Outfit Your Tractor for Low Cost Logging

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  • @larrybrashear4988
    @larrybrashear4988 7 місяців тому +1

    One of the best lessons on tractor logging I have seen. Clear and concise without hemming and hawing. Keep up the good work and be careful out there.

  • @andrewmckinley6571
    @andrewmckinley6571 6 місяців тому

    The most informative video I have seen on this topic. Thank you

  • @lumberjill6598
    @lumberjill6598 7 місяців тому

    Great video! One thing I love about your channel is how you explain things that anyone can understand. Have a wonderful day Sandy! 👋

  • @brettkrouse4574
    @brettkrouse4574 7 місяців тому

    I prefer the grapple over forks. Gives me much more control and is easier on my mill when loading logs. The grapple is my most used attachment, Good info as always!

  • @brianwestveer9532
    @brianwestveer9532 7 місяців тому +1

    Injoy the sun while you have it, nasty day here,rain, little snow,mud,I just love spring

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Sure is a roller coaster ride. It’s wild to think but I still have ice on the little ponds and snow in parts of the woods here

  • @carlmclelland7624
    @carlmclelland7624 7 місяців тому +2

    Good presentation, Sandy. You are like me... stressing the safety issue. I like to carry a couple energy bars and a couple bottles of water. If you break down or get stuck, quick energy and hydration can be a lifesaver. As for the tractor cab, you forgot the most important aspect of that... a dry place to get out of the weather in an emergency. Layered clothing is vitally important, and you mentioned something else... GETTING STUCK! Anyone who's operated farm equipment knows.. It will happen to you, sooner or later. There are three types of equipment operators: those who've been stuck, those who are going to get stuck, and those who are going to get stuck... AGAIN!
    Another recommendation; get an inexpensive tool box or tackle box, attach it somewhere, and carry basic tools. When a hose comes loose, or a bracket needs tightening, without a few simple tools to fix it, you stand the chance of doing serious damage to the equipment before you get it back to the barn or shop.
    An excellent example, Sandy, was your video when the excavator broke down and damaged one of the crawler tracks. You did exactly what you described in this video. You used the (Wallenstien?) log skidder to winch it up to where you could load it on a trailer and bring it back to the shop for repair.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hey Carl! Great tip about the tool box. All too often a small issue could be fixed up with a wrench or pair of pliers for sure. I know all too well layout getting stuck. The winter is usually the time things go south or the early spring when the tractor likes to dig holes more so than move forward haha. Staying dry and out of the harsh weather sure is nice as well. I've used the tractor cab to escape from angry wasps as well haha

  • @samhotstick13.28
    @samhotstick13.28 7 місяців тому

    Sandy I bought a Kioti DK4210se C mainly from watching your videos and seeing how well it was performing for you, I’ve been very happy with it, and the Cab has been awesome. I use just a cheap 3 point with log skid hook, I can wrap a couple of logs at a time, but all my logs are in a open field, my property was logged last year and the logger left me many logs that they would of been left in the woods, I do have a grapple currently stuck open, that might be a something in my third function,fortunately my pallet forks have been a great help in till I get the grapple working. As a retired lineman I can’t emphasize enough about wearing PPE. Safety glasses, chaps,gloves,hearing protection. I need to add a chain saw scabbard to the tractor next. Take care.

  • @tjjewell4115
    @tjjewell4115 7 місяців тому

    Sandy, another excellent, descriptive Video, thank you for sharing.

  • @jimmaskell7537
    @jimmaskell7537 7 місяців тому

    Nice to see that spring is in the air. Now let the mud dry up 👍

  • @Frontireadventures
    @Frontireadventures 7 місяців тому +3

    Absolutely great Information.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Thank you! I appreciate you checking out the video

  • @runeoveras3966
    @runeoveras3966 7 місяців тому +1

    Thank you Sandy. 🙏🏻

  • @jeffhuffman5433
    @jeffhuffman5433 7 місяців тому

    This is a very good rundown and description and I agree a 40 horse four-wheel-drive tractor with a skidding winch with a one-man operation can accomplish a great deal with taking your time and being watchful can be very successful and breakdown and accident free. This is a very good useful tips video Sandy.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Jeff! I'm happy with the size of this tractor. Just enough power to skid what I want it to skid and not too big that it can't go down smaller trails

  • @benzie692
    @benzie692 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for this one Sandy! Perfect video for me to use in my campaign with my wife for an FX85!

  • @rogerbelanger295
    @rogerbelanger295 7 місяців тому

    Good one Sandy!

  • @fricknjeep
    @fricknjeep 7 місяців тому +1

    hi there good points , best to all john

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Always great to hear from ya John. I secretly am over here admiring your circle saw setup! Really impressive btw

  • @delmanicke9228
    @delmanicke9228 7 місяців тому +1

    We all have to make due with what we've got. I bought a side by side this year, mostly for winter snow plowing.Because I wanted a little more controlled environment for snow plowing, and it was less expensive than a new tractor. Your operation is getting pretty darn nice, and it looks like it's fun too. 👍

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Del! The side by sides sure are nice pieces of equipment!

  • @m9ovich785
    @m9ovich785 7 місяців тому

    Thanks Sandy.
    Well done...

  • @willbass2869
    @willbass2869 7 місяців тому +1

    Very informative video. Lots of equipment to even get those logs to the mill

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Thanks Will! Absolutely. I’ve certainly added to my setup as the years have gone on

  • @alfredomarotta6604
    @alfredomarotta6604 7 місяців тому

    Thanks Sandy, great explanations and presentation. Always enjoy your videos, interesting, informative and educational. Thank you for the time to make them.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      I appreciate that feedback. Thanks for tuning into the videos! Have a great day!

  • @dougpark1025
    @dougpark1025 7 місяців тому

    A lot of good suggestions. I have a similar sized tractor and wish I had a lot of the stuff you have. However, I have one very inexpensive addition to my front bucket. I had 2 chain hooks welded onto the top of the bucket. Each more or less in line with the hydraulic cylinders. I can hook a chain to them and then to a log and pull things. With the bucket I can lift up and down if i need to aid in pulling a log. Not an ideal setup, but really inexpensive and quite versatile.

  • @quarlow1215
    @quarlow1215 7 місяців тому

    Yeah a belly pan is definitely a must. It just gives you peice of mind. One less thing to worry about.

  • @job38four10
    @job38four10 7 місяців тому

    I'm watching this with snow coming down and 8" on the ground so far, and your snow is mostly gone......
    I see in most part your in small pine flat ground country, things are much different in my hilly rocky hardwood country, I find small hardwood limbs are very bushy and unforgiven. My first trip in the woods back in [07] with brand new L3400 tractor with no cab, limbs hit me in the face then the limbs hit the ROPs bounce off that and hit me behind the head, then I backed up to a log and no brakes, I backed over one very small half dead hardwood chute and it bent the brake rods, it was barely an inch thick....
    I drove out and parked the tractor and went to a steel shop, after about $300.00 in square tubing, metal screen, 3/16 sheet I made skid=plate and roll cage, now I can go anywhere and not get hit or have sticks break off hydro filter and bend brake rods.....
    A couple years later the next problem was a hardwood stick hit rear tire valve stem. fortunately my so was able to get his 4x4 pickup to the tractor to load tire on. $300.00 and 4hrs later got the tire back on tractor, drove out and parked it, 16 hrs later I had [ bolt-on/clamp-on valve stem protectors ] on rear wheels, never hit valve stem again. I'm now currently making [ bolt-on/clamp-on valve stem protectors ] on rear wheels on a 2021 CK3510........
    For some reason I just hate welding on valve stem protectors on a bran new painted rims so I'll spend hours designing [ bolt-on/clamp-on valve stem protectors ] ..........

  • @alwebster9052
    @alwebster9052 7 місяців тому

    A tractor makes the operator pro! The grappler is awesome

  • @lorettaandjasonoffgrid
    @lorettaandjasonoffgrid 7 місяців тому +1

    We definitely make very good use of our tractor and you are right, we can use it in multiple different scenarios! Wish we had a cab though! 😁✌️🇨🇦

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hey there! Great to hear from you! Tractors sure are handy!

  • @deprived56501
    @deprived56501 7 місяців тому +1

    Nice overview and explainer. Good vid. Thanks.

  • @noel3065
    @noel3065 7 місяців тому

    You have a nice set up there and I do agree, you should have some kind of belly pan or guard covering the underside of the tractor. You have a gift for explaining things. Nice job

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Thanks Noel! Yeah some protection underneath may save me one day

  • @OutDoorAdventures_1907
    @OutDoorAdventures_1907 7 місяців тому

    Very good review! Thanks!

  • @bruceguidosh2120
    @bruceguidosh2120 7 місяців тому +1

    Great video today, Sandy!
    Since retired, I've bought a like hp Kioti, grapple, a Woodmaxx chipper, and made adjustable forks and log splitter!
    I have thought about a forestry winch, but I think I will just create one by building a frame with 1/4" plate and a "Badlands" winch for my version of a forestry winch, lol!
    The retractable tape I will get soon, since like yourself, I'm tired of farting around with getting a carpenters tape to stay on the log end! (To bad Kioti doesn't make a belly pan for tractors working in forest/brush conditions!)
    I've always what kind of "day job" you have, that you seem to have a lot of weekday hours at the mill or in the bush!

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hi Bruce! Great to hear from you. Sounds like an awesome tractor setup with the winch you’ve got planned. I too would like a factory underbelly gaurd option for my tractor

    • @bruceguidosh2120
      @bruceguidosh2120 7 місяців тому

      @@sawingwithsandy I've already pulled the wires off the 3rd function solinoids...twice! So, since I use my tractor mostly for brush/logging work, I'm working on a possible way to provide underbelly protection !

    • @JohnMcNerney
      @JohnMcNerney 7 місяців тому

      The are a couple of problems with using an electric winch for logging:
      1) They are really slow: a fraction of the speed of a PTO driven logging winch. They are significantly slower under load. An electric winch's advertised speed is under no load conditons. For example, the Badlands 9500# winch advertises 25.9 FPM. Under full load, it's 6.9 FPM. My logging winch will run at about 200 FPM. I generally tend to run it at about 2/3 of it's max speed, or about 130 FPM. That's a huge difference compared to the 10 or 11 FPM I'd get out of an electric winch operated at only half load.
      2) Most electric winches have a very low duty cycle, so you have to stop to let them cool down often for an extended period when pulling a heavy load. Some can' even pull the full length of their cable (generally 50 ft) under a heavy load without exceeding their duty cycle. There is no similar issue with a PTO-driven logging winch. The Badlands winches have a 5% duty cycle under full load (45 seconds pull under full load, then 14.25 minutes rest).
      3) Short pulling distance: an electric winch typically has about 50-75 feet of cable. You can add a chain or two to extend the reach, but that gets to be a pain, since you have to stop to remove chains, run the winch back out and reconnect. Most logging winches have about 160 feet of cable. Some have 230 ft. It's rare that I use all 230 ft of cable on my winch, but I'm frequently using 100 to 150 ft.
      4) Your tractor's electrical system is not designed to hand this sort of load. A typical compact tractor alternator might put out 40 amps when the engine is running at speed. The NO LOAD draw of the Badlands 9500# winch is 70 amps. The full load draw is 330 amps. Your tractor battery has to make up the difference. Repeated pulls can suck the battery down to the point where the electronics on modern tractors will cease to function. Since tractor batteries are starting batteries, not deep cycle, that sort of cycling will also shorten the battery life. (In this case, the short duty cycle of the winch may be a good thing, since it gives your battery time to recover between pulls.)
      This is not so say that an electric winch won't work. If you have the time to spare and are aware of the limitations, it certainly beats dragging logs by hand or hooking a chain to your tow bar and driving off in order to pull logs out of the woods. However, it can get very frustrating if you have many logs to pull. If I could not swing a PTO logging winch, I might be mor einclined to go with one of the gas powered portable winches, such as those made by Portable Winch Company: www.portablewinch.com/

  • @richardlafrance7827
    @richardlafrance7827 7 місяців тому

    wow no snow im north quebec again snow in the forest 12 -16 inch and silmilar kit with 30 hp johndeere with winch and fork i love it and stock my wood on 8 feet

  • @pseudopetrus
    @pseudopetrus 7 місяців тому

    Very nice!

  • @stevengullison410
    @stevengullison410 7 місяців тому

    Hello Sandy, l think you have the perfect set up. Steve from st.Stephen Nb

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hey Steve! Hope all is well out east there. Have a great rest of your week!

  • @jesperb.nielsen4111
    @jesperb.nielsen4111 7 місяців тому

    Sandy..... Nice video.... I just finished my firewood for winter 2025/2026 . In Dennark I dont have the good gear u have.... but I have good chainsaws (Jonsered) good firewood slouch to carry the firewood out of the forrest and my 30 year old tractor- Fiat 780..... all in all.... 18 cubic meters ready for splitting .... I really like your firewood videos.... Regards from Denmark 🎉🎉

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Hi Jesper! Great to hear you've got the firewood ready to go for next time around when winter sets in. I do like Jonsered chainsaws. I've never owned one but from what I"ve seen they are solid. Sounds like a great tractor! I'm not familiar with Fiat tractors but after a quick search online they look like workhorses!

  • @scubatraveler100
    @scubatraveler100 7 місяців тому

    Nicely done young man. Very informative and you explained it all very well. Cheers!!

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Thank you! I especially liked the part where you called me a "young man". Some days I feel old but being called young is appreciated haha

  • @saintaugustine1715
    @saintaugustine1715 7 місяців тому +1

    Like somebody else said make do with what you got my main log harvester is a lawn mower without the mowing deck made a trailer with an old boat trailer and made the side wall one is fix with the boat winch on top of the wall the other side goes down like ramps and using the boat winch i roll them on to it the biggest log I put on it was 18 feet long 17 inches at the small end 23 at the bottom but don't forget I am on flat land here in Florida have a great day and cut some of those trees to mill I want to see that new slat older in use lol

  • @SkidderKev
    @SkidderKev 7 місяців тому

    loggers tape is so handy special if you are cutting saw logs. plus you can replace just they tape if it breaks or it gets cut

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hey Kev! For sure. The replacement tape part sure is a great feature. My tape has a few kinks in it from use but nice to know it can be replaced

  • @clausbuhlsrensen602
    @clausbuhlsrensen602 7 місяців тому

    what a lucky (or clever?) man

  • @jeffpeters1014
    @jeffpeters1014 7 місяців тому

    The front chains are a difference maker

  • @tommywise1702
    @tommywise1702 7 місяців тому

    Nice to know how all that works. Good luck, love the channel.

  • @tomt8320
    @tomt8320 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi Sandy. My tractor is also tricked out with winch (7500lb) and it is great. I am also wanting to have a steel belly pan running from bow-to-stern to protect the undercarriage; I said wanting! I need to curry some favor with my local welder. Yes, welding is also on my want list.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Sounds like a great setup you’ve got. I’ve got a welder but I probably couldn’t help ya too much with the plate steel

    • @tomt8320
      @tomt8320 7 місяців тому +1

      @@sawingwithsandy Will share, it it ever gets done.

  • @09FLTRMM77
    @09FLTRMM77 7 місяців тому +1

    MM77 Approved 👍🏼👍🏼

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      As a long running supporter, thank you again!

  • @rodneywroten2994
    @rodneywroten2994 7 місяців тому

    very nice set up

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Thanks Rodney! Hope your week is going well

  • @douglasroseveare7295
    @douglasroseveare7295 7 місяців тому

    Thanks for the videos Sandy. Great tips. I think I'm lower budget than low budget lol. I have a tractor with a winch and a grapple though.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hi Douglas. Nothing wrong with that though. Whatever works, works for me!

  • @farmerequipment
    @farmerequipment 7 місяців тому

    Nice grapple 😊

  • @ralfnjan
    @ralfnjan 7 місяців тому +1

    Sandy, don't have your back window open with the winch on. I've gone through 3 windows. Pricey.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Good tip. I don’t often open my rear window but I can imagine raising the three point hitch with the winch on could hit it

  • @mikefromwv1010
    @mikefromwv1010 7 місяців тому

    As always, Sandy very enjoyable video. When does the black fly start to invade you guy's?

  • @buddyreed2623
    @buddyreed2623 7 місяців тому +1

    Hello Sandy. I have seen you use the directional pulley before, but it has been a day or two. That strap you have for it looks to be new or else you clean it after each use. I know you are glad to see the snow disappearing but we both know what that brings. Have good days!

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hey there Buddy Reed! That strap is relatively new. Hasn’t got all frayed up yet or dirty

  • @pseudopetrus
    @pseudopetrus 7 місяців тому +1

    Before I buy all that stuff, I would need my wife's permission!

  • @andrewadams5044
    @andrewadams5044 7 місяців тому

    Hello Sandy, thank you for all the effort you put sharing your journey with us over the years. I am looking at a utility tractor for the farm and have been eyeballing the Kioti's after watching your adventures. Just wanted to ask how you are liking your tractor after all this time. How many hours have you put on yours now? I have a Vallee Big Red XP mill and a bunch of horses. Looking at a Kioti DK6020 locally.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Hi Andrew! Sounds like a great setup you’ve got. Tractor has around 1700 hours or so if memory serves me right. All has been great with it working it in a variety of conditions both warm and cold . Fires up everytime. I’ve had to change the glow plugs and a broken right front wheel bearing. Aside from that all normal oils and filters. I really like how it works . Simple setup and very reliable and strong

    • @andrewadams5044
      @andrewadams5044 7 місяців тому +1

      @@sawingwithsandy Thanks so much for your reply! Sounds like it's been a great machine. With the climate you're in I'm not surprised about the glow plugs. Reading other people's comments "6000 hours and going strong" on your other tractor videos is very promising. Looking forward to more videos!

  • @dougdinsmore9751
    @dougdinsmore9751 7 місяців тому

    Hello Sandy, great video as usual 👍. A little off subject, but what brand and where did you buy your log debarker? I’m having trouble finding a video(s) where you showcased that tool.

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hi Doug! In the video description of this video it should take you to where I got the disc.
      Log Peeler Disk vs. Draw Knife (you decide)
      ua-cam.com/video/GdcQyK-p-8s/v-deo.html

  • @timscartoys9321
    @timscartoys9321 7 місяців тому +1

    I had almost forgot about the nosecone!! That reminded me of your chainsaw powered winch that you had! Do you even have it anymore?

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hey Tim! Great to hear you remembered that winch. I ended up selling the Lewis winch when I got the tractor winch

    • @timscartoys9321
      @timscartoys9321 7 місяців тому +1

      That's kind of what I thought, considering how good the tractor winch has proven to be!!!@@sawingwithsandy

  • @mack211
    @mack211 7 місяців тому

    I was hoping you put the link for your directional pulley! I'd like to get one like yours!

    • @mack211
      @mack211 7 місяців тому

      Love your channel by the way!

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Mack! I don't actually know the brand of the directional pulley to be honest. It was given to me a few years ago and there's no branding on it

  • @arthurbauman6871
    @arthurbauman6871 7 місяців тому

    Looks to me u have a good set up for ur tractor!!!!😂

  • @northeasterndirtandpropert7974
    @northeasterndirtandpropert7974 7 місяців тому +1

    Question here from Northeast Ontario.If the log is hung up,and the winch line is fiddle string tight,can you release the tight line on the winch?

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Great question. The winch line goes slack anytime the rope that engages the winch is not being pulled by the person . Since the rope requires some force to pull it due to it being spring loaded, it will stop the winch line from pulling almost instantly when you let go of the rope or stop pulling on it

  • @wallacefrey6247
    @wallacefrey6247 7 місяців тому

    You forgot the most important thing. An insulated cup of sludge.

  • @tpctrash
    @tpctrash 7 місяців тому +1

    Like your channel. I was wondering. You have said you do not sell any lumber or cord wood.
    It’s a personal question and I won’t be offended if you don’t want to answer.
    Do you have a job that pays you money that enables you to do your work?

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      I’ve now started selling firewood and some lumber. I do work both on and off the property here

  • @cancelchannel3394
    @cancelchannel3394 7 місяців тому

    What would you do if you only had 2-Mules and a 20ft. chain ?

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      I’d probably take a break from the logging and go and start building a barn

  • @L46C3
    @L46C3 7 місяців тому +1

    Sandy, I see the sap on your hands.. what do you use to remove it?

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому +1

      I try my best to scrub it off with dish soap

    • @JohnMcNerney
      @JohnMcNerney 7 місяців тому

      Easiest way to remove sap (especially pine sap): "Wash" your hands with vegetable oil. Just pour a bit (a tablespoon or two) in your hands and rub like it was soap. For stubborn parts you might have to scrub a little, but it doesn't take much effort. When you have the worst of the sap off, then just wash your hands with soap and water to remove the vegetable oil.
      This works OK to get sap out of clothing as well, though that can take a bit more work. Best to do it when the sap is still fresh. Very tough to do once the clothing has gone through the washer and drier.

  • @stuartrinker
    @stuartrinker 7 місяців тому

    Currently I am using forks for moving logs. It stinks. Eventually I’ll get a grapple.
    I think for someone who is only moving occasional logs forks are great. I’m going to steal your idea for a chainsaw holder. I can’t see spending the money they want for one. Have a good day.

  • @johntillotson4254
    @johntillotson4254 7 місяців тому

    What is PTO?

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      Hi John. It's the Power Take Off. The shaft that sticks out the back of the tractor that implements like the winch in this video can attach to to get power from the tractor while it's running.

  • @kensmith4918
    @kensmith4918 7 місяців тому +1

    I have a tractor but no bush

    • @sawingwithsandy
      @sawingwithsandy  7 місяців тому

      I’m sure it’s a nice spot none the less