Aha! The Marvelous Mark Miller alongside you two. Awesome! Thanks everyone. 🙏🏽❤️ I absolutely LOVE Marks rant about the importance of “cooling” and “heating” practices. After 14 years of following Goenkas Vipassna teachings, I had a near psychotic episode during a silent retreat where PTSD flashbacks were completely overwhelming (despite being in therapy at the time!). That prompted me to find a “real live teacher” and I found my primary teacher (in the lineage of Ajahn Chah) and he put me on the path of Metta being my primary practice. It saved my ass!!! Mark, I’m with you 100%. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Heroes. Absolute heroes. That bit about the Immeasurables, and the heating and cooling practices, and the deep importance of the setting of the monastic life. Just 💯💯💯
Thank you all, this was amazing ❤ Previous discussions with Mark Miller are probably my all time favorites on this channel, so I was delighted to see another appearance. A sharp mind - I see why John is so proud!
That was the best thing I`ve heard in a while. Your scientific enthusiasm about meditation and contemplation is contagius. Thank you so much for this. As a practising contemplative (at CAC Living School) I find this an amazing and important topic and as a philosopher I am so happy, that science gets more and more involved in this area. I hope for more Gentelmen!
I really liked this interview! I recently started judging philosophers by the quality and quantity of heaps they can turn into piles - intellectually, existentially, socially, or otherwise. Mark seems to be a artist of transforming things into meaningful artifacts! Keep transforming the heaps and anomalies you find into more nice little insightful pieces of goodness, for all of us :)
Thank you John for all the work you do and the amazing people you interact with! Unfortunately I feel ashamed that I'm still stuck in propositional knowing, even when engaging with your work. There is a deep strain of nihilism in my soul that needs overcoming, and as you've remarked in the past academic philosophy, while interesting, is not all thats needed.
39:55 He does a great job explaining by way of analogy the idea of “heating up” the psychic system with contemplative practice (which in Miller’s conception includes psychedelic and traditional deep vipassana) in order to “uproot” potentially pathological belief structures. And then the point about respect for eastern practices and shamanic ritual was so well made: traditions all accompany “heating up” practice with “cooling down,” i.e. monk life, loving kindness, etc… Traditions heat up your psyche and, like metal annealling, cools you down into the shape of a bodhisattva that’s useful.
I have similarly view is applied to Korean Hanok structure, and their eating cultures calling "cooling down" when "heating up" foods, this is only idea but many eastern people feel support feeling when it is said in some life conditions. Korean cult language but widely trustable expression "아~ 시원하네~" when they eat heated foods, is what I think people can invoke from this analogy. People who do eastern philosophy are cross-cultural pros, it would deepen the understanding in Canadian community too.
This is great discussion. I second what Mark is saying about approaching the right amount. I tend to think of it as balance between order and chaos and balance towards optimization. In a sense, meditation shouldn’t just be about frolicking in one’s awareness, but more importantly meditation should be used to improve one’s capabilities throughout life. For example, meditation could improve how you learn and participate in your job.
As a novice who isn’t very educated, where do I start? John’s multiple meditation videos he filmed when Covid first started? Are there also lessons in contemplation practices please?
Yes I believe my series would be a helpful first start. Has both meditation and contemplation practices and then fold into a cultivation of wisdom series if you want to keep going.
THE LADDER OF MONKS A Letter on the Contemplative Life by GUIGO circa 1175 ‘Reading, as it were, puts food whole into the mouth, meditation chews it and breaks it up, prayer extracts its flavour, contemplation is the sweetness itself which gladdens and refreshes. Reading works on the outside, meditation on the pith: prayer asks for what we long for, contemplation gives us delight in the sweetness which we have found. ‘
I like the That you talk about grounding elements and is why I lvalue Swami Savapriananda because as well as Advita practice he also values Bhakti and the devotional , ritual , love etc which for many is the practice forvChritiana, Buddhists and Hindus alike
I always have good advices from Dr.Vervaeke and his fellows, the reply is moved to my blog and I put this reply instead. The advice is not soley to me, I can appreciate the cares given to audiences. The talk in this video is special thing for meditation, because the fellows and Dr.Vervaeke's mind is to understand people in meditative practice--although I do not have experiences in meditation, I would like to learn from academic perspective on meditation. The three men in this video are an example of role model how young people can learn from. If you think my replies are unrelevant, please tell me without hesitation. I put some ideas related to the topic sometime to declensive situations about the topic, but when it is harmful or something like making trouble in collaborative to make meaning, I can re-reply for how Dr.Vervaeke's channel is good development My Internet environment is under proxy setting so there would be restriction to see, whatever it is I would like not to interrupt the development of this channel. Thank you for care of giving great videos always ^^
Good of you to reply. Among other things it feels like I've Iain McGilchrist's right hemisphere in mind, as engaged in the philosophy/ meditation in question.@@johnvervaeke
I think I understand why this isn't mind control...it's shifting where the bell curve is positioned. Life emerges where the gradient is rich, in the sweet spot, top down view, where the bottom up view is the science and math recording interactions to see what goes where. For the solar system the sweet spot is the Earth, and for the planet the sweet spot is not humans but the skin, of the species the humans are the sweet, where the sweet spot is the top of the Bell curve thru facilitating the complexity instead of sequestering and simplifying that. There might be a legal solution. The incorporation legally speaking of groups and countries could be extended to other than human, so that the humans as a single corporation could be in a guild with other mammals (all squirrels as a corporation for instance, with rights) and the role for humans as managers of this legal system, to speak and act for those others in proportion on the planet, to account for corporative and country behavior instead of pledging to the human only in a 3 card monte of suggested being.
I think Dr.Vervaeke's insight into feeling too, is what is based on the professional foundation that can relieve people's life pains, it would be great endeavor for even when some other opinions possible (for example, even same supporters of people sometimes disagree to the creation, it would be resolvable because pros help, if it is preserved, some boys can keep the promise and rescue life from meditation can support continually) Dr.Vervaeke is great for this, I have revere for it and my sense of revere is good like "we're Canadian" or "I am fan of him" and so on ^^
@@colorfulbookmark The meditation does seem to do a lot of people a lot of good while the engagement in science makes progress in understanding. Perhaps a good solution to current problems is one that offers both freedoms to as many people as possible. That depersonalization mentioned coupled with a sense of being coerced by an older family member made me shy away from meditation. I got the family kicked out of the Mahareshi's Transcendental Meditation branch office for giggling and getting my brother to giggle back in '75 I think it was. It was showing him that Ripley's Believe it or Not paperback with the picture of the anthropomorphic banana on the front that did it. Is there a third freedom where humor itself is freed and has a ripple effect? Which might be said to have both positive and negative while propagating itself.
@@projectmalus I think Dr.Vervaeke's view is helpful to present person too. There is complicated things to this kind of life as I live too, but his practice is very kind for people who experienced that, although it is sometimes to be test for person, I think his idea is respectful in many cases who would like to get help from. The thing someone respect and honor are really autonomy, it is good thing if we express outward. I think there is thing you like about Dr.Vervaeke too. The thing to present rescue in public video is not easy thing, and he does it then people in real life pain can approve it.
@@projectmalus I hope family issue I deeply am empathic even if people's experiences are different by different cases, please be well for soon. I think Dr.Vervaeke and you have same academic background, it would be good for you and him too ^^
@@colorfulbookmark Right! If the goal is to reduce suffering and increase flourishing, then using monastic ideas to do that in concert with science and experience seems promising since those were the places of spiritual power throughout various points in global history, and if there are very few organizations doing this well these days, then it's up to "us" to try to recreate the ideas that worked in the past as well as innovate from where we are and to engage in them personally, maybe even preserving them for ourselves and our collective future. The trends of senseless painful violence, isolation and loneliness, and general lack of feelings of goodness in anyone's life should be a sign that something is not right. We should unlearn our helplessness and be more assertive and self sufficient in our quest for goodness, especially if the people and institutions around us our not "caring for our souls" or even "their own souls" naively or foolishly. Cultures can be possessed by parasitic processing! I think in a way, we're all still seeking for a better alternative to the last 50-100 years, and people like Rick, Mark, John, and lots of others are trying to discover new ways of orienting and doing things, as well as look into the deeper past for viable ways of life that have more "substance" than most of the popular alternatives we see in media (of any kind from tiktok to the evening news) or even our embedded personal environments wherever we may be on the globe.
Aha! The Marvelous Mark Miller alongside you two.
Awesome! Thanks everyone.
🙏🏽❤️
I absolutely LOVE Marks rant about the importance of “cooling” and “heating” practices. After 14 years of following Goenkas Vipassna teachings, I had a near psychotic episode during a silent retreat where PTSD flashbacks were completely overwhelming (despite being in therapy at the time!). That prompted me to find a “real live teacher” and I found my primary teacher (in the lineage of Ajahn Chah) and he put me on the path of Metta being my primary practice. It saved my ass!!! Mark, I’m with you 100%. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The Remarkable Rick Repetti and the Magnificent Mark Miller! Great stuff!
Heroes. Absolute heroes. That bit about the Immeasurables, and the heating and cooling practices, and the deep importance of the setting of the monastic life. Just 💯💯💯
Mark Miller is wonderful to listen to. Thank you John, Rick & Mark🙏
Thank you all, this was amazing ❤ Previous discussions with Mark Miller are probably my all time favorites on this channel, so I was delighted to see another appearance. A sharp mind - I see why John is so proud!
This was undoubtedly one of the most enjoyable and interesting conversations I had the pleasure of listening to this year.
This series has been wonderful even just for giving exposure to some great personalities and interesting thinkers. Thank you!
That was the best thing I`ve heard in a while. Your scientific enthusiasm about meditation and contemplation is contagius. Thank you so much for this. As a practising contemplative (at CAC Living School) I find this an amazing and important topic and as a philosopher I am so happy, that science gets more and more involved in this area. I hope for more Gentelmen!
Today i saw the light of Bhaisajyaguru shining on you three. Compassion, joy and wisdom all together. Gracias.🙏
Thank you! The Contemplative Science podcast just got another listener and I'll start up some loving-kindness practice.
I really liked this interview! I recently started judging philosophers by the quality and quantity of heaps they can turn into piles - intellectually, existentially, socially, or otherwise. Mark seems to be a artist of transforming things into meaningful artifacts! Keep transforming the heaps and anomalies you find into more nice little insightful pieces of goodness, for all of us :)
Thank you John for all the work you do and the amazing people you interact with! Unfortunately I feel ashamed that I'm still stuck in propositional knowing, even when engaging with your work. There is a deep strain of nihilism in my soul that needs overcoming, and as you've remarked in the past academic philosophy, while interesting, is not all thats needed.
39:55 He does a great job explaining by way of analogy the idea of “heating up” the psychic system with contemplative practice (which in Miller’s conception includes psychedelic and traditional deep vipassana) in order to “uproot” potentially pathological belief structures. And then the point about respect for eastern practices and shamanic ritual was so well made: traditions all accompany “heating up” practice with “cooling down,” i.e. monk life, loving kindness, etc… Traditions heat up your psyche and, like metal annealling, cools you down into the shape of a bodhisattva that’s useful.
I have similarly view is applied to Korean Hanok structure, and their eating cultures calling "cooling down" when "heating up" foods, this is only idea but many eastern people feel support feeling when it is said in some life conditions.
Korean cult language but widely trustable expression "아~ 시원하네~" when they eat heated foods, is what I think people can invoke from this analogy.
People who do eastern philosophy are cross-cultural pros, it would deepen the understanding in Canadian community too.
This is great discussion. I second what Mark is saying about approaching the right amount. I tend to think of it as balance between order and chaos and balance towards optimization. In a sense, meditation shouldn’t just be about frolicking in one’s awareness, but more importantly meditation should be used to improve one’s capabilities throughout life. For example, meditation could improve how you learn and participate in your job.
Okay so Mark is quite the remarkable speaker and highly inspiring... very impressed. Excellent, thank you for sharing.
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As a novice who isn’t very educated, where do I start? John’s multiple meditation videos he filmed when Covid first started? Are there also lessons in contemplation practices please?
Yes I believe my series would be a helpful first start. Has both meditation and contemplation practices and then fold into a cultivation of wisdom series if you want to keep going.
THE LADDER OF MONKS A Letter on the Contemplative Life
by GUIGO circa 1175
‘Reading, as it were, puts food whole into the mouth, meditation chews it and breaks it up, prayer extracts its flavour, contemplation is the sweetness itself which gladdens and refreshes. Reading works on the outside, meditation on the pith: prayer asks for what we long for, contemplation gives us delight in the sweetness which we
have found. ‘
I like the That you talk about grounding elements and is why I lvalue Swami Savapriananda because as well as Advita practice he also values Bhakti and the devotional , ritual , love etc which for many is the practice forvChritiana, Buddhists and Hindus alike
When will we have taichi with Vervaeke???
I'll have to think about this one.
52:25 is that what it is? It sounds strange hearing it explained like that. Thank you.
Yes!!❤
I always have good advices from Dr.Vervaeke and his fellows, the reply is moved to my blog and I put this reply instead. The advice is not soley to me, I can appreciate the cares given to audiences. The talk in this video is special thing for meditation, because the fellows and Dr.Vervaeke's mind is to understand people in meditative practice--although I do not have experiences in meditation, I would like to learn from academic perspective on meditation. The three men in this video are an example of role model how young people can learn from.
If you think my replies are unrelevant, please tell me without hesitation. I put some ideas related to the topic sometime to declensive situations about the topic, but when it is harmful or something like making trouble in collaborative to make meaning, I can re-reply for how Dr.Vervaeke's channel is good development
My Internet environment is under proxy setting so there would be restriction to see, whatever it is I would like not to interrupt the development of this channel. Thank you for care of giving great videos always ^^
A thought out of the blue -ish I hoped worth sharing: is philosophy done right a form of meditation?
I think so. I think it can integrate the two senses of meditation ( east and west)
Good of you to reply. Among other things it feels like I've Iain McGilchrist's right hemisphere in mind, as engaged in the philosophy/ meditation in question.@@johnvervaeke
❤🌞
lol, too many compliments. More emotional distance please
I think I understand why this isn't mind control...it's shifting where the bell curve is positioned. Life emerges where the gradient is rich, in the sweet spot, top down view, where the bottom up view is the science and math recording interactions to see what goes where. For the solar system the sweet spot is the Earth, and for the planet the sweet spot is not humans but the skin, of the species the humans are the sweet, where the sweet spot is the top of the Bell curve thru facilitating the complexity instead of sequestering and simplifying that. There might be a legal solution.
The incorporation legally speaking of groups and countries could be extended to other than human, so that the humans as a single corporation could be in a guild with other mammals (all squirrels as a corporation for instance, with rights) and the role for humans as managers of this legal system, to speak and act for those others in proportion on the planet, to account for corporative and country behavior instead of pledging to the human only in a 3 card monte of suggested being.
I think Dr.Vervaeke's insight into feeling too, is what is based on the professional foundation that can relieve people's life pains, it would be great endeavor for even when some other opinions possible (for example, even same supporters of people sometimes disagree to the creation, it would be resolvable because pros help, if it is preserved, some boys can keep the promise and rescue life from meditation can support continually)
Dr.Vervaeke is great for this, I have revere for it and my sense of revere is good like "we're Canadian" or "I am fan of him" and so on ^^
@@colorfulbookmark The meditation does seem to do a lot of people a lot of good while the engagement in science makes progress in understanding. Perhaps a good solution to current problems is one that offers both freedoms to as many people as possible.
That depersonalization mentioned coupled with a sense of being coerced by an older family member made me shy away from meditation.
I got the family kicked out of the Mahareshi's Transcendental Meditation branch office for giggling and getting my brother to giggle back in '75 I think it was. It was showing him that Ripley's Believe it or Not paperback with the picture of the anthropomorphic banana on the front that did it.
Is there a third freedom where humor itself is freed and has a ripple effect? Which might be said to have both positive and negative while propagating itself.
@@projectmalus I think Dr.Vervaeke's view is helpful to present person too. There is complicated things to this kind of life as I live too, but his practice is very kind for people who experienced that, although it is sometimes to be test for person, I think his idea is respectful in many cases who would like to get help from.
The thing someone respect and honor are really autonomy, it is good thing if we express outward. I think there is thing you like about Dr.Vervaeke too. The thing to present rescue in public video is not easy thing, and he does it then people in real life pain can approve it.
@@projectmalus I hope family issue I deeply am empathic even if people's experiences are different by different cases, please be well for soon. I think Dr.Vervaeke and you have same academic background, it would be good for you and him too ^^
@@colorfulbookmark Right! If the goal is to reduce suffering and increase flourishing, then using monastic ideas to do that in concert with science and experience seems promising since those were the places of spiritual power throughout various points in global history, and if there are very few organizations doing this well these days, then it's up to "us" to try to recreate the ideas that worked in the past as well as innovate from where we are and to engage in them personally, maybe even preserving them for ourselves and our collective future.
The trends of senseless painful violence, isolation and loneliness, and general lack of feelings of goodness in anyone's life should be a sign that something is not right. We should unlearn our helplessness and be more assertive and self sufficient in our quest for goodness, especially if the people and institutions around us our not "caring for our souls" or even "their own souls" naively or foolishly. Cultures can be possessed by parasitic processing!
I think in a way, we're all still seeking for a better alternative to the last 50-100 years, and people like Rick, Mark, John, and lots of others are trying to discover new ways of orienting and doing things, as well as look into the deeper past for viable ways of life that have more "substance" than most of the popular alternatives we see in media (of any kind from tiktok to the evening news) or even our embedded personal environments wherever we may be on the globe.
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Enthusiasm overdose... If such a thing is possible...
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I wonder if my statement was perceived sarcastically. That would be unfortunate…