The power level of going first has completely detered me from playing. When hand traps are mandatory its a problem because they are random on the first hand. Cards now either have to be randomly drawn on turn 0 or be unrespondable on turn 1 to be playable. Thats insane.
I've always said that if they're going to keep Hand Traps and make them compulsory for competitive play then they might as well add Archetype Hand Traps into every Archetype deck. Same with Triple Tactics Thrust, ROTA, Kaijuu, Ghost Ogre, Ash Bollsom etc... Add an Archetype equivalent to every deck which needs it.
@@kuromoriofiagree. Even tho i still play some today. Those type of decks make me just want to not play. I dont mind traps or head traps. But full combo on both ur turn and my turn is a problem
@AWBM1993 they did this with Tear, R-ACE, and Tearlament then just stopped. Pretty disappointing because I think all of the in archetype handtrap esque cards were pretty interesting
i was playing zefra endymion dragon link in 2019 and that Deck would absolutely destroy current meta Decks going first and lock them out of special summoning with ez, ofc powercreep is a thing but dont act like pre 2022 decks were so much fairer cause they werent. you just dont enjoy the modern game anymore and thats totally fine
I was pushed out of modern yugioh just because the meta decks happen to never interest me aesthetically. I only play decks I think look good, which has resulted in me playing decks that aren't very meta. If they ever make a pretty meta deck, I'll probably start going to tournaments again.
Yeah I kinda get it. I love Purrely, but in MD it takes so long to win with one Delicious Memory if you don't open THE nuts, and the lines aren't super linear so it'd just be easier to run the ladder with a meta deck (turn brain off, do same combo, win 3 games in the time it takes to win 1 game with Purrely even if I like playing Purrely waaay more)😅
1.-The Initial Setup 2.-The Back and Forth 3.-The Unexpected Combacks. That's what made yugioh so appealing and popular in the early 00's. It was a very action packed and kind of dramatic card game. Do you agree? Or what do you think made the game appealing in the first place?
@@RomeoPriego I completely agree! On top of this, I loved seeing the real interesting unique style of decks that these players would create AAAAND on top of all the above... Seeing the ingenious and improvised strategies that each player would come up with to make that "Come Back" at the very end! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 That's what kept me coming back for more!!! Not this one and done, unimaginative Meta sh§÷√ 😑...
@@VictorythroughUnity59 Honestly I think the internet has ruined a lot general games diversity. Every single game now has "Meta" guides that a bunch of people will only play the game with that meta strategy.
@@RomeoPriego absolutely agree, I’d add that the fun of not knowing what you were going to draw next and then figuring out how you were going to McGiver/ strategies your way into a winning situation with the combination of different cards in your hand. But no the combos are sort of pre-prescribed by the hyper consistent win condition of the modern deck in which you’re basically using the same cards in the same way. 3 copies of the engine cards and 3 of he staples then spam the same extra deck monsters
@@slayer100141 ya know, I never considered that before 😯 it makes perfect sense now. Weebs with no imagination or creativity searched up an early easy solution on the web, made these decks with paid, traded or stolen materials. Which eventually over the years, flooded the game scape with Domino effects of hundreds then thousands of people ALL running the same game breaking strats 😕 ... How boring
@@jayoshann yeah absolutely, that's what's missing in digital dueling, not getting allowed to pick-up the next card afterwards. But yeah, seeing people's creativity and innovation was the unexpected spice of Yu-Gi-Oh that has been lost with this "Modern Meta" crap. Either they automatically win running a no thought strategy they couldn't think of themselves, or they rage quit and don't even try... That and Negate Negate Negate! 🤦🏻♂️
I think the biggest problems with modern yugioh are these: - Game decisions are compressed into specific game actions in a turn rather than over the course of multiple turns. When game actions get compressed like this, it makes mistakes far more punishing. - Cards and game mechanics have weird nuances that are not intuitive (ex: non-targeted effects, chain blocking, how combos link together, etc.) - Almost every deck is a combo deck by normal card game metrics. For starters, not everyone enjoys playing combo decks and might prefer other styles of play like aggro or control. Modern Yugioh is built on the core principles of combo and offers little other play experience. -When every deck operates like this, floodgate effects become too strong, as they offer the only way to prevent nonsense or slow down the game. This makes stun control the only other play style to choose, which is generally seen as un-fun. - Cards and current combos are far too overwhelming for new players. This is true for players who have and have not played other cards games before. Yugioh as a card game would benefit from a revamp or another format(s) that offered different play experiences or made the game easier to onboard newer players.
I disagree with the majority of this, I think more of what the problem of modern yugioh stems from its player base and how we as players develop versus how other games do it. There are points I do agree with but on what makes modern yugioh are not mostly what you point out.
A Yugioh Con would be a dream for Cos players. The various monsters would spark so many costume ideas. Granted you know there'd be like 20 Dark Magician Girls
the fact that power creep is so high that if you aren't playing a deck from the past 2 years you will just lose to better cards even if they display while you have to play perfectly just to have a fighting chance. solution: just buy a better deck! counterargument: at TCG prices?
2 years would be great if it was true, as we would have dozens of good decks. Try 6 months. If your deck is 6-8 months old its at a HUGE disadvantage against anything new coming out
@@ProfessorShnacktime yeah the issue is, 2 years was generous, Yugioh is months and the cards are expensive, the games arent very interactive after coinflip etc.
i was playing zefra endymion dragon link in 2019 and that Deck would absolutely destroy current meta Decks going 1st and lock them out of special summoning with ez, ofc powercreep is a thing but dont act like pre 2022 decks were so much fairer cause they werent. you just dont enjoy the modern game anymore and thats totally fine
@@strawman8903 So you you try to use an anecdotal circumstance and specific deck and say how it would beat modern decks...Btw, pls bring that deck to a modern day tourney and tell me how you do against Tenpai and Snake eye... Then you make a str- well actually your name is pretty fitting, and then jump to a conclusion about his personal motivations about why he made the argument he did. Honestly, I'm impressed you managed to do all that in 2 sentences. To be more clear, him saying that it feels a lot more power crept since a few years ago, isn't the same thing as him saying yugioh was more faire back then. His point was that card design is a lot more potent then it was just a few years ago.
This channel is really the only thing keeping Yugioh relevant to me. Have lost any passion in playing it but still love listening to passionate people talk about it.
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player, I started with the release of the Yugi/Kaiba starter decks. I fell in love with the game and played endlessly with friends. I also convinced my mom to take me to the nearest Toys 'R' Us - about half an hour away which was a big commitment for us at the time - so I could play in the Duelist League. For a little 6-7yo me, this was the big leagues. I didn't always do well, in fact I hardly ever did. But one of the only memories I still have of all that time ago playing is sitting across from an older boy (15 or so) and flipping Reinforcements to buff my Red-Eyes for game and him explaining that his attack ends with him taking damage and he would lose on my next turn afterwards. That pride has stuck with me and the compliments he kept giving throughout the game were so formative to my Yu-Gi-Oh experience. Which, I could go off on a whole other rant about men's mental health and how just a simple compliment can change our outlook for years. But I digress, back to my story. My friends moved on from the game, and my mom couldn't keep taking me to the Duelist League after a bit, the time commitment was just too much. So, my cards turned into just a collection. One that I treasured and kept pristine. Then, when I was 12, we were moving to a different state and so many things were sold in a yard sale to lighten the move load. My cards - thousands of first edition Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokémon cards - were sold off for a penny each and the ones left over were thrown away. I cried and cried, the move was already hard enough for me and this on top of it all devastated me. Almost on a subconscious principle, I avoided Yu-Gi-Oh afterwards. Card games as a whole, really. It wasn't until my Junior year in high school that a friend got me into Magic. And from then on, Magic was my card game hobby. But lately, now just over five years out of college, I've been wanting to reconnect with Yu-Gi-Oh. I've gotten into Master Duel and I have been loving it. My first attempt a couple of years ago was a nightmare, but I went in with the wrong expectations. I tried to play modern Yu-Gi-Oh and expected it to be like 2002. Going back to it with the thought of it being an entirely different game has been the difference maker. I grabbed the Swordsoul structure deck from the new player giveaway and I set out to learn the game all over again. And so far, it has been a blast. I've consistently made Platinum III, which may not be too high but puts me into good matchups for my skill level and card pool. But I still have issues... Master Duel is, at its core, flawed. The tutorial does a good enough job of teaching you the very foundations of the game, but it essentially teaches you how to doggy paddle then pats you on the back and says to swim in the Olympics. And once you overcome that massive learning curve and start to play the game as it is now, you hit the second biggest barrier. Card acquisition. Now, Konami is a business, and profit is obviously their top concern. I understand this. But I feel they could learn from, of all things, Wizards of the Coast. On Magic: Arena, you earn a booster pack's worth of currency daily if you get your 15 wins. And even better, progress for that is tracked in every game mode outside of private games. When I've mentioned this to other Yu-Gi-Oh players in the past, the counterargument for this is that Ranked then has no purpose. It's where Master Duel gives you rewards and if they instead gave them out for Casual then why bother with Ranked? To that, I point once again to Arena. End of season rewards. The current rank-up rewards are good, I enjoy them, and they feel like enough for what they are. But, to continue to encourage ranked play and improvement, wouldn't it also be better to give *more* rewards at the end of the season based on your placement? In Master Duel, when I finish in Platinum, my reward is starting again in Gold with a pat on the back. In Arena, when I finish a season in Platinum, I get three of the most recent booster packs, enough currency to buy one booster pack of my choice, and two alternate arts for cards. If Master Duel followed this same reward principle - give out mission progress in Casual play, give out more and better rewards in Ranked play, and give us better rewards for Daily and even a Weekly mission overall - players will universally have a better experience in the game. And speaking from my own personal experience, when I enjoy a game more, I'm more incentivized to spend money on microtransactions. After all, why would I spend money on something I *don't* like? Lastly, I feel Master Duel would also benefit from the introduction of additional formats. It has the benefit of being a digital client where various banlists can be enforced automatically and card pools can be cherrypicked much easier than when trying to organize these in paper. Generic formats like Draft and various retro formats are always put forward, and with good reason. I would love to see these get more (or any at all) support and recognition in the one place they can easily get it. But I would also like to put forward a suggestion I don't see be brought up much. Structure Duels. A dedicated queue where you select one of the Structure Decks you own, and it takes you to a deck building screen with the card pool given by the deck and the number of copies you own. Build your deck exclusively with Structure Deck contents and match with other players who are also only playing a single 3x of a Structure Deck. It brings back the feeling of sitting down with friends with decks you bought at Wal-Mart for $20 and going head-to-head. I'm also a big fan of the different Festivals and themed events Master Duel holds, especially when they enforce a limited card pool. A rotating playlist of these events and Festivals that changes, say, weekly or bi-weekly, that players can choose to jump in and out of just to break up the current gameplay loop would be massive for player retention. I know this is essentially an essay I've typed out, and I fully understand if this doesn't get any attention because of it. But if anyone stuck through and reached here, thank you. For reading this, for giving me your time, and hopefully for responding and sharing your own thoughts and experiences. I continue to engage with Yu-Gi-Oh through Master Duel and through nostalgia emulation with friends, and I am just now starting to collect pieces to go to my LGS and play in Locals. I love this game, I am glad I picked it back up, and I want to see it improve. Cheers, Team APS. Passing the turn back to you. Edit: I typed this up while listening at work, and to answer your question for us: I don't think it's Indie given the overall property, but outside of the Big Three card games? I really enjoy Marvel Champions as a cooperative living card game. It has a fantastic design space that's open to a lot of personalization, my girlfriend and I both play and enjoy creating our own Marvel OCs to make decks for. A mutual friend of ours got us into it, and together the three of us are always on top of news and new releases for the game. Can't wait to get my hands on Magneto's deck, and while I'm not too excited for the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. expansion I am still looking forward to it and whatever comes next!
and don`t start with me the poor pricing of the gems like 70 fking dollors for 4k which is not guarantee good ur cards pull, 70 dollars gives you modern day triple A games
@@phdduelacademy Then don't? I'll take the engagement and the boost from your reply but seriously why bother commenting just to say you're not reading it
I cant compete. The best card I have might have 2 effects. The new decks each card has 3 effects. I can try my best to out the board but it doesn’t matter.
For me personally, it feels like all modern decks play the same. Once upon a time it felt like all archetypes did something different: Lightsworns milled, Crystal Beats put themselves as spells, Glads shuffled themselves back and forth, Heroes did fusions etc. But now it feels like every deck has a started that searches some cards that allow you to combo up into setting up some negates. It feels like the game loop is the same. For example I saw people beinf excited about the new "Exodia" deck but like... it's not really an Exodia deck, is it? An Exodia deck aims to assemble all 5 Exodia pieces and win the game that way, the new deck just uses the pieces as combo fodder to go for the same starter -> combo -> set up negates loop that every other deck does.
Certainly true, but part of that comes from the death of the anime. So many of the unique archetypes originated in anime themes where the primary goal was to be fun to watch, and there wasn't much pressure to set a high power level because people were going to buy Crystal Beasts regardless of how playable they were. With no anime, there's less of a push to design wacky playstyles, and there's more need to make archetypes powerful because the "you saw it in the anime, now buy it" angle is gone.
@@yurisei6732 I would say that it comes from not just the death of the anime but prior in Vrains. After Vrains, the design of monsters became all about being used as link materials for a link summon and most link decks tried to do the same thing, that being vomiting out the best board you can with the link monsters available.
The new exodia deck is fun and does not do its work the same way as many older decks. Lol I forgot exodia necross or exodis were cards that use exodia pieces for other things 😂
And there's this sort of annoying thing where decks get more and more generic as their support comes out. Like how kashtira went from an annoying attrition deck with a lockdown Xyz to combo vomit xyz plays with attrition to an engine to splash into visas garbage when konami was done with it.
Alec said that Magic, YGO and Pokemon will all be there, but in my city only one place does YGO, even though most of our LGSs run one event every night at least. An LGS owner told me that most owners hate Konami and don't want to work with them. They also mentioned problems with the community.
Same here. My main store does events with like every modern tcg exect yugioh. They stopped even selling any after the release of the duel monster sets.
Most owners of cars stores just are crashed out older dudes running a consignment shop. They are lazy much of the time and can’t understand that not every product is a winner, but the line is moving up.
@Saixjacket well the guy I spoke to is a successful entrepreneur who specializes in sourcing out of stock sealed product, and the other two LGSs I frequent are owned by a young couple and a father-daughter pair respectively, and given that all of them host over 10+ events per-week and the father daughter pair also run an event consulting business on the side, none of them can be called lazy.
@@arglebargle5531 and their conclusion is to turn a nose up at yugioh because “player base”? BS. It’s because they don’t like certain types of business. They wouldn’t sell MTG if “player base” was a real argument.
@Saixjacket that logic is backwards: If those differences between platerbases didn't exist, then they'd be selling YGO, not not seeking MTG. In reality, MTG the most lucrative game in every store in the city, whereas YGO is carried than Lorcana and One Piece. Who knows, maybe it's just an issue with the YGO community in my city, but it's kind of strange to respond to what I've been told by my LGS owners with "your city's LGS owners are lazy lying old men" given the lack of any basis for that opinion.
Konami missed the point about doing combos. It’s more satisfying pulling combos off when trying to turn the game around rather than keeping the other player from playing the game. Why would I spend more money on a game just so I can watch the other player do solitaire for 15mins?
I recently decided to pick up Yugioh a couple weeks ago. Always loved the art work and style of it as a kid. I don’t have anyone close to play it physically but it’s also been a lot easier to learn in Master Duel since the computer will tell you what you can and can’t do. It’s very confusing to learn but I’m hoping in time I’ll understand it more.
Hope you have a decent time learning it, good luck friend! If you have any questions you can't find answers for, or want to practice against someone that moderately knows what they're doing in Master Duel I wouldn't mind helping you out if you needed it. I know that this game can be SUPER overwhelming, especially in it's rulings and such lmao 😂
I think sooner or later people realize the game design has been getting more and more toxic over time, at least I did because I havent been playing for 10+ years. Every game in Yu-gi-oh is a non game for someone. Card games are luck based enough as it is to be able to draw cards to play the game. Hand traps and traps with the power they all have now make the game even more luck based. DId you draw Shifter against a deck that needs the grave? automatic win. Did you draw fuwaros against a deck that needs to summon a lot? automatic win. Droll against a deck that needs to search? automatic win. Are you even playing a game at that point or are you just trying to stop your opponent from doing anything. Also the cards cost way too much for a game with trash prizing other than case tourneys. Its just too toxic at the end of the day. I switched to pokemon where there are no Hand Traps but deck building is still relevant. Ive won games i thought i was going to lose in the beginning because you cant just steam roll and win on the first turn. Not all the time at least there are options and plays to let you win fast and in cheap ways like in yugioh but its not every game like yugioh.
I stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh for about a year and switched to Magic, I'm having so much fun, not only building decks but enjoying a relaxing format of Commander or Pioneer
Yugioh feels like solitaire sometimes... or like a physical advertisement for things you can't always afford but need to /enjoy/ your hobby and theres this age gap between people still able to live at home and spend money frivilously on a card game with no monitary rewards and people who have to make enough money to pay rent and still play the game. Anybody trying to get into the space is sandbagged with a wealth of information that is intimidating and discouraging but we can all think of the golden era of the game we'd want people to be exposed to in order to share the love, but we've had such a range now that its different for everyone exactly when that golden era even is.
Pokémon has a big fan base consisting of Players and Collectors which speed up the selling of boxes. Also Pokémon has a Set Rotation which incentives buying new packs and cards to stay relevant.
I quit for a while after Tearzero because yeah I was doing well, but after so long I got sick and tired of the crazy power level of everything. Also baronne and apollousa were annoying af cards, thank goodness they're gone. Doesn't matter if they have counterplay. What made me mad is how stupidly generic and strong they were.
Tear is so garbage I haven't played since that and labyrinth they ruined the game I'm not trying to spend hundreds of dollars on a deck they going to slowly ban and bring in a new tier 0 deck
I got into yugioh when master duel came out, and I was HEAVILY invested in the game. What pushed me out was the fact that newer decks keep coming out being more powerful than the previous deck. I didn't wanna keep buying the next meta just to stay relevant in tournaments, but it was also disheartening to see my decks (EX: Labrynth and Vanquish Soul) slowly become weaker simply to power creep. Also, I was getting fatigued every time a new set came out because I would then basically have to take a test on all the new cards and their effects. I'm into Warhammer 40k now
I always bring up 2 reasons why I quit: Yugioh fails to be a game that is only complex and not complicated. But it has become complex AND complicated. And the best games in human history are often designed in a way where you understand the fundamentals very fast because they are easy to learn. And then you are introduced to deeper strategies rendering the games much more complex while not being complicated to learn initially. Yugioh had this around the time before pendulums but just gradually lost it while become more and more crazy. And not only in a good sense. It’s just unbalanced and messy these days. And card pools arent balanced. 2. Konami is just way to greedy while not caring enough to also deliver a great balanced product. I know Yugitubers tend to protect Konami because their business relations might be at risk; but Konami really is that bad of a company when it comes to customer needs. They frankly dont care and it shows in short printed secret rare staples, it shows in unbalanced tier 0 formats that occur more and more often. It shows on every front. These 2 things alson are already enough. But then; there are even other points that just make it even worse. (F.ex OCG and TCG marketing differences).
Lots of good points, nice video. One thing that comes to mind is when Paul said how he thought nearly all cards released prior to 2022 could be released from the ban list, because more modern archetypes/decks since then aren't so affected by them (like cards that allow you to draw cards), however, the main issue with those being unbanned is that they would also help make the most oppressive decks even more consistent/powerful, kind of like hand traps and similar cards have done. :/ (I too am on a hiatus, but I plan on returning at some point, when I get the itch again....)
Hearing Salamangreat being described as the “simple” Link deck is the funniest thing to me. Rarran, a UA-camr who’s also a veteran Hearthstone player, was recommended this deck after doing the tutorials on Master Duel. He was so confused that he ended up just clicking buttons until he removed his own monster.
my girlfriend and I started playing some anime-style decks together with my old cards. We really enjoy Team APS content and will always support your channel! Thanks for the content guys.
Im glad I found your channel. You guys absolutely nailed everything in this video. I think ALOT of us feel exactly how you do about the state of the game. I played since LOB until end of the first wave ox Xyz. Once I came back about a year ago, I just cannot keep up sith what the current meta is so I just go back to play the old GBA, DS games and play Legend of the duelist. Theres no point in trying to learn all these advanced mechanics for me at this point. Im an old head who cant keep up.
For the issue with Tins being a good product or not, it's purely on Konami for ruining them in the first place. Why get rid of promos, and intentionally bloat the set list and cram all chase cards into secret slots so it's harder to pull? On top of that, they reprinted the bonanza IMMEDIATELY after so Tins lose any sliver of remaining value. If you look at the OCG, OCG sealed products have a lot of other stuff like sleeves, dice and whatnot. I don't know who's in charge of doing Konami product designs, but they need to really improve.
I will always say that the over powered extra deck monsters being generic enough to fit in a lot of decks is what ruins yugioh. We need more specific summoning requirements that keep extra deck monsters in their respective archetype. Ex, apollusa, chaos angel, baronne de fluer, and borrelload savage need errata’s to require in archetype materials to summon (ex: savage requiring a rocket dragon as material). It’s too much when my opponent has multiple of those negating beat sticks on the field at a time with a main deck that’s not even related to any of those cards
I think y'all are missing the point of the question about ownership and collectibles. I think you hyper focused on the idea of owning property as in land or a home, but the question to me sounded a lot more about how we don't own *anything* nowadays. How do you get your music? Do you have an expansive CD collection or do you use Spotify? Do you have a substantial library of books or do you maybe use an e-reader or listen to audiobooks? When you buy a game on Steam, where's the physical CD for the game so that you can play it even if something went to hell with the platform? If you do still have CDs or DVDs, what do you use them on? Computers don't come with disc drives most of the time, consoles are now coming as digital only options being pushed at you, and people don't really buy Blu-ray players or DVD players anymore. I think *that's* more what the question was about. Year by year we own less and less and instead we borrow or license it from a big company. I don't have to buy a license for the Gundam kit that I build and put on my shelf, and I don't have to keep an Internet connection active to look at the art I have on my wall, I can wear a t shirt with a cool print of Mario without having to subscribe to Nintendo Switch Online. When more and more of what we pay for we'll never touch or be able to truly say we "own," people will gravitate toward things they can confidently say is theirs (even moreso for the cool things we love).
I actually have a bit of a sizeable library. Nothing compared to some but I prefer to have my books to hold onto. If I can't feel the book in my hands it doesn't feel like I'm reading.
This is why I still buy physical games and movies I like OWNING my stuff. The day these companies start releasing digital only is the day I stop buying new things.
My brother and I still play casually from time to time; been off and on since we were kids. The thing both of us hear consistently is that pendulums and Link cards were where most of us dropped off. In my case, it was like “ok, synchros are just fusions. Got it.” “Xyz, just like Synchros. Got it.” “Pendulums; my opponent plays 8 cards on turn 1 and wins… I’m out.” My brother is a little more forgiving; he argues that power creep ebbed and flowed between the different stages of the anime, original, gx, 5d’s, etc. but everyone he talks to says they had a similar experience to me and that was where they stopped too. He’s been trying to talk me into duel links and master duels to get back in. We’ll see.
As a suggestion, you could just copy the questions and paste them onto a word document and print out all the questions and cut each slip out to put into the pot instead of writing things out. 0:28
Blue Lock mentioned? LFGGGGG Pendulum player here ✋🏾 I’ve tried other card games but yugioh just feels the best and most natural for me. Learning a new deck or new combos isn’t always easy but it feels so rewarding when you nail it and then experimenting with the deck, changing the builds, putting cards in, taking cards out; changing the lines of play you can take and creating a completely different board with the same or similar cards in the main/extra deck is the most cathartic experience for me. Learning how to play around problem decks/cards or how your deck can be punished by various counters is a great learning experience and puts what you have in perspective versus the many different decks that exist in the game. I also only play on Master Duel because the convenience of being able to see all my cards, build a deck or just load in a game at the touch of a button just feels good; also learning how pendulum, which is my favorite summoning mechanic by far, isn’t even at full power in tcg/ocg just keeps me drawn to Master Duel. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk 😂
I love playing Vaylantz and Solfachord on master duel. I love Rescue Ace and Tear but I find that when I play them a lot of people will auto surrender whenever I play them. Vaylantz and Solfachords are very fun decks that have a really fun gimmick that can just win out of nowhere. Lower tier gimmick decks are extremely fun and I will play them over any meta deck 99% of the time
Since you mentioned Flesh and Blood. The game just celebrated its 5th Year anniversary with their World Champs in Osaka, Japan. 🎉🎉🎉 Set 15 out in January 🔥🔥🔥
I played until the introduction of Pendulums. I dearly loved my Blackwing Deck and when it became no longer viable competitively, I fell out of love of the game. Maybe I could have found another deck to play but I became disillusioned by the prevalance of hand traps and the ridiculous amounts of search/summoning spam that new decks could pull out on a consistent basis. Once I saw that the "Yugioh is becoming solitaire" issue wasn't being addressed and was actually getting worse, I knew my time in the game was over.
For me it’s the price of the product vs the return. I really dislike how things get more expensive, the set gets bigger and the pull rates stay the same or get lower.
1:30:36 same a lot of times especially when I have an advantage if my opponent doesn’t surrender I’ll give them a chance to make me regret it because now I learned how they can get out of my arrogance. Crazy but so reawarding. I feel you bro 😭🙏🏾✊🏾
Totally agree with you that Acesscode is way more sacky than Zeus or Typhon. If I'd have to rank them it'd be Acesscode, then Typhon, then Zeus. Just because Zues requires you to run XYZ that can attack and survive, AND hold on to their materials in order to become good. And even then you're just ending on two quick effect dark hole + heavy storm? Which is like, good... but can be easily be played around, but even if not usually Zeus is a last option for a deck so they use the one pop and then they just have a Blue Eyes on board and that's it lol 😂.
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@@dhantefranklin336 Also the MTG community plays moreso for the game itself rather than the tournaments and competitive aspect hence why formats that at first were unofficial like Commander blew up and eventually got turned into official formats. Of course there are always those who will be competitive, but if they were the majority Commander was not going to blow up (and we wouldn't have half of the officially sold products that are aimed at collectors).
1:44:04 Alec talking about the robot girl, we have so many sci-fi movies on why thats a bad idea. Someone watch Ex Machina again and see how fast you unplug your internet
Master Duel story time. Turn 1 they destroy 4 out of 5 cards in my hand and end with negates. Turn 2. Draw. I'm left with two monsters. Neither playable without being destroyed because of their negates. Unplayable game.
I think a Elite Trainer kit could be good for yugioh players that buy at retail stores because if they go off pokemon then you'll get 10-11 packs in the box plus sleeves. A yearly Trainer Kit could also be a good introduction product, print common versions of the common staple cards and some of the more popular engine cards like Azamina, Fiend Smith, and Keshtier, doing this would give new players easy access to these popular cards and engines while still protecting the value of the higher rarity version's of the cards since everything in the box would be a common.
The issue with that is many popular staples are ONLY available as a high rarity on purpose, Konami didn't simply forget to make a common version of staples.
The product you were thinking of at the beginning was called a deluxe edition. Got just under half a box worth of packs, a promo and some sleeves. The sleeves were awful though
The LGS event that got me to stop playing Yugioh was a guy who played subterror stun and dragged out the set to time against my super casual blackwings deck that I was playing because we had 8 year olds and stuff trying to have fun so why would I stomp them with meta. After 90 minues of smelling this guy he goes to my best friend and says "wow your friend really doesn't know what he's doing." The power creeped combined with people trying to South Park skit stomp 8 year olds in a card game turned me off of playing. If they had sponsored edison or better formatting for yugioh I would go back but for now MTG way better formats and power leveling than yugioh.
@49:29 it’s actually insane, but he IS wrong here. In the no banlist OCG tournaments of 2023, they didn’t run pot of greed. It was usually graceful charity to draw EVEN MORE plus put things you need in the GY. The remaining slots were lots of good engine, and banned stuff like painful choice and vanity’s.
30:03 There are 2 reasons why cimo didn't come back to modern yugioh 1. Burnout(simple reason) 2. During in the 2018-19 cimo was blacklist by konami because he promoted singles.
My favourite indi card game was Akora actually~ it was simple, some would say too simple, but I liked it. It was fun to just play a few mindless fun games with friends, not perfectly balanced but just casual fun. I actually see and treat goat yugi format the same way. It died, but I still play to this day with my gf and a few friends. It was actually the charming art that got me into the game~ that was one of the few actually great things it had lol (albeit in later sets; set1 looked okay but the later sets looked great, and played much better gameplay-wise)
I love older Yu-Gi-Oh. Been playing since 04 but I honestly don't want to go back. I prefer to play modern yugioh and I think more people would enjoy it if there was a solid on boarding process to the game. I do want there to be an official lower format for people that want that experience though.
I went to locals for the first time in a decade, played Millennium. Everyone was playing something tier 2, and one guy had Snake Eyes. It was a pretty low-key event and I did decent, won 3 rounds of 4, tied the last one, but I don't think I will be doing this regularly due to the time rules cheesing out games and most of what I want to do I can do in Master Duel anyway. Not bad overall, but there are alternatives now. Edit: I had spooky Dogwood and Lava Golem in the main and the prospect of winning in time was present in almost every game. Should really be end of turn, not end of phase.
nowadays it doesn't matter if you will be able to play going second, your opponent will play turn 1 and play more turn 2, its so obnoxious modern decks playing on the opponent turn almost the same as they play on their on turn
@@kuromoriofi For me this is the biggest thing. When Kashtira released I was really starting to contemplate quitting. Decks that not only play on both turns but also essentially prevent you from playing the game was starting to get to me. It's one thing banishing cards face down from the field. But doing it straight from the deck or extra deck is so toxic.
Once again I am asking Konami to bring Rush Duel to the west. You guys are the only yugioh content I watch because I like your personalities, takes and fun videos. I've tried to get back into YGO but the gameplay of the modern game just doesn't appeal to me at all. But if Rush Duel were in english I would be buying. Wild that Konami doesn't want revenue. Im sure there are plenty of people who feel the same way.
I would love to see Rush Duel in the west, i started playing it a few months after release (i just translated and printed the cards every set and played with interested friends) But if they go by set order in JP the game will meet the same fate a speed duel. the first year and a half was a tier zero format (which was the first 2 structure decks meshed together). so they need to switch up some of the sets or put some of the later released traps cards into the first few sets as that is what made the meta deck so powerful, spell casters had like the 3 best traps locked to their type and nothing else could compare.
Rush Duels has been available in Duel Links for 2 years. I thought I would love it. But I don't. I still spend my money on Time Wizard formats instead.
@@mairain6443To that point it might be better if they entirely remix the sets for the western release. This could make for an exciting game where the western meta is completely different from what the Japanese meta game was so we have less copy/pastes of whatever the best thing was at the same number is sets.
The Anti-Meta Casual is BY FAR the most annoying and disgusting kind of person. The Meta-Sheeps at least aiming for to actually being successful. But those anti-meta clowns just aiming for to annoy people, as their decks are simply not viable to win anything anyway. They steal a victory here and there and run somones day but thats it. They leave events 1-8 and just wasted everyones time, including their own
This will sound like an extreme change, but Yu-gi-oh needs keywords to reduce that card text. A lot of the cards seem to have repeated text that is highly redundant, like mentioning once per turn, cards except "name of the card" and can't be special summon or set...except in a specific way. If you keyworded summoning conditions, use a symbol or overall game rule that states unique effects are once per turn unless otherwise stated, etc. Perhaps text it out in a digital environment like Master Duel and see how it plays out. No harm is done if it doesn't work. A few symbols and keywords to keep the game digestible would go a long way. No, I don't have an answer for every possible card effect, but all the repeated typical text on cards can be reduced significantly.
We need more formats and support on them with tournaments etc... (goat, edison and maybe some newer ones) Im fine with the powerlevel and i like the new art even tho i never play the best decks. More like tier 2 (VV atm) I mean they will keep printing cards and they need to make them somehow interesting to buy even for meta players so the powerlevel will increase until a certain point is reached. Even tho they control how fast it increses. Then they will have to fix and balance by banning/limiting in a big banlist... I think with all the new good support for older decks and the rarity collections you see a trend where the game gets better but thats just my opinion...
I stopped playing in 2006 and have tried getting back in a little with Duel Links, but even that is too modern for my taste. A fellow Yugiboomer friend and I play Speed Duel, but with all 5 zones and 8000 LP so it’s more like “real” Yugioh but with Speed Duel cards so it’s more at the power level we like. I’d be interested in playing like Edison, but none of the Yugioh players at my locals are interested and none of my Speed Duel friend’s mutual friends are interested and our separate friends aren’t interested either. BTW Flesh and Blood is my primary TCG and I love it so I’m glad there was at least some mention of it here ^_^
Is there a "Starter/Structure deck format"?Maybe that would be nice,like plain or with some rule like you can repeat cards presentin the deck. Much love from Spain
Im just now getting back into yugioh and ive found that ignoring the meta and just playing what interest me while occasionally taking games off some of the best decks has been a lot of fun i dont know what my opponent is doing half the time but some times i get lucky with my negate or i go first and set red rising (i am the true master of faster) and wipe there whole bored and its funny watching my 100 dollar anime deck stop them in there tracks lol
I just re-picked up YuGiOh after MANY years of not playing. I’m talking when Infernal Flame Emperor came out. I have to say that I do love the modern format. HOWEVER, I do not like how quickly the meta changes. It can take me around 1-2 months to research, play test, and physically build a deck and then a new set will come out and more than likely changes the meta. How do you combat or work around this?
I mainly just do one deck. I'll build other decks if I think they're fun, but for the most part I just try and improve my Ancient Gear deck and prep it for every format. Maybe if a meta deck is cool I get into it, but no mater how invested or uninvested I am, I just come back to Ancient Gears, a deck I know and know how to pilot well and I'm right at home. Maybe if I've been away for a bit I fall on my face, but once ya figure out the meta you slide back in. Helps a lot if you're favorite deck got specific support some point after 2021.
@ Appreciate the tips and info! I’m still testing many decks out in simulators and learning about all the new archetypes to select a playstyle that fits me best and will probably do as you advised and stick to it to master it.
@@danslitadventure I mean I think that's the joy of Yu-Gi-Oh. No matter who you are there's a deck for you. My advice is to go to Master Duel meta and look through the list of secret packs, because those packs usually have most of the cards and strategies you need within them. Then it's just a mater of what deck you think is cool and resonates with you that you can play well. Who knows, maybe your deck hasn't even been released yet and one day you'll see an archetype that just speaks to you. Good news is Konami is at least spreading the love and giving just about every deck broken cards. Heck look at Genex and Jurrac, they were so bad Konami said screw it and gave them cards that would make any other archetype tier 0. So more and more we're seeing most decks get the tools they need to play well.
For indie card games, I've been playing a lot of Force of Will. It's a game known for great art but it's sad to see them cut corners in that front because when the art is good, it's REAL good. I feel like I can't show it to people until they revamp their presentation (a 4th time).
Great episode guys! Out of all the things I could say, there is only one thing I would like to add: at 1:53:00 my man did the best Kayne expression I’ve ever seen (unironically) 😂
i’ve tried getting into this game multiple times and honestly the cards have too many words😂 like hundreds of cards and combos. I’m a one piece player so maybe it’s just a skill issue.
My local shop has an event basically everyday. Monday-Thursday they are open all day but only hold events around 7pm. Friday Saturday Sunday depending on the events there could be 2-3. Usually in succession since it is a very small shop
I’ve noticed that most yugi tubers are doing legacy style matches (goat, Edison, battle city) and the community love its. I think if you removed links from the game and harped down on the ban list a little more you’d probably regain a ton of interest. A lot of these meta decks require link extenders
@@kingofthemanties especially when you play something close to anime deck and it dont have much of support or extenders and you face not only META but unlimited hand traps on top of it >_> and there no official way to play those decks outside of private lobbies
In a game that sold us on the range of creativity and back and forth play... The game starts with how much time and money you can dump into it (the more the better). You now have to choose from a very small handful of decks that look like robots, waifus, and/or dragons, with the options being whatever anyone else is playing. The game plan is now "whatever you draw, go through 20 cards on your first turn and another 5 (that are almost identical) on your opponents, for the goal of making them play as close to zero cards as possible. Do it long enough for your opponent to take a bathroom break. If they somehow play through it... Then if your deck is one of those that can just do it all over again, cool. Either way, someone effectively OTKs. Wait for a banlist or new releases that are more about profit than balancing, and then do it all again ad nauseum.
As far as modern stuff, and not liking to make modern yugioh content, i think theres value in showing your modern favorites like voiceless voice and such, wether its a handful of duels or a ladder or something i think a lot of us who watch enjoy the excitement you have for the yugioh you enjoy Some of my favorites are when you use those decks, like when you won you swapped deck, those were really fun videos
Speaking on "indi" card games. I carry two decks of Yomi in my deck box to play in between rounds at locals. Everyone I've shown it to has loved it. Its not a TCG, each deck is a purchasable product. Edit: Okay after watching more of the video and learning you guys both like fighting games, Yomi is a fighting game simulator. Both players place a card facedown at the same time and reveal it. Its a rock paper scissors type game with "Grab", "Attack", and "Block". From there, you're allowed to add cards from your hand that "combo" from the landed hit. Its really fun. $20 buy in, I say it deserves an episode :)
1:34:34i agree thats why i think about my whole play in my main phase and even while my opponent is playing so i can get through all the searching and shuffling quick so it wont feel like such a long turn
My favorite indie card game is Varia. It's like Flesh and Blood, but you can make your own characters, and you don't have to play the resource management mini-game every time you want to play a card. You just get a flat 10 action points per turn. Also, the difference between "your turn" and "my turn" is just who plays cards first. Each turn feels interesting because you aren't just blocking or avoiding your opponent's attacks, you can actually counter-attack. Finally, it's an XCG instead of a TCG. If you want X card, you just need to find out which deck it comes in and buy the deck. Worst case scenario is that you want a playset of a card that is a one-of in a deck and you have to buy 3 of those decks. Decks are less than $20 and you can get a whole season of 8 characters for $100. The decks are very playable and competitive with each other, out of the box.
I tell people to just play YGO casually with people who play on the same level/tier of power and the game is great. Agree on some rules with friends and the game is one of the best ever
Power level of a deck is hard to tell sometimes i wonder a system like what magic the gathering is trying to do would work by giving a ranking of each card and depending how many of those cards you have is the level of those decks
The One Turn Kill If you have been keeping up with every summoning method. All you need to do is go second in the Master Duel online game and get a 3,000 point monster out on the field. You get to attack on the first turn if you go second.
I just throwing this out there, i hope Master Duel does a pre-Synchro era event/playlist, i would love to play with old releases. Or even do progressive thing as another event thingy. If they did that before, they should bring it back.
On the thought of pure decks, I have solely not played snake eyes or Centurion because they're a mix of Archtypes. Dragonmaid was my return to master duel and it's solely dragonmaids and an occasional dragon in the extra deck. Same with now Im piloting sky stiker, and that is essentially all sky striker cards
"What Really Pushes Players Out of Modern Yu-Gi-Oh?" repetition, the inability to play and the barrier-to-entry that is learning the meta card pool when it comes to staples and how grating it is to see the same exact scenarios nearly every game (on both sides) regardless of the deck people are playing. When people play a game, they want to see the dynamic possibilities of the variety of gameplay so they can find what appeals to them and what to prepare for but yugioh, as a lifelong player, it very difficult to want to show to people who are unfamiliar because of the gamestate its standardized to be what the game revolves around. There isn't so much of a game to learn anymore as much as there is a study guide of what you're going to have to deal with that you can't prepare for and how much of the game relies on knowing exactly what moment you should ash what card on to get any advantage- but they had a called by, oh well, you lose.
I live Indie card games! (Flesh and Blood by far my favorite game rn) But something I noticed recently is that not every store runs Yugioh events now. You can find Magic and Pokémon almost everywhere but even Yugioh is starting to fall behind and join the ranks of “if there’s time on the schedule we’ll run it”
As someone who played and stopped playing yugioh back when pegasus starter deck came out. Madolche made me intrested but seeing Tearlaments in tournaments made me download Master Duel on its release and play the game
As an old-school yugioh player who was immediately turned off by the XYZ and Synchro meta games, it really just seems like the game has become too complicated which is fine for hardcore players who want to go down that route but excludes casuals (most people). I would love to have a format that only allows cards up through the GX era.
I personally have a Love&Hate relationship with Yugioh specifically speaking on Master Duel and I’m also speaking as a casual player as well 😅 The cards that are damn near impervious to effects or have multiple negates (Dragon Master Magia for example) is an instant fun killer for me. Might be fun for my opponents what but fun is it to have to surrender when your deck is basically locked? Konami needs to make it to where you get rewarded for going into casual and dueling there instead of ranked being the main priority when there aren’t events as well for the casual people who want to try out their new deck combos and not get recked in rank or have to play The Absolute Monarch everytime to get your strategy down
Kudos for the Mob Psycho 100 recommendation! One of the best. That's one of mine and I'll include Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and Vinland Saga. FMAB is 64 episodes but it's a complete story and has so many great characters and an interesting story that kinda reminds me of Avatar in it's structure. Vinland Saga isn't finished but the 2 seasons it has are brilliant. The overall theme is growing and becoming a good person. And this is shown through Thorfinn who grows up with hatred in his heart but has to overcome that. And the only other thing I can say is it has such standout characters. Since y'all said Mob Psycho, I'll throw in another one: Spy x Family. It's got around the same number of episodes right now as Mob and is still going but is just wholesome fun. The 3 MCs are fantastic and the goofy situations with high, yet somehow low, stakes is just great. I've actually made a list recently of 7 Anime for Non-Anime fans and those 4 shows are on it along with Cowboy Bebop, Death Note and Demon Slayer. First two are classics while Demon Slayer is like the original Star Wars movie. Just good fun and action! (The animation in the fights is also god tier)
My friend and I have bonded recently over our love for TCG. We agree that the meta has gotten completely out of hand. He and I play mid to upper-mid tier as a result.
Duel Links might not have the endless combo potential but at least I can do all my dailies in the same time it takes to witness a full Hero combo in MD.
The power level of going first has completely detered me from playing.
When hand traps are mandatory its a problem because they are random on the first hand. Cards now either have to be randomly drawn on turn 0 or be unrespondable on turn 1 to be playable.
Thats insane.
I've always said that if they're going to keep Hand Traps and make them compulsory for competitive play then they might as well add Archetype Hand Traps into every Archetype deck. Same with Triple Tactics Thrust, ROTA, Kaijuu, Ghost Ogre, Ash Bollsom etc... Add an Archetype equivalent to every deck which needs it.
for me was when the decks started playing and doing combos in both players turn
@@kuromoriofiagree. Even tho i still play some today. Those type of decks make me just want to not play. I dont mind traps or head traps. But full combo on both ur turn and my turn is a problem
@AWBM1993 they did this with Tear, R-ACE, and Tearlament then just stopped. Pretty disappointing because I think all of the in archetype handtrap esque cards were pretty interesting
i was playing zefra endymion dragon link in 2019 and that Deck would absolutely destroy current meta Decks going first and lock them out of special summoning with ez, ofc powercreep is a thing but dont act like pre 2022 decks were so much fairer cause they werent. you just dont enjoy the modern game anymore and thats totally fine
I don't even play Yu-Gi-Oh. I just like getting your unique perspectives on TCGs.
I was pushed out of modern yugioh just because the meta decks happen to never interest me aesthetically. I only play decks I think look good, which has resulted in me playing decks that aren't very meta. If they ever make a pretty meta deck, I'll probably start going to tournaments again.
Oh? Which decks are those?
Ghotti was really nice.
Yeah I kinda get it. I love Purrely, but in MD it takes so long to win with one Delicious Memory if you don't open THE nuts, and the lines aren't super linear so it'd just be easier to run the ladder with a meta deck (turn brain off, do same combo, win 3 games in the time it takes to win 1 game with Purrely even if I like playing Purrely waaay more)😅
@@mikehawk8984100 with you! Purrely is great but the time/brain power investment just isn’t worth it most of the time 😅
Wym by pretty? 🤔 Purrely or Maliss pretty?
1.-The Initial Setup 2.-The Back and Forth 3.-The Unexpected Combacks. That's what made yugioh so appealing and popular in the early 00's. It was a very action packed and kind of dramatic card game. Do you agree? Or what do you think made the game appealing in the first place?
@@RomeoPriego I completely agree!
On top of this, I loved seeing the real interesting unique style of decks that these players would create AAAAND on top of all the above...
Seeing the ingenious and improvised strategies that each player would come up with to make that "Come Back" at the very end! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That's what kept me coming back for more!!! Not this one and done, unimaginative Meta sh§÷√ 😑...
@@VictorythroughUnity59 Honestly I think the internet has ruined a lot general games diversity. Every single game now has "Meta" guides that a bunch of people will only play the game with that meta strategy.
@@RomeoPriego absolutely agree, I’d add that the fun of not knowing what you were going to draw next and then figuring out how you were going to McGiver/ strategies your way into a winning situation with the combination of different cards in your hand. But no the combos are sort of pre-prescribed by the hyper consistent win condition of the modern deck in which you’re basically using the same cards in the same way. 3 copies of the engine cards and 3 of he staples then spam the same extra deck monsters
@@slayer100141 ya know, I never considered that before 😯 it makes perfect sense now.
Weebs with no imagination or creativity searched up an early easy solution on the web, made these decks with paid, traded or stolen materials. Which eventually over the years, flooded the game scape with Domino effects of hundreds then thousands of people ALL running the same game breaking strats 😕
... How boring
@@jayoshann yeah absolutely, that's what's missing in digital dueling, not getting allowed to pick-up the next card afterwards.
But yeah, seeing people's creativity and innovation was the unexpected spice of Yu-Gi-Oh that has been lost with this "Modern Meta" crap. Either they automatically win running a no thought strategy they couldn't think of themselves, or they rage quit and don't even try...
That and Negate Negate Negate! 🤦🏻♂️
I think the biggest problems with modern yugioh are these:
- Game decisions are compressed into specific game actions in a turn rather than over the course of multiple turns. When game actions get compressed like this, it makes mistakes far more punishing.
- Cards and game mechanics have weird nuances that are not intuitive (ex: non-targeted effects, chain blocking, how combos link together, etc.)
- Almost every deck is a combo deck by normal card game metrics. For starters, not everyone enjoys playing combo decks and might prefer other styles of play like aggro or control. Modern Yugioh is built on the core principles of combo and offers little other play experience.
-When every deck operates like this, floodgate effects become too strong, as they offer the only way to prevent nonsense or slow down the game. This makes stun control the only other play style to choose, which is generally seen as un-fun.
- Cards and current combos are far too overwhelming for new players. This is true for players who have and have not played other cards games before.
Yugioh as a card game would benefit from a revamp or another format(s) that offered different play experiences or made the game easier to onboard newer players.
Damn you really just distilled my own personal gripes with modern Yu-Gi-Oh into a nice, ordered list.
@apsamplifier I feel like I only scratched the surface. Haha
Fair! We could always go on
I disagree with the majority of this, I think more of what the problem of modern yugioh stems from its player base and how we as players develop versus how other games do it. There are points I do agree with but on what makes modern yugioh are not mostly what you point out.
A Yugioh Con would be a dream for Cos players. The various monsters would spark so many costume ideas. Granted you know there'd be like 20 Dark Magician Girls
the fact that power creep is so high that if you aren't playing a deck from the past 2 years you will just lose to better cards even if they display while you have to play perfectly just to have a fighting chance.
solution: just buy a better deck!
counterargument: at TCG prices?
Every card game wants you to play cards from the past couple years. Past one year, really, in the other two huge TCGs. (Pokémon and mtg)
2 years would be great if it was true, as we would have dozens of good decks. Try 6 months. If your deck is 6-8 months old its at a HUGE disadvantage against anything new coming out
@@ProfessorShnacktime yeah the issue is, 2 years was generous, Yugioh is months and the cards are expensive, the games arent very interactive after coinflip etc.
i was playing zefra endymion dragon link in 2019 and that Deck would absolutely destroy current meta Decks going 1st and lock them out of special summoning with ez, ofc powercreep is a thing but dont act like pre 2022 decks were so much fairer cause they werent. you just dont enjoy the modern game anymore and thats totally fine
@@strawman8903 So you you try to use an anecdotal circumstance and specific deck and say how it would beat modern decks...Btw, pls bring that deck to a modern day tourney and tell me how you do against Tenpai and Snake eye... Then you make a str- well actually your name is pretty fitting, and then jump to a conclusion about his personal motivations about why he made the argument he did. Honestly, I'm impressed you managed to do all that in 2 sentences.
To be more clear, him saying that it feels a lot more power crept since a few years ago, isn't the same thing as him saying yugioh was more faire back then. His point was that card design is a lot more potent then it was just a few years ago.
This channel is really the only thing keeping Yugioh relevant to me. Have lost any passion in playing it but still love listening to passionate people talk about it.
for me its how much time you have to continuously sink into it to have fun and still know whats going on.
It's because you don't believe in the heart of the cards
And money. I spent so much just buying staples and side tech before reprints. So to keep up you basically have to buy cards at around their peak cost.
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player, I started with the release of the Yugi/Kaiba starter decks. I fell in love with the game and played endlessly with friends. I also convinced my mom to take me to the nearest Toys 'R' Us - about half an hour away which was a big commitment for us at the time - so I could play in the Duelist League. For a little 6-7yo me, this was the big leagues. I didn't always do well, in fact I hardly ever did. But one of the only memories I still have of all that time ago playing is sitting across from an older boy (15 or so) and flipping Reinforcements to buff my Red-Eyes for game and him explaining that his attack ends with him taking damage and he would lose on my next turn afterwards. That pride has stuck with me and the compliments he kept giving throughout the game were so formative to my Yu-Gi-Oh experience. Which, I could go off on a whole other rant about men's mental health and how just a simple compliment can change our outlook for years. But I digress, back to my story. My friends moved on from the game, and my mom couldn't keep taking me to the Duelist League after a bit, the time commitment was just too much. So, my cards turned into just a collection. One that I treasured and kept pristine. Then, when I was 12, we were moving to a different state and so many things were sold in a yard sale to lighten the move load. My cards - thousands of first edition Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokémon cards - were sold off for a penny each and the ones left over were thrown away. I cried and cried, the move was already hard enough for me and this on top of it all devastated me. Almost on a subconscious principle, I avoided Yu-Gi-Oh afterwards. Card games as a whole, really. It wasn't until my Junior year in high school that a friend got me into Magic. And from then on, Magic was my card game hobby. But lately, now just over five years out of college, I've been wanting to reconnect with Yu-Gi-Oh. I've gotten into Master Duel and I have been loving it. My first attempt a couple of years ago was a nightmare, but I went in with the wrong expectations. I tried to play modern Yu-Gi-Oh and expected it to be like 2002. Going back to it with the thought of it being an entirely different game has been the difference maker. I grabbed the Swordsoul structure deck from the new player giveaway and I set out to learn the game all over again. And so far, it has been a blast. I've consistently made Platinum III, which may not be too high but puts me into good matchups for my skill level and card pool. But I still have issues...
Master Duel is, at its core, flawed. The tutorial does a good enough job of teaching you the very foundations of the game, but it essentially teaches you how to doggy paddle then pats you on the back and says to swim in the Olympics. And once you overcome that massive learning curve and start to play the game as it is now, you hit the second biggest barrier. Card acquisition. Now, Konami is a business, and profit is obviously their top concern. I understand this. But I feel they could learn from, of all things, Wizards of the Coast. On Magic: Arena, you earn a booster pack's worth of currency daily if you get your 15 wins. And even better, progress for that is tracked in every game mode outside of private games. When I've mentioned this to other Yu-Gi-Oh players in the past, the counterargument for this is that Ranked then has no purpose. It's where Master Duel gives you rewards and if they instead gave them out for Casual then why bother with Ranked? To that, I point once again to Arena. End of season rewards. The current rank-up rewards are good, I enjoy them, and they feel like enough for what they are. But, to continue to encourage ranked play and improvement, wouldn't it also be better to give *more* rewards at the end of the season based on your placement? In Master Duel, when I finish in Platinum, my reward is starting again in Gold with a pat on the back. In Arena, when I finish a season in Platinum, I get three of the most recent booster packs, enough currency to buy one booster pack of my choice, and two alternate arts for cards. If Master Duel followed this same reward principle - give out mission progress in Casual play, give out more and better rewards in Ranked play, and give us better rewards for Daily and even a Weekly mission overall - players will universally have a better experience in the game. And speaking from my own personal experience, when I enjoy a game more, I'm more incentivized to spend money on microtransactions. After all, why would I spend money on something I *don't* like?
Lastly, I feel Master Duel would also benefit from the introduction of additional formats. It has the benefit of being a digital client where various banlists can be enforced automatically and card pools can be cherrypicked much easier than when trying to organize these in paper. Generic formats like Draft and various retro formats are always put forward, and with good reason. I would love to see these get more (or any at all) support and recognition in the one place they can easily get it. But I would also like to put forward a suggestion I don't see be brought up much. Structure Duels. A dedicated queue where you select one of the Structure Decks you own, and it takes you to a deck building screen with the card pool given by the deck and the number of copies you own. Build your deck exclusively with Structure Deck contents and match with other players who are also only playing a single 3x of a Structure Deck. It brings back the feeling of sitting down with friends with decks you bought at Wal-Mart for $20 and going head-to-head. I'm also a big fan of the different Festivals and themed events Master Duel holds, especially when they enforce a limited card pool. A rotating playlist of these events and Festivals that changes, say, weekly or bi-weekly, that players can choose to jump in and out of just to break up the current gameplay loop would be massive for player retention.
I know this is essentially an essay I've typed out, and I fully understand if this doesn't get any attention because of it. But if anyone stuck through and reached here, thank you. For reading this, for giving me your time, and hopefully for responding and sharing your own thoughts and experiences. I continue to engage with Yu-Gi-Oh through Master Duel and through nostalgia emulation with friends, and I am just now starting to collect pieces to go to my LGS and play in Locals. I love this game, I am glad I picked it back up, and I want to see it improve. Cheers, Team APS. Passing the turn back to you.
Edit: I typed this up while listening at work, and to answer your question for us: I don't think it's Indie given the overall property, but outside of the Big Three card games? I really enjoy Marvel Champions as a cooperative living card game. It has a fantastic design space that's open to a lot of personalization, my girlfriend and I both play and enjoy creating our own Marvel OCs to make decks for. A mutual friend of ours got us into it, and together the three of us are always on top of news and new releases for the game. Can't wait to get my hands on Magneto's deck, and while I'm not too excited for the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. expansion I am still looking forward to it and whatever comes next!
and don`t start with me the poor pricing of the gems like 70 fking dollors for 4k which is not guarantee good ur cards pull, 70 dollars gives you modern day triple A games
not reading all that lmfao
@@phdduelacademy Then don't? I'll take the engagement and the boost from your reply but seriously why bother commenting just to say you're not reading it
@@pinkfrappe_ its just a joke brooooo
@@phdduelacademy Ain't jokes supposed to be funny broooooooo
I cant compete. The best card I have might have 2 effects. The new decks each card has 3 effects. I can try my best to out the board but it doesn’t matter.
For me personally, it feels like all modern decks play the same. Once upon a time it felt like all archetypes did something different: Lightsworns milled, Crystal Beats put themselves as spells, Glads shuffled themselves back and forth, Heroes did fusions etc. But now it feels like every deck has a started that searches some cards that allow you to combo up into setting up some negates. It feels like the game loop is the same.
For example I saw people beinf excited about the new "Exodia" deck but like... it's not really an Exodia deck, is it? An Exodia deck aims to assemble all 5 Exodia pieces and win the game that way, the new deck just uses the pieces as combo fodder to go for the same starter -> combo -> set up negates loop that every other deck does.
Certainly true, but part of that comes from the death of the anime. So many of the unique archetypes originated in anime themes where the primary goal was to be fun to watch, and there wasn't much pressure to set a high power level because people were going to buy Crystal Beasts regardless of how playable they were. With no anime, there's less of a push to design wacky playstyles, and there's more need to make archetypes powerful because the "you saw it in the anime, now buy it" angle is gone.
@@yurisei6732 I would say that it comes from not just the death of the anime but prior in Vrains. After Vrains, the design of monsters became all about being used as link materials for a link summon and most link decks tried to do the same thing, that being vomiting out the best board you can with the link monsters available.
The new exodia deck is fun and does not do its work the same way as many older decks. Lol I forgot exodia necross or exodis were cards that use exodia pieces for other things 😂
I totally agree
And there's this sort of annoying thing where decks get more and more generic as their support comes out. Like how kashtira went from an annoying attrition deck with a lockdown Xyz to combo vomit xyz plays with attrition to an engine to splash into visas garbage when konami was done with it.
I've been eating up speed duel products to start playing yugioh again and my wife wanted to join. We are having so much fun.
Alec said that Magic, YGO and Pokemon will all be there, but in my city only one place does YGO, even though most of our LGSs run one event every night at least.
An LGS owner told me that most owners hate Konami and don't want to work with them. They also mentioned problems with the community.
Same here. My main store does events with like every modern tcg exect yugioh. They stopped even selling any after the release of the duel monster sets.
Most owners of cars stores just are crashed out older dudes running a consignment shop. They are lazy much of the time and can’t understand that not every product is a winner, but the line is moving up.
@Saixjacket well the guy I spoke to is a successful entrepreneur who specializes in sourcing out of stock sealed product, and the other two LGSs I frequent are owned by a young couple and a father-daughter pair respectively, and given that all of them host over 10+ events per-week and the father daughter pair also run an event consulting business on the side, none of them can be called lazy.
@@arglebargle5531 and their conclusion is to turn a nose up at yugioh because “player base”? BS. It’s because they don’t like certain types of business. They wouldn’t sell MTG if “player base” was a real argument.
@Saixjacket that logic is backwards: If those differences between platerbases didn't exist, then they'd be selling YGO, not not seeking MTG. In reality, MTG the most lucrative game in every store in the city, whereas YGO is carried than Lorcana and One Piece.
Who knows, maybe it's just an issue with the YGO community in my city, but it's kind of strange to respond to what I've been told by my LGS owners with "your city's LGS owners are lazy lying old men" given the lack of any basis for that opinion.
Konami missed the point about doing combos. It’s more satisfying pulling combos off when trying to turn the game around rather than keeping the other player from playing the game.
Why would I spend more money on a game just so I can watch the other player do solitaire for 15mins?
I recently decided to pick up Yugioh a couple weeks ago. Always loved the art work and style of it as a kid. I don’t have anyone close to play it physically but it’s also been a lot easier to learn in Master Duel since the computer will tell you what you can and can’t do. It’s very confusing to learn but I’m hoping in time I’ll understand it more.
Hope you have a decent time learning it, good luck friend! If you have any questions you can't find answers for, or want to practice against someone that moderately knows what they're doing in Master Duel I wouldn't mind helping you out if you needed it. I know that this game can be SUPER overwhelming, especially in it's rulings and such lmao 😂
I think sooner or later people realize the game design has been getting more and more toxic over time, at least I did because I havent been playing for 10+ years. Every game in Yu-gi-oh is a non game for someone. Card games are luck based enough as it is to be able to draw cards to play the game. Hand traps and traps with the power they all have now make the game even more luck based. DId you draw Shifter against a deck that needs the grave? automatic win. Did you draw fuwaros against a deck that needs to summon a lot? automatic win. Droll against a deck that needs to search? automatic win. Are you even playing a game at that point or are you just trying to stop your opponent from doing anything. Also the cards cost way too much for a game with trash prizing other than case tourneys. Its just too toxic at the end of the day. I switched to pokemon where there are no Hand Traps but deck building is still relevant. Ive won games i thought i was going to lose in the beginning because you cant just steam roll and win on the first turn. Not all the time at least there are options and plays to let you win fast and in cheap ways like in yugioh but its not every game like yugioh.
I stopped playing Yu-Gi-Oh for about a year and switched to Magic, I'm having so much fun, not only building decks but enjoying a relaxing format of Commander or Pioneer
Magic is still more of a old school ygo design. Games go back and forth and you dont have to watch your opponents play solo for 10-15min straight
Yugioh feels like solitaire sometimes... or like a physical advertisement for things you can't always afford but need to /enjoy/ your hobby and theres this age gap between people still able to live at home and spend money frivilously on a card game with no monitary rewards and people who have to make enough money to pay rent and still play the game. Anybody trying to get into the space is sandbagged with a wealth of information that is intimidating and discouraging but we can all think of the golden era of the game we'd want people to be exposed to in order to share the love, but we've had such a range now that its different for everyone exactly when that golden era even is.
I can tell you are poor
I can tell you're 12
@@DitzyClips I make six figures buddy. I can tell you don’t
Pokémon has a big fan base consisting of Players and Collectors which speed up the selling of boxes. Also Pokémon has a Set Rotation which incentives buying new packs and cards to stay relevant.
One should not forget that the entry point (thanks to different rarity’s) is also way cheaper than Yugioh
I quit for a while after Tearzero because yeah I was doing well, but after so long I got sick and tired of the crazy power level of everything. Also baronne and apollousa were annoying af cards, thank goodness they're gone. Doesn't matter if they have counterplay. What made me mad is how stupidly generic and strong they were.
Tear is so garbage I haven't played since that and labyrinth they ruined the game I'm not trying to spend hundreds of dollars on a deck they going to slowly ban and bring in a new tier 0 deck
I got into yugioh when master duel came out, and I was HEAVILY invested in the game. What pushed me out was the fact that newer decks keep coming out being more powerful than the previous deck. I didn't wanna keep buying the next meta just to stay relevant in tournaments, but it was also disheartening to see my decks (EX: Labrynth and Vanquish Soul) slowly become weaker simply to power creep. Also, I was getting fatigued every time a new set came out because I would then basically have to take a test on all the new cards and their effects. I'm into Warhammer 40k now
I always bring up 2 reasons why I quit:
Yugioh fails to be a game that is only complex and not complicated. But it has become complex AND complicated. And the best games in human history are often designed in a way where you understand the fundamentals very fast because they are easy to learn. And then you are introduced to deeper strategies rendering the games much more complex while not being complicated to learn initially.
Yugioh had this around the time before pendulums but just gradually lost it while become more and more crazy. And not only in a good sense. It’s just unbalanced and messy these days. And card pools arent balanced.
2. Konami is just way to greedy while not caring enough to also deliver a great balanced product. I know Yugitubers tend to protect Konami because their business relations might be at risk; but Konami really is that bad of a company when it comes to customer needs. They frankly dont care and it shows in short printed secret rare staples, it shows in unbalanced tier 0 formats that occur more and more often. It shows on every front.
These 2 things alson are already enough.
But then; there are even other points that just make it even worse. (F.ex OCG and TCG marketing differences).
I disagree with the Tin point. Bring back more oldschool Tins with guaranteed promos. Little Night tin would have been perfect.
Lots of good points, nice video. One thing that comes to mind is when Paul said how he thought nearly all cards released prior to 2022 could be released from the ban list, because more modern archetypes/decks since then aren't so affected by them (like cards that allow you to draw cards), however, the main issue with those being unbanned is that they would also help make the most oppressive decks even more consistent/powerful, kind of like hand traps and similar cards have done. :/
(I too am on a hiatus, but I plan on returning at some point, when I get the itch again....)
Hearing Salamangreat being described as the “simple” Link deck is the funniest thing to me. Rarran, a UA-camr who’s also a veteran Hearthstone player, was recommended this deck after doing the tutorials on Master Duel. He was so confused that he ended up just clicking buttons until he removed his own monster.
my girlfriend and I started playing some anime-style decks together with my old cards. We really enjoy Team APS content and will always support your channel! Thanks for the content guys.
Im glad I found your channel. You guys absolutely nailed everything in this video. I think ALOT of us feel exactly how you do about the state of the game. I played since LOB until end of the first wave ox Xyz. Once I came back about a year ago, I just cannot keep up sith what the current meta is so I just go back to play the old GBA, DS games and play Legend of the duelist. Theres no point in trying to learn all these advanced mechanics for me at this point. Im an old head who cant keep up.
For the issue with Tins being a good product or not, it's purely on Konami for ruining them in the first place. Why get rid of promos, and intentionally bloat the set list and cram all chase cards into secret slots so it's harder to pull? On top of that, they reprinted the bonanza IMMEDIATELY after so Tins lose any sliver of remaining value. If you look at the OCG, OCG sealed products have a lot of other stuff like sleeves, dice and whatnot. I don't know who's in charge of doing Konami product designs, but they need to really improve.
I will always say that the over powered extra deck monsters being generic enough to fit in a lot of decks is what ruins yugioh. We need more specific summoning requirements that keep extra deck monsters in their respective archetype. Ex, apollusa, chaos angel, baronne de fluer, and borrelload savage need errata’s to require in archetype materials to summon (ex: savage requiring a rocket dragon as material). It’s too much when my opponent has multiple of those negating beat sticks on the field at a time with a main deck that’s not even related to any of those cards
I think y'all are missing the point of the question about ownership and collectibles. I think you hyper focused on the idea of owning property as in land or a home, but the question to me sounded a lot more about how we don't own *anything* nowadays.
How do you get your music? Do you have an expansive CD collection or do you use Spotify?
Do you have a substantial library of books or do you maybe use an e-reader or listen to audiobooks?
When you buy a game on Steam, where's the physical CD for the game so that you can play it even if something went to hell with the platform?
If you do still have CDs or DVDs, what do you use them on? Computers don't come with disc drives most of the time, consoles are now coming as digital only options being pushed at you, and people don't really buy Blu-ray players or DVD players anymore.
I think *that's* more what the question was about. Year by year we own less and less and instead we borrow or license it from a big company. I don't have to buy a license for the Gundam kit that I build and put on my shelf, and I don't have to keep an Internet connection active to look at the art I have on my wall, I can wear a t shirt with a cool print of Mario without having to subscribe to Nintendo Switch Online.
When more and more of what we pay for we'll never touch or be able to truly say we "own," people will gravitate toward things they can confidently say is theirs (even moreso for the cool things we love).
I actually have a bit of a sizeable library. Nothing compared to some but I prefer to have my books to hold onto. If I can't feel the book in my hands it doesn't feel like I'm reading.
This is why I still buy physical games and movies I like OWNING my stuff.
The day these companies start releasing digital only is the day I stop buying new things.
I was pushed out of modern yugioh due to Konami making poor decisions anymore. I have shifted to Elestrals at this point and have no regrets.
My brother and I still play casually from time to time; been off and on since we were kids. The thing both of us hear consistently is that pendulums and Link cards were where most of us dropped off.
In my case, it was like “ok, synchros are just fusions. Got it.” “Xyz, just like Synchros. Got it.” “Pendulums; my opponent plays 8 cards on turn 1 and wins… I’m out.”
My brother is a little more forgiving; he argues that power creep ebbed and flowed between the different stages of the anime, original, gx, 5d’s, etc. but everyone he talks to says they had a similar experience to me and that was where they stopped too.
He’s been trying to talk me into duel links and master duels to get back in. We’ll see.
Duel links is fun. It's power creeping kinda far tho.
The tin thing is such an underrated conversation. I have so much metal I dunno what to do with, like build a spaceship?
As a suggestion, you could just copy the questions and paste them onto a word document and print out all the questions and cut each slip out to put into the pot instead of writing things out. 0:28
Yeah but the point of the pot is to "draw two cards" not "draw two slips of paper from a pot"
@Lucario1121 they could then print out a create a card and type the question into the effect box. 🤯 💡
@@Lucario1121 Slip the paper into a card sleeve with a card in behind it.
25:24 I think the nature of decks changed with the release of Zoodiacs in 2017.
That turning point was the largest single jump in powercreep I've seen
Bingo! You've been paying attention. 2017 was the progenitor of every horrid design decision you see today in Yu-Gi-Oh.
Its the meta decks for me. Playing in Masterduel is so boring when everyone is just using the same decks in like every match.
Every game has a meta expecting anything less was wishful thinking
Blue Lock mentioned? LFGGGGG
Pendulum player here ✋🏾 I’ve tried other card games but yugioh just feels the best and most natural for me. Learning a new deck or new combos isn’t always easy but it feels so rewarding when you nail it and then experimenting with the deck, changing the builds, putting cards in, taking cards out; changing the lines of play you can take and creating a completely different board with the same or similar cards in the main/extra deck is the most cathartic experience for me. Learning how to play around problem decks/cards or how your deck can be punished by various counters is a great learning experience and puts what you have in perspective versus the many different decks that exist in the game. I also only play on Master Duel because the convenience of being able to see all my cards, build a deck or just load in a game at the touch of a button just feels good; also learning how pendulum, which is my favorite summoning mechanic by far, isn’t even at full power in tcg/ocg just keeps me drawn to Master Duel.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk 😂
I love playing Vaylantz and Solfachord on master duel. I love Rescue Ace and Tear but I find that when I play them a lot of people will auto surrender whenever I play them. Vaylantz and Solfachords are very fun decks that have a really fun gimmick that can just win out of nowhere. Lower tier gimmick decks are extremely fun and I will play them over any meta deck 99% of the time
Since you mentioned Flesh and Blood. The game just celebrated its 5th Year anniversary with their World Champs in Osaka, Japan. 🎉🎉🎉
Set 15 out in January 🔥🔥🔥
I played until the introduction of Pendulums. I dearly loved my Blackwing Deck and when it became no longer viable competitively, I fell out of love of the game. Maybe I could have found another deck to play but I became disillusioned by the prevalance of hand traps and the ridiculous amounts of search/summoning spam that new decks could pull out on a consistent basis. Once I saw that the "Yugioh is becoming solitaire" issue wasn't being addressed and was actually getting worse, I knew my time in the game was over.
For me it’s the price of the product vs the return. I really dislike how things get more expensive, the set gets bigger and the pull rates stay the same or get lower.
1:30:36 same a lot of times especially when I have an advantage if my opponent doesn’t surrender I’ll give them a chance to make me regret it because now I learned how they can get out of my arrogance. Crazy but so reawarding. I feel you bro 😭🙏🏾✊🏾
Totally agree with you that Acesscode is way more sacky than Zeus or Typhon. If I'd have to rank them it'd be Acesscode, then Typhon, then Zeus. Just because Zues requires you to run XYZ that can attack and survive, AND hold on to their materials in order to become good. And even then you're just ending on two quick effect dark hole + heavy storm? Which is like, good... but can be easily be played around, but even if not usually Zeus is a last option for a deck so they use the one pop and then they just have a Blue Eyes on board and that's it lol 😂.
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Ygo having one format is crazy. Edison is good for the game but it’s not enough.
One of the biggest issues. If MTG only had vintage, I would've quit 1 week in.
@@dhantefranklin336 Also the MTG community plays moreso for the game itself rather than the tournaments and competitive aspect hence why formats that at first were unofficial like Commander blew up and eventually got turned into official formats. Of course there are always those who will be competitive, but if they were the majority Commander was not going to blow up (and we wouldn't have half of the officially sold products that are aimed at collectors).
1:44:04 Alec talking about the robot girl, we have so many sci-fi movies on why thats a bad idea. Someone watch Ex Machina again and see how fast you unplug your internet
Power creep pushes out so many people from the game while also bringing in new people
Double edge sword
Master Duel story time. Turn 1 they destroy 4 out of 5 cards in my hand and end with negates. Turn 2. Draw. I'm left with two monsters. Neither playable without being destroyed because of their negates. Unplayable game.
I think a Elite Trainer kit could be good for yugioh players that buy at retail stores because if they go off pokemon then you'll get 10-11 packs in the box plus sleeves. A yearly Trainer Kit could also be a good introduction product, print common versions of the common staple cards and some of the more popular engine cards like Azamina, Fiend Smith, and Keshtier, doing this would give new players easy access to these popular cards and engines while still protecting the value of the higher rarity version's of the cards since everything in the box would be a common.
The issue with that is many popular staples are ONLY available as a high rarity on purpose, Konami didn't simply forget to make a common version of staples.
For me, long first turns and extreme prices are keeping me from enjoying the game
The product you were thinking of at the beginning was called a deluxe edition. Got just under half a box worth of packs, a promo and some sleeves. The sleeves were awful though
I remember that now! The sleeves were ATROCIOUS
The LGS event that got me to stop playing Yugioh was a guy who played subterror stun and dragged out the set to time against my super casual blackwings deck that I was playing because we had 8 year olds and stuff trying to have fun so why would I stomp them with meta. After 90 minues of smelling this guy he goes to my best friend and says "wow your friend really doesn't know what he's doing." The power creeped combined with people trying to South Park skit stomp 8 year olds in a card game turned me off of playing. If they had sponsored edison or better formatting for yugioh I would go back but for now MTG way better formats and power leveling than yugioh.
@49:29 it’s actually insane, but he IS wrong here.
In the no banlist OCG tournaments of 2023, they didn’t run pot of greed. It was usually graceful charity to draw EVEN MORE plus put things you need in the GY. The remaining slots were lots of good engine, and banned stuff like painful choice and vanity’s.
30:03 There are 2 reasons why cimo didn't come back to modern yugioh
1. Burnout(simple reason)
2. During in the 2018-19 cimo was blacklist by konami because he promoted singles.
My favourite indi card game was Akora actually~ it was simple, some would say too simple, but I liked it. It was fun to just play a few mindless fun games with friends, not perfectly balanced but just casual fun. I actually see and treat goat yugi format the same way.
It died, but I still play to this day with my gf and a few friends. It was actually the charming art that got me into the game~ that was one of the few actually great things it had lol (albeit in later sets; set1 looked okay but the later sets looked great, and played much better gameplay-wise)
I love older Yu-Gi-Oh. Been playing since 04 but I honestly don't want to go back. I prefer to play modern yugioh and I think more people would enjoy it if there was a solid on boarding process to the game.
I do want there to be an official lower format for people that want that experience though.
you guys are one of the yugitubers that inpired me to start to play yugioh (albeit digitally which nothing wrong with it)
I went to locals for the first time in a decade, played Millennium. Everyone was playing something tier 2, and one guy had Snake Eyes. It was a pretty low-key event and I did decent, won 3 rounds of 4, tied the last one, but I don't think I will be doing this regularly due to the time rules cheesing out games and most of what I want to do I can do in Master Duel anyway. Not bad overall, but there are alternatives now.
Edit: I had spooky Dogwood and Lava Golem in the main and the prospect of winning in time was present in almost every game. Should really be end of turn, not end of phase.
Forget the whole not being able to play if you go second thing for a second, I just simply can't read the damn cards, and I have perfect vision.
Nothing makes you think you need glasses like a Yugioh card.
nowadays it doesn't matter if you will be able to play going second, your opponent will play turn 1 and play more turn 2, its so obnoxious modern decks playing on the opponent turn almost the same as they play on their on turn
@@kuromoriofi For me this is the biggest thing. When Kashtira released I was really starting to contemplate quitting. Decks that not only play on both turns but also essentially prevent you from playing the game was starting to get to me. It's one thing banishing cards face down from the field. But doing it straight from the deck or extra deck is so toxic.
Once again I am asking Konami to bring Rush Duel to the west.
You guys are the only yugioh content I watch because I like your personalities, takes and fun videos. I've tried to get back into YGO but the gameplay of the modern game just doesn't appeal to me at all. But if Rush Duel were in english I would be buying. Wild that Konami doesn't want revenue. Im sure there are plenty of people who feel the same way.
I would love to see Rush Duel in the west, i started playing it a few months after release (i just translated and printed the cards every set and played with interested friends)
But if they go by set order in JP the game will meet the same fate a speed duel.
the first year and a half was a tier zero format (which was the first 2 structure decks meshed together).
so they need to switch up some of the sets or put some of the later released traps cards into the first few sets as that is what made the meta deck so powerful, spell casters had like the 3 best traps locked to their type and nothing else could compare.
Rush Duels has been available in Duel Links for 2 years.
I thought I would love it. But I don't.
I still spend my money on Time Wizard formats instead.
@@mairain6443To that point it might be better if they entirely remix the sets for the western release. This could make for an exciting game where the western meta is completely different from what the Japanese meta game was so we have less copy/pastes of whatever the best thing was at the same number is sets.
The Anti-Meta Casual is BY FAR the most annoying and disgusting kind of person.
The Meta-Sheeps at least aiming for to actually being successful. But those anti-meta clowns just aiming for to annoy people, as their decks are simply not viable to win anything anyway. They steal a victory here and there and run somones day but thats it. They leave events 1-8 and just wasted everyones time, including their own
This will sound like an extreme change, but Yu-gi-oh needs keywords to reduce that card text. A lot of the cards seem to have repeated text that is highly redundant, like mentioning once per turn, cards except "name of the card" and can't be special summon or set...except in a specific way.
If you keyworded summoning conditions, use a symbol or overall game rule that states unique effects are once per turn unless otherwise stated, etc.
Perhaps text it out in a digital environment like Master Duel and see how it plays out. No harm is done if it doesn't work.
A few symbols and keywords to keep the game digestible would go a long way. No, I don't have an answer for every possible card effect, but all the repeated typical text on cards can be reduced significantly.
what you said at 1:34:43 is desperately what I wish the game was more like, but instead they set up a board that simply doesnt allow you to play
We need more formats and support on them with tournaments etc... (goat, edison and maybe some newer ones)
Im fine with the powerlevel and i like the new art even tho i never play the best decks. More like tier 2 (VV atm)
I mean they will keep printing cards and they need to make them somehow interesting to buy even for meta players so the powerlevel will increase until a certain point is reached. Even tho they control how fast it increses. Then they will have to fix and balance by banning/limiting in a big banlist...
I think with all the new good support for older decks and the rarity collections you see a trend where the game gets better but thats just my opinion...
I stopped playing in 2006 and have tried getting back in a little with Duel Links, but even that is too modern for my taste.
A fellow Yugiboomer friend and I play Speed Duel, but with all 5 zones and 8000 LP so it’s more like “real” Yugioh but with Speed Duel cards so it’s more at the power level we like.
I’d be interested in playing like Edison, but none of the Yugioh players at my locals are interested and none of my Speed Duel friend’s mutual friends are interested and our separate friends aren’t interested either.
BTW Flesh and Blood is my primary TCG and I love it so I’m glad there was at least some mention of it here ^_^
Well, "real" yugioh is the card game that's currently being played. You're playing something more akin to the anime.
Is there a "Starter/Structure deck format"?Maybe that would be nice,like plain or with some rule like you can repeat cards presentin the deck.
Much love from Spain
Im just now getting back into yugioh and ive found that ignoring the meta and just playing what interest me while occasionally taking games off some of the best decks has been a lot of fun i dont know what my opponent is doing half the time but some times i get lucky with my negate or i go first and set red rising (i am the true master of faster) and wipe there whole bored and its funny watching my 100 dollar anime deck stop them in there tracks lol
I just re-picked up YuGiOh after MANY years of not playing. I’m talking when Infernal Flame Emperor came out.
I have to say that I do love the modern format. HOWEVER, I do not like how quickly the meta changes. It can take me around 1-2 months to research, play test, and physically build a deck and then a new set will come out and more than likely changes the meta. How do you combat or work around this?
I mainly just do one deck. I'll build other decks if I think they're fun, but for the most part I just try and improve my Ancient Gear deck and prep it for every format. Maybe if a meta deck is cool I get into it, but no mater how invested or uninvested I am, I just come back to Ancient Gears, a deck I know and know how to pilot well and I'm right at home. Maybe if I've been away for a bit I fall on my face, but once ya figure out the meta you slide back in.
Helps a lot if you're favorite deck got specific support some point after 2021.
@ Appreciate the tips and info! I’m still testing many decks out in simulators and learning about all the new archetypes to select a playstyle that fits me best and will probably do as you advised and stick to it to master it.
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I mean I think that's the joy of Yu-Gi-Oh. No matter who you are there's a deck for you. My advice is to go to Master Duel meta and look through the list of secret packs, because those packs usually have most of the cards and strategies you need within them. Then it's just a mater of what deck you think is cool and resonates with you that you can play well. Who knows, maybe your deck hasn't even been released yet and one day you'll see an archetype that just speaks to you.
Good news is Konami is at least spreading the love and giving just about every deck broken cards. Heck look at Genex and Jurrac, they were so bad Konami said screw it and gave them cards that would make any other archetype tier 0. So more and more we're seeing most decks get the tools they need to play well.
What we need is alternative formats beyond Goat,Edison. A “Yugioh Commander” format if you will
For indie card games, I've been playing a lot of Force of Will. It's a game known for great art but it's sad to see them cut corners in that front because when the art is good, it's REAL good. I feel like I can't show it to people until they revamp their presentation (a 4th time).
Great episode guys! Out of all the things I could say, there is only one thing I would like to add: at 1:53:00 my man did the best Kayne expression I’ve ever seen (unironically) 😂
i’ve tried getting into this game multiple times and honestly the cards have too many words😂 like hundreds of cards and combos. I’m a one piece player so maybe it’s just a skill issue.
My local shop has an event basically everyday. Monday-Thursday they are open all day but only hold events around 7pm. Friday Saturday Sunday depending on the events there could be 2-3. Usually in succession since it is a very small shop
I’ve noticed that most yugi tubers are doing legacy style matches (goat, Edison, battle city) and the community love its. I think if you removed links from the game and harped down on the ban list a little more you’d probably regain a ton of interest. A lot of these meta decks require link extenders
in my case? NEGATE NEGATE NEGATE NEGATE >_> and true inability to play decks unless they meta or close to meta decks >_>
Seconded. It is pretty demoralizing when every card I try to play is negated.
@@kingofthemanties especially when you play something close to anime deck and it dont have much of support or extenders and you face not only META but unlimited hand traps on top of it >_> and there no official way to play those decks outside of private lobbies
In a game that sold us on the range of creativity and back and forth play...
The game starts with how much time and money you can dump into it (the more the better). You now have to choose from a very small handful of decks that look like robots, waifus, and/or dragons, with the options being whatever anyone else is playing. The game plan is now "whatever you draw, go through 20 cards on your first turn and another 5 (that are almost identical) on your opponents, for the goal of making them play as close to zero cards as possible. Do it long enough for your opponent to take a bathroom break. If they somehow play through it... Then if your deck is one of those that can just do it all over again, cool. Either way, someone effectively OTKs. Wait for a banlist or new releases that are more about profit than balancing, and then do it all again ad nauseum.
As far as modern stuff, and not liking to make modern yugioh content, i think theres value in showing your modern favorites like voiceless voice and such, wether its a handful of duels or a ladder or something
i think a lot of us who watch enjoy the excitement you have for the yugioh you enjoy
Some of my favorites are when you use those decks, like when you won you swapped deck, those were really fun videos
Speaking on "indi" card games. I carry two decks of Yomi in my deck box to play in between rounds at locals. Everyone I've shown it to has loved it. Its not a TCG, each deck is a purchasable product.
Edit: Okay after watching more of the video and learning you guys both like fighting games, Yomi is a fighting game simulator. Both players place a card facedown at the same time and reveal it. Its a rock paper scissors type game with "Grab", "Attack", and "Block". From there, you're allowed to add cards from your hand that "combo" from the landed hit.
Its really fun. $20 buy in, I say it deserves an episode :)
1:34:34i agree thats why i think about my whole play in my main phase and even while my opponent is playing so i can get through all the searching and shuffling quick so it wont feel like such a long turn
The number of combos performed per turn is what made me quit.
My favorite indie card game is Varia. It's like Flesh and Blood, but you can make your own characters, and you don't have to play the resource management mini-game every time you want to play a card. You just get a flat 10 action points per turn.
Also, the difference between "your turn" and "my turn" is just who plays cards first. Each turn feels interesting because you aren't just blocking or avoiding your opponent's attacks, you can actually counter-attack.
Finally, it's an XCG instead of a TCG. If you want X card, you just need to find out which deck it comes in and buy the deck. Worst case scenario is that you want a playset of a card that is a one-of in a deck and you have to buy 3 of those decks. Decks are less than $20 and you can get a whole season of 8 characters for $100. The decks are very playable and competitive with each other, out of the box.
I tell people to just play YGO casually with people who play on the same level/tier of power and the game is great. Agree on some rules with friends and the game is one of the best ever
Power level of a deck is hard to tell sometimes i wonder a system like what magic the gathering is trying to do would work by giving a ranking of each card and depending how many of those cards you have is the level of those decks
The One Turn Kill
If you have been keeping up with every summoning method. All you need to do is go second in the Master Duel online game and get a 3,000 point monster out on the field. You get to attack on the first turn if you go second.
I just throwing this out there, i hope Master Duel does a pre-Synchro era event/playlist, i would love to play with old releases. Or even do progressive thing as another event thingy. If they did that before, they should bring it back.
On the thought of pure decks, I have solely not played snake eyes or Centurion because they're a mix of Archtypes. Dragonmaid was my return to master duel and it's solely dragonmaids and an occasional dragon in the extra deck. Same with now Im piloting sky stiker, and that is essentially all sky striker cards
"What Really Pushes Players Out of Modern Yu-Gi-Oh?"
repetition, the inability to play and the barrier-to-entry that is learning the meta card pool when it comes to staples and how grating it is to see the same exact scenarios nearly every game (on both sides) regardless of the deck people are playing. When people play a game, they want to see the dynamic possibilities of the variety of gameplay so they can find what appeals to them and what to prepare for but yugioh, as a lifelong player, it very difficult to want to show to people who are unfamiliar because of the gamestate its standardized to be what the game revolves around. There isn't so much of a game to learn anymore as much as there is a study guide of what you're going to have to deal with that you can't prepare for and how much of the game relies on knowing exactly what moment you should ash what card on to get any advantage- but they had a called by, oh well, you lose.
I live Indie card games! (Flesh and Blood by far my favorite game rn)
But something I noticed recently is that not every store runs Yugioh events now. You can find Magic and Pokémon almost everywhere but even Yugioh is starting to fall behind and join the ranks of “if there’s time on the schedule we’ll run it”
Yeah I have noticed this too! It's very regional
As someone who played and stopped playing yugioh back when pegasus starter deck came out. Madolche made me intrested but seeing Tearlaments in tournaments made me download Master Duel on its release and play the game
As an old-school yugioh player who was immediately turned off by the XYZ and Synchro meta games, it really just seems like the game has become too complicated which is fine for hardcore players who want to go down that route but excludes casuals (most people). I would love to have a format that only allows cards up through the GX era.
What the game needs is a new card mechanic that prevents the new meta cards (hand traps, etc) from turning into that 1 card eternal combo.
I personally have a Love&Hate relationship with Yugioh specifically speaking on Master Duel and I’m also speaking as a casual player as well 😅
The cards that are damn near impervious to effects or have multiple negates (Dragon Master Magia for example) is an instant fun killer for me. Might be fun for my opponents what but fun is it to have to surrender when your deck is basically locked?
Konami needs to make it to where you get rewarded for going into casual and dueling there instead of ranked being the main priority when there aren’t events as well for the casual people who want to try out their new deck combos and not get recked in rank or have to play The Absolute Monarch everytime to get your strategy down
I want to get back into modern yugioh, but dang is it powercrept. Decks are so fast and singels are too expensive.
1:14:29 What was the first indie card game mentioned here?
This was a really fun episode to watch
1s in the chat. I finally made a premiere 🙌 🎉😂 love the pod🤘🏻
Kudos for the Mob Psycho 100 recommendation! One of the best. That's one of mine and I'll include Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and Vinland Saga. FMAB is 64 episodes but it's a complete story and has so many great characters and an interesting story that kinda reminds me of Avatar in it's structure. Vinland Saga isn't finished but the 2 seasons it has are brilliant. The overall theme is growing and becoming a good person. And this is shown through Thorfinn who grows up with hatred in his heart but has to overcome that. And the only other thing I can say is it has such standout characters. Since y'all said Mob Psycho, I'll throw in another one: Spy x Family. It's got around the same number of episodes right now as Mob and is still going but is just wholesome fun. The 3 MCs are fantastic and the goofy situations with high, yet somehow low, stakes is just great.
I've actually made a list recently of 7 Anime for Non-Anime fans and those 4 shows are on it along with Cowboy Bebop, Death Note and Demon Slayer. First two are classics while Demon Slayer is like the original Star Wars movie. Just good fun and action! (The animation in the fights is also god tier)
My friend and I have bonded recently over our love for TCG. We agree that the meta has gotten completely out of hand. He and I play mid to upper-mid tier as a result.
Duel Links might not have the endless combo potential but at least I can do all my dailies in the same time it takes to witness a full Hero combo in MD.