@TheAwsomeManny oh na I agree with u, I just added that he was tired which is he wanted to end it quick. Minato at gull power could probably take on the 9 tails by himself
Bruh he literally stated why he did just before doing it, I’m starting to get convinced a lot of people watching these videos haven’t seen any Naruto related anything except for these videos. The answer is he wanted the Leaf to maintain not only the nine tails but its jinchuuriki. He essentially wanted to maintain the balance of the Great Nations.
Everyone who responded to you is wrong, he died because he wanted split the Chakra of the nine tails into 2 separate seals. Minato created another buuji with the reaper death seal, he wanted to make his son a jinjuriki but the 9 tails had too much Chakra for naruto. He could have used numerous other seals to seal the nine tails but he couldn't split karamas soul in 2 without the reaper death seals.
@@Virhtue I mean unless pain catches him lacking and snatches his soul he’ll be fine guess the same goes for Itachi’s Totsuka blade but other than that he wins
Itachi is the most suitable person to counter Minato as the Flying Raijin works by placing a seal over a kunai to be thrown and then teleporting to where the kunai was thrown. From the beginning we have always been shown Itachi training with the kunai and being so strong that he can throw the kunai and immediately after hit the same kunai thrown a second earlier with other kunai and hit all the targets and all this with his eyes closed. Kabuto himself in the battle against Nagato states "I thought that the greater field of vision provided by the rinnegan summons would be enough but Itachi is so good with the kunai that he manages to find a blind spot to use to hit the targets. He is actually too strong." To counter Itachi's flying Raijin it would be enough to do what he has always done, that is, deflect the thrown kunai. And this is a very probable scenario as the power of the flying Raijin itself also depends on the user's ability to throw the kunai as the weapon mainly used for it. Itachi, being certainly with evidence and statements the best in this, he would have no problem deflecting the kunai thrown by Minato. In some battles, Minato throws kunai scattered across the battlefield to create a favorable scenario for the use of the flying Raijin. To counter this, Itachi could use amaterasu to make the points where the kunai are stuck unusable. minato is not immune to genjutsu and tsukuyomi and if he were to do as in the fight against obito i.e. look his opponent in the eyes then it would be over for him. The only one who can fight without looking his opponent directly in the eyes is Guy, something Minato can't do. Furthermore, Itachi can create an illusion even just by touching you, so it's not just the look that matters. The same Itachi was stated to be the strongest person in the clan when he was still young without his mangekyo and so scaling above Fugaku Who was a rival to minato for the position of hokage. Then the Ems Sasuke being above Itachi is contradicted by the Kabuto fight where Itachi showed in every aspect better feats than Sasuke. He was protecting him the whole fight and guiding him in the fight. Than Itachi in the statement says that he recognize Sasuke as his equal but that could just mean that he doesn’t see him like the little brother to protect but instead as a skilled ninja like him like a status thing. It’s also stated that with ems, Sasuke techniques and eye techiniques surpassed his own brother. For the eye techinque is referring to basic sharingan an mangekyo genjutsu but not to tsukuyomi who’s stated to be the strongest genjutsu by zetsu then for techinques we have taijutsu and ninjutsu. So Sasuke surpasses Itachi only in there aspectes and not in speed, battle iq, intelligence, tsukuyomi ecc…And especcially by feats in the Kabuto fight itachi is shown superior in combat than ems Sasuke, Itachi was shown more faster, reacting better to kabuto’s attacks, protecing Sasuke, telling him what to do, and all of that while suppressing his power and while preparing all the stages for the activation of izanami.
And you explained all that while not consider the insane speed difference between Minato and itachi. We are talking about speed that only the fastest kage, six path levels Naruto, sasuke, and bijuu Obito and Madara can only keep up with. Also the lack of knowledge in your statement regarding Naruto lore truly shows when you bring up genjutsu thinking that was the checkmate without considering Minato has sage mode and sage mode disrupts the flow of chakra which explains why Sasuke is not using genjutsu on Naruto and he even tried it on Killer bee and we know what happened. Point is genjutsu won't work. Izanami takes time to be set and you act as if Minato would even give itachi the time to breath when we all know Minato very well knows how dangerous the Uchiha are considering he lived in the time where uchihas were about to revolt against konoha. Let that sink in.
And Minato can further amp that speed with sage mode and KCM. In a battle of attrition, Minato has higher chakra reserve as proven he can fight for days against an army and that is without him receiving the KCM yet so imagine we add the KCM. Itachi can go straight for susanoo and it would be useless since he is too slow to keep up with Minato. All Minato gotta do is wait till itachi runs out of chakra so the susanoo wears off and itachi is checkmate.
You might say Sasuke genjutsu on killer bee was because of the tailed beast chakra disrupting. Well, here's a more direct comparison, Madara can't use genjutsu on Hashirama because sage mode disrupts the chakra flow making genjutsu useless against him. I agree that itachi can be the best option against Minato for the Akatsuki but to say he can checkmate Minato with genjutsu is just straight blasphemy. Delusional.
@@JaydeeGeronimo-q7s tho its true Minato and Tobirama showed they were faster than an EMS sasuke equal to itachi,the problem is that was a KCM2 Minato.Hokage Minato is around that sage mode/KCM1 tier.
He was struggling to react to 6 tails of half. While Minato speed blitz the full thing. He had Gamabunta set on it, knock it down and let him eat his own Bijudama. Lol
Shinra tensei has a 5 second cooldown. Minato can easily react within split second based on his fight with Obito. The moment Pain uses his Shinra tensei, Minato simply throws another Kunai towards Pain, Pain is forced to dodge, Minato temports then boom Rasengan. Tendo dead.
Your comment is questionable even if he was “Inexperienced” he was fighting a fatigue Minato who was dealing with the nine tails while Kushina was giving birth via the seal.
@@Jsipki265 Minato did all of his fighting against Obito at full strength, & it was only his last teleportation of the nine-tails itself that ended up draining Minato's chakra At no point before that was he at all fatigued, & he did no fighting after that In fact, Minato's entire fight with the nine-tails was teleporting a bijuu bomb, summoning Gamabunta, teleporting the nine-tails, & then setting up a barrier to stop it escaping with the aid of Kushina's chains Everything after that was sealing the nine-tails Hiruzen & his squad did most of the fighting against Kurama while Minato was busy with a 14 year old Obito who retreated after being hit once & having good control over the nine-tails broken
@@sumandark8600 You’re being dishonest if actually read the manga he was beforehand controlling the seal of Kushina and he visibly strained. The entire sequence was him trying to reseal kurama not to kill him.
@@Jsipki265 Concentrating on a seal isn't the same as being fatigued to the point it affects your combat ability I never said Minato was at any point trying to kill Kurama I'm not being dishonest, you just don't have any reading comprehension by the sound of it
@@Virhtuehigh difficulty to minato only comes if he can’t space hop to his seals which was his strength and pretty op and he more then likely he knew hella Justus by the time he was hokage just his space hop was broken
@@Virhtue DEFINITELY high difficulty. I know you’re aware of how young and premature itachi was when minato died so of course he couldn’t be compared to him then. But pain coming into battle FRESHLY, unlike he did when he fought Naruto is extremely powerful. Minato himself even said obito teleportation jutsu surpasses both he and tobirama. However minato is more skillful and experienced than obito so it’s a no brainer that he’d always beat obito. Minatos skill will give him the edge to win against but that RAW POWER is definitely going to make it high difficult for him to win that battle.
@@WorkLiftAnime obito would CLAP itachi????🤣🤣 Yo don’t go overboard. Even if obito does best itachi, which I’m not too much doubting, it would be extremely difficult. And he’d say that hisself considering he did say that itachi could’ve defeated him from the grave if itachi knew more about him
Id like to see a Jonin tier list. Every named Jonin from each village(whether dead or alive, so including people like Pakura of the sand). But excluding anyone who became a Kage(except Kakashi, if you wanted to make an exception) or at least limiting them to their power as a Jonin. Who is the strongest Jonin? Who is the weakest? Do the other villages have Jonin even close to the leaf top tiers? Could be fun.
Crazy way of thinking about this is since the Nine Tails is equal to Perfect Susanoo at least full Nine Tails is, so basically a more prime Hiruzen said to the anbu “Hold up I’m about to go hold off the Perfect Susanoo real quick “ or even the Wood Golem since they’re also implied to be equal. That’s crazy!!
Minato in the one-shot used the rasengan in the "mental dimension" inside Kushina's mind/soul As such, it's impossible to use that as any accurate measure of how strong a 15 year old Minato's rasengan would be in the real world, as they operate under different rules
@@Virhtue It's obvious that the rules aren't the same Kurmam is able to construct himself out of bubbles Sasuke is able to pop those bubbles with ease Naruto despite having a limit on shadow clones while in sage mode (since exceeding that limit will negatively impact his chakra balance, making him toadify) is able to use a massive multi shadow clone barrage Dead people are able to leave chakra imprints in people's inner worlds to basically act as an extension of their souls long after they've passed Those dead people, whose actual souls are in the pure land, are still able to use jutsu that somehow physically affect the host of the inner world Kushina is able to make her chains emerge from Naruto, something never seen in the real world People's strength is shown to be greatly impacted by their emotions & will power
But Naruto real body was stationary so he could continuously collect sage chakra which helps with the amount of clones. And his chakra amount it self is freed up because he doesn’t have to suppress the nine tails anymore
@@juniorgagba1159 I'm aware. But neither of those are reasons why Naruto was limited in the number of clones he could use His clones were limited due to how it would throw off the balance of his sage mode, which would in turn make him begin to transform into a frog statue
@@sumandark8600 but if you don't have to surpress the 9tails anymore you have more chakra. With more chakra you need more sage chakra and more clones to throw off the balance (I assume). I deduct this from Naruto letting an kurama chakramode clone collect sage chakra in the last fight(against Sasuke) and the amount the clone collected would have turned any other version pre kcm Naruto into a frog. But you could have a point here He got the Ninetails pinned down with a rasenshuriken before he met his mother. And that rasenshuriken was the biggest up to that point (when expanded).
Itachi has 2 win cons. Amaterasu as well as tsukuyomi. As well as subtle genjutsu that doesn’t need eye contact. Add Kisame transformed state which it took a 7th gate guy who was literally kisames worst matchup I honestly think they have a chance at beating minato
Sage Naruto only surpassed his predecessors by way of being a perfect sage It's important to note that Naruto fought Pain with intel, support, began the fight in sage mode, was fighting a much weaker version of Pain thanks to Pain having used a chaotic shinra tensei, fought against multiple high level shinobi resulting in some bodies being destroyed, & yet Pain still defeated Naruto Naruto in his 6 tails state then put up a much better showing against Pain, but still lost. It was even implied that the 8 tails state would still have been sealed by chibaku tensei, Pain just needed to feed it more chakra Naruto then got his chakra completely replenished by Minato's vestige, letting him restart the fight in sage mode again, & even then only just managed to defeat Pain Meanwhile, Jiraiya lost due to a suprise attack, & fought 6 vs 1 for quite a while with only 1 arm, & while in the weaker of his 2 sage mode states. Plus Jiraiya wasn't going into his fight against Pain in peak condition, having already used some chakra infiltrating the Rain village, extracting information from villagers, using various summons, & having a short fight with Konan. Obviously he wasn't going into the fight on an empty tank or anything close to that, but it's worth being aware of Based on all the evidence, it's pretty clear that Naruto at this point had not surpassed Jiraiya in terms of anything like battlefield ability, & that likewise Naruto was weaker than Orochimaru
@@Virhtue I did, but I did write some of my comments ,this one included part way through the vid I might have been a bit presumptuous as a result My bad
Even if Itachi is basically a pacifist, that doesn't mean that he can't mobilize and adapt in an unnatural situation, especially if the confrontation is a serious one, he prefers most of the time to finish the fights as quickly as possible, that's why Itachi should never be underestimated. Itachi lived his whole life so that Sasuke could defeat him and become an Uchiha hero as well as a hero of the leaf. That, obviously, didn’t go as planned. However, it did allow Sasuke to grow and begin to start asking the right questions that would eventually lead him to becoming the man he (Itachi) wanted him to be. (Itachi was killed so that Sasuke could grow more powerful both as a character (to us in a real world moral sense) and as a Ninja. Itachi from the get go was extremely talented which more precisly means that Itachi just like Minato was pretty much an unique, authentic and especially unpredictable Shinobi which could exceed or overcome almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto himself) In my opinion No One in the series should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). That is why it is arguable/debatable that he probably could or could not defeat foes like Minato, Obito or Pain/Nagato. Itachi was also a prodigy from birth and he knew all sorts of tricks and he's definitely a troublesome fellow to encounter. In my opinion, they are both very versatile, unique, interesting and especially very unpredictable in their way of fighting style approach. If you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of Itachi's fights, you might discover that he's pretty much always able to outsmart anyone during a fight or a encounter, because of his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach. His way of thinking and his calmness, intelligence and battle IQ experience factor it's very authentic and underrated, his true potential remain still unknown, because he wasn't go all out against anyone during the series.🤷🏻♂️☯️ I don't understand how some of you guys even dare or can to underestimate Itachi like that, many of you guys forget that Itachi isn't just any ordinary shinobi either, he is still considered by a very wide range of Naruto connoisseurs to be a very unique and unpredictable character at the same time and no one should underestimate him as some of you guys currently do. ;/ ☯️🤷🏻♂️What you have to remember, is that even in his battle with Sasuke, he has been fighting to lose. Itachi has always attempted to avoid conflict at all costs. He has to maintain his cover as an Akatsuki member, so he has to make viable excuses to avoid battle. When he says that fighting Jiraiya would have serious consequences, we know that he has an innate desire not to fight anyone at all, let alone a hero of the leaf, and he was a spy protecting Konoha from shadows. He could have killed Kakashi with ease. Kakashi even states that Itachi could have killed him, and wondered why he didn't. Knowing this, it is easy to see the pieces that point to a picture of Itachi that is devastatingly powerful in combat. In his confrontation with Asuma and Kurenai when he enters Konoha, we see him send Kurenai flying a large distance with a simple kick. We also see him deflect chidori, and snap Sasuke's arm like a twig with a single hand. He also sends Sasuke flying clear down the hallway with another kick in this fight. He is obviously a powerful, versatile, unpredictable and underrated taijutsu user. We know that he can kill with a glance using Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, and become nearly invincible with his Susanoo. We see him use exploding clones, (it's his one of his unpredictability in his fighting way approach) powerful genjutsu not linked to his sharingan, ( with a single point of a one of his fingers) and making hand seals at insane speeds. He kicks the shit out of Kakashi and he barely moves. Tobi also tells us himself that Itachi could have killed him if it weren't for carefully guarded secrets. Orochimaru beats Tsunade and Jiraiya without the use of his arms. Granted, Jiraiya was drugged, but it's still the point. Orochimaru couldn't use seals at all. Itachi obliterated Orochimaru effortlessly. Itachi has been a step above from the beginning. In order for him to keep his cover in Akatsuki, he had to avoid conflict without arousing suspicion, and the best way to do that was to present himself as being much less powerful than he actually is. The one thing we have been able to see in detail, is his intelligence and unpredictability in his fighting way approach. Itachi has been shown to be able to plan events years in advance, to account for possible flaws in his plans with powerful contingencies, and to use every possibility to his advantage. Shikamaru plans a few hours in advance, and we label him a tactical genius. If that is the case, what does one even call Itachi? The only real flaws that Itachi possesses is a smaller chakra reserves, and his own morality which keeps him from gaining Eternal Mangekyo. But even the chakra is arguable. The techniques we see him use are enormously powerful, and would therefor have a huge chakra cost. I'm not going to say he is the most powerful character in the anime, but I am going to say he is definitely very very high on that list, and probably higher than most people seem to give him credit for. Lastly but not least, Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story.
No he definitely would have been older than 14, the boulder fell on him at 13, and then the fight between minato and obito happened at the end of minatos term as hokage (he had been hokage for 2-3 years) so he would have been closer to 17
Herculean is misspelled. Obito was closer to fourteen during the death-match. Most of the Akatsuki would collapse from just trying to maintain Kurama, so they are actually given a passive secondary boon of having someone else do behind the scenes. Incidentally this would also change the parameters of the match since they could try to stall out Minato instead, which was not an option for Obito. Hiruzen did not step down for power reasons, it was explicitly political. Itachi Shinden relates that he accepted IWagakure's armistice prematurely for the sake of sparing more shinobi lives, which was unpopular in the military, so as a concession he stepped down after the war's conclusion, electing Minato in his place (beating other candiuates like Orochimaru or Fugaku). Minato might have been relied on due to the fact he has Uzumaki sealing which Hiruzen may lack, as it is suggested in Part I he might have only learned the Shiki Fūjin after Minato's death, since he credits the jutsu to him. That is, since Hiruzen is also likely hesitant to let Kurama die like Minato, all he can do is suppress it whilst waiting for the sealer (Minato). Naruto did get a bit of forewarning from Obito's attack from behind via Kakashi. At other points in the battle, Obito is reacting to and getting the better of even Kurama Mode. Minato might be a bit older than fifteen if Minato Gaiden takes place during the Third Shinobi World War as the splash text suggests. They specifically noted it was a teleportation barrier. Others would not have teleported it away, they likely would have redirected it, since Minato was the master of time-space jutsu at that point. To be fair, Anko is unaware of how much stronger Orochimaru would have gotten since they last met, though it does seem like Minato is still superior still from Jiraiya's assertions. It seems like Kakashi was underestimating himself given he intercepts Sasuke's Chidori during the Gokage Kaidan and even has a brief scuffle with Sasuke in the anime before the Uchiha resorts to his super-fast Susanoo instead, though the point that Sasuke is above the Akatsuki still holds via him defeating Deidara, considered by Kisame to be a stronger member, and suggested by Pain to be superior to the Zombie Duo since he did not make note of their losses. Sasori was holding back even when trying to kill Sakura, since him using his fingers is an inferior method of controlling his puppets, and even with fingers at full speed Sakura only perceived his movements as a blur when he was clashing with Chiyo. Not that it invalidates the overall point, but I feel Sasori is perhaps not of the same caliber as the others. Obito attacking Konoha would lose him Sasuke and Itachi as assets, so he has a practical reason to follow Itachi's pact. As for Tsukuyomi, Obito has superior genjutsu to even Itachi, with it being more so compared to Madara's even beyond Sha no Sho by Kakashi and Gerotora/Jiraiya (in relation to the mastermind of Kurama's attack), so it is questionable it would work when even Sasuke broke out via the power of the Cursed Seal of Heaven (if one goes by Sha no Sho's assertion, and not the hypothesis Itachi let it happen). If Minato were hit by Tsukuyomi it is dubious if he could activate Hiraishin, whilst obviously inferior, Naruto's attempt to just pulse his chakra at all to break the genjutsu failed, and I imagine the Hiraishin would be even more difficult to do. Itachi's 30% clone was not really beating Kakashi. Kakashi got him right where he wanted him to let Naruto hit him with a Rasengan, but of course, Itachi likely let that happen, so not much to gleam from either side. I think it is more likely the Edo Tensei just undid the illness and damage to his eyes, which does have the same effect as reviving him slightly earlier (seemingly the same for Kimimaro, for example). Sasuke keeps up with Naruto later, so Sha no Sho's assertion of only Naruto seems dubious, but yes, does seem that Minato would have the edge over even Itachi. It is insinuated that Kakashi's Sharingan does not take up chakra until it is actually released by raising his hitai-ate. Danzō's arm guard might just block others from sensing he has Sharingan as to not give away his schemes. Pain suggests Konan might be able to have beaten Jiraiya (potentially if not for her mental affliction), but it is indeed too vague to say with certainty, lamentably. I imagine the tax from keeping Kurama summoned would be superior to whatever boost Obito would have gotten from a Zetsu infusion, assuming that is not just an art error, either. Not that I think Pain would realistically win, but perhaps should have addressed that even the weakest Path has the durability to withstand a Rasengan from Konohamaru (would likely circle back to the Kurama clash, but that itself has its contention as some believe the bijūdama would have just fizzled since it was in the middle of being formed).
I was watching this shit on my tv and came on my phone just to correct that shit😂it be pissing me off blud was 14 years old going toe to toe with the 4th Hokage yeah Minato won in the end against a 14 year old but he himself legitimately said whoever gets touched first wins the match
@@Chromeheartmeel bruh I had a discussion with virhtue in a TikTok comment section, bruh really believes and stands on the fact that he thinks obito was 17 when he’s clearly not
@@dirtydan5204Exactly Kakashi was 26 at the start of Naruto, and the attack obviously happened 12 years prior because it was on Naruto’s bday. And 26-12=14. 💀
Based on a comment below. Obito is 18. Kakashi graduated at 5. Obito at 9. They were on the same team so had to graduate together. Further support is Kakashi was a chuunin at 6 he passed the exam first time. Obito failed that time but he passed when he was 11. Which would have meant a year later when Kakashi was 7. If Kakashi was 14 during the 9 tails attack, he's stated to be 26 at the beginning of part 1. The 9 tails attack was 12 years prior, so he was 14 during that. That means Obito was 18 when he attacked the village
i saw the series since i was young, and i can tell u honestly, i dont think minato can beat any of the akatsuki dou teams. at best he will sacrifice his life to to make a draw with his hax seal jutsu.
@@kevingbergiste7372 Funnily enough, the amount of rain he stops from falling could actually be a jutsu output calc since clouds and rain are deceptively heavy.
Hurizen stepped down to end the 3 GNW it's almost stated it's the reason he did not want the fighting to continue...actually Danzo tried to prolong it to make Hurizen step down thinking he'd be next up
@@Virhtueyou use the anime variation in your own video didn't think it mattered. 😅 like in reference to the quote about Sasuke you say the Anime "clarified" Did it or did it contradict the Manga, in my example did it clarify a time we didn't have very much information about?
Noted that Jiraya gets always judged a little wrong by his Battle against Pain. Without any knowledge of the Rinnegan's workings, who else could have directly combated Nagato's Six Paths of Pain under the same circumstances? He took his time to figure out each of the Pain's skill- paths and discovered that they were controlled remotely while under attack by the almighty Nagato. If he had escaped later and fought pain again, the fight could have been different given he had then all the information about Pain. Of course, Nagato's use of serious killing intent could also add a new level to the fight against Jiraya. I just don't want people to underestimate Jirya. Compared to others, he may not have been the strongest at all possible feats, but his strength lies in his experience.
As a Kisame glazer it’s criminal how little you mentioned him. You essentially made a Itachi vs Minato video, but Itachi gets low to mid diffed if Kisame isn’t there to back him up.
@@espiritu_de_muerte itachi without kisame or the 9 tails could go either way Itachi with kisame or the 9 tails wins no debate itachi with both kisame and the 9 tails is just overkill.
Honestly, out of all the Naruto powerscalers, you are probably the best one. You are the most consistent with your statements The only real threat to Minato imo is Itachi and that's simply because of his intelligence. Minato and Itachi are the smartest shinobi in combat that we have seen so that would be a good match-up. Although Minato still stands on top
@@francisgomes9976 well the only way I could think of is IF he could get out of it's range in the real world would could cause it to stop working and that is a big IF.
@@francisgomes9976minatos reaction whether mental or physical are at the fastest of the verse I don’t know if it’s necessarily possible that Minato can “teleport” out of tsyukomi I do believe he can react to it just idk how kishimoto would write it if he had them fight
12:30 you can make the case Minato is talking like Hiruzen about orochimaru.He could assume Obito got stronger in the past 16 years.Also Minato said he didn’t know how to beat pain either. Also 23:14 man has 2 jackets on the black flames can’t kill him.
@@josephhamori574 lol Minato was looking right at Obitos eye thru out the whole fight. He has to cz he's a close range fighter. Plus rib cage Susanoo would be great counter to FTG and Rassingan combo.
@@francisgomes9976 Typical fanboy response lol. Just looking at itachis eyes doesn't isn't gonna get Minato caught in tsukuyomi theirs to many other factors to account like for in order for Itachi to use that incredibly lame technique his opponent has to be completely still or immobilized which minato wont be not.does Itachi have any shot of accomplishing on Minato lol. The second reason tsukuyomi requires a build up time to execute which minato would've killed Itachi 😭😭😭. And even if Minato couldn't see it coming minatos a sensory type ninja meaning that Itachi literally has no way to take him off guard. Susanne isn't.a good counter to flying thunder god 😂. Minato can teleport it to any location he wants and the story has already proven that the Susanoo and the user can be separated from each other by individuals other then the user lol.
I'm wondering, for you reuse scripts for different videos? I remember hearing the description about Anko saying Minato wouldn't lose to Oroschomaru in another video
No I never copy and paste but I write a lot and my rhetoric and style and what have you are pretty stapled so they flow similarly, sometimes I will revisit scripts for certain details of niche scenes but yeah…
I always said it and im so happy people are understanding what ive been debating for years, just him being significantly above the sannin then you have like tsunade being in relation to the raikage, tbh that really only means raikage is as fast as tsunade is monstrous and its not attested to who would win because i do think raikage would beat tsunade, the fact the difference between the 5 kage and sannin is not significant, meaning minato still being superior to the sannin 16 years after death without kcm mind you, spells what he would do to each village, like the sannin are insane in terms of combat, and this dude is just way above. Then the fact that he thought that obito was a bigger threat that pain who after destroying the village on a level oro wasn't able to, still had power to fight sage naruto twice and 4,5 and 6th tails while holding back for a second there, remember sage naruto>>sage jiraiya. Then to make it worse, minato was ahead of hiruzen who was 13 years younger than the hiruzen that fought and stalemated orochimaru and was considered strongest of the 5 kage, even if you say onoki and raikage were stronger than old hiruzen, they were definitely not stronger than the hiruzen that fought the ninetails, and minato was just stronger than all of that scaling, so him being superior to atleast most of the villages makes sense honestly only village i think is kind of able to hold their own is the cloud, just because they have the most consistently strong shinobis.
Gets destroyed by Pain Kage summit sasuke (no way to avoid amaterasu on susanok spam) Obito Itachi (fought obito/"madara" and the first thing he did was look in his eyes, not to mention tien ez one shot for itachi by setting the arena on fire amaterasu)
Bruh raikage was able to dodge amaterasu and minato was way faster than him so idk wtf you're on about also adult akatsuki obito(no rinnegan) gets cooked by kcm minato and pain was defeated by sage mode naruto and we all know minato also has sage mode +kcm so he's winning mid diff
@@AidenB1010 han and roshi did use Avatars 🤣😂 does Not make sense that minatos rasengan is bijuudama lvl when kakashi said to naruto He perfected the rasengan and He got greater AP then minato. He said this after naruto created the rasenshuriken. Minatos rasengan does Not evaporate someone, it did Not do it to obito as well
why is this even contentious?? he has 2 diff statements above them and beat up arguably their strongest member with better speed scaling then any of them😭
hes just a fanboy, minato is far stronger in the war arc with sage powers and kurama chakra, the base minato get stomped in 1v2 akatsuki battle. and 1v1 he cant beat pain/kisame/itachi.
Also I think you gotta put WAY MORE respect on Sasori. Not saying it would be a different outcome necessarily but you specifically add Orochimaru to make things fair but your break down doesn't go into combination attacks. For example Sasori has 2000 puppets that do get wiped but in the amount of time he does that can Kakuzu. Can't attempt to manipulate the ground making it easier for Hidan or Deidara to use C4. All while having to some what seriously engaging with Orochimaru bc just cuz he's strong doesn't mean he's gonna toss their salad. Like all of that going on, I think C4 could best Minato just bc he wouldn't be able to focus on Deidara or have any knowledge of what's to come bc Deidara created that himself. Bc if you have Minato win, which I actually think he could realistic blitz em all and mess up this plan. I think this is the closest he gets, and then if he can somehow sense the cloud of chakra, he could easily dip outta there
He has 1k puppets and I literally went into why combos won’t work. Tell me how these puppets have a speed faster than KCM2 Naruto to erect themselves and either attack or defend Sasori from Minato
@Virhtue, shout out to you for replying. But also I'm just saying you gave them other stuff a coordinating attack is more compelling... like we agree overall but exploring some group combo is way more plausible as realistically no one thinks any of the could hold Minato jock strap
When the data book says that the Raikage has a god-like speed "not inferior to the Yellow Flash" that is to say on par with, comparable to, and equal or close to that of at least at that point in time.
Ironically pain and konan would due the best due to their arsenals. Pain unironically has a good counter to flying raijin with the water sensing justu can instantaneously give away minatos position even if he were to tp behind a tree.
Prime hirizen vs pain (in Jirayas place), Jiraya vs night guy, team guy vs sasuke (all forms), tsunade vs gaara, and what if shukaku took over gaara, or what if gaara had control over shukaku
For Itachi and Minato it pretty much depends on where people think Itachi's speed and reaction scales, me personally I put Edo Itachi > Ems Sasuke (against Kabuto) and ~ Ems Sasuke (vs Jubito) and that puts Itachi on par mkcm (kcm1.5) Naruto who also should be Minatos level. The thing is Itachi's clones and susanoo are the biggest challenge for our Pikachu. For me its whoever gets lucky with the attack first
A 14 year old Itachi without using his MS was able to no dif Orochimaru We never see Itachi fight all out at any point in the series & he basically shows he's able to defeat the strongest version of Nagato we ever see Your discussion about Minato escaping Tsukuyomi makes no sense. Flying thunder god would teleport Minato, but it'd also teleport the chakra inside his system placing him under genjutsu & there'd still be a full line of interaction from Itachi to Minato regardless of how it affects space-time The only way to use it to escape would be to teleport out of range, but in reality Minato wouldn't be able to use any jutsu while under Tsukuyomi anyway, & even if he could, the accelerated time flow would mean he'd still experience multiple days at minimum of Tsukuyomi torture before it activated
No you don’t understand the chakra has a link that’s active so by entering a subspace it would be a beyond infinite distance for the chakra to cover, and I only said it’s a possibility
@@Virhtue FTG doesn't operate like Kamui though, there are no other planes of existence involved. Plus your explanation is basically just a wormhole, which operates by contacting space
Kisame is literally too tanky I don’t see how minato would be able to take him down. I see it being a drawn out battle but if u add itachi as well then GG cuz I don’t see how minato is winning.
Guys, Kishimoto wrote this dude to be the ultimate shinobi without any kekkei genkai or other special abilities. It is what it is. People who often criticize Minato's ability to beat certain opponents simply can't handle the fact that Minato can in fact no-diff their favorite character. It doesn't mean that Minato can throw a punch and obliterate high tier characters, which is what people often seem to think when they hear things like "Minato beats Pain" or "Minato beats Itachi". This is isn't DragonBall. Minato's raw power and speed in combination with his skillset are simply too lethal for almost all characters in the Naruto manga. Hell, the only ones shown to be able to even just land a hit on him are six paths level. That's how high Kishimoto seems to set the bar to beat this dude.
The same thing can be said about Itachi as well. Even if Itachi is basically a pacifist, that doesn't mean that he can't mobilize and adapt in an unnatural situation, especially if the confrontation is a serious one, he prefers most of the time to finish the fights as quickly as possible, that's why Itachi should never be underestimated. Itachi lived his whole life so that Sasuke could defeat him and become an Uchiha hero as well as a hero of the leaf. That, obviously, didn’t go as planned. However, it did allow Sasuke to grow and begin to start asking the right questions that would eventually lead him to becoming the man he (Itachi) wanted him to be. (Itachi was killed so that Sasuke could grow more powerful both as a character (to us in a real world moral sense) and as a Ninja. Itachi from the get go was extremely talented which more precisly means that Itachi just like Minato was pretty much an unique, authentic and especially unpredictable Shinobi which could exceed or overcome almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto himself) In my opinion No One in the series should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). That is why it is arguable/debatable that he probably could or could not defeat foes like Minato, Obito or Pain/Nagato. Itachi was also a prodigy from birth and he knew all sorts of tricks and he's definitely a troublesome fellow to encounter. In my opinion, they are both very versatile, unique, interesting and especially very unpredictable in their way of fighting style approach. If you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of Itachi's fights, you might discover that he's pretty much always able to outsmart anyone during a fight or a encounter, because of his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach. His way of thinking and his calmness, intelligence and battle IQ experience factor it's very authentic and underrated, his true potential remain still unknown, because he wasn't go all out against anyone during the series.🤷🏻♂️☯️ I don't understand how some of you guys even dare or can to underestimate Itachi like that, many of you guys forget that Itachi isn't just any ordinary shinobi either, he is still considered by a very wide range of Naruto connoisseurs to be a very unique and unpredictable character at the same time and no one should underestimate him as some of you guys currently do. ;/ ☯️🤷🏻♂️What you have to remember, is that even in his battle with Sasuke, he has been fighting to lose. Itachi has always attempted to avoid conflict at all costs. He has to maintain his cover as an Akatsuki member, so he has to make viable excuses to avoid battle. When he says that fighting Jiraiya would have serious consequences, we know that he has an innate desire not to fight anyone at all, let alone a hero of the leaf, and he was a spy protecting Konoha from shadows. He could have killed Kakashi with ease. Kakashi even states that Itachi could have killed him, and wondered why he didn't. Knowing this, it is easy to see the pieces that point to a picture of Itachi that is devastatingly powerful in combat. In his confrontation with Asuma and Kurenai when he enters Konoha, we see him send Kurenai flying a large distance with a simple kick. We also see him deflect chidori, and snap Sasuke's arm like a twig with a single hand. He also sends Sasuke flying clear down the hallway with another kick in this fight. He is obviously a powerful, versatile, unpredictable and underrated taijutsu user. We know that he can kill with a glance using Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, and become nearly invincible with his Susanoo. We see him use exploding clones, (it's his one of his unpredictability in his fighting way approach) powerful genjutsu not linked to his sharingan, ( with a single point of a one of his fingers) and making hand seals at insane speeds. He kicks the shit out of Kakashi and he barely moves. Tobi also tells us himself that Itachi could have killed him if it weren't for carefully guarded secrets. Orochimaru beats Tsunade and Jiraiya without the use of his arms. Granted, Jiraiya was drugged, but it's still the point. Orochimaru couldn't use seals at all. Itachi obliterated Orochimaru effortlessly. Itachi has been a step above from the beginning. In order for him to keep his cover in Akatsuki, he had to avoid conflict without arousing suspicion, and the best way to do that was to present himself as being much less powerful than he actually is. The one thing we have been able to see in detail, is his intelligence and unpredictability in his fighting way approach. Itachi has been shown to be able to plan events years in advance, to account for possible flaws in his plans with powerful contingencies, and to use every possibility to his advantage. Shikamaru plans a few hours in advance, and we label him a tactical genius. If that is the case, what does one even call Itachi? The only real flaws that Itachi possesses is a smaller chakra reserves, and his own morality which keeps him from gaining Eternal Mangekyo. But even the chakra is arguable. The techniques we see him use are enormously powerful, and would therefor have a huge chakra cost. I'm not going to say he is the most powerful character in the anime, but I am going to say he is definitely very very high on that list, and probably higher than most people seem to give him credit for. Lastly but not least, Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story.
I don't see how minato without prep like baruto beats all the pain paths and all the animal paths Like he's not the flash he's a fodder wannabe, how can he deal with all these people and summonings alone? Even with that lame teleporting move
@@DavidLucian Am gonna stop you in your first sentence. The same literally cannot be said for Itachi. Like I said, Kishimoto wrote Minato to be the ultimate shinobi without any kekkei genkai or other special abilities. Itachi however great he is, does in fact have a kekkei genkai. He and Minato are not the same. Look, Itachi is straight up awesome and strong as hell. But in a fight against Minato he just loses. That doesn't make Itachi any less of a fighter, Minato just happens to be a bad matchup for him due to his particular skillset.
@@coin4898 Then homie you need to read the manga again. Minato washes all Pain paths and it's not close whatsoever. The Pain paths are strong together but Minato is a bad matchup for them.
Damn that's ass Minato = 50% Rasenshuriken Naruto Sage Naruto Pain Arc > Minato Both of those stated in manga material + databook. You say those in the video and you're still capping, the yellow fly isn't that good 💀. If Fukasaku said Naruto surpassed Minato bcs Minato had to learn sage mode through him, then he damn is inferior of this Naruto version. 12:15 the fk you talking about, it's not a contradiction and he doesn't even say Naruto had to master Kurama to defeat him in that panel🤣 13:31 Spirit realm LMAO, that's so disingenuous 💀💀💀💀💀 16:00 We haven't seen the same fight, Kakashi got murked by Kakuzu at numerous occasions. Naruto can consider himself weaker than hebi sasuke while fighting Kakuzu, who cares bcs this Naruto lost the 1 on 1 with Kakuzu without the help of yamato + kakashi. For the perception blitz of this Naruto by Sasuke wich is absolutely not the same Naruto who faced Kakuzu. This Naruto trained ~ a week to create the RS and Kakashi stated he gained around ~ 20 years of experience/skill bcs of this training. That is not comparable at all. 16:16 That's so untrue 🤣🤣🤣. The only reason why Sakura passed Hiruko is thanks to chiyo controlling her movement or she would have died without breaking this puppet. 17:16 : Do you realise most of those low tiers like you say can counter that except Hidan tho. Just an AoE and the kunai aren't where Minato wanted them to be or would vanish by any explosion. I can see Minato winning easily vs Hidan and Deidara bcs... He would destroy Hidan in the first place, he won't let Deidara flying in his bird and most likely might kill him before he can. For Sasori, he'll destroy Hiruko easily, same for the 100 puppets but I wonder how he would deal with Iron sand wich can deny all of his kunai + use it as defense and bcs it's poisonous it would be tricky/dangerous for Minato + Sasori can fly. I can say alive Minato wins vs Sasori but not that easily as you mention. For Kakuzu he would react to each hearts attack, you made it clear and I agree but his strategic plan full kunaiing the battlefield is counter by the heart's AoE. How Minato reaches the flying hearts ? How would Minato pass through Kakuzu's diamond morph since it's stated in the databook it activate at the moment of impact ( kinda an automatism ) so kunai + rasengan = clueless. Minato does have lightning chakra nature but never stated or shown to be as good as a raikiri. Most likely Minato will just get out stamina or run away, the dude have 5 lives and he can get more chakra if he wants once he transforms. Plus, a weaker Kakuzu ( edo ) reacted + fought vs most of his shinobi alliance attributed including Darui who can tag combo with Ay v1 and react to Ay v2 speed vs MS Sasuke. So I personally don't see him being perception blitzed by Minato bcs of that. Most of his hearts destroyed are due to sneak attacks who bypass his diamond morph or when he didn't have it anymore. Raikiri from behind => ignore diamond morph and had it activated, Hidan's ritual ignores durability ( destroyed earth heart ) then RS + finishing blow with raikiri. All those attacks were from the back, anyway. I won't keep listening the rest lol This video is so much cap 😭😭😭
Well Minato knew "Madara" or whatever you wanna call him when you fought Minato would for sure be stronger by the time Naruto would be old enough to fight him, obviously even Teen Obito is a monster the War Arc version of Obito is obviously much stronger and Minato prolly assummed he would be much stronger by the time Naruto fought him. But I agree with basically everything you said, Minato is underrated greatly imo.
Do you think Pain, Itachi, or OM Obito individually could clear the rest of the Akatsuki, exluding themselves (i.e. Six Paths of Pain vs. Deidora, Hidan, Kakuzu, Kisame, Konan, Orochimaru, and Sasori, Itachi vs. Deidora, Hidan, Kakuzu, Kisame, Konan, Orochimaru, and Sasori, etc)
Bro itachi doesn’t solo a large group of people because of his chakra reserves it doesn’t matter how high his IQ is or how good his arsenal is the sheer fact that if he uses a tsukyomi and Amaterasu he’s already nerfing himself and his Susano’o is his trump card which comes out when he’s on his last leg doesn’t give him an edge when he’s getting jumped 😭 he’s too overrated in his alive form he’ll definitely do it as an edo but alive itachi doesn’t solo a group of high level ninjas I gotta see it to believe it 🤷♂️
People really don’t grasp that minato while fatigued from a day of maintaining kushinas seal went on to teleport a bijuu bomb, fight obito and then make the most complex seal we’ve ever seen and it only killed him because he was intentionally splitting the chakra so Naruto wouldn’t be overwhelmed which required the reaper. The whole point of that flashback isn’t to show minato’s maximum power as a shinobi but rather the deep love and faith for his son so much so that he’s willing to trade his life for his without a second thought.
I think in konaan's defence, she probably would have already activated her techniques before pulling up rather than pulling up THEN activating her jutsu that makes her super hard to kill. Does this change anything? probably not but hey if all things are equal does konan get years to prep because im pretty sure obito did... FORREST OF PAPER BOMBS GO!!!
Nobody: ..... Minato:.... SUPER RASEN TRIPLE BLACK ZERO VOID MEGA DIVIDED BY 3 THEN TRIPLE AGAIN ABYSSAL LIGHTNING THUNDER SHADOW YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD (WAIT WRONG SHOW) LEAF FLASHHHHHHHHHH!!!. Everybody: bruh the enemy left already Minato: ... Enemy: *dies*
The Minato's power section could've just been "He's THAT guy" and I still could would've gotten the memo The Akatsuki would follow the flee on sight order...If they could before Minato kills them.
@@Virhtue I was completely sure she said so when she fought Hidan and Kakuzu, but when I read the chapters again I couldn't find it. Maybe it's from a spanish version when I first read it.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek She could be on Killer Bee's lvl since they fought as an Edo Tensei, but she was faster then. Gyuki says that the Rinnegan enhance their powers, but he says that it's because of the shared vision.
Also, Naruto didn't do better with Pain. That's just false..Nagato literally fought the whole village and destroyed before bro got there. And Naruto had Intel. Naruto could have done ok, but to that point he'd never shown the battle IQ to really defeat a Pain level threat. Also bro had prep time. Idk I find it super disingenuous to Jiraiya situation
When did I say he did better the point was, despite doing well in their physical altercations, on the basis of Minato’s statement, Naruto would need far more power to fight an opponent Minato beat
@Virhtue what's your opinion on minato sealing the whole 9 tails with almost 0 Chakra? I'd say it could be argued he'd be the strongest hokaga minus naruto in a 1v1 because half the 9 tails plus naruto is stated to be relative to hashirama
Well, it seems that you don't know anything about Itachi's scaling, if you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of his encounters, you will find out that he was always one step above anyone else, he didn't go all out against anyone during the series, his potential remain unknown, Itachi it's in the same league as Minato boy, so stop underestimate a shinobi unpredictable such as Itachi. 1. (Tsukuyomi) The best trick a magician could pull off was one even the audience could not be aware of until the very last minute. Illusions are a weapon of choice for many ninjas in the Shinobi world. But no one could master it the way Itachi Uchiha had. Even without his Sharingan, Itachi could create illusions that seemed extremely life-like and real. True to his pacifist self, Itachi mainly uses Genjutsu in combat to neutralize his opponents without even raising a finger. When combined with the superior illusionary techniques of the Mangekyo Sharingan, Itachi gains the ultimate Genjutsu ability - Tsukuyomi. Via Tsukuyomi, Itachi can affect the enemy’s perception of time, torturing him for days in a make believe world while in the real world, it would just be a matter of seconds. While both Minato and Itachi have a superhuman battle sense and strategic mindset, Itachi has a severe advantage in this field. It is mainly because of his Sharingan. His Kekkei Genkai amplifies his analytical thinking in battle. Able to quickly find out the flaws in opponents’ plans and striking back at their weakest links with the least possible effort is somewhat of a forte of Itachi Uchiha. While Minato is just as proficient in this field, the Uchiha prodigy scores better also due to the fact that he blossomed at a very young age compared to even Minato. Itachi was 3 years younger to Minato when he passed the Chunin Exams. By the tender age of 7, his power levels were considered to be just as high as any Kage. Itachi’s quick reaction time is the stuff of legends. The technique of Kirin, considered to be the fastest lightning based Jutsu in existence, is arguably hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound itself. The only person who has proven to be quick enough to dodge it is Itachi Uchiha. From performing hand signs even Sasuke and Kakashi could not follow through with their Sharingan to countering Killer Bee’s eight sword style, Itachi’s superhuman reflexes are extraordinarily gifted, even by Uchiha standards. This gives him quite an edge against Minato, who likes attacking opponents from their blind spots. 🤷🏻♂️
3:03 are you saying that Hiruzen can take on pain? Just because he is confident doesn’t mean he can beat 9tails. Tendo pain can handle Hiruzen with ease, very bad comparison.
At certain points Naruto + half the 9 tails chakra is probs way stronger than the full 9 tails itself. 4 tails & 6 tails Naruto probs isn’t as bad as an anti-feat for Jiraiya, Oro & tendo Pain as it seems. The fact that Naruto only has half the 9 tails kinda messes with the scaling of the whole verse though 😤
@@Virhtue It was clear when the fight started he wasn’t strong enough to beat the thing.Minato’s a speedster not a power house.If he shot 2 more bombs minato would be burnt out of chakra,he’d have to call chief toad still,he’d need a barrier still as well.Also if kushina didn’t have her chains he wouldn’t be sealing anything.
😂 Funny enough because of konan only scaling above sasori I think minato has a better time against pain… Talk about an L teammate(but it’s not her fault she’s not in the “casually above sannin tier”) But like I always say Minato is going to be a major genjutsu victim He can EASILY break out of things like ephemeral if he focuses But the demonic shackles and Tsukuyomi would take him out more times than not And with kisame there for battlefield control his Ftg kunai would be almost useless under a mini ocean with thousands of sharks absorbing everyone’s chakra and giving it to kisame… Tsukuyomi is more of a spirit/mystic plane where itachi controls the 5 senses, Space and time.. and even the fundamental laws of reality FTG works by bypassing the fabric of space time and instantly appearing at another co-ordinate IN THE REAL PLANE not the Tsukuyomi plane No need for things like sussano as minato counters it’s attacks by escaping easily and trying to use guiding thunder within close proximity on yata or the sussano itself is BEGGING to get stabbed with totsuka So all in all unless minato by chance avoids itachi’s genjutsu Which is really not happening as it’s waaay faster than the flick of a wrist(minato still has to assess his opponents first anyways) But if he does, tags kisame and books it He can surprise attack at a later time.. but that’s the highest reaches of almost impossible 😂 Like itachi would have to be a retard to fall for that But yeah cool vid.,. Just some minor corrections on moveset compatibility as the scaling is id say 95% accurate
Good video. I thought it was interesting but the Minato scaling is very dubious. This definitely seems like a higher end wanked interpretation. A lot of the scaling lines you used are indirect and via statements that can be interpreted differently. And there was also a lot of charitability given to Minato’s feats and lore in general. For example, there’s no way to prove the 4th data book statement about the Raikage is in reference to Jonin Minato and there’s also no direct statements or feats that put Hokage Minato significantly above his Jonin counterpart. KCM1 is also the form most narratively implied to coincide with Minato’s speed as there are multiple chapter statements and statements by other characters likening KCM1 to Minato. I think the line for me is where you say Minato in base is at those KCM2 Naruto levels of speed. If that were really the case than I don’t know why KCM Minato wasn’t just blitzing everyone in the war as the KCM speed multiplier is insane taking a base Naruto likely weaker than base Sannin level to well over V2 Raikage who is a blitz tier above 5KS Sasuke in combat speed with 5KS Sasuke easily being greater than the Sannin. KCM Minato with the sage mode reaction amp should have easily been able to beat Obito/Jubito and Madara with sealing or a flying Raijin Kunai strike if he was really already at their level of speed pre amps.
I still say Minto 2nd strongest hokage only behind naruto... if he was able to fully realize his strength. Hashirama maybe takes him straight up without prep time
A whole lot of over explaining and unnecessary material being pulled from the manga instead of the fights being broken down. Swagkage truly was unrived when it came to breaking down what if fights in naruto
In the 23rd minute I feel like you hadn't actually given that much thought, instantaneous events like that or the description of the Tsukuyomi . You see if it lands while entering the portal but ends at the exit (which is a generous but not completely unfounded assumption) would have still given Itachi 30 or more years of hard "physical" and mental torture to dish out, years are far closer to no time passing at all then the time it would take a kunai to travel an inch moving dozens of times faster then lightning. It only takes the eyes. That all being said I'm fully aware that minato would likely have killed or be in position to kill Itachi before then.
I do feel minato is somewhat overrated. For one i dont think his rasengan always has the output the oneshot gave him. I really doubt obitonwould have been tsnking a biju bomb that hits him to the back.
Not trynna say minato not stronger than hiruzen cause I think he is but wasn’t the reason hiruzen stepped down as hokage because Danzo and the elders made him after he ended the war or am I tripping?
I like your videos but you don't spend enough time talking about what a character would do against another character's jutsu... you spend the whole video talking about feats instead of each character wild handle a certain situation
@@Virhtue I most definitely could but I think my opinion would be suffice. Arguing through text is extremely tedious and gets convoluted and doesnt get anywhere. I would have to state my disagreement than write out feats or anti feats and statements and I know dam well nobody got time to read a 300 word comment
Don't all thrse youtubers like wank minato, only ones I like are kinda this guy and six and swagkage But all 3 of em glaze minato so like where do I go from here ):
No, Minato isn't above Hiruzen or Prime Pt.1 Oro. Oro would've been Hokage over Minato if not for his evil deeds. And Oro maintains this feeling of superiority throughout. Minato should be close to EMS Sasuke and KCM1 Naruto. But the other Kage should be closer to EMS Madara or Alive 1 eye Madara in terms of combat and reaction speed. And Oro in base is above the Sannin tier Kabuto showed to be on against the Sannin Tsunade. As Sannin Tsunade and level is that of base Tsunade
This is a stomp honestly, Minato is just too fast, too strong and too intelligent. Starting from Itachi and Kisame would be when Minato needs to start trying. Should have made this fair and used Kid Minato LOL
Minato vs itachi, pain, obito, he kills itachi first than obito an ends all the pains. Or kills pain and itachi than proceeds to end obito or speed blitz them all at the same time
“I’m a tobirama fan” proceeds to absolutely glaze the everlasting hell out of minato every single video 😭
“Everlasting” is CRAZY 😂😂
Mega glaze bro goes with the highest interpretations possible
@@t2nexx561 why do you think Minato doesn’t beat kisame?
@@DatsLegitness lol When did I say that?
When have I ever said I’m a Tobirama fan? “I’ve read Naruto” proceeds to talk about why Kabuto could beat Obito because “the narrative”
Minato only died becuase he decides to seal the 9 tails into Naruto with the death seal for some reason
Not to mention he was tired af already @@TheAwsomeManny
@TheAwsomeManny oh na I agree with u, I just added that he was tired which is he wanted to end it quick. Minato at gull power could probably take on the 9 tails by himself
Bruh he literally stated why he did just before doing it, I’m starting to get convinced a lot of people watching these videos haven’t seen any Naruto related anything except for these videos. The answer is he wanted the Leaf to maintain not only the nine tails but its jinchuuriki. He essentially wanted to maintain the balance of the Great Nations.
Everyone who responded to you is wrong, he died because he wanted split the Chakra of the nine tails into 2 separate seals. Minato created another buuji with the reaper death seal, he wanted to make his son a jinjuriki but the 9 tails had too much Chakra for naruto. He could have used numerous other seals to seal the nine tails but he couldn't split karamas soul in 2 without the reaper death seals.
@@irvinmorales5641minato is stronger than the 9 tails
Minato clears, he was some kind of freak of nature he was simply above the Akatsuki
People will never understand how true this is!
@@Virhtue I mean unless pain catches him lacking and snatches his soul he’ll be fine guess the same goes for Itachi’s Totsuka blade but other than that he wins
no I see pain and konan and itachi and kisame beating him
@@TheAwsomeManny man if obito couldnt kamui him, the human path aint touching him fan
@@DivineXDiamond they do Not need to Touch him they can simply weare him out, ftg kosts much chakra, they only need to force him to Spam it
I’m calling Minato Hercules from now on
Let’s do it
Im on board.
Itachi is the most suitable person to counter Minato as the Flying Raijin works by placing a seal over a kunai to be thrown and then teleporting to where the kunai was thrown. From the beginning we have always been shown Itachi training with the kunai and being so strong that he can throw the kunai and immediately after hit the same kunai thrown a second earlier with other kunai and hit all the targets and all this with his eyes closed. Kabuto himself in the battle against Nagato states "I thought that the greater field of vision provided by the rinnegan summons would be enough but Itachi is so good with the kunai that he manages to find a blind spot to use to hit the targets. He is actually too strong." To counter Itachi's flying Raijin it would be enough to do what he has always done, that is, deflect the thrown kunai. And this is a very probable scenario as the power of the flying Raijin itself also depends on the user's ability to throw the kunai as the weapon mainly used for it. Itachi, being certainly with evidence and statements the best in this, he would have no problem deflecting the kunai thrown by Minato. In some battles, Minato throws kunai scattered across the battlefield to create a favorable scenario for the use of the flying Raijin. To counter this, Itachi could use amaterasu to make the points where the kunai are stuck unusable. minato is not immune to genjutsu and tsukuyomi and if he were to do as in the fight against obito i.e. look his opponent in the eyes then it would be over for him. The only one who can fight without looking his opponent directly in the eyes is Guy, something Minato can't do. Furthermore, Itachi can create an illusion even just by touching you, so it's not just the look that matters. The same Itachi was stated to be the strongest person in the clan when he was still young without his mangekyo and so scaling above Fugaku Who was a rival to minato for the position of hokage. Then the Ems Sasuke being above Itachi is contradicted by the Kabuto fight where Itachi showed in every aspect better feats than Sasuke. He was protecting him the whole fight and guiding him in the fight. Than Itachi in the statement says that he recognize Sasuke as his equal but that could just mean that he doesn’t see him like the little brother to protect but instead as a skilled ninja like him like a status thing. It’s also stated that with ems, Sasuke techniques and eye techiniques surpassed his own brother. For the eye techinque is referring to basic sharingan an mangekyo genjutsu but not to tsukuyomi who’s stated to be the strongest genjutsu by zetsu then for techinques we have taijutsu and ninjutsu. So Sasuke surpasses Itachi only in there aspectes and not in speed, battle iq, intelligence, tsukuyomi ecc…And especcially by feats in the Kabuto fight itachi is shown superior in combat than ems Sasuke, Itachi was shown more faster, reacting better to kabuto’s attacks, protecing Sasuke, telling him what to do, and all of that while suppressing his power and while preparing all the stages for the activation of izanami.
And you explained all that while not consider the insane speed difference between Minato and itachi. We are talking about speed that only the fastest kage, six path levels Naruto, sasuke, and bijuu Obito and Madara can only keep up with. Also the lack of knowledge in your statement regarding Naruto lore truly shows when you bring up genjutsu thinking that was the checkmate without considering Minato has sage mode and sage mode disrupts the flow of chakra which explains why Sasuke is not using genjutsu on Naruto and he even tried it on Killer bee and we know what happened. Point is genjutsu won't work. Izanami takes time to be set and you act as if Minato would even give itachi the time to breath when we all know Minato very well knows how dangerous the Uchiha are considering he lived in the time where uchihas were about to revolt against konoha. Let that sink in.
Put in guy as well in the speed level so you ain't got a word to say.
And Minato can further amp that speed with sage mode and KCM. In a battle of attrition, Minato has higher chakra reserve as proven he can fight for days against an army and that is without him receiving the KCM yet so imagine we add the KCM. Itachi can go straight for susanoo and it would be useless since he is too slow to keep up with Minato. All Minato gotta do is wait till itachi runs out of chakra so the susanoo wears off and itachi is checkmate.
You might say Sasuke genjutsu on killer bee was because of the tailed beast chakra disrupting. Well, here's a more direct comparison, Madara can't use genjutsu on Hashirama because sage mode disrupts the chakra flow making genjutsu useless against him. I agree that itachi can be the best option against Minato for the Akatsuki but to say he can checkmate Minato with genjutsu is just straight blasphemy. Delusional.
@@JaydeeGeronimo-q7s tho its true Minato and Tobirama showed they were faster than an EMS sasuke equal to itachi,the problem is that was a KCM2 Minato.Hokage Minato is around that sage mode/KCM1 tier.
All mighty push screws up Minato’s FTG flow.I don’t know why debate UA-camrs never mention how pain can easily manipulate Minato’s FTG by his rules.
Because he’s just to slow and weak to do anything to Minato honestly 😂😂😂 Minato scales levels above him it’s just what it is bro
He was struggling to react to 6 tails of half. While Minato speed blitz the full thing. He had Gamabunta set on it, knock it down and let him eat his own Bijudama. Lol
Maybe if he times it he cant stop Minato briefly, but if Minato EVER gets the mark onto Pain, then Push will basically be useless
Shinra tensei has a 5 second cooldown. Minato can easily react within split second based on his fight with Obito. The moment Pain uses his Shinra tensei, Minato simply throws another Kunai towards Pain, Pain is forced to dodge, Minato temports then boom Rasengan. Tendo dead.
@@gzzomega7661 pain is a powerful ninja stop with the down play.
Minato barely fought the nine-tails, & Obito was 14 & very inexperienced when he fought Minato
This video is very questionable
Your comment is questionable even if he was “Inexperienced” he was fighting a fatigue Minato who was dealing with the nine tails while Kushina was giving birth via the seal.
@@Jsipki265 Minato did all of his fighting against Obito at full strength, & it was only his last teleportation of the nine-tails itself that ended up draining Minato's chakra
At no point before that was he at all fatigued, & he did no fighting after that
In fact, Minato's entire fight with the nine-tails was teleporting a bijuu bomb, summoning Gamabunta, teleporting the nine-tails, & then setting up a barrier to stop it escaping with the aid of Kushina's chains
Everything after that was sealing the nine-tails
Hiruzen & his squad did most of the fighting against Kurama while Minato was busy with a 14 year old Obito who retreated after being hit once & having good control over the nine-tails broken
@@sumandark8600 You’re being dishonest if actually read the manga he was beforehand controlling the seal of Kushina and he visibly strained. The entire sequence was him trying to reseal kurama not to kill him.
@@Jsipki265 Concentrating on a seal isn't the same as being fatigued to the point it affects your combat ability
I never said Minato was at any point trying to kill Kurama
I'm not being dishonest, you just don't have any reading comprehension by the sound of it
This obito clapped the mist village, genjutsu’d kurama, and made Minato try. Definitely not inexperienced
Minato is washing them all, except Itachi & Pain. High difficulty for them… but everyone else is getting slapped. Lol
I wouldn’t even say high dif
@@Virhtuehigh difficulty to minato only comes if he can’t space hop to his seals which was his strength and pretty op and he more then likely he knew hella Justus by the time he was hokage just his space hop was broken
@@Virhtue DEFINITELY high difficulty. I know you’re aware of how young and premature itachi was when minato died so of course he couldn’t be compared to him then. But pain coming into battle FRESHLY, unlike he did when he fought Naruto is extremely powerful. Minato himself even said obito teleportation jutsu surpasses both he and tobirama. However minato is more skillful and experienced than obito so it’s a no brainer that he’d always beat obito. Minatos skill will give him the edge to win against but that RAW POWER is definitely going to make it high difficult for him to win that battle.
I would say he smacks Itachi…he is the only dude to make obito sweat during the entire series and obito will clap Itachi
@@WorkLiftAnime obito would CLAP itachi????🤣🤣 Yo don’t go overboard. Even if obito does best itachi, which I’m not too much doubting, it would be extremely difficult. And he’d say that hisself considering he did say that itachi could’ve defeated him from the grave if itachi knew more about him
Minato has what i call the “Vegito effect” basically, a character who’s so fucking busted that if he lived the story cannot happen until Boruto era
Id like to see a Jonin tier list. Every named Jonin from each village(whether dead or alive, so including people like Pakura of the sand). But excluding anyone who became a Kage(except Kakashi, if you wanted to make an exception) or at least limiting them to their power as a Jonin. Who is the strongest Jonin? Who is the weakest? Do the other villages have Jonin even close to the leaf top tiers?
Could be fun.
Crazy way of thinking about this is since the Nine Tails is equal to Perfect Susanoo at least full Nine Tails is, so basically a more prime Hiruzen said to the anbu “Hold up I’m about to go hold off the Perfect Susanoo real quick “ or even the Wood Golem since they’re also implied to be equal. That’s crazy!!
Minato in the one-shot used the rasengan in the "mental dimension" inside Kushina's mind/soul
As such, it's impossible to use that as any accurate measure of how strong a 15 year old Minato's rasengan would be in the real world, as they operate under different rules
Rules that are implied to be the same but your weaker as implied by killer bee
@@Virhtue It's obvious that the rules aren't the same
Kurmam is able to construct himself out of bubbles
Sasuke is able to pop those bubbles with ease
Naruto despite having a limit on shadow clones while in sage mode (since exceeding that limit will negatively impact his chakra balance, making him toadify) is able to use a massive multi shadow clone barrage
Dead people are able to leave chakra imprints in people's inner worlds to basically act as an extension of their souls long after they've passed
Those dead people, whose actual souls are in the pure land, are still able to use jutsu that somehow physically affect the host of the inner world
Kushina is able to make her chains emerge from Naruto, something never seen in the real world
People's strength is shown to be greatly impacted by their emotions & will power
But Naruto real body was stationary so he could continuously collect sage chakra which helps with the amount of clones. And his chakra amount it self is freed up because he doesn’t have to suppress the nine tails anymore
@@juniorgagba1159 I'm aware. But neither of those are reasons why Naruto was limited in the number of clones he could use
His clones were limited due to how it would throw off the balance of his sage mode, which would in turn make him begin to transform into a frog statue
@@sumandark8600 but if you don't have to surpress the 9tails anymore you have more chakra. With more chakra you need more sage chakra and more clones to throw off the balance (I assume). I deduct this from Naruto letting an kurama chakramode clone collect sage chakra in the last fight(against Sasuke) and the amount the clone collected would have turned any other version pre kcm Naruto into a frog. But you could have a point here He got the Ninetails pinned down with a rasenshuriken before he met his mother. And that rasenshuriken was the biggest up to that point (when expanded).
Itachi has 2 win cons. Amaterasu as well as tsukuyomi. As well as subtle genjutsu that doesn’t need eye contact. Add Kisame transformed state which it took a 7th gate guy who was literally kisames worst matchup I honestly think they have a chance at beating minato
Sage Naruto only surpassed his predecessors by way of being a perfect sage
It's important to note that Naruto fought Pain with intel, support, began the fight in sage mode, was fighting a much weaker version of Pain thanks to Pain having used a chaotic shinra tensei, fought against multiple high level shinobi resulting in some bodies being destroyed, & yet Pain still defeated Naruto
Naruto in his 6 tails state then put up a much better showing against Pain, but still lost. It was even implied that the 8 tails state would still have been sealed by chibaku tensei, Pain just needed to feed it more chakra
Naruto then got his chakra completely replenished by Minato's vestige, letting him restart the fight in sage mode again, & even then only just managed to defeat Pain
Meanwhile, Jiraiya lost due to a suprise attack, & fought 6 vs 1 for quite a while with only 1 arm, & while in the weaker of his 2 sage mode states. Plus Jiraiya wasn't going into his fight against Pain in peak condition, having already used some chakra infiltrating the Rain village, extracting information from villagers, using various summons, & having a short fight with Konan. Obviously he wasn't going into the fight on an empty tank or anything close to that, but it's worth being aware of
Based on all the evidence, it's pretty clear that Naruto at this point had not surpassed Jiraiya in terms of anything like battlefield ability, & that likewise Naruto was weaker than Orochimaru
My friend, did you listen to my entire point on this?!
@@Virhtue I did, but I did write some of my comments ,this one included part way through the vid
I might have been a bit presumptuous as a result
My bad
Gai Sensei hokage gauntlet! Never been done before, fresh opportunity with lots of great fights! 🔥💯
I can write it down!
@@talesthesalesman3106 Gai clears with eight gates. Naruto can’t regenerate limbs
@@TheAwsomeManny can 7 gates Gai beat these guys? Cause otherwise it's a draw
@@talesthesalesman3106 probably not but 8th gate stomps
@@TheAwsomeMannyHokage Naruto is washing Guy. Low Diff.
I'm gonna listen to this while I eat dinner, its gonna be so dope!
Love to hear it!
What you having?!
I think I was having lentils and rice lol.
Even if Itachi is basically a pacifist, that doesn't mean that he can't mobilize and adapt in an unnatural situation, especially if the confrontation is a serious one, he prefers most of the time to finish the fights as quickly as possible, that's why Itachi should never be underestimated. Itachi lived his whole life so that Sasuke could defeat him and become an Uchiha hero as well as a hero of the leaf. That, obviously, didn’t go as planned. However, it did allow Sasuke to grow and begin to start asking the right questions that would eventually lead him to becoming the man he (Itachi) wanted him to be. (Itachi was killed so that Sasuke could grow more powerful both as a character (to us in a real world moral sense) and as a Ninja. Itachi from the get go was extremely talented which more precisly means that Itachi just like Minato was pretty much an unique, authentic and especially unpredictable Shinobi which could exceed or overcome almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto himself) In my opinion No One in the series should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). That is why it is arguable/debatable that he probably could or could not defeat foes like Minato, Obito or Pain/Nagato. Itachi was also a prodigy from birth and he knew all sorts of tricks and he's definitely a troublesome fellow to encounter. In my opinion, they are both very versatile, unique, interesting and especially very unpredictable in their way of fighting style approach. If you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of Itachi's fights, you might discover that he's pretty much always able to outsmart anyone during a fight or a encounter, because of his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach. His way of thinking and his calmness, intelligence and battle IQ experience factor it's very authentic and underrated, his true potential remain still unknown, because he wasn't go all out against anyone during the series.🤷🏻♂️☯️ I don't understand how some of you guys even dare or can to underestimate Itachi like that, many of you guys forget that Itachi isn't just any ordinary shinobi either, he is still considered by a very wide range of Naruto connoisseurs to be a very unique and unpredictable character at the same time and no one should underestimate him as some of you guys currently do. ;/ ☯️🤷🏻♂️What you have to remember, is that even in his battle with Sasuke, he has been fighting to lose. Itachi has always attempted to avoid conflict at all costs. He has to maintain his cover as an Akatsuki member, so he has to make viable excuses to avoid battle. When he says that fighting Jiraiya would have serious consequences, we know that he has an innate desire not to fight anyone at all, let alone a hero of the leaf, and he was a spy protecting Konoha from shadows. He could have killed Kakashi with ease. Kakashi even states that Itachi could have killed him, and wondered why he didn't. Knowing this, it is easy to see the pieces that point to a picture of Itachi that is devastatingly powerful in combat. In his confrontation with Asuma and Kurenai when he enters Konoha, we see him send Kurenai flying a large distance with a simple kick. We also see him deflect chidori, and snap Sasuke's arm like a twig with a single hand. He also sends Sasuke flying clear down the hallway with another kick in this fight. He is obviously a powerful, versatile, unpredictable and underrated taijutsu user. We know that he can kill with a glance using Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, and become nearly invincible with his Susanoo. We see him use exploding clones, (it's his one of his unpredictability in his fighting way approach) powerful genjutsu not linked to his sharingan, ( with a single point of a one of his fingers) and making hand seals at insane speeds. He kicks the shit out of Kakashi and he barely moves. Tobi also tells us himself that Itachi could have killed him if it weren't for carefully guarded secrets. Orochimaru beats Tsunade and Jiraiya without the use of his arms. Granted, Jiraiya was drugged, but it's still the point. Orochimaru couldn't use seals at all. Itachi obliterated Orochimaru effortlessly. Itachi has been a step above from the beginning. In order for him to keep his cover in Akatsuki, he had to avoid conflict without arousing suspicion, and the best way to do that was to present himself as being much less powerful than he actually is. The one thing we have been able to see in detail, is his intelligence and unpredictability in his fighting way approach. Itachi has been shown to be able to plan events years in advance, to account for possible flaws in his plans with powerful contingencies, and to use every possibility to his advantage. Shikamaru plans a few hours in advance, and we label him a tactical genius. If that is the case, what does one even call Itachi? The only real flaws that Itachi possesses is a smaller chakra reserves, and his own morality which keeps him from gaining Eternal Mangekyo. But even the chakra is arguable. The techniques we see him use are enormously powerful, and would therefor have a huge chakra cost. I'm not going to say he is the most powerful character in the anime, but I am going to say he is definitely very very high on that list, and probably higher than most people seem to give him credit for. Lastly but not least, Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story.
Uhh obito was 14 not 17 tho?
We all now this except him lol
No he definitely would have been older than 14, the boulder fell on him at 13, and then the fight between minato and obito happened at the end of minatos term as hokage (he had been hokage for 2-3 years) so he would have been closer to 17
@@Totallysteveharvey sage perfectly explains how they shouldve been closer to 10 when obito dird. Not 13
Awesome vid. Made a vid on my theory on how he learned the FTG
Herculean is misspelled.
Obito was closer to fourteen during the death-match.
Most of the Akatsuki would collapse from just trying to maintain Kurama, so they are actually given a passive secondary boon of having someone else do behind the scenes. Incidentally this would also change the parameters of the match since they could try to stall out Minato instead, which was not an option for Obito.
Hiruzen did not step down for power reasons, it was explicitly political. Itachi Shinden relates that he accepted IWagakure's armistice prematurely for the sake of sparing more shinobi lives, which was unpopular in the military, so as a concession he stepped down after the war's conclusion, electing Minato in his place (beating other candiuates like Orochimaru or Fugaku).
Minato might have been relied on due to the fact he has Uzumaki sealing which Hiruzen may lack, as it is suggested in Part I he might have only learned the Shiki Fūjin after Minato's death, since he credits the jutsu to him. That is, since Hiruzen is also likely hesitant to let Kurama die like Minato, all he can do is suppress it whilst waiting for the sealer (Minato).
Naruto did get a bit of forewarning from Obito's attack from behind via Kakashi. At other points in the battle, Obito is reacting to and getting the better of even Kurama Mode.
Minato might be a bit older than fifteen if Minato Gaiden takes place during the Third Shinobi World War as the splash text suggests.
They specifically noted it was a teleportation barrier. Others would not have teleported it away, they likely would have redirected it, since Minato was the master of time-space jutsu at that point.
To be fair, Anko is unaware of how much stronger Orochimaru would have gotten since they last met, though it does seem like Minato is still superior still from Jiraiya's assertions.
It seems like Kakashi was underestimating himself given he intercepts Sasuke's Chidori during the Gokage Kaidan and even has a brief scuffle with Sasuke in the anime before the Uchiha resorts to his super-fast Susanoo instead, though the point that Sasuke is above the Akatsuki still holds via him defeating Deidara, considered by Kisame to be a stronger member, and suggested by Pain to be superior to the Zombie Duo since he did not make note of their losses.
Sasori was holding back even when trying to kill Sakura, since him using his fingers is an inferior method of controlling his puppets, and even with fingers at full speed Sakura only perceived his movements as a blur when he was clashing with Chiyo. Not that it invalidates the overall point, but I feel Sasori is perhaps not of the same caliber as the others.
Obito attacking Konoha would lose him Sasuke and Itachi as assets, so he has a practical reason to follow Itachi's pact. As for Tsukuyomi, Obito has superior genjutsu to even Itachi, with it being more so compared to Madara's even beyond Sha no Sho by Kakashi and Gerotora/Jiraiya (in relation to the mastermind of Kurama's attack), so it is questionable it would work when even Sasuke broke out via the power of the Cursed Seal of Heaven (if one goes by Sha no Sho's assertion, and not the hypothesis Itachi let it happen).
If Minato were hit by Tsukuyomi it is dubious if he could activate Hiraishin, whilst obviously inferior, Naruto's attempt to just pulse his chakra at all to break the genjutsu failed, and I imagine the Hiraishin would be even more difficult to do.
Itachi's 30% clone was not really beating Kakashi. Kakashi got him right where he wanted him to let Naruto hit him with a Rasengan, but of course, Itachi likely let that happen, so not much to gleam from either side.
I think it is more likely the Edo Tensei just undid the illness and damage to his eyes, which does have the same effect as reviving him slightly earlier (seemingly the same for Kimimaro, for example).
Sasuke keeps up with Naruto later, so Sha no Sho's assertion of only Naruto seems dubious, but yes, does seem that Minato would have the edge over even Itachi.
It is insinuated that Kakashi's Sharingan does not take up chakra until it is actually released by raising his hitai-ate. Danzō's arm guard might just block others from sensing he has Sharingan as to not give away his schemes.
Pain suggests Konan might be able to have beaten Jiraiya (potentially if not for her mental affliction), but it is indeed too vague to say with certainty, lamentably.
I imagine the tax from keeping Kurama summoned would be superior to whatever boost Obito would have gotten from a Zetsu infusion, assuming that is not just an art error, either.
Not that I think Pain would realistically win, but perhaps should have addressed that even the weakest Path has the durability to withstand a Rasengan from Konohamaru (would likely circle back to the Kurama clash, but that itself has its contention as some believe the bijūdama would have just fizzled since it was in the middle of being formed).
bro how many times do i have to tell you that obito was not 17
I was watching this shit on my tv and came on my phone just to correct that shit😂it be pissing me off blud was 14 years old going toe to toe with the 4th Hokage yeah Minato won in the end against a 14 year old but he himself legitimately said whoever gets touched first wins the match
@@Chromeheartmeel bruh I had a discussion with virhtue in a TikTok comment section, bruh really believes and stands on the fact that he thinks obito was 17 when he’s clearly not
@@dirtydan5204Exactly Kakashi was 26 at the start of Naruto, and the attack obviously happened 12 years prior because it was on Naruto’s bday. And 26-12=14. 💀
@@FinneyGames_BBGThat makes Obito 18. Obito is 4 years older than Kakashi
Based on a comment below. Obito is 18. Kakashi graduated at 5. Obito at 9. They were on the same team so had to graduate together.
Further support is Kakashi was a chuunin at 6 he passed the exam first time. Obito failed that time but he passed when he was 11. Which would have meant a year later when Kakashi was 7. If Kakashi was 14 during the 9 tails attack, he's stated to be 26 at the beginning of part 1. The 9 tails attack was 12 years prior, so he was 14 during that. That means Obito was 18 when he attacked the village
I am a Minato hater and even I acknowledge that nobody in the Akatsuki stands any chance against him, even as teams.
i saw the series since i was young, and i can tell u honestly, i dont think minato can beat any of the akatsuki dou teams. at best he will sacrifice his life to to make a draw with his hax seal jutsu.
@@dminusflamingo7168 minato gets shit diffed by itachi kisame , low-mid diff by pain konan, and the rest is debatable .
Hiruzen wrinkle scaling goes crazy
It’s getting ridiculous. Next is pain scaling based on the amount of raindrops when he makes it rain in the hidden rain
@@kevingbergiste7372 Funnily enough, the amount of rain he stops from falling could actually be a jutsu output calc since clouds and rain are deceptively heavy.
Hurizen stepped down to end the 3 GNW it's almost stated it's the reason he did not want the fighting to continue...actually Danzo tried to prolong it to make Hurizen step down thinking he'd be next up
This is only in anime filler and their is nothing in manga canon to support this, but rather support for the antithesis
@@Virhtueyou use the anime variation in your own video didn't think it mattered. 😅 like in reference to the quote about Sasuke you say the Anime "clarified" Did it or did it contradict the Manga, in my example did it clarify a time we didn't have very much information about?
Noted that Jiraya gets always judged a little wrong by his Battle against Pain.
Without any knowledge of the Rinnegan's workings, who else could have directly combated Nagato's Six Paths of Pain under the same circumstances? He took his time to figure out each of the Pain's skill- paths and discovered that they were controlled remotely while under attack by the almighty Nagato. If he had escaped later and fought pain again, the fight could have been different given he had then all the information about Pain. Of course, Nagato's use of serious killing intent could also add a new level to the fight against Jiraya. I just don't want people to underestimate Jirya. Compared to others, he may not have been the strongest at all possible feats, but his strength lies in his experience.
As a Kisame glazer it’s criminal how little you mentioned him. You essentially made a Itachi vs Minato video, but Itachi gets low to mid diffed if Kisame isn’t there to back him up.
Because’s Kisame’s nuance was exactly that support
wtf itachi destroys if he has the 9 tails wtf low to mid diffed. these minato glazers are insane.
@velcity4190 I feel their fight could go either way we can't say for sure who would win
@@espiritu_de_muerte itachi without kisame or the 9 tails could go either way
Itachi with kisame or the 9 tails wins no debate itachi with both kisame and the 9 tails is just overkill.
You should probably make a vid on Kabuto (Sage Mode) Vs Each Akatsuki Duo
I have that down already my friend
Thx
We can only imagine how powerful Minato would have been if he had a Dojutsu
Honestly, out of all the Naruto powerscalers, you are probably the best one. You are the most consistent with your statements
The only real threat to Minato imo is Itachi and that's simply because of his intelligence. Minato and Itachi are the smartest shinobi in combat that we have seen so that would be a good match-up. Although Minato still stands on top
Itachi controls space and time under his genjutsu.. i doubt minato can teleport
I don’t disagree
How Minato going to teleport out of Itachi's genjutsu? It's not a physical attacks. It all happens in the mind. ..
What the heck??
@@francisgomes9976 well the only way I could think of is IF he could get out of it's range in the real world would could cause it to stop working and that is a big IF.
@@francisgomes9976minatos reaction whether mental or physical are at the fastest of the verse I don’t know if it’s necessarily possible that Minato can “teleport” out of tsyukomi I do believe he can react to it just idk how kishimoto would write it if he had them fight
12:30 you can make the case Minato is talking like Hiruzen about orochimaru.He could assume Obito got stronger in the past 16 years.Also Minato said he didn’t know how to beat pain either.
Also 23:14 man has 2 jackets on the black flames can’t kill him.
This is insane. Minato could teleport out of Tshukiomi??
😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
Completely disregards that kakashi was conscious in the tsukuyomi because itachi wanted him to be.
@@kevingbergiste7372 this guy forgot that Tshukiomi is not an physical attack. Where you just use FTG and escape it.
Minato will never ever get hit by that because Itachi doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of executing it on him 😂😂😂😂
@@josephhamori574 lol Minato was looking right at Obitos eye thru out the whole fight. He has to cz he's a close range fighter.
Plus rib cage Susanoo would be great counter to FTG and Rassingan combo.
@@francisgomes9976 Typical fanboy response lol. Just looking at itachis eyes doesn't isn't gonna get Minato caught in tsukuyomi theirs to many other factors to account like for in order for Itachi to use that incredibly lame technique his opponent has to be completely still or immobilized which minato wont be not.does Itachi have any shot of accomplishing on Minato lol. The second reason tsukuyomi requires a build up time to execute which minato would've killed Itachi 😭😭😭. And even if Minato couldn't see it coming minatos a sensory type ninja meaning that Itachi literally has no way to take him off guard. Susanne isn't.a good counter to flying thunder god 😂. Minato can teleport it to any location he wants and the story has already proven that the Susanoo and the user can be separated from each other by individuals other then the user lol.
I'm wondering, for you reuse scripts for different videos? I remember hearing the description about Anko saying Minato wouldn't lose to Oroschomaru in another video
No I never copy and paste but I write a lot and my rhetoric and style and what have you are pretty stapled so they flow similarly, sometimes I will revisit scripts for certain details of niche scenes but yeah…
I always said it and im so happy people are understanding what ive been debating for years, just him being significantly above the sannin then you have like tsunade being in relation to the raikage, tbh that really only means raikage is as fast as tsunade is monstrous and its not attested to who would win because i do think raikage would beat tsunade, the fact the difference between the 5 kage and sannin is not significant, meaning minato still being superior to the sannin 16 years after death without kcm mind you, spells what he would do to each village, like the sannin are insane in terms of combat, and this dude is just way above. Then the fact that he thought that obito was a bigger threat that pain who after destroying the village on a level oro wasn't able to, still had power to fight sage naruto twice and 4,5 and 6th tails while holding back for a second there, remember sage naruto>>sage jiraiya. Then to make it worse, minato was ahead of hiruzen who was 13 years younger than the hiruzen that fought and stalemated orochimaru and was considered strongest of the 5 kage, even if you say onoki and raikage were stronger than old hiruzen, they were definitely not stronger than the hiruzen that fought the ninetails, and minato was just stronger than all of that scaling, so him being superior to atleast most of the villages makes sense honestly only village i think is kind of able to hold their own is the cloud, just because they have the most consistently strong shinobis.
Gets destroyed by
Pain
Kage summit sasuke (no way to avoid amaterasu on susanok spam)
Obito
Itachi (fought obito/"madara" and the first thing he did was look in his eyes, not to mention tien ez one shot for itachi by setting the arena on fire amaterasu)
Bruh raikage was able to dodge amaterasu and minato was way faster than him so idk wtf you're on about also adult akatsuki obito(no rinnegan) gets cooked by kcm minato and pain was defeated by sage mode naruto and we all know minato also has sage mode +kcm so he's winning mid diff
You highballed minato as allways, pain and konan succeed, kisame and itachi maybe too, minato one shot Not canon by the way
the one shot is objectively canon
@@AidenB1010 han and roshi did use Avatars 🤣😂 does Not make sense that minatos rasengan is bijuudama lvl when kakashi said to naruto He perfected the rasengan and He got greater AP then minato. He said this after naruto created the rasenshuriken. Minatos rasengan does Not evaporate someone, it did Not do it to obito as well
Are you kishimoto
@@PrinceAjaxson nope i did Not produce plotholes
@@iliebalica4012well why did you say the one shot isn't canon you're spreading false information
Minato fanboy
Then try to disprove me
I love the part were you roasted orochimaru 😂❤️
why is this even contentious?? he has 2 diff statements above them and beat up arguably their strongest member with better speed scaling then any of them😭
You went all out for Minato on this one lol
hes just a fanboy, minato is far stronger in the war arc with sage powers and kurama chakra, the base minato get stomped in 1v2 akatsuki battle. and 1v1 he cant beat pain/kisame/itachi.
Also I think you gotta put WAY MORE respect on Sasori. Not saying it would be a different outcome necessarily but you specifically add Orochimaru to make things fair but your break down doesn't go into combination attacks. For example Sasori has 2000 puppets that do get wiped but in the amount of time he does that can Kakuzu. Can't attempt to manipulate the ground making it easier for Hidan or Deidara to use C4. All while having to some what seriously engaging with Orochimaru bc just cuz he's strong doesn't mean he's gonna toss their salad. Like all of that going on, I think C4 could best Minato just bc he wouldn't be able to focus on Deidara or have any knowledge of what's to come bc Deidara created that himself. Bc if you have Minato win, which I actually think he could realistic blitz em all and mess up this plan. I think this is the closest he gets, and then if he can somehow sense the cloud of chakra, he could easily dip outta there
He has 1k puppets and I literally went into why combos won’t work. Tell me how these puppets have a speed faster than KCM2 Naruto to erect themselves and either attack or defend Sasori from Minato
@Virhtue, shout out to you for replying. But also I'm just saying you gave them other stuff a coordinating attack is more compelling... like we agree overall but exploring some group combo is way more plausible as realistically no one thinks any of the could hold Minato jock strap
But Kakuzu fought Hashirama 💀
Minato can't get through his raw durability 💀
Oh no…you’ve got me
Oh yeah?
Well kakuzu and his “raw” durability are getting *COOKED* today 😂
It's okay we may be glazing Minato but he is the goat so he deserves it 1000%
Im loving this minato hype man. My goat getting all the love he deserves ⚡️🙌
Question, what if Minato attacked the Susano from both sides?
Would the Yatamir be able to block both attacks at the same time?
Yes, if it’s a conventional attack
@@Virhtue it’s pretty funny imagining it stretch out like that lol.
BRUH I'VE REFRESHED THE YT PAGE 9 TIMES WHY DOES THIS VIDEO STAY AT THE TOP
No clue
When the data book says that the Raikage has a god-like speed "not inferior to the Yellow Flash" that is to say on par with, comparable to, and equal or close to that of at least at that point in time.
Not inferior to could even suggest better than. The Yellow Flash Minato that is.
No we literally saw him blitz the ay twice
Yeah, to Jonin Minato
And Ay literally says Minato is faster.
Ironically pain and konan would due the best due to their arsenals. Pain unironically has a good counter to flying raijin with the water sensing justu can instantaneously give away minatos position even if he were to tp behind a tree.
Prime hirizen vs pain (in Jirayas place), Jiraya vs night guy, team guy vs sasuke (all forms), tsunade vs gaara, and what if shukaku took over gaara, or what if gaara had control over shukaku
W topic. W takes. W content creator.
You already know
Is Hiruzen (9 Tails attack) Vs Itachi (prime) Who wins?
Hiruzen
Thx
itachi wins mate, not being bias.
For Itachi and Minato it pretty much depends on where people think Itachi's speed and reaction scales, me personally I put Edo Itachi > Ems Sasuke (against Kabuto) and ~ Ems Sasuke (vs Jubito) and that puts Itachi on par mkcm (kcm1.5) Naruto who also should be Minatos level. The thing is Itachi's clones and susanoo are the biggest challenge for our Pikachu. For me its whoever gets lucky with the attack first
A 14 year old Itachi without using his MS was able to no dif Orochimaru
We never see Itachi fight all out at any point in the series & he basically shows he's able to defeat the strongest version of Nagato we ever see
Your discussion about Minato escaping Tsukuyomi makes no sense. Flying thunder god would teleport Minato, but it'd also teleport the chakra inside his system placing him under genjutsu & there'd still be a full line of interaction from Itachi to Minato regardless of how it affects space-time
The only way to use it to escape would be to teleport out of range, but in reality Minato wouldn't be able to use any jutsu while under Tsukuyomi anyway, & even if he could, the accelerated time flow would mean he'd still experience multiple days at minimum of Tsukuyomi torture before it activated
No you don’t understand the chakra has a link that’s active so by entering a subspace it would be a beyond infinite distance for the chakra to cover, and I only said it’s a possibility
@@Virhtue FTG doesn't operate like Kamui though, there are no other planes of existence involved. Plus your explanation is basically just a wormhole, which operates by contacting space
Common Virhtue W video!
I'm glad you're a fan at least.
I dont know why, but i think only kisame can give minato a stalemate
Kisame is literally too tanky I don’t see how minato would be able to take him down. I see it being a drawn out battle but if u add itachi as well then GG cuz I don’t see how minato is winning.
lets be realistic this isnt 1v1 fight, its 2v1, and akatsuki memebers are S tier characters, Minato have 20% chance to beat the lowest team on 1v 2
Guys, Kishimoto wrote this dude to be the ultimate shinobi without any kekkei genkai or other special abilities. It is what it is. People who often criticize Minato's ability to beat certain opponents simply can't handle the fact that Minato can in fact no-diff their favorite character. It doesn't mean that Minato can throw a punch and obliterate high tier characters, which is what people often seem to think when they hear things like "Minato beats Pain" or "Minato beats Itachi". This is isn't DragonBall. Minato's raw power and speed in combination with his skillset are simply too lethal for almost all characters in the Naruto manga. Hell, the only ones shown to be able to even just land a hit on him are six paths level. That's how high Kishimoto seems to set the bar to beat this dude.
This is true!
The same thing can be said about Itachi as well. Even if Itachi is basically a pacifist, that doesn't mean that he can't mobilize and adapt in an unnatural situation, especially if the confrontation is a serious one, he prefers most of the time to finish the fights as quickly as possible, that's why Itachi should never be underestimated. Itachi lived his whole life so that Sasuke could defeat him and become an Uchiha hero as well as a hero of the leaf. That, obviously, didn’t go as planned. However, it did allow Sasuke to grow and begin to start asking the right questions that would eventually lead him to becoming the man he (Itachi) wanted him to be. (Itachi was killed so that Sasuke could grow more powerful both as a character (to us in a real world moral sense) and as a Ninja. Itachi from the get go was extremely talented which more precisly means that Itachi just like Minato was pretty much an unique, authentic and especially unpredictable Shinobi which could exceed or overcome almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto himself) In my opinion No One in the series should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). That is why it is arguable/debatable that he probably could or could not defeat foes like Minato, Obito or Pain/Nagato. Itachi was also a prodigy from birth and he knew all sorts of tricks and he's definitely a troublesome fellow to encounter. In my opinion, they are both very versatile, unique, interesting and especially very unpredictable in their way of fighting style approach. If you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of Itachi's fights, you might discover that he's pretty much always able to outsmart anyone during a fight or a encounter, because of his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach. His way of thinking and his calmness, intelligence and battle IQ experience factor it's very authentic and underrated, his true potential remain still unknown, because he wasn't go all out against anyone during the series.🤷🏻♂️☯️ I don't understand how some of you guys even dare or can to underestimate Itachi like that, many of you guys forget that Itachi isn't just any ordinary shinobi either, he is still considered by a very wide range of Naruto connoisseurs to be a very unique and unpredictable character at the same time and no one should underestimate him as some of you guys currently do. ;/ ☯️🤷🏻♂️What you have to remember, is that even in his battle with Sasuke, he has been fighting to lose. Itachi has always attempted to avoid conflict at all costs. He has to maintain his cover as an Akatsuki member, so he has to make viable excuses to avoid battle. When he says that fighting Jiraiya would have serious consequences, we know that he has an innate desire not to fight anyone at all, let alone a hero of the leaf, and he was a spy protecting Konoha from shadows. He could have killed Kakashi with ease. Kakashi even states that Itachi could have killed him, and wondered why he didn't. Knowing this, it is easy to see the pieces that point to a picture of Itachi that is devastatingly powerful in combat. In his confrontation with Asuma and Kurenai when he enters Konoha, we see him send Kurenai flying a large distance with a simple kick. We also see him deflect chidori, and snap Sasuke's arm like a twig with a single hand. He also sends Sasuke flying clear down the hallway with another kick in this fight. He is obviously a powerful, versatile, unpredictable and underrated taijutsu user. We know that he can kill with a glance using Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, and become nearly invincible with his Susanoo. We see him use exploding clones, (it's his one of his unpredictability in his fighting way approach) powerful genjutsu not linked to his sharingan, ( with a single point of a one of his fingers) and making hand seals at insane speeds. He kicks the shit out of Kakashi and he barely moves. Tobi also tells us himself that Itachi could have killed him if it weren't for carefully guarded secrets. Orochimaru beats Tsunade and Jiraiya without the use of his arms. Granted, Jiraiya was drugged, but it's still the point. Orochimaru couldn't use seals at all. Itachi obliterated Orochimaru effortlessly. Itachi has been a step above from the beginning. In order for him to keep his cover in Akatsuki, he had to avoid conflict without arousing suspicion, and the best way to do that was to present himself as being much less powerful than he actually is. The one thing we have been able to see in detail, is his intelligence and unpredictability in his fighting way approach. Itachi has been shown to be able to plan events years in advance, to account for possible flaws in his plans with powerful contingencies, and to use every possibility to his advantage. Shikamaru plans a few hours in advance, and we label him a tactical genius. If that is the case, what does one even call Itachi? The only real flaws that Itachi possesses is a smaller chakra reserves, and his own morality which keeps him from gaining Eternal Mangekyo. But even the chakra is arguable. The techniques we see him use are enormously powerful, and would therefor have a huge chakra cost. I'm not going to say he is the most powerful character in the anime, but I am going to say he is definitely very very high on that list, and probably higher than most people seem to give him credit for. Lastly but not least, Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story.
I don't see how minato without prep like baruto beats all the pain paths and all the animal paths
Like he's not the flash he's a fodder wannabe, how can he deal with all these people and summonings alone? Even with that lame teleporting move
@@DavidLucian Am gonna stop you in your first sentence. The same literally cannot be said for Itachi. Like I said, Kishimoto wrote Minato to be the ultimate shinobi without any kekkei genkai or other special abilities. Itachi however great he is, does in fact have a kekkei genkai. He and Minato are not the same. Look, Itachi is straight up awesome and strong as hell. But in a fight against Minato he just loses. That doesn't make Itachi any less of a fighter, Minato just happens to be a bad matchup for him due to his particular skillset.
@@coin4898 Then homie you need to read the manga again. Minato washes all Pain paths and it's not close whatsoever. The Pain paths are strong together but Minato is a bad matchup for them.
Damn that's ass
Minato = 50% Rasenshuriken Naruto
Sage Naruto Pain Arc > Minato
Both of those stated in manga material + databook. You say those in the video and you're still capping, the yellow fly isn't that good 💀. If Fukasaku said Naruto surpassed Minato bcs Minato had to learn sage mode through him, then he damn is inferior of this Naruto version.
12:15 the fk you talking about, it's not a contradiction and he doesn't even say Naruto had to master Kurama to defeat him in that panel🤣
13:31 Spirit realm LMAO, that's so disingenuous 💀💀💀💀💀
16:00 We haven't seen the same fight, Kakashi got murked by Kakuzu at numerous occasions. Naruto can consider himself weaker than hebi sasuke while fighting Kakuzu, who cares bcs this Naruto lost the 1 on 1 with Kakuzu without the help of yamato + kakashi. For the perception blitz of this Naruto by Sasuke wich is absolutely not the same Naruto who faced Kakuzu. This Naruto trained ~ a week to create the RS and Kakashi stated he gained around ~ 20 years of experience/skill bcs of this training. That is not comparable at all.
16:16 That's so untrue 🤣🤣🤣. The only reason why Sakura passed Hiruko is thanks to chiyo controlling her movement or she would have died without breaking this puppet.
17:16 : Do you realise most of those low tiers like you say can counter that except Hidan tho. Just an AoE and the kunai aren't where Minato wanted them to be or would vanish by any explosion.
I can see Minato winning easily vs Hidan and Deidara bcs... He would destroy Hidan in the first place, he won't let Deidara flying in his bird and most likely might kill him before he can.
For Sasori, he'll destroy Hiruko easily, same for the 100 puppets but I wonder how he would deal with Iron sand wich can deny all of his kunai + use it as defense and bcs it's poisonous it would be tricky/dangerous for Minato + Sasori can fly. I can say alive Minato wins vs Sasori but not that easily as you mention.
For Kakuzu he would react to each hearts attack, you made it clear and I agree but his strategic plan full kunaiing the battlefield is counter by the heart's AoE. How Minato reaches the flying hearts ? How would Minato pass through Kakuzu's diamond morph since it's stated in the databook it activate at the moment of impact ( kinda an automatism ) so kunai + rasengan = clueless. Minato does have lightning chakra nature but never stated or shown to be as good as a raikiri. Most likely Minato will just get out stamina or run away, the dude have 5 lives and he can get more chakra if he wants once he transforms. Plus, a weaker Kakuzu ( edo ) reacted + fought vs most of his shinobi alliance attributed including Darui who can tag combo with Ay v1 and react to Ay v2 speed vs MS Sasuke. So I personally don't see him being perception blitzed by Minato bcs of that. Most of his hearts destroyed are due to sneak attacks who bypass his diamond morph or when he didn't have it anymore.
Raikiri from behind => ignore diamond morph and had it activated, Hidan's ritual ignores durability ( destroyed earth heart ) then RS + finishing blow with raikiri. All those attacks were from the back, anyway. I won't keep listening the rest lol
This video is so much cap 😭😭😭
Well Minato knew "Madara" or whatever you wanna call him when you fought Minato would for sure be stronger by the time Naruto would be old enough to fight him, obviously even Teen Obito is a monster the War Arc version of Obito is obviously much stronger and Minato prolly assummed he would be much stronger by the time Naruto fought him. But I agree with basically everything you said, Minato is underrated greatly imo.
Do you think Pain, Itachi, or OM Obito individually could clear the rest of the Akatsuki, exluding themselves (i.e. Six Paths of Pain vs. Deidora, Hidan, Kakuzu, Kisame, Konan, Orochimaru, and Sasori, Itachi vs. Deidora, Hidan, Kakuzu, Kisame, Konan, Orochimaru, and Sasori, etc)
Bro itachi doesn’t solo a large group of people because of his chakra reserves it doesn’t matter how high his IQ is or how good his arsenal is the sheer fact that if he uses a tsukyomi and Amaterasu he’s already nerfing himself and his Susano’o is his trump card which comes out when he’s on his last leg doesn’t give him an edge when he’s getting jumped 😭 he’s too overrated in his alive form he’ll definitely do it as an edo but alive itachi doesn’t solo a group of high level ninjas I gotta see it to believe it 🤷♂️
Lol Minato's ability with FTG is crazy bro simultaneously teleported three people in three different location at the same time.
But couldn’t teleport to newborn naruto and kushina at the same time 💀
He’ll be fine probably don’t think he’ll need sage mode for Kisame honestly
For sure
@@TheAwsomeManny his sage mode lasted for one attack and it took him a long time to enter it, he sucks at using it in combat unlike Naruto.
People really don’t grasp that minato while fatigued from a day of maintaining kushinas seal went on to teleport a bijuu bomb, fight obito and then make the most complex seal we’ve ever seen and it only killed him because he was intentionally splitting the chakra so Naruto wouldn’t be overwhelmed which required the reaper.
The whole point of that flashback isn’t to show minato’s maximum power as a shinobi but rather the deep love and faith for his son so much so that he’s willing to trade his life for his without a second thought.
I think in konaan's defence, she probably would have already activated her techniques before pulling up rather than pulling up THEN activating her jutsu that makes her super hard to kill.
Does this change anything? probably not but hey if all things are equal does konan get years to prep because im pretty sure obito did...
FORREST OF PAPER BOMBS GO!!!
Minato solo’d 1000 Shinobi to single handily end the 3rd Great ninja war. He solos the Akatski. Especially Pain.
I wanna see virhtue debunk loko 😂
Me and Loko are cool
@@Virhtue you can still have a friendly debate. Debunking/debating doesn’t have to be malicious
Also just because a character is relative in speed doesn’t mean they are equal in power
Nobody: .....
Minato:.... SUPER RASEN TRIPLE BLACK ZERO VOID MEGA DIVIDED BY 3 THEN TRIPLE AGAIN ABYSSAL LIGHTNING THUNDER SHADOW YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD (WAIT WRONG SHOW) LEAF FLASHHHHHHHHHH!!!.
Everybody: bruh the enemy left already
Minato: ...
Enemy: *dies*
Imagine Itachi rigging a shadow clone explosion with Amaterasu and timing it to Minato's rasengan? 🤔
Itachi didn’t blitz nagato. He simply ran out of chakra after chibaku tensei and is freaking immobile.why does everyone forget
The Minato's power section could've just been "He's THAT guy" and I still could would've gotten the memo The Akatsuki would follow the flee on sight order...If they could before Minato kills them.
Wwwww
The only one following that flew on sight order is orochimaru. He’s the only one not deranged enough to stay and fight unironically.
@@kevingbergiste7372 true lel
Quick question, what tier do you think Sage Naruto would scale to?
At least Island lvl.
Above Sannin
The minato Rank above sanin.Below the top tiers like madara and hashirama
Gods
1st, 4th, madara, kcm 2 naruto, ems sausake
Sage naruto
All other kages/ sanin
Everyone else
@@johnsonjohnny675 Sage Naruto is not that strong. 💀
Not first /:
It’s all good my friend!
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (guides or manga) that Yugito is the second strongest in her village and I can't find it now.
From what i know, this isn’t in any Databook or published material
@@Virhtue I was completely sure she said so when she fought Hidan and Kakuzu, but when I read the chapters again I couldn't find it. Maybe it's from a spanish version when I first read it.
@user-jb2ev1mu8k I would say fourth strongest since she's above the rest of the cloud village just below ay and bee & darui.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek She could be on Killer Bee's lvl since they fought as an Edo Tensei, but she was faster then. Gyuki says that the Rinnegan enhance their powers, but he says that it's because of the shared vision.
Also, Naruto didn't do better with Pain. That's just false..Nagato literally fought the whole village and destroyed before bro got there. And Naruto had Intel. Naruto could have done ok, but to that point he'd never shown the battle IQ to really defeat a Pain level threat. Also bro had prep time. Idk I find it super disingenuous to Jiraiya situation
When did I say he did better the point was, despite doing well in their physical altercations, on the basis of Minato’s statement, Naruto would need far more power to fight an opponent Minato beat
@Virhtue 10:51 you literally say Naruto does better
Minato has the ap to break sasoonos, we see a weakened minato match a weekend 9 tails, man had years to master the technique and get stronger
Potentially
@Virhtue what's your opinion on minato sealing the whole 9 tails with almost 0 Chakra? I'd say it could be argued he'd be the strongest hokaga minus naruto in a 1v1 because half the 9 tails plus naruto is stated to be relative to hashirama
@@Virhtue .
Well, it seems that you don't know anything about Itachi's scaling, if you make an effort to look or to rewatch at all of his encounters, you will find out that he was always one step above anyone else, he didn't go all out against anyone during the series, his potential remain unknown, Itachi it's in the same league as Minato boy, so stop underestimate a shinobi unpredictable such as Itachi. 1. (Tsukuyomi) The best trick a magician could pull off was one even the audience could not be aware of until the very last minute. Illusions are a weapon of choice for many ninjas in the Shinobi world. But no one could master it the way Itachi Uchiha had. Even without his Sharingan, Itachi could create illusions that seemed extremely life-like and real. True to his pacifist self, Itachi mainly uses Genjutsu in combat to neutralize his opponents without even raising a finger. When combined with the superior illusionary techniques of the Mangekyo Sharingan, Itachi gains the ultimate Genjutsu ability - Tsukuyomi. Via Tsukuyomi, Itachi can affect the enemy’s perception of time, torturing him for days in a make believe world while in the real world, it would just be a matter of seconds. While both Minato and Itachi have a superhuman battle sense and strategic mindset, Itachi has a severe advantage in this field. It is mainly because of his Sharingan. His Kekkei Genkai amplifies his analytical thinking in battle. Able to quickly find out the flaws in opponents’ plans and striking back at their weakest links with the least possible effort is somewhat of a forte of Itachi Uchiha. While Minato is just as proficient in this field, the Uchiha prodigy scores better also due to the fact that he blossomed at a very young age compared to even Minato. Itachi was 3 years younger to Minato when he passed the Chunin Exams. By the tender age of 7, his power levels were considered to be just as high as any Kage. Itachi’s quick reaction time is the stuff of legends. The technique of Kirin, considered to be the fastest lightning based Jutsu in existence, is arguably hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound itself. The only person who has proven to be quick enough to dodge it is Itachi Uchiha. From performing hand signs even Sasuke and Kakashi could not follow through with their Sharingan to countering Killer Bee’s eight sword style, Itachi’s superhuman reflexes are extraordinarily gifted, even by Uchiha standards. This gives him quite an edge against Minato, who likes attacking opponents from their blind spots. 🤷🏻♂️
Now if obito pain & itachi jumped minato then he's gets stomp.
He blitz all of them
Minato teleports throat slash pretty much everyone in the series
Yeah, true
A bunch of fodder basically
Whiz getting killed by a teleport kunai slash unless they are fodder like hinata or sum?
3:03 are you saying that Hiruzen can take on pain?
Just because he is confident doesn’t mean he can beat 9tails. Tendo pain can handle Hiruzen with ease, very bad comparison.
At certain points Naruto + half the 9 tails chakra is probs way stronger than the full 9 tails itself. 4 tails & 6 tails Naruto probs isn’t as bad as an anti-feat for Jiraiya, Oro & tendo Pain as it seems.
The fact that Naruto only has half the 9 tails kinda messes with the scaling of the whole verse though 😤
Minato stomps them all
Minato is such a weakling. Can’t even solo the Ninetails 😂
He only blitzed it two time and deflected it’s biju bombs and implied he could seal it without dying
@@Virhtue It was clear when the fight started he wasn’t strong enough to beat the thing.Minato’s a speedster not a power house.If he shot 2 more bombs minato would be burnt out of chakra,he’d have to call chief toad still,he’d need a barrier still as well.Also if kushina didn’t have her chains he wouldn’t be sealing anything.
This guy probably thinks he can solo it😂 all these youtubers must have a hivemind of minato glazee
😂
Funny enough because of konan only scaling above sasori
I think minato has a better time against pain…
Talk about an L teammate(but it’s not her fault she’s not in the “casually above sannin tier”)
But like I always say
Minato is going to be a major genjutsu victim
He can EASILY break out of things like ephemeral if he focuses
But the demonic shackles and Tsukuyomi would take him out more times than not
And with kisame there for battlefield control his Ftg kunai would be almost useless under a mini ocean with thousands of sharks absorbing everyone’s chakra and giving it to kisame…
Tsukuyomi is more of a spirit/mystic plane where itachi controls the 5 senses, Space and time.. and even the fundamental laws of reality
FTG works by bypassing the fabric of space time and instantly appearing at another co-ordinate IN THE REAL PLANE not the Tsukuyomi plane
No need for things like sussano as minato counters it’s attacks by escaping easily and trying to use guiding thunder within close proximity on yata or the sussano itself is BEGGING to get stabbed with totsuka
So all in all unless minato by chance avoids itachi’s genjutsu
Which is really not happening as it’s waaay faster than the flick of a wrist(minato still has to assess his opponents first anyways)
But if he does, tags kisame and books it
He can surprise attack at a later time.. but that’s the highest reaches of almost impossible 😂
Like itachi would have to be a retard to fall for that
But yeah cool vid.,.
Just some minor corrections on moveset compatibility as the scaling is id say 95% accurate
Good video. I thought it was interesting but the Minato scaling is very dubious. This definitely seems like a higher end wanked interpretation. A lot of the scaling lines you used are indirect and via statements that can be interpreted differently. And there was also a lot of charitability given to Minato’s feats and lore in general. For example, there’s no way to prove the 4th data book statement about the Raikage is in reference to Jonin Minato and there’s also no direct statements or feats that put Hokage Minato significantly above his Jonin counterpart.
KCM1 is also the form most narratively implied to coincide with Minato’s speed as there are multiple chapter statements and statements by other characters likening KCM1 to Minato.
I think the line for me is where you say Minato in base is at those KCM2 Naruto levels of speed. If that were really the case than I don’t know why KCM Minato wasn’t just blitzing everyone in the war as the KCM speed multiplier is insane taking a base Naruto likely weaker than base Sannin level to well over V2 Raikage who is a blitz tier above 5KS Sasuke in combat speed with 5KS Sasuke easily being greater than the Sannin. KCM Minato with the sage mode reaction amp should have easily been able to beat Obito/Jubito and Madara with sealing or a flying Raijin Kunai strike if he was really already at their level of speed pre amps.
I still say Minto 2nd strongest hokage only behind naruto... if he was able to fully realize his strength. Hashirama maybe takes him straight up without prep time
War arc Minato is 3rd strongest hokage no dought .
There were at least 3 or 4 people who could rival minato. This is a bad start
A whole lot of over explaining and unnecessary material being pulled from the manga instead of the fights being broken down. Swagkage truly was unrived when it came to breaking down what if fights in naruto
Pain vs pre war arc minato is debatable
Pain vs war arc minato
Minato stomps
Full power nagato vs war arc minato
Nagato stomps
In the 23rd minute I feel like you hadn't actually given that much thought, instantaneous events like that or the description of the Tsukuyomi . You see if it lands while entering the portal but ends at the exit (which is a generous but not completely unfounded assumption) would have still given Itachi 30 or more years of hard "physical" and mental torture to dish out, years are far closer to no time passing at all then the time it would take a kunai to travel an inch moving dozens of times faster then lightning. It only takes the eyes.
That all being said I'm fully aware that minato would likely have killed or be in position to kill Itachi before then.
I’ve given it plenty of thought, wait till my next vid
@@Virhtue I'm looking forward to it my friend, I found you sometime earlier today or yesterday and I've been loving the content
Pain > Minato
Bruh💀 minato is just a better naruto and if naruto slapped pain the outcome seems obvious
Also isn’t the 9 tails weaker as a tailed beast and stronger as a jinjiriki? So comparing to the 9 tails shouldn’t compare to what bm Naruto does
I do feel minato is somewhat overrated. For one i dont think his rasengan always has the output the oneshot gave him. I really doubt obitonwould have been tsnking a biju bomb that hits him to the back.
Not trynna say minato not stronger than hiruzen cause I think he is but wasn’t the reason hiruzen stepped down as hokage because Danzo and the elders made him after he ended the war or am I tripping?
This is likely only in anime filler and is never implied whatsoever in the manga and the antithesis would be implied more so
I like your videos but you don't spend enough time talking about what a character would do against another character's jutsu... you spend the whole video talking about feats instead of each character wild handle a certain situation
Minato beating Itachi and Kismet is faded your scaling is kinda shit ngl you should watch someone like Six who's a bit more honest in his scaling
Maybe you should true to refute a single point a made
@@Virhtue I most definitely could but I think my opinion would be suffice. Arguing through text is extremely tedious and gets convoluted and doesnt get anywhere. I would have to state my disagreement than write out feats or anti feats and statements and I know dam well nobody got time to read a 300 word comment
Don't all thrse youtubers like wank minato, only ones I like are kinda this guy and six and swagkage
But all 3 of em glaze minato so like where do I go from here ):
No, Minato isn't above Hiruzen or Prime Pt.1 Oro. Oro would've been Hokage over Minato if not for his evil deeds. And Oro maintains this feeling of superiority throughout.
Minato should be close to EMS Sasuke and KCM1 Naruto. But the other Kage should be closer to EMS Madara or Alive 1 eye Madara in terms of combat and reaction speed. And Oro in base is above the Sannin tier Kabuto showed to be on against the Sannin Tsunade. As Sannin Tsunade and level is that of base Tsunade
This is a stomp honestly, Minato is just too fast, too strong and too intelligent. Starting from Itachi and Kisame would be when Minato needs to start trying. Should have made this fair and used Kid Minato LOL
I mean true
My G, you selled "herculean" wrong
Minato vs itachi, pain, obito, he kills itachi first than obito an ends all the pains. Or kills pain and itachi than proceeds to end obito or speed blitz them all at the same time