fulhelm is since he says destroyed by battle but doesn't say 'and sent to gy', which exempts him & opponent's monster from needing to remain on field to activate & resolve, & destroyed monsters are sent to gy @ start of that substep so he's a valid target. which of course is the opposite intuition of armory arm, which does say 'and sent to gy'. if they wanted it to inflict on-field atk, should've been an after-calc trigger.
That’s a lot of yap. Basically Fulhelm activates because it KNOWS that rụi will be destroyed by battle. Dmg Calc is always after battle and that’s why ryko pops.
@@giantsdudeful if you read the pojo sources for the Edison ruling, monsters that specify a destroyed monster must be sent to the GY in battle don’t KNOW that they actually will if they leave the field before the end of damage calc. Talking about why ryko pops here sounds like yap
Feel like the quiz included a bunch of vanillas and spell cards that do nothing so the maker doesn’t accidentally mess some convoluted ruling up themselves 😂
The Caius Sangan thing I didn’t understand until literally just now with how you phrased it. In Yugioh, there is a window between paying a cost and getting an effect or summon where you can negate the effect or summon. Sangan being tributed is essentially cost, it happens first, if you solemn the summon of Caius Sangan still ends up in grave. In this way of looking at it, the cost to tribute summon is your normal summon and a monster being sent to grave, and the effect to be negated is the actual summon.
not quite as painful to judge's ears as the word fizzle, but to be exact it is the nature of summoning procedures & ritual/fusion effects that material movements & the summon are always sequential, never simultaneous. this is in the domain of conjunctives. it is only analogous to cost/effect separation for a chain with just 1 link 1st(activate);1st(materials,summon) ~ 1st(cost,activate);1st(effect) if CL2 also has a cost, the sequence is 1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate);2nd(effect),1st(effect) if instead of costs these were effects that ritual/fusion summon, the sequence is 1st(activate),2nd(activate);2nd(materials,summon),1st(materials,summon) if the summoning effects have costs, the sequence is 1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate);2nd(materials,summon),1st(materials,summon) if CL3 negates the activation of CL2, the sequence is 1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate),3rd(cost,activate);3rd(effect),1st(materials,summon) if CL1 negates an "inherent" summon i.e. a summoning procedure outside a chain, the sequence is {materials,summon?},1st(cost,activate);1st(summon>gy) if CL3 negates the effect of CL2 (without negating the activation), the sequence is {materials, summon?},1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate);2nd(effect),1st("fizzle"),{summon!} to conclude, effects that summon always move materials as the previous action to the summon, while all costs are sequenced in ascending order followed by all effects in descending order excluding negated activations; for inherent summons, the summon negation window chain is between the materials movement & the summon or negated summon.
@@josepharmstrong6852 It needs to be a mandatory grave trigger as the material because in Edison the mandatory grave trigger of Sangan will always be chain link 1 over a mandatory summon trigger on field. The above comment is nice because it is clarifying how summoning mechanics work, since there is no response window in the middle of a non-inherent summon(tribute summoning is an inherent summon so it does effectively work as described for Sangan-Caius.). The judge above has probably had to resolve a lot of calls regarding people trying to solemn a fusion or ritual monster after the materials are sent which is not possible.
2:15 if this ruling is the same in tengu plant synchro format, thats so convenient for herald of perfection, sangan chain link 1, caius chain link 2. Herald can only negate the last thing on the chain link, negate caius, herald doesnt get banished, the herald player doesn give a shit about sangan search, they protected their boss monster
apparantly no. fulhelm is different to shura because it doesnt need to see the monster go to grave just like guaiba in later formats. Its just stupid it can summon itself though
@@analoghabits9217 Maybe there is a section of the Yugioh rulebook that has something about Union monsters and mentions this. But if there is not, I'd be saying there is no condition that only one union monster can be equipped to a monster at a time unless a Union card says so.
No Karpath I told you last time we played together you cannot chain MST to Mirror Force to negate it 🤦🏻
WHAIT IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT?!?!
BUT IT DESTROYS IT? How is it not negated if it’s destroyed???
fulhelm is since he says destroyed by battle but doesn't say 'and sent to gy', which exempts him & opponent's monster from needing to remain on field to activate & resolve, & destroyed monsters are sent to gy @ start of that substep so he's a valid target. which of course is the opposite intuition of armory arm, which does say 'and sent to gy'. if they wanted it to inflict on-field atk, should've been an after-calc trigger.
That’s a lot of yap. Basically Fulhelm activates because it KNOWS that rụi will be destroyed by battle. Dmg Calc is always after battle and that’s why ryko pops.
@@giantsdudeful if you read the pojo sources for the Edison ruling, monsters that specify a destroyed monster must be sent to the GY in battle don’t KNOW that they actually will if they leave the field before the end of damage calc. Talking about why ryko pops here sounds like yap
Feel like the quiz included a bunch of vanillas and spell cards that do nothing so the maker doesn’t accidentally mess some convoluted ruling up themselves 😂
The Caius Sangan thing I didn’t understand until literally just now with how you phrased it.
In Yugioh, there is a window between paying a cost and getting an effect or summon where you can negate the effect or summon. Sangan being tributed is essentially cost, it happens first, if you solemn the summon of Caius Sangan still ends up in grave.
In this way of looking at it, the cost to tribute summon is your normal summon and a monster being sent to grave, and the effect to be negated is the actual summon.
not quite as painful to judge's ears as the word fizzle, but to be exact it is the nature of summoning procedures & ritual/fusion effects that material movements & the summon are always sequential, never simultaneous. this is in the domain of conjunctives.
it is only analogous to cost/effect separation for a chain with just 1 link
1st(activate);1st(materials,summon) ~ 1st(cost,activate);1st(effect)
if CL2 also has a cost, the sequence is
1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate);2nd(effect),1st(effect)
if instead of costs these were effects that ritual/fusion summon, the sequence is
1st(activate),2nd(activate);2nd(materials,summon),1st(materials,summon)
if the summoning effects have costs, the sequence is
1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate);2nd(materials,summon),1st(materials,summon)
if CL3 negates the activation of CL2, the sequence is
1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate),3rd(cost,activate);3rd(effect),1st(materials,summon)
if CL1 negates an "inherent" summon i.e. a summoning procedure outside a chain, the sequence is
{materials,summon?},1st(cost,activate);1st(summon>gy)
if CL3 negates the effect of CL2 (without negating the activation), the sequence is
{materials, summon?},1st(cost,activate),2nd(cost,activate);2nd(effect),1st("fizzle"),{summon!}
to conclude, effects that summon always move materials as the previous action to the summon, while all costs are sequenced in ascending order followed by all effects in descending order excluding negated activations; for inherent summons, the summon negation window chain is between the materials movement & the summon or negated summon.
Also sangan feels like a bad example as it's effect is mandatory.
@@josepharmstrong6852 It needs to be a mandatory grave trigger as the material because in Edison the mandatory grave trigger of Sangan will always be chain link 1 over a mandatory summon trigger on field. The above comment is nice because it is clarifying how summoning mechanics work, since there is no response window in the middle of a non-inherent summon(tribute summoning is an inherent summon so it does effectively work as described for Sangan-Caius.). The judge above has probably had to resolve a lot of calls regarding people trying to solemn a fusion or ritual monster after the materials are sent which is not possible.
I only saw the thumbnail and I tought it was gonna be a reversal quiz FTK deck
2:15 if this ruling is the same in tengu plant synchro format, thats so convenient for herald of perfection, sangan chain link 1, caius chain link 2. Herald can only negate the last thing on the chain link, negate caius, herald doesnt get banished, the herald player doesn give a shit about sangan search, they protected their boss monster
When I saw the intro, before watching I took the quiz and got 100%. Now gonna watch the vid and see if I did better then you
apparantly no. fulhelm is different to shura because it doesnt need to see the monster go to grave just like guaiba in later formats. Its just stupid it can summon itself though
Why can only one union monster be equipped???
original text of all unions back then had that condition
@@analoghabits9217 Maybe there is a section of the Yugioh rulebook that has something about Union monsters and mentions this.
But if there is not, I'd be saying there is no condition that only one union monster can be equipped to a monster at a time unless a Union card says so.
@@UltanOfficial they literally did. This video is about edison