Britain talks about "unelected" bureaucrats. There are no unelected members of the European Parliament but there IS the unelected House of Lords in Britain.
@@batcollins3714 which has advisory powers only. Only the elected House can initiate and approve legislation. Brexit/Johnson/Trump are the benefits of elections The biggest danger to all democracies is the gullibility/ignorance of the electorate.
Dont bother, the brexiters are thick as mud. they were all expecting a huge boost to their wages once FoM was stopped, but most are whining about immigrants still. dont even give them the time of day.
the british are subjects!! we are citizens, I swore an aligiance to the people and Portuguese constitution and they lecture us on democracy ??? ROTFL stay out of the EU we do not want you back
how about an apology TO EVERY EU Citizen living in the UK at the time and called a "Bargoning chip, a que Jumper, and a citizen of no where" THAT WOULD BE A START !!! Apart from just thinking about your pockets !!
True and now there complaining about other migrants .ive heard people like this in 30s Germany .I shiver every time i hear farage and his henchmen .throwing insults at Brussels was playground stuff and bloody foolish to say the least it was a good job the eu acted like adults or they could have dropped the uk in crap .
@@Bertrum123 I am all for "normali relations with them (whatever that means!!) BUT I DO NOT TRUST THE BRITISH WITH ANYTHING!! and have fealt first hand what they are like !! .NEVER LET THEM BACK IN TO THE EU EVER !!!
Without the BBC people would have forgotten all about Farage long ago - that’s how Establishment the little shite actually is and how gullible the Reformed Turd voter has been …
@@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt The people who voted for him aren't exactly the brightest. They thought Farage is anti-establishment when the smallest amount of research shows the dude is as establishment as they get. Led by Donkeys has a great video on him, highly recommend it
@@DrMontague After nearly FIFTEEN years of TORY RULE, taxes are the highest they have been since the end of the Second World War, while the same TORY administration has managed to INCREASE the UK's Debt/GDP ratio to more than 100%. That might be the REASON why "...there is never any money!"
Dont forget , as soon as Labour or any other government has solved the issues buissness has with brexit all the buissness owners will be back to voting Tory. You will never get rid of them.
Rejoin is impossible for the UK. There is no system for "rejoin", there is only a system of applying for membership and going to the back of the queue.
yeah... but the tories still exist, dont they? what if they win the next election? do you think the eu wants to negotiate with labour for years, just to see it torn to shreds by the next government? the uk as a whole - INCLUDING the tories - have to come to a consensus first, before negotiations make any sense. ... and dont tell me about the fantastic labour victory. the tories and reform combined had 50% of the vote... and these 50% are hardcore anti-eu. and this doesnt mean that the other 50% are pro-eu either... with or without the tories.
"no longer slinging mud". So finally getting to the point of no longer behaving like a 6 year old. The real improvement will come when this new ukgov shows knowledge about the EU, and not blabber about " not returning to sm/cu" when that isn't even an option. The moment they start being honest with their own population they can be taken seriously.
To be honest starmer has never talked about rejoining because he lives in the real world. At present we meet less than half of the Copenhagen criteria so the whole want to rejoin is moot
There are no deals to be made. The EU benefits are for EU members. The UK will not have its cake and eat it. There will be no cherry picking. This is about the EU and not about whichever party holds dictatorial sway over the UK at any given moment in time.
It’s been literal days, can’t expect miracles in that time. But the incoming government striking a more conciliatory tone toward the EU is the right step, because the previous government’s approach certainly didn’t work.
Starmer has made it pretty clear what Lammy isn’t doing. Making the first steps to rejoining.. This is about clarifying what we can do as third country. Yes its boring, Starmer promised boring.
Small steps lead to a long journey. Start off with the easiest things to resolve, and then move onto the other stuff from a position of improved strength.
Having some goodwill because you stopped insulting then other party does not "improve strength". Nothing the UK as a small party can do will make them have "strength" in a negotiation with the multiplentimes larger EU.
Watched and listened Sir Kier today. Already showing how much of a statesman he is. So impressed already. Such contrast with the totally inept PM's we have had to put with over the last 14+ years.
@@verystripeyzebra yes, I have. That's precisely the reason why I say what I say. Like Sunak, Starmer is a brexiteer with the only difference being that he is more willing to comply to the EU terms. But that's it. He does not want to rejoin, is a partidaire of the stupid "english exceptionalism" idea and, in practice - i.e., financial support to local businesses, management of internal revenue and social programs, etc - is more of the same compared to Sunak. You see, even being from different parties, Sunak - contrary to Boris, May or Truss, was centre-right while Starmer is centre-left. They converge more than they diverge and they are much more similar than they are different. Hence: Starmer is little more than Sunak v2.0. Same shit from two different baskets. Sorry, mate. I really hate to burst you bubble, but...
@@Oil2024 well I totally disagree with your analysis. Totally missing the fascistic tendencies of the Tories, their willingness to break international law and their desire to trash our rights. Childish belligerent incompetency replaced with serious governing.
@@verystripeyzebra I wasn't comparing Starmer with "the tries" nor comparing "labour" with "tories". I was comparing - individually - Sunak with Starmer. You're free to disagree but I'd sure would like to know WHY you disagree. An actual rational and observable reason - like I did above - for you to disagree. Who knows... maybe if your reasons are compelling enough, I'll change my mind. But, up until now: Starmer is a brexiteer, who once was a supporter of a "no deal" brexit and I don't revise myself on this sort of politics. He is not "labour" enough for me. There.
It makes very basic sense for the UK to focus on relations with its neighbors, not countries across the ocean. But there will almost certainly be no "re-entry". Britain needs to accept the consequences of its actions. It left, it still has not even met the requirements of the current deal (TCA), and has been hostile since 2016. The UK threatened previous longstanding agreements, the Good Friday Agreement, it threatened to "starve Ireland" (Home Secretary Patel).... So the chances of the UK even being considered for membership are....non-existent.
@@matthewrice3432 And when will that change? Please remember, the EU has rules about joining. Not options. Rules. It also has a veto. One single country stops an application. No retries. Finished. At the very least, say goodbye to Gibraltar, to the Elgin Marbles and to any illusions you may have had about special privileges. But the most likely scenario remains: Never.
@@matthewrice3432 Convincing argument. You must be some sort of professor or something. It sounds like you have a detailed command of the intricacies of EU law, the Maastricht Treaty, Lisbon Treaty, Copenhagen Criteria, and recent events such as the hostile negotiation tactics of the UK.
Mr. Lammy visiting Germany was only interesting for the UK side and some UA-camrs. In Germany, it was hardly mentioned by any media and the German Foreign Ministry didn't even find it worthy to be mentioned on their homepage with a short notice! Nothing! Out means out!
Yep. There may be some minor tweaks. Nothing major. That will not happen until all mainstream parties in UK agree. Why would EU offer more entanglement when the hassle of disentangling is only one election away.
no, what makes you think that we will not accept, remember the EU is a British idea, something went very wrong with our minds in 2016, now that we have had a good slapping of reality, I think we will have our minds back and we will not be the same as we were,
Any move towards closer cooperation with the EU has to be welcomed as BREXIT is the biggest drag on the economy and therefore hindrance to the growth everyone's aiming for. Even if not fully rejoining almost anything has to be an improvement on the current situation. It will also be hilarious watching Brexit supporters and the Brexiteer press screaming like small children who've finally been told no as they try to find a benefit, any benefit, of leaving the EU.
Improving the relationship? Sure but it's your move, UK. Renegotiating better deals? Not on the table, unless the UK has something substantial to offer the EU. Does the UK have that? Nope.
Political stability & consensus on EU membership are years away. It's extremely naive to think Starmer has any intention of ever implementing electoral reform that would damage the Tory/Torylite duopoly. Even if he was honest in that regard it's something for the next parliament at the very earliest. The alternative route is that the opposition come to their senses re: EU membership or there's a new as well as settled opposition - this is probably 2 parliamennts away at a minimum. Leave voters & 2019 Tory voters are thinning out at such a rate that I can see the Tories changing course before Starmer gets around to electoral reform. With settling the matter politically looking more like 2 parliaments away at a minimum it does make sense to do as much as possible as a 3rd nation. It's not as if tangible gains can't be made from such a dire position so rather than banging their heads against a Brexity wall of obstinate ignorance that's going to die off at a significant rate over the next few years it's a better use of time to build bridges as a 3rd nation rather than show ourselves up by reopening a Brexit debate that can't take us anywhere meaningful in this parliament anyway. It's tough for older Remainers but their generation failed & has had generally appalling voting habits for decades that mean the UK can't realistically apply to rejoin until a significant number of that generation are no longer with us. You can blame Leave voters but Remainers have been just as obstinate in their refusal to alter their losing strategies in so many elections since the referendum.
First, the UK needs to meet the Copenhagen Criteria. At the moment, it doesn’t meet even HALF of them. Second, the country needs a written constitution with clear separation of powers, and an electoral system with some element of Proportional Representation(PR)
1) How have you determined that the UK doesn't meet half of the Copenhagen criteria? Is that an assessment made by an expert or you as an individual? 2) The Uk already has separation of powers. The supreme Court is independent of government, isn't appointed by the executive, the executive and the head of state aren't fulfilled by the same figure - those roles are filled by separate figures.
Whatever progress that Labour makes (and I don't expect it to be much whilst the UK remains a 3rd country); that progress sticks because Brexit has zero compensating benefits. The only argument that Brexiteers have to offer - is all huff, with no puff.
Oh I don't know border controls are😊 piss poor "puff" is almost certainly available. Along with anything else people chose to send since we have no border controls
What has changed? Just a bit of symbolic gestures but what can you realistically expect after just a week of a new government after 14 years of wasted time
EU doesn't want us back (understandably) ... the bigger powers in EU found us to be endless troublemakers. EU is stronger without us. While we stagnate and lose out .. we serve as an example to other EU countries not to follow our route.
I agree, but I don't want to be described as part of the 'us' you refer to. There are many many people in the UK who are certainly not trouble makers when it comes to the EU...it's just that shouty troublemakers get lots of platform in the media to project their stance. I'm sure much of the EU acknowledge that. I don't think I'll ever fully recover when it comes to bloody brexit.
Is this the same EU that had 12 countries and 30% of World GDP in 1992 and now has 27 countries and 14% of World GDP and still falling? Not a good example to be following is it?
@@LudwigVaanArthans We were once the sick man ourselves, after we joined the EEC. Now it's Germany. It turns out teaching the Chinese to make decent cars wasn't such a great move after all!
@@paullarne The difference is Germany has minor structural issues and they had to rebuild East Germany; the UK is husk of a country governed for 14 years by incompetents overseeing little in the way of economic activity besides their shrinking share of the services sector and known more for rivers of raw sewage than anything substantive. Germany is experiencing part of a cycle and will come back as they have before; the UK is spiraling into the toilet bowl and the real hope of Labour is they will slow down the rate of decline but it won't be reversed until you fix your education system.
Here we go only a week and the sour grapes at least reform didnt get the votes they were expecting 4 and they think they have beaten the tories there not even a democratic party they cant even vote in there leader .they think there coming for labour starmer will eat farage up and show what a snake ooil salesmen he is hes not to good at facts is our nigel lets see if dose anything for clacton be interesting to see him do something for anyone else othere than himself .but at least galloway went 7:29 @@doreenhollywood74597:29
There's some measures that might mean that it might be difficult to see any way forward for us to rejoin the EU - I am a little bit wary about rejoining too quickly and because of the situation of uncertainty with the EU itself! I don't think that we will see any quick fix - some of these instances may help ease a possible way back. It's going to take several years - if not some decades. I have suspected at least 30 to 50 years after a reapplication! I don't think that I will be there to see it happen! Many of us, won't be.
Us Europeans are done with the UK. We have put up with too much nonsense the last few years to ever let them back into the fold and any suggestion otherwise is just cope.
The UK is nowhere near asking to return to the EU and possibly won't ever reach that point. Starmer is trying to improve the relationship, which won't be too hard considering how bad the Tories made it. Surely this is a good thing? The scope for improvement is small but he's trying to explore what might be mutually beneficial. I'm surprised you have a problem with that.
In Brussels and across the EU, the UK remains a mistrusted potential future partner based on the experience of dealing with Tory governments since Brexit 2016. The EU maintains a long view on its policy development and strategic trade relations. Who is to say the Tories won't be back in government in 4 or five years should Labour flounder. It will take many, many years before the EU even considers a application by the UK to rejoin. In the meantime the UK can consider status EFTA member Norway enjoys with the EU, single market access with no decision making privileges while obeying all EU rules.
Won't be possible = Norway and Iceland are stating since years, that they'll veto the UK joining EFTA, because they don't want a "trouble maker in their club". EUs SM/EEA is available for EU and EFTA member states ONLY, according to article 126 of the EEA Agreement. EEA = EUs SM NOT negotiatable !!
To be fair, the EU is widely considered to be untrustworthy in the UK and has done many things to encourage that view over the last 8 years, and indeed previously.
@@paullarneit's all good, once EuroClearing is done, your city of London can also enjoy all the Brexit benefits like the rest of the inhabitants of the sick man of Europe and you can be fully sovereign with all your non-elected leaders
The European institutions are on a bit of a hiatus at the moment. The European parliament will start it's 10th legislature next week in Strasbourg and then it must elect the president of the commission. The UK delegation D-UK will not meet until at least September. Add to this that the presidency is currently held by Hungary..... The most important time will the review of the TCA starting in May 2026. Cyprus will have the council presidency then but it will the pass over to .... wait for it .... Ireland in July 2026. This will be a very interesting time. It will probably be my last year working in the European Parliament before retirement.
I'm very interested to see how the EU reacts to the new UK government. Warmer relations will be a welcome change. But, the UK still haven't implemented their side of the agreement fully. I can't imagine the EU will be open to actually doing much other than talking until the agreement has been fully implemented. When the agreement was struck, the expectation was that the UK was acting in good faith, so it shouldn't matter which party is in power.
The UK is a third country. It was told quite clearly when it left that club benefits are only for club members. No having cake and eating it. No cherry picking. Here's them rules, follow them.
Britain doesn't meet the Criteria for joining. Ireland needed the uk in 1961 and 1972 to join the EEC. Britain didn't meet the criteria then either. Thats not the Case today.
In many ways the UK has the same social issues of self-image that lead to Russia's current behavior. Both countries live in a past where they dominated their respective empires by force and don't quite understand why other countries are not as enthusiastic about bringing that time back.
@@Taladar2003Because it no longer exists. By the early 1980s, the British empire consisted of a scattered collection of islands, often separated from each other by hundreds of kilometres. The UK is a medium sized country in north Western Europe, either it recognised that fact and makes common cause with close neighbours to address matters of common interest and concern to devise effective solutions for mutual benefit, or it persists with deluded fantasy.
@@Taladar2003What you have said may be true of some older, probably wealthy/posh Brits, but its not true for all of us. I'm old (74) and don't think about the Empire at all, it doesn't figure in my political thoughts or even my emotional ones. I remember being amused back in the seventies when lots of older people were up in arms about all the immigrants from Kenya after Amin chucked them out, but they all had British passports. Seemed to me that if you run other countries and make the citizens there 'British subjects', y😊ou can't complain if they all want to come 'home' to Britain...
@@mjwilliamsb2676ah yes, but they weren't the right KIND of British passport, they were issued to the f***y w***ies (as corporal jones used to say) on the condition they WOULDN'T use them to come "home"😂. This cunning plan didn't work, much to the bemusement of a certain section of society. Wot a larf, eh?
@Siranoxz Considering that Europe as a whole has to deal with Russia, it is essential that we keep the UK as far away as possible from anything related to european security. Lets not forget that their russian HoL member will get access to all information the UK gains by "working with Europe" (aka gaining money and control as a non-member)
Thanks very much Max. I would like to see the UK back. Extreme rights are present in Brussels 😡. We have to teach these ones that we are all patriots and Europeans
On that point, about five or so years ago, nationalists from all over Europe congregated in London to form the international convention (maybe brotherhood) of nationalists. I just thaughts that was hilarious.
Geez, Candida, you sound like a Moscow muppet. There are plenty of extreme right in the UK. In fact, the UK is one of the greatest bunch of nationalists and supremacists on this earth. Have you forgotten that Farage had been a member of the EU parliament for years until they pulled off brexit?
While readmission to the EU is a preferable outcome in the long term, the immediate priority is to improve diplomatic relations with the EU and get smaller arrangements to arrest further economic problems. It'll take years (beyond this parliamentary term for sure) and a lot of good will to re-enter. Let's focus on the groundwork and see what we can salvage. Labour has its work cut out with the EU.
Does any European country want Great Britain back into the Club? No European country is in a mess similar to that of Britain and no European country is depending on Britaim for anything of importance.The English nationalist mindset which led to Brexit is such that it will take a generation or two of the British educational system teaching truth to counter the propaganda that the British have a special superior position in the scheme of continental and world affairs. I eagerly await a new curriculum in the British educational system , one of truth enabling people to evaluate the conditions and problems that affect them and not the propaganda previously dished out to the population which, the majority of which ,had neither the intelligence or knowledge to evaluate or question the truth of matters presented to them people .
Starmer and our Prime Minister are going to watch footie tonight together.. only the second half cause they will be in the meeting still for the first. But football and beer is a good way to start talking again
The relationship will improve. The UK is just not part of the club. And club membership is not a revolving door: in, out, in, out. The UK needs to become a cooperative and well-behaving rule-taker. Most important of all, is not the UK. Most important is that the EU does not exist to prop up the UK's ailing economy. It is a peace project. Peace through economic cooperation and the UK has ALWAYS sabotaged cooperation in the EU.
There‘s absolutely no need for negotiations between the UK and the EU. These negotiations already happened and the TCA was the negotiated result. It‘s necessary that the UK implements what was negotiated with that deal!
Mmmm..not so sure. For a start they're acting like adults... bit by bit they'll burn the stupidity and ill manners of Brexit out. Things will get easier and friendships will be renewed.
It is just simple enough that we have grown ups in government after years of childish bullies. Sadly, some like Francois and Braverman kept their seats and others still wield power despite losing their seat as Johnson had already raised them to the Lords, Fabricant, Mogg etc, but the tides are turning at last.
I think the UK needs to have a very deep and serious think about what its economic strategy is going to be and how this will best serve the interests of the entire country in the future, whether we rejoin or don’t rejoin. A big issue for the UK is that it has such a large trade deficit with EU states, largely due to an imbalance of trade in goods & services. If we want to get the most out of any potential future EU membership we really need to put in time and bandwidth required to make sure our economy can deliver real performance and prosperity where we need it.
Max,britian needs to honour and implement all that they have agreed with the EU in the withdrawal agreement first and foremost before they start looking for more. Britain stock is very low and the EU has it's own work to do without cleaning up the brexshit mess, with no thanks from the exceptionals
I voted Labour to improve our chances of a return to full membership of the EU. I predict that if Labour refuses the will of the people, Labour will only be in power for five years. Labour has nothing to fear by rejoining the EU, but refusal to listen to the people will be their downfall.
Wrong. The UK has nothing to say about rejoining. It can apply to join, but then it has to comply and follow the rules. The UK has shown itself untrustworthy concerning follow rules such as in the brexit agreement. Besides that, there is no measure of any democratic desire on the part of the British to even join the EU. It is utter self-deception if you think the British have that desire. There is no indication of support to rejoin at any level. And let us be clear, no returning to any special exceptions. Also, we do not even want the UK back so it is all moot.
The key, I believe to get doubters on your side, and convinced their better outside Europe, even though the UK ecomony is pooer since leaving. Is, the Prime Minister, to be seen regularly informing the public of the progress as the recovery begins. Keep the public informed. Telling it straight. The public will respect for the truth. Its about credibility, honesty, which sadly, has been missing in British politics for year's.
Unfortunately the public have already created the damage on this. If we are allowed back in it is very likely that we will not regain the veto that we had and we will lose our own sovereign money, not that we seem to be wanting to use it as we could for say investment.
Are you sure you are not thinking of the veto power the UK has in the UN Security Council ? Because inside the EU ALL member states have the same veto rights.
Or did you think of the non-participation clause ("opt-out") through which Ireland still is outside the Schengen agreement and Denmark kept their currency?
@@torre6721 potentially one issue could be the UK rejoining and joining the Schengen zone, while having a pretty open border with Ireland which is outside the Schengen zone. How this is solved would be a subject for negotiation - depending on whether Ireland was willing to join the Schengen zone.
@@katywalker8322If both countries are member states of the EU Ireland's opt-out has no impact on FoM for people because it is one of the four freedoms of the EU anyway.
The conservative party 14 year reign is the reason why the EU called UK endless troublemakers because through several prime ministers in prevois 14 years lef to brexit as the conservative politicians think the EU isn't good enough of benefiting the arrangements throughout the relationship between the UK and the EU
Starmer has already limited the degree to which the UK negotiates with the EU. No CU, no single market, no freedom of movement, he also adds that there will be no rejoining of the EU in his lifetime. So he is pretty much making only cosmetic changes to the UK's relationship with Europe (which are not dependent on EU membership). I hope that the UK rejoins the Erasmus project which is so important for young students. As a lawyer, I hope he abandons this ludicrous idea of leaving ECHR that the Tories were persuing. TBH I do not have a great deal of expectation with Starmer and the EU for the above reasons. I hope he is pressured by the revitalised Lib Dems and Green Party on European issues..
The access to the EU market is good and welcoming to most in GB. The free movement of people is a problem. In GB many don't see the inseparable agreement and view an EU citizen like an illegal that jumped off a lorry looking for the nearest benefits office. The figures clearly show that the majority are law abiding and tax payers. Embrace the European project, or don't. EU is not perfect it will never be, working to improve from within is key.
Why would Labour listen to the ERG? I think we can safely assume that isn’t going to happen. Labour will out the UK in the bus back towards the EU, it might take time to get to the final destination but each stop delivers improvement.
@@matthewrice3432At least I - amongst many others who prefer to look forward rather than back - miss you guys in the EU. The moment you reapply I'd encourage my people to welcome you with open arms.
The truth is the US wants the UK in Europe. Only the orange one stated he didn't but he chose to not help Brexiteers. You have to ask whether Trump really was pro-Brexit. The UK no ifs or buts must rejoin as soon, as is reasonably, possible.
"No longer flinging mud" isn't enough. Acknowledging they did fling mud and all parties not flinging mud in the future would be enough. Or they won't admit to anything.
the Labours need to stabilize the economy in order to have the unquestionable political support from the ppl to make a new referendum. A new brexit referendum now would be a joke for everyone who voted the Labors to fix the cost of living.
Scotland isnt represented in uk anyway so brexiter fear mongering about sovereignty wasn't an issue.. hadn't bited tory since '55. Scotland in a "voluntary union" its not allowed out of lol
I don't think there is a great deal of animosity between the UK and the EU. The EU doesn't negotiate with outside countries and i think everyone knows that. There's nothing wrong with either side accepting that. It shouldn't have got to this state but both sides misstepped as has been admitted by senior people in the EU and UK. I dont see the UK diverging that much but i don't see it trying to rejoin within a generation. Leaving wasted too much political time and capital and rejoining would be infinitely worse. It's not a huge issue. We are where we are.
There are still of lot of voters who have been led to believe we're better off without the EU and there are the problems with the rich who run the press. ERG and the like haven't gone away, they've just lurking in the shadows. While there is still money to be made by a few individuals from not being in the rest of us will have to suffer. Support Labour 👍🏼✌🏼❤️😀
Referendums have _never_ been a requirement in the UK. We have elected representatives, meant to be informed by established experts, who are intended to vote on our behalf in Parliamentary decisions. This is why our referendums are only advisory; meant to test the general opinion of the electorate, and _not_ a legitimate decision making tool. The history of referendums shows just how easily they are manipulated by populist opinion, informed not by facts, but by the media. We should be cautious not to have more referendums or, if we do, they need to be controlled by mechanisms, like required majorities, in order to protect the status quo. What we really need to do is get rid of Royal Prerogative; a government should _never_ be allowed to make massive decisions without consulting Parliament.
The EU does not exist to prop up ailing economies like the UK. And just because a country wants a better economy is not a good enough reason to let them join the EU. If you think it is about the economy, than you do not belong in the EU.
What options are the least weaponizable by the remaining extreme Tories or Farage? Do what you can to improve the relationship without reopening the debate, realign and work with Europe on areas of common interest, and don't create new barriers. Show that working with Europe is beneficial, and wait for time to deal with the extremists.
The new government is slowly but surely paving the way to make this possible but one of two other things are going to need to happen before rejoining. Either the Conservative party needs to completely abandon Brexit or they need to be replaced as main opposition by the liberal Democrats or some other pro EU party.
@@Nickbaldeagle02the eu doesn't have a president. The 3 bodies of the EU have a "president", which means chairman. None of them has the power to make any decision on their own, so any opinion given is either personal (as UvdL did a few months ago) or diplomatic. So far, all the signals coming from all EU sides are in the direction of what Juncker said, be it he exagerated a bit.
Britain talks about "unelected" bureaucrats. There are no unelected members of the European Parliament but there IS the unelected House of Lords in Britain.
@@batcollins3714 which has advisory powers only.
Only the elected House can initiate and approve legislation.
Brexit/Johnson/Trump are the benefits of elections
The biggest danger to all democracies is the gullibility/ignorance of the electorate.
ehm.. and dont forget whitehall... who elected them? since when are bureaucrats elected?
@@cowbanchalam9725 Don't forget the current King of England has interfered in legislation and benefited in doing so.
Dont bother, the brexiters are thick as mud. they were all expecting a huge boost to their wages once FoM was stopped, but most are whining about immigrants still. dont even give them the time of day.
the british are subjects!! we are citizens, I swore an aligiance to the people and Portuguese constitution and they lecture us on democracy ??? ROTFL stay out of the EU we do not want you back
Business is the key. A government that will actually LISTEN to them about what they need is a big plus
how about an apology TO EVERY EU Citizen living in the UK at the time and called a "Bargoning chip, a que Jumper, and a citizen of no where" THAT WOULD BE A START !!! Apart from just thinking about your pockets !!
True and now there complaining about other migrants .ive heard people like this in 30s Germany .I shiver every time i hear farage and his henchmen .throwing insults at Brussels was playground stuff and bloody foolish to say the least it was a good job the eu acted like adults or they could have dropped the uk in crap .
No apologies are due. It was the EU that robbed the UK, not vice versa.
@@paullarne Cr*p.
@@Bertrum123 I am all for "normali relations with them (whatever that means!!) BUT I DO NOT TRUST THE BRITISH WITH ANYTHING!! and have fealt first hand what they are like !! .NEVER LET THEM BACK IN TO THE EU EVER !!!
@@Bertrum123why would they need to bother when bozo did a high dive right into it.
Somehow Nigel will fuck it up.
He might end up in court like Trump before long.
no, when he was on the outside yes but no he is on the inside, and soon the people who voted for him will see how rubbish and lazy he is
Without the BBC people would have forgotten all about Farage long ago - that’s how Establishment the little shite actually is and how gullible the Reformed Turd voter has been …
Well said , he will
@@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt The people who voted for him aren't exactly the brightest. They thought Farage is anti-establishment when the smallest amount of research shows the dude is as establishment as they get.
Led by Donkeys has a great video on him, highly recommend it
Why a future Conservative government? We need them to be out for at least two terms.
PR?
Labour won because Reform split the right wing vote. Never underestimate the power of the press and the power of human stupidity
@@DrMontague
After nearly FIFTEEN years of TORY RULE, taxes are the highest they have been since the end of the Second World War, while the same TORY administration has managed to INCREASE the UK's Debt/GDP ratio to more than 100%.
That might be the REASON why "...there is never any money!"
Dont forget , as soon as Labour or any other government has solved the issues buissness has with brexit all the buissness owners will be back to voting Tory.
You will never get rid of them.
I mean, without the tories, everything is possible.
Marina Purkiss said it some time ago.. and I have also.. brexit improves with every layer you remove
Rejoin is impossible for the UK. There is no system for "rejoin", there is only a system of applying for membership and going to the back of the queue.
So true. Even clean waters, imagine that!
yeah... but the tories still exist, dont they? what if they win the next election? do you think the eu wants to negotiate with labour for years, just to see it torn to shreds by the next government? the uk as a whole - INCLUDING the tories - have to come to a consensus first, before negotiations make any sense.
... and dont tell me about the fantastic labour victory. the tories and reform combined had 50% of the vote... and these 50% are hardcore anti-eu. and this doesnt mean that the other 50% are pro-eu either... with or without the tories.
@@Richard_Turner Yes, Marina Purkiss is fabulous, she consistently destroys the capitalist/ right wing/ farage/ brexit b.s
"no longer slinging mud".
So finally getting to the point of no longer behaving like a 6 year old.
The real improvement will come when this new ukgov shows knowledge about the EU, and not blabber about " not returning to sm/cu" when that isn't even an option.
The moment they start being honest with their own population they can be taken seriously.
I think they were people voted them in .
To be honest starmer has never talked about rejoining because he lives in the real world. At present we meet less than half of the Copenhagen criteria so the whole want to rejoin is moot
what.......like a 6yr old who lost a referendum you mean ?
@@user-eu4zy6rm3l only a 6 year old would come with such a reply and caracature.
School closed for holidays?
@@user-eu4zy6rm3l You mean like the other leave referendum and they kept slinging mud like a 6 year old until they got another referendum in 2016?
Marina Purkiss said it some time ago and i agree fully, brexit improves with every layer you remove
Why would the EU agree to do any deals with Labour when they know that the Tories will undo them the next time they are in power?
There won’t be any substantial deals.
There are no deals to be made. The EU benefits are for EU members. The UK will not have its cake and eat it. There will be no cherry picking. This is about the EU and not about whichever party holds dictatorial sway over the UK at any given moment in time.
It’s been literal days, can’t expect miracles in that time. But the incoming government striking a more conciliatory tone toward the EU is the right step, because the previous government’s approach certainly didn’t work.
As long as the British remember that the negotiations are over and done with.
Starmer has made it pretty clear what Lammy isn’t doing. Making the first steps to rejoining..
This is about clarifying what we can do as third country.
Yes its boring,
Starmer promised boring.
Starmer is a lair let's see if he put country over party, I can see Brexit bring him down too
Praise be to boring!
Small steps lead to a long journey. Start off with the easiest things to resolve, and then move onto the other stuff from a position of improved strength.
Agreed. UK under Labour must be convincing as trustworthy, pragmatic and humble before any meaningful progress can be made.
Having some goodwill because you stopped insulting then other party does not "improve strength".
Nothing the UK as a small party can do will make them have "strength" in a negotiation with the multiplentimes larger EU.
Absolutely.
@@chriswood3252 "trustworthy, pragmatic and humble" Well we know for a fact the EU is none of those, so no deal.
@@paullarne 🥱
it wont happen soon..but i want it to just to hear Farage sick as a parrot!!!!
Farage makes any parrot look rational; Farage is already as sick as a Farage.
Watched and listened Sir Kier today. Already showing how much of a statesman he is. So impressed already. Such contrast with the totally inept PM's we have had to put with over the last 14+ years.
thank GOD we dont have to think of the ERG anymore!
They will be shouting betrayal on the sidelines.
Why is that?
@@willoke8 because they are now not anywhere near the levers of power
@@jonzu217 they can whine all they want, it wont give them a seat in the government
It's time they went away and found a new hobby.
As Phil pointed out in his video, Starmer never said they wont rejoin the EU, the guardian did.
Starmer is just Sunak v2.0. Very little difference.
@@Oil2024have you been paying attention for the last week.
@@verystripeyzebra yes, I have. That's precisely the reason why I say what I say. Like Sunak, Starmer is a brexiteer with the only difference being that he is more willing to comply to the EU terms. But that's it. He does not want to rejoin, is a partidaire of the stupid "english exceptionalism" idea and, in practice - i.e., financial support to local businesses, management of internal revenue and social programs, etc - is more of the same compared to Sunak. You see, even being from different parties, Sunak - contrary to Boris, May or Truss, was centre-right while Starmer is centre-left. They converge more than they diverge and they are much more similar than they are different. Hence: Starmer is little more than Sunak v2.0. Same shit from two different baskets. Sorry, mate. I really hate to burst you bubble, but...
@@Oil2024 well I totally disagree with your analysis.
Totally missing the fascistic tendencies of the Tories, their willingness to break international law and their desire to trash our rights.
Childish belligerent incompetency replaced with serious governing.
@@verystripeyzebra I wasn't comparing Starmer with "the tries" nor comparing "labour" with "tories". I was comparing - individually - Sunak with Starmer. You're free to disagree but I'd sure would like to know WHY you disagree. An actual rational and observable reason - like I did above - for you to disagree. Who knows... maybe if your reasons are compelling enough, I'll change my mind. But, up until now: Starmer is a brexiteer, who once was a supporter of a "no deal" brexit and I don't revise myself on this sort of politics. He is not "labour" enough for me. There.
It makes very basic sense for the UK to focus on relations with its neighbors, not countries across the ocean. But there will almost certainly be no "re-entry". Britain needs to accept the consequences of its actions. It left, it still has not even met the requirements of the current deal (TCA), and has been hostile since 2016. The UK threatened previous longstanding agreements, the Good Friday Agreement, it threatened to "starve Ireland" (Home Secretary Patel)....
So the chances of the UK even being considered for membership are....non-existent.
..... for now.
@@matthewrice3432 And when will that change?
Please remember, the EU has rules about joining. Not options. Rules.
It also has a veto. One single country stops an application. No retries. Finished.
At the very least, say goodbye to Gibraltar, to the Elgin Marbles and to any illusions you may have had about special privileges.
But the most likely scenario remains: Never.
@@deannilvalli6579 ...nah.
@@matthewrice3432 Convincing argument. You must be some sort of professor or something. It sounds like you have a detailed command of the intricacies of EU law, the Maastricht Treaty, Lisbon Treaty, Copenhagen Criteria, and recent events such as the hostile negotiation tactics of the UK.
@@deannilvalli6579 oh, and you do, do you?
Visiting Germany and complying with the Copenhagen criteria are two different things.
Mr. Lammy visiting Germany was only interesting for the UK side and some UA-camrs.
In Germany, it was hardly mentioned by any media and the German Foreign Ministry didn't even find it worthy to be mentioned on their homepage with a short notice! Nothing!
Out means out!
@@uweinhamburgof course something so mundane wouldn't be noticed in Germany.
But for UK, the return of common sense is a huge event.
@@verystripeyzebra LOL 👍
I don’t think that the current relationship could get worse.
It can only improve.
But that doesn’t mean that there’ll be a new deal.
Yep. There may be some minor tweaks. Nothing major. That will not happen until all mainstream parties in UK agree.
Why would EU offer more entanglement when the hassle of disentangling is only one election away.
At somepoint the UK will rejoin the EU, because if you want a better trade deal and elimate the problems then you must accept the EU demands
It's not even demands.
It's mutually benificial standards to achieve benifits for the block.
We voted to leave. A50 states if we want to join again…join the back of the queue.
@@johnrussell3961 Its strange why Brexit Peasants voted Leave over fake Brexit benefits by the Tories
no, what makes you think that we will not accept, remember the EU is a British idea, something went very wrong with our minds in 2016, now that we have had a good slapping of reality, I think we will have our minds back and we will not be the same as we were,
Out means out!
Stay out!
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It will be a slow process but at least there are grown ups in power and not ideological wingnuts
She's good.
Any move towards closer cooperation with the EU has to be welcomed as BREXIT is the biggest drag on the economy and therefore hindrance to the growth everyone's aiming for. Even if not fully rejoining almost anything has to be an improvement on the current situation.
It will also be hilarious watching Brexit supporters and the Brexiteer press screaming like small children who've finally been told no as they try to find a benefit, any benefit, of leaving the EU.
Lammy isn’t talking about reversing Brexit.
@@johnrussell3961 Indeed but as I said anything has to be an improvement on the current situation.
@@kiino001 . Far too many are reading too much into this. Like Max.
@@johnrussell3961maybe you’re not reading enough into it?
@@MIEJ4 . No….you are reading too much into it.,
Improving the relationship? Sure but it's your move, UK. Renegotiating better deals? Not on the table, unless the UK has something substantial to offer the EU. Does the UK have that? Nope.
Political stability & consensus on EU membership are years away.
It's extremely naive to think Starmer has any intention of ever implementing electoral reform that would damage the Tory/Torylite duopoly.
Even if he was honest in that regard it's something for the next parliament at the very earliest.
The alternative route is that the opposition come to their senses re: EU membership or there's a new as well as settled opposition - this is probably 2 parliamennts away at a minimum.
Leave voters & 2019 Tory voters are thinning out at such a rate that I can see the Tories changing course before Starmer gets around to electoral reform.
With settling the matter politically looking more like 2 parliaments away at a minimum it does make sense to do as much as possible as a 3rd nation.
It's not as if tangible gains can't be made from such a dire position so rather than banging their heads against a Brexity wall of obstinate ignorance that's going to die off at a significant rate over the next few years it's a better use of time to build bridges as a 3rd nation rather than show ourselves up by reopening a Brexit debate that can't take us anywhere meaningful in this parliament anyway.
It's tough for older Remainers but their generation failed & has had generally appalling voting habits for decades that mean the UK can't realistically apply to rejoin until a significant number of that generation are no longer with us.
You can blame Leave voters but Remainers have been just as obstinate in their refusal to alter their losing strategies in so many elections since the referendum.
First, the UK needs to meet the Copenhagen Criteria. At the moment, it doesn’t meet even HALF of them.
Second, the country needs a written constitution with clear separation of powers, and an electoral system with some element of Proportional Representation(PR)
Written constitutions don't solve everything. Just ask the Russians.
@@SennethLawrencemaybe it doesn't, but if it is a requirement it is a requirement.
@@SennethLawrence Or even better. the US.
@@SennethLawrence
And the USA????
1) How have you determined that the UK doesn't meet half of the Copenhagen criteria? Is that an assessment made by an expert or you as an individual?
2) The Uk already has separation of powers. The supreme Court is independent of government, isn't appointed by the executive, the executive and the head of state aren't fulfilled by the same figure - those roles are filled by separate figures.
Whatever progress that Labour makes (and I don't expect it to be much whilst the UK remains a 3rd country); that progress sticks because Brexit has zero compensating benefits.
The only argument that Brexiteers have to offer - is all huff, with no puff.
Oh I don't know border controls are😊 piss poor "puff" is almost certainly available. Along with anything else people chose to send since we have no border controls
The EU does not want the UK to rejoin, especially not with all the exceptions the UK had when it was a member.
Fixing this relationship is the most obvious thing Starmer can do. Long hanging fruit in extremists.
They didn't much like us when we were paying members, they like us even less now we're gone. Time to forget the EU.
Re your headline.
Things can hardly get any worse.
The only way is up.
We did the right thing. Being out is the only way up.
Hopefully, positive moves with our European neighbours.
What has changed? Just a bit of symbolic gestures but what can you realistically expect after just a week of a new government after 14 years of wasted time
EU doesn't want us back (understandably) ... the bigger powers in EU found us to be endless troublemakers. EU is stronger without us.
While we stagnate and lose out .. we serve as an example to other EU countries not to follow our route.
I agree, but I don't want to be described as part of the 'us' you refer to. There are many many people in the UK who are certainly not trouble makers when it comes to the EU...it's just that shouty troublemakers get lots of platform in the media to project their stance. I'm sure much of the EU acknowledge that. I don't think I'll ever fully recover when it comes to bloody brexit.
Is this the same EU that had 12 countries and 30% of World GDP in 1992 and now has 27 countries and 14% of World GDP and still falling? Not a good example to be following is it?
@@paullarnebetter than the sick man of Europe for sure
@@LudwigVaanArthans We were once the sick man ourselves, after we joined the EEC. Now it's Germany. It turns out teaching the Chinese to make decent cars wasn't such a great move after all!
@@paullarne The difference is Germany has minor structural issues and they had to rebuild East Germany; the UK is husk of a country governed for 14 years by incompetents overseeing little in the way of economic activity besides their shrinking share of the services sector and known more for rivers of raw sewage than anything substantive. Germany is experiencing part of a cycle and will come back as they have before; the UK is spiraling into the toilet bowl and the real hope of Labour is they will slow down the rate of decline but it won't be reversed until you fix your education system.
No longer the laughing stock of the world.
At last the British 'Prime Minister' indicates someone to be respected
yeah you still are
I doubt it very much. Time will tell we are still in the first week
According to insiders Brexit is set as candidate for the UNESCO World Heritage List!
Here we go only a week and the sour grapes at least reform didnt get the votes they were expecting 4 and they think they have beaten the tories there not even a democratic party they cant even vote in there leader .they think there coming for labour starmer will eat farage up and show what a snake ooil salesmen he is hes not to good at facts is our nigel lets see if dose anything for clacton be interesting to see him do something for anyone else othere than himself .but at least galloway went 7:29 @@doreenhollywood74597:29
@@peterebel7899😂
What, for "minority decision made"? 😎
There's some measures that might mean that it might be difficult to see any way forward for us to rejoin the EU - I am a little bit wary about rejoining too quickly and because of the situation of uncertainty with the EU itself! I don't think that we will see any quick fix - some of these instances may help ease a possible way back. It's going to take several years - if not some decades. I have suspected at least 30 to 50 years after a reapplication! I don't think that I will be there to see it happen! Many of us, won't be.
Us Europeans are done with the UK. We have put up with too much nonsense the last few years to ever let them back into the fold and any suggestion otherwise is just cope.
Are you the new speaker of the EU??
European? be specific. Is CCHQ your home address?
The UK is nowhere near asking to return to the EU and possibly won't ever reach that point. Starmer is trying to improve the relationship, which won't be too hard considering how bad the Tories made it. Surely this is a good thing? The scope for improvement is small but he's trying to explore what might be mutually beneficial. I'm surprised you have a problem with that.
In Brussels and across the EU, the UK remains a mistrusted potential future partner based on the experience of dealing with Tory governments since Brexit 2016. The EU maintains a long view on its policy development and strategic trade relations. Who is to say the Tories won't be back in government in 4 or five years should Labour flounder. It will take many, many years before the EU even considers a application by the UK to rejoin. In the meantime the UK can consider status EFTA member Norway enjoys with the EU, single market access with no decision making privileges while obeying all EU rules.
Won't be possible = Norway and Iceland are stating since years, that they'll veto the UK joining EFTA, because they don't want a "trouble maker in their club".
EUs SM/EEA is available for EU and EFTA member states ONLY, according to article 126 of the EEA Agreement.
EEA = EUs SM
NOT negotiatable !!
To be fair, the EU is widely considered to be untrustworthy in the UK and has done many things to encourage that view over the last 8 years, and indeed previously.
@@paullarneit's all good, once EuroClearing is done, your city of London can also enjoy all the Brexit benefits like the rest of the inhabitants of the sick man of Europe and you can be fully sovereign with all your non-elected leaders
@@paullarne So you didn't get the cake you wanted. Yeah, then stay away from us.
@@Harry-tb8yo Defend yourselves and learn Russian.
The European institutions are on a bit of a hiatus at the moment. The European parliament will start it's 10th legislature next week in Strasbourg and then it must elect the president of the commission. The UK delegation D-UK will not meet until at least September. Add to this that the presidency is currently held by Hungary.....
The most important time will the review of the TCA starting in May 2026. Cyprus will have the council presidency then but it will the pass over to .... wait for it .... Ireland in July 2026. This will be a very interesting time. It will probably be my last year working in the European Parliament before retirement.
sooo, are you going to be joining and leaving every few years? I'm not sure how that's supposed to work
😂
Yes.
I'm very interested to see how the EU reacts to the new UK government. Warmer relations will be a welcome change. But, the UK still haven't implemented their side of the agreement fully. I can't imagine the EU will be open to actually doing much other than talking until the agreement has been fully implemented. When the agreement was struck, the expectation was that the UK was acting in good faith, so it shouldn't matter which party is in power.
The UK is a third country. It was told quite clearly when it left that club benefits are only for club members. No having cake and eating it. No cherry picking. Here's them rules, follow them.
Britain doesn't meet the Criteria for joining. Ireland needed the uk in 1961 and 1972 to join the EEC. Britain didn't meet the criteria then either.
Thats not the Case today.
Seriously? You expect to be trust because you changed government? Try not being shitty towards us for like, at least 20 years first, then maybe.
It's geopolitics not some jilted lover.
Well trust has to be earned. And I think it will be.
Don’t worry EUers this guy is talking codswallop. The common man in Britain has spoken. We do not want to be in the EU.
So the ex wife is financially struggling and wants her ex husband back…..EU says no thanks
Totally inappropriate analogy.
This is geopolitics not some romance gone bad.
We're nowhere near that stage. I wish we were but most people in the UK are not serious about the country even aiming to eventually apply to join.
Considering that Europe as a whole has to deal with Russia, it is essential that the UK has to work with Europe whether it joins the EU or not..
In many ways the UK has the same social issues of self-image that lead to Russia's current behavior. Both countries live in a past where they dominated their respective empires by force and don't quite understand why other countries are not as enthusiastic about bringing that time back.
@@Taladar2003Because it no longer exists. By the early 1980s, the British empire consisted of a scattered collection of islands, often separated from each other by hundreds of kilometres. The UK is a medium sized country in north Western Europe, either it recognised that fact and makes common cause with close neighbours to address matters of common interest and concern to devise effective solutions for mutual benefit, or it persists with deluded fantasy.
@@Taladar2003What you have said may be true of some older, probably wealthy/posh Brits, but its not true for all of us. I'm old (74) and don't think about the Empire at all, it doesn't figure in my political thoughts or even my emotional ones. I remember being amused back in the seventies when lots of older people were up in arms about all the immigrants from Kenya after Amin chucked them out, but they all had British passports. Seemed to me that if you run other countries and make the citizens there 'British subjects', y😊ou can't complain if they all want to come 'home' to Britain...
@@mjwilliamsb2676ah yes, but they weren't the right KIND of British passport, they were issued to the f***y w***ies (as corporal jones used to say) on the condition they WOULDN'T use them to come "home"😂. This cunning plan didn't work, much to the bemusement of a certain section of society. Wot a larf, eh?
@Siranoxz
Considering that Europe as a whole has to deal with Russia, it is essential that we keep the UK as far away as possible from anything related to european security.
Lets not forget that their russian HoL member will get access to all information the UK gains by "working with Europe" (aka gaining money and control as a non-member)
Thanks very much Max. I would like to see the UK back. Extreme rights are present in Brussels 😡. We have to teach these ones that we are all patriots and Europeans
On that point, about five or so years ago, nationalists from all over Europe congregated in London to form the international convention (maybe brotherhood) of nationalists. I just thaughts that was hilarious.
Geez, Candida, you sound like a Moscow muppet. There are plenty of extreme right in the UK. In fact, the UK is one of the greatest bunch of nationalists and supremacists on this earth. Have you forgotten that Farage had been a member of the EU parliament for years until they pulled off brexit?
While readmission to the EU is a preferable outcome in the long term, the immediate priority is to improve diplomatic relations with the EU and get smaller arrangements to arrest further economic problems.
It'll take years (beyond this parliamentary term for sure) and a lot of good will to re-enter. Let's focus on the groundwork and see what we can salvage.
Labour has its work cut out with the EU.
Does any European country want Great Britain back into the Club? No European country is in a mess similar to that of Britain and no European country is depending on Britaim for anything of importance.The English nationalist mindset which led to Brexit is such that it will take a generation or two of the British educational system teaching truth to counter the propaganda that the British have a special superior position in the scheme of continental and world affairs. I eagerly await a new curriculum in the British educational system , one of truth enabling people to evaluate the conditions and problems that affect them and not the propaganda previously dished out to the population which, the majority of which ,had neither the intelligence or knowledge to evaluate or question the truth of matters presented to them people .
Starmer and our Prime Minister are going to watch footie tonight together.. only the second half cause they will be in the meeting still for the first. But football and beer is a good way to start talking again
The relationship will improve. The UK is just not part of the club. And club membership is not a revolving door: in, out, in, out. The UK needs to become a cooperative and well-behaving rule-taker. Most important of all, is not the UK. Most important is that the EU does not exist to prop up the UK's ailing economy. It is a peace project. Peace through economic cooperation and the UK has ALWAYS sabotaged cooperation in the EU.
It is not important what you say. It is important that you do as you say.
There‘s absolutely no need for negotiations between the UK and the EU. These negotiations already happened and the TCA was the negotiated result.
It‘s necessary that the UK implements what was negotiated with that deal!
They are of huge diplomatic importance.
@@verystripeyzebra
Why?
@@geraldwagner8739 because it's not belligerent spoilt children just saying no.
Exactly, the EU have no interest in having any negotiations with the UK. Labour won't improve Brexit any better than the Tory did.
Mmmm..not so sure. For a start they're acting like adults... bit by bit they'll burn the stupidity and ill manners of Brexit out. Things will get easier and friendships will be renewed.
Go back to sleep.
It is just simple enough that we have grown ups in government after years of childish bullies. Sadly, some like Francois and Braverman kept their seats and others still wield power despite losing their seat as Johnson had already raised them to the Lords, Fabricant, Mogg etc, but the tides are turning at last.
We do have a defense pact - it is called NATO. Did you forget?
There should be a Brentry Minister
Or an in-out-in-out-shake it all about minister.
Brejoin
Prejoin Department.
Why would you want to waste 5 years of salary plus pension on a person without a task?
I think the UK needs to have a very deep and serious think about what its economic strategy is going to be and how this will best serve the interests of the entire country in the future, whether we rejoin or don’t rejoin. A big issue for the UK is that it has such a large trade deficit with EU states, largely due to an imbalance of trade in goods & services. If we want to get the most out of any potential future EU membership we really need to put in time and bandwidth required to make sure our economy can deliver real performance and prosperity where we need it.
Max,britian needs to honour and implement all that they have agreed with the EU in the withdrawal agreement first and foremost before they start looking for more. Britain stock is very low and the EU has it's own work to do without cleaning up the brexshit mess, with no thanks from the exceptionals
I voted Labour to improve our chances of a return to full membership of the EU. I predict that if Labour refuses the will of the people, Labour will only be in power for five years. Labour has nothing to fear by rejoining the EU, but refusal to listen to the people will be their downfall.
Wrong. The UK has nothing to say about rejoining. It can apply to join, but then it has to comply and follow the rules. The UK has shown itself untrustworthy concerning follow rules such as in the brexit agreement. Besides that, there is no measure of any democratic desire on the part of the British to even join the EU. It is utter self-deception if you think the British have that desire. There is no indication of support to rejoin at any level. And let us be clear, no returning to any special exceptions. Also, we do not even want the UK back so it is all moot.
The key, I believe to get doubters on your side, and convinced their better outside Europe, even though the UK ecomony is pooer since leaving. Is, the Prime Minister, to be seen regularly informing the public of the progress as the recovery begins. Keep the public informed. Telling it straight. The public will respect for the truth. Its about credibility, honesty, which sadly, has been missing in British politics for year's.
Unfortunately the public have already created the damage on this. If we are allowed back in it is very likely that we will not regain the veto that we had and we will lose our own sovereign money, not that we seem to be wanting to use it as we could for say investment.
Are you sure you are not thinking of the veto power the UK has in the UN Security Council ? Because inside the EU ALL member states have the same veto rights.
Or did you think of the non-participation clause ("opt-out") through which Ireland still is outside the Schengen agreement and Denmark kept their currency?
@@torre6721 Apologies. Quite right. I thought it applied to Germany, France and the UK but as you say, it applies to all member states.
@@torre6721 potentially one issue could be the UK rejoining and joining the Schengen zone, while having a pretty open border with Ireland which is outside the Schengen zone.
How this is solved would be a subject for negotiation - depending on whether Ireland was willing to join the Schengen zone.
@@katywalker8322If both countries are member states of the EU Ireland's opt-out has no impact on FoM for people because it is one of the four freedoms of the EU anyway.
What widening of the far right? All the tories we have just sacked were far right.
Well I think 🤔 it's about time ⏲️ we had a grown up Government who are willing to work with other grown up Government's
"Talking like grownups" vs "flinging mud"
England must admit defeat in brexit fsiled gamble and sue for peace eith Europe.
The country is The UK.
The conservative party 14 year reign is the reason why the EU called UK endless troublemakers because through several prime ministers in prevois 14 years lef to brexit as the conservative politicians think the EU isn't good enough of benefiting the arrangements throughout the relationship between the UK and the EU
Starmer has already limited the degree to which the UK negotiates with the EU. No CU, no single market, no freedom of movement, he also adds that there will be no rejoining of the EU in his lifetime. So he is pretty much making only cosmetic changes to the UK's relationship with Europe (which are not dependent on EU membership). I hope that the UK rejoins the Erasmus project which is so important for young students. As a lawyer, I hope he abandons this ludicrous idea of leaving ECHR that the Tories were persuing. TBH I do not have a great deal of expectation with Starmer and the EU for the above reasons. I hope he is pressured by the revitalised Lib Dems and Green Party on European issues..
The access to the EU market is good and welcoming to most in GB. The free movement of people is a problem. In GB many don't see the inseparable agreement and view an EU citizen like an illegal that jumped off a lorry looking for the nearest benefits office. The figures clearly show that the majority are law abiding and tax payers.
Embrace the European project, or don't. EU is not perfect it will never be, working to improve from within is key.
"The access to the EU market is good"
The UK has access to the EU market! It's called the TCA!
It called, electing grownups for a change.
They stopped believing Bozo, then they saw Truss then Sunak, hardly surprising.
Very easy to messed up, not easy to fix it up!!
It's not often you see big muckle door closers like that these days...concealed perco hinges are more commonplace. Other than that, well said Max.
Why would Labour listen to the ERG? I think we can safely assume that isn’t going to happen. Labour will out the UK in the bus back towards the EU, it might take time to get to the final destination but each stop delivers improvement.
Yeah, wrecking your own businesses probably isn't a good idea.
We have not in my life time from Starmer and then what seems to be back to UK cherry-pick.
They will not have us back.
Eventually they might, so we should at least try.
@@matthewrice3432At least I - amongst many others who prefer to look forward rather than back - miss you guys in the EU. The moment you reapply I'd encourage my people to welcome you with open arms.
@@bjornrathje746 cheers bjorn👍
CCHQ still in business then.
let the GROVELING commence. 🙄😮💨😔
Scotland kept🇪🇺 the EU hope alive in UK🏴. Brexit was an English thingy in reality. They bought moggs mince 😂
The truth is the US wants the UK in Europe.
Only the orange one stated he didn't but he chose to not help Brexiteers.
You have to ask whether Trump really was pro-Brexit.
The UK no ifs or buts must rejoin as soon, as is reasonably, possible.
Trump is only pro-Trump.
"The UK no ifs or buts must rejoin as soon, as is reasonably, possible."
In the year 3535, if man is still alive! Soon enough?
"No longer flinging mud" isn't enough. Acknowledging they did fling mud and all parties not flinging mud in the future would be enough. Or they won't admit to anything.
Also, the mud that has been flung and is lying dried up needs cleaned.
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Mud, when drying up, gets hard like concrete...
If you genuinely move beyond Brexit, smooth trade with Europe is vital for economic success and growth. Anything else is wilful damage.
the Labours need to stabilize the economy in order to have the unquestionable political support from the ppl to make a new referendum.
A new brexit referendum now would be a joke for everyone who voted the Labors to fix the cost of living.
TLDR: "Hopefully" we can reverse this democratic vote because this time it didn't go our way.
Hopefully however still no cherry picking allowed at all TCA-wise.
You think the EU want them back
The only way to drive Starmer’s growth growth growth agenda is to rejoin the EU but he won’t touch it with a barge pole unfortunately
Joining the EU will take, at least, 15-20 years! Probably longer.
Scotland isnt represented in uk anyway so brexiter fear mongering about sovereignty wasn't an issue.. hadn't bited tory since '55. Scotland in a "voluntary union" its not allowed out of lol
I don't think there is a great deal of animosity between the UK and the EU. The EU doesn't negotiate with outside countries and i think everyone knows that. There's nothing wrong with either side accepting that. It shouldn't have got to this state but both sides misstepped as has been admitted by senior people in the EU and UK. I dont see the UK diverging that much but i don't see it trying to rejoin within a generation. Leaving wasted too much political time and capital and rejoining would be infinitely worse. It's not a huge issue. We are where we are.
Where's Fwance?
There are still of lot of voters who have been led to believe we're better off without the EU and there are the problems with the rich who run the press.
ERG and the like haven't gone away, they've just lurking in the shadows. While there is still money to be made by a few individuals from not being in the rest of us will have to suffer. Support Labour 👍🏼✌🏼❤️😀
The Tories got 24% and Reform 10%+ so that's why labour are so stuck. Large parts of the English electorate are these gammonati.
Referendums have _never_ been a requirement in the UK. We have elected representatives, meant to be informed by established experts, who are intended to vote on our behalf in Parliamentary decisions. This is why our referendums are only advisory; meant to test the general opinion of the electorate, and _not_ a legitimate decision making tool. The history of referendums shows just how easily they are manipulated by populist opinion, informed not by facts, but by the media.
We should be cautious not to have more referendums or, if we do, they need to be controlled by mechanisms, like required majorities, in order to protect the status quo. What we really need to do is get rid of Royal Prerogative; a government should _never_ be allowed to make massive decisions without consulting Parliament.
Kier will do what ever Blair wants he owns his arse
what it got to do with him want england does bexcit in place it call democnracy is the law
A boarder poll and reunified Ireland would help with alignment as all of Britain would have the same trading rules if the boarder poll was successful.
Eh what?
I wonder why more countries keep joining the EU?? Massive economic benefits 🤔
The EU does not exist to prop up ailing economies like the UK. And just because a country wants a better economy is not a good enough reason to let them join the EU. If you think it is about the economy, than you do not belong in the EU.
It will take 10 years
Yes. I think that's about right.
What options are the least weaponizable by the remaining extreme Tories or Farage? Do what you can to improve the relationship without reopening the debate, realign and work with Europe on areas of common interest, and don't create new barriers. Show that working with Europe is beneficial, and wait for time to deal with the extremists.
The new government is slowly but surely paving the way to make this possible but one of two other things are going to need to happen before rejoining. Either the Conservative party needs to completely abandon Brexit or they need to be replaced as main opposition by the liberal Democrats or some other pro EU party.
We voted yo leave.
Politico, 4 July 2024 interview with Jean-Claude Juncker (former President of the EU Commission): UK can rejoin EU in a century or two.
Yeah well, let's ask the current president.
@@Nickbaldeagle02the eu doesn't have a president.
The 3 bodies of the EU have a "president", which means chairman.
None of them has the power to make any decision on their own, so any opinion given is either personal (as UvdL did a few months ago) or diplomatic.
So far, all the signals coming from all EU sides are in the direction of what Juncker said, be it he exagerated a bit.
This is a fair judgement.
In the meantime Brexit is set as candidate for the UNESCO World Heritage List!
Takes time to build trust. Time and small concrete steps. Let’s not expect 360 degree reversal overnight.