Not a minute and a half into the video and you can see THG’s wheels turning on creating alternate NHL timelines based on redrafts! Make it happen Shannon!
They picked 4 great players, 4,414 regular season games from just their first 4 draft picks (rest were not great). It’s just unfortunate they traded both Cassels and LeClair before either of them broke out, and missed more then half the careers of Desjardins and Schneider.
7:17 - McEachern was a part of a really unique pair of transactions in 93-94. He was traded to LA from Pittsburgh for Marty McSorley right at the end of the summer, and then sent back to Pittsburgh with Tomas Sandstrom at the deadline for Jim Paek and...Marty McSorley.
Turgeon and Cam Neely would’ve been an absurd pairing, like I doubt Turgeon would’ve waited long for the Hall if he played with Neely for most of his career.
Do you realize that 3 of the players on your redraft of 1987 grew up in the same town in Quebec and played most of their lives , prior to juniors, together. Pierre Turgeon (3) , Eric Desjardins(4) and Stephane Matteau all grew up in Rouyn-Noranda, QC. Additionally, on those same minor league teams, Andre Racicot was the goalie. He did not have the career that the other did, but he was the backup to Patrick Roy for a few years in Montreal. Not bad for a town of 40,000 people in Northern Quebec.
I do enjoy these redraft videos. Any chance 1998 will get a turn? Id love to see how far up the board one Pavel Datsyuk goes. Thanks again for the content!
Top 5. It's interesting when HOF and all star players are found so late. Nothing in hockey compares to Mike Piazza, future Baseball Hall of Fame catcher, being drafted in the 62nd (!) and final round simply as a favor to his dad. But Datsyuk and Zetterberg are both amazing stories of developing late round guys who probably weren't projected as NHL players at all.
McEachern was my first favourite as a 5-6 year old Sens fan. 142 goals over 6 seasons - he definitely didn't struggle after he left Pittsburgh. He was pretty much #3 behind Yashin and Alfie for most of that time. Also I will always have a soft spot for Van Allen for his OT goal in game 1 of the 03 ECF.
I love how looking back at these drafts just shows you how nothing is certain and how players can rise to the occasion. I also wonder if some of those top picks who came up short coulda had better careers had they started with a different team. Like could Yakupov have found his game if he didn’t start with the oilers
Mario with no hesitation. This isn't a slight on Patrick Roy but a testament to how good Mario Lemieux was. He was the best hockey player I have ever seen so far.
I'm an Avs fan and it's obvious to me Sakic has to go first overall, or MAYBE second after Shanahan. These redrafts are all about hindsight, not arguing where players should have gone to start and spend the bulk of their careers. So no worries about alternate timelines from me.
Second after Shanahan? Are you insane? Sakic is a leader that carried a team. Shanahan is a fraud who relied on the coat tails of the Wings Hall of Famers
We all know i disagree with this man alot , and i have even insulted him a few times in the comments .. but fact is , his hockey content is top notch and i still watch every video always
Mathieu Schneider is a border line Hall of Famer. And a HOF'er in my heart- as an Leaf's fan! There are players with weaker careers- but greater team fortune- in the HOF than Schneid...
Can you please do 1983? Please wear a Blues jersey then point out when you draft Hasek and Tocchet that the Blues owners elected not draft to punish the city because the team was going to stay and they were going to sell them either way.
It would be interesting to see what choices you would make if you did all the redrafts in chronological order for two reasons. First, in general, redrafts from everybody on the internet ignores the needs of the team. For example, I doubt any GM not named Milbury would constantly draft goalies in the first round just because they were the best player available. Second, it would be interesting if you looked at the redrafted players every five or ten years and compare them to the players that teams actually drafted during that time to see how much better or worse they could have been.
Take the best players from every draft, put then on an All Star team of sorts. An All Draft team. What woukd they be and how would they compare to other years. Take the top 12 forwards, top 4 dmen, and 2 goalies from each year (bottom lines are fluid).
This is a tough one . Joe sakic is the no brainer but at the end it is a bunch of checkers with almost identical offensive stats. The offensive guys really dry up. Daniel Marois was a talented player but didn't last that long and wasnt super talented. Lot of these guys who played around the same amount of time I don't know. Course I do know Luc Richardson, Gary Valk, daniel marois, Mike eastwood, cause they were Leafs. I'd forgotten That Quebec took Bryan Fogarty ahead of Sakic. he was highly regarded supposed to be the next Bobby Orr. always though Dean Chynoweth got a ton of press at the time and I don't remember ever seeing him play. One starting goalie Hebert. One career Back up hackett with the Tabby cat and Mark Fitzpatrick not making the first round grade. I had the Bruins picking Shanahan and Hebert. Not bad. Quebec I had with Cassels and Ted Donato. Thats not as good. Cassels was great in hartford. Heck of a playmaker. Maceachern was fast. Couldn't pick marchment. Not sure how many careers he ruined but he almost killed Mike Gartner. He took out Joe Nieuwendyks knee. Terrible player. Joe Sakic ,Pierre Turgeon, Brendan Shanahan, Theoren Fleury, Mathieu Schneider, Eric Desjardins, John Leclair ,Glen Wesley, Andrew Cassels ,Stephane Quintal, Shawn MacEachern, Stephane Matteau, Luke Richardson, Guy Hebert, Ted Donato, Rob Dimaio Shaun Van Allen, Jim Dowd ,Jeff Hackett, Bryan Marchment, Jody Hull,
The Devils drafted Brendan Shanahan?! I didn’t know that I thought he got drafted by St Louis. Yes Desjardins was very good but best ever in Philadelphia? Mark Howe would like a word.
What's nice about your redraft videos is it shows Philly hasn't picked somebody who anybody would have wanted in the entire first round but like twice. So it's not a recent thing.
Meh. Butterfly effect. You change one thing, it changes a thousand other things. They traded Turgeon for Lafontaine. Who's to say that they don't trade Sakic? Or that Sakic would have been happy in Buffalo.
@@MDK2_Radio So the three guys I mentioned PLUS Hebert and Donato were ALL born in the USA but "born and raised" in Canada, that's really what you're saying? What a coincidence... Get the hell outta here...
How about a 1992 redraft. Anson Carter, Dan McGillis and Jonas Hoglund went in the 10th round. Khabibulin was a 9th-rounder. It seems like one of the worst scouted drafts... fall of the Iron Curtain? Or one with a ton of hidden gems...?
Carter, Mcgilis and Hoglund were solid players. It's not these guys were Hall of famers. As far as European players,no one knew when or if they would ever be able to play. Ntm, It was almost impossible to ever scout those guys.
Jeff Hackett was Sharks MVP on the inaugural season. The second season Sharks was such a clownshow that it destroyed his confidence and Irbe slowly became the number one. It is almost sacrilegious to say but it could have been good idea to keep Hackett there. Irbe was fantastic at his best but quite up and down.
Shanny over Pierre Turgeon... I love Shanny as much as the next Red Wing fan... But Pierre scored over 132 points (58 goals!) He was one of the most naturally talents players of all time... If not for injury and playing for bad teams, he would be a first ballot all of famer with multiple 100 points seasons and cups! His career was cursed he was a very unlucky man with so much more to give the sport... Also it's a travesty it took so long for him to get into the HOF. This was because of a rep blow- that labeled him as soft and a lousy teammate and almost a treason to his homeland of Canada (triple hex for a Canadian hockey player!) for being only player on the Canadian team not to fight during the "Punch-up in Piestany". I'm not saying it's right or wrong for him not defending his teammates by staying on the bench and not joining the fight, i'm just saying if this didn't happen he'd enter the hall of fame last decade... AND REMEMBER WHEN HE SCORED OVERTIME GOAL FOR THE ISLANDERS AND DALE HUNT CHEAP SHOTTED HIM DURING HIS CELEBRATION. If he wasn't out of the playoffs he and the Islanders had a great shot at winning the cup and a different story would be written about poor Pierre- One similar to what McDavid this last playoffs carrying his team to a finals, that is what Turgeon did for the Islanders that playoff run! Whatever you feel about the man and his charactor. He truly was a wonder on the ice and a natural if there ever was one and few players matches up with his talent and skill level in any era including today! Maybe there's 20 players- all time- who played may have had talent and ability on the ice greater than his- puts him on sacred ice with some truly great hockey legends... T oo bad for his injuries or his career would reflect the potential i alluded to...
I went to school with one of the original first round drafts. He was a nice guy until he was drafted and quickly turned douchey. I don't think he played more than a handful of games in the NHL despite being drafted before Sakic. I probably would have felt bad for the guy if the way he treated people hadn't changed so noticeably and quickly after being picked first round.
Not a minute and a half into the video and you can see THG’s wheels turning on creating alternate NHL timelines based on redrafts! Make it happen Shannon!
Montreal really did clean up in this draft. So many high quality players they got.
They picked 4 great players, 4,414 regular season games from just their first 4 draft picks (rest were not great). It’s just unfortunate they traded both Cassels and LeClair before either of them broke out, and missed more then half the careers of Desjardins and Schneider.
Absolutely stacked draft!
Lot of my favourite players growing up 💪
Andrew Cassels career video is overdue 🔥
7:17 - McEachern was a part of a really unique pair of transactions in 93-94. He was traded to LA from Pittsburgh for Marty McSorley right at the end of the summer, and then sent back to Pittsburgh with Tomas Sandstrom at the deadline for Jim Paek and...Marty McSorley.
Turgeon and Cam Neely would’ve been an absurd pairing, like I doubt Turgeon would’ve waited long for the Hall if he played with Neely for most of his career.
Darren Rumble, one of the greatest hockey names ever. R.I.P. Bryan Fogarty.
Do you realize that 3 of the players on your redraft of 1987 grew up in the same town in Quebec and played most of their lives , prior to juniors, together. Pierre Turgeon (3) , Eric Desjardins(4) and Stephane Matteau all grew up in Rouyn-Noranda, QC. Additionally, on those same minor league teams, Andre Racicot was the goalie. He did not have the career that the other did, but he was the backup to Patrick Roy for a few years in Montreal.
Not bad for a town of 40,000 people in Northern Quebec.
I do enjoy these redraft videos. Any chance 1998 will get a turn? Id love to see how far up the board one Pavel Datsyuk goes. Thanks again for the content!
Top 5.
It's interesting when HOF and all star players are found so late. Nothing in hockey compares to Mike Piazza, future Baseball Hall of Fame catcher, being drafted in the 62nd (!) and final round simply as a favor to his dad. But Datsyuk and Zetterberg are both amazing stories of developing late round guys who probably weren't projected as NHL players at all.
Top 5? You mean 1st
@@Cacuna why do I mean first? Was he the only great player in that draft class?
There is no real debat at would have go 1st for that draft
@@Cacuna there’s no real debate when you don’t make a case. Thanks for sharing your feelings in place of your thoughts.
Montreal had a great draft: Leclair, Desjardins, Schneider, & Cassels
Fleury playing on those Pens cup teams would have been fun.
Love the redrafts!
Finally the one with Avs legend Joe Sacco
Oh and some guy naked Sakic too
McEachern was my first favourite as a 5-6 year old Sens fan. 142 goals over 6 seasons - he definitely didn't struggle after he left Pittsburgh. He was pretty much #3 behind Yashin and Alfie for most of that time. Also I will always have a soft spot for Van Allen for his OT goal in game 1 of the 03 ECF.
Video on Fogarty would be good. A super talent, taken by alcohol/drugs.
Would love to see all your career videos in one album sorted by names. 🍿 🍿
I love how looking back at these drafts just shows you how nothing is certain and how players can rise to the occasion. I also wonder if some of those top picks who came up short coulda had better careers had they started with a different team. Like could Yakupov have found his game if he didn’t start with the oilers
i check the channel and until now 1989 redraft was not done, and that year was loaded with superstars
This would be a good career video you could do: The Career of David Legwand
These redrafts are a great series.
Wondering who everyone would pick #1 in 1984: Mario or Patrick?
Mario with no hesitation. This isn't a slight on Patrick Roy but a testament to how good Mario Lemieux was. He was the best hockey player I have ever seen so far.
I'm an Avs fan and it's obvious to me Sakic has to go first overall, or MAYBE second after Shanahan. These redrafts are all about hindsight, not arguing where players should have gone to start and spend the bulk of their careers. So no worries about alternate timelines from me.
Shanahan was good, but he was no Sakic!
Second after Shanahan? Are you insane? Sakic is a leader that carried a team. Shanahan is a fraud who relied on the coat tails of the Wings Hall of Famers
@@OotoriKyouya 🙄
With this redraft I'd be comfortable saying no '93 cup for Montreal and no '96 cup for Colorado.
I kinda want to open up Franchise Hockey Manager and manipulate historical mode to see what happens if all of Shannon's redrafts were real
Wooo baby.. nice redraft!
I was at Joe Louis Arena for this draft. Sadly Detroit hasn't hosted a draft since....thanks Gary 💩
Leafs screwed up not taking Sakic, first player I ever REALLY wanted thge Leafs to draft.
I'd watch videos of timelines with redrafts. Good summer series idea
8 of those players in the redraft were in Montreal at some point in their careers and you can add Fogerty and Racine to the connection list.
9 if you include Luke Richardson who was Montreal's assistant coach for a few years, and briefly head coach during the 2021 cup run.
sakic, shanahan, Fluery,Turgeon, Leclair, Desjardins, Schneider, Wesley, Cassels, Richardson
We all know i disagree with this man alot , and i have even insulted him a few times in the comments .. but fact is , his hockey content is top notch and i still watch every video always
Mathieu Schneider is a border line Hall of Famer. And a HOF'er in my heart- as an Leaf's fan! There are players with weaker careers- but greater team fortune- in the HOF than Schneid...
Absolutely loved Fogarty . Was hoping he woulda been a superstar . 😢
Such a shame. Before my time, but I've read about him. Seems like he was insanely talented
Can you please do 1983? Please wear a Blues jersey then point out when you draft Hasek and Tocchet that the Blues owners elected not draft to punish the city because the team was going to stay and they were going to sell them either way.
Maybe do a career video on the Montreal 87 draft so many hits
It would be interesting to see what choices you would make if you did all the redrafts in chronological order for two reasons. First, in general, redrafts from everybody on the internet ignores the needs of the team. For example, I doubt any GM not named Milbury would constantly draft goalies in the first round just because they were the best player available. Second, it would be interesting if you looked at the redrafted players every five or ten years and compare them to the players that teams actually drafted during that time to see how much better or worse they could have been.
Very cool redraft, but how is Curtis Joseph not in the first round lol
The Donato's are a great family frfr
didnt glen wesley spend more time in the carolina franchise?
He sure did.
We need to see the 1989 redraft.
Love the redraft. Wondering how'd you do 1999?
on the vancouver trade with Cam i know he did not get along with tom Watt the Canuck’s coach and for sure the pressure at playing in his home town
....Why did Montreal trade Desjardins? You'd think theyd be thrilled about having a franco-dman.
Well, they did get a Hall of Fame forward in return
They were desperate for a star forward, and had an abundance of quality dmen in the late 80s to mid 90s. Recchi was a hot commodity at the time.
Take the best players from every draft, put then on an All Star team of sorts. An All Draft team. What woukd they be and how would they compare to other years. Take the top 12 forwards, top 4 dmen, and 2 goalies from each year (bottom lines are fluid).
Question, do you think some players benefit from not being picked in the 1st round?
I'm pretty sure Sabres drafting Sakic would a have helped in 99. It's a shame you can't create alternate timelines.
HOw about a vid on the top 5-10 players who might be in the HOF ? IF you havent done 1 already....
Sakic went 15th, holy shit, I never knew that lol I really liked Wesley.
If we knew Turgeon would be a franchise player, Vancouver would not have casually shipped their 3rd overall pick...
This is a tough one . Joe sakic is the no brainer but at the end it is a bunch of checkers with almost identical offensive stats. The offensive guys really dry up. Daniel Marois was a talented player but didn't last that long and wasnt super talented. Lot of these guys who played around the same amount of time I don't know. Course I do know Luc Richardson, Gary Valk, daniel marois, Mike eastwood, cause they were Leafs.
I'd forgotten That Quebec took Bryan Fogarty ahead of Sakic. he was highly regarded supposed to be the next Bobby Orr. always though Dean Chynoweth got a ton of press at the time and I don't remember ever seeing him play.
One starting goalie Hebert. One career Back up hackett with the Tabby cat and Mark Fitzpatrick not making the first round grade.
I had the Bruins picking Shanahan and Hebert. Not bad. Quebec I had with Cassels and Ted Donato. Thats not as good. Cassels was great in hartford. Heck of a playmaker.
Maceachern was fast. Couldn't pick marchment. Not sure how many careers he ruined but he almost killed Mike Gartner. He took out Joe Nieuwendyks knee. Terrible player.
Joe Sakic ,Pierre Turgeon, Brendan Shanahan, Theoren Fleury, Mathieu Schneider, Eric Desjardins, John Leclair ,Glen Wesley, Andrew Cassels ,Stephane Quintal, Shawn MacEachern, Stephane Matteau, Luke Richardson, Guy Hebert, Ted Donato, Rob Dimaio
Shaun Van Allen, Jim Dowd ,Jeff Hackett, Bryan Marchment, Jody Hull,
Ironically, the Winnipeg Jets traded for S. Quintal in 1993
oh wow if Montreal hadda had Marchment..man oh man the hatred woulda been strrong.
The Devils drafted Brendan Shanahan?! I didn’t know that I thought he got drafted by St Louis. Yes Desjardins was very good but best ever in Philadelphia? Mark Howe would like a word.
What's nice about your redraft videos is it shows Philly hasn't picked somebody who anybody would have wanted in the entire first round but like twice. So it's not a recent thing.
If Buffalo gets Sakic, imagine they possibly win the 1999 Stanley Cup.
Meh. Butterfly effect. You change one thing, it changes a thousand other things. They traded Turgeon for Lafontaine. Who's to say that they don't trade Sakic? Or that Sakic would have been happy in Buffalo.
I believe this was the last draft where every player taken in the 1st round was Canadian.
Leclair, Schneider, McEachern all played for Team USA.
@@alainsoucysergerie9879 so did Brett Hull. He’s talking about where players were born and raised.
@@MDK2_Radio So the three guys I mentioned PLUS Hebert and Donato were ALL born in the USA but "born and raised" in Canada, that's really what you're saying? What a coincidence...
Get the hell outta here...
@@alainsoucysergerie9879 they weren't drafted in the first round.
@@MDK2_Radio I'm talking about drafted in the FIRST round.
How about a 1992 redraft.
Anson Carter, Dan McGillis and Jonas Hoglund went in the 10th round. Khabibulin was a 9th-rounder.
It seems like one of the worst scouted drafts... fall of the Iron Curtain?
Or one with a ton of hidden gems...?
Carter, Mcgilis and Hoglund were solid players. It's not these guys were Hall of famers. As far as European players,no one knew when or if they would ever be able to play. Ntm, It was almost impossible to ever scout those guys.
Jeff Hackett was Sharks MVP on the inaugural season. The second season Sharks was such a clownshow that it destroyed his confidence and Irbe slowly became the number one. It is almost sacrilegious to say but it could have been good idea to keep Hackett there. Irbe was fantastic at his best but quite up and down.
And Sharks traded Hackett to Chicago for Jimmy Waite
Amazing how Sakic wasn't even the first pick for the team that drafted him.
Size and 'mental aspects' were the biggest reasons Sakic was not drafted higher.
No Super Joe and my Avs don't have 3 Cups😿🤢
Does anyone deny that?
I can't agree with Joe Sakic being select 1st overall, But seeing him in a Sabres jersey just sounds weird, Like really weird.
Who knows what Dean Chynoweth would have become if Tocchet didn't blind him.
1984 redraft?
Splendido!!!
Why do you hate Darren Rumble with the burning passion of a thousand suns? 😅😅😅
Shanny over Pierre Turgeon... I love Shanny as much as the next Red Wing fan... But Pierre scored over 132 points (58 goals!) He was one of the most naturally talents players of all time... If not for injury and playing for bad teams, he would be a first ballot all of famer with multiple 100 points seasons and cups! His career was cursed he was a very unlucky man with so much more to give the sport... Also it's a travesty it took so long for him to get into the HOF.
This was because of a rep blow- that labeled him as soft and a lousy teammate and almost a treason to his homeland of Canada (triple hex for a Canadian hockey player!) for being only player on the Canadian team not to fight during the "Punch-up in Piestany".
I'm not saying it's right or wrong for him not defending his teammates by staying on the bench and not joining the fight, i'm just saying if this didn't happen he'd enter the hall of fame last decade...
AND REMEMBER WHEN HE SCORED OVERTIME GOAL FOR THE ISLANDERS AND DALE HUNT CHEAP SHOTTED HIM DURING HIS CELEBRATION. If he wasn't out of the playoffs he and the Islanders had a great shot at winning the cup and a different story would be written about poor Pierre- One similar to what McDavid this last playoffs carrying his team to a finals, that is what Turgeon did for the Islanders that playoff run!
Whatever you feel about the man and his charactor. He truly was a wonder on the ice and a natural if there ever was one and few players matches up with his talent and skill level in any era including today! Maybe there's 20 players- all time- who played may have had talent and ability on the ice greater than his- puts him on sacred ice with some truly great hockey legends... T
oo bad for his injuries or his career would reflect the potential i alluded to...
I'd have placed Wesley 6th.
I went to school with one of the original first round drafts. He was a nice guy until he was drafted and quickly turned douchey. I don't think he played more than a handful of games in the NHL despite being drafted before Sakic. I probably would have felt bad for the guy if the way he treated people hadn't changed so noticeably and quickly after being picked first round.
It's a shame Fleury's off his rocker.
Talented guy who couldn't keep his finger off the self destruct button.
Genuine question. Is this the weakest draft class ever?
Not even close. 1999 and 2000 were pretty weak.
Desjardins over Fleury?!?! 🙈
Correct
Vive les Nordiques!
Fleury was way better than the overrated Desjardins.