@TylerSpangler I was the noob working with you through the technique portion of the class. Just want to say I appreciate your patience with me and pointers throughout. Always great to work with someone as experienced as yourself.
I've been practicing MEXICAN JIU-JITSU for almost 10 years now! The biggest difference is the MJJ is more spicy and after each roll we eat taco with guacamole.
@@TylerSpangler i subscribed to your channel because of your guillotine techniques. And i suspect that Tyler have "no guard" exactly to have a chance of catch the neck!
It was super slick. It probably wouldn't work vs somone with a strong wrestling background. I'd prefer a collar tie or undertook, to really throw it over. Vs a bigger dude if you catch him flat-footed or going backwards it's possible to just push him over from the chest.
I don't think the question is whether American jiu-jitsu and/or legion gym is good. The question is whether it is different enough from what is generally thought of as bjj to warrant giving it a different name and saying its something different.
I just think Keenan doesn't like a lot of the Brazilians he trained with at Atos so he's bitter towards the whole country now lol. His school is also in San Diego so Atos might be this looming competitive presence. I don't actually know what I'm talking about it's just the impression I get.
I think its all just grappling now. Competition bjj has literally incorporated whatever works. Ankle locks was just considered catch wrestling before and now wrestling and judo has been incorporated so heavily.
How does the American JJ differ from the Brazilian? As far as I understand, AJJ is always No-Gi and makes good use of wrestling takedowns. Ok, but you can also train BJJ like this, right? In technical terms (not just rivalry between USA and Brazil, and also business), how else does AJJ differ from BJJ to the point of justifying them being two separate things? (If there really is an AJJ, as Keenan Cornelius argues).
It’s just marketing. Karate has the same thing, different variations of the same mother martial art from China via Okinawa. If anything, we’re going back to Ancient Greece and pankration.
Blue belt-splaining but… at 3:17 you could have rolled through for honeyhole and locked up double trouble and he would have been stuck, sorry just been using it a lot and now I see it everywhere lol
Fun fact vale tudo also comes from ju jutsu. We know from first hand accounts that there were no rules ju jutsu matches in Japan. Several people who participated said people would write letters fo goodbye to their families because the matches were so intense people ended up losing their lives. After some time they started adding so more rules and with the high immigration to Brazil the Japanese Brought that culture along with them.
Funny... President Theodore Roosevelt said "The art of Jiu-Jitsu is worth more in every way than all of our athletics combined." And this was in 1905. You can find pamphlets spelling it that way in a lot of places that aren't Brazil from before BJJ was really a thing. What it *really* is is just an anachronistic style of transliteration from Japanese to English. The fashion has changed, and we would now transliterate it "jujitsu".
Wouldn't "make jiu jitsu great again" mean that "older' and more conservative jiu jitsu is better, thus making you go "back" to it? Isn't BJJ "older" and more conservative? I don't get it
Fun fact: Jiu-jÍtsu is so Brazilian that it has an accent on the letter i at "jítsu". That forces the pronunce of that letter in portuguese language. Later, to make it more "global", they removed it as the majority languages have not accents.
Fun fact: Jiu Jitsu is so Japanese that the name is ACTUALLY Japanese, and it is originally written in kanjis. Later, to make it more "global" westerners started to write it in Latin characters. If we want to call it BJJ, JJJ,, AJJ, Mexican Ground Karate, or whatever, it does not really matter, as long as we enjoy our sport.
@@jiujitsumexico No. Jujutsu is japanese, search if you can find any Jiu-jítsu reference in japanese. The name Jiu-jítsu born from the brazilians wrongly speaking Jujutsu (this sounded Jiu-jítsu to the Gracie family that was learning from Count Koma / Mitsuyo Maeda). Koma was teaching JUJUTSU (Standing fight, Throws and Ground) and, because of no tatami to train, he teached only ne-waza (ground) techniques to brazilians, that Helio Gracie later transformed in Jiu-jítsu .
Fun fact: Joo jootso is so American that it has no accents, no i's, and no u's, just pure freedom and victory, since Americans have been dominating the submission grappling scene worldwide and the Brazilians/Japanese can't do anything about it! #KeepAmericaGreat
Did Maeda teach jiujitsu? What? Maeda was a judoka, so he taught Judo~! Which koryu did Maeda train to teach jiujitsu? What is the name? the only thing the gracie did was copy a part of Maeda's Judo and lie that they invented something.@@marcelo.victor
Jujutsu is the only correct spelling when translated from Japanese. You spell it another way, you change the meaning. So there are a bunch of dudes out there with misspelled tattoos.
I respect you but, you guys have to start making the distinction between Sport BJJ and Gracie Jujitsu. Sport BJJ is evolving because there is a constant need to win in tournaments, the ones with a new twist or new technique will win because nobody has seen it before. Some of the new stuff is very clever. At Gracie JJ, we strive to refine the original Helio refinements so we can survive or win a street confrontation when the opponent is punching or kicking.
So it's okay for the Brazilians to RIP off the Japanese art of judo in particular newaza judo but if the Americans take from so called bjj from Brazilians its dishonest. Lol oh the irony.
Can we stop and just give the japenese samaurai class some rspect and call it jui jisu( jujutsu)....the brazilians carried the art but it isnt theirs and it definitely isnt ours ( catch wrestling is a parallel vein).
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@TylerSpangler I was the noob working with you through the technique portion of the class. Just want to say I appreciate your patience with me and pointers throughout. Always great to work with someone as experienced as yourself.
Personally, mexican ground karate is my favorite grappling style
Huh I thought that was the Chinese Gi brand name?😮
I've been practicing MEXICAN JIU-JITSU for almost 10 years now! The biggest difference is the MJJ is more spicy and after each roll we eat taco with guacamole.
Central American Juitsu 😂😅
It's crazy how effective you make that chin strap. Awesome rolls.
Thanks for watching amigo
Tylers guard is as absent as my ankle lock defense
The only G word I know is guillotine
and gonorrhea@@TylerSpangler
Can't pass what isn't there bro
@@TylerSpangler i subscribed to your channel because of your guillotine techniques.
And i suspect that Tyler have "no guard" exactly to have a chance of catch the neck!
Someone online said that no Gi is essentially catch wrestling with a guard game. I believe him lol 😅
I mean we sometimes to call it "Korean Judo" or "French Kickboxing"... so maybe there is room for "American Jiu-jitsu".
Hapkido is Korean Juitsu. Sambo Russian Juitsu both arts have judo kano Juitsu.
Michael d Pasquale father of American Juitsu
Love that sweep at the end
Cool video. Post more, maybe longer content? Surprising enough its cool to hear you talk. Keep up the great work. 👍
That ankle pick at 3:54 was excellent! Tyler, you are an example to us all.
It was super slick. It probably wouldn't work vs somone with a strong wrestling background. I'd prefer a collar tie or undertook, to really throw it over. Vs a bigger dude if you catch him flat-footed or going backwards it's possible to just push him over from the chest.
That black belt at the end is deceptively big. Good content as always. Thanks, Tyler.
It would be good to hear what that other blck belt had to say, post roll about your techniques also.
excellent, instructional content, thanks Tyler
When humans successfully colonized mars, perhaps the descendants of the martial art jiu-jitsu would rename it martian jiu-jitsu. Idk.
Brian Peterson calls that a wedding sweep. He's the coach on the teachmegrappling channel.
That wrist control at 2:25 was pretty sick. But goddamn nice guillotine
When you switched your hip at 3:18, the bear trap / calf slicer transition was right there for you
had a match with sloan clymer and he not only very gently destroyed me but showed me some cool technique stuff later
He’s a nice coach!
Got to grab 1 of those hats
I don't think the question is whether American jiu-jitsu and/or legion gym is good. The question is whether it is different enough from what is generally thought of as bjj to warrant giving it a different name and saying its something different.
The hats are top tier 👌🏻👌🏻
Make jiu jitsu great again!
Loved this
Fun fact my old no gi gym we used to wear coloured sweat bands on out ankles for ranking
That deserves a video all on its own!
@@TylerSpangler afraid not possible, was back with Dan Strauss raspberry ape team at Mill Hill which sadly no longer exists 👊
Tyler!! Amazing video! Please come visit Agoge Combatives in Rossville, GA!
At 6:12 how are u preventing his chinstrap? A deep tight waist? grabbing his waist but also pinning his arm to it so he can’t chinstrap u?
Great content
Thanks for watching amigo
Pizza is American too, huh?
YEAH! Let's Go! Merka BABY! Whoo! LOL
Mate do you ever do European seminars?
The Cellar is the best BJJ gym in ‘merica, my man 💪
Americaaaaaa F yeah
Whenever you're available in san diego @Tyler Spangler, you should come and roll with us at 99 hq.
The last guy uses Judo Newaza.
Hey man. Cmon. Wheres the new guillotine tutorial??? I only wanna learn Guillotine from u man!!! Arm in?
Dang I didn’t know you were in town
Fun rolls :D
How can a combo of bjj and wrestling not be legit?
I just think Keenan doesn't like a lot of the Brazilians he trained with at Atos so he's bitter towards the whole country now lol. His school is also in San Diego so Atos might be this looming competitive presence. I don't actually know what I'm talking about it's just the impression I get.
Hahaha no worries mate. When you listen to him explain it, it doesn’t make that much more sense anyway
He did a debate with chadi not too long ago and addressed this rumor
Sounds about right. He always had an issue with the “Brazilian” way of training.
I do Australian jujitsu with my own mix of freestyle grappling I learnt in karate,
Yes but Keenan had no claim to it since it involves integrating high level folk style wrestling into the equation
you should try out lovato JJ, pretty amercian if you ask me. Its located in OKLAHOMA
It's not a new phenomenon. I can remember how Jake Shields already started talking about American Jiujitsu 8-9 years ago....
Tyler would you visit jocko’s gym?? Victory mma
I actually did go there. I may or may not post about it. The coach really didn’t like it, despite it being approved I could film there.
What's the thing that makes jiu jitsu Brazilian or American?
The name before Jiu-jitsu.
@@marcelo.victorhaha 😂 i like that explanation
theft and lies
Coming up next: Mexican Ground Karate 🇲🇽🌮🥋
Please buy overhead big fans so the mats aren't slippery
I think its all just grappling now. Competition bjj has literally incorporated whatever works. Ankle locks was just considered catch wrestling before and now wrestling and judo has been incorporated so heavily.
What about Mexican Ground Karate
Ah yes. The Canadian geometry.
How does the American JJ differ from the Brazilian? As far as I understand, AJJ is always No-Gi and makes good use of wrestling takedowns. Ok, but you can also train BJJ like this, right? In technical terms (not just rivalry between USA and Brazil, and also business), how else does AJJ differ from BJJ to the point of justifying them being two separate things? (If there really is an AJJ, as Keenan Cornelius argues).
It’s just marketing. Karate has the same thing, different variations of the same mother martial art from China via Okinawa.
If anything, we’re going back to Ancient Greece and pankration.
Good question.
Maybe we just call the no-gi version AJJ and leave gi as BJJ.
this name brazilan jiu-jitsu is a american thing refering to no gi i think , here in brazil its allways been just jiu-jitsu 😁
Didnt will tackett submit you from kesa? lol
I try to forget that roll
It's not from kesa-gatame, it's from ura-gatame
This video reinforces my opinion of “If a visitor is recording, they will talk shit about how bad you are at bjj”
And this video is worse because he is selling his merch while shit talking everyone.
Michael D Pasquale is the father of American Juitsu .
Fall to hip gets bow and arrowed...
Tough to do in no gi!
Blue belt-splaining but… at 3:17 you could have rolled through for honeyhole and locked up double trouble and he would have been stuck, sorry just been using it a lot and now I see it everywhere lol
Looks like the knee line is pretty far out but that's just me.
@@aaronwillis282 hug the leg to your chest like a knee bar and roll through to collect the far leg
I also kinda tagged the wrong time stamp, I meant more like 3:13 before he started losing it
If only trumps honesty was as legit as USA JJ 😂
Jiu-jitsu = brazilian (Koma's Judo to Gracie family)
Ju-jutsu = japanese martial art (samurais)
Submission Wrestling
or just wrasslin
@@derrickrobinson7269 ju jutsu also has stabs and such
Fun fact vale tudo also comes from ju jutsu. We know from first hand accounts that there were no rules ju jutsu matches in Japan. Several people who participated said people would write letters fo goodbye to their families because the matches were so intense people ended up losing their lives. After some time they started adding so more rules and with the high immigration to Brazil the Japanese Brought that culture along with them.
Funny... President Theodore Roosevelt said "The art of Jiu-Jitsu is worth more in every way than all of our athletics combined." And this was in 1905. You can find pamphlets spelling it that way in a lot of places that aren't Brazil from before BJJ was really a thing. What it *really* is is just an anachronistic style of transliteration from Japanese to English. The fashion has changed, and we would now transliterate it "jujitsu".
Ajj, Bjj... all marketing.
We are grappling. Call it what you want.
So... 10th planet ?
Wouldn't "make jiu jitsu great again" mean that "older' and more conservative jiu jitsu is better, thus making you go "back" to it? Isn't BJJ "older" and more conservative? I don't get it
It's just surfing on the phrase trend... if no, the first thing was to cut the B from BJJ and start calling it Jiu-jitsu again...
Then why his team sucks?
Fun fact: Jiu-jÍtsu is so Brazilian that it has an accent on the letter i at "jítsu". That forces the pronunce of that letter in portuguese language. Later, to make it more "global", they removed it as the majority languages have not accents.
Fun fact: Jiu Jitsu is so Japanese that the name is ACTUALLY Japanese, and it is originally written in kanjis. Later, to make it more "global" westerners started to write it in Latin characters. If we want to call it BJJ, JJJ,, AJJ, Mexican Ground Karate, or whatever, it does not really matter, as long as we enjoy our sport.
@@jiujitsumexico No. Jujutsu is japanese, search if you can find any Jiu-jítsu reference in japanese. The name Jiu-jítsu born from the brazilians wrongly speaking Jujutsu (this sounded Jiu-jítsu to the Gracie family that was learning from Count Koma / Mitsuyo Maeda). Koma was teaching JUJUTSU (Standing fight, Throws and Ground) and, because of no tatami to train, he teached only ne-waza (ground) techniques to brazilians, that Helio Gracie later transformed in Jiu-jítsu .
Fun fact: Joo jootso is so American that it has no accents, no i's, and no u's, just pure freedom and victory, since Americans have been dominating the submission grappling scene worldwide and the Brazilians/Japanese can't do anything about it! #KeepAmericaGreat
@@marcelo.victor whatever
Did Maeda teach jiujitsu? What? Maeda was a judoka, so he taught Judo~!
Which koryu did Maeda train to teach jiujitsu? What is the name? the only thing the gracie did was copy a part of Maeda's Judo and lie that they invented something.@@marcelo.victor
mexican ground karate
I prefer the Mexican Ground Karate
AJJ looks more fun than BJJ (more wrestling focused)
Jujutsu is the only correct spelling when translated from Japanese. You spell it another way, you change the meaning. So there are a bunch of dudes out there with misspelled tattoos.
The first guy needs to cut his hair 😢 it is over my friend.
It’s just grappling
Japan, give credit to japan.
armbar gang
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Japan to Brazil and that's it 💪🏽🤙🏽🎉
Next is European jiu jitsu
@@TylerSpangler I can see that! Love your videos! Oss professor 🤙🏽
I respect you but, you guys have to start making the distinction between Sport BJJ and Gracie Jujitsu. Sport BJJ is evolving because there is a constant need to win in tournaments, the ones with a new twist or new technique will win because nobody has seen it before. Some of the new stuff is very clever. At Gracie JJ, we strive to refine the original Helio refinements so we can survive or win
a street confrontation when the opponent is punching or kicking.
GJJ is objectively neutered JJ, but just do whatever you like. Gi, NoGi, BJJ, AJJ, GJJ, whatever. We all have our own personal goal.
As long as people do what they like, I’m happy for them.
Personally, I think just do whatever jiu jitsu and boxing if you want self defense
@@derrickrobinson7269how is Gracie jiujitsu neutered?
There is German Jiu Jitsu. Like it is legit.
They have moves call "the gas chamber" and "the shower"
@@ReisterJPThose are my favorite. 👌🏻
You do american jiu-jitsu
So, is it legitimate?
Indeed 😁
Still get your arse kicked by proper jujitsu (traditional) 😈
😂 American Jiujitsu > Brazilian Jiujitsu > Judo😂
I dislike this guy in so many ways, but that ankle pick and the sit-back mount were dope.
OSS
Oss mate
So it's okay for the Brazilians to RIP off the Japanese art of judo in particular newaza judo but if the Americans take from so called bjj from Brazilians its dishonest. Lol oh the irony.
14 mins
American jiu jitsu 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Next is European jiu jitsu
Catch wrestling is better.
Japanese jiujitsu, American Jiujitsu, Brazilian Jiujitsu... it's all the same
Change my mind
no is not...
Can we stop and just give the japenese samaurai class some rspect and call it jui jisu( jujutsu)....the brazilians carried the art but it isnt theirs and it definitely isnt ours ( catch wrestling is a parallel vein).
For street fights/ real fighting: Catch Wrestling > BJJ
For competions/MMA: BJJ> Catch Wrestling
i wnt a like i do bjj
Jiu-jitsu isnt even Brazil it comes from Judo.
Suprised about : "while the throws were efficient, what about the actual jiu jitsu ?" Jiu Jitsu has throws, grappling and striking.
Good stuff
Glad you enjoyed it amigo
Lol @ getting tapped from that side control cradle🥲
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