@DewiSant-o3y Yeah bs if you get hired on “merit” guess who gets raises bosses buddies or you. Company loyalty is was for boomers. They slam the door in your face if you get sick but expect relentless loyalty.
@@DanYeLL2003 I actually might amend my original statement: Knowing the right people *who really like you and will vouch for you* is honestly the only thing that matters when looking for a job.
No matter where I see a job opening posted, i always go directly to the companies web site or careers site and apply that way. If i can skip the third party screeners or recruiters, I do.
Same; I was told the other reason to do this is that recruiters know your resume came in through the company website, which can mean you already have an interest in the company and you didn't just happen to see them on a job board and applied to them with a bunch of other companies.
Back in the day you could just walk in and fill out an application and, more than likely, speak with the hiring manager as you were filling it out. They got to speak with you in person and get a good idea of what you were like. I got my first real job when I walked in and asked if they were hiring. The receptionist said no, but that I could fill out an application. The next day the owner called me and asked if I could come in and work that night. (paid) When I finished, he asked me to come back on Friday-on Friday he said "same time next week?" I never interviewed and he never said I was hired. An interview wasn't needed as he saw how I worked, how I was with the clients and other workers. He hired everyone that way-he was a great boss and I learned so much from him.
I got my first job by walking into a big box store and applying in person. I interviewed immediately and was hired on the spot. With that said, that was the last time I was ever able to do that. I vividly remember the last time I even thought to try I walked into a business I saw online was hiring with a dress shirt and asked to apply, the receptionist told me there was no in person way to apply, it's all online. I had been hearing versions of that for awhile up to that point, so that's when I decided to stop trying that method. To this day I'm pretty sure (in my opinion) that absolutely no company over say four employees does in person applications and then same day interviews anymore. It's all online, a lot is outsourced, and to me the length of time it takes to apply and eventually get hired at companies has been getting longer and longer and longer. Getting a job _is_ basically a job nowadays
I got my first job as a high school student at a grocery store because the co-manager there was a good friend of my mom's and kept moving my application to the top of the pile. I feel like even then, in 1996, I still had to know the right people.
There is way, way, way too much BS in getting white collar jobs. I learned the hard way with my degree in application programing and statistics. Retrained and got my blue collar union job where the interview lasted like five minutes and I was told to report for training in two weeks. Make 135 K the last year and retired with a good pension while so many of my friends jumped from job to job to job to job and never came close to saving the kind of my money needed for a decent retirement. Some people make it alright in the corporate world but a solid majority just get screwed.
I'm career changing from a trucker to information security. And the job market COULD NOT be more different. As a trucker I could make a couple phone calls and someone would send me a plane ticket within a few days. Now I have so much networking and job boards and conventions and linkedin groups... let's just say I'm keeping my CDL current
Yes, can confirm "corporate culture" is often disingenuous, petty and toxic....thinking of going into trades after 15 years in professional aka office jobs
14:31 A big caveat for the 2020s: if they have a Help Wanted sign, they are probably a bad employer with bad pay and poor conditions, all while complaining that “nobody wants to work”
Yep. I've never seen a big MegaCorp post a cardboard or paper "Help Wanted" sign outside. It's always small retail stores or restaurants, or other small businesses that often pay below $20/hr. Often times, it's a McJob you can't even afford to take even if you wanted to. These "McJobs" are often publicly facing and come with inconsistent hours week to week, that may not even be full-time. Jobs where the income is enough to live on, and include benefits, are rarely advertised this way. This isn't a phenomenon exclusive to the 20s, either. I think this has been true for the last 15, 20 years or so, during the rise of the online, web-based job application system. "Help Wanted" can be a lie and/or a permanent fixture too. The employer might use the pipeline method, which is common in fast food and retail, but seems rare everywhere else. Under the pipeline method, they are always willing to accept new application packages. That's where they maintain a database, or a "pipeline" of applicants. So if one was to quit, they could hire a replacement within a week, and get most training completed within another week. One time, I saw a "Help Wanted" sign worn down from age, at an old Sears location that hasn't been in operation for years. I'm pretty sure they are NOT hiring for anything at all.
Cold calling works for small companies that don’t have an official HR person and you contact the right person. I got a job by opening up the phone book and started calling companies that were closest to me. I found a job that was only three miles away. My friend has gotten a couple jobs by walking in the front door of businesses and asking them if they need a highly experienced technician.
Totally agree about job fairs and industry events generally not being great for getting a job, but I do think they can be worthwhile for networking with other job-seekers in a similar area. They can also be a good way to practice talking about yourself and the field you are trying to break into. So even if it is kind of a crapshoot in terms of landing an offer, they aren't necessarily worthless, especially when you are just starting out. Don't write them off entirely, just don't overinvest in attending them, and go in with the right expectations / mindset.
Yes! You are so right! It's great practice. Learn to get to your point, actually bring yourself up in conversation, learn to be ignored gracefully because not everyone is gonna care about you lol and you see who you are competing with. Be observant at the very least and you will go home with ideas on making yourself even better.
I found a job after reading an article about a company receiving a government contact. I sent a resume and cover letter to that company asking if they needed help. They did, and I was hired soon after. Point is, read the trades to see where business is going, like paying attention to the stock market. Then send a “fishing letter.” You can send a resume and cover letter to any company you like asking if they need help. You don’t have to wait for them to advertise. You can send an email. But sending an envelope is still a great way to stand out.
I am a highly successful healthcare professional. I have found cold calling and personal, not professional, networking to be the two most effective ways to find meaningful, lucrative, long term employment. If you are an ultrasound technician, physician, or dental hygienist… you will miss out on the best job opportunities if you don’t start with these two methods. I think your channel and advice are excellent but you way underrated these methods.
I got a job through cold calling. I sent an email and resume to someone I met at a meeting, and he emailed me to talk on the day my job was eliminated. I started there five weeks later. And the job I have now I got through my boss emailing me asking if I wanted to discuss opportunities. It came at a time when I really needed a job.
Sir, you are the real deal. You put the pants on one leg at a time, your not here selling used cars (a/k/a BS) but you are authentic and we appreciate you so much! Thank you for sharing your resources.
I've been looking for work for a long time (over three months) and haven't even had a call back or interview. This is very helpful. Wish me luck. Thank you.
Right on point. Your ratings perfectly match my own experiences in job search. Especially the job fairs. I did actually get a job once by cold calling, but it was a perfect random coincidence.
That's how I got my current role, outbound sourcing. The internal recruiter found me and it was the easiest interview process I've ever been through. Keep your LinkedIn's up to date job seekers!
@@thomass98 nah trust me, when you got desired skills they don't care whether you're open or not, they kick down your IM's Kind of like how single women wear a wedding band thinking they won't get hit on? Yeah, that doesn't matter either 😹😹😹
@@PaperRaines recruiters dont headhunt all the time for outbound sourcing, in my country you need to set yourself as Open To Work to get proper job opportunities.
@Eduardo - I'm glad that worked out for you. Have you had a problem with some recruiters trying to interest you in jobs that aren't relevant to your background, as if they didn't even read your profile? I've had that problem before.
I spent months trying to find work. As soon as I started picking up the phone and cold calling, I landed a job within days. Granted - this is the electrical industry, where employers often think they don't need people until an exceptional candidate comes their way, and perhaps more importantly, they tend to have little to no online presence. Thus directly seeking them out by any means possible can be an effective strategy, particularly for the smaller companies.
I love your experience on the corporate side. In international education, online job fairs during the hiring season are the best! I can interact with schools and schedule interviews that convert into offers (or interview online during the event). It gives much more bang for my buck than any other activity. For cold calling, I've emailed schools that I'm interested in directly if they don't have jobs listed on their website. I've gotten decent responses, but only when I do this during the main hiring season. Anyway, it's very interesting how every industry is different. Thanks for the information you're sharing!
I closed my LinkedIn account because I realized I wasn't getting any benefit out of it. I was getting hit up on the regular from headhunters wanting to put me in jobs that I wasn't a good fit for. Typically they were newbies with no technical background who didn't know anything about the role they were hiring for. I got tired of explaining to them that not all Engineers are the same.
I feel you, same industry, same nonsense when dealing with recruiters that are straight out of uni with a History or Arts degree and know jack about what a Chartered Engineer is. LinkedIn, only good for stalking who’s interviewing you haha.
The problem with your top 3 and everything else is access to resources. We’d all love to be part of a good boy network or have. A nice employee referral but the reality is almost everyone doesn’t. We are able to go on job postings and career fairs because they are accessible. But of course bring managers don’t value that unless it’s one of those rare instances
@eriks8382 exactly... we all know that it's best if a recruiter approaches you and hires you 😅 as someone who was just laid off, i need a job fast, not spend weeks, maybe even months into networking and discoverability
When I was younger, I found that temping was a great way to get into companies where I didn't have contacts. The pay was minimal, but if you're able to show managers the quality of your work, most of them will make you a full-time offer in a relatively short amount of time. Plus, it gives you the chance find out if the company is a place you would even want to work at long-term. Making friends with 2-3 quality temp agencies in your area, being available when they contact you for assignments, and doing outstanding work for the companies you are assigned to can really help you between FT jobs, if you do it right. I'm much more wary of unpaid internships. There's way too many chances for employer exploitation. If you work, you should get paid, period.
This is especially true, when there are temp agency rules about us not agreeing to work for the company without notifying the agency. This is especially ideal for construction work, and it is probably true for white collar, but I have no experience with that.
In my studies, I did an "internship" with a company foe learning purposes and they decided to keep me on as full time employed! I love what I do but I also know this is the stepping stone for a more higher competitive job later on. Still, this worked to my advantage and been working at my company for a little over a year. This guy gives great advice so listen to him!
One of my friends did an internship as well. He was supposed to be contracted for 6 months doing cybersecurity. He ended up staying with them for 3 years and he’s still there today! Another testament to what is being said here!
Before applying to any job I always pass by the place and look at the employee parking lot,if it's full of broken down raggedy cars I don't even bother.just one or two isn't a big deal as some people are just misers, but if 90%of the employees vehicles are 20 years old it's a pretty good indicator of what to expect.
Every job I've had has been through employee referrals (small town). Now I'm struggling to find a job in a new state without that strong network to carry me over. It's daunting to have to restart my professional network because I know how effective that strategy is.
Excellent video. I started working with outside recruiters after a layoff in 1993. It opened a new world to me. I started a career as a contractor after that as I found I had excellent references from a few major companies. I bounced around the same companies for over 20 years making an excellent income and taking a few weeks ( or months) off between contracts. This works well if: you are truly reliable and build great references, work in or near a big city, work in IT. I made enough to buy my own health insurance and fund my individual retirement account. The math works if your job type is in demand even in down times. IT departments seem to always be hiring somewhere. Good luck to everyone out there. The US is the land of opportunity even in down times. PS. I ADVISE working with established well known recruiters as there are many small unreliable ones you should avoid.
I just recently got my dream internship from a LinkedIn job posting. While not necessarily the best strategy, with time and effort it worked out for me. I would also love to hear more details about how to set yourself up to be sourced outbound!
Nice to see the marvelous stories of people here with hiring experiences in the past. Do I have one? No lmao. I'm 18, in college, desperately looking for a job and been have for months. I've applied to all sorts of department stores, all fast food near me. Walmart, Publix, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's, Twistee Treat, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, AutoZone Auto Parts, Tj Maxx, Ross, Bells, BJ's, Costco. Have I got a single interview? Hahaha, no. I went to every store individually wasting dozens of miles of gas asking for a hiring manager. The ones that came out, told me they weren't hiring most of the time, the rest told me they'll see the application. Haha not a single interview, response, anything. I check my emails daily, I check all the application accounts for all places I've applied to and they are all under review. I'm about to be homeless soon if I don't get hired. My college won't hire either, I'm a very social likeable person, but no.
Stay strong brother, I noticed that even getting "entry level" work right now is way more difficult than even just a few years ago. Keep throwing your resumes out there, if you have any manufacturing facilities nearby try those; they're always looking for warm bodies. The work is tedious and soul crushing, but just listen to some podcasts and pay your bills until you get something better. You got this!
Sometimes there are job boards posted on campus for students. Federally financed work-study programs will interview students to fill positions at the school if qualified. Makes it easy to schedule work between classes.
A lot of those big businesses get a lot of applicants, they are so well known. At the same time, being big companies that have huge numbers of employees, they tend to have quite rigid recruitment processes so unless they have specifically advertised a role, they will reject any application. If you see an opening, by all means go for it, but it is worth considering other types of employers. For many smaller businesses, advertising vacancies is much more expensive and time-consuming, and they are more likely to consider speculative applications. Also, businesses that aren't household names, even some quite big ones, can find it hard to recruit staff because, outside of their industry, nobody has ever heard of them. If you look for jobs in obscure places, there will be less competition.
I cold called my current job. There were only about 100 other people with my credentials in the entire state (IL) and their previous person had just retired and they literally couldn't find anyone. I had just quit my job and cold called where I'm at now. It's been 4+ years and they've given me two $10 raises. Also: I cold called the licensing authority to get my credentials transferred from another state. I had gotten credentialed back when my old state (CA) didn't have reciprocity agreements and so my previous jobs in IL had zero to do with my credentials.
I'm gonna comment on a few of these (job fairs, job boards, and help wanted signs), though I largely concur with the video. While it's nice to mention internships, that means nothing to most of us, who likely attended college ages ago, if we went at all. Wish I saw a mention of the "pipeline method." Some companies, especially fast food and retail, will use the "pipeline method." Unfortunately, this is not exclusive to fast food or retail. It's also much more common for unskilled, low-wage labor, though not every company that offers such jobs uses this method since it can result in a LOT of stale applications. The pipeline method is the phenomenon where they will always accept new applications, regardless of whether there's openings. This is to maintain a "pool" of available applicants so they don't have to wait for applications to come in. It works best either for jobs that don't need to be filled quickly, might not even be filled at all, or jobs with few requirements other than just being a warm body, basically. Leaving someone your resume, or willingly submitting a general application and not any particular opening, something some companies support, is volunteering yourself for the pipeline method. It's terrible if you "need a new job yesterday" and not a good use of your time, since it's unlikely to result in anything. 3) Job Fairs - Complete waste of time, and even a bit scammy. Exception - unless it's possibly a "mass hiring event" for typically low-wage, physically demanding, unskilled work that may not even pay enough to be worthwhile. Another (sort of) exception - If it's a university job fair at your university, it may be worthwhile to visit, but not for the reasons you might think. A freshman or sophomore should visit to get an idea of the types of jobs are nearby, the requirements for those jobs, and what you'd be expected to do. The representatives at each booth can also give you an idea or vibe of the company, though be aware whatever the internal recruiter says, might be presented through a rose-colored lens, so to speak. But if it sounds good, double check Glassdoor or Indeed reviews and skim through them. But, this is often only accessible to current students or graduates. For anyone else, which is most folks, it's a waste of time. But if you want to proceed anyway, do whatever you can to get a list of attending companies. And get there early, since the higher quality companies are more likely to call it quits early. Most job fairs I've been to, most booths tend to be independent contractor "sales" jobs. If you don't make any sales, you don't make any money. No benefits, no guaranteed income. Your risk - 100%, their risk - 0%; so they're unlikely to have a vested interest in your success. But then consider most of these jobs, the product or service is often inferior or subpar, or very overpriced for what it is. So you need to pull off a crazy song and dance, being slicker than axle grease, just to make the sale. Of course, there'd likely be quotas. Think Glengarry Glen Ross, or Wolf of Wall Street. Funny thing is, if you really were an unscrupulous viper that was slicker than axle grease, odds are you'd have probably sold yourself into a job ages ago, and a much better one at that. It's perhaps 1 step above MLMs and the likes of Vector Marketing ($50 for a peeling knife, that company). If you were any good at sales, you'd have a job with a substantial fixed guaranteed salary, benefits, a big chunk of commission on top of that, and instead of the general public, you will be engaging in and facilitating deals and contracts that are at least $100K, if not millions of dollars. Other booths, might only offer or can offer knowledge of low-wage, unskilled menial manual labor jobs. Except if that's what you're really looking for, you'd probably find a job fair event that specifically advertises this, not a general event. Occasionally, if you're lucky, you might see booths for an IT consulting company, or an insurance company trying to higher "para-professional" jobs, or other moderate to high quality jobs, but they seem to be more the exception than the rule. Still other booths, might not even offer jobs at all. I've seen booths that advertised education and training programs, often of dubious quality. I'm there looking for ways to get money, not spend it, or get trapped, or trapped further into the student debt trap. 10) Job Boards - Not all job boards are made equal. Craigslist in particular, tends to be filled with low quality jobs that often pay too little. Though, not all jobs on Craigslist are necessarily low quality. But you won't find much in the way of high quality white collar jobs. It used to be, and once had a reputation for being a source to learn about skilled labor/high quality blue collar jobs, but a lot of those companies are posting on Indeed as well. Craigslist charges only $10-$75 per job posting, which is MUCH cheaper than what Indeed or Monster would charge per posting (hundreds of dollars if not more), or what the likes of Taleo, Workday, and other ATSes will charge a company to use their SaaS service. In fact, Craigslist only started charging for job postings because the scam posting problem got seriously out of hand. So, if you see a company that only posts jobs on Craigslist, be wary. If they're on that much of a shoestring budget, then how can you expect them to pay you? Even a theoretical full-time job at the Federal minimum wage of $7.25 would still be $312.18 a week in wages and FICA tax, assuming no benefits, and not counting workers comp, unemployment insurance, and so on. Ideally, you'd see if the company is also trying source employees from elsewhere. It's far less suspect if instead of an e-mail, they direct you to the ATS provider they are renting services from. That said, Craigslist does have some decent jobs that aren't scams, but they're more likely to be blue collar in nature. Whatever you do, the best thing is if the company has an ATS, to use it directly. Don't trust the integration between Indeed and the ATS. It's much smoother than before, but sometimes it's not accurate. And if a company requires you to apply in person? Run. It's 2023, not 1983 or even 1993. If they're still chiefly relying on paper for new documents, that's a a red flag. If they only want people to apply in person, or can't afford an ATS? That's a red flag and in my mind, a pointless hoop. It's less of a red flag if they allow, but don't require someone to apply in person, but that's might be because they're targeting individuals so broke, they might not have a computer or Internet access. But even someone in that unfortunate situation, these days would be better off submitting applications online from a computer at the public library or something. And if you can, try to get an idea of how old the job postings are. If there's a litany of postings that are months or even years old, be forewarned. The company might be horribly disorganized, use the "pipeline method" (more on this under "Help Wanted Signs"), or both. Even the Federal government isn't that slow. 12) Help Wanted Signs - Might be a hit, might be a miss. Here's what I mean. If it's a small to medium business, it's probably valid. Large companies aren't gonna bother, since odds are there's always some sort of open position they're hiring for, somewhere. But a lot of those signs are vague about what's even offered, and whether it's worth your time. At an optometrist's office, it could be receptionist, it could be an optometrist technician, or it could be they need another optometrist. If it's light industrial with an attached office, what does that mean? Dock/freight worker (just move boxes 1-2 at a time), CNC operator, foreman, receptionist, accountant, supply chain analyst, or even vice president. I think you get the idea. Just look at the putty, tape, or other supports for the sign to see if it looks fresh and new. If it looks old and worn out, this is a red flag. But sometimes, a help wanted sign is NOT valid, and might be one of these red flag situations. It might even be the "pipeline method." I have also heard of some companies that will keep the sign up and posted at all times, to ensure a steady stream of applications (a "pipeline"), hoping applicants will be unaware of this. Then the company will use this as a scare tactic on existing employees to crack the whip to make them work harder, or to otherwise maintain a culture of fear. The only way around this is to actually ask someone at the company, who is likely to actually know the answer, what positions and openings they're hiring for, and what kind of timeline they're looking at. If you get evasive repeated answers like "We're accepting applications" with no elaboration at all, that's a strong hint of the pipeline method. I've seen that happen at a retail store. Oh, and by the way.. know where I've seen a Help Wanted sign? At a former Sears location that closed down YEARS ago, and it was worn down from age and lack of maintenance.
I'm 19 years old and because of covid 2 years of my life been wasted.. I'm just starting to make my resume online or go person-to-person for internship.. I've been focusing on my mental health for years and getting better but only learning of interview, jobs, traps, and good way.. I just started 2 days ago and hoping you could give me more insight.. I usually lurk and do everything on my own but that just how it is... thank you for reading. 😅
A lot times, I ran into folk working next to me, who had all kinds of college degrees, they made the same as me, though sometimes their degree gets them in the office but rare I believe. I never passed grade 9, even more amazing, they get rejected for being too qualified. A lot of times college folk got egos and entitlement from college. Not always but man I see it a lot. Real employers do not want that around, so they pick up someone less qualified, unless it is required to have a degree. I met a guy with no engineer degree, hired as an engineer, blew my mind. It amazes me how many people look down on blue collar, without us, you would not have much. Keep it up, until everyone becomes an influencer, then no one will do much and your city will be in bad shape.
I’ve used agencies before. The rule of thumb I’ve noticed with them is you get 3 interviews max before they drop you. I still get emails saying there are jobs from one, but I’ve haven’t gotten a direct email since I “blew” an interview 4 or 5 years ago.
My experience is they will try to match you to the first job they tell you about. If you don't get hired for it, they tell you they will find you something else and then you never hear from them again.
When it comes to things like this, they make money off finding you a job. So if you aren't making them money, why would they keep calling you lol? that's how I started looking at it.
Close how? Maybe the part that breaks the deal might be the part of the process where you might need support (that is, if it fall apart during the same part of the process). Do you stop hearing about the prospective employer after an interview, after a second interview, after salary discussions? Where exactly does the process fall apart?
all my jobs and best jobs I got were from cold calling and inventing my role lol worst is job postings and recruiters. Actually this entire list is probably the opposite minus contacts for the game industry. Recruiters are wonderful folks but they often know very little of the roles they need to fill.
All job advice is also will very wildly depending on your industry. Im in q niche highly competitive industry. They almost NEVER use recruiters to find people unless it is a leadership role. For entey and mid career stuff they have no need to because they'll get dozens of qualified candidates in the first week of posting depending on location.
I must disagree on cold calling. That's how I got my 3 first jobs, it really depends on your field tbh. But as a designer that worked in agencies in Europe they are pretty small "around 10-40 max", usually you end-up switch between those agencies and everybody knows everyone. It only way I found to get in was cold email a lot of agencies with my portfolio as an internship first and the others the same, without a "position open" because don't forget some smaller companies don't even have an HR is the accountant or even ceo doing it. Sending emails on linkedin is a way to get "closer" to employees and recommending you, worked for me too bypass also some candidates.
I've been shocked at how ineffective *job fairs* are. So many tables, so many people, and so incredibly few of them seemed to know what to do or what they were there for. You'd think that they'd know what they're there for, that they'd at least have some lists of positions that they're there to fill, but it's just so aimless and vague. All they do is tell you to go to their website. WTF did I bring all these resumes for?!?! And why are these people even there representing that company? Most of them aren't even HR people who do hiring, and there are people there from departments that aren't even looking to fill positions!
That’s been my recent (pre-COVID) experience too. After my second one, I realized they were a waste of time. I also tried them back the early 2000s and had similar results.
The point of a job fair is to collect information about organizations that are there and places that you may not have heard of before. It's rare that interviews are being held on the spot at job fairs unless you are a blue-collar worker so things like maintenance manufacturing, and security. If you are looking for anything other than those type of things the best thing for you to do, is pick up all the information you can.. take it all home.. sort through it and apply online.
Especially university faculty specific job fair. In my experience, i can be competitive against people from other uni, but as an "average" student of reputable uni, i need to lessen competition from peer back in the days
Stopped attending job fairs after the last rep at the last fair I attended told me they only hold onto resumes for 6 mos. So basically the fair is beneficial to them meeting arbitrary recruiting metrics, NOT for job seekers genuinely getting legit job leads.
We are hiring banners are about the closest thing to a help wanted sign at bigbox stores. It's mostly just apple orchards in my rural area actually using simple help wanted signs.
Ya know, ive seen and used alot of the methods on this and i have to say. Most all of the jobs i have goten where the results of cold calling. Its verry efective. It shows managers that your willing to go out of your way to meet them even though you ultimatly may get nothing out of it, showing a level of dedication you just dont see these days
Networking is Essential. Alot of good jobs aren't usually listed online. And if your looking online, tough luck. They're usually looking to fill a gap with experience with minimal training needed. It's the hustle culture issue. They don't wanna train you cuz it waste time. You work to work, or work to buy time. Time is the most valuable asset a living being have.
When you live in a suburb, who do you network with? Do you email? Do you walk in? Networking is such a vague statement. If you are desperate for a job, you can’t pretend you aren’t looking for a job.
My experience from dealing with recruiters in the UK. Most of them are frankly bullshitters, on the same level as car salesman, glazing salesman and estate agents. I steer well clear of them as they tell you everything what you want to hear on both sides of the fence. I discovered this at four interviews set up by four different agencies, for different companies. It’s rather awkward and embarrassing being asked about a skill that you never added to your butchered CV and frustrating when you bring something up that’s been erased by the recruiting agent. One time before my interview actually started, I was handed a red pen and a copy of my butchered CV and told to scribble what’s right and wrong with it. As a result of this, I always take my full CV with me to interviews and advise others to do the same, especially if you’re using agents who clearly know nothing about your or their industry. In addition, it’s sadly not what you know, but who.
The one thing that the author forgets about internships is that in the Pacific Northwest, you must be in a degreed program and your graduation date must be after a certain date or you will not be allowed to apply (you can apply, but your app will be rejected).
Cold calling 1/10 ??? Unsolicited application is very effective in smaller companies where you will be put through directly with the CEO or CFO and that gives way more lattitude for negtiation than with a recruiter that has very strict criteria list and you won't be competing directly with hundreds of job seekers. That's how I got my current job and honestly it beats applying through LinkedIn to big companies ten times over.
@ALifeAfterLayoff All the careers advisors back when I was at school had worked in big companies. Not really surprising, they would have no doubt needed experience in H.R. to get the job. Having now been employed by companies ranging in size from not even two dozen staff to massive multinational juggernauts with hundreds of thousands of employees, the bias they had is very noticeble. Small businesses just can't operate the same way. There is no H.R. department. A miniscule management team with a lot of other tasks to do just can't approach recruitment the same way a dedicated hiring manager would. A small obscure company just won't have the volumes of applicants to sift through, which is just as well because they won't have the time or budget. They also have the awareness that the person they hire will represent a significant proportion of their workforce, they don't want to get it wrong. A lot of bosses wouldn't want to delegate such a decision.
I had an ex-colleague refer me to a role, they flew me to a major US city for a marathon interview process of over 4 hours... only to not only not hear back, BUT they never paid my travel and food expenses! And people wonder why people go postal (BTW, not enough people are doing that... which is what you would except living in an economic system less fair than France under Louis XVI!).
As someone new to the field of software development... All the best options are out lol that's the problem. I also graduated from an online school that is quite good but didn't have an internship, and many internships want you in school which I am not. Ready to give up lol it's like experience starvation mode.
The online school should have prepared you better. Unfortunately, it's way harder to find that first job after you've graduated. That's for STEM and business majors. If you're willing to relocate, even temporarily, there are some entry level jobs that came up in my last search on indeed in the DC area. Some may have been work from home, but I didn't look too hard at them since I have a full time job.
I have no doubt you're an expert at how to find a job effectively but problem is, in my experience, all of the links you have suggested come with a price. Now there may be some that are free but I haven't had that experience. I have not had good experiences with paying for knowledge on UA-cam. Every single time I have paid for knowledge, be it how to grow plants, how to fix a car, how to sew a garment...whatever... 100% of the time the only thing that happed was my wallet got lighter.
Yeah, I never take job fairs Very seriously I just go there just to see what companies I have not heard of before. If anything, I have already applied to most of them, so I just give them my résumé again and introduce myself.
I want to speak on two of the points that you rank kind of low. In the past three months, I have had a great return on these two methods. As far as LinkedIn goes, I have had success with reaching out to the person that is attached to the job posting and giving them my résumé on top of applying for that particular role. I've had interviews and second interviews from doing it that way. And I have had a lot of success from just going straight to the job website and applying to the job posting. I think it is more simpler and gets your foot in the door faster that way. Job boards just don't cut it anymore. Considering the way the job market is right now. I think at the end of the day you just have to find the best method that works for you.
15:23 "you will have a leg up... and more importantly, you're going to have a foot in the door". Sounds like very unstable position. Be sure you don't have your hands full at this moment.
I just have to say the whole "Foot in the door" idea is a fallacy especially in the trades and tech/ STEM industry. I've had jobs were I thought I had my foot in the door to get the position I wanted over a months even years. Only to find out that someone else got hired for it that was no where near qualified for the opening. And yes, I interviewed for those positions when they became available.
Any chance you would be able to give advice on how far out you should apply to jobs? I will be leaving the military at the end of April and I’m wondering if applying to jobs now would be too soon? Thanks!
That last one, im not sure of. The recruiter reaching out to me, I think they have only focused on maybe one thing out of the whole JD that I fit. When I look at the JD when they reach out to me, i ask them if they sure that im a fit and and compare my resume. At any rate, i get ghosted after initial talks...
Job fairs that are company specific are totally worth going to though. Say "Company XYZ" is hosting a job fair at their head office. Fantastic way to get a job quickly & even accelerated into the interview process same day! Happened to myself and some others in the company got hired the same way. Some got hired via job boards but it was much slower, ie 2 months.
interesting list, agreed from my own search. i applied to like 500 jobs last time and they never went anywhere. all of the jobs i actually got were when the recruiter came to me
I hear a lot about the LinkedIn SSI (Social Selling Index). Apparently it has an impact on how high you show up when others are searching for people with specific capabilities. Does this also apply to recruiters using the LinkedIn Recruiter tools?
I have not found help wanted signs to be all that effective. Especially if they have been up for over a year, sun faded or permanently decaled on the side of a truck.
I've never had an external recruiter do anything but waste my time. I don't even bother with them anymore. All of the jobs I've found over the last 25 years have been direct apply (through a job board or on the company website) or through a referral.
You can still used Word, but many employer websites will automatically convert the text to a PDF file, some older applications websites will convert it to a text file, but the applicant has to then go back and correct the formatting/line spacing. It's not worth taking the chance that the website shows a hiring manager the correct format, but shows the applicant messed up formatting in plain text.
Thank you! I think this is your most valuable UA-cam video i have seen. I hope my real-world experience will add value to viewers of your video. Going from start of my professional career to the present. I think most of these on my list support your ratings, but there are the outliers. You didn’t mention pivoting within company after lay-off, but I expect you assumed people would have already explored that. Bottom line is Preparation while you still have a job vs Perspiration if laid-off. I believe all these moves were financially better, but not sure about 1 and 3 as they were so long ago, and I didn’t want to research.
1. PREVIOUS BOSS. Job after I was laid off due to merger…from staying in contact with previous boss. 2. RESUME IN RESPONSE TO AD. One random resume in response to a job listing by a company in my industry after I had been at previous job for one year and knew it was not a great fit. (Yes. I only sent out one resume and got a better job.) 3. CONTRACT TO PERMANENT. After that job laid-off, I did a contract to permanent job which went permanent. 4. PREVIOUS BOSS AND COWORKER. Had kept in contact with a previous boss plus previous coworker (his boss) especially while previous job was contract. They had an open position with better pay, but my then current position had significantly higher annual raises (~10% vs ~4% historically) so I decided to move based on passion for the type of work rather than pay and changed companies. 5. PIVOT WITHIN COMPANY. HELP EVERYONE YOU CAN. Pivoted within company after a merger when I saw my position would be neither secure nor fun anymore. Had developed strong contacts within that future department. Help everyone you can (within reason). 6. RESPONSE TO INTERNAL RECRUITER. Saw lay-offs on the horizon even though we were told our department would not be hit and had been (randomly?) contacted by an internal recruiter even though my LinkedIn wasn't great. Our department was hit, but I already kept new company “warm”. LOL! I did accept a bit lower pay than I would have if still employed but felt in my gut that it really was their bottom line plus it was still financially better for me over previous job (which I had lost). 7. PREVIOUS COWORKERS. Contract job for a previous employer due to staying in touch with ex-coworkers plus the company and department knowing my work. 8. PREVIOUS BOSS. Personal reference by my contract boss when he realized they wouldn’t have funds to hire me permanent past the current crisis when he was approached by a manager at a different company to fill an open position they had (wanting him) , plus staying in contact with a LinkedIn ex-colleague and knowing an ex-worker there in order to get the real scoop. 9. RETAINING JOB DUE TO VISIBILITY. Retained job through merger. Work done by me, but mostly by my ex-boss, to keep my contributions visible during merger resulting in my being retained even with an ~75% loss of employees due to lay-offs due to merger, but primarily loss due to drop in oilfield market.
hello I have a question about outbound sourcing. I had a recruiter on linkedin come to me a few months ago and saw that I was a good candidate, she asked if I could work w-2 and stuff but the problem is that she asked for my social security number, should I have given it to her? Is that a normal thing to do?
Employer: "You want a job HERE?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" PhD student: "This is McDonald's. It's an entry-level job!" Employer: "Oh honey, no, no, no. With this economy, you need fifteen years of experience!"
I’ve been looking for a career for months. I’m kind of discouraged at this point. I am becoming so stressed and cannot afford to keep paying for resume writers, I’m not sure what to do.
First I’ve been laid off 3 times in the last 6 years so I totally understand the struggle. What has worked for me is to develop a target list of companies and then to set up job alerts for those companies. If I see a role I like,I check my network for a connection. Referrals go a long way. I also set up job alerts from LinkedIn and Glassdoor. All jobs are not on the 3rd party sites. If you get a phone screen, don’t underestimate the impact that recruiter can have on your ability to move forward. Always send a Thank you note for ever person you speak to in the process.
This is all kind of obvious. If we all had contacts who were hiring managers then we would call them. I'm looking for advice as a career switcher who doesn't know anyone
You left off Nepotism which I will give an 11 out of 10.
Right lol
I know this comment is a year old, but my dad’s work has a nepotism policy 😭
100/10
Nepotism seems like the only way to get jobs these days.
@DewiSant-o3y Yeah bs if you get hired on “merit” guess who gets raises bosses buddies or you. Company loyalty is was for boomers. They slam the door in your face if you get sick but expect relentless loyalty.
Knowing the right people is honestly the only thing that matters when looking for a job.
TRUTH
Agreed 👍🏽
Thank you! All the rest of what he said was irrelevant.
@@DanYeLL2003 I actually might amend my original statement: Knowing the right people *who really like you and will vouch for you* is honestly the only thing that matters when looking for a job.
Most people don't know "the right people".
No matter where I see a job opening posted, i always go directly to the companies web site or careers site and apply that way. If i can skip the third party screeners or recruiters, I do.
still good to apply through them to allow the recruiters to have your cv though
@@1queijocas They already do.
Good advice. Ty.
Yeah but some of these places don't even have the same posting when you go to their site
Same; I was told the other reason to do this is that recruiters know your resume came in through the company website, which can mean you already have an interest in the company and you didn't just happen to see them on a job board and applied to them with a bunch of other companies.
Back in the day you could just walk in and fill out an application and, more than likely, speak with the hiring manager as you were filling it out. They got to speak with you in person and get a good idea of what you were like. I got my first real job when I walked in and asked if they were hiring. The receptionist said no, but that I could fill out an application. The next day the owner called me and asked if I could come in and work that night. (paid) When I finished, he asked me to come back on Friday-on Friday he said "same time next week?" I never interviewed and he never said I was hired. An interview wasn't needed as he saw how I worked, how I was with the clients and other workers. He hired everyone that way-he was a great boss and I learned so much from him.
This isn’t a thing anymore unless you’re seeking low-skill work… I tried it several times when I graduated college and with no luck
I got my first job by walking into a big box store and applying in person. I interviewed immediately and was hired on the spot. With that said, that was the last time I was ever able to do that. I vividly remember the last time I even thought to try I walked into a business I saw online was hiring with a dress shirt and asked to apply, the receptionist told me there was no in person way to apply, it's all online. I had been hearing versions of that for awhile up to that point, so that's when I decided to stop trying that method. To this day I'm pretty sure (in my opinion) that absolutely no company over say four employees does in person applications and then same day interviews anymore. It's all online, a lot is outsourced, and to me the length of time it takes to apply and eventually get hired at companies has been getting longer and longer and longer. Getting a job _is_ basically a job nowadays
I got my first job as a high school student at a grocery store because the co-manager there was a good friend of my mom's and kept moving my application to the top of the pile. I feel like even then, in 1996, I still had to know the right people.
You are dating yourself that doesn't really happen anymore.
@@eq2092 and?? Someone dates themselves and snowflakes like you feel better by calling them out?
There is way, way, way too much BS in getting white collar jobs. I learned the hard way with my degree in application programing and statistics. Retrained and got my blue collar union job where the interview lasted like five minutes and I was told to report for training in two weeks. Make 135 K the last year and retired with a good pension while so many of my friends jumped from job to job to job to job and never came close to saving the kind of my money needed for a decent retirement. Some people make it alright in the corporate world but a solid majority just get screwed.
yeah but how's a blue collar worker supposed to work from home? 🤔
Seriously thinking of just going for a degree in welding for this reason. I’m 24 and I’m already tired of this shit.
It's like every interview is to justify your existence as a human being. Oh wait, you're not a human being, you are a resource.
@@GladeSwope I think he means "certificate".
@ Wise Man: I couldn't agree more! 💯
If I may ask, what line of work were you in? Welding? Refrigeration? Elevator repair?
I'm career changing from a trucker to information security. And the job market COULD NOT be more different. As a trucker I could make a couple phone calls and someone would send me a plane ticket within a few days. Now I have so much networking and job boards and conventions and linkedin groups... let's just say I'm keeping my CDL current
Yes, can confirm "corporate culture" is often disingenuous, petty and toxic....thinking of going into trades after 15 years in professional aka office jobs
14:31 A big caveat for the 2020s: if they have a Help Wanted sign, they are probably a bad employer with bad pay and poor conditions, all while complaining that “nobody wants to work”
Yep. I've never seen a big MegaCorp post a cardboard or paper "Help Wanted" sign outside. It's always small retail stores or restaurants, or other small businesses that often pay below $20/hr. Often times, it's a McJob you can't even afford to take even if you wanted to. These "McJobs" are often publicly facing and come with inconsistent hours week to week, that may not even be full-time. Jobs where the income is enough to live on, and include benefits, are rarely advertised this way.
This isn't a phenomenon exclusive to the 20s, either. I think this has been true for the last 15, 20 years or so, during the rise of the online, web-based job application system.
"Help Wanted" can be a lie and/or a permanent fixture too. The employer might use the pipeline method, which is common in fast food and retail, but seems rare everywhere else. Under the pipeline method, they are always willing to accept new application packages. That's where they maintain a database, or a "pipeline" of applicants. So if one was to quit, they could hire a replacement within a week, and get most training completed within another week.
One time, I saw a "Help Wanted" sign worn down from age, at an old Sears location that hasn't been in operation for years. I'm pretty sure they are NOT hiring for anything at all.
@@benc6503 I often see that with warehouse and industrial jobs.
Typically needs 3-5 years of experience.
Cold calling works for small companies that don’t have an official HR person and you contact the right person. I got a job by opening up the phone book and started calling companies that were closest to me. I found a job that was only three miles away. My friend has gotten a couple jobs by walking in the front door of businesses and asking them if they need a highly experienced technician.
Totally agree about job fairs and industry events generally not being great for getting a job, but I do think they can be worthwhile for networking with other job-seekers in a similar area. They can also be a good way to practice talking about yourself and the field you are trying to break into. So even if it is kind of a crapshoot in terms of landing an offer, they aren't necessarily worthless, especially when you are just starting out. Don't write them off entirely, just don't overinvest in attending them, and go in with the right expectations / mindset.
Yes! You are so right! It's great practice. Learn to get to your point, actually bring yourself up in conversation, learn to be ignored gracefully because not everyone is gonna care about you lol and you see who you are competing with. Be observant at the very least and you will go home with ideas on making yourself even better.
I found a job after reading an article about a company receiving a government contact. I sent a resume and cover letter to that company asking if they needed help. They did, and I was hired soon after. Point is, read the trades to see where business is going, like paying attention to the stock market. Then send a “fishing letter.” You can send a resume and cover letter to any company you like asking if they need help. You don’t have to wait for them to advertise. You can send an email. But sending an envelope is still a great way to stand out.
Great idea
I am a highly successful healthcare professional. I have found cold calling and personal, not professional, networking to be the two most effective ways to find meaningful, lucrative, long term employment. If you are an ultrasound technician, physician, or dental hygienist… you will miss out on the best job opportunities if you don’t start with these two methods. I think your channel and advice are excellent but you way underrated these methods.
I got a job through cold calling. I sent an email and resume to someone I met at a meeting, and he emailed me to talk on the day my job was eliminated. I started there five weeks later. And the job I have now I got through my boss emailing me asking if I wanted to discuss opportunities. It came at a time when I really needed a job.
Did you have to do any deeds?
Sir, you are the real deal. You put the pants on one leg at a time, your not here selling used cars
(a/k/a BS) but you are authentic and we appreciate you so much! Thank you for sharing your resources.
My pleasure!
... you're not...
I've been looking for work for a long time (over three months) and haven't even had a call back or interview. This is very helpful. Wish me luck. Thank you.
How are you doing now?
All the best. I hope you're at a better place.
Same lol
Right on point. Your ratings perfectly match my own experiences in job search. Especially the job fairs. I did actually get a job once by cold calling, but it was a perfect random coincidence.
That's how I got my current role, outbound sourcing. The internal recruiter found me and it was the easiest interview process I've ever been through. Keep your LinkedIn's up to date job seekers!
And don’t forget to set yourself as “open to work” for recruiters
@@thomass98 nah trust me, when you got desired skills they don't care whether you're open or not, they kick down your IM's
Kind of like how single women wear a wedding band thinking they won't get hit on? Yeah, that doesn't matter either 😹😹😹
@@PaperRaines recruiters dont headhunt all the time for outbound sourcing, in my country you need to set yourself as Open To Work to get proper job opportunities.
@@thomass98 okay, that's good to know
@Eduardo - I'm glad that worked out for you. Have you had a problem with some recruiters trying to interest you in jobs that aren't relevant to your background, as if they didn't even read your profile? I've had that problem before.
The worst thing a job can do is drain your energy so you don't have the will to look for new jobs.
I spent months trying to find work.
As soon as I started picking up the phone and cold calling, I landed a job within days.
Granted - this is the electrical industry, where employers often think they don't need people until an exceptional candidate comes their way, and perhaps more importantly, they tend to have little to no online presence. Thus directly seeking them out by any means possible can be an effective strategy, particularly for the smaller companies.
I have been going through a job search for several months and I would say your evaluation is pretty close to what I am seeing. Good points!
I love your experience on the corporate side. In international education, online job fairs during the hiring season are the best! I can interact with schools and schedule interviews that convert into offers (or interview online during the event). It gives much more bang for my buck than any other activity. For cold calling, I've emailed schools that I'm interested in directly if they don't have jobs listed on their website. I've gotten decent responses, but only when I do this during the main hiring season. Anyway, it's very interesting how every industry is different. Thanks for the information you're sharing!
I closed my LinkedIn account because I realized I wasn't getting any benefit out of it. I was getting hit up on the regular from headhunters wanting to put me in jobs that I wasn't a good fit for. Typically they were newbies with no technical background who didn't know anything about the role they were hiring for. I got tired of explaining to them that not all Engineers are the same.
Closing your LI is career suicide. The good thing is you can always reopen.
@@LC-rl7cd haven't had it for 3-years and I still have a career. 😂🤣
I feel you, same industry, same nonsense when dealing with recruiters that are straight out of uni with a History or Arts degree and know jack about what a Chartered Engineer is. LinkedIn, only good for stalking who’s interviewing you haha.
@@Unknown_Artist2.7182 Hi~~ I'm 19 and only learning of how to get job now.. I have motorcycle.. should I drive and find a job? or do it online?
@@Unknown_Artist2.7182 so true
The problem with your top 3 and everything else is access to resources. We’d all love to be part of a good boy network or have. A nice employee referral but the reality is almost everyone doesn’t. We are able to go on job postings and career fairs because they are accessible. But of course bring managers don’t value that unless it’s one of those rare instances
@eriks8382 exactly... we all know that it's best if a recruiter approaches you and hires you 😅 as someone who was just laid off, i need a job fast, not spend weeks, maybe even months into networking and discoverability
When I was younger, I found that temping was a great way to get into companies where I didn't have contacts. The pay was minimal, but if you're able to show managers the quality of your work, most of them will make you a full-time offer in a relatively short amount of time. Plus, it gives you the chance find out if the company is a place you would even want to work at long-term.
Making friends with 2-3 quality temp agencies in your area, being available when they contact you for assignments, and doing outstanding work for the companies you are assigned to can really help you between FT jobs, if you do it right.
I'm much more wary of unpaid internships. There's way too many chances for employer exploitation. If you work, you should get paid, period.
This is especially true, when there are temp agency rules about us not agreeing to work for the company without notifying the agency.
This is especially ideal for construction work, and it is probably true for white collar, but I have no experience with that.
In my studies, I did an "internship" with a company foe learning purposes and they decided to keep me on as full time employed! I love what I do but I also know this is the stepping stone for a more higher competitive job later on. Still, this worked to my advantage and been working at my company for a little over a year. This guy gives great advice so listen to him!
The most certain way to have a job after studies is to have that job already during your studies.
One of my friends did an internship as well. He was supposed to be contracted for 6 months doing cybersecurity. He ended up staying with them for 3 years and he’s still there today! Another testament to what is being said here!
Before applying to any job I always pass by the place and look at the employee parking lot,if it's full of broken down raggedy cars I don't even bother.just one or two isn't a big deal as some people are just misers, but if 90%of the employees vehicles are 20 years old it's a pretty good indicator of what to expect.
Bring back technical networking events! We used to have those in California to meet and greet and network that died with the pandemic.
Whew! These are some good pointers. And so clearly explain. I am almost done with my BS this year and Im so happy I ran into your channel✍️👍
Every job I've had has been through employee referrals (small town). Now I'm struggling to find a job in a new state without that strong network to carry me over. It's daunting to have to restart my professional network because I know how effective that strategy is.
Excellent video. I started working with outside recruiters after a layoff in 1993. It opened a new world to me. I started a career as a contractor after that as I found I had excellent references from a few major companies. I bounced around the same companies for over 20 years making an excellent income and taking a few weeks ( or months) off between contracts. This works well if: you are truly reliable and build great references, work in or near a big city, work in IT. I made enough to buy my own health insurance and fund my individual retirement account. The math works if your job type is in demand even in down times. IT departments seem to always be hiring somewhere. Good luck to everyone out there. The US is the land of opportunity even in down times. PS. I ADVISE working with established well known recruiters as there are many small unreliable ones you should avoid.
I just recently got my dream internship from a LinkedIn job posting. While not necessarily the best strategy, with time and effort it worked out for me. I would also love to hear more details about how to set yourself up to be sourced outbound!
Did it turn into a paid position, or did you make any contacts that did lead to something more and better?
This legit is the best UA-cam channel for job searches and related Topics
Thank you!
Nice to see the marvelous stories of people here with hiring experiences in the past. Do I have one? No lmao. I'm 18, in college, desperately looking for a job and been have for months. I've applied to all sorts of department stores, all fast food near me. Walmart, Publix, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's, Twistee Treat, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, AutoZone Auto Parts, Tj Maxx, Ross, Bells, BJ's, Costco. Have I got a single interview? Hahaha, no.
I went to every store individually wasting dozens of miles of gas asking for a hiring manager. The ones that came out, told me they weren't hiring most of the time, the rest told me they'll see the application. Haha not a single interview, response, anything. I check my emails daily, I check all the application accounts for all places I've applied to and they are all under review. I'm about to be homeless soon if I don't get hired. My college won't hire either, I'm a very social likeable person, but no.
Stay strong brother, I noticed that even getting "entry level" work right now is way more difficult than even just a few years ago. Keep throwing your resumes out there, if you have any manufacturing facilities nearby try those; they're always looking for warm bodies. The work is tedious and soul crushing, but just listen to some podcasts and pay your bills until you get something better. You got this!
Day labor might be a good fill in
hope you've found a job lil bro
Sometimes there are job boards posted on campus for students. Federally financed work-study programs will interview students to fill positions at the school if qualified. Makes it easy to schedule work between classes.
A lot of those big businesses get a lot of applicants, they are so well known. At the same time, being big companies that have huge numbers of employees, they tend to have quite rigid recruitment processes so unless they have specifically advertised a role, they will reject any application. If you see an opening, by all means go for it, but it is worth considering other types of employers. For many smaller businesses, advertising vacancies is much more expensive and time-consuming, and they are more likely to consider speculative applications. Also, businesses that aren't household names, even some quite big ones, can find it hard to recruit staff because, outside of their industry, nobody has ever heard of them. If you look for jobs in obscure places, there will be less competition.
I cold called my current job. There were only about 100 other people with my credentials in the entire state (IL) and their previous person had just retired and they literally couldn't find anyone. I had just quit my job and cold called where I'm at now. It's been 4+ years and they've given me two $10 raises. Also: I cold called the licensing authority to get my credentials transferred from another state. I had gotten credentialed back when my old state (CA) didn't have reciprocity agreements and so my previous jobs in IL had zero to do with my credentials.
My last job I emailed them if they were hiring. I got the interview next week. The following week I got the job.
Congrats! if only this were more common occurrence.
@@onlyMynt Thanks. Even though I no longer work for them. Emailing if there hiring is a way to try out for a job.
I'm gonna comment on a few of these (job fairs, job boards, and help wanted signs), though I largely concur with the video. While it's nice to mention internships, that means nothing to most of us, who likely attended college ages ago, if we went at all.
Wish I saw a mention of the "pipeline method." Some companies, especially fast food and retail, will use the "pipeline method." Unfortunately, this is not exclusive to fast food or retail. It's also much more common for unskilled, low-wage labor, though not every company that offers such jobs uses this method since it can result in a LOT of stale applications. The pipeline method is the phenomenon where they will always accept new applications, regardless of whether there's openings. This is to maintain a "pool" of available applicants so they don't have to wait for applications to come in. It works best either for jobs that don't need to be filled quickly, might not even be filled at all, or jobs with few requirements other than just being a warm body, basically. Leaving someone your resume, or willingly submitting a general application and not any particular opening, something some companies support, is volunteering yourself for the pipeline method. It's terrible if you "need a new job yesterday" and not a good use of your time, since it's unlikely to result in anything.
3) Job Fairs - Complete waste of time, and even a bit scammy.
Exception - unless it's possibly a "mass hiring event" for typically low-wage, physically demanding, unskilled work that may not even pay enough to be worthwhile.
Another (sort of) exception - If it's a university job fair at your university, it may be worthwhile to visit, but not for the reasons you might think. A freshman or sophomore should visit to get an idea of the types of jobs are nearby, the requirements for those jobs, and what you'd be expected to do. The representatives at each booth can also give you an idea or vibe of the company, though be aware whatever the internal recruiter says, might be presented through a rose-colored lens, so to speak. But if it sounds good, double check Glassdoor or Indeed reviews and skim through them. But, this is often only accessible to current students or graduates.
For anyone else, which is most folks, it's a waste of time. But if you want to proceed anyway, do whatever you can to get a list of attending companies. And get there early, since the higher quality companies are more likely to call it quits early.
Most job fairs I've been to, most booths tend to be independent contractor "sales" jobs. If you don't make any sales, you don't make any money. No benefits, no guaranteed income. Your risk - 100%, their risk - 0%; so they're unlikely to have a vested interest in your success. But then consider most of these jobs, the product or service is often inferior or subpar, or very overpriced for what it is. So you need to pull off a crazy song and dance, being slicker than axle grease, just to make the sale. Of course, there'd likely be quotas. Think Glengarry Glen Ross, or Wolf of Wall Street. Funny thing is, if you really were an unscrupulous viper that was slicker than axle grease, odds are you'd have probably sold yourself into a job ages ago, and a much better one at that. It's perhaps 1 step above MLMs and the likes of Vector Marketing ($50 for a peeling knife, that company). If you were any good at sales, you'd have a job with a substantial fixed guaranteed salary, benefits, a big chunk of commission on top of that, and instead of the general public, you will be engaging in and facilitating deals and contracts that are at least $100K, if not millions of dollars.
Other booths, might only offer or can offer knowledge of low-wage, unskilled menial manual labor jobs. Except if that's what you're really looking for, you'd probably find a job fair event that specifically advertises this, not a general event.
Occasionally, if you're lucky, you might see booths for an IT consulting company, or an insurance company trying to higher "para-professional" jobs, or other moderate to high quality jobs, but they seem to be more the exception than the rule.
Still other booths, might not even offer jobs at all. I've seen booths that advertised education and training programs, often of dubious quality. I'm there looking for ways to get money, not spend it, or get trapped, or trapped further into the student debt trap.
10) Job Boards -
Not all job boards are made equal. Craigslist in particular, tends to be filled with low quality jobs that often pay too little. Though, not all jobs on Craigslist are necessarily low quality. But you won't find much in the way of high quality white collar jobs. It used to be, and once had a reputation for being a source to learn about skilled labor/high quality blue collar jobs, but a lot of those companies are posting on Indeed as well.
Craigslist charges only $10-$75 per job posting, which is MUCH cheaper than what Indeed or Monster would charge per posting (hundreds of dollars if not more), or what the likes of Taleo, Workday, and other ATSes will charge a company to use their SaaS service. In fact, Craigslist only started charging for job postings because the scam posting problem got seriously out of hand.
So, if you see a company that only posts jobs on Craigslist, be wary. If they're on that much of a shoestring budget, then how can you expect them to pay you? Even a theoretical full-time job at the Federal minimum wage of $7.25 would still be $312.18 a week in wages and FICA tax, assuming no benefits, and not counting workers comp, unemployment insurance, and so on. Ideally, you'd see if the company is also trying source employees from elsewhere. It's far less suspect if instead of an e-mail, they direct you to the ATS provider they are renting services from. That said, Craigslist does have some decent jobs that aren't scams, but they're more likely to be blue collar in nature.
Whatever you do, the best thing is if the company has an ATS, to use it directly. Don't trust the integration between Indeed and the ATS. It's much smoother than before, but sometimes it's not accurate.
And if a company requires you to apply in person? Run. It's 2023, not 1983 or even 1993. If they're still chiefly relying on paper for new documents, that's a a red flag. If they only want people to apply in person, or can't afford an ATS? That's a red flag and in my mind, a pointless hoop. It's less of a red flag if they allow, but don't require someone to apply in person, but that's might be because they're targeting individuals so broke, they might not have a computer or Internet access. But even someone in that unfortunate situation, these days would be better off submitting applications online from a computer at the public library or something.
And if you can, try to get an idea of how old the job postings are. If there's a litany of postings that are months or even years old, be forewarned. The company might be horribly disorganized, use the "pipeline method" (more on this under "Help Wanted Signs"), or both. Even the Federal government isn't that slow.
12) Help Wanted Signs - Might be a hit, might be a miss. Here's what I mean.
If it's a small to medium business, it's probably valid. Large companies aren't gonna bother, since odds are there's always some sort of open position they're hiring for, somewhere.
But a lot of those signs are vague about what's even offered, and whether it's worth your time. At an optometrist's office, it could be receptionist, it could be an optometrist technician, or it could be they need another optometrist. If it's light industrial with an attached office, what does that mean? Dock/freight worker (just move boxes 1-2 at a time), CNC operator, foreman, receptionist, accountant, supply chain analyst, or even vice president. I think you get the idea. Just look at the putty, tape, or other supports for the sign to see if it looks fresh and new. If it looks old and worn out, this is a red flag.
But sometimes, a help wanted sign is NOT valid, and might be one of these red flag situations. It might even be the "pipeline method."
I have also heard of some companies that will keep the sign up and posted at all times, to ensure a steady stream of applications (a "pipeline"), hoping applicants will be unaware of this. Then the company will use this as a scare tactic on existing employees to crack the whip to make them work harder, or to otherwise maintain a culture of fear.
The only way around this is to actually ask someone at the company, who is likely to actually know the answer, what positions and openings they're hiring for, and what kind of timeline they're looking at. If you get evasive repeated answers like "We're accepting applications" with no elaboration at all, that's a strong hint of the pipeline method. I've seen that happen at a retail store.
Oh, and by the way.. know where I've seen a Help Wanted sign? At a former Sears location that closed down YEARS ago, and it was worn down from age and lack of maintenance.
I'm 19 years old and because of covid 2 years of my life been wasted..
I'm just starting to make my resume online or go person-to-person for internship..
I've been focusing on my mental health for years and getting better but only learning of interview, jobs, traps, and good way.. I just started 2 days ago and hoping you could give me more insight..
I usually lurk and do everything on my own but that just how it is... thank you for reading. 😅
A lot times, I ran into folk working next to me, who had all kinds of college degrees, they made the same as me, though sometimes their degree gets them in the office but rare I believe. I never passed grade 9, even more amazing, they get rejected for being too qualified. A lot of times college folk got egos and entitlement from college. Not always but man I see it a lot. Real employers do not want that around, so they pick up someone less qualified, unless it is required to have a degree. I met a guy with no engineer degree, hired as an engineer, blew my mind.
It amazes me how many people look down on blue collar, without us, you would not have much. Keep it up, until everyone becomes an influencer, then no one will do much and your city will be in bad shape.
I’ve used agencies before. The rule of thumb I’ve noticed with them is you get 3 interviews max before they drop you. I still get emails saying there are jobs from one, but I’ve haven’t gotten a direct email since I “blew” an interview 4 or 5 years ago.
My experience is they will try to match you to the first job they tell you about. If you don't get hired for it, they tell you they will find you something else and then you never hear from them again.
When it comes to things like this, they make money off finding you a job. So if you aren't making them money, why would they keep calling you lol? that's how I started looking at it.
@@shelovezmusic I feel like they should call you if they have jobs like they say. They tell you one thing and do the opposite aka lying.
i can't wait to be dragged for my terrible strategy. Been looking for a job for 6 months and got close so many times.
Close how? Maybe the part that breaks the deal might be the part of the process where you might need support (that is, if it fall apart during the same part of the process). Do you stop hearing about the prospective employer after an interview, after a second interview, after salary discussions? Where exactly does the process fall apart?
all my jobs and best jobs I got were from cold calling and inventing my role lol worst is job postings and recruiters. Actually this entire list is probably the opposite minus contacts for the game industry. Recruiters are wonderful folks but they often know very little of the roles they need to fill.
All job advice is also will very wildly depending on your industry. Im in q niche highly competitive industry. They almost NEVER use recruiters to find people unless it is a leadership role. For entey and mid career stuff they have no need to because they'll get dozens of qualified candidates in the first week of posting depending on location.
I must disagree on cold calling. That's how I got my 3 first jobs, it really depends on your field tbh. But as a designer that worked in agencies in Europe they are pretty small "around 10-40 max", usually you end-up switch between those agencies and everybody knows everyone.
It only way I found to get in was cold email a lot of agencies with my portfolio as an internship first and the others the same, without a "position open" because don't forget some smaller companies don't even have an HR is the accountant or even ceo doing it. Sending emails on linkedin is a way to get "closer" to employees and recommending you, worked for me too bypass also some candidates.
I've been shocked at how ineffective *job fairs* are. So many tables, so many people, and so incredibly few of them seemed to know what to do or what they were there for. You'd think that they'd know what they're there for, that they'd at least have some lists of positions that they're there to fill, but it's just so aimless and vague.
All they do is tell you to go to their website. WTF did I bring all these resumes for?!?!
And why are these people even there representing that company? Most of them aren't even HR people who do hiring, and there are people there from departments that aren't even looking to fill positions!
That’s been my recent (pre-COVID) experience too. After my second one, I realized they were a waste of time. I also tried them back the early 2000s and had similar results.
The point of a job fair is to collect information about organizations that are there and places that you may not have heard of before. It's rare that interviews are being held on the spot at job fairs unless you are a blue-collar worker so things like maintenance manufacturing, and security. If you are looking for anything other than those type of things the best thing for you to do, is pick up all the information you can.. take it all home.. sort through it and apply online.
We see them as a jolly for the day. You’re right, they are pretty much pointless.
Especially university faculty specific job fair. In my experience, i can be competitive against people from other uni, but as an "average" student of reputable uni, i need to lessen competition from peer back in the days
Stopped attending job fairs after the last rep at the last fair I attended told me they only hold onto resumes for 6 mos. So basically the fair is beneficial to them meeting arbitrary recruiting metrics, NOT for job seekers genuinely getting legit job leads.
We are hiring banners are about the closest thing to a help wanted sign at bigbox stores. It's mostly just apple orchards in my rural area actually using simple help wanted signs.
Ya know, ive seen and used alot of the methods on this and i have to say. Most all of the jobs i have goten where the results of cold calling. Its verry efective. It shows managers that your willing to go out of your way to meet them even though you ultimatly may get nothing out of it, showing a level of dedication you just dont see these days
Hello,
Having tried almost all of the presented variants for finding a job, I agree with the ratings and find this very helpfull.
Thank you.
The only things I've gotten from job fairs are lots of handouts, and opportunities for selling steaks and school bus driver positions.
😂😂
Networking is Essential. Alot of good jobs aren't usually listed online. And if your looking online, tough luck. They're usually looking to fill a gap with experience with minimal training needed.
It's the hustle culture issue. They don't wanna train you cuz it waste time.
You work to work, or work to buy time. Time is the most valuable asset a living being have.
When you live in a suburb, who do you network with? Do you email? Do you walk in? Networking is such a vague statement. If you are desperate for a job, you can’t pretend you aren’t looking for a job.
@@TB-pu9kq linkin good for networking
My experience from dealing with recruiters in the UK. Most of them are frankly bullshitters, on the same level as car salesman, glazing salesman and estate agents. I steer well clear of them as they tell you everything what you want to hear on both sides of the fence. I discovered this at four interviews set up by four different agencies, for different companies. It’s rather awkward and embarrassing being asked about a skill that you never added to your butchered CV and frustrating when you bring something up that’s been erased by the recruiting agent. One time before my interview actually started, I was handed a red pen and a copy of my butchered CV and told to scribble what’s right and wrong with it. As a result of this, I always take my full CV with me to interviews and advise others to do the same, especially if you’re using agents who clearly know nothing about your or their industry.
In addition, it’s sadly not what you know, but who.
Using that kind of agencies makes the employer look scummy too.
What is a "glazing salesman?"
In the 1970's and 1980's, i did a lot of cold call calling and was very sucessful.
The one thing that the author forgets about internships is that in the Pacific Northwest, you must be in a degreed program and your graduation date must be after a certain date or you will not be allowed to apply (you can apply, but your app will be rejected).
Cold calling 1/10 ??? Unsolicited application is very effective in smaller companies where you will be put through directly with the CEO or CFO and that gives way more lattitude for negtiation than with a recruiter that has very strict criteria list and you won't be competing directly with hundreds of job seekers. That's how I got my current job and honestly it beats applying through LinkedIn to big companies ten times over.
It would have to be a very small company to get through to a CEO with an unsolicited application.
@ALifeAfterLayoff All the careers advisors back when I was at school had worked in big companies. Not really surprising, they would have no doubt needed experience in H.R. to get the job. Having now been employed by companies ranging in size from not even two dozen staff to massive multinational juggernauts with hundreds of thousands of employees, the bias they had is very noticeble. Small businesses just can't operate the same way. There is no H.R. department. A miniscule management team with a lot of other tasks to do just can't approach recruitment the same way a dedicated hiring manager would. A small obscure company just won't have the volumes of applicants to sift through, which is just as well because they won't have the time or budget. They also have the awareness that the person they hire will represent a significant proportion of their workforce, they don't want to get it wrong. A lot of bosses wouldn't want to delegate such a decision.
Cold calling worked for me in the blue collar field 🥳
Excellent prioritized, actionable tips. Video on enhancing discoverability?
It is mentioned in the video
So helpful! Thank you so much for giving clarity to job search that can be painful pretty often 🥵
I had an ex-colleague refer me to a role, they flew me to a major US city for a marathon interview process of over 4 hours... only to not only not hear back, BUT they never paid my travel and food expenses! And people wonder why people go postal (BTW, not enough people are doing that... which is what you would except living in an economic system less fair than France under Louis XVI!).
That's very tragic.. I'm 19 and don't know how to look for job.. should I challenge myself?
Good information
I would change the simple rating format to 3 ratings. Something like; Entry, Mid-tier and Executive.
How can you identify the specs on an ATS to configure your resume appropriately from an Internet job search?
Really good video I subscribed to your channel right away. I like that way you explain it very clear and right to the point . congratulations
Great video, thanks for your feedback and perspective
As someone new to the field of software development... All the best options are out lol that's the problem. I also graduated from an online school that is quite good but didn't have an internship, and many internships want you in school which I am not. Ready to give up lol it's like experience starvation mode.
The online school should have prepared you better. Unfortunately, it's way harder to find that first job after you've graduated. That's for STEM and business majors.
If you're willing to relocate, even temporarily, there are some entry level jobs that came up in my last search on indeed in the DC area. Some may have been work from home, but I didn't look too hard at them since I have a full time job.
I got a job by making a post on a facebook group that’s mostly for job offers and got invited to a job interview that hadn’t been posted yet
I have no doubt you're an expert at how to find a job effectively but problem is, in my experience, all of the links you have suggested come with a price. Now there may be some that are free but I haven't had that experience. I have not had good experiences with paying for knowledge on UA-cam. Every single time I have paid for knowledge, be it how to grow plants, how to fix a car, how to sew a garment...whatever... 100% of the time the only thing that happed was my wallet got lighter.
I use job fairs to collect information about the companies. Also it helps if you meet the recruiter that will interview you beforehand.
Yeah, I never take job fairs Very seriously I just go there just to see what companies I have not heard of before. If anything, I have already applied to most of them, so I just give them my résumé again and introduce myself.
Great Video, Brian!!
I want to speak on two of the points that you rank kind of low. In the past three months, I have had a great return on these two methods. As far as LinkedIn goes, I have had success with reaching out to the person that is attached to the job posting and giving them my résumé on top of applying for that particular role. I've had interviews and second interviews from doing it that way. And I have had a lot of success from just going straight to the job website and applying to the job posting. I think it is more simpler and gets your foot in the door faster that way. Job boards just don't cut it anymore. Considering the way the job market is right now. I think at the end of the day you just have to find the best method that works for you.
15:23 "you will have a leg up... and more importantly, you're going to have a foot in the door".
Sounds like very unstable position. Be sure you don't have your hands full at this moment.
I just have to say the whole "Foot in the door" idea is a fallacy especially in the trades and tech/ STEM industry. I've had jobs were I thought I had my foot in the door to get the position I wanted over a months even years. Only to find out that someone else got hired for it that was no where near qualified for the opening. And yes, I interviewed for those positions when they became available.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't
Any chance you would be able to give advice on how far out you should apply to jobs? I will be leaving the military at the end of April and I’m wondering if applying to jobs now would be too soon? Thanks!
Excellent advice! Though I am kicking myself for not seeing this video sooner.
What if you don’t have network and make a video helping folks build a network or build a good reference list.
Your ratings are spot on
Very informative and well thought out.
That last one, im not sure of. The recruiter reaching out to me, I think they have only focused on maybe one thing out of the whole JD that I fit. When I look at the JD when they reach out to me, i ask them if they sure that im a fit and and compare my resume. At any rate, i get ghosted after initial talks...
What about begging on LinkedIn? I saw quite a bit of that on LI in '22. Posting a sad story of being laid off along with a resume.
Lol so true
This trend is a manufactured phenomenon.
Love your content, this comment is just for the algorithm, keep it going!
Much appreciated!
I’ve been outbound sourced by recruiters numerous times throughout 2024 but no dice yet.
9:40 is that Murr from Impractical Jokers?
Job fairs that are company specific are totally worth going to though. Say "Company XYZ" is hosting a job fair at their head office. Fantastic way to get a job quickly & even accelerated into the interview process same day! Happened to myself and some others in the company got hired the same way. Some got hired via job boards but it was much slower, ie 2 months.
thank you. this video was very helpful!
interesting list, agreed from my own search. i applied to like 500 jobs last time and they never went anywhere. all of the jobs i actually got were when the recruiter came to me
Do all of the above. There is no wrong way of getting your resume seen. Just be creative.
I hear a lot about the LinkedIn SSI (Social Selling Index). Apparently it has an impact on how high you show up when others are searching for people with specific capabilities. Does this also apply to recruiters using the LinkedIn Recruiter tools?
I have not found help wanted signs to be all that effective. Especially if they have been up for over a year, sun faded or permanently decaled on the side of a truck.
I've never had an external recruiter do anything but waste my time. I don't even bother with them anymore. All of the jobs I've found over the last 25 years have been direct apply (through a job board or on the company website) or through a referral.
If I'm already out of school, how would I go about an internship?
Is that a Salomon sweater? I am sure I have the same one, it's my favorite sweater of all time. #unrelated :D Good content too
I have the same wall. It tastes good.
Hey Brian, is it better to use .txt instead of .pdf files for resumes so ATS can read it more clearly? Any hint? Thanks a lot.
You can still used Word, but many employer websites will automatically convert the text to a PDF file, some older applications websites will convert it to a text file, but the applicant has to then go back and correct the formatting/line spacing. It's not worth taking the chance that the website shows a hiring manager the correct format, but shows the applicant messed up formatting in plain text.
Thank you! I think this is your most valuable UA-cam video i have seen.
I hope my real-world experience will add value to viewers of your video. Going from start of my professional career to the present. I think most of these on my list support your ratings, but there are the outliers. You didn’t mention pivoting within company after lay-off, but I expect you assumed people would have already explored that.
Bottom line is Preparation while you still have a job vs Perspiration if laid-off. I believe all these moves were financially better, but not sure about 1 and 3 as they were so long ago, and I didn’t want to research.
1. PREVIOUS BOSS. Job after I was laid off due to merger…from staying in contact with previous boss.
2. RESUME IN RESPONSE TO AD. One random resume in response to a job listing by a company in my industry after I had been at previous job for one year and knew it was not a great fit. (Yes. I only sent out one resume and got a better job.)
3. CONTRACT TO PERMANENT. After that job laid-off, I did a contract to permanent job which went permanent.
4. PREVIOUS BOSS AND COWORKER. Had kept in contact with a previous boss plus previous coworker (his boss) especially while previous job was contract. They had an open position with better pay, but my then current position had significantly higher annual raises (~10% vs ~4% historically) so I decided to move based on passion for the type of work rather than pay and changed companies.
5. PIVOT WITHIN COMPANY. HELP EVERYONE YOU CAN. Pivoted within company after a merger when I saw my position would be neither secure nor fun anymore. Had developed strong contacts within that future department. Help everyone you can (within reason).
6. RESPONSE TO INTERNAL RECRUITER. Saw lay-offs on the horizon even though we were told our department would not be hit and had been (randomly?) contacted by an internal recruiter even though my LinkedIn wasn't great. Our department was hit, but I already kept new company “warm”. LOL! I did accept a bit lower pay than I would have if still employed but felt in my gut that it really was their bottom line plus it was still financially better for me over previous job (which I had lost).
7. PREVIOUS COWORKERS. Contract job for a previous employer due to staying in touch with ex-coworkers plus the company and department knowing my work.
8. PREVIOUS BOSS. Personal reference by my contract boss when he realized they wouldn’t have funds to hire me permanent past the current crisis when he was approached by a manager at a different company to fill an open position they had (wanting him) , plus staying in contact with a LinkedIn ex-colleague and knowing an ex-worker there in order to get the real scoop.
9. RETAINING JOB DUE TO VISIBILITY. Retained job through merger. Work done by me, but mostly by my ex-boss, to keep my contributions visible during merger resulting in my being retained even with an ~75% loss of employees due to lay-offs due to merger, but primarily loss due to drop in oilfield market.
Does anyone know if there's a 'Start here' video or article? Just stumbled upon this channel but its a lot of info
How does a job seeker make themself discoverable to the recruiter?
the video mentions another video where this is addressed
Sso, if a contractor placement rep calls you to get you a position is that considered outbound sourcing?
hello I have a question about outbound sourcing.
I had a recruiter on linkedin come to me a few months ago and saw that I was a good candidate, she asked if I could work w-2 and stuff but the problem is that she asked for my social security number, should I have given it to her? Is that a normal thing to do?
No never give your ss number
Scam scam scam
You dodged a bullet.
Employer: "You want a job HERE?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
PhD student: "This is McDonald's. It's an entry-level job!"
Employer: "Oh honey, no, no, no. With this economy, you need fifteen years of experience!"
do you have more information on outbound sourcing?
Could you address tips for seniors looking for employment?
I’ve been looking for a career for months. I’m kind of discouraged at this point. I am becoming so stressed and cannot afford to keep paying for resume writers, I’m not sure what to do.
First I’ve been laid off 3 times in the last 6 years so I totally understand the struggle.
What has worked for me is to develop a target list of companies and then to set up job alerts for those companies.
If I see a role I like,I check my network for a connection. Referrals go a long way.
I also set up job alerts from LinkedIn and Glassdoor. All jobs are not on the 3rd party sites.
If you get a phone screen, don’t underestimate the impact that recruiter can have on your ability to move forward. Always send a Thank you note for ever person you speak to in the process.
Stop paying resume writers and do your own resume by reading the free advice on job boards and YT videos.
Great list!
Wait so what do I do ? How exactly do I network ?
great info
This is all kind of obvious. If we all had contacts who were hiring managers then we would call them. I'm looking for advice as a career switcher who doesn't know anyone