially suggest that going forward you eliminate your transparently obvious, affected shibboleths? "Counterpartners" ?? "Geeks for nerds" ?? "Chonium" ?? It is not entertaining. And you are speedily self-sabotaging your own franchise value. Trustworthiness is important for techtubers, and such locution erodes trust. I would like to see this excellent channel succeed further.
Its a nice chip but its not ready for primetime. I cant wait until it is ready for primetime and able to go blow for blow with at least ARM's competitors. Then we will be off to the races. Small steps but it will get there.
Risc-v will probably never be able to compete with arm or x86 in speed. Its strong point is in the watts/per cycle. In the future, if our society has to fall into degrowth, in order to save the planet, then systems that require lots of power will be illegal for general use, and would require special licensing. Don't take for granted an Intel or AMD CPU or nvidia GPU at 250 Watts. The future might dictate 5 watts maximum for the general population. And that's where Risc-V can play the role that was meant to play. I mean, right now, video decoding doesn't work. With proper hardware decoding, it should be able to do 1080/30p and 720/60p without dropping frames. Which is plenty for the general population, for that hypothetical future we're talking about. In other words, don't take into account the excesses of today, as the default in the future. All signs point to a degrowth societally.
@@EugeniaLoliOh, sure... "Saving the planet" bullshit just had to be brought up at some point... ARM and what AMD is doing with their Ryzen 9000 desktop chips is totally gonna be enough if the efficiency trend will continue (smaller process nodes, architecture optimizations)...
I’ve been a part of the RISCV committee since the first SBC launched with the Beagle V. It was a huge hype train, walked away from that circus. Very little works and when it does it’s slow molasses. Even on the MCU side Esp32 will still outperform the RISCV variants. RISCV has very little talent behind it. It just sounds really cool….until you use it.
Too bad you didn't have the patience to stay longer. With a bit of luck we will see the Milk-V Pioneer with a 64-core RISC-V chip this year. Biggest problem at the moment is the GPU driver. Imagination Technologies has released open source drivers for the A series. We hope we will see the open source drivers for the B series soon, like the Imagination BXE-4-32 as used in the JH7110.
Great to see that you've got your hands on a VisionFive 2. :) I'm surprised at the browser video playback though. I've not installed the Debian image since the June 2023 release, but I got very good 720p playback in Firefox with this (I used it for all of my UA-cam, Disney+ and Paramount+ playback for a week!). But the software does take a lot of tweaking, and it is very easy to "break" their engineering release images with any kind of your own install. And never so a sudo apt update on these images!
Loved yer pi 500!
Uh oh. No sudo apt update? I'll have to look at that video. I wonder if this will be resolved soon... seems like a major problem for a system that most customers will use with debian.
@@johndroyson7921 StarFive provide a script for installing a range of applications, including Firefox and Chromium. I imagine that when we get final software (rather than engineering release) we will be able to do normal updates. :) You can see video playback in my video called "RISC-V Week".
Yeah currently I'd recommend the board if you like to tinker and explore new things; it's impressive how much they've got working already-but it's still a little rough around the edges!
RISC-V doesn't have to be fast or low power. The fact that RISC-V exists will keep ARM Ltd. from getting greedy and lazy. If ARM raises prices, companies will allocate resources to improving and using RISC-V.
Great point. I fully agree with you. It certainly will keep them on their toes. That's for sure.
Agreed. And RISC-V is already established in the embedded/controller space.
Competition is good but remember that RiscV is an open standard ISA that ARM Ltd. could use in it's own designs. Nothing is stopping ARM from creating it's own RV64G design and selling a licence for that.
That's a ridiculous statement. It does have to be fast and low power for anyone to use it actually... Otherwise why would anyone give two craps about it? There's no magic - most companies would rather pay a little extra and get a design that meets their requirements out of the box than invest heavily in the R&D that's needed to make RISC-V not suck...
As long as people keep working on it, it will get better. Lets see what it's like 5 years down the road
The Milk-V Pioneer is expected in a couple of months. 64-core CPU with AMD GPU.
5 years? More like 20...
dude that was so months and months ago that this came out! :) The adv of now vs then, the OS was a pain to get on this 6 months or whatever it was ago. It was a nice SBC to test some RISCV on and make sure some of my code worked good there vs ARM or Intel for passive fingerprinting with satori. It will be interesting to see where they go with this in the future.
i like to see more about RISC-V. eg. boards that can replace a raspberry or like in esp32-c3
Might try btop at the same time to watch temperature. This might be throttling due to temp when all the processors are crunching.
I have found RISC-V to throttle at 60C, much lower than other processors.
I got it, but it won't boot. I am still messing with the OpenSBI, trying to get a version to work with it. It's why my short, no RISV for me.
Canonical now has Ubuntu for this board. I am ordering it soon and will install ubuntu, my goal is to compile Ada through Gnat. I have no interest in graphics for this board. This will serve as my first experiment for using Ada in embedded systems. I am curious to see if the RT_PREEMPT patch will work here. I will use it to power and control a test rover.
Suggestion: Full how-to getting OpenWrt running on the VF2 with luci and some benchmarks
Great video. Does anyone know what happened to HiFive Pro P550 "Horse Creek"?
Very fine video 👍 Am curious to see where RISC-V will go.
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
P.s. May I cordially suggest that going forward you eliminate your transparently obvious, affected shibboleths?
"Counterpartners" ??
"Geeks for nerds" ??
"Chonium" ??
It is not entertaining. And you are speedily self-sabotaging your own franchise value. Trustworthiness is important for techtubers, and such locution erodes trust.
I would like to see this excellent channel succeed further.
russian alt linux support for sucj board is very good
Dude I can see in your terminal its not even using the GPU.
its using softpipe. You installed the wrong image or something.
I now have one of these boards. FYI the drivers are installed with GLES support BUT for some reason glmark2 doesn't detect them correctly.
@@zezba9000You need OpenGL support for hardware accelerated graphics in desktop. Not OpenGL ES.
@@xshadow-0 Many desktop drivers support GLES. You just have to init API correctly with EGL.
Its a nice chip but its not ready for primetime. I cant wait until it is ready for primetime and able to go blow for blow with at least ARM's competitors. Then we will be off to the races. Small steps but it will get there.
Risc-v will probably never be able to compete with arm or x86 in speed. Its strong point is in the watts/per cycle. In the future, if our society has to fall into degrowth, in order to save the planet, then systems that require lots of power will be illegal for general use, and would require special licensing. Don't take for granted an Intel or AMD CPU or nvidia GPU at 250 Watts. The future might dictate 5 watts maximum for the general population. And that's where Risc-V can play the role that was meant to play.
I mean, right now, video decoding doesn't work. With proper hardware decoding, it should be able to do 1080/30p and 720/60p without dropping frames. Which is plenty for the general population, for that hypothetical future we're talking about.
In other words, don't take into account the excesses of today, as the default in the future. All signs point to a degrowth societally.
@@EugeniaLoliOh, sure... "Saving the planet" bullshit just had to be brought up at some point... ARM and what AMD is doing with their Ryzen 9000 desktop chips is totally gonna be enough if the efficiency trend will continue (smaller process nodes, architecture optimizations)...
Not much just studying for my network plus exam. How about you how's everything been going?
I’ve been a part of the RISCV committee since the first SBC launched with the Beagle V. It was a huge hype train, walked away from that circus. Very little works and when it does it’s slow molasses. Even on the MCU side Esp32 will still outperform the RISCV variants.
RISCV has very little talent behind it. It just sounds really cool….until you use it.
Too bad you didn't have the patience to stay longer. With a bit of luck we will see the Milk-V Pioneer with a 64-core RISC-V chip this year. Biggest problem at the moment is the GPU driver. Imagination Technologies has released open source drivers for the A series. We hope we will see the open source drivers for the B series soon, like the Imagination BXE-4-32 as used in the JH7110.