Nobody's Exactly Sure How Much A Kilogram Is Right Now

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  • Yes, it's only micrograms of difference, but it's still really weird: until 2018, the kilogram is defined as "the weight of this physical object". So what happens when that object changes?
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  • @lukasu8525
    @lukasu8525 6 років тому +8378

    it depends if it's a kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers

    • @nythpill
      @nythpill 5 років тому +405

      but they're feathers......

    • @guymann1660
      @guymann1660 5 років тому +270

      Came here looking for this comment, wasn't disappointed.

    • @sirisgood770
      @sirisgood770 5 років тому +56

      But they're the same

    • @bxdanny
      @bxdanny 5 років тому +92

      They are the same. Even a pound of steel and a pound of feathers. But a pound of gold and a pound of feathers aren't. Well, an ounce of gold and an ounce of feathers aren't. Because an ounce of gold is a Troy ounce. (An old joke. When Troy pound existed, a pound of feathers was heavier.)

    • @neilomac
      @neilomac 4 роки тому +196

      This comment is like going the wrong way down a one way street.

  • @DuncanEllis
    @DuncanEllis 8 років тому +5097

    a weighty issue with many opportunities for mass confusion.

    • @Chironex_Fleckeri
      @Chironex_Fleckeri 8 років тому +217

      thanks, dad

    • @DuncanEllis
      @DuncanEllis 8 років тому +107

      _shrug_ No point denying that.

    • @MrAbood900
      @MrAbood900 8 років тому +132

      this is a very massive issue, it's been weighing down on me for a long time

    • @Schurfable
      @Schurfable 8 років тому +118

      I like your joke a ton!

    • @aednil
      @aednil 8 років тому +98

      we might not understand the gravity of the situation, yet. It will be a heavy task to take on.

  • @PracticalEngineeringChannel
    @PracticalEngineeringChannel 8 років тому +417

    I've got a watt-balance project in the works. Still working out the details.

    • @koustavbhattacharyya
      @koustavbhattacharyya 4 роки тому +13

      A channel that has 1.62M subs in 2020 had a comment with just 1 like for 4 Years!
      UA-cam really is the level playing field one hopes for!
      Hey Grady! Love Your videos!! One of my favourite channels out there!!

    • @mrpigeo
      @mrpigeo 4 роки тому +1

      ok

    • @Shady22
      @Shady22 3 роки тому +2

      Is it done?

    • @antonf.9278
      @antonf.9278 3 роки тому +3

      @Practical Engineering I hope you have a plank's constant project in the works, because that's how it's defined now

    • @Jamesits
      @Jamesits 3 роки тому

      And we've been still waiting!

  • @Jay_Bee_Beats
    @Jay_Bee_Beats 3 роки тому +742

    So apparently the new kilogram standard is this -
    "The kilogram, symbol kg, is the SI unit of mass. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.626 070 15 × 10-34 when expressed in the unit J s, which is equal to kg m2 s -1 , where the meter and the second are defined in terms of c and ∆νCs."

    • @grimmmmmmme
      @grimmmmmmme 2 роки тому +75

      Oh god that hurt my brain

    • @theJuggla17
      @theJuggla17 2 роки тому +43

      And people think Fahrenheit is bad smh

    • @sakkikoyumikishi
      @sakkikoyumikishi 2 роки тому +86

      This is neat. Doesn't tell us how they'll actually 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 kilograms for standardisation purposes, but the definition itself is pleasingly simple and universal.
      Yes, I said simple. If you don't believe me, try these two on for size:
      "The second, symbol s, is the SI unit of time. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the caesium frequency ΔνCs, the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine transition frequency of the caesium-133 atom, to be 9 192 631 770 when expressed in the unit Hz, which is equal to s-1."
      "The candela, symbol cd, is the SI unit of luminous intensity in a given direction. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the luminous efficacy of monochromatic radiation of frequency 540 x 1012 Hz, Kcd, to be 683 when expressed in the unit lm W-1, which is equal to cd sr W-1, or cd sr kg-1 m-2 s3, where the kilogram, metre and second are defined in terms of h, c and ΔνCs."
      See my point? 😉

    • @TPK_MAKG
      @TPK_MAKG 2 роки тому +29

      @@sakkikoyumikishi a second is the time time it takes for me to say "one thousand and one".

    • @MrAwawe
      @MrAwawe Рік тому +43

      @@theJuggla17 Fahrenheit is defined based on kelvin, and "since 2019 the scale has been defined by fixing the Boltzmann constant k to be exactly 1.380649×10−23 J⋅K−1."

  • @crumpetblogs1030
    @crumpetblogs1030 8 років тому +5234

    nobody's exactly sure how much a pound is right now either

    • @RDD123nam1
      @RDD123nam1 8 років тому +244

      Underrated comment

    • @ValentineC137
      @ValentineC137 8 років тому +1

      Yup

    • @MagisterMalleus
      @MagisterMalleus 8 років тому +1

      Nice

    •  8 років тому +91

      Worse, they were so unsure about what a pound is, there are many kinds of pounds now.

    • @MermaidTyrone
      @MermaidTyrone 8 років тому +136

      +Alexander Tamayo Dont you get the joke?

  • @peterdietrich8810
    @peterdietrich8810 7 років тому +1999

    I want a mission in GTA where you steal the kilogram and sell it back for millions.

    • @Imtotallydiggingthis
      @Imtotallydiggingthis 6 років тому +191

      Or steal it, chip a corner and return it. :)

    • @krzysztofpiasek5682
      @krzysztofpiasek5682 5 років тому +49

      In 20th of May next year the definition of a kilogram will change at it's core. Stealing that kilogram now is not such a big deal.

    • @bioLarzen
      @bioLarzen 5 років тому +7

      ... as if there was no backup of that existing :D

    • @cediviannareeda4305
      @cediviannareeda4305 4 роки тому +5

      Wow, an affidavit that that would be worth its weight in kilograms

    • @ricecake1228
      @ricecake1228 4 роки тому +2

      @@krzysztofpiasek5682 warning time is near

  • @salvijusaukstikalnis5130
    @salvijusaukstikalnis5130 8 років тому +2956

    1kg = 1000g duh

    • @neonlemurs4865
      @neonlemurs4865 8 років тому +10

      But you kep going down and down.

    • @prosincr
      @prosincr 8 років тому +118

      +Ninja lemur he's joking

    • @salvijusaukstikalnis5130
      @salvijusaukstikalnis5130 8 років тому +80

      Dilip Tien oh noes, you found out!!!

    • @storn7024
      @storn7024 8 років тому +122

      1g = 1000mg duh

    • @prosincr
      @prosincr 8 років тому +1

      the best cameraman kilogram/1000

  • @slashpointo
    @slashpointo 4 роки тому +530

    My local drug dealer linked me to this video after ripping me off. All makes sense now. What a nice guy

    • @mistermistero75
      @mistermistero75 4 роки тому +19

      It's been more than an year since the kg is based on physics laws and not an object anymore

  • @WhyDoesMyCodeNotCompile
    @WhyDoesMyCodeNotCompile 5 років тому +1669

    And today 16.11.2018 The vote to change the definition of the kilogram has offically and unanimously passed in paris. SI-Units will no longer depend on physical artifacts, just on the fundamental constants of nature. Praise Science

    • @NotHPotter
      @NotHPotter 5 років тому +22

      YAY! You beat me to it!

    • @cinquine1
      @cinquine1 4 роки тому +29

      @Nunovia Gottdamnedbizzness Noether says what?

    • @michellegoede2258
      @michellegoede2258 4 роки тому +207

      Funny thing here, the new definition of the kilogram came into effect on the day of my physics exam, and the examinations removed a question regarding the definition, because the answer didn't hold up anymore.

    • @1brianm7
      @1brianm7 4 роки тому +8

      11.16*

    • @michellegoede2258
      @michellegoede2258 4 роки тому +114

      @@1brianm7 16.11, like most of the world use it

  • @OptimusPhillip
    @OptimusPhillip 3 роки тому +236

    I am from the future. The kilogram is now defined based on the Planck constant, which is absolute, universal, and has units of kilogram meters-squared per second. With the physically defined meter and second, this number can be used to define a kilogram.

    • @mcfixer9503
      @mcfixer9503 10 місяців тому +1

      meters are now defined by the speed of light

  • @SentinalKnight
    @SentinalKnight 8 років тому +255

    That sphere reminds me of vertasium's world's roundest object video....

    • @sion8
      @sion8 8 років тому +84

      Because it was a similar item meant for the same purpose.

    • @niallkinsella2687
      @niallkinsella2687 8 років тому +29

      I actually thought it was the same sphere from veritasium's video

    • @sion8
      @sion8 8 років тому +7

      Niall Kinsella​
      Maybe it is?

    • @Willy-nu3oc
      @Willy-nu3oc 7 років тому +3

      tf guys, that's the similar sphere from veritasium video

    • @CrustyBiker
      @CrustyBiker 7 років тому

      awesome video, I've watched it soo many times, It's fascinating and ingenious to see the Metric system was invented in all of its glory!!

  • @SurpriseCollector
    @SurpriseCollector 8 років тому +870

    i hope they will make a bigger kilogram, then I will lose weight without dieting :)

    • @Chelsea_2001
      @Chelsea_2001 6 років тому +11

      A kg is as big as you want it to be.
      But it’s always one kg heavy. 🙄

    • @4ltrz555
      @4ltrz555 5 років тому +16

      @@sahibjot01 r/woooosh

    • @jacobflint9359
      @jacobflint9359 4 роки тому +8

      @@sahibjot01 r/woooosh

    • @CityWhisperer
      @CityWhisperer 4 роки тому +4

      @@sahibjot01 jesus christ kid calm yourself down

    • @TheElvisnator
      @TheElvisnator 4 роки тому +5

      @@sahibjot01 Like you, kiddo

  • @AvailableUsernameTed
    @AvailableUsernameTed 8 років тому +34

    "Operation Gram Slam, Mr. Bond is where my team of svelt cat burglars shave milligrams off *the* Kilogram thus increasing the amount of all my stuff. Ha ha!"
    "But wouldn't that increase everyone's stuff equally, Gramfinger?"
    "oh .. yeah."

  • @hugo-garcia
    @hugo-garcia 4 роки тому +138

    Nobody exactly sure how much a kilogram is right now... Specially Americans

    • @ThePaperKhan
      @ThePaperKhan 3 роки тому +10

      Yupie. What's a km? Kanadian miles?

    • @Attaxalotl
      @Attaxalotl 3 роки тому +4

      ~2 lbs
      🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

    • @Attaxalotl
      @Attaxalotl 3 роки тому +4

      This is *SATIRE*
      I am american, and am constitutionally allowed to make this joke.

    • @kenneth5355
      @kenneth5355 3 роки тому +3

      @@Attaxalotl Not if you're from Puerto Rico, Guam, Samoa or others :(

  • @The_Horizon
    @The_Horizon 3 роки тому +40

    1:46 how did they get that photo without a camera in the reflection pointing it?

    • @marielikes2502
      @marielikes2502 3 роки тому +9

      is that block in the middle not Tom’s phone on a stand?

    • @CadillacDriver
      @CadillacDriver 3 роки тому +5

      @@marielikes2502 what ever that is (phone or otherwise) it's definitely what took the video.

    • @CadillacDriver
      @CadillacDriver 3 роки тому +1

      It's a video, not a photo.

    • @asheep7797
      @asheep7797 2 роки тому +3

      @@marielikes2502 yes, but the reason why MrLagEveryP2WServer was confused was because it looks like the guy in the background is doing things on top of it.

  • @DJ_Dett
    @DJ_Dett 8 років тому +525

    I'm surprised we don't all use a unit of mass based on 1 MOL of pure water at its exact freezing point, or something else more definitive.

    • @R421Excelsior
      @R421Excelsior 6 років тому +284

      There was an attempt to standardize kilogram as a liter of water at 0°C and under atmospheric pressure, but the problem as, that pressure units are derived from are and mass, so it would refer to itself.

    • @s1mppeli
      @s1mppeli 6 років тому +62

      The mass of 1mol of water would not change based on temperature

    • @5astelija75
      @5astelija75 6 років тому +39

      The silicone sphere is the same thing, 100% definitive and easier to handle than water...

    • @factsverse9957
      @factsverse9957 6 років тому +13

      Isn't the definition of a kilogramme 1L of pure H2O at 4°C?

    • @s1mppeli
      @s1mppeli 6 років тому +37

      Kenji Gunawan no

  • @writinglife6244
    @writinglife6244 8 років тому +12

    There are very few channels which I watch, and none with which I am more pleased with when a new video is uploadly. Tom, your videos are incessantly informative, frequently funny, professionally produced and eminently enjoyable. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Keep it up sir. You're providing an excellent source of knowledge and entertainment. Thank you.

  • @puellanivis
    @puellanivis 8 років тому +14

    I worked for the Metrology Lab at NMSU it was pretty cool. It was kind of weird because we got a lot of shipments from all over New Mexico to validate their weight… it's kind of weird when it's like, “Package weight: 1 kg ± 5 µg”
    Apparently, there's a set of weights that keeps getting posted around to the various state metrology labs and they weigh them and compare results. It was kind of cool. :)

  • @EamonBurke
    @EamonBurke 8 років тому +53

    The watt balance thing is amazing! That is definitely the most practical way of doing it, though there is more room for error in execution that won't result in an obvious failure.

    • @d2factotum
      @d2factotum 8 років тому +32

      Surely the main problem with it is that gravity isn't constant around the world, whereas the kilogram is a unit of mass and needs to be independent of such things?

    • @Djorgal
      @Djorgal 8 років тому +12

      Exactly, using weight to mesure mass is problematic.

    • @bharath.purtipli
      @bharath.purtipli 8 років тому

      +d2factotum yeah good point. And what about the equipment you use to measure it?

    • @Wilron
      @Wilron 8 років тому

      For the majority of the world gravity is considered to be constant as the relative height differences between different counties compared to the radius of the earth is most of the time insignificant. But for the absolute 1 kg mass it would make a difference. So how about using the watt balance at agreed radius from the centre of the earth so that gravity would be constant and the weight of a 1 kg mass would also be the same.

    • @d2factotum
      @d2factotum 8 років тому +6

      Wilron
      Gravity isn't constant even at constant radius from the centre of the Earth--local geology can make a difference. Not a large difference, but when you want something to be accurate to better than a millionth of a percent, an important difference. Also, how would you accurately measure your distance from the centre of the Earth in the first place?

  • @flawbertrobert
    @flawbertrobert 8 років тому +2

    Man! So cool all the random stuff you do videos on. I also like when you get guests to chip in on their fields of expertise.

  • @MPSpecial
    @MPSpecial 4 роки тому +6

    I briefly worked at the International Bureau of Weights and Measurements, at the masses department, I could have a glance at the Kibble scale, that machine made to correlate the kilogram to the Planck constant so we don't rely on standard masses anymore. That thing is so precise it can catch the gravitational gradient across the room. Heck it even has to take into account its own gravitational field in the computation. They put it in in a basement room after removing the floor, so it has no physical contact with the building.

  • @LabaShabba
    @LabaShabba 8 років тому +4

    Well explained tom. I find metrology is a subject people either click with instantly or just seem puzzled by the whole thing all together. Good concise explanations of some quite complicated information. NPL have excellent training information too so good to see they have a channel, thanks

  • @StrydarXtheXGrim
    @StrydarXtheXGrim 8 років тому +2

    I only just found toms channel a few days ago, I can't stop watching it. He's so entertaining in a nerdy way

  • @ericsbuds
    @ericsbuds 8 років тому

    I love the randomness of the topics you cover. always something interesting!

  • @OblivionTube
    @OblivionTube 8 років тому +275

    Is that the same sphere that Veritasium touched? =)

    • @lauradotwav3123
      @lauradotwav3123 8 років тому +2

      Newest comment

    • @Box-of-hats
      @Box-of-hats 8 років тому +56

      No. The sphere that Veritasium touched was the "most spherical object" in the world which is different to this one

    • @MerthanE
      @MerthanE 8 років тому +13

      wtf youtube comment posted 6 minutes ago reply 9 minutes ago

    • @chubaozor
      @chubaozor 8 років тому +24

      Which is the same thing if not the exact same sphere.

    • @500karka
      @500karka 8 років тому +37

      did you jsut see the title of the video and not watch it? the whole point of the spehere was a base kilogram unit

  • @commenterjosh2428
    @commenterjosh2428 4 роки тому +12

    0:01 "You may be a doctor, but I am THE Doctor. The definite article, you might say."

    • @idle_speculation
      @idle_speculation 10 місяців тому

      That line hit hard at the end of The Doctor Falls

  • @TimChuma
    @TimChuma 8 років тому +10

    "Quit polishing your kilogram!"..."I'm polishing my kilogram right now baybeee!"

  • @Radcom123
    @Radcom123 8 років тому

    Another great video Tom keep up the good work

  • @ballinangel3231
    @ballinangel3231 8 років тому +3

    I love learning about stuff like this, we never really think about where we get our measurements from.

  • @JM-us3fr
    @JM-us3fr 8 років тому +4

    Thank god, it's been forever since Veritasium talked about this, I've been waiting for an update

  • @johnhanson5527
    @johnhanson5527 8 років тому +1

    Just wanted you to know You're one of the reasons I switched my major to computer science. It's a joy watching you! Cheers from Texas!

    • @mmbleachtasty6121
      @mmbleachtasty6121 3 роки тому

      What was is before and what year?

    • @dannypipewrench533
      @dannypipewrench533 2 роки тому

      Oh, please get a job with Texas Instruments and make me an overpowered calculator.

  • @GaviLazan
    @GaviLazan 8 років тому +95

    Isn't a KG equal to 1 Liter of water? And that is equal to 1000 cubic cm?
    Length shouldn't be that hard to keep constant, and that could be narrowed down to x times the width of an atom. Why not just use that?

    • @TomScottGo
      @TomScottGo  8 років тому +154

      +Gavers23 Not quite! And that depends on a lot of qualities of the water…

    • @epicsnail14
      @epicsnail14 8 років тому +40

      for example if the water is slightly different to base H2O (like if chlorine is added) the weight will be changed so weight is very difficult to measure like that

    • @idamontede
      @idamontede 8 років тому +30

      +Tom Scott are you going to talk about brexit?

    • @UKMLGgaming
      @UKMLGgaming 8 років тому +3

      Wait, are you an Arandanaut?

    • @amshermansen
      @amshermansen 8 років тому +7

      Not ... really, no. A kilogram is a measure of weight. A liter is a measure of volume. A liter of yoghurt isn't going to weigh as much as a liter of milk (or even water)

  • @Wyatt_James
    @Wyatt_James 8 років тому +39

    And then gravity changes just to f*** you over.

    • @joshstead6078
      @joshstead6078 8 років тому +16

      It wouldn't matter, that is the constant, we'd still use that as our Kilogram.

    • @bno112300
      @bno112300 8 років тому +26

      They're measuring mass, not weight. You should see how volts are defined, you need an infinitely long pair of conductors.

  • @samotten9874
    @samotten9874 8 років тому +34

    Fixing the kilogram is all well and good but what we really need is an alternative to the candela. We can't have "the luminosity of a candle" as one of the SI base units, that's just wrong.

    • @015Fede
      @015Fede 8 років тому +37

      Yes, indeed it's wrong.
      "The candela is the luminous intensity, in a given direction, of a source that emits monochromatic radiation of frequency 540×10^12 hertz and that has a radiant intensity in that direction of 1⁄683 watt per steradian."
      That's how the candela is defined.

    • @Wazzaps
      @Wazzaps 8 років тому +1

      luxs?

    • @samotten9874
      @samotten9874 8 років тому +2

      That's still just disgustingly arbitrary. 1 watt per steradian would at least be seemingly logical.

    • @vengefulenigma
      @vengefulenigma 8 років тому +4

      Everything in these definitions has a purpose, i learned about this in my class and the 1/683 of a watt also has a purpose (although i've forgotten it by now)

    • @volbla
      @volbla 8 років тому +21

      +Sam Otten All unit definitions are arbetrary, because units themselves are inherently arbitrary. It's not like it matters how we measure things. We just use what we use for historical reasons.

  • @scbtripwire
    @scbtripwire 7 років тому

    When this absolute method of measuring/defining a kilogram is fully developed, I'd love a follow-up video, please!

  • @jedigecko06
    @jedigecko06 8 років тому

    +Tom Scott, you should do a video at the The National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park.
    Just when I thought I was fully geeked out, I turned around and saw the slide rules....

  • @hazzalandy
    @hazzalandy 8 років тому +5

    Having been to the NPL I can confirm its an amazing place, they have the darkest room in Europe there, as well as an insanely cool anechoic chamber.
    As an aside, could you not use a pendulum to measure mass?

    • @JohnnyBooi
      @JohnnyBooi 4 роки тому

      How would you use a pendulum to measure mass? (Seems like there's some way that I'm not aware of, so I'm genuinely curious)

  • @stephencrompton4352
    @stephencrompton4352 8 років тому +290

    no it doesn't weigh 1Kg, it weighs 9.8N.

    • @b_28282
      @b_28282 8 років тому +62

      But what if he's filming this on the moon

    • @stephencrompton4352
      @stephencrompton4352 8 років тому +24

      b 28282 then it would be 1.6N I think

    • @drew295
      @drew295 8 років тому +25

      Nothing weights Newton. Newton is a Force, that's why it can vary

    • @stephencrompton4352
      @stephencrompton4352 8 років тому +96

      Daniel Palaci weight is the force downwards due to gravity, weight is a force. Kg is for mass. W=mg.

    • @drew295
      @drew295 8 років тому +19

      Yea you are right. I got confused with mass.

  • @MouseFloof
    @MouseFloof 8 років тому

    Tom! Next year, on Mid-summer's Solstace; go to Alesund and experience Slinningsbålet!!

  • @somegeezer
    @somegeezer 8 років тому +2

    This is actually strangely relevant to me right now, as I'm doing some worldbuilding, and trying to figure out some mathematical constants for my universe.

  • @NonsensicalSpudz
    @NonsensicalSpudz 8 років тому +75

    its probably less now, considering we "left" the eu

  • @jaewok5G
    @jaewok5G 4 роки тому +3

    "a pint's a pound the world around" - sorted [sheesh]

  • @SdudyoyO
    @SdudyoyO 8 років тому +1

    This is one of the few facts you've shared I actually knew!

  • @MateusSFigueiredo
    @MateusSFigueiredo 6 років тому

    I already knew about the traditional kilogram and the sphere kilogram, but I watched the video anyway, and learned about the watt balance. This channel is great.

  • @JimFortune
    @JimFortune 8 років тому +148

    How about doing a video about why UA-cam no longer cites the person you're replying to in the comment section?

    • @MajesticSkywhale
      @MajesticSkywhale 8 років тому +18

      look at that bullshit! they removed all the spaced lines. the bastards!

    • @Minecraftster148790
      @Minecraftster148790 8 років тому

      It does

    • @Minecraftster148790
      @Minecraftster148790 8 років тому +2

      +Minecraftster148790 like this

    • @volbla
      @volbla 8 років тому +26

      I heard that "only 1% of their userbase uses that function" or something. Because that's a good reason to make the comment section much worse for anyone actually using it for fruitful dialogue. Bollocks is what it is.

    • @JimFortune
      @JimFortune 8 років тому +1

      Cyril Nope. I've tried. But it still works when you reply using the "bell" notifications.

  • @notar2123
    @notar2123 3 роки тому +5

    And I always thought the definition of a kilogram was the mass of exactly 1 liter of water at standard temperature and pressure. Seems I was wrong.

    • @WAHa06x36
      @WAHa06x36 Рік тому +3

      This was the definition between 1795 and 1799. You are slightly out of date.

  • @kingavrix8799
    @kingavrix8799 8 років тому

    I love learning New things and Every video is so interesting!

  • @LeiosLabs
    @LeiosLabs 8 років тому +2

    Just wanted to point out that there are plenty of physicists around the world interested in precision measurements, especially in atomic physics. It's crazy to see the precision on a second, for example, and the lengths physicists must go to to make sure the second IS as precise as they say!

  • @MrDeadInMyPocket
    @MrDeadInMyPocket 8 років тому +104

    Why not just keep a 100 of them. When you want to know how much a kilogram is measure them all, the average is the kilogram.

    • @TomScottGo
      @TomScottGo  8 років тому +124

      +MrDeadInMyPocket That's basically what they do (there are many copies) - but how would you know if they all shifted in sync?

    • @MrDeadInMyPocket
      @MrDeadInMyPocket 8 років тому +4

      It's not a matter of knowing "if" they shift. Individual units will shift. Some will shift one way, some will shift in the other. The average of all remains the same. You can even have various sample groups. Perhaps three sets of 100.
      EDIT; Now that I'm thinking about your question. What we're talking about is really subjective vs objective, perhaps? If we all agree to call this specific measure a kilogram and that measure is drifting, the important thing is that we all agree, not the actual measure. I don't want to call what we call a kilogram arbitrary, that's why I say subjective. Can there be an objective measure of what a kilogram is and can that be a constant. Not sure. Maybe it's something we need to constantly test and maintain. I'll think on it, thanks for the video.

    • @KriVaDesign
      @KriVaDesign 8 років тому +51

      That's why Tom mentioned the "in sync" bit... If they all shift to the same side of the scale, you'd have no way of knowing.

    • @MrDeadInMyPocket
      @MrDeadInMyPocket 8 років тому +3

      Thomas Vandermeiren
      You might get aberrant shifts in small sample sizes. It's unlikely, and less likely the more you have. That's why I suggested multiple sets.
      If you think of it this way. If you have two clocks and one clock runs slow, how do you know which clock is really wrong? The more clocks you have the greater accuracy. Clocks will "Shift" their measurement, but with work you're able to maintain the proper time.
      Though the idea of an objective measure sounds like a good idea.

    • @MrDeadInMyPocket
      @MrDeadInMyPocket 8 років тому +1

      *****
      Exactly. The idea of a kilogram is somewhat subjective. We agree on what a kilogram is and under what conditions we measure.
      The subjective measure is a useful tool At this point I'm wondering if there is such a thing as an objective kilogram. So this is a kilogram, but relative to what? lol

  • @PixelOutlaw
    @PixelOutlaw 8 років тому +74

    When you "buy a kilogram of something in America"? We reserve metric measurements for drug dealers. Sound is measured relative to an average bald eagle's call (actually a red tailed hawk), spacial volume in eagle tears, and distance in relation to some foreign dead king's foot.

    • @8is
      @8is 5 років тому +2

      he's just optimistic about the future

    • @zyaicob
      @zyaicob 4 роки тому +4

      It's fantastic that i can't tell how much of this comment is satire

    • @Adahn99
      @Adahn99 4 роки тому

      Also isn't velocity American Flags'waves per bullet?

    • @prva9347
      @prva9347 2 роки тому

      In day to day life for most of us it's enough to use basic comparisons - big, bigger, biggest (e.g. coffee cup sizes in cafes), heavy, heavier, heaviest :-)

  • @NikButler
    @NikButler 8 років тому

    Tom , that plan/drawing on the wall to the right of where you are standing at the beginning . can we have a closer look at that ... it looked cool

  • @dingo137
    @dingo137 8 років тому +2

    The watt balance relates the kilogram to electrical quantities like current and voltage. But under the current SI system, those are defined based on (among other things) the kilogram, so they'll need redefining too to avoid a circular definition.

    • @dannypipewrench533
      @dannypipewrench533 2 роки тому

      Well, looks like it is time to go back to English units, we will just take an average of everyone's foot size and go with that.

  • @guilemaigre14
    @guilemaigre14 8 років тому +6

    Tom, will you give your impression at some point about Brexit ?

    • @TomScottGo
      @TomScottGo  8 років тому +14

      I've put a note with my thoughts on my Facebook page - the link's in the description - but ultimately it's not predictable. No-one knows what's going to happen next!

    • @rjfaber1991
      @rjfaber1991 8 років тому +3

      +Tom Scott Boris Johnson knows, according to himself. Then again, Boris has become as optimistic of late as that Iraqi minister in the Second Gulf War who was declaring to the world that everything was fine while bombs were audibly dropping in the background...

  • @gigithehedgehog8469
    @gigithehedgehog8469 2 роки тому +3

    That's interesting. I remember learning in school that a kilogram was defined as the mass of a liter of water. I didn't know that had changed. The way the water thing was described to me seemed like a foolproof idea at the time. Why was it changed? Do different kinds of water have different mass, making it an inaccurate definition? Or was it something else?

    • @nolategame6367
      @nolategame6367 2 роки тому +6

      it was defined with water at a specific pressure and temperature... but pressure itself is derived from mass - which meant the definition was circuitous. however, this was indeed one the historical definitions of the kilogram

    • @twitchy.mp3
      @twitchy.mp3 Рік тому

      I also imagine in todays world once you have a liquid kilo and you make a solid kilo there would be no real reason to use the liquid kilo afterward it would only be a less reliable weight being the inside is moving?

  • @SeanHodgins
    @SeanHodgins 8 років тому +1

    Doesn't the spring - or in the case of the speaker, the rubber - have an effect on the calculation of the voltage/current method? Wouldn't you have to assume the springs were all perfect and never changing?

  • @mochino_mocha7357
    @mochino_mocha7357 3 роки тому +2

    "...fairly easy to produce."
    oh neat so maybe I could like buy one for decoration then-
    "costs 2.5 million euros."
    *oh*

  • @AlecShernAPS
    @AlecShernAPS 8 років тому +4

    Anyone got any channel recommendations that are as high quality as this channel?

    • @SimonClarkstone
      @SimonClarkstone 8 років тому +2

      I find "sharkee" pretty good, and he doesn't have many subscribers.

    • @tobitoes1052
      @tobitoes1052 8 років тому

      +Simon Clarkstone Really?! 72000 is quite a lot of people

    • @Azgoth2
      @Azgoth2 8 років тому +6

      Veritasium and Smarter Every Day for science-y stuff, CGP Grey for very infrequent but very high-quality, well-researched videos. Numberphile, Computerphile, Sixty Symbols, Periodic Videos, and other channels done by Brady Haran for more long-form, still sciencey/mathey/computery, much more frequent videos.

    • @kilogramm7
      @kilogramm7 8 років тому +1

      I highly recommend VSauce. He explains interesting question in a really unique way. You should watch him. As for my predecessor i can second his choice on brady haran videos.

    • @yashtibrewala7287
      @yashtibrewala7287 8 років тому

      I'd suggest Nerdwriter1. He just brilliant!

  • @LARAUJO_0
    @LARAUJO_0 7 років тому +46

    the original definition of a kilogram was 1 litre of water
    so why don't we just put a litre of water in a jug and call it a day?

    • @psychosorcerer9438
      @psychosorcerer9438 7 років тому +6

      LARAUJO How do you know the markings on the measuring device are accurate and haven't changed since then?

    • @MM-sk8ir
      @MM-sk8ir 7 років тому +18

      Volume depends on temperature so a liter of water wouldn't weigh the same at all temperatures.

    • @MM-sk8ir
      @MM-sk8ir 7 років тому +3

      And assuming water doesn't compress or expand much due to the change in the atmospheric pressure

    • @Tsuyara
      @Tsuyara 7 років тому +7

      Water is simply less constant than this and i'd guess also more difficult to handle.

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 7 років тому

      why not just say a gram is 1 cubic centimeter of some metal

  • @richardscales9560
    @richardscales9560 6 років тому +1

    Weights and Measures Act 1985 Schedule 1 part vi (for gb anyhow). Though in many respects the lb no longer technically exists as it's not a legal trade measure and I don't think there are physical standards left in place for imperial measures anymore

  • @carlos32195
    @carlos32195 8 років тому

    Good old International System of Units(SI) I remember studying this in university, you should make a video about that.
    time: second
    length: meter
    mass: kilogram
    electric current: Ampere
    temperature: Kelvin
    amount of substance: mole
    luminous intensity: candela

  • @112BALAGE112
    @112BALAGE112 8 років тому +7

    Sooo... are we talking about weight or mass? You mentioned both.

    • @Titanium1500
      @Titanium1500 8 років тому +7

      Until we start needing to measure mass on different planets, the relationship between the two is defined by a simple constant, so unless you're talking about specific values of the weight/mass of something, it doesn't matter.

    • @112BALAGE112
      @112BALAGE112 8 років тому +8

      Titanium1500 This is physics goddammit. Our measurements should work perfectly even on the edge of a black hole! :)

    • @joshstead6078
      @joshstead6078 8 років тому +3

      It's interchangeable in this instance. Obviously we're talking about weight, that's what we use Kilos for, but since we're establishing a set weight here it's not inaccurate to say that's it's a set mass. We're not changing gravity so the two are the same.

    • @xZise
      @xZise 8 років тому +4

      As the kilogram is defined as a unit of mass they are talking about a unit of mass. Weight is physically measured in Newton which is itself depending on the mass.

    • @stephencrompton4352
      @stephencrompton4352 8 років тому +1

      +Fabian Neundorf yes, because if this object has a MASS of 1Kg, the its weight is actually 9.8N on earth.

  • @zenroles
    @zenroles 5 років тому +52

    Finally we can say that a Kilogram of steel is heavier than a Kilogram of feathers.
    Because steel is heavier than feathers.

    • @HexaFrog
      @HexaFrog 4 роки тому +2

      But they're both a kaelogram....

    • @HexaFrog
      @HexaFrog 4 роки тому

      @@wisdry But they're both a kaelogram

  • @Georgemccarron
    @Georgemccarron 8 років тому +1

    woahh good timing, I was at NPL literally a couple of hours ago :')

    • @RinglLeader
      @RinglLeader 8 років тому +1

      what were you there for? My dad works there and I live a short bus drive away

    • @Georgemccarron
      @Georgemccarron 8 років тому

      +MLG Mr Tumble school trip :)

    • @BRE3ZYE
      @BRE3ZYE 8 років тому +1

      Are you saying you ride the short bus?

  • @Davemcfc
    @Davemcfc 8 років тому

    That face that Tom pulls at the end of his last statement in each video...

  • @Tamiyaviolin
    @Tamiyaviolin 8 років тому +12

    Expected something about Brexit!

    • @Tamiyaviolin
      @Tamiyaviolin 8 років тому +11

      It's quite refreshing that it wasn't

    • @BOSKD
      @BOSKD 8 років тому +1

      +Zack Miller Don't worry, it's not weighing down by much. It's in pounds remember.

    • @Tamiyaviolin
      @Tamiyaviolin 8 років тому +1

      +Zack Miller *a very limp 'ba dum tss'*

    • @Tamiyaviolin
      @Tamiyaviolin 8 років тому +1

      +BOSK *a slightly less limp 'ba dum tss'*

  • @gamoviestudios1388
    @gamoviestudios1388 4 роки тому +9

    1:05 Me with broken earbuds: it doesn't matter is it's GAY (silence) amount of mass-

  • @ihathtelekinesis
    @ihathtelekinesis 8 років тому +2

    Or we could just go back to using Imperial everywhere and worrying about the length of a barleycorn.

  • @beaniepollard8290
    @beaniepollard8290 8 років тому

    I went past the NPL last Thursday. Thought it sounded cool and I'd like to go there.

  • @Flornmonk
    @Flornmonk 8 років тому +57

    Veritasium already made a good video about this.

    • @ScofieTwo
      @ScofieTwo 8 років тому +8

      it was about curvature not weight

    • @Flornmonk
      @Flornmonk 8 років тому

      +SCOFIE he did one about weight as well.

    • @MultiSciGeek
      @MultiSciGeek 8 років тому

      Exactly what I was thinking

    • @gorea235
      @gorea235 8 років тому +1

      it was the same object, it needs to be perfectly spherical in order to measure it accurately

    • @froidesprit
      @froidesprit 8 років тому +10

      +Pan kurczak
      Watch the video again. Dirk explained that the kilogram sphere is the most spherical thing.

  • @user-ul6bm8pt2y
    @user-ul6bm8pt2y 8 років тому +6

    I wonder if the british standard kilogram can drop as hard as the british pound.

  • @0312matheus
    @0312matheus 7 років тому

    Hi, does someone knows where can I find more material about this idea of measuring weight with a loudspeaker? I will do a project for a course of instrumentation that is similar to it, but I can't find a lot of sources.

  • @Skellingtor97
    @Skellingtor97 8 років тому

    Hey, Tom! What's with the endslate with your face linking to your channel and a video above it? This is something I've seen in your and many others's videos, and I've been wondering how you got it.

  • @Jona69
    @Jona69 8 років тому +5

    Or we just go back to a liter of water.

    • @Jona69
      @Jona69 8 років тому

      Pan kurczak But at least it's stays consistant in the long term. Every once in a while you do a refresh.

    • @Electriix1
      @Electriix1 8 років тому

      Yeah because the mass of a litre of water is constant right

    • @Electriix1
      @Electriix1 8 років тому +1

      But the mass of the water will still depend on temperature and ambient pressure

    • @muhilan8540
      @muhilan8540 8 років тому

      Actually it is supposed to be at 4 degrees celsius

    • @Colopty
      @Colopty 8 років тому

      Yep, the temperature is given as 4 degrees celsius, when water is at its densest.

  • @IUNFE
    @IUNFE 8 років тому +47

    Hey tom, will brexit affect your videos? thanks

  • @vireakyuth582
    @vireakyuth582 4 роки тому

    I’ve learn more from Tom than my 6 years in high school

  • @sagjig2
    @sagjig2 5 років тому

    I guess you could say this is an absolute unit.

  • @accounteasy91
    @accounteasy91 8 років тому +56

    hoped i was the thousand viewer so i could be the kiloviewer :D

    • @cle3446
      @cle3446 5 років тому

      This doesnt make really sense bc kgs can be translated to 1kg = 1000000mg also 1kg = 10hg or 1kg = 100dag

    • @ourladypeace3
      @ourladypeace3 4 роки тому +7

      moomin renjun Kilo means thousand.

  • @critcore736
    @critcore736 6 років тому +4

    but can it run crysis

  • @mxecho
    @mxecho 8 років тому

    how does a watt scale stanedrize a measurement for mass? How could that help define the kilo with an unstable Prototype kilo and the inherrent problems of using so many physical variables like resistance, air pressure, gravity, and the degradation of the materials used to make the scale

  • @LuckyBird551
    @LuckyBird551 4 роки тому

    Interesting, is there a phyisical standard as well for things like temperature? Is there an international thermometer for it?

  • @MatthewCampbell765
    @MatthewCampbell765 7 років тому +5

    My suggestion:
    We know exactly how much a liter is, correct? One liter of distilled H2O (preferably without any strange isotopes of hydrogen or oxygen)=One Kilogram. Divide by 1000. Profit.

    • @techmage89
      @techmage89 7 років тому +4

      Matthew Campbell You'd need extremely pure water, extremely stable pressure and temperature, and extremely accurate volume measurement. Too many sources of error. The methods mentioned in this video are far easier to measure with precision.

    • @MM-sk8ir
      @MM-sk8ir 7 років тому +1

      How do you know that's one liter of water just as you don't know what's a kilogram of water

    • @Tsuyara
      @Tsuyara 7 років тому

      Water is simply less constant than this and i'd guess also more difficult to handle.
      A meter is actually defined by natural constants, and as a result a liter too.

    • @mike4ty4
      @mike4ty4 6 років тому

      Yes the liter is precisely defined but really if you want to make it an amount of substance, the better definition is the ball of silicon, with the number of _atoms_ made the correct definition. That could also be done for water, a certain number of water molecules to fill a liter, but it's easier I'd believe to make a precise silicon ball than a precise amount of water due to silicon being a hard and stable solid at ordinary conditions.

  • @ChristopherPuzey
    @ChristopherPuzey 8 років тому +4

    But kilograms aren't weight...

    • @ShawnRavenfire
      @ShawnRavenfire 8 років тому +2

      Not by their strictest definitions, but as far as standardized units of measure are concerned, they are interchangeable.

    • @xanthopoulos1825
      @xanthopoulos1825 8 років тому

      They are a measurement of weight

    • @iabervon
      @iabervon 8 років тому +3

      No, they're a measurement of mass; the weight of a 1kg object is different depending on the local acceleration due to gravity, which varies by more than 1 part in 10^8 between places you'd like to make accurate measurements.

    • @insidetrip101
      @insidetrip101 8 років тому

      "No, they're a measurement of mass;"
      Part of the problem with our definition of the kilogram is that currently--while it is supposed to be a measurement of mass--is that it is inextricably tied to force (weight/gravitational pull).
      No matter how you slice it, the only way to actually measure "the kilogram" (the one in Paris) is by placing it on a scale and measuring the force that it and the Earth exert upon each other--which is done by seeing how far the scale is depressed (how hard "the kilogram" presses on the scale, which is to say force and not mass). The kilogram is currently based on weight, but "the kilogram's" mass and weight are one and the same because of how it is measured.
      So yes, the kilogram is supposed to be mass instead of weight, but unfortunately, we don't have a way to do that. When the kilogram was based on water, then it was much more easily distinguishable from weight, but that had problems that were more severe.

    • @iabervon
      @iabervon 8 років тому

      You could drop a box with a magnet through a horizontal magnetic field and see how different its deflection is when it contains the kilogram versus when it doesn't; that's unaffected by the local strength of gravity, so long as you calibrate it by timing how long the box spends in the magnetic field.
      You could also swing the kilogram around on a force gauge in a circle of a particular size with a particular period. You'll have to correct for
      gravity, but you can work out from the angle it swings at how much of
      the force you're measuring is centripetal acceleration times one
      kilogram.
      And, of course, a balance scale isn't affected by the local gravity so long as gravity is the same for both pans and there's enough gravity to keep the items in the pans. Since you're generally trying to verify that your lab's reference object has the same mass as "the kilogram", that's sufficient.

  • @607
    @607 8 років тому

    Interesting, I didn't know they were trying to find an absolute way of measuring it!

  • @Snout007
    @Snout007 8 років тому

    Love your content, Tom. As always.

  • @LReBe7
    @LReBe7 8 років тому +66

    That's not THE kilogram, THE kilogram is the one in Paris.

    • @MateusAntonioBittencourt
      @MateusAntonioBittencourt 8 років тому +161

      if you kept watching and didn't pause to comment, you would see he says right after "The British National Standard Kilogram"...
      Since he's on Britain, that's his Kilogram. The one all balances on Great Britain are measured against.
      He also says the International Prototype is on Paris...
      That's the magic of actually watching the video before commenting. You don't make yourself a fool.

    • @Morbos1000
      @Morbos1000 8 років тому +30

      Yes, he made a major point of saying this in the video.

    • @CaptainBuggyTheClown
      @CaptainBuggyTheClown 8 років тому

      ha! loser responding to a comment

    • @LReBe7
      @LReBe7 8 років тому +6

      Ah yes, but he did slip up in the beginning. (I actually did watch the entire video.) Let there be no confusion as to which is THE kilogram. There can only be one THE one, and that of Britain is not THE one. One musn't confuse a transfer standard for the real deal, e.g. one musn't confuse a Rubidium frequency standard for a Cesium frequency standard.

    • @telephonebear21
      @telephonebear21 6 років тому

      Just admit you didn't watch the full video and wanted some "AKCHUALLY" points

  • @litojonny
    @litojonny 8 років тому +32

    silly Brits and your metric system
    everybody knows that 12 oz= 1 pound= 3 feet = 1 yard

    • @tomdchi12
      @tomdchi12 8 років тому +21

      And it's interchangeable across units! Divide that by a hogshead and you get the furlong! Brilliant!

    • @Colopty
      @Colopty 8 років тому +10

      Actually the metric system was invented by the french.

    • @naota3k
      @naota3k 8 років тому +6

      1 pound equals 3 feet. God bless America. Also, 16 ounces in a pound m88!

    • @renardmigrant
      @renardmigrant 8 років тому

      It's not 'our' metric system any more than Fahrenheit is 'our' system.

    • @user-ii8dz4vu7n
      @user-ii8dz4vu7n 8 років тому +4

      Actually the current imperial measurement system is now based on the metric system because it's much more stable. Sad but true.

  • @alwinpriven2400
    @alwinpriven2400 8 років тому +1

    Veritasium made a video on the subject, but your's is also quite interesting.

  • @aidanwarren4980
    @aidanwarren4980 4 роки тому

    Tom needs to make a new video now that we HAVE figured out how much a kilogram is!

  • @MagnusSkiptonLLC
    @MagnusSkiptonLLC 6 років тому +2

    I wish we could switch to using Planck units, rather than the metric units, which are still arbitrary. We would have to multiply each by many orders of magnitude to get them into the human scale, but then all the usual physical constants that we have to learn would just be integer powers of ten:
    Mass unit = 10^7 * Planck Mass ~= 0.218 kg
    Time unit = 10^43 * Planck Time ~= 0.539 sec
    Length unit = 10^35 * Planck Length ~= 1.62 meters
    Then, say, the gravitational constant would just be exactly 10^-12, so all we would have to remember is "-12", instead of 6.674blahblahblahx10^-11.

    • @MagnusSkiptonLLC
      @MagnusSkiptonLLC 6 років тому

      It's actually surprisingly large: ~21.8 micrograms. Not all Planck units are incredibly tiny.

    • @Simon-nx1sc
      @Simon-nx1sc 6 років тому

      But then isn't the Planck system still kinda arbitrary,
      because we chose to calibrate it using decimal system?
      It would be much more practical for scientists indeed, but is it, in theory, less arbitrary than what we use today?

  • @MacDaddy635
    @MacDaddy635 8 років тому

    Veritasium did a great video on this topic. The CSIRO have taken great steps already.

  • @E1craZ4life
    @E1craZ4life 7 років тому

    Temperature is defined in terms of absolute zero and the triple point of water.
    Length is defined in terms of the speed of light.
    Time is defined in terms of atomic hyperfine transition.
    Mass will soon be defined in terms of Avogadro's constant or Planck's constant.

  • @sean3533
    @sean3533 4 роки тому

    A €2.5mm perfect kilogram sphere would be a dope desktop trinket.

  • @johnstreet797
    @johnstreet797 Рік тому +1

    Back in the day a "lid" was the amount of "dope" it took to fill an empty Campbell's" soup can up to the line where the "red" and "white" met on the label. Critically important then....

  • @ajbradley4617
    @ajbradley4617 8 років тому

    You remind me a lot of James May, except you're both interesting and very entertaining
    Nice one, sir

  • @bobthecannibal1
    @bobthecannibal1 8 років тому

    The watt balance requires more accurate resistor technology or continual adjustment: Our (The US) NIST (who holds the record for accuracy at 3.6x10^-8 relative accuracy) figured out that even resistors drift throughout the day. Still, it does seem to be the best-known method for defining a kilo.

  • @MultiSciGeek
    @MultiSciGeek 8 років тому

    Nice video, btw how did you make the subscribe thing at the end?

  • @eqlally1
    @eqlally1 7 років тому

    awesome video!

  • @travistrakka4815
    @travistrakka4815 Рік тому +2

    wow that sphere looks heavy, i wonder how much it weighs

  • @zarblitz
    @zarblitz 8 років тому

    Check out the Veritasium video on the silicon sphere as well, it's good.

  • @d0tz_
    @d0tz_ 8 років тому

    why can't thy use the water at 1C definition to compare with the prototype kilogram?