Great detailed review as usual! I don't understand why they don't have a 1440p panel, which I think is a must in a premium 17 inch laptop. I would rather have lower refresh rate 1440p with greater brightness than a 1080p 350nit panel, even if it is 360hz with low latency.
They don't even have the 4k from last year lol. Not saying 4k makes sense in this screen size, but at least it had better color accuracy and was a lot brighter for non gaming usage. I guess Dell just slapped the new cpu and gpu, stacked with the cheapest ddr5 ram they could find, and called it an update. For $500+ ofc.
@Steve, awesome review, covering all the aspects of the laptop. However, that 2.5 hrs battery life with UA-cam playback at 50% brightness is really concerning and becoming a trend with 12th gen H series laptops. Although, we are getting some nice performance boost when plugged in, I think we're going backwards to couple of years, when gaming laptops used to be something to be used in your desk, always plugged in. Ryzen 4000, 5000 and now 6000 series processors have shown that we can have high performance and battery life at the same time, making a gaming laptop far more versatile and enables it to use as laptop, not just a desktop replacement. It may be 10 to 15% slower than 12th gen but can also give 10 hrs+ battery life for that UA-cam playback.
We have seen with Intel spending billions to convince users that they are better than Apple Silicon and they have gone out of their way to ramp up performance with little fires-ectopic to efficiency, which some may argue is the raison d’etre of the M1 chips. A lot of YT creators praise Intel for allowing full performance on battery but that means battery life bombs and I feel if you are unable to do both, as Apple Silicon does, then AMD have gone the better route by power-throttling when on battery, to get those better SoT’s. I get the impression that all the hype for these 12th-gen are going to prove inflated and that next week when the M2 arrives we will see Intel back to square one. Of course, this is a gaming laptop at heart, so Dell have focused on that, but an AMD solution for those that want better battery life would be nice, but I suspect Intel are hanging on for their life and are offering deals if OEMs stay with them exclusively.
@@OWNORDISOWN Actually people jumped to conclusions thinking they're similar to ARM big little architecture. The fact is that kind of arrangement is not possible yet in a CISC (Complexes Instruction Set computer) design on which x86 is based on. For that the OS and the CPU needs to have far deeper integration currently only possible in RISC based designs or in custom SOC + dedicated OS Combination you see in the gaming consoles. What I think Intel's purpose is to increase the thread count without increasing the power consumption to an extreme as P Cores are already very power hungry. Currently there is no software which can identify and assign lighter threads to E core and heavy threads to P core and that's entirely done by the logic inside the CPU. Its similar to the thread assignment logic used by OS to assign threads to physical cores 1st and then to the logical cores in a SMT enabled CPU.
Great review, Stephen. Been waiting for this one. Disappointing to see the performance of the 3080 TI. Since they don't have the 3080 available, it may be like the X15 R2 where the 3070 TI gives the better value. I don't understand why they offer a QHD in the X15 R2 but not the X17 where it would be more natural IMO, but overall I think Alienware did well with this gen. Excellent video. You and Dave from Mash IT are my go to reviewers now a days.
Thanks Patrick, appreciate the support! Yes, I don't know why they don't do a 1440p on the 17" , daft really. Nice laptop but a bit pricey for me. 3070ti is definitely the way to go. Have a good weekend!
175w GPU ...is simply bonkers hope they make an AmD 6000 series version with a qhd screen. Great stuff here mate! Cheers. I cant wait for Legion 7 2022 !!
Hi Stephen!!! great video your final comment is totally true, geopolitics can really affect the distribution chain. Even when it shows a great performance, it is in the same category of the Razer laptop: too much money for what it delivers. but it must be nice to play there hahaha
Yep i've been following it closely. Alot of precious metals are mined in Russia. Palladium mainly comes from Russia, Russia is also the worlds biggest exporter of Nickel. Alluminium is quite high at the moment. Copper - Russia is the 2nd largest exporter after Chile. Platinum-Russia is one of the top 5 exporters. Gold is rising. It wouldn't surprise me if computers continue to rise in price this year. But not only computers look at the price of wheat it has skyrocketed. Ukraine and Russia are 2 of the 5 biggest wheat exporters in the world accounting for 25% of all wheat exports, and then you have the rise in oil prices as well. This year will be tough on everyone. Sanctioning Russia will unfortunately have a boomerang effect for us consumers in the West.
The design is pretty nice, One of the most attractive things I see is that bezel, it's tight all the way around. But man the price, got to love paying that Dell alienware tax.
@@OWNORDISOWN Completely, and they are very overpriced for what it offers, given the price you paid getting a 660:1 contrast screen is something else 🙄 You can get 800 dollar devices with better image quality
Nice review, but what about bottom temperature? I actually use my gaming laptop (GE75 8sf) at my lap, so that's an important parameter for me, since I don't want my my jewels to melt...
Wow. Great stuff. Love the performance comparison with the previous generations. Thats what we want, to see if these are worth paying top dollar. Some reviews just focus on benchmarks and crazy FPS numbers and completely forget price / performance ratio Excellent video mate
Long time listener (viewer) first time commenter :D. I'm curious, why didn't you pick up the i9? Was it cost or heat (noise) or something else? I see the M15 r7 doesn't even provide the option for the i9, so my only assumption is thermals. Thanks and great video!
TBH I'm surprised that you even bought this machine. A 17 inch 1080p screen is unacceptable. It's great that Alienware kept the temps in check, for a change. However, other than that, I don't see a lot compelling about it. There are too many compromises to warrant the cost IMO. If I was interested in productivity and gaming, I would look at the competition. I guess this works for those who want maximum framerates and nothing else. I assume you plan to return this machine for something better.
Yes, this is 2022 where even ultrabooks are moving to 2.5k and 3K displays. I can no longer accept 1080p in a 17-inch panel, it is a massive downgrade if you have ever used 4K. For non-gaming workflows then 4K is a great feature and at this price almost compulsory.
Newegg lists the 3060 model of the TUF at $1500 whilst the 5 pro with a 3050Ti is some $200 more expensive. On that basis I think the TUF is better value, especially since they have improved the panels and you now have a mux switch. I still prefer the look and port layout of the Legion 5 Pro but they seem to be asking for a lot of money...
That’s not true you just need to save. Anyone can really save. And frankly it’s not like you’re buying a $36,000 car. It’s definitely worth the money for the amount of time that you use it. I saved and built myself computer in 2017. It’s lasted this whole time. Now it’s time for me to invest again in a product that will probably lay me at least five or more years of daily use. Now this time as a student I need a mobile device not a desktop! It’s a no brainer!
1.thanks for the video. What are your thoughts on x17 r1 model 3070? Do you think it is a good bang for the buck? What are the best overclocking numbers for cpu and gpu in your opinion? 2.Do you recommend doing undervolting while overclocking?
Thanks, glad you liked my video 😀 I think the 3070 model is a great machine. The 3070 is definitely capable and if you see a deal its worth having. I used to UV the CPU and OC the GPU all the time but the 11th gen and 12th gen are often locked down undervolt I have found that there is not as much wriggle room as before. Shame. Diabling the efficiency cores on 12th gen does give a CPU clock boost but higher temperatures but helps in games that like a fast CPU.
Thanks, you too Etienne! I have never known such a crazy few years as we have faced recently. I think many people will be saving their cash this year..
7:44 Well the temperatures seems very unbelievable, damn, that cpu is almost 10 degrees cooler than gpu. What room temperature did you tested the laptop at? Any approximate value will be helpful. As my Helios 300 is almost close to boiling water, touching 95+ degrees Celsius on cpu (i7-11800H) easily at nearly 25-30. Celsius room temperature. Are the new thermal pastes very effective? Cause i will be repasting within 1-2 months for sure for my satisfaction. Undervolting is disabled/locked in my laptop, in "Edit Power Plan" i tried to set "Maximum processor state" to 99% instead of 100% with sudden drop in thermals like 20 degrees celcius, which looks like software based assumption, well, laptop being running nearly at same temperature for next 10+ minutes and no software tweaking can drop physical temperate to 20.c instantly lol. This technique makes my laptop underperform a lot, so i changed back to 100%. Talking about these new processors, they look very promising for "content" creators, editor and professionals. (Not only youtubers but i am talking about movie productions and editing done at large scales, and of course music production) cause they are all into APPLE APPLE APPLE currently.
For content creation and 6K rendering, Would you suggest the X15 R2 i7 with 3070/80 Ti + 32 GB ram? Or this X17 R2 i7 with 3070/80 Ti + 32 GB ram instead? Great review BTW!
Hi there, a question If in my country for its situation , the price of legion 5 pro 2021 with rtx3070 and Ryzen 7 5800h , be in a same amount with new legion 5i pro 2022 with i7 12th gen and rtx 3060 For gaming purpose which should I choose? Stronger gpu with last gen cpu AMD (or i7 11800) or slower gpu with intel 12th gen and probably a little better cooling?
Hello Steve, thank you for the awesome video I have the alienware x17 r2 12700h rtx 3080ti 360hz 1080p , and I apologize in advance for this long text message, but I think this will help many other owners of this laptop. I noticed on battery some flickering on the bottom of the screen sometimes there is artifcating. I tried changing display to 60hz which seems to solve it and then put it back on 360 hz and tried to change the display power saving mode in the intel graphic command center, which seemed to fix it when turning it off but then it happened again the next day so i turned the display power saving mode on and no more flicker. did you experience anything like that? I appreciate it if try to see if you experience this while surfing the web on battery. Also saw similar problem on reddit , thank you again for your efforts. Since the intel display power setting didnt solve the issue, I made a call to Dell support and one of their agent remotely checked my laptop and I showed him the screen issue when on battery as I had it filmed using my mobile phone , capturing software doesnt detect it as its hardware issue. The Dell agent uninstalled the igpu intel driver and downloaded the one from dell, and he went into advanced => pci ecpress=> link state power management and changed the values to off on both battery and plugged in modes. I used the laptops for about 30minutes havent realized any issues. What i did next i went back to those settings and set them back to their defaults which is maximum power saving on both battery & plugged in modes and then the screen was flickering & doing double imagery even on desktop. So went back into link state power management and tried to change battery mode to moderate power saving and off on plugged in mode, as of typing this its been like 20 minutes no issues. It seems I narrowed it down to this in advanced power management. I hope this helps and it would be great if u let me know how your machine behaves, and please let me know your thoughts on this if it solves the issue, with your experience is that a defect or you think the new drivers/new intel cpu architecture needs better drivers which might get resolved & ironed out with software. Thank you , and best regards Show less
I have the Alienware or four with a GTX 1060. It runs most games that I used to play just fine like Crysis, Crysis Warhead and Crysis 2 as well as Crysis 3. I liked the old Alienware design with the RGB strips on the sides more and these new models are smaller and lighter but not as exciting visually. Before I am going to pay $3000 or more for a laptop it has to seriously be necessary for work as well as a definite tax write off.
Good video, I hope you can analyze the Alienware X15 and X14, Alienware has a nice look, it is good, very good quality compared to other laptops, how about the chassis?
Thanks! Glad you liked my video. I would like to check out the X14 for sure. If I can get a free one then I might. The chassis is very nice, panel has a bit of flex when your twist the corners but when you press on the chin its solid. Everything else is spot on. Nice and clean looking.
I got the x17 R1 maxed out (4K 120Hz, RTX 3080, i9 11980HK, 64GB XMP RAM, 2TB Gen4 with 4 years extended warranty For $3890. back in June 2021. These newer Laptops are expensive! 😫
i DIDNT SEE THE ICON TO CHANGE THE KEYBOARD LIGHTS. Your video only shows the back and front alien head lights. The saem happen to me, I cant find the Keyboard Icon to change the spectrum , some ideas on how to make it apprear?
Hi, Mr. OWNorDisown, I've ordered them same configurations like your except I chose 64Gbs. I would like to ask you how effective of 64 instead of 32Gbs ram. Thank you.
SO apparently the legion 5i this year scored 18000 + in r23 with an i7, any chance you could test out the new legions? that cpu performance seems unreal
The 1440p screen with better colour gamut coverage/support and higher brightness, or better yet - one with 16:10 AR, might have made it even better a product, but they've gimped it a lot with those keyboards, whether it's the CherryMX extra-cost one or the basic one, by leaving all the secondaries unlit... What's the use of those RGBs in the keydeck when a lot of the keys/functions do not light up? Just don't try to defend them with the one-can-develop-mussle-memory-for-specific-secondaries-placements line of thought, as this can easily be reversed to one-can-develop-mussle-memory-for-all-keys ideology thus no pricy or energy eating RGBs on the front/keydeck are actually needed ;) The rear ring is just for show, pretty much useless, and in a mobile format where every electron out of the battery pack counts, it should be considered a detriment or flaw in the design flair... At least Lenovo in their Legions actually makes use of the RGB/lighting do bolster functionality - sure in the previous/last year gen the included Corsair software made it a detriment to mobile aspect of possible workfklows but Lenovo this year planned to have some of the RGB controls moved to firmware and their own application/software stack within the Legion Centre. But Dell, knowing full well of the drawbacks and flaws of the last year releases, decided against fixing those in the R2 models. It's not like Dell doesn't know people like to see all the keys/functions when it's needed - they're making sure to have such functionality properly implemented in their XPS and and business lines, even in the lower Dell gaming units, but not in the top-of-the-Dell's-gaming-crop...
Nice review as usual. The ultra thin and all ports on the back layout is really not for me. I guess at least the fan noise is passable. Nice to hear you will review the GE66. I have a GE76 with 12900HK, 3070Ti, and QHD on the way. Out of the options I have seen so far it seems to be the best in the 17 inch class for me. I am just hoping it does not have any high pitched fan whistle in balanced mode.
Thanks! I think you have one of the most powerful systems out there. Ill make sure to listen for any fam whistle on the GE66. My main concern would be the screen, I would have screen issues on my Dragonshield in optimus mode.
@@OWNORDISOWN Yeah, I was surprised when the MSI Store got a few of them in stock the other day as it is still listed as pre-order through resellers. I hope optimus mode does work ok. I guess dedicated mode could be used but I doubt it would make it through a three hour meeting unplugged, and is also very stressful on the battery that way. I also have hopes that a repaste will not be needed with the upgraded thermal pad they are using now for the 12900HK.
How does this laptop mainitain an avg of 112W on the CPU? Its showing a CB23 score of an i9 12900H. Was that score a single run or a 10 mins run? does that mean all other OEMs are bad and Dell is the only one who did it?
My Alienware 15r2 aving 3080ti 140w but i dont know wjy its going beying 110w even full speed its stays at 110w , did they done something mess with bios now
This price jack is manufacturers cottoning onto how inflated desktop components are right now for sure, does not reflect performance gains over the non-Ti variants at all. Razer Blade laptop hike for example is just a joke tbh compared to what we've had up to now. I think so many people are buying laptops instead of overvalued desktop GPU's instead because, you can simply get a much better deal doing so but now, that's out the window.
I got the same exact model delivered yesterday, and then you post this review lol. But I must say, so far using the laptop I have agree with all that you mentioned. The cooling is definitely on point here, and while the 12700h is a great improvement, the 3080ti has almost identical performance to the 3080 I had in the Msi GE76 that I had to return. Great review as always!
Hello, i have also the x17 r2 12700h 3080 ti 360hz, i noticed mine has some flickering , and artifacting when on battery and tried turning off intel display power save mode with no use, and had dell support remote check the laptop, they reinstalled intell igpu driver from dell website and turned off power saving mode on pci express power management available under advanced power mode windows setting, can you please check ur laptop, also read 2 others on reddit having same issue. try some surfing online while on battery and try to leave laptop idle a bit , i noticed this replicates the issue for me without the pci express fix. thank you appreciate any info
@@ameerchehab Hey, I have been using mine on battery for a few hours and havent had any such issues. I'm guessing this might be a software thing, or could be hardware issue. I have also reduced my frame rate to 60Hz while on battery using the Display options on windows 11 to further save my battery life. Maybe try running your laptop on 60Hz instead while running on battery and see if that helps?
@@189snake thanks for the quick reply, can u try run on battery at 360hz, i tried 60hz haven't seen this issue. Plz give it a try surf a bit and try to read something see if it provokes it when idle . Thanks
@@ameerchehab Hey, sorry for late reply. I ran on 360hz on battery for two hours, and did not have any flickering issues. It seems to work fine for me.
Hello, i don’t want to be rude but its a not a fair review. Has super performances but with tweks was fair to show a gpu scale to see the power limit. For someone who want to loose 1d or more for repaste and tweks before play and work at the end will be a super laptop.
This unit should be compared to the MSI 12UHF-252 / 12900k, 3080 Ti [ 175W ], and two 980 PRO [ 2 x 2TB in RAID 0 ] with a 4K 120Hz UHD Screen. It's a smidge pricier, but so worth it for work in ADOBE PREMIERE PRO.
Thanks, I do get units from some folks, but not Dell or Razer. This is the 14th Dell laptop I have bought to review. Thats why I don't do many of them now. I just cannot afford it...
You know you're old when you hear QHD and you say to yourself why would I want that crap resolution when there's 4K. 2022 and QHD has made a comeback. Lol.
Dang this thing is a beast, sadly while it does bench pretty well… that price though is going to have me working my butt off… I’m still sure there are better alternatives to this but we shall see from ROG or such
It sounds funny to write this but I feel sorry for Intel. For the first time in last ten years they make a balls to the walls upgrade to their cpus, and all oems decide to do is add 10w for the gpu, ddr5 ram and $500-1000 to the price. Total waste of such a fine cpu.
things that triggers me in those kind of laptops and it's not the laptop manufacturers fault it's people stupidity mostly(of course they could fix it) 1) for a 3080Ti laptop why pair it with a 1080 360Hz monitor, if you are a competitive CSGO player that need everything he can have, 144Hz is obsolete let have 360Hz, for 99.9 per cent people it's a stupid pairing this thing should have at least 1440P monitor 120Hz, or above 2) no number pad that an alienware thing
Great video. AW has lost me years ago. Thedy pull stupid stuff all the time. Why a 1080p panel only with 3080ti....Bottlenecks the perforamance of the gpu. makes zero sense.
Great detailed review as usual! I don't understand why they don't have a 1440p panel, which I think is a must in a premium 17 inch laptop. I would rather have lower refresh rate 1440p with greater brightness than a 1080p 350nit panel, even if it is 360hz with low latency.
Yes, I agree. Seems strange when all the rest have 1440p options
They don't even have the 4k from last year lol. Not saying 4k makes sense in this screen size, but at least it had better color accuracy and was a lot brighter for non gaming usage. I guess Dell just slapped the new cpu and gpu, stacked with the cheapest ddr5 ram they could find, and called it an update. For $500+ ofc.
Or the oled panel
@@LeFatalpotato A new 4K120Hz G-Sync Advanced Optimus 500 nits display was announced, but has not yet been released.
Exactly even my m15 has 1440p @ 240hz
Steven is the best and most honest laptop reviewer on youtube.
Thanks mate 👍
@Steve, awesome review, covering all the aspects of the laptop. However, that 2.5 hrs battery life with UA-cam playback at 50% brightness is really concerning and becoming a trend with 12th gen H series laptops. Although, we are getting some nice performance boost when plugged in, I think we're going backwards to couple of years, when gaming laptops used to be something to be used in your desk, always plugged in. Ryzen 4000, 5000 and now 6000 series processors have shown that we can have high performance and battery life at the same time, making a gaming laptop far more versatile and enables it to use as laptop, not just a desktop replacement. It may be 10 to 15% slower than 12th gen but can also give 10 hrs+ battery life for that UA-cam playback.
We have seen with Intel spending billions to convince users that they are better than Apple Silicon and they have gone out of their way to ramp up performance with little fires-ectopic to efficiency, which some may argue is the raison d’etre of the M1 chips. A lot of YT creators praise Intel for allowing full performance on battery but that means battery life bombs and I feel if you are unable to do both, as Apple Silicon does, then AMD have gone the better route by power-throttling when on battery, to get those better SoT’s. I get the impression that all the hype for these 12th-gen are going to prove inflated and that next week when the M2 arrives we will see Intel back to square one. Of course, this is a gaming laptop at heart, so Dell have focused on that, but an AMD solution for those that want better battery life would be nice, but I suspect Intel are hanging on for their life and are offering deals if OEMs stay with them exclusively.
I agree mate. I was discussing this with a friend last night. These efficiency cores don't seem to be that efficient after all...
@@OWNORDISOWN Actually people jumped to conclusions thinking they're similar to ARM big little architecture. The fact is that kind of arrangement is not possible yet in a CISC (Complexes Instruction Set computer) design on which x86 is based on. For that the OS and the CPU needs to have far deeper integration currently only possible in RISC based designs or in custom SOC + dedicated OS Combination you see in the gaming consoles. What I think Intel's purpose is to increase the thread count without increasing the power consumption to an extreme as P Cores are already very power hungry. Currently there is no software which can identify and assign lighter threads to E core and heavy threads to P core and that's entirely done by the logic inside the CPU. Its similar to the thread assignment logic used by OS to assign threads to physical cores 1st and then to the logical cores in a SMT enabled CPU.
A very nice and good review! Refreshing to see a review without any strings attached... Thank you! 👍🏻
Great review, Stephen. Been waiting for this one. Disappointing to see the performance of the 3080 TI. Since they don't have the 3080 available, it may be like the X15 R2 where the 3070 TI gives the better value. I don't understand why they offer a QHD in the X15 R2 but not the X17 where it would be more natural IMO, but overall I think Alienware did well with this gen. Excellent video. You and Dave from Mash IT are my go to reviewers now a days.
Thanks Patrick, appreciate the support! Yes, I don't know why they don't do a 1440p on the 17" , daft really. Nice laptop but a bit pricey for me. 3070ti is definitely the way to go. Have a good weekend!
They have the qhd option now
@@chase4est1 that's good to know, thanks!
Aww, their design sense, is soo exotic and out of the world, literally in trance seeing that gorgeous white😵😵
175w GPU ...is simply bonkers hope they make an AmD 6000 series version with a qhd screen. Great stuff here mate! Cheers. I cant wait for Legion 7 2022 !!
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Hi Stephen!!! great video
your final comment is totally true, geopolitics can really affect the distribution chain. Even when it shows a great performance, it is in the same category of the Razer laptop: too much money for what it delivers.
but it must be nice to play there hahaha
Yeah, its too much money for me. I'm getting to the stage of life where I need my money for retirement ...I have enough toys to play with already :)
Yep i've been following it closely. Alot of precious metals are mined in Russia. Palladium mainly comes from Russia, Russia is also the worlds biggest exporter of Nickel. Alluminium is quite high at the moment. Copper - Russia is the 2nd largest exporter after Chile. Platinum-Russia is one of the top 5 exporters. Gold is rising. It wouldn't surprise me if computers continue to rise in price this year. But not only computers look at the price of wheat it has skyrocketed. Ukraine and Russia are 2 of the 5 biggest wheat exporters in the world accounting for 25% of all wheat exports, and then you have the rise in oil prices as well. This year will be tough on everyone. Sanctioning Russia will unfortunately have a boomerang effect for us consumers in the West.
@@medved4030you are totally right. Maybe is time to get a good laptop for the difficult times of shortage
great review! thanks for the detail!
That's more powerful than my 9000$ PC !!! Except the Cpu i7 but more than half the price and the heat looks very less, Nice review 👍🏻
This makes me happy with my 140 watt 3070 from last year. Still strongly in the middle of the pack with not very much real world difference...
The design is pretty nice, One of the most attractive things I see is that bezel, it's tight all the way around.
But man the price, got to love paying that Dell alienware tax.
Yeah, it is expensive. Even the 3060 model is a lot. I think Asus has better prices this year
thanks for posting the LatencyMon results
Best review!
Thanks, appreciate it!
thnx great review
still these RTxXX8X series laptops are overpriced compared to what they offer vs XX70 series and their profit for Nvidia is huge.
Thanks! Yeah, also Intel too probably. I still love my Legion 7 and its 3070 😀👍
Great honest reveiw
A shoutout to Stephens wallet! I thank it, and you for the hard work 👍
Isn’t that HP psu a 200w unit?
Hey Bob! I know many of your videos were sponsored by your wallet too ! Its 230w. Same size too. How's that liquid cooled laptop coming along ?
Oiiii, this man is spending his kidney to give us top content!!😍😍
This is the 14th Dell laptop I have bought to review. It's about time they send me one I think!
@@OWNORDISOWN Completely, and they are very overpriced for what it offers, given the price you paid getting a 660:1 contrast screen is something else 🙄 You can get 800 dollar devices with better image quality
A well detailed thx sir
Noice one champ
Cheers bud
Only if they had a QHD screen, it would be perfect !!!
Yes, I wish there was an option for that!
A QD OLED ONE!!
Nice review, but what about bottom temperature? I actually use my gaming laptop (GE75 8sf) at my lap, so that's an important parameter for me, since I don't want my my jewels to melt...
Wow. Great stuff. Love the performance comparison with the previous generations.
Thats what we want, to see if these are worth paying top dollar. Some reviews just focus on benchmarks and crazy FPS numbers and completely forget price / performance ratio
Excellent video mate
Thanks mate! Appreciate it. Glad you liked it and thanks for the feedback 😀 👍
Over $3k is too much for a laptop.
Good point to Dell for choosing 12700h, it was the best choice 👌 Sometimes outperforms even i9 12900, 12800h usualy exremly disappointing in tests.
Long time listener (viewer) first time commenter :D. I'm curious, why didn't you pick up the i9? Was it cost or heat (noise) or something else? I see the M15 r7 doesn't even provide the option for the i9, so my only assumption is thermals. Thanks and great video!
TBH I'm surprised that you even bought this machine. A 17 inch 1080p screen is unacceptable. It's great that Alienware kept the temps in check, for a change. However, other than that, I don't see a lot compelling about it. There are too many compromises to warrant the cost IMO. If I was interested in productivity and gaming, I would look at the competition. I guess this works for those who want maximum framerates and nothing else.
I assume you plan to return this machine for something better.
My X17 R1 max speck is kicking butt with the 4K panel.
Yes, this is 2022 where even ultrabooks are moving to 2.5k and 3K displays. I can no longer accept 1080p in a 17-inch panel, it is a massive downgrade if you have ever used 4K. For non-gaming workflows then 4K is a great feature and at this price almost compulsory.
Hi Master Which laptop do you recommend between Lenovo legion 5 Pro Gen 7 and Asus Tuf F15 (2022) which you would choose
Newegg lists the 3060 model of the TUF at $1500 whilst the 5 pro with a 3050Ti is some $200 more expensive. On that basis I think the TUF is better value, especially since they have improved the panels and you now have a mux switch. I still prefer the look and port layout of the Legion 5 Pro but they seem to be asking for a lot of money...
Truly built for Aliens, normal people can't afford $3600 for a laptop!!
LOL, totally true :)
Are Alien rich?
With 3070ti it's $1000 cheaper.
Mine costs 4,300 before taxes then I threw in a second 4TB m.2 nvme ssd
That’s not true you just need to save. Anyone can really save. And frankly it’s not like you’re buying a $36,000 car. It’s definitely worth the money for the amount of time that you use it.
I saved and built myself computer in 2017. It’s lasted this whole time. Now it’s time for me to invest again in a product that will probably lay me at least five or more years of daily use. Now this time as a student I need a mobile device not a desktop! It’s a no brainer!
1.thanks for the video. What are your thoughts on x17 r1 model 3070? Do you think it is a good bang for the buck? What are the best overclocking numbers for cpu and gpu in your opinion?
2.Do you recommend doing undervolting while overclocking?
Thanks, glad you liked my video 😀
I think the 3070 model is a great machine. The 3070 is definitely capable and if you see a deal its worth having.
I used to UV the CPU and OC the GPU all the time but the 11th gen and 12th gen are often locked down undervolt I have found that there is not as much wriggle room as before. Shame. Diabling the efficiency cores on 12th gen does give a CPU clock boost but higher temperatures but helps in games that like a fast CPU.
The regular KB does indeed also lack secondary lighting. Truly bizarre and dealbreaker for me.
The infamous metal washer on the speaker is still a thing I see.
Hey Steven, could you check if you can use 100w USB C charging via the Thunderbolt 4?
Another Great, honest review. Thanks. Pity Alienware demands a premium on their laptops. Crazy times indeed 🙂 haha. Take care and stay safe.
Thanks, you too Etienne! I have never known such a crazy few years as we have faced recently. I think many people will be saving their cash this year..
7:44 Well the temperatures seems very unbelievable, damn, that cpu is almost 10 degrees cooler than gpu.
What room temperature did you tested the laptop at? Any approximate value will be helpful.
As my Helios 300 is almost close to boiling water, touching 95+ degrees Celsius on cpu (i7-11800H) easily at nearly 25-30. Celsius room temperature.
Are the new thermal pastes very effective? Cause i will be repasting within 1-2 months for sure for my satisfaction.
Undervolting is disabled/locked in my laptop, in "Edit Power Plan" i tried to set "Maximum processor state" to 99% instead of 100% with sudden drop in thermals like 20 degrees celcius, which looks like software based assumption, well, laptop being running nearly at same temperature for next 10+ minutes and no software tweaking can drop physical temperate to 20.c instantly lol.
This technique makes my laptop underperform a lot, so i changed back to 100%.
Talking about these new processors, they look very promising for "content" creators, editor and professionals. (Not only youtubers but i am talking about movie productions and editing done at large scales, and of course music production) cause they are all into APPLE APPLE APPLE currently.
For content creation and 6K rendering, Would you suggest the X15 R2 i7 with 3070/80 Ti + 32 GB ram? Or this X17 R2 i7 with 3070/80 Ti + 32 GB ram instead? Great review BTW!
How did you get it for so cheap? Is it australian dollars? In europe we would have to pay 4000€ for that same spec
i have it and without a doubt its the best laptop ever had
u got 4k or 360hz..i want to buy it but am confused about the screen
@@cyberzone2203 they actually have a 1440p 165 Hz option now which I just ordered.
my favourite
Hi there, a question
If in my country for its situation , the price of legion 5 pro 2021 with rtx3070 and Ryzen 7 5800h , be in a same amount with new legion 5i pro 2022 with i7 12th gen and rtx 3060
For gaming purpose which should I choose? Stronger gpu with last gen cpu AMD (or i7 11800) or slower gpu with intel 12th gen and probably a little better cooling?
Hello Steve, thank you for the awesome video I have the alienware x17 r2 12700h rtx 3080ti 360hz 1080p , and I apologize in advance for this long text message, but I think this will help many other owners of this laptop.
I noticed on battery some flickering on the bottom of the screen sometimes there is artifcating. I tried changing display to 60hz which seems to solve it and then put it back on 360 hz and tried to change the display power saving mode in the intel graphic command center, which seemed to fix it when turning it off but then it happened again the next day so i turned the display power saving mode on and no more flicker. did you experience anything like that? I appreciate it if try to see if you experience this while surfing the web on battery. Also saw similar problem on reddit , thank you again for your efforts.
Since the intel display power setting didnt solve the issue, I made a call to Dell support and one of their agent remotely checked my laptop and I showed him the screen issue when on battery as I had it filmed using my mobile phone , capturing software doesnt detect it as its hardware issue. The Dell agent uninstalled the igpu intel driver and downloaded the one from dell, and he went into advanced => pci ecpress=> link state power management and changed the values to off on both battery and plugged in modes. I used the laptops for about 30minutes havent realized any issues. What i did next i went back to those settings and set them back to their defaults which is maximum power saving on both battery & plugged in modes and then the screen was flickering & doing double imagery even on desktop. So went back into link state power management and tried to change battery mode to moderate power saving and off on plugged in mode, as of typing this its been like 20 minutes no issues. It seems I narrowed it down to this in advanced power management. I hope this helps and it would be great if u let me know how your machine behaves, and please let me know your thoughts on this if it solves the issue, with your experience is that a defect or you think the new drivers/new intel cpu architecture needs better drivers which might get resolved & ironed out with software. Thank you , and best regards
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I have the Alienware or four with a GTX 1060. It runs most games that I used to play just fine like Crysis, Crysis Warhead and Crysis 2 as well as Crysis 3.
I liked the old Alienware design with the RGB strips on the sides more and these new models are smaller and lighter but not as exciting visually. Before I am going to pay $3000 or more for a laptop it has to seriously be necessary
for work as well as a definite tax write off.
Good video, I hope you can analyze the Alienware X15 and X14, Alienware has a nice look, it is good, very good quality compared to other laptops, how about the chassis?
Thanks! Glad you liked my video. I would like to check out the X14 for sure. If I can get a free one then I might. The chassis is very nice, panel has a bit of flex when your twist the corners but when you press on the chin its solid. Everything else is spot on. Nice and clean looking.
@@OWNORDISOWN Thank you, the Alienware would be a good purchase
@@OWNORDISOWN The temperatures in The Alienware X15 with the two fans are effective stay below 100 ºC or are above 100 ºC
I got the x17 R1 maxed out (4K 120Hz, RTX 3080, i9 11980HK, 64GB XMP RAM, 2TB Gen4 with 4 years extended warranty For $3890. back in June 2021.
These newer Laptops are expensive! 😫
i DIDNT SEE THE ICON TO CHANGE THE KEYBOARD LIGHTS. Your video only shows the back and front alien head lights. The saem happen to me, I cant find the Keyboard Icon to change the spectrum , some ideas on how to make it apprear?
I'm having display issues with my Alienware m17 R4. . the screen is blank and won't show anything
I ordered this with the 3070ti, do you know what the max TGP is for this GPU in the X17 R2?
No number pad for productivity
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Hi, Mr. OWNorDisown, I've ordered them same configurations like your except I chose 64Gbs. I would like to ask you how effective of 64 instead of 32Gbs ram. Thank you.
Hi ! It takes a lot of resource heavy programs to use that much RAM. But its certainly future proof 😀👍
@@OWNORDISOWN Thank you a lot
I wonder if you can use Throttlestop to force the CPU to boost indefinitely.
SO apparently the legion 5i this year scored 18000 + in r23 with an i7, any chance you could test out the new legions? that cpu performance seems unreal
The 1440p screen with better colour gamut coverage/support and higher brightness, or better yet - one with 16:10 AR, might have made it even better a product, but they've gimped it a lot with those keyboards, whether it's the CherryMX extra-cost one or the basic one, by leaving all the secondaries unlit... What's the use of those RGBs in the keydeck when a lot of the keys/functions do not light up? Just don't try to defend them with the one-can-develop-mussle-memory-for-specific-secondaries-placements line of thought, as this can easily be reversed to one-can-develop-mussle-memory-for-all-keys ideology thus no pricy or energy eating RGBs on the front/keydeck are actually needed ;) The rear ring is just for show, pretty much useless, and in a mobile format where every electron out of the battery pack counts, it should be considered a detriment or flaw in the design flair... At least Lenovo in their Legions actually makes use of the RGB/lighting do bolster functionality - sure in the previous/last year gen the included Corsair software made it a detriment to mobile aspect of possible workfklows but Lenovo this year planned to have some of the RGB controls moved to firmware and their own application/software stack within the Legion Centre. But Dell, knowing full well of the drawbacks and flaws of the last year releases, decided against fixing those in the R2 models. It's not like Dell doesn't know people like to see all the keys/functions when it's needed - they're making sure to have such functionality properly implemented in their XPS and and business lines, even in the lower Dell gaming units, but not in the top-of-the-Dell's-gaming-crop...
Great review and a lovely looking machine 🤩
Those new graphics cards are a scam though - not worth upgrading.
Thanks Rob! I agree. No need to upgrade your 3080 Razer 😀👍
Nice review as usual. The ultra thin and all ports on the back layout is really not for me. I guess at least the fan noise is passable.
Nice to hear you will review the GE66. I have a GE76 with 12900HK, 3070Ti, and QHD on the way. Out of the options I have seen so far it seems to be the best in the 17 inch class for me. I am just hoping it does not have any high pitched fan whistle in balanced mode.
Thanks! I think you have one of the most powerful systems out there. Ill make sure to listen for any fam whistle on the GE66. My main concern would be the screen, I would have screen issues on my Dragonshield in optimus mode.
@@OWNORDISOWN Yeah, I was surprised when the MSI Store got a few of them in stock the other day as it is still listed as pre-order through resellers. I hope optimus mode does work ok. I guess dedicated mode could be used but I doubt it would make it through a three hour meeting unplugged, and is also very stressful on the battery that way. I also have hopes that a repaste will not be needed with the upgraded thermal pad they are using now for the 12900HK.
Great review but these prices, ouch 😩
Cheers mate. Yes, I can see them getting higher too. I sell metal as my day job and it is getting insane
Test against M1 Max. Curious.
Great review as always, the 3080ti definitely isnt worth it comparing to 3070ti
Hi, any news on legion 5i and 5i pro 2022?
How does this laptop mainitain an avg of 112W on the CPU? Its showing a CB23 score of an i9 12900H. Was that score a single run or a 10 mins run? does that mean all other OEMs are bad and Dell is the only one who did it?
I hope they add high quality speakers in x17 R3 model it is really disappointing to have a speaker within that price range IMO
My Alienware 15r2 aving 3080ti 140w but i dont know wjy its going beying 110w even full speed its stays at 110w , did they done something mess with bios now
Great video! The only bad thing about this laptop is the eye watering price tag 🤣
Thanks Matteo! Yes, it is a lot of money. You can get a good laptop for half that price. My Legion 7 cost me $1699..
Do a alienware x17 r2 and razer blade 17 2022
Please review ASUS ROG Zephyrus M16
This price jack is manufacturers cottoning onto how inflated desktop components are right now for sure, does not reflect performance gains over the non-Ti variants at all. Razer Blade laptop hike for example is just a joke tbh compared to what we've had up to now. I think so many people are buying laptops instead of overvalued desktop GPU's instead because, you can simply get a much better deal doing so but now, that's out the window.
I got the same exact model delivered yesterday, and then you post this review lol. But I must say, so far using the laptop I have agree with all that you mentioned. The cooling is definitely on point here, and while the 12700h is a great improvement, the 3080ti has almost identical performance to the 3080 I had in the Msi GE76 that I had to return. Great review as always!
Hello, i have also the x17 r2 12700h 3080 ti 360hz, i noticed mine has some flickering , and artifacting when on battery and tried turning off intel display power save mode with no use, and had dell support remote check the laptop, they reinstalled intell igpu driver from dell website and turned off power saving mode on pci express power management available under advanced power mode windows setting, can you please check ur laptop, also read 2 others on reddit having same issue. try some surfing online while on battery and try to leave laptop idle a bit , i noticed this replicates the issue for me without the pci express fix. thank you appreciate any info
@@ameerchehab Hey, I have been using mine on battery for a few hours and havent had any such issues. I'm guessing this might be a software thing, or could be hardware issue. I have also reduced my frame rate to 60Hz while on battery using the Display options on windows 11 to further save my battery life. Maybe try running your laptop on 60Hz instead while running on battery and see if that helps?
@@189snake thanks for the quick reply, can u try run on battery at 360hz, i tried 60hz haven't seen this issue. Plz give it a try surf a bit and try to read something see if it provokes it when idle . Thanks
@@ameerchehab ok i'll give it a go.
@@ameerchehab Hey, sorry for late reply. I ran on 360hz on battery for two hours, and did not have any flickering issues. It seems to work fine for me.
Why did you choose to buy the Alienware laptop instead of a different model?
Well, I did buy the Razer Blade 17 too. I chose the Alienware because it would arrive earlier and I could get a fairly early review out
Hello, i don’t want to be rude but its a not a fair review.
Has super performances but with tweks was fair to show a gpu scale to see the power limit.
For someone who want to loose 1d or more for repaste and tweks before play and work at the end will be a super laptop.
Ha, man that things is over the top.
If it had 10key I'd think about the 3070ti version, oh well. Legions and Aorus for me I guess, it's a hard life.
I did like the Aorus 17. If only it had a myx switch and a higher PL1.
Is there an option for a keyboard with a numeric pad?
I dont believe so
This unit should be compared to the MSI 12UHF-252 / 12900k, 3080 Ti [ 175W ], and two 980 PRO [ 2 x 2TB in RAID 0 ] with a 4K 120Hz UHD Screen. It's a smidge pricier, but so worth it for work in ADOBE PREMIERE PRO.
I hope you didn't sell your kidney to buy this laptop :/
i had the same thought
LOL. I didn't tell the wife so I am still alive :)
Screen options really not good this year and that contrast is terrible
Yeah, I was disappointed that there was no QHD option
Second!
i fail to see how someone would need that much power in a laptop, SFF case and 3080ti system would cast you similar but with 100% more performance
Almost $4000 and they can’t even give you a 2 TB SSD? For those prices I would expect a 4 TB SSD almost.
I hope you get sponsors.
Thanks, I do get units from some folks, but not Dell or Razer. This is the 14th Dell laptop I have bought to review. Thats why I don't do many of them now. I just cannot afford it...
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Cheers Ted!
nice
You know you're old when you hear QHD and you say to yourself why would I want that crap resolution when there's 4K. 2022 and QHD has made a comeback. Lol.
First!
Me thinks Steven has deeeeeeeep wallets and a deep pocket.
Dang this thing is a beast, sadly while it does bench pretty well… that price though is going to have me working my butt off… I’m still sure there are better alternatives to this but we shall see from ROG or such
Yeah, I think the Aus Strix Scar is a great deal.
It sounds funny to write this but I feel sorry for Intel. For the first time in last ten years they make a balls to the walls upgrade to their cpus, and all oems decide to do is add 10w for the gpu, ddr5 ram and $500-1000 to the price. Total waste of such a fine cpu.
For that money, I will prefer Clevo/Sager "Big Chungus".
RTX40xx 600W RIP gaming laptops laptops :(
Why do you do $ not £
Because I live in the USA
@@OWNORDISOWN USA USA!!!
Why does razer ask so much money for these kind of specs
Your wallet is the real star here
LOL, its certainly lighter after purchasing this baby!
@@OWNORDISOWN
Congrats
But your wallet wont be happy for months now😂
1080p display, no way no how
Yeah, me too. I love my qhd panel
things that triggers me in those kind of laptops and it's not the laptop manufacturers fault it's people stupidity mostly(of course they could fix it) 1) for a 3080Ti laptop why pair it with a 1080 360Hz monitor, if you are a competitive CSGO player that need everything he can have, 144Hz is obsolete let have 360Hz, for 99.9 per cent people it's a stupid pairing this thing should have at least 1440P monitor 120Hz, or above 2) no number pad that an alienware thing
$1200 laptop they want $2300 for? On brand for Alienware. Free QC issues with every purchase also.
Yeah, I remember the Gigabyte G5 with an RTX 3060 was $1100. That seems so long ago, or was it just a dream? Lol
Isn't this like $3k
@@ACE112ACE112 the base model
Alle AMD Alienware wait for it
Great video. AW has lost me years ago. Thedy pull stupid stuff all the time. Why a 1080p panel only with 3080ti....Bottlenecks the perforamance of the gpu. makes zero sense.
Thanks, glad you liked it! Yes, I wish there was a QHD option 🙁
Rip wallet.
Yep. The cost of doing reviews unfortunately
@@OWNORDISOWN Sucks that companies aren't giving you review units. With that in mind, why not review cheaper models with lower specs?
I guess it's an ulala nyahaha
3600$ for 1080p waht a joke man
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Great review, but this product is crap.