i dont see a lot of people pointing out how this boss is *clearly* depicted to look like a uterus and what the implications of that are. So much of Elden Ring is about birth and where life comes from. We know that one of the main things that differentiates the era of the erdtree from the eras before it was that during the time of the erdtree people are born from the erdtree whereas before that they would be born from mothers - and so seeing a boss that seems to be from that earlier culture depicted as a uterus seems like it should have heavy implications
The only reason I didn't want to touch on that is because I'm sure that at least will be something we can have a pretty diffinitive understanding of once we have some context.
The boss from the trailer is modelled after a traditional Chinese lion dance. Not dragon dance. A lion dance uses 2 people. The dragon dance uses more. I raise this because the fact that it's a lion feels significant given Serosh, the Omen lions, and the other lion symbolism we encounter in the main game. And there is also the constant recurrence of the number 2 that permeates the lore. So the fact that it's a lion dance and not a dragon dance feels deliberate.
I think that this will be a stronger common enemy in the dungeon that leads to the lion dancer boss. I also have a theory that this enemy and the lion dancer are not omens at all. But rather worship the crucible and omen kind. The enemy only has horns on its head which is covered by a mask so who’s saying the horns and hair are not also part of the mask. There are no horns anywhere else on its body. Also the lion dancer is similar with the horns seemingly being on the lion mask but not on the dancers underneath. You can make out the shape of a head covered in cloth on the lower figure if you pause at the right moment and there doesn’t seem to be any horns on his head just the lion they are puppeteering. Perhaps this is a culture that celebrates the crucible
The pose is also similar to not only Godwyns pose in death with his hands raised like that. But also Marika in the Erdtree. She is crucified and has her hands up in a similar way.
For me the most plausible thing is that this is a boss fight or a completely new type of enemy. It feels more omen than omens themselves, like a tribal king / prince / guardian with a voodoo golden mask (which resembles very well the wickerman crucible imagery). It reminds me of the dancer of the boreal valley from DS3. It would be cool if some dlc boss battles are inspired on tribal and ancient dances for their movesets, it also fits well with the ancient crucible imagery.
I reckon that's a dancers' pose, perhaps in the style of Tanitha, and we're about to experience our second boss 'fight' in the shape of a ceremonial crucible dance festival in the style of Radahn, and similar to the Lion Dance already depicted in the trailer.
I have no idea what it is, but I do think it might be a part the omen/lion symbology we’ve seen a lot of. We know the golden order likes to adopt/steal/incorporate different aspects (like the dragons). So my speculative guess is this could be an old culture/dynasty that had its symbology and heraldry taken by the golden order early in Marika’s reign/ascension and given to the Golden Lineage
I think the enemy could be the Formless Mother 'The Formless Mother, also referred to as the Mother of Truth,[1] is an Outer God[2] who was encountered by Mohg deep underground. She is known to crave wounds, and to bestow power upon accursed blood. Her body can be pierced using Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear, causing the weapon to become coated in Bloodflame, or an arm can be thrust into her body in order to scatter Bloodflame on the ground, using the incantation Bloodboon.'
Someone said in a video I watched said that it looks like a uterus, and yeah I see it. It can maybe be linked to the fact that everyone is immortal and sex and fertility is now unless in the Lands Between, but idk. That stuck with me because that’s a pretty interesting observation and has some implications to what this enemy design/pose is trying to convey.
Think same vid I saw, also mentioned the hair on the image is similar to Marika's = in her poses in game, her left - short hair length, on her right it's long. Same as in this new image. Vague but aligns.
I think the posturing is meant to be invocative of Godwyn, if only indirectly. I think the pose is actually emblematic of some kind of rune, just how Marika’s crucifiction pose represents her own rune, or Radagon’s T-pose is symbolic of the Erdtree. What rune/idea does this pose represent then? It’s simple; Life within Death. The posturing of the upper arms reflects the shape of Marika’s Rune of Life, while the downbent forearms evoke the Rune of Death. So why does this at least Omen-adjacent character take this posture? It has to do with its weapons. Practically speaking, it allows him leverage to swing these unusual implements, but it goes deeper than that. The design of his chakrams is very similar to the Black Knives in their black metal, wild and brutal design. I’d bet that these are infused with Destined Death, which considering he’s gonna be swinging those things two at a time, means that the burn effect from Destined Death is going to be even more egregious when we fight him. But, if we can get these weapons, then there’s a good chance its Ash of War is gonna be a top tier boss shredder
Not really a better theory than this was In the past .. is it??? It's interesting reading these theories after the dlc is out And we find out we were way off on everything Bc you can't speculate on things that are new to us Not even a clue on messmers existence Maybe the statues at the shades castle But then where's Melina??? If she's messmers younger sister I'm always thought it was godwyn And godwyn was miquellas original choice for consort He askes redahn after he fails at bringing godwyn back
I like the idea that it's a second phase of the lion dance, although I slightly disagree at it's Chinese lion dance as I always associate it with Japanese lion dance. As for the 3 Omens within it and we have to fight it at the same time, I think it's an interesting take. There is a yokai in Japanese folklore named Kamaitachi, including 3 yokais to explain why you get cut suddenly without a knife of sword. One of them is depicted holding a sickle. I'm fascinated with the womb theory as well and wonder how they can stitch the 2 concept together!
I don't think the new enemy reveal is a boss, nor technically new. The candlestick-wielding enemies in the first gameplay trailer look incredibly similar; they're also hunched over though not as dramatically, have similar skintone, bare feet, similar style and color of brown robe, long draping light-colored hair, omen horns, and distinct bracers. It looks like they purposely hid those enemies faces during the trailer, as they're facing away from the camera, or obscured by flame. I highly believe this guy is a variant of the candlestick-wielding enemies, with the possibility of being a miniboss, given the new chakram weapons.
I dont think its 2nd phase just judging by image color its clearly dark while lion boss is daylight,phases not really change environment in Elden ring only cases i can remember is Renala and Radagon 2nd phases but i guess we will see.
I think it could be an assassin of sorts perhaps or something because Miyazaki said they have a different culture where perhaps the crucible is more celebrated as shown by the omen lion boss with golden lightning, and the omens sleeping and their connection to the crucible maybe links them to where they pierce the veil and manifest in the nightmares
It’s for sure Marika, no omen horns on body, only the head, makes me think the horns are on the mask only. Punishment of some kind for treating her omen children with such “love”. The hair coming out the eye hole makes me feel it’s forced on. Her pose resembles the female reproductive organ, and marika had a lot of children in the name of empyrian succession. The clothes it’s wearing is almost identical to what she’s wearing in the erdtree.
Someone took the image shown in this video of that creature and turned the brightness up. The clothes that it is wearing look absolutely nothing like what Queen Marika has on. Marika wears a very thin silky black dress that has a slit in the chest and skirt. This creature is wearing a long thick robe that looks very similar to the fell omen cloak that Mohg wears. I honestly don’t understand how you think this is Marika at all.
I don't think the enemy is a second phase lion dance boss, but it should be connected to the omens in general. Can't personally speculate more till I at least see how we enter that new realm, though that being through dreams is the most plausible.
Probably just an elite enemy, like the omen or cemetary shades or something like that. Think you are right about the link between this being the evil spirit to the omen.
I have two theories about this boss. the more fleshed out one one is that I think she is some kind of omen matriarch. We don't really see any female or female presenting omens in the lands between, it would make sense if the golden order, or at least marika, decided to lock female omens away to prevent even the chance of omens reproducing. Like a comment on here mentioned, her pose is extremely reminiscent of a uterus, which would be an extremely important symbol for a group opposing the golden order, which completely undid the natural order. The gold mask could be worn in a form of mockery, claiming they are just as legitimate as marika and the golden order. My second theory is that this might be another kind of dancer we'll fight in the same area as the lion dancers. Not only is the pose symbolic, but it's not exactly an orthodox fighting stance. It also really reminds me of the dancer of the boreal valley and how she'd stray couched down during her fight. We'll see though, I really can't wait for this dlc!
Oooo Noice. Gives me Ancestral Follower vibes with the skin and hair color. That was my 1st impression and sure enough they do strive to grow antlers and those horns are right where antlers would be without any others at least across its torso.
I really like the enemies revealed so far. They have so much in common with the demigods and gods we know from the base game, but with just enough of that crucible flair to make Golden Order fundies cringe and pretend they dtont exist. Lion themed, uses golden lightning, giant omen feet and horns lol. That hairstyle on this creature has too much in common with Godwyn and Marika to be either not directly related, or a deliberate mockery taking the piss out of the GO. The pose of the creature being similar to Godwyn's corpse pose/his pose in the cutscene when he was attacked by assassins/Marika's imprisonment pose, and it also having a stab wound through its back seems like more mockery. If the land of shadows has to do with sleep as you suggest, it would be interesting to know why people dream of "nightmare" versions of their deities.
Something I gotta say this might be the second phase of the possible father of marika because of the robes the sword might be holding his body back from getting possessed by the spirit of the omen he has caused mass death and suffering for
GREAT video by the way! I'm thinking maybe, the new enemy, is a twisted version of a Omenkiller, like what can happen to Hunters in Bloodborne, if they get too blood-drunk! Possibly, a Omenkiller, enjoyed his "work" FAR too much, and was punished, to be the very thing he once hunted. Maybe, how much power the Crucible might have left, decided to curse this particular Omenkiller, hoping to set a example. Wouldn't THAT be interesting!
I think it's still possible to link Godwyn and the Crucible through his corpse's form. While he alone has ownership of the odd mermaid-like body it still follows the trends of the curses of Omen and Misbegotten. The Crucible represents all facets of bestial life as seen in those other than the Omen that stem from it such as the Crucible Knight wielding claw and feather and the Talismans adding hardy knots to the equation, representing wooden bark and possibly shells, as what is bark if not the shell to the tree's inner wood. The only things missing in the Crucible are insectoid and piscine features, features we see relating to Godwyn and Death Blight. There is the aforementioned mermaid tail but also how swarms of insects erupt in the completion of the Blight's corrupting effects. It's like, in the merging of Godwyn; death and the Erdtree's roots, those parts of the Crucible may have been absorbed into the new entity and become one with the putrescence.
So if they changed from the crucible to the Erd tree... there has to be some over lay. Like omens trying to gain her favor by dressing themselves in gold and hiding there face as to not appear so Omeny. However it would later change them physically more and more. Kinda like then trying to be acknowledged but all futile because the Crucible is old news. Gives it a bittersweet feeling souls games are known for. Least thats my theory. Every things ins Miyazakis (forgive my spelling) are made with respect say for Blood Starved Beast, and the Half alive dragon hanging my its claws in Darksouls. Tjis would be respectable. The omens trying their hardest to earn grace of the new order.
Is this the enemy we see in the story trailer, dead on the stairs, impaled by a bunch of spears, as Messmer's soldiers march past? And, if so, does it imply that there's more than one of this type of enemy?
Not only I'm intrigued by this theory, I'd suggest taking it a step further. It is undeniably depicted in the shape of the female reproductive system, which is interesting on it's own, but I stumbled upon Alfred Kubin's artpiece 'Every Night a Dream Visits Us / Jede Nacht besucht uns ein Traum' (1900-1903) which depicts a female creature with sharpened limbs, her arms in an eerily similar position and her head is covered. The artist is known as a pioneer of symbolism, expressionism and surrealism. In 2023 Richard Drehoff Jr. and the Durham Symphony Orchestra created an audio interpretation of said art, so it was brought to the surface once again in new light. It may be just a fleeting correlation or not even that, but interesting food for thought.
We said this ourselves in our initial breakdown, but upon further inspection it looks like that spray is much more likely dust and rock being kicked up.
@@square-table-gaming his brother's are both omen, it makes sense he could have omen connections and his dead soul carried those over into the land of shadows.
@@square-table-gaming I won’t be surprised, seems like a pretty logical conclusion. Miquella wanted to save Godwyn, the dlc is all about following in miquella’s footsteps. He wants you to save his soul which is trapped in the realm of shadows. The ghost at castle sol failed to swallow the sun and save godwyn so we know that was a goal of miquella and the golden epitaph says he wanted him to die a true death, so now we go to the realm of shadows to fight him directly. And both of Godwyn’s brothers are pure omen so his soul having omen traits makes sense. The dung eater has the heart of an omen but not the body so it’s possible others can have non physical omen traits. And the golden mask belonging to godwyn the golden is pretty on the nose.
2:20 also note - Godwyn’s body doesn’t have any crucible imagery. He doesn’t have horns or anything that makes a visual connection to the Crucible. Other than the fact that where he’s buried may have been the original location of the Crucible. But that’s unrelated and speculation on my part. Edit: final meta note: I don’t think FS would release an image on twitter of an important story boss without more fanfare
As far as being the thing in the egg, the skin tone is definitely off. A monstrous Miquella is an interesting idea. I don't think they'd show it to us this early but you could associate the chakrums with his rings of light
My zero evidence but enjoyable theory: This is Marika's omen sibling(might be another empyrean). The man on the picture from the first trailer is their father and the pregnant woman behind the man is their mother. Marika's hate for omen comes from her sibling and the rivalry between them.
This. Oh I dig this. It makes her reaction to Morgott and Mohg's birth even more tragic. They reminded her of her omen sister... and she couldn't bear to look at them.
Just looked up his video. He claims it could be a omen daughter of Marika which is super interesting but not necessarily the same thing I'm saying here. I'm claiming we're looking at potentially the original omen, the one that haunts the dreams of the omen in the lands between, also that there are more than one of them.
Yup! We get into it. Long story short we think it's more thematic than literal. Godwyn wasn't an omen and his body grew into something different from what you'd expect from the crucible.
The omen horns mean this character has some human ancestry. His skin and hair coloration remind me of the Onyx Lords. Maybe a half-human half-Onyx Lord omen?
It could be one of those crystal guys because It has a weapon that looks like the crystal ring weapons. And it could be godwyn because it has elbows. And it could be elden beast because godwyn has a fish bottom half. And it could be an omen just because it has horns and it could also be a member of the Golden order because it's robes and mask. It could also be a tree person because it's Golden wristbands. It could be an omen just because it has feet. None of these..no. okay then.
@@square-table-gamingthe missbegotten horns are similar too along with goats and the bull goat armor and crucible knights all I’m saying is it’s probably not anything important and it’s probably just a tarnished
Guys. Trust me its godwyn omg😏😉. All kidding aside. I believed that omen creature was once a human being slave or a test subject that was mutated in abomination way by someone or something. Probably that thing was the first mindless omen.
if St. Trina is Miquella, which almost all evidence points to the fact that they are the same person, then this doesn't make sense. Omens had existed far before Miquella was conceived.
@TarnishedProductions we can only tell with the dlc. I was just speculating about the purple on the horns. Plus st trina is identified with sleep, and nightmares come during sleep. Just to note, someone has suggested that miquella is older tha. What is suggested. Hence the term always youthful. Anyways, we shall see.
@@lashed1980 yes but we know that Miquella is the son of Marika and Radagon, and we also know that Marika had children with Godfrey before she had children with Radagon. Marika and Godfrey had two omen children, Morgott and Mohg. So we know they existed before Miquella.
i think its a godwyn off shoot, got the same feet as the lion dancer. i bet that's also a offshoot of godwyn, i bet as he's dead he's much more prominent in the land of shadow, the omen have been cursed by the dung eater, his main goal is to curse the golden order, seems he has beef with them, i bet its to do with the sun, sun is not a word in the in game message system, i dint think the game had a sun, thought the erdtree acted as one, but you can see a sun off in the distance at mt gelmir ranni goes into a deep slumber a few times don't see anyone mention that yet, she clearly linked even uses sleep magic on kale, wouldn't it be nuts if only half the doll inhabited as miquella gonna fill the other half, bit of a wild swing but its never been touched on why she half hanging out her doll body lol seems to me they are opposites in some way, she is 12am dead of night cold and distant and he 12pm high noon, radiant, warm and loved, just another wild thought lol seems like marika and the gloam eye queen opposite in a similar way
The most interesting part of this enemy imo is the fact that it only has Omen horns growing from it's head, rather than it's whole body. AFAIK, the only Omen who share this quality are Mohg and Morgott. There are also those Omen in the trailer with the chandelier lamps.
While i love the theory of this creature being the Omens Nightmare, i believe something more dark, more morbid, more evil. What if this isnt just an omen? But The First Omen, if this is the land of dreams accessed by a sleeping Mikala, would he remember the first omen? Or rather, would it be enough of a memory we finally see it ourselves?
isn't it already confirmed that the land of shadows is a physical realm that exists in the same time period that the main game exists in? i dont think it is Miquella's dream realm
Harsh but yeah, that was my takeaway when this was announced, it was going to be a mini boss at most. Even though they don't get their own named health bar they definitely fight like a mini boss.
i dont see a lot of people pointing out how this boss is *clearly* depicted to look like a uterus and what the implications of that are. So much of Elden Ring is about birth and where life comes from. We know that one of the main things that differentiates the era of the erdtree from the eras before it was that during the time of the erdtree people are born from the erdtree whereas before that they would be born from mothers - and so seeing a boss that seems to be from that earlier culture depicted as a uterus seems like it should have heavy implications
The only reason I didn't want to touch on that is because I'm sure that at least will be something we can have a pretty diffinitive understanding of once we have some context.
Actually I did see a UA-cam the other day make an entire video based around this point.
Could represent Erdtree birth, Marika or even Daedicar
~Who knows which womb to assume to whom~
Mogh's bloody momma.
I just seen one video saying it’s Marika
The boss from the trailer is modelled after a traditional Chinese lion dance. Not dragon dance. A lion dance uses 2 people. The dragon dance uses more. I raise this because the fact that it's a lion feels significant given Serosh, the Omen lions, and the other lion symbolism we encounter in the main game. And there is also the constant recurrence of the number 2 that permeates the lore. So the fact that it's a lion dance and not a dragon dance feels deliberate.
I did see a few lore tubers notice a potential third body under it
Perfumer: "its ok, the omen sleep paralysis demon isn't real it cant hurt you"
*the omen sleep paralysis demon* @/\😈/\@
I think that this will be a stronger common enemy in the dungeon that leads to the lion dancer boss. I also have a theory that this enemy and the lion dancer are not omens at all. But rather worship the crucible and omen kind. The enemy only has horns on its head which is covered by a mask so who’s saying the horns and hair are not also part of the mask. There are no horns anywhere else on its body. Also the lion dancer is similar with the horns seemingly being on the lion mask but not on the dancers underneath. You can make out the shape of a head covered in cloth on the lower figure if you pause at the right moment and there doesn’t seem to be any horns on his head just the lion they are puppeteering. Perhaps this is a culture that celebrates the crucible
Also it’s weird posture could be because the horns are to heavy on it’s head so it’s incredibly hunched over barely being able to stand upright
Dude this comment aged like fine French wine cause that’s EXACTLY where this curseblade was placed right before the lion battle. Good job
The pose is also similar to not only Godwyns pose in death with his hands raised like that. But also Marika in the Erdtree. She is crucified and has her hands up in a similar way.
For me the most plausible thing is that this is a boss fight or a completely new type of enemy.
It feels more omen than omens themselves, like a tribal king / prince / guardian with a voodoo golden mask (which resembles very well the wickerman crucible imagery). It reminds me of the dancer of the boreal valley from DS3. It would be cool if some dlc boss battles are inspired on tribal and ancient dances for their movesets, it also fits well with the ancient crucible imagery.
Marikas hair has always been shown as half long and half shorter, just like that but braided. Curious.
I reckon that's a dancers' pose, perhaps in the style of Tanitha, and we're about to experience our second boss 'fight' in the shape of a ceremonial crucible dance festival in the style of Radahn, and similar to the Lion Dance already depicted in the trailer.
The mask and hair gives me a twisted omen version of the tree guardians vibe
I have no idea what it is, but I do think it might be a part the omen/lion symbology we’ve seen a lot of.
We know the golden order likes to adopt/steal/incorporate different aspects (like the dragons).
So my speculative guess is this could be an old culture/dynasty that had its symbology and heraldry taken by the golden order early in Marika’s reign/ascension and given to the Golden Lineage
1:43 I am “and others” haha
Appreciate you being a brief splash of cold water - sometimes the community can get a little overexcited haha.
I think the enemy could be the Formless Mother 'The Formless Mother, also referred to as the Mother of Truth,[1] is an Outer God[2] who was encountered by Mohg deep underground. She is known to crave wounds, and to bestow power upon accursed blood. Her body can be pierced using Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear, causing the weapon to become coated in Bloodflame, or an arm can be thrust into her body in order to scatter Bloodflame on the ground, using the incantation Bloodboon.'
The omen skin trio 😭
Someone said in a video I watched said that it looks like a uterus, and yeah I see it. It can maybe be linked to the fact that everyone is immortal and sex and fertility is now unless in the Lands Between, but idk. That stuck with me because that’s a pretty interesting observation and has some implications to what this enemy design/pose is trying to convey.
Oh yeah it’s 100% evoking uterus imagery
Think same vid I saw, also mentioned the hair on the image is similar to Marika's = in her poses in game, her left - short hair length, on her right it's long. Same as in this new image. Vague but aligns.
@@wolfiemuse Yeah that too, links to Marika 🤔
I think the posturing is meant to be invocative of Godwyn, if only indirectly. I think the pose is actually emblematic of some kind of rune, just how Marika’s crucifiction pose represents her own rune, or Radagon’s T-pose is symbolic of the Erdtree.
What rune/idea does this pose represent then? It’s simple; Life within Death. The posturing of the upper arms reflects the shape of Marika’s Rune of Life, while the downbent forearms evoke the Rune of Death.
So why does this at least Omen-adjacent character take this posture? It has to do with its weapons. Practically speaking, it allows him leverage to swing these unusual implements, but it goes deeper than that. The design of his chakrams is very similar to the Black Knives in their black metal, wild and brutal design. I’d bet that these are infused with Destined Death, which considering he’s gonna be swinging those things two at a time, means that the burn effect from Destined Death is going to be even more egregious when we fight him. But, if we can get these weapons, then there’s a good chance its Ash of War is gonna be a top tier boss shredder
My crackpot theory is that the shadow tree is Miquella’s second Haligtree
Not really a better theory than this was In the past .. is it???
It's interesting reading these theories after the dlc is out
And we find out we were way off on everything
Bc you can't speculate on things that are new to us
Not even a clue on messmers existence
Maybe the statues at the shades castle
But then where's Melina??? If she's messmers younger sister
I'm always thought it was godwyn
And godwyn was miquellas original choice for consort
He askes redahn after he fails at bringing godwyn back
I like the idea that it's a second phase of the lion dance, although I slightly disagree at it's Chinese lion dance as I always associate it with Japanese lion dance. As for the 3 Omens within it and we have to fight it at the same time, I think it's an interesting take. There is a yokai in Japanese folklore named Kamaitachi, including 3 yokais to explain why you get cut suddenly without a knife of sword. One of them is depicted holding a sickle. I'm fascinated with the womb theory as well and wonder how they can stitch the 2 concept together!
Idk why but my thoughts went to it being what's inside the egg in mohg's boss arena and the horns r cuz it's infected with the omen curse
I don't think the new enemy reveal is a boss, nor technically new.
The candlestick-wielding enemies in the first gameplay trailer look incredibly similar; they're also hunched over though not as dramatically, have similar skintone, bare feet, similar style and color of brown robe, long draping light-colored hair, omen horns, and distinct bracers. It looks like they purposely hid those enemies faces during the trailer, as they're facing away from the camera, or obscured by flame.
I highly believe this guy is a variant of the candlestick-wielding enemies, with the possibility of being a miniboss, given the new chakram weapons.
Thats a fucking Zamor Knight with a maraias mask and omen horns!???
It is definitely not the Marais mask, everything else, who knows haha
I dont think its 2nd phase just judging by image color its clearly dark while lion boss is daylight,phases not really change environment in Elden ring only cases i can remember is Renala and Radagon 2nd phases but i guess we will see.
I think it could be an assassin of sorts perhaps or something because Miyazaki said they have a different culture where perhaps the crucible is more celebrated as shown by the omen lion boss with golden lightning, and the omens sleeping and their connection to the crucible maybe links them to where they pierce the veil and manifest in the nightmares
It’s for sure Marika, no omen horns on body, only the head, makes me think the horns are on the mask only. Punishment of some kind for treating her omen children with such “love”. The hair coming out the eye hole makes me feel it’s forced on. Her pose resembles the female reproductive organ, and marika had a lot of children in the name of empyrian succession. The clothes it’s wearing is almost identical to what she’s wearing in the erdtree.
Someone took the image shown in this video of that creature and turned the brightness up. The clothes that it is wearing look absolutely nothing like what Queen Marika has on.
Marika wears a very thin silky black dress that has a slit in the chest and skirt.
This creature is wearing a long thick robe that looks very similar to the fell omen cloak that Mohg wears.
I honestly don’t understand how you think this is Marika at all.
People saying this guy is Godwyn have NO IDEA what they're talking about...
I don't think the enemy is a second phase lion dance boss, but it should be connected to the omens in general. Can't personally speculate more till I at least see how we enter that new realm, though that being through dreams is the most plausible.
Probably just an elite enemy, like the omen or cemetary shades or something like that. Think you are right about the link between this being the evil spirit to the omen.
Novelty aside, I'm still more interested in the cemetery shades tbh
I have two theories about this boss. the more fleshed out one one is that I think she is some kind of omen matriarch. We don't really see any female or female presenting omens in the lands between, it would make sense if the golden order, or at least marika, decided to lock female omens away to prevent even the chance of omens reproducing. Like a comment on here mentioned, her pose is extremely reminiscent of a uterus, which would be an extremely important symbol for a group opposing the golden order, which completely undid the natural order. The gold mask could be worn in a form of mockery, claiming they are just as legitimate as marika and the golden order.
My second theory is that this might be another kind of dancer we'll fight in the same area as the lion dancers. Not only is the pose symbolic, but it's not exactly an orthodox fighting stance. It also really reminds me of the dancer of the boreal valley and how she'd stray couched down during her fight. We'll see though, I really can't wait for this dlc!
Oooo Noice. Gives me Ancestral Follower vibes with the skin and hair color. That was my 1st impression and sure enough they do strive to grow antlers and those horns are right where antlers would be without any others at least across its torso.
I really like the enemies revealed so far. They have so much in common with the demigods and gods we know from the base game, but with just enough of that crucible flair to make Golden Order fundies cringe and pretend they dtont exist. Lion themed, uses golden lightning, giant omen feet and horns lol.
That hairstyle on this creature has too much in common with Godwyn and Marika to be either not directly related, or a deliberate mockery taking the piss out of the GO. The pose of the creature being similar to Godwyn's corpse pose/his pose in the cutscene when he was attacked by assassins/Marika's imprisonment pose, and it also having a stab wound through its back seems like more mockery. If the land of shadows has to do with sleep as you suggest, it would be interesting to know why people dream of "nightmare" versions of their deities.
Something I gotta say this might be the second phase of the possible father of marika because of the robes the sword might be holding his body back from getting possessed by the spirit of the omen he has caused mass death and suffering for
GREAT video by the way! I'm thinking maybe, the new enemy, is a twisted version of a Omenkiller, like what can happen to Hunters in Bloodborne, if they get too blood-drunk! Possibly, a Omenkiller, enjoyed his "work" FAR too much, and was punished, to be the very thing he once hunted. Maybe, how much power the Crucible might have left, decided to curse this particular Omenkiller, hoping to set a example. Wouldn't THAT be interesting!
I think it's still possible to link Godwyn and the Crucible through his corpse's form. While he alone has ownership of the odd mermaid-like body it still follows the trends of the curses of Omen and Misbegotten. The Crucible represents all facets of bestial life as seen in those other than the Omen that stem from it such as the Crucible Knight wielding claw and feather and the Talismans adding hardy knots to the equation, representing wooden bark and possibly shells, as what is bark if not the shell to the tree's inner wood.
The only things missing in the Crucible are insectoid and piscine features, features we see relating to Godwyn and Death Blight. There is the aforementioned mermaid tail but also how swarms of insects erupt in the completion of the Blight's corrupting effects. It's like, in the merging of Godwyn; death and the Erdtree's roots, those parts of the Crucible may have been absorbed into the new entity and become one with the putrescence.
It was leaked that this one guards the way to the godskin trio bossfight.
What if it's not a boss and just a respawning enemy?
Was just thinking that! Well played!!
90% I bet is a boss
So if they changed from the crucible to the Erd tree... there has to be some over lay. Like omens trying to gain her favor by dressing themselves in gold and hiding there face as to not appear so Omeny. However it would later change them physically more and more. Kinda like then trying to be acknowledged but all futile because the Crucible is old news. Gives it a bittersweet feeling souls games are known for. Least thats my theory. Every things ins Miyazakis (forgive my spelling) are made with respect say for Blood Starved Beast, and the Half alive dragon hanging my its claws in Darksouls. Tjis would be respectable. The omens trying their hardest to earn grace of the new order.
Watch it be a mini boss
Anyway, I think it’s a dancer of sorts doing some interpretive dance thing-they might be playing a role.
Is this the enemy we see in the story trailer, dead on the stairs, impaled by a bunch of spears, as Messmer's soldiers march past? And, if so, does it imply that there's more than one of this type of enemy?
When i saw that mask my first thought was omen hunters
When I saw it in the thumbnail, first thing I thought of was a womb and fallopian tubes. It seems to have that shape.
That is absolutely intentional and I have a feeling the reasoning for why that is will come after the DLC drops.
It looks like a Marika knock off bowing to represent being hung
Gonna be the oddball optimist:
This is a new friend that will talk to us and make us smile, and share tea with us.
I have a sneaking suspicion that we will get a very sad encounter with Godwyn. He might even thank us for laying his body to rest.
Hoping!
Not only I'm intrigued by this theory, I'd suggest taking it a step further. It is undeniably depicted in the shape of the female reproductive system, which is interesting on it's own, but I stumbled upon Alfred Kubin's artpiece 'Every Night a Dream Visits Us / Jede Nacht besucht uns ein Traum' (1900-1903) which depicts a female creature with sharpened limbs, her arms in an eerily similar position and her head is covered. The artist is known as a pioneer of symbolism, expressionism and surrealism. In 2023 Richard Drehoff Jr. and the Durham Symphony Orchestra created an audio interpretation of said art, so it was brought to the surface once again in new light. It may be just a fleeting correlation or not even that, but interesting food for thought.
It’s a part of Marika or Marika’s mom.
I don't believe Omen can have non-omen children, hence the Dung Eater's plan to turn everyone into Omen, but that would be VERY interesting.
The lion is spewing what looks like deathbight so with there "connected".
We said this ourselves in our initial breakdown, but upon further inspection it looks like that spray is much more likely dust and rock being kicked up.
Issa goddamn dracula
That mask kinda looks like the Erd Tree guardian mask
You try to tell me that's not Godwyns soul trapped in the land of shadow and you're gonna need some hefty evidence.
I could say the same haha. Unless Godwyn somehow became an omen it makes no sense
@@square-table-gaming his brother's are both omen, it makes sense he could have omen connections and his dead soul carried those over into the land of shadows.
@@StuartDJSpence I'd be very surprised if his soul survived the night of black knives. Presumably his soul is destroyed, the same way Rannis body is.
Why would we need evidence to disprove a claim with no evidence?
@@square-table-gaming I won’t be surprised, seems like a pretty logical conclusion. Miquella wanted to save Godwyn, the dlc is all about following in miquella’s footsteps. He wants you to save his soul which is trapped in the realm of shadows. The ghost at castle sol failed to swallow the sun and save godwyn so we know that was a goal of miquella and the golden epitaph says he wanted him to die a true death, so now we go to the realm of shadows to fight him directly. And both of Godwyn’s brothers are pure omen so his soul having omen traits makes sense. The dung eater has the heart of an omen but not the body so it’s possible others can have non physical omen traits. And the golden mask belonging to godwyn the golden is pretty on the nose.
For me this boos looks like Omen Astel
Intetesting going back to this video now after the dlc released.
2:20 also note - Godwyn’s body doesn’t have any crucible imagery. He doesn’t have horns or anything that makes a visual connection to the Crucible. Other than the fact that where he’s buried may have been the original location of the Crucible. But that’s unrelated and speculation on my part.
Edit: final meta note: I don’t think FS would release an image on twitter of an important story boss without more fanfare
Nah, that is unveiled Marika
Anyone else notice that it looks like a bastardized caricature of Godwyn?
(Oh... he said it)
I think it’s Miquella after being tainted with Mohg’s blood.
I just want those Chakram 💀
It could be the thing in the egg that wakes up or even Miquella monster form. I duno
As far as being the thing in the egg, the skin tone is definitely off. A monstrous Miquella is an interesting idea. I don't think they'd show it to us this early but you could associate the chakrums with his rings of light
@@square-table-gaming ya was thinking maybe Miquella and his sister were born with issues cuz radagon gave away that rune to to his ex wife.
My zero evidence but enjoyable theory:
This is Marika's omen sibling(might be another empyrean). The man on the picture from the first trailer is their father and the pregnant woman behind the man is their mother. Marika's hate for omen comes from her sibling and the rivalry between them.
I like this!
This. Oh I dig this. It makes her reaction to Morgott and Mohg's birth even more tragic. They reminded her of her omen sister... and she couldn't bear to look at them.
Ngl the boss looks like a fish if you know what I mean
It’s definitely supposed to look like a uterus.
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In what context you mean??😭😭
I’ve seen it mentioned for sure… gameplus the alchemist
Just looked up his video. He claims it could be a omen daughter of Marika which is super interesting but not necessarily the same thing I'm saying here. I'm claiming we're looking at potentially the original omen, the one that haunts the dreams of the omen in the lands between, also that there are more than one of them.
I think he is the nightmare version of Godwin. The thing he feared he would become.
Love your videos! Keep it up my fellow tarnished
Haven't watched yet but im sure you have noticed this creature has a similar pose to godwyns body like its arms are held in the same position
Yup! We get into it. Long story short we think it's more thematic than literal. Godwyn wasn't an omen and his body grew into something different from what you'd expect from the crucible.
The omen horns mean this character has some human ancestry. His skin and hair coloration remind me of the Onyx Lords. Maybe a half-human half-Onyx Lord omen?
The dlc story trailer has dropped yesterday . Waiting for your interpretation and analysis of it , STG
Trying to get that out tomorrow! Having a 9-5 is not conducive to reaction content haha.
@@square-table-gaming just drop it whenever you are available and not working .
@@square-table-gaming I’m sure all of us fans are waiting
I disagree. I believe the spirits that haunt the omen are wraiths. The spirits that are spawned when using the Omen bairn tool.
I think that they are Merikas Failed Demigod Children who were born with no souls
Cantonese dancing lion, but yes i agree, the new boss might not be that related to the omens 🤔🤔
This theory is SO GOOD!!!
This is the real Soldier of Godrick. Prepare to die
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It could be one of those crystal guys because It has a weapon that looks like the crystal ring weapons. And it could be godwyn because it has elbows. And it could be elden beast because godwyn has a fish bottom half. And it could be an omen just because it has horns and it could also be a member of the Golden order because it's robes and mask. It could also be a tree person because it's Golden wristbands. It could be an omen just because it has feet. None of these..no. okay then.
I mean, no other living creature has omen horns besides omen, so omen is a safe bet hahaha
@@square-table-gamingthe missbegotten horns are similar too along with goats and the bull goat armor and crucible knights all I’m saying is it’s probably not anything important and it’s probably just a tarnished
The fact that this wasn’t even a boss it was a npc😭😭
Wheeeere?
@@ven5146 as soon as you get into the dlc you fight him
@@UnknowinglyKen you know i forgot where befor i already defeat this guy and is at the bunny gaol
Guys. Trust me its godwyn omg😏😉. All kidding aside. I believed that omen creature was once a human being slave or a test subject that was mutated in abomination way by someone or something. Probably that thing was the first mindless omen.
It's absolutely not haha
quick wit it
Let’s just talk about it
June 21st? o.o It's my birthday!
I mean are they just a female version of the omen?
I dont think we ever see any female omen
Uterus boss
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Why does so many creators say Chinese dragons when they’re lion dancers
Lack of knowledge mostly, I know better now
Was st trina responsible for the omens?
Going by the colour of the horns, purple, that's a big relation to St trina.
if St. Trina is Miquella, which almost all evidence points to the fact that they are the same person, then this doesn't make sense. Omens had existed far before Miquella was conceived.
@TarnishedProductions we can only tell with the dlc. I was just speculating about the purple on the horns.
Plus st trina is identified with sleep, and nightmares come during sleep.
Just to note, someone has suggested that miquella is older tha. What is suggested. Hence the term always youthful.
Anyways, we shall see.
@@lashed1980 yes but we know that Miquella is the son of Marika and Radagon, and we also know that Marika had children with Godfrey before she had children with Radagon. Marika and Godfrey had two omen children, Morgott and Mohg. So we know they existed before Miquella.
@TarnishedProductions I'm working under the assumption miquella and st trina are different people.
@@lashed1980 well, in that case, we shall see. there is a lot of evidence to suggest they are the same person, but nothing definitive.
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i think its a godwyn off shoot, got the same feet as the lion dancer. i bet that's also a offshoot of godwyn, i bet as he's dead he's much more prominent in the land of shadow, the omen have been cursed by the dung eater, his main goal is to curse the golden order, seems he has beef with them, i bet its to do with the sun, sun is not a word in the in game message system, i dint think the game had a sun, thought the erdtree acted as one, but you can see a sun off in the distance at mt gelmir
ranni goes into a deep slumber a few times don't see anyone mention that yet, she clearly linked even uses sleep magic on kale, wouldn't it be nuts if only half the doll inhabited as miquella gonna fill the other half, bit of a wild swing but its never been touched on why she half hanging out her doll body lol
seems to me they are opposites in some way, she is 12am dead of night cold and distant and he 12pm high noon, radiant, warm and loved, just another wild thought lol seems like marika and the gloam eye queen opposite in a similar way
Female omen.
The most interesting part of this enemy imo is the fact that it only has Omen horns growing from it's head, rather than it's whole body.
AFAIK, the only Omen who share this quality are Mohg and Morgott. There are also those Omen in the trailer with the chandelier lamps.
This is one of the reasons I believe it's an earlier form of omen
While i love the theory of this creature being the Omens Nightmare, i believe something more dark, more morbid, more evil. What if this isnt just an omen? But The First Omen, if this is the land of dreams accessed by a sleeping Mikala, would he remember the first omen? Or rather, would it be enough of a memory we finally see it ourselves?
Falls in line very nicely with the idea of them being the progenitor of the omen
isn't it already confirmed that the land of shadows is a physical realm that exists in the same time period that the main game exists in? i dont think it is Miquella's dream realm
So then what is it😂
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My opinion? The progenitor of the omen, one of their earliest forms
@@square-table-gaming Ahhhhhh.....Can't wait to see ..imagine if you managed to pin point exactly that!!!
Formless Mother maybe
It's literally just an enemy... I hope ppl feel stupid for thinking otherwise
Harsh but yeah, that was my takeaway when this was announced, it was going to be a mini boss at most. Even though they don't get their own named health bar they definitely fight like a mini boss.
@@square-table-gaming all the "it's Godwyn, guys!" 🤡 that was thrown around like sand on the beach
@@FlailvisceraBro what’s your Problem Nobody could Know that’s not a boss you acting like you knew ist all the time don’t fool yourself 🤡
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Just like we thought, regular enemy with a boss variant at the end of the gaol
I still don't think on around 8 to 10 new bosses, FromSoft would spoil one of them