This phenomenon of memes normalizing fascism has always been an issue with social media, people get outright groomed by bigoted humour all the time and end up saying the most unhinged statements under the excuse of "dark humour". I did too and i turned into a horrible fucking person during my teenage years. Thank god I got out of it, i will never get into that kind of shit ever again. Edit: typo
The more frightening thing to me is just how effective the filter bubbles on social media are. I've seen 3-4 videos verifiably proving some of the claims stated. I know someone who served as a medical aid worker in haiti and I fully believe their accounts of ritualistic and sadistic abuse undertaken by a minority of individuals within the population that enjoyed exploiting culture/religion. Growing up in an american ghetto, I have known multiple kids who have had sexual and/or violent relations with animals. I could speak on ethics and my own subjective opinions on the occurrence of "undesirable traits" but statistical or heterophenomenological arguments seem beside the point. The real issue is the unfair "signal boosting" of divisive and unconstructive narratives. Both the left+right could have immediately jumped on the very real evidence and had an honest discussion but instead both are playing dumb to drive each side to hate the other.
@@Historia_Magistra_Vitae. Ah yes, the ol' reliable putting something that someone said in the FuNnY lOwErCaSe-CaPiTaL lEtTeRs trick. You sure showed him.
Seeing black people making jokes about that hurts my soul. If they think that about Haitians, trust and believe they think the same thing about you. Cause if we truly look at it, we ain't looking any differents from the Haitians. People often think i'm haitian or jamaican. So nothing funny about that, especially when all these liberals GenZ on tiktok making fun of the situation
There was a Black American man found with a rope around his neck next to a tree recently. Which is worse? Getting clowned over ridiculous stuff which takes the sting out of it because it makes light of the lack of seriousness of the complaints or incidents of being unalived that are ignored and not covered in the media?
@@allegrap1054 I bet they did that to the guy because he was primarily black. The same blackness that got us black american to get lynched by racists mobs, killed by the police etc,. That same blackness white supremacists using to treat us like garbage is being used against Haitians. So what i'm saying we should not join the kool-aid and joking around stuff like that, giving our history in this country....
@@allegrap1054 you. people like you who miss the dog whistle. that's who this meme is for. genuinely such a shameful comment. as if black immigrants have never been killed or brutalized in this country. what the actual fuck are you on
I agree I’ve felt extremely weird having normie friends laughing at this kind of stuff at least I can tell them and they understand what this is when I explain it
What makes them normies? Not being wired for politics 24/7? I hope that’s not what you mean. And don’t mistake me as centrist, but if you consider people that are not as politically minded as you normies you are gonna have a hard time convincing anyone of anything outside of the bubble you are creating for yourself and others to hear the echoes you make
@@ArynWellspring as in they are normal people who yes like you said don’t pay attention to politics in the way I do, it’s nothing against them and I’m aware they aren’t centrist, if anything most people lean left, you seem to the be unhinged person here who took that as some sort of slight
@@RyhmeOfTheUnheard I genuinely didn’t take it as a slight, I just think the term normies is slightly reductive. I don’t think you could describe me as normie with being a communist and all
There’s a privilege of being in the imperial core that people either don’t want to acknowledge or are genuinely ignorant to. What’s frustrating is when they equate harm to one form, seeing jokes as unaffiliated fun, even as there are consistent situations that undermine that logic. There’s also this racist idea that certain people under going violence “earned” it in some capacity. It consistently happens with brown and black communities, which usually end up being the butt of these supposedly harmless jokes. That steady dehumanizing behavior, that conceptualization of these xenophobic statements as simply outlandish and comedic rather than an active purveyor of harm is incredibly disturbing. Great video as always, Prince.
It’s victim blaming, just like grape and SA victims face within society because of the misogynistic imperial core. It’s why all of us who are excluded from the imperial core (in various ways) should stand together and put an end to blaming the victims and work to better enforce consequences for the aggressors. Edited for clarity. And to add that if society can get away with exploiting and abusing one group of people it becomes that much easier to exploit and abuse another group of people.
@@RPruett78 Agree with you a 1000%. When we stand alone and ignore intersectionality, we create more chances for more victims to be made. It’s abhorrent.
Is it a privilege not to have to build or create anything but just force your way into white created civilization and reap the benefits while pretending to be oppressed
I hate those memes. In british colonial India there used to be a genre of orientalist fiction that was made for the weirdos back in britain who couldnt live in India. People in Britain could consume an exoticized, ridiculous version of racist propaganda branded as travelogs. Even now these weirdo travel youtubers go to Haiti, Jamaica, India etc and take videos of poor people, and edit it in the worst way possible - to be consumed by people who are privileged enough to not be at the receiving end
I unfollowed a left wing group because they shared so many memes that could as well been from a right wing incel. It felt like by mocking the right wing the unironicaly are just spreading the right wing message.
I experienced the same thing recently. I was involved in a FB group (I had assumed was Liberal/Left-leaning) that posted memes about cats, and immediately after the Trump-Harris debate the whole page was flooded with memes about immigrants eating cats. And all the Conservatives came out of the closet backed up by Liberals to shout anyone down that said the memes being posted were racist. I reported and called out as much bullshit as I could before I had to unsubscribe for my own sanity.
@@timothyrockwell2638 To be fair, this is directly part of the alt-right pipeline. Alt-right playbook has a good video on this, but many conservatives infiltrate communities to spread memes that push the boundaries until they can fully kick out all of the left-leaning people to take over these spaces and radicalize the community members who were complicit.
@@mstaylor1073Well that’s sounding an awful lot like the typical left to right pipeline and you might want to be weary of that. If someone is telling you that green is blue and blue is blue, there might be a bias there
I would love to know her intention because what else could it mean to blame a missing cat on Haitian immigrants. Also, ironic that telling the truth about Israel can cause all sorts of legal consequences but telling a known lie about Haitians; weak fact checking, at best
Haitian on my dad’s side and having friends send me bullshit disinformation and memes about Haitians has made me reconsider a lot of my friendships like shit you not my old roommate sent a video bout RFK Jr. tryna yap bout Haitian history like i’m supposed to take the mf who ACTUALLY eats dogs seriously 😭
US and France still owe Haiti lots Lot of history there, but its sad that people listen to some old politician as a credible historian...but then claim politicians they dont like are corrupt puppets that are always wrong..😂
@@grimnir2922 Because it was French territory, resources and they made a deal at the time. Something like, France could always get Haiti back after with their navy(that was busy at the time at some other wars). But instead of this they just promised to not invade them if they paid an amount to make for all the loss on gold etc.
there's a bunch of online personalities that did and said terrible things yet managed to stay relevant due to their videos/photos becoming a widely shared memed. jofre starfish, trisha paytas, something collection screaming lady. even amberlynn reid, someone who has a long history of being abusive to her partners, recently became a meme on tiktok, where people don't know about her past and tbh they don't seem to care. there's a lot of carelessness when it comes to meme-ing fucked up things.
@@FloreyXE Sure, he wanted our society to see pass the race of someone, he wanted for people to be judge by the content of their character not their race/skin tone, and BLM did the exact opposite by assuming every black casualty was an innocent victim while also assuming every involved White officer was acting in bad faith.
I was s*xually harassed recently. The only bystander who didn’t ignore it, laughed. She wasn’t laughing at me, she was laughing at him, but still, seeing bystanders laughing when they should be fighting hurts. I was laughing too, but I didn’t get to go home and forget about it. I had to go home and cry. I had to go home angry, wondering why no one did anything. I wonder if that’s how Haitian immigrants feel seeing these jokes.
Thank you sincerely for giving this the attention needed and deserved. I agree wholeheartedly. The number of people in the US who seem unable to think critically or empathize with others today is alarming and horrifying. These uncaring and unserious attitudes have and will continue to have drastic consequences.
I immediately knew this was false. No person receiving 1000-3000 dollars a month from the government has to eat cats or dogs. The truth is the original residents of Ohio have it so rough financially that they are on the brink of eating their pets.
FINALLY someone is talking about this. This is something that frustrated me since 2014 andbeven before when this kind of rhetoric started getting more and more frequent. I know people hide their stress and strong emotions through humor, but I think it contributes to how desensitized people are. Some of the things I'm currently hearing have my jaw to the floor, and the general "vibe" is jokes and crickets. There is actual terroism and racism in full display, and it is like any other Monday.
Thanks for talking about this, it's been on my mind for a long time. Memes and jokes absolutely downplay and normalize hatred and fascism and I've seen it happen to me and my friends firsthand. My old friend group are now full-on trumpists and not-sees just from a slow creep of "edgy" humor. I was able to get out and now I'm living my best life as a queer furry lol, but this stuff is really harmful and not discussed enough. The strongest influence is one that disguises itself and ingrains itself in your community like a Trojan horse.
it's not, it's just a thing you call someone. even if were talking about the npc wojak meme specifically it lost that connection with right wing politics (not even specifically fascism) years ago and it's been used in memes by people all across the political spectrum as well as in contexts that aren't political at all.
@@maoliosahomevideo3706not really true, since it's still used in fash circles. also generally calling real people NPCs is inherently dehumanizing. there's just not a single way to use it towards real people without it being backhanded or insulting
I will forever appreciate your channel. I think the work you do here is really needed and insightful, especially with the times we're in right now and how things are continuing to go.
I'm also a community organizer, and I think that the internet should be used mainly as a means of engaging with independent journalists and other organizers on the ground. The internet is a tool. Either you are wielding it, or it is being wielded against you. Everyone should have that mindset and remain skeptical about anything they see in the space.
The internet is more than a tool for politics. Learn to view the world outside of that narrow lens. It’s good to be politically minded, it’s admirable. But I am seeing a common theme of people here insisting that all everyone should be politically minded and motivated at all times and for a group of folks that claim to be against fascism that’s an interesting opinion to have. The all or nothing view you have on this is a bit strange and antithetical
@@ArynWellspring As long as the internet is dominated by capital ownership, its advertisements, its incentives, etc. it is only a tool for the people. It cannot be more until it is fully within our control. I would caution against seeing the internet as more than a tool in any other lense too, even if it were solely controlled by people with good intentions outside of the profit motive. To give in to the internet as an entity is to lose the connection around you in the physical space, where things actually happen.
@@ArynWellspring Man, I'm about to go knock doors to get union members to vote in a municipal election that my labor council endorsed candidates for. lol I get out plenty. Which is why I consider the internet a tool. It's a multi tool, but it is a tool, not a place, not a person, a tool. An entertainment tool, an advertising tool, a political tool, but still a tool.
These dispecable and derogatory jokes lead to very harmful and tragic conseqenses which become very destructive to certain communities or groups of people.
Ok, maybe my politics are currently drifting left faster than a car with 3 wheels, but you are one of my fave youtubers rn, im so disappointed by the milquetoast status quo endorsement being performed by "breadtube" at large and some of the biggest self described "leftist" creators doing hard endorsement for harris is just so disenchanting. it's hard to tell if I've left the left or if they're really just moving hard right. So i might look back at this comment in 3 months and call myself a shitlib, but for now I am glad I found you.
The one thing that i know and learnt is that we humans never learn about the past correctly and continue to choose to dehumanize each other I'm so disgusted by the recent anti-haitian that I've seen lately
I Hurt for the Haitian community man there not demonized by the west but also fellow members of the Caribbean community ( I see it as Haiti being punished for being the first black republic in the western hemisphere)
I'm mixed, and the jokes were funny for like 10 seconds when I realized that this was severely impacting people's lives. Like being mixed should be even less of an excuse bc we understand better.
I feel it depends on how the perception of the memes is affecting Trump's image. If it is just seen as something funny that was said that is bad, however if it makes him look ridiculous and weird I think the memification is a good thing for continually reminding people how unserious Trump is as a candidate.
Like I don't think you guys understand that no matter whether you are laughing at Haitians directly or indirectly because you think you're just making fun of Trump, there is no distinction You just fuel the racism You need to make the statement, "this is racist" "But Trump is so stupid and this is absurd" Haitians and Black people alike are getting threats and are not safe. So absurdity aside, the threats are very much real people believe this
So I’m only 12 minutes in an perhaps you address this, but I have not been enjoying the memes either. It reminds me of the first election when we did not take him seriously. I do think this time is a bit more intentional? Sort of paying him no mind to specifically undermine his ideas, however it did make my stomach turn a little bit to think of this juxtaposed with the last time we did not take him seriously.
I love listening to actual anarchist perspectives. I personally identify more with a Marxist-Leninist perspective but there are so many liberals running around calling themselves anarchists, I forget that there are actual principled anti-capitalist anarchists (like u, OCC, Andrewism) that I get a lot of valuable analysis from. So thank u for reminding me that anarchists can be good
@@nononope75 I meant what I said sincerely. In my life I have met a lot of leftists in different contexts, and most of the time if they were just confused liberals then they would call themselves anarchists. I think there are a lot of reasons why somebody who is actually very comfortable with Western imperialism might call themselves an anarchist. It’s an easier and label to take on superficially. But that is not to discount that maybe 20% of self-described anarchists are legitimately very principled, very well educated, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist. I think many of them would agree that there are a lot radical liberals that feel comfortable claiming anarchism rather than Marxism-Leninism for example. If you go outside you will see what I mean.
im not a cynic about many issues, but i really dont think xenophobia will ever go away in any meaningful way. no matter what marginalized people claim to care about and stand in solidarity with, if their identity ends in "American".... they will always be able to point at an immigrant and redirect vitriol. and that's why even black people are memeing this. it's exactly what i expected tbh *some of the garbage comments on this video are exactly what im talking about
You know it’s funny that my grandmother was from Italy. Where you are right now, Prince. And when she came to this country 70 years ago, she’s literally cook squirrels that she would kill in the backyard by setting traps. Of course she got made fun of and some people didn’t like it Different cultures. Have different Customs and norms. It’s not discriminatory or racist to say that they are eating the dogs they might be. But the real problem is why are they doing that? It’s because our country is not providing for them and we should we need to support our immigrants because we are a country of immigrants. When my grandmother first came here, she faced much discrimination and racial prejudice. We need to stop fear, mongering, and progress as a country.
ua-cam.com/video/765q0PH2Ezg/v-deo.html It's not about poverty it's their culture what's wrong with that? Some Americans eat possum and snake and racoons. Different strokes for different folks
I think in this political climate, though, it’s important to make it known there isn’t actually any evidence for these claims. Cause even if they shouldn’t necessarily think this, a lot of people just hear ‘eating cats and dogs’ and won’t listen to any kind of nuance. I do also want to say there’s a difference between eating a wild animal and eating a pet, which is what immigrants are being accused of (with no evidence.)
The refusal to acknowledge intersectionality by so many "progressive" centrists is so annoying. The rights of one are and always have been the rights of all. If you're in the middle of the pyramid, pressing down the base below you isn't going to help you go up.
It is super unsettling to see the Kamala hq account on TikTok and all the comments being like so funny girlboss when it’s not her running the account and it’s propaganda
good to know im not the only one who felt really uncomfortable with people cracking jokes about the whole thing even before donald trump said that on tv. i'm of the opinion that donald trump says a lot of things worthy of being made into jokes, this however, is not one of them. if there is anything we shouldn't joke about, it's that.
THANK YOU !!!! I don't believe this is funny. I saw videos of watch parties where people laughed at that disgusting claim. I'm first generation and was raised in a very diverse immigrant neighborhood
there is a way to find or wring comedy out of anything, i am a firm believer of that. remixing and mindlessly dancing to an insane xenoohobic rumor spread during a presidential debate is not that. denying the harm it actually invokes is not that. people always complain that people can't take a joke - y'all literally dont know what a joke IS.
Memes does look pretty right I thought the snoop Dogg one was a bit funny and made the mistake of sharing that with my mum who went on a whole rant about the ducks and cats and illegal immigrants
Since Trump and his allies are claiming to care about pets, even complaining about the dogs left behind in Afghanistan (not true, btw)- what about the 10,000+ dogs killed annually by police?? Often for the crime of barking, doing their job of protecting their territory. Little dogs who pose no threat. In 2020, when people were bending themselves into pretzels to justify why police HAD to use lethal force, I’d get into back and forth’s, trying to appeal to empathy. There was a video (I think it was from Buffalo, or Rochester, in NY), that I would send the link for when I felt like I wasn’t getting anywhere, asking them to “explain this then…”. It was a video of cops with a K-9 unit, walking down a sidewalk in front of a fenced yard, a little white fluffy dog approached the fence as did the K-9 unit’s German shepherd and they were smelling each other through the fence- very typical interaction for anyone that has walked a dog. The cop drew its gun and shot that little 4lb dog through the fence. The cops weren’t going to that house, not that that would justify it, they were just walking past the property. It was within the fence of the owner’s property, doing what dogs do, and it definitely posed no threat. Just a callous and disturbing disregard for life… and Trump wants the police to have blanket immunity so they can “do their job”. They have that type of protection when it comes to animals, it is super rare for someone to succeed in holding police liable for the death of a pet. I shudder to think about the brutality that would be inflicted on communities if police were allowed to respond to citizens as they do with pets. The people who were so eager to argue, on behalf of defending the police, would stop responding after that. UA-cam is as close as I get to social media, so I’m unsure as to whether this argument has been made- but it needs to be. The GOP cares so much about the welfare of our pets that they are willing to demonize a population and terrorize a community? Just wait until they find out about the 10,000+ killed by cops annually! Surely that is a MUCH bigger threat and must warrant abolishing patrol officers and harsh repercussions for an officer involved in the death of a dog! Even though it won’t make them care, they won’t be able to keep up the facade that they do- and it’s much better than dancing along to Nazi based propaganda.
From WNYC (Opens in new window) As a presidential candidate in 2008, Barack Obama spoke to the hearts of Latinos with three words: "Yes we can." "He started using this phrase Si Se Puede. Yes we can,” said Jorge Ramos, a journalist with the largest Spanish-language news network in the country, Univision. “That actually was taken from two great Latinos: Dolores Huerta and Cesar Chavez.” Si Se Puede was the rallying cry of the farmworker rights movement in the 1960's. And with that chant, Ramos, considered one of the most influential voices among 57 million Latinos in the country, said Latinos could see themselves in Obama. Ten million came out for the general election; 67 percent voted for Obama. In 2012, Obama secured even more Latino votes. No one expected Barack Obama would become the president to deport more people than any other president in U.S. history. “No. Nobody,” said Ramos. “Not at the beginning.” Obama's Homeland Security deported 2.7 million people - an average of about a thousand immigrants a day, for eight years - earning him the title of “Deporter in Chief." Even after Donald Trump was elected, on January 4, 2017, the Obama administration confirmed a new wave of immigration raids, focused on children and families fleeing Central America.
I don't love how you keep bringing up people dancing like it's the worst thing ever. Talking about people dancing versus antifacists dying is an overstatement of harm, and it gives people permission to ignore what you're saying as being overdramatic.
i disagree because both matter to me. making light of xenophobia is a problem and if people dont care, maybe it's a question of their privilege because it doesnt offend them
As someone who watched their younger brother get radicalized by these "harmless memes" in the last few years (he identifies as neonazi now) and now brags about recruiting children into the far right with the memes he makes, I think others are really downplaying the harm caused with making horrifying things such as Trumps comments into a silly dance
I got triggered by the intent vs action seeing because of reminders of how I was treated in terms of minor perceived flaws as a learning disabled person, but I really recognise the value of off using that framework to understand the what she said was really bad. I suppose this is part of this. Realising that although other people have used arguments against you that you don't mean that in the way that bad faith intelligent people have used the arguments against me. Like I guess I am just tired of being told my cripness was having too much impact on neurotypicals regardless of my intent that I thought I should just dismiss that entire line of reasoning at some point. I think I'm only realising that that is a valid way to analyse justice just now, because to be honest I think growing up a mainly heard it used for ableism and bootstrapping. Very cool to understand more about the world.
What do you think about Mike Rugnetta's approach to these topics? I think obviously he's not as active online as he was in the early 2010s, but I think there was a value in his perspective on humour and it's radical potential. Honestly his videos were really important to the bridge between me being a leftist who was a still self repressed queer person and the more radicals place where I am now. I suppose all of this is part of the fact that jokes are used to talk about ideas that someone isn't sure if they want to believe in or not. As a neurodivergent person I think the tone indicators thing and explaining what the jokes are even about and getting literal and clear sometimes is absolutely beneficial. I don't really know what this reality means for humour as a whole in the 21st century. I remember when a meme threat made by a trans person against a transphobic person was shown in British parliament and I haven't really known how to think about the meme culture since then.
Still watching but so far 1000% agree. I just don’t understand what’s so funny about violent racist rhetoric that has real world implications, and “coping” only covers you so far. My heart hurts for the immigrants in Springfield and everywhere in the US.
Question, excluding anyone who does it in bad faith. Do you think a good portion of people are making these jokes and memes to make fun of the absolute absurdity of what he said. I say this is a decent portion of people can just see what he says and see it as the ravings of someone who has lost it, and from there make fun of him for saying it and by extension make fun of anyone who actually believes in what he is saying? Excluding the dancing one I don't know what that is about haven't seen it.
This is kinda making me question Brecht's understanding of humour as something that provokes thought. I don't have a better Leftist analysis of humour though. Honestly Mother Courage and her Children makes fun of their characters a lot but I don't know how to fit it into relation with this. From Brecht's perspective he didn't make distinction between the high culture and low culture art (from what I know). But I don't know how he would treat altR and fasch memes in the present era. Lots to unpack in these strategies.
on the one hand you're right about the danger of memes. on the other hand, you missed the point about trump's mediocrity. they literally agree with you that qualifications of politician experience don't and that's precisely why they elected mediocre trump.
@@tea4nihilists your comment actually gave me more context and I kinda get what the original comment is referring to. I will also look that up, thanks!
When I hear right wing lies I often can't help but laugh, because it's so stupid, unbelievable, and harmful. But unless you want to help them spread their ideas, you should avoid repeating them at all, let alone for a joke. For example, instead of repeating what Trump said, you could just report that "Trump repeated old myths about immigrants eating pets, saying they were true because he saw it on TV." Then you're not drawing more attention to specific immigrants in a specific place.
Part of Black American culture is to laugh to keep from crying. Are you FBA/ADOS because you should understand the use of sarcasm in humor to address serious political issues. Are you going to talk about the Black people being found unalived in trees that is being ignored by the media, including Black media? There was a recent incident.
I'm having trouble getting involved. I'm not 100% sure about the RCA, I liked that they are actually in my town and seemed to be doing stuff but... I dunno. I've seen a couple red flags. No pun intended.
WASHINGTON - President Trump on Tuesday appeared open to negotiating a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, declaring that he was willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that seemed to flatly contradict the anti-immigration stance that charged his political rise.White House officials declined to provide specifics about what kind of immigration overhaul the president would favor, saying he was focused on the shorter-term measure that would shield undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children from deportation, in exchange for more border agents and a down payment on a border wall.
Thank you for posting this. I've been trying to run a grassroots campaign for unity, safety, and kindness, but I'm getting destroyed on Reddit(main site). I've already been shadowbanned a few times for promotion. I'm losing steam. Please keep making videos educating the public on how we're being effected by ineffective messaging.
Thanks for doing this post. Even so called progressives do not see the racism and xenophobia of these comments. There is a long history this in the history. It makes me so angry. 😡
@3:50 I understand how people will follow a false story, but why is everyone acting like hunting and eating ducks and geese aren't normal things Americans do. Honestly if people ACTUALLY were catching ducks and geese with their hands, that'd be impressive as hell! I guess it's not okay cuz it's not with an automatic rifle.
I hear you and appreciate your perspective but I think you are looking at this through your activist lens. The people making these videos are normies laughing at the absurdity they are seeing. Normies aren't thinking that deeply and often feel helpless. And because they feel helpless, they meme.
and that's the problem, because while they see themselves or operate as normies, those who have less face political violence. is them being normies as justification or do we demand more?
It’s nothing new, and memes have been effective all throughout history. One of the first takedowns of that Austrian painter guy was a comedy by Charlie Chaplin and while it had people laughing, it got people talking. Look what happens to the alt-right when they are called weird. They start flipping out and making themselves look worse. It’s not minimizing anything, it’s making the MAGA folks look like jokes and you are underestimating the power of that. Once again political humor has been employed since politics existed, and it’s a big part of the process. If you can make the opposition look like jokes, you deflate their rhetoric.
unless fascism exists and people are joking while rights are taken away and repression continues. are people dancing because they dont want to engage in political anti repression and direct action? idk, but the dancing about anti haitian sentiments is weird ESPECIALLY if you're not an immigrant, child of immigrant, or from the west indies.
22:46 except this distrust of politicians is *precisely* how Trump gained power that and the role that the media had in giving him so much attention. Local communities should have more of a say yes..however as the last 2 election cycles have proven millions of americans are fkin morons as they keep voting for Trump. So no i dont think that local communities are necessarily for qualified to run the government. Its a balancing act. All that said i agree with the thesis of your video. Far too many people stupidly engage with the defanging of politicians and political memes.
People want memes to be activism because they literally get their opinions from facebook memes. it's actually even more pathetic than it seems on the surface lmao
30 sec is enough...harvesting for religious purposes is a cultural fact. And there's nothing wrong with that in Haiti so stop putting US cultural standards on other cultures it's condescending
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This phenomenon of memes normalizing fascism has always been an issue with social media, people get outright groomed by bigoted humour all the time and end up saying the most unhinged statements under the excuse of "dark humour".
I did too and i turned into a horrible fucking person during my teenage years. Thank god I got out of it, i will never get into that kind of shit ever again.
Edit: typo
"fAsCiSm"
The more frightening thing to me is just how effective the filter bubbles on social media are. I've seen 3-4 videos verifiably proving some of the claims stated. I know someone who served as a medical aid worker in haiti and I fully believe their accounts of ritualistic and sadistic abuse undertaken by a minority of individuals within the population that enjoyed exploiting culture/religion. Growing up in an american ghetto, I have known multiple kids who have had sexual and/or violent relations with animals. I could speak on ethics and my own subjective opinions on the occurrence of "undesirable traits" but statistical or heterophenomenological arguments seem beside the point. The real issue is the unfair "signal boosting" of divisive and unconstructive narratives. Both the left+right could have immediately jumped on the very real evidence and had an honest discussion but instead both are playing dumb to drive each side to hate the other.
@@Historia_Magistra_Vitae. Ah yes, the ol' reliable putting something that someone said in the FuNnY lOwErCaSe-CaPiTaL lEtTeRs trick. You sure showed him.
@@DrizzyB : Happens when these people have no clue what they are talking about.
@@Historia_Magistra_Vitae. didnt watch the video huh
Seeing black people making jokes about that hurts my soul. If they think that about Haitians, trust and believe they think the same thing about you. Cause if we truly look at it, we ain't looking any differents from the Haitians. People often think i'm haitian or jamaican. So nothing funny about that, especially when all these liberals GenZ on tiktok making fun of the situation
There was a Black American man found with a rope around his neck next to a tree recently. Which is worse? Getting clowned over ridiculous stuff which takes the sting out of it because it makes light of the lack of seriousness of the complaints or incidents of being unalived that are ignored and not covered in the media?
@@allegrap1054 I bet they did that to the guy because he was primarily black. The same blackness that got us black american to get lynched by racists mobs, killed by the police etc,. That same blackness white supremacists using to treat us like garbage is being used against Haitians. So what i'm saying we should not join the kool-aid and joking around stuff like that, giving our history in this country....
@@mymiphone1841Well....welcome to "White" Amerikkka.
@@allegrap1054 you. people like you who miss the dog whistle. that's who this meme is for. genuinely such a shameful comment. as if black immigrants have never been killed or brutalized in this country. what the actual fuck are you on
@@allegrap1054 it’s hard to believe that something like that would be ignored by the media. Usually that would be front and center this day and age
I agree I’ve felt extremely weird having normie friends laughing at this kind of stuff at least I can tell them and they understand what this is when I explain it
What makes them normies? Not being wired for politics 24/7? I hope that’s not what you mean. And don’t mistake me as centrist, but if you consider people that are not as politically minded as you normies you are gonna have a hard time convincing anyone of anything outside of the bubble you are creating for yourself and others to hear the echoes you make
You goofs don't know what Fascism is.
@@ArynWellspring as in they are normal people who yes like you said don’t pay attention to politics in the way I do, it’s nothing against them and I’m aware they aren’t centrist, if anything most people lean left, you seem to the be unhinged person here who took that as some sort of slight
@@jordanthompson8268 ok genius what do you think fascism is because I’m just going by definitions specifically umberto echo’s definition dumbass
@@RyhmeOfTheUnheard I genuinely didn’t take it as a slight, I just think the term normies is slightly reductive. I don’t think you could describe me as normie with being a communist and all
Laughter does not make your dog whistle any less weird!
It actually makes it MORE weird.
There’s a privilege of being in the imperial core that people either don’t want to acknowledge or are genuinely ignorant to. What’s frustrating is when they equate harm to one form, seeing jokes as unaffiliated fun, even as there are consistent situations that undermine that logic. There’s also this racist idea that certain people under going violence “earned” it in some capacity. It consistently happens with brown and black communities, which usually end up being the butt of these supposedly harmless jokes. That steady dehumanizing behavior, that conceptualization of these xenophobic statements as simply outlandish and comedic rather than an active purveyor of harm is incredibly disturbing. Great video as always, Prince.
It’s victim blaming, just like grape and SA victims face within society because of the misogynistic imperial core.
It’s why all of us who are excluded from the imperial core (in various ways) should stand together and put an end to blaming the victims and work to better enforce consequences for the aggressors.
Edited for clarity. And to add that if society can get away with exploiting and abusing one group of people it becomes that much easier to exploit and abuse another group of people.
@@RPruett78 Agree with you a 1000%. When we stand alone and ignore intersectionality, we create more chances for more victims to be made. It’s abhorrent.
Is it a privilege not to have to build or create anything but just force your way into white created civilization and reap the benefits while pretending to be oppressed
I hate those memes. In british colonial India there used to be a genre of orientalist fiction that was made for the weirdos back in britain who couldnt live in India. People in Britain could consume an exoticized, ridiculous version of racist propaganda branded as travelogs. Even now these weirdo travel youtubers go to Haiti, Jamaica, India etc and take videos of poor people, and edit it in the worst way possible - to be consumed by people who are privileged enough to not be at the receiving end
OMG those poor oppressed MAJORITIES in Haiti, Jamaica,and India
@@curtislowe195 tell us you haven't finished basic schooling without telling us
I’ve heard very few people talk about the bomb threats and evacuations. How is that not inciting violence?
I unfollowed a left wing group because they shared so many memes that could as well been from a right wing incel. It felt like by mocking the right wing the unironicaly are just spreading the right wing message.
This! Especially because most normies and conservatives don't have thr media literacy to discern satire from propaganda.
I experienced the same thing recently. I was involved in a FB group (I had assumed was Liberal/Left-leaning) that posted memes about cats, and immediately after the Trump-Harris debate the whole page was flooded with memes about immigrants eating cats. And all the Conservatives came out of the closet backed up by Liberals to shout anyone down that said the memes being posted were racist. I reported and called out as much bullshit as I could before I had to unsubscribe for my own sanity.
The video before this one ‘The USA is Facist’ described this how literally the left right now is extremely right-minded
@@timothyrockwell2638 To be fair, this is directly part of the alt-right pipeline. Alt-right playbook has a good video on this, but many conservatives infiltrate communities to spread memes that push the boundaries until they can fully kick out all of the left-leaning people to take over these spaces and radicalize the community members who were complicit.
@@mstaylor1073Well that’s sounding an awful lot like the typical left to right pipeline and you might want to be weary of that. If someone is telling you that green is blue and blue is blue, there might be a bias there
I would love to know her intention because what else could it mean to blame a missing cat on Haitian immigrants.
Also, ironic that telling the truth about Israel can cause all sorts of legal consequences but telling a known lie about Haitians; weak fact checking, at best
Haitian on my dad’s side and having friends send me bullshit disinformation and memes about Haitians has made me reconsider a lot of my friendships
like shit you not my old roommate sent a video bout RFK Jr. tryna yap bout Haitian history like i’m supposed to take the mf who ACTUALLY eats dogs seriously 😭
US and France still owe Haiti lots
Lot of history there, but its sad that people listen to some old politician as a credible historian...but then claim politicians they dont like are corrupt puppets that are always wrong..😂
@@RSAgility it's unironically the opposite, Haiti have never finished paying their reparation amount to France that they owed.
@@dombam8490 Why should they have to owe reparations for their own freedom to begin with?
@@grimnir2922 Because it was French territory, resources and they made a deal at the time.
Something like, France could always get Haiti back after with their navy(that was busy at the time at some other wars). But instead of this they just promised to not invade them if they paid an amount to make for all the loss on gold etc.
there's a bunch of online personalities that did and said terrible things yet managed to stay relevant due to their videos/photos becoming a widely shared memed. jofre starfish, trisha paytas, something collection screaming lady. even amberlynn reid, someone who has a long history of being abusive to her partners, recently became a meme on tiktok, where people don't know about her past and tbh they don't seem to care. there's a lot of carelessness when it comes to meme-ing fucked up things.
*widely shared memes
why have psyops when we have memes
Thank you for this! I find memes problematic when people are getting hurt. We need to take caution when engaging in meme culture
If there was social media during Jim Crow, there would be the same thing: yt folk dancing (mockingly) to 'i have a dream' etc.
truly
BLM were dancing in the grave of MLK with their actions.
@@dombam8490elaborate?
@@FloreyXE Sure, he wanted our society to see pass the race of someone, he wanted for people to be judge by the content of their character not their race/skin tone, and BLM did the exact opposite by assuming every black casualty was an innocent victim while also assuming every involved White officer was acting in bad faith.
It's similar to the memes about the pager terrorist attacks that Israelis have done in Lebanon.
Jokes at the expense of 2nd and 3rd world countries doesn’t seem to matter to westerners.
I was s*xually harassed recently. The only bystander who didn’t ignore it, laughed. She wasn’t laughing at me, she was laughing at him, but still, seeing bystanders laughing when they should be fighting hurts. I was laughing too, but I didn’t get to go home and forget about it. I had to go home and cry. I had to go home angry, wondering why no one did anything.
I wonder if that’s how Haitian immigrants feel seeing these jokes.
Thank you! The jokes feed into the racism.
Thank you sincerely for giving this the attention needed and deserved. I agree wholeheartedly. The number of people in the US who seem unable to think critically or empathize with others today is alarming and horrifying. These uncaring and unserious attitudes have and will continue to have drastic consequences.
I immediately knew this was false. No person receiving 1000-3000 dollars a month from the government has to eat cats or dogs. The truth is the original residents of Ohio have it so rough financially that they are on the brink of eating their pets.
FINALLY someone is talking about this. This is something that frustrated me since 2014 andbeven before when this kind of rhetoric started getting more and more frequent.
I know people hide their stress and strong emotions through humor, but I think it contributes to how desensitized people are.
Some of the things I'm currently hearing have my jaw to the floor, and the general "vibe" is jokes and crickets. There is actual terroism and racism in full display, and it is like any other Monday.
Walter Benjamin wrote about aestheticization of politics as a fascist way of making politics in the 30's. His writings are very important today.
Thanks for talking about this, it's been on my mind for a long time. Memes and jokes absolutely downplay and normalize hatred and fascism and I've seen it happen to me and my friends firsthand. My old friend group are now full-on trumpists and not-sees just from a slow creep of "edgy" humor. I was able to get out and now I'm living my best life as a queer furry lol, but this stuff is really harmful and not discussed enough. The strongest influence is one that disguises itself and ingrains itself in your community like a Trojan horse.
I actually didn't know that npc was a fascist dog whistle until recently.
it's not, it's just a thing you call someone. even if were talking about the npc wojak meme specifically it lost that connection with right wing politics (not even specifically fascism) years ago and it's been used in memes by people all across the political spectrum as well as in contexts that aren't political at all.
@@maoliosahomevideo3706not really true, since it's still used in fash circles. also generally calling real people NPCs is inherently dehumanizing. there's just not a single way to use it towards real people without it being backhanded or insulting
The memes seem to me to be an extension of charismatic politics, like being "memeable" is an advantageous trait for a charismatic politician.
I will forever appreciate your channel. I think the work you do here is really needed and insightful, especially with the times we're in right now and how things are continuing to go.
I'm also a community organizer, and I think that the internet should be used mainly as a means of engaging with independent journalists and other organizers on the ground. The internet is a tool. Either you are wielding it, or it is being wielded against you. Everyone should have that mindset and remain skeptical about anything they see in the space.
Bottom line, and boosting this for folks
The internet is more than a tool for politics. Learn to view the world outside of that narrow lens. It’s good to be politically minded, it’s admirable. But I am seeing a common theme of people here insisting that all everyone should be politically minded and motivated at all times and for a group of folks that claim to be against fascism that’s an interesting opinion to have. The all or nothing view you have on this is a bit strange and antithetical
@@ArynWellspring As long as the internet is dominated by capital ownership, its advertisements, its incentives, etc. it is only a tool for the people. It cannot be more until it is fully within our control.
I would caution against seeing the internet as more than a tool in any other lense too, even if it were solely controlled by people with good intentions outside of the profit motive. To give in to the internet as an entity is to lose the connection around you in the physical space, where things actually happen.
@@X_TheHuntsman_X It doesn’t even always have to be a tool. If all you see are hammers and nails you desperately need to unplug for a bit
@@ArynWellspring Man, I'm about to go knock doors to get union members to vote in a municipal election that my labor council endorsed candidates for. lol I get out plenty. Which is why I consider the internet a tool. It's a multi tool, but it is a tool, not a place, not a person, a tool. An entertainment tool, an advertising tool, a political tool, but still a tool.
I can't believe that trump still has any supporters....
These dispecable and derogatory jokes lead to very harmful and tragic conseqenses which become very destructive to certain communities or groups of people.
Ok, maybe my politics are currently drifting left faster than a car with 3 wheels, but you are one of my fave youtubers rn, im so disappointed by the milquetoast status quo endorsement being performed by "breadtube" at large and some of the biggest self described "leftist" creators doing hard endorsement for harris is just so disenchanting. it's hard to tell if I've left the left or if they're really just moving hard right. So i might look back at this comment in 3 months and call myself a shitlib, but for now I am glad I found you.
i appreciated that! honestly how i approach posting is just trying to say what i wish was out there more
The one thing that i know and learnt is that we humans never learn about the past correctly and continue to choose to dehumanize each other I'm so disgusted by the recent anti-haitian that I've seen lately
I am so grateful I found your channel. I learn so much from you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Prince! ❣
You are so welcome
I Hurt for the Haitian community man there not demonized by the west but also fellow members of the Caribbean community ( I see it as Haiti being punished for being the first black republic in the western hemisphere)
I'm mixed, and the jokes were funny for like 10 seconds when I realized that this was severely impacting people's lives. Like being mixed should be even less of an excuse bc we understand better.
it seems to be a horrible giant joke while everything is burning down
Another powerful video
Sees Stanzi Potenza make a racist Haitian joke using her own cat and is now blocking people pointing out that she was being racist.
*They , also source?
@@lordnokia4222What is the point in asking for a source on youtube? You can’t post links here, and even describing another site can get you automodded
I feel it depends on how the perception of the memes is affecting Trump's image. If it is just seen as something funny that was said that is bad, however if it makes him look ridiculous and weird I think the memification is a good thing for continually reminding people how unserious Trump is as a candidate.
At the expense of making fun of Haitians
Like I don't think you guys understand that no matter whether you are laughing at Haitians directly or indirectly because you think you're just making fun of Trump, there is no distinction
You just fuel the racism
You need to make the statement, "this is racist"
"But Trump is so stupid and this is absurd" Haitians and Black people alike are getting threats and are not safe. So absurdity aside, the threats are very much real people believe this
You're seeing a similar situation here in Canada towards immigrants
edgy humor will be the death of humanity
So I’m only 12 minutes in an perhaps you address this, but I have not been enjoying the memes either. It reminds me of the first election when we did not take him seriously. I do think this time is a bit more intentional? Sort of paying him no mind to specifically undermine his ideas, however it did make my stomach turn a little bit to think of this juxtaposed with the last time we did not take him seriously.
Stupidity is deadly
I love listening to actual anarchist perspectives. I personally identify more with a Marxist-Leninist perspective but there are so many liberals running around calling themselves anarchists, I forget that there are actual principled anti-capitalist anarchists (like u, OCC, Andrewism) that I get a lot of valuable analysis from. So thank u for reminding me that anarchists can be good
Ahh so now I understand, anarchist. Moral superiority is common amongst idealists with unattainable goals
That last portion seems backhanded as hell ngl, are you good?
@@nononope75 I meant what I said sincerely. In my life I have met a lot of leftists in different contexts, and most of the time if they were just confused liberals then they would call themselves anarchists. I think there are a lot of reasons why somebody who is actually very comfortable with Western imperialism might call themselves an anarchist. It’s an easier and label to take on superficially. But that is not to discount that maybe 20% of self-described anarchists are legitimately very principled, very well educated, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist. I think many of them would agree that there are a lot radical liberals that feel comfortable claiming anarchism rather than Marxism-Leninism for example. If you go outside you will see what I mean.
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im not a cynic about many issues, but i really dont think xenophobia will ever go away in any meaningful way. no matter what marginalized people claim to care about and stand in solidarity with, if their identity ends in "American".... they will always be able to point at an immigrant and redirect vitriol. and that's why even black people are memeing this. it's exactly what i expected tbh
*some of the garbage comments on this video are exactly what im talking about
Memes have been normalizing fascism for a decade now, I know because I grew up on UA-cam Poops that actively told and use these kinds of jokes.
You know it’s funny that my grandmother was from Italy. Where you are right now, Prince. And when she came to this country 70 years ago, she’s literally cook squirrels that she would kill in the backyard by setting traps. Of course she got made fun of and some people didn’t like it Different cultures. Have different Customs and norms. It’s not discriminatory or racist to say that they are eating the dogs they might be. But the real problem is why are they doing that? It’s because our country is not providing for them and we should we need to support our immigrants because we are a country of immigrants. When my grandmother first came here, she faced much discrimination and racial prejudice. We need to stop fear, mongering, and progress as a country.
ua-cam.com/video/765q0PH2Ezg/v-deo.html It's not about poverty it's their culture what's wrong with that? Some Americans eat possum and snake and racoons. Different strokes for different folks
I think in this political climate, though, it’s important to make it known there isn’t actually any evidence for these claims.
Cause even if they shouldn’t necessarily think this, a lot of people just hear ‘eating cats and dogs’ and won’t listen to any kind of nuance.
I do also want to say there’s a difference between eating a wild animal and eating a pet, which is what immigrants are being accused of (with no evidence.)
Reminds me of Sicilian Italians being villainize by Northern Europeans because of the whole white purity rule, and their central ties to North Africa
The refusal to acknowledge intersectionality by so many "progressive" centrists is so annoying. The rights of one are and always have been the rights of all. If you're in the middle of the pyramid, pressing down the base below you isn't going to help you go up.
It is super unsettling to see the Kamala hq account on TikTok and all the comments being like so funny girlboss when it’s not her running the account and it’s propaganda
good to know im not the only one who felt really uncomfortable with people cracking jokes about the whole thing even before donald trump said that on tv. i'm of the opinion that donald trump says a lot of things worthy of being made into jokes, this however, is not one of them. if there is anything we shouldn't joke about, it's that.
Our education system does not teach enough critical thinking and analysis skills.
This is getting out of control just for control?
THANK YOU !!!! I don't believe this is funny. I saw videos of watch parties where people laughed at that disgusting claim. I'm first generation and was raised in a very diverse immigrant neighborhood
there is a way to find or wring comedy out of anything, i am a firm believer of that. remixing and mindlessly dancing to an insane xenoohobic rumor spread during a presidential debate is not that. denying the harm it actually invokes is not that.
people always complain that people can't take a joke - y'all literally dont know what a joke IS.
Memes does look pretty right
I thought the snoop Dogg one was a bit funny and made the mistake of sharing that with my mum who went on a whole rant about the ducks and cats and illegal immigrants
Since Trump and his allies are claiming to care about pets, even complaining about the dogs left behind in Afghanistan (not true, btw)- what about the 10,000+ dogs killed annually by police?? Often for the crime of barking, doing their job of protecting their territory. Little dogs who pose no threat.
In 2020, when people were bending themselves into pretzels to justify why police HAD to use lethal force, I’d get into back and forth’s, trying to appeal to empathy. There was a video (I think it was from Buffalo, or Rochester, in NY), that I would send the link for when I felt like I wasn’t getting anywhere, asking them to “explain this then…”. It was a video of cops with a K-9 unit, walking down a sidewalk in front of a fenced yard, a little white fluffy dog approached the fence as did the K-9 unit’s German shepherd and they were smelling each other through the fence- very typical interaction for anyone that has walked a dog. The cop drew its gun and shot that little 4lb dog through the fence. The cops weren’t going to that house, not that that would justify it, they were just walking past the property. It was within the fence of the owner’s property, doing what dogs do, and it definitely posed no threat. Just a callous and disturbing disregard for life… and Trump wants the police to have blanket immunity so they can “do their job”. They have that type of protection when it comes to animals, it is super rare for someone to succeed in holding police liable for the death of a pet. I shudder to think about the brutality that would be inflicted on communities if police were allowed to respond to citizens as they do with pets.
The people who were so eager to argue, on behalf of defending the police, would stop responding after that. UA-cam is as close as I get to social media, so I’m unsure as to whether this argument has been made- but it needs to be. The GOP cares so much about the welfare of our pets that they are willing to demonize a population and terrorize a community? Just wait until they find out about the 10,000+ killed by cops annually! Surely that is a MUCH bigger threat and must warrant abolishing patrol officers and harsh repercussions for an officer involved in the death of a dog!
Even though it won’t make them care, they won’t be able to keep up the facade that they do- and it’s much better than dancing along to Nazi based propaganda.
Kinda like how right wingers also only care about children when they can use them as a scapegoat to oppress women and queer people
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As a presidential candidate in 2008, Barack Obama spoke to the hearts of Latinos with three words: "Yes we can."
"He started using this phrase Si Se Puede. Yes we can,” said Jorge Ramos, a journalist with the largest Spanish-language news network in the country, Univision. “That actually was taken from two great Latinos: Dolores Huerta and Cesar Chavez.”
Si Se Puede was the rallying cry of the farmworker rights movement in the 1960's. And with that chant, Ramos, considered one of the most influential voices among 57 million Latinos in the country, said Latinos could see themselves in Obama.
Ten million came out for the general election; 67 percent voted for Obama. In 2012, Obama secured even more Latino votes.
No one expected Barack Obama would become the president to deport more people than any other president in U.S. history.
“No. Nobody,” said Ramos. “Not at the beginning.”
Obama's Homeland Security deported 2.7 million people - an average of about a thousand immigrants a day, for eight years - earning him the title of “Deporter in Chief."
Even after Donald Trump was elected, on January 4, 2017, the Obama administration confirmed a new wave of immigration raids, focused on children and families fleeing Central America.
I don't love how you keep bringing up people dancing like it's the worst thing ever.
Talking about people dancing versus antifacists dying is an overstatement of harm, and it gives people permission to ignore what you're saying as being overdramatic.
i disagree because both matter to me. making light of xenophobia is a problem and if people dont care, maybe it's a question of their privilege because it doesnt offend them
As someone who watched their younger brother get radicalized by these "harmless memes" in the last few years (he identifies as neonazi now) and now brags about recruiting children into the far right with the memes he makes, I think others are really downplaying the harm caused with making horrifying things such as Trumps comments into a silly dance
I knew there was something about those memes that made me deeply uncomfortable and you've definitely help me find the words. It's gross
I got triggered by the intent vs action seeing because of reminders of how I was treated in terms of minor perceived flaws as a learning disabled person, but I really recognise the value of off using that framework to understand the what she said was really bad. I suppose this is part of this. Realising that although other people have used arguments against you that you don't mean that in the way that bad faith intelligent people have used the arguments against me.
Like I guess I am just tired of being told my cripness was having too much impact on neurotypicals regardless of my intent that I thought I should just dismiss that entire line of reasoning at some point. I think I'm only realising that that is a valid way to analyse justice just now, because to be honest I think growing up a mainly heard it used for ableism and bootstrapping. Very cool to understand more about the world.
Thank you. I unsubscribed from The Kiffness for doing this, and I don't regret it.
This is a deep. Not all of your opinions I vibe with, but I want to believe that's why democracy matters. Good stuff
I have been thinking this all week! yes! I love your content. Thank you.
What do you think about Mike Rugnetta's approach to these topics? I think obviously he's not as active online as he was in the early 2010s, but I think there was a value in his perspective on humour and it's radical potential. Honestly his videos were really important to the bridge between me being a leftist who was a still self repressed queer person and the more radicals place where I am now. I suppose all of this is part of the fact that jokes are used to talk about ideas that someone isn't sure if they want to believe in or not. As a neurodivergent person I think the tone indicators thing and explaining what the jokes are even about and getting literal and clear sometimes is absolutely beneficial. I don't really know what this reality means for humour as a whole in the 21st century. I remember when a meme threat made by a trans person against a transphobic person was shown in British parliament and I haven't really known how to think about the meme culture since then.
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They're eating the dogs 🎵💃👯They're eating the cats 🎹💃🎵They're eating the pets of the people that live there 🎵💃
Still watching but so far 1000% agree. I just don’t understand what’s so funny about violent racist rhetoric that has real world implications, and “coping” only covers you so far. My heart hurts for the immigrants in Springfield and everywhere in the US.
Question, excluding anyone who does it in bad faith. Do you think a good portion of people are making these jokes and memes to make fun of the absolute absurdity of what he said.
I say this is a decent portion of people can just see what he says and see it as the ravings of someone who has lost it, and from there make fun of him for saying it and by extension make fun of anyone who actually believes in what he is saying?
Excluding the dancing one I don't know what that is about haven't seen it.
This is kinda making me question Brecht's understanding of humour as something that provokes thought. I don't have a better Leftist analysis of humour though. Honestly Mother Courage and her Children makes fun of their characters a lot but I don't know how to fit it into relation with this. From Brecht's perspective he didn't make distinction between the high culture and low culture art (from what I know). But I don't know how he would treat altR and fasch memes in the present era. Lots to unpack in these strategies.
on the one hand you're right about the danger of memes. on the other hand, you missed the point about trump's mediocrity. they literally agree with you that qualifications of politician experience don't and that's precisely why they elected mediocre trump.
I watch so many dumb pet video compilations, and the oast few days theyve been full of people joking about this.
Prince I’d love to get a video on the counterinsurgency we’re seeing at the moment from the radlib crowd
I’d like to know more about this, do you have any term that I can look up?
@@aielianna white fragility lol
more seriously, the politics of convenience
@@tea4nihilists your comment actually gave me more context and I kinda get what the original comment is referring to. I will also look that up, thanks!
I wonder if they will meme all of us being exterminated.
When I hear right wing lies I often can't help but laugh, because it's so stupid, unbelievable, and harmful. But unless you want to help them spread their ideas, you should avoid repeating them at all, let alone for a joke. For example, instead of repeating what Trump said, you could just report that "Trump repeated old myths about immigrants eating pets, saying they were true because he saw it on TV." Then you're not drawing more attention to specific immigrants in a specific place.
Naming the violence specifically is important to me as a child of immigrants. But do what's right for you
Part of Black American culture is to laugh to keep from crying. Are you FBA/ADOS because you should understand the use of sarcasm in humor to address serious political issues. Are you going to talk about the Black people being found unalived in trees that is being ignored by the media, including Black media? There was a recent incident.
you're sarcastically mocking something that isn't a threat to you??
oh NVM. it's you again.
this has absolutely nothing to do with the video…
Stop bringing black american people into this
I'm having trouble getting involved. I'm not 100% sure about the RCA, I liked that they are actually in my town and seemed to be doing stuff but... I dunno. I've seen a couple red flags. No pun intended.
WASHINGTON - President Trump on Tuesday appeared open to negotiating a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, declaring that he was willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that seemed to flatly contradict the anti-immigration stance that charged his political rise.White House officials declined to provide specifics about what kind of immigration overhaul the president would favor, saying he was focused on the shorter-term measure that would shield undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children from deportation, in exchange for more border agents and a down payment on a border wall.
Thank you for posting this.
I've been trying to run a grassroots campaign for unity, safety, and kindness, but I'm getting destroyed on Reddit(main site).
I've already been shadowbanned a few times for promotion. I'm losing steam.
Please keep making videos educating the public on how we're being effected by ineffective messaging.
Thanks for doing this post. Even so called progressives do not see the racism and xenophobia of these comments. There is a long history this in the history. It makes me so angry. 😡
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I’ve been thinking the same. Thank you so much
we need to realize why were called the United States (as the founding fathers intended ofc)
Really happy your last video is doing well 🙏
Point well taken but trump doesn't even reach the mediocre bar.
If they don’t play Dogs and Cats at my funeral, I’m not dying
@3:50 I understand how people will follow a false story, but why is everyone acting like hunting and eating ducks and geese aren't normal things Americans do. Honestly if people ACTUALLY were catching ducks and geese with their hands, that'd be impressive as hell!
I guess it's not okay cuz it's not with an automatic rifle.
Your immigrant story is very typical.
Nice to see someone taking this seriously.
I hear you and appreciate your perspective but I think you are looking at this through your activist lens. The people making these videos are normies laughing at the absurdity they are seeing. Normies aren't thinking that deeply and often feel helpless. And because they feel helpless, they meme.
and that's the problem, because while they see themselves or operate as normies, those who have less face political violence. is them being normies as justification or do we demand more?
@@PrinceShakurUA-camI don’t think anyone sees themselves as normies and I think the term is more often than not reductive and dismissive
I adore you Prince ❤
Thank you
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It’s nothing new, and memes have been effective all throughout history. One of the first takedowns of that Austrian painter guy was a comedy by Charlie Chaplin and while it had people laughing, it got people talking. Look what happens to the alt-right when they are called weird. They start flipping out and making themselves look worse. It’s not minimizing anything, it’s making the MAGA folks look like jokes and you are underestimating the power of that. Once again political humor has been employed since politics existed, and it’s a big part of the process. If you can make the opposition look like jokes, you deflate their rhetoric.
unless fascism exists and people are joking while rights are taken away and repression continues. are people dancing because they dont want to engage in political anti repression and direct action? idk, but the dancing about anti haitian sentiments is weird ESPECIALLY if you're not an immigrant, child of immigrant, or from the west indies.
Imagine wokescolding someone for making a joke about Trump's stupidity and blatant lies...This isn't it.
open your ears
Imagine using "wokescold".
Imagine missing the point
"wokescold" that's a new one
22:46 except this distrust of politicians is *precisely* how Trump gained power that and the role that the media had in giving him so much attention. Local communities should have more of a say yes..however as the last 2 election cycles have proven millions of americans are fkin morons as they keep voting for Trump. So no i dont think that local communities are necessarily for qualified to run the government. Its a balancing act.
All that said i agree with the thesis of your video. Far too many people stupidly engage with the defanging of politicians and political memes.
People want memes to be activism because they literally get their opinions from facebook memes. it's actually even more pathetic than it seems on the surface lmao
yes yes yes
30 sec is enough...harvesting for religious purposes is a cultural fact. And there's nothing wrong with that in Haiti so stop putting US cultural standards on other cultures it's condescending
7:36 ...Oof. Super yikes. The 'black friend' thing gets me every time, even as a white dude!
apparently you have to make the point at 24:20 in the first ten seconds of a video or else youre a bullying leftist lol