The airline bills and athlete travel time for these schools that are so far from everywhere, it's just gonna be unsustaibable. There is a reason conferences were regional. Also, fuck ESPN/Disney.
I have no inside information on this but it seems The 12 will head to 24 by picking up the 2 PAC and 6 ACC teams and go to 4 pods of 6 with 2 divisions. It will be interesting to see what actually shake out.
Adding WSU and OSU would make a checkmate on the ACC. Promise WVU that the BIG12 will add Shit, I mean Pitt. And make pods or divisions to help with travel.
Adding Washington State and Oregon State probably means WVU Cincinnati and UCF will head to the ACC after FSU and Clemson leaves. Big 12 will be coming out West football conference like the pac-12.
Adding them changes nothing for the ACC.. but nice try anyway. NO cnferebceus harmed by lisang out om trips to Corvallis, much less the WKRST Road Trip innAmerica, Pullman, WA.
@@davidframe1613 why in the world would either of those schools go to the ACC? makes zero sense....neither are leaving..especially if the ACC losses THOSE 2 schools
@@shelbyp4880 um yeah..thats isnt happening...if the ACC really thought they could entice any B12 schools, they would have done that INSTEAD of taking Cal, Stanford and SMU
Wait, WSU and OSU give all of their money and assets, AND pay entry fee, AND take less money to join? Why should they be absolutely broke and struggle for decades, just to join? I think that’s too much. Give up the assets, and take a lesser share, ok, but pay and entry fee? That’s just dumb. No one pays an entry fee. Unless that just comes out of a smaller chunk to join.
WSU and OSU are both in states the B12 has no teams, and they both have metro areas that watch them of over 2.5 million. Seattle ( 4mil) and Portland are both viewers of those two teams, especially WSU. It’s just a fact. Sure, they’re not UW and OR, but they’ve got comparable or more viewers than many B12 teams. It just makes sense.
I know the travel is a big question, but Washington State and Oregon State fit the Big XII ethos quite well. I'd love to have them in the conference. In a couple of years, add Louisville and Virginia Tech and PItt and NC State and heck, maybe Miami... that's a fun conference that offers a lot of intrigue that the B1G and SEC can't.
As a WVU fan we don't need a TV spot for the backyard brawl it's already on TV. Millions of millions of people will watch it. Plus I don't care if Pitt is in the Big 12 or not that's up to them they don't sound that interested. Pitt would probably be last in the Big 12 anyhow they don't seem very good anymore.
@@davidframe1613 The Backyard Brawl drew 2.5 million viewers last season plus over 60,000 at the stadium in Morgantown. Next month, I expect more that 2.5 million viewers and over 70,000 fans from both sides at the Steelers' NFL stadium on the North Short of Pittsburgh. What a scene that will be as the Brawl begins at 3:30 pm and the Bucs' host the KC Royals with 30K around 1 pm just down the street. If Skenes is pitching, expect nearly 40K.
ESPN isn’t our only media partner. Before we decide to add schools we need to know if both of the media partners are agreeable to the teams, so even if ESPN would want those schools if Fox doesn’t then they are not going to be added.
ESPN did want Boise State into the Big 12. It was a tug o war between the two networks on who to add. The week nights games, ESPN uses the G5 schools for those games.
Even if both of them wanted them in the conference doesn't mean it would happen. If they was going to be added it would have already happened. Those schools don't have the votes to be added to the Big 12. We already have a contract with ESPN Fox for some time. They're not going to get mad and lose money in the future because we didn't add a team they wanted they forget about it very fast.
So much this. It sucks that decent schools can get screwed. Sadly, the B12 isn't in a position to save them. Adding them instead of ACC schools isn't in their best interests.
@@SvdSinner yeah I agree 100%. As much as I want us to save them, there’s a possibility that Florida state and Clemson will be available and they’re the only schools that can save the big 12 from a future collapse. We’re moving closer and closer to a 2 super conference league now.
Flugar was talking about USC and UCLA long before April 2022. Flugar broke that news. The guy you’re talking about on Twitter got that from him and ran with it and then pin the tweet that is all.
Both add the Pacific Time Zone slot to the B12. WSU has a much better tv viewership than the majority of the B12 schools and most of their alumni and fans live inside the Seattle metropolitan area. Both schools provide the PNW as a recruiting footprint. They've inherited a war chest. And they have the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Both schools also fit well with the B12 culture.
An interesting counter to what I heard on local sports talk radio, where the guest Friday, August 2, said that Washington State and Oregon State were going to try to bring in 6 Mountain West schools to form an 8-team new Pac-8. I believe those schools were Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, San Diego St., San Jose St., and UNLV. The guest then stated that the MWC could then go after Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, Texas State, Tulsa, UTEP, and UTSA as replacements.
WSU does well in terms of tv viewership as it draws from Seattle! Also the nighttime ratings for WSU would help the Big 12 and fill that late game time slot! I hope it happens because the Palouse is a gorgeous and their football stadium is in the middle of campus which is incredible!! WSU Big 12!! Yes
Adding Oregon State and Washington State could cause a mutiny in the Big 12 and give the ACC a lifeline. Big 12 needs to wait to see what happens to the ACC first. And what I mean is if Oregon State and Washington state is added against East Coast Big 12 teams will and FSU and Clemson leave the ACC East Coast teams like West Virginia Cincinnati and UCF possibly Kansas and others could go to the ACC.
With this move I feel ESPN is trying to water down the Big 12 in lieu of the conference taking stronger members from the ACC. i just feel the east coast is what our focus should be on. Adding only 2 east is a joke, we need at least 4 to balance out the conference. We just need to be patient, versus this ridiculous constant panic.
It makes sense because you also get the PAC 12 branding. You can have two divisions eventually and call them the Big 12 and PAC 12 and then sell the naming rights to the conference.
Oregon State had more tv viewership than Utah last season, not WSU. Oregon State (No. 20 nationally) had more viewers than all Big 12 teams except Texas and Oklahoma. West Virginia was No. 41.
One West Virginia game was canceled due to lightning and made our views go way down but on average we average almost 1.7 million a game. Would be higher if we was put on better channels they do take that and consideration if you're getting put on bad channels they understand you're not going to pull large numbers not even Alabama does that.
@@davidframe1613 @davidframe1613 Sure. And the same thing kept happening to Oregon State through the years. Bad time slots, too many games on Pac-12 Network. OSU came through last season when it got the chance. And the Beavers had 3.23 million viewers for the San Jose State game, just for those who might try to claim that it was all about the teams OSU played.
@@kevinhampton6986 OSU vs. San Jose State was a Sunday afternoon game with no competition from the NFL or any other college game. But yeah, that was an impressive number.
@@davidframe1613 When WVU games are only available on ESPN+ streaming for pay with a subscription of about $10 a month, the games barely register on the viewership radar. When the game is available on regular ESPN, FOX or network TV the viewership soars like 3.5 million for the Penn State game on NBC.
Adding them does not need to be a priority. I would demand ESPN to put FSU and Clemson into the conference before they add them. Then I would demand Miami and Louisville. Then we can add the two bottom feeders!
FSU, Clemson and Miami will never be in the Big 12. The money isn’t there…..actually, it would be less than Acc money. I don’t understand why that’s so hard to understand.
As a WVU fan I’m only ok with this is if we believe for sure it’s very likely we balance out with ACC schools. And that’s tough to be sure about. But it would make sense to get them and 4 schools for the ACC and go to 22. You can do travel pods at that point and it makes sense. Rotate which pods play every year like the NFL does and schedule big games as needed. But the money has to be right. I mean the travel isn’t as big of a deal once you figure it out. We need to gobble everything up like PAC MAN so long as the money is right.
@@davidframe1613 Well we will see want we?Just like when the big 12 lost Oklahoma and Texas but Clemson and FSU is not the end all and be all! If your a ACC hater just say that and stop hoping!🤧🥺😂😘
ESPN also wanted MWC schools under their belt as well. ESPN already have the MAC, SBC and now CUSA to play on Tuesday and Wednesday. Why not add MWC schools to the Big 12 like Boise State, UNLV, Fresno State and San Diego State with the PAC 2? Then later down the road add the ACC leftovers and turned the ACC Network as a coast to coast Big 12 tv network, and Fox could bow out later? Boise State and Fresno State been selling more tickets to fans that Oregon State and Washington State for years now, and their football team is as valuable as well with the lower end of the power 5. Then when you get the ACC schools later? You can have regions like west, central, north and southeast.
@@davidframe1613 California and Stanford never had the ratings that Boise State and Fresno State had on CBS and Fox OTA either. It seemed the Bay area did not care about those two teams, but Fresno and Boise both punched above their belts to get viewers outside of their areas because they are proven winners in recent years.
WSU was number three over the last decade in views in the PAC 12. 21 million view games. And top forty in wins in the cfp era. The fan base for WSU is five to six hours away from the school. There are two hotels in Pullman. It is not easy to get to.
@@SpitfirethedragonStanford averaged 1.83 million viewers. Boise nor Fresno state had those type numbers. Boise had a 790k average while Fresno averaged 388k but they did have better numbers than CAL.
@@JohnDry-d7z The issue is ESPN is the owner of the ACC Network. If they add schools? Now if it is coast to coast? I would not be surprised what is left over and adding some top AAC and MWC schools in the mixed? ACC dead, and have a coast to coast Big 12 Network owned by ESPN and have regions like West, Central, north and southeast. Memphis, Tulane, USF, UConn, UTSA, Air Force or Colorado State, Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, San Diego State along with Oregon State and Washington State. Plus you have to look at Boise State since ESPN wanted them, and could not get them. Houston got their spot instead. Boise State's football is actually more valuable than Oregon State and Washington State since they are making a profit on football. It would be more as well. The other reason is that several Big 12 schools are rumored to go into the Big 10 and SEC like Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State, plus California, Stanford, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Pittsburgh could be targets for the P2. I would not be surprised UCF, Cincinnati, Louisville and Kansas State goes to the P2.
If nobody watched the P12 with those teams in that slot why do you think they're gonna watch the Big12 in those slots Pac had better brands still no one watched.
CEO and co-founder of Nvidia is an Oregon State graduate who just donated $50M toward an on-campus research center. Dude is estimated to be worth more than twice as much as U. of Oregon megadonor Phil Knight. So yes, some pretty deep pockets.
The "world" doesn't need to stop. But if you give a die-hard college football fan a game with name-brand teams to watch instead of something other than sports on a weeknight or late Sat night, then you gain new eyeballs. And as a Georgia fan, Ok State in Corvallis or Texas Tech in Pullman gets my attention. San Jose State or Fresno State playing in those places doesn't. I'd Wash State and Oregon State matching up with Big 12 teams does a lot more for me than ACC schools matching up with Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
Finally! This has been long overdue for Oregon State & Washington State; congratulations! This will fully ensure the Pac-Nail in the coffin! California & Stanford now totally have eggs on their faces at the moment. They better pray that the Big 12 will absorb them or else they’ll be traveling across the country for significantly less money than they initially thought. R.I.P. Pacific Coast Conference (1915-2024.)
@@tarheel7406 Easy. I’m sure you already know that California & Stanford are now ACC teams. Now if ESPN nixes their ACC deal in 2025 then that would mean all the remaining teams there will make significantly less money because ESPN will fully anticipate FSU & Clemson not being in the ACC. The Big 12 already showed no interest in bringing either of them in last year; now with plenty of other ACC teams as an option to choose from it will be even harder for them both to be brought over to the Big 12. As for if ESPN doesn’t end their agreement with the ACC it would at best only delay the inevitable. Keep in mind that California & Stanford don’t get paid the full $30 million until 2031. They both will only make $10.4 Million for the first 7 years of their ACC deal. By then FSU, Clemson along with plenty other teams will long be gone from the ACC by then so from my perspective it totally wasn’t worth leaving the PAC. There’s also the traveling costs all their sports programs will have to deal with for the foreseeable future.
@@okolo22000 a) Why would ESPN not renew the ACC deal, especially given that it signed with the already Tier 2 BIG12? b) I suspect both CAL and STANFORD would prefer indy over the BIG12.
@@tarheel7406 A) I kinda answered that already. What exactly do you mean by “Tier 2 Big 12?” The 2 conferences are splitting hairs in talent at least until FSU & Clemson leave; which in part would be why ESPN wouldn’t renew the deal. B) I doubt it. They could’ve already done that by now. Unfortunately neither of them right now are good enough in Football to make any money on an independent contract; not everybody is Notre Dame.
@@okolo22000 a) ESPN/FOX paid ~$30M per for a BIG12 that had ust lost the last of its top 6 (net) and was ~50% G5 equivalent. Why wouldn't FOX renew the ACC's heavily discounted deal? b) The new BIG12 is not Tier 1 peer in media value not top-level competitiveness. It;s also the worst P5 in academics and prestige. The ACC remains Tier 1 peer until it depletes or depreciates. c) Again, the BIG12 has lost t's top 6 (net). CLEMSON and FSU would be only 2. d) STANFORD and CAL could survive as Tier 2 indys since scheduling wouldn't be as much of a problem that it would be for others in that situation. ND needs to be a Tier 1 indy.
This is some good news. I do feel the Big12 will take over the consolidation of the ACC once they TV deal up. Also the ACC grant of rights deal could hold a precedent for a consolidated merger of the two conferences. Adding the PAC 2 is the first step. The next step is to consolidate the Mountain West Merger to appease the Pac 2 merger. Once that imminent merger happens the ACC will cave to pressure for the two super conferences Big 10 and Big 12. That grant of rights deal got the ACC STUCK TOGETHER
Nobody’s jumping from the ACC for a while. Their GOR keeps them in the ACC until their contract gets close enough to the end for them to buy their way out or the court cases determines the GOR is nothing and the exit fee is too high. Either way, it’s going to be a while for anything to happen.
The ACC has always been known for basketball. Always! Maryland before it left; UNC, NC State, Duke under Coach K, Clemson with the Grant twins before one transferred, Virginia, Wake Forest. You need to know the history of the conference. Football powerhouses have only been recently.
Travel concern is foolish. You have to cut up into pods or with a few locked in opponents, and you’d make at most 1 visit out west while probably adding more Atlantic teams as time goes on. It will be tough for UCF and the Pac-2 teams because of how far they are, but again they’d make at most 1 visit each year and probably be structured to visit as little as makes sense
Adding a trip from UCF West Virginia or Cincinnati to Oregon or Washington would be horrible because we already have two Arizona schools two Utah schools and Colorado not to mention 4 Texas team which is pretty far for those schools also. Now adding super trips to Oregon and Washington why not add Hawaii??? I mean does Australia have a football team?? Do You know how hard it's going to be to rcruit kids and tell them you're going to be on the road all the time.
WVU plays an ACC team every year mainly pitts our rival and we play a big 10 or SEC school every year also, mostly Penn State but next year will play Alabama for 2 years and then we move to a matchup with Tennessee. But if you're saying we should play on Wednesday night I doubt that will happen. Most people get together for the game and Wednesday night would be horrible idea because it's a work night.
Could the Big 12 make schedule a Friday night 10:30? IF the conference adds the Pac2 this would be a solution by getting into a time unique slot. As for Sunday nigh games, it has be tried by ESPN twenty years ago and likely ended due to poor ratings. The Big12 Championship game could move into the Friday taking the slot previously used for the Pac12.
10:30 at night what are you talking about East Coast or West Coast even on the East Coast that would be too late to start a football game most people go to bed before then. If you're suggesting an East Coast football team go out west and start a game at 10:30 that would be like 2:30 in the morning on the East Coast no one would watch that. That's some of the problems with the ratings in the Big 12 already the games are on too late for the East Coast fans. That's one of the main reasons the pac-12 never got a decent offer from anyone because they play too late at night for most of the country. West Coast teams need to play Day games. Play at 10:30 a.m. not 10:30 p.m..
@@davidframe1613 To be specific I am suggesting Friday night games West Coast 730 (1030 for those on the East Coast) . Oregon State at Arizona on 10/28/23 ( Yes a Saturday game but with a 1030 East coast kick) had 1.4M viewers. While this is not top winning for the week that's not bad. As for travel from East to West we can look at is in coming season in both football and basketball.
Everyone knows who mvher3 is. His pinned tweet he took from someone else and when he pinned it, everyone already knew it. This guy is wrong more often than not.
Expansion; what a joke!!! ESPN has ruined college sports with their greed. Locked On Big 12 can’t find any content for Arizona State to present on this channel?? I sure hope ASU changes it schedules (despite revenue stream) to host all home games at NOON to cook all these big 12 teams. let’s use the climate to our advantage 🥵😵💫
Just depends on who the SEC and Big Ten takes there may not be 6 schools worth taking in the ACC after that. But if I had a saying that we would go ahead and add UConn.now. Their football isn't that great but their basketball would be unbelievable for the Big 12 with Kansas.
@@davidframe1613 agreed. I could probably name off 4 ACC schools that would be left worth taking.. then your PAC2… after that UConn? and then someone else to get the last ticket.. 🎫
Stop gasping into the microphone people. Did you mention that any additional P5 schools picked up can be independently packaged and sold to other media entities?
I don't see the big 12 ever ever adding a California team they already had an opportunity to get cal in Stanford and passed. Colleges in California are very political compared to the rest of the country and I don't think that's the right kind of atmosphere for the Big 12. California always brings in lots and lots of problems.
It's one thing to share slices of the pie with Clemson & Florida State, or even Miami- quite another to share with Washington State & Oregon State- they bring little to nothing to the conference
the deep breaths after every sentence today are a bit much lol
The breaths match the shirt lol
I was going to say, "Your audio is pretty SUCKY in this one.
I like Drake but he can be a bit of a drama queen
I can’t unhear this now
All he’s gotta do is turn down that gain….
The airline bills and athlete travel time for these schools that are so far from everywhere, it's just gonna be unsustaibable. There is a reason conferences were regional. Also, fuck ESPN/Disney.
So much gasping I'm so light head 🙃
😂can my mans breath 😂?
LMAO He is so excited! Lol
Mouth breathers gonna breathe
I would love to have them in the conference. I love Utah vs OST games
I have no inside information on this but it seems The 12 will head to 24 by picking up the 2 PAC and 6 ACC teams and go to 4 pods of 6 with 2 divisions. It will be interesting to see what actually shake out.
That would be ideal
Adding WSU and OSU would make a checkmate on the ACC. Promise WVU that the BIG12 will add Shit, I mean Pitt. And make pods or divisions to help with travel.
Adding Washington State and Oregon State probably means WVU Cincinnati and UCF will head to the ACC after FSU and Clemson leaves. Big 12 will be coming out West football conference like the pac-12.
Adding them changes nothing for the ACC.. but nice try anyway.
NO cnferebceus harmed by lisang out om trips to Corvallis, much less the WKRST Road Trip innAmerica, Pullman, WA.
Acc will be taking big 12 teams , these guys got it all WRONG.
@@davidframe1613 why in the world would either of those schools go to the ACC? makes zero sense....neither are leaving..especially if the ACC losses THOSE 2 schools
@@shelbyp4880 um yeah..thats isnt happening...if the ACC really thought they could entice any B12 schools, they would have done that INSTEAD of taking Cal, Stanford and SMU
Create a Big12 network from the old Pac12 network and have espn run it like the sec network
ESPN can't afford to lose any more money.
@@mikehappy2620 but they can afford to pay the sec more
They essentially have. See: ESPN+
@davidfloyd9134 Never!! Only the SEC lays in the King size bed with ESPN. Others take the bunkers or mattress on the floor.
ADD THEM!! They help with timeslots, viewership is pretty damn good! Can have coverage all day plus some interesting games!!
Wait, WSU and OSU give all of their money and assets, AND pay entry fee, AND take less money to join? Why should they be absolutely broke and struggle for decades, just to join? I think that’s too much. Give up the assets, and take a lesser share, ok, but pay and entry fee? That’s just dumb. No one pays an entry fee. Unless that just comes out of a smaller chunk to join.
WSU and OSU are both in states the B12 has no teams, and they both have metro areas that watch them of over 2.5 million. Seattle ( 4mil) and Portland are both viewers of those two teams, especially WSU. It’s just a fact. Sure, they’re not UW and OR, but they’ve got comparable or more viewers than many B12 teams. It just makes sense.
WSU and OSU deserve to be in a power conference. They've been screwed by the PAC-12 implosion !!
I know the travel is a big question, but Washington State and Oregon State fit the Big XII ethos quite well. I'd love to have them in the conference. In a couple of years, add Louisville and Virginia Tech and PItt and NC State and heck, maybe Miami... that's a fun conference that offers a lot of intrigue that the B1G and SEC can't.
The Backyard Brawl would be good for one of those new tv spots.
As a WVU fan we don't need a TV spot for the backyard brawl it's already on TV. Millions of millions of people will watch it. Plus I don't care if Pitt is in the Big 12 or not that's up to them they don't sound that interested. Pitt would probably be last in the Big 12 anyhow they don't seem very good anymore.
@@davidframe1613 The Backyard Brawl drew 2.5 million viewers last season plus over 60,000 at the stadium in Morgantown. Next month, I expect more that 2.5 million viewers and over 70,000 fans from both sides at the Steelers' NFL stadium on the North Short of Pittsburgh. What a scene that will be as the Brawl begins at 3:30 pm and the Bucs' host the KC Royals with 30K around 1 pm just down the street. If Skenes is pitching, expect nearly 40K.
ESPN isn’t our only media partner. Before we decide to add schools we need to know if both of the media partners are agreeable to the teams, so even if ESPN would want those schools if Fox doesn’t then they are not going to be added.
He said in the video that Fox wants no part of this.
ESPN did want Boise State into the Big 12. It was a tug o war between the two networks on who to add. The week nights games, ESPN uses the G5 schools for those games.
Even if both of them wanted them in the conference doesn't mean it would happen. If they was going to be added it would have already happened. Those schools don't have the votes to be added to the Big 12. We already have a contract with ESPN Fox for some time. They're not going to get mad and lose money in the future because we didn't add a team they wanted they forget about it very fast.
Oregon state definitely deserves to be in a conference. It’s sad what happened to them.
So much this. It sucks that decent schools can get screwed. Sadly, the B12 isn't in a position to save them. Adding them instead of ACC schools isn't in their best interests.
@@SvdSinner yeah I agree 100%. As much as I want us to save them, there’s a possibility that Florida state and Clemson will be available and they’re the only schools that can save the big 12 from a future collapse. We’re moving closer and closer to a 2 super conference league now.
I agree, these extended gasps are both annoying and probably unnecessary. This is not as earth shattering as you make it out to be.
Flugar was talking about USC and UCLA long before April 2022. Flugar broke that news. The guy you’re talking about on Twitter got that from him and ran with it and then pin the tweet that is all.
^^This guy gets it
Both add the Pacific Time Zone slot to the B12. WSU has a much better tv viewership than the majority of the B12 schools and most of their alumni and fans live inside the Seattle metropolitan area. Both schools provide the PNW as a recruiting footprint. They've inherited a war chest. And they have the Pac-12 Network infrastructure. Both schools also fit well with the B12 culture.
An interesting counter to what I heard on local sports talk radio, where the guest Friday, August 2, said that Washington State and Oregon State were going to try to bring in 6 Mountain West schools to form an 8-team new Pac-8. I believe those schools were Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, San Diego St., San Jose St., and UNLV.
The guest then stated that the MWC could then go after Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, Texas State, Tulsa, UTEP, and UTSA as replacements.
WSU does well in terms of tv viewership as it draws from Seattle! Also the nighttime ratings for WSU would help the Big 12 and fill that late game time slot! I hope it happens because the Palouse is a gorgeous and their football stadium is in the middle of campus which is incredible!! WSU Big 12!! Yes
Oregon state and Washington state are better adds then Stanford , cal , SMU the ACC really just needs to end nobody is driving there ship
Adding Oregon State and Washington State could cause a mutiny in the Big 12 and give the ACC a lifeline. Big 12 needs to wait to see what happens to the ACC first. And what I mean is if Oregon State and Washington state is added against East Coast Big 12 teams will and FSU and Clemson leave the ACC East Coast teams like West Virginia Cincinnati and UCF possibly Kansas and others could go to the ACC.
@sock1878 clemson won't get a big ten invite they won't have aau credit. Fsu is close to it UNC has it
@@jonslemp5733 right ! I think UNC will go to the SEC and FSU will go to the big ten and they wait at 19 for ND
@@elliotthoward4738
They gonna be waiting for forever at 19 then
@@happynotredamefan3736 ND can soon play in the nobody cares playoff they already can’t get a top 4 seed no matter how undefeated they are lol 😂
Espn needs to get thier grubby little fingers outta college football conference realignment
I would love to see them added to the B12
I would love to see ORST WAST in and 4-6 ACC leftovers to create a coast to coast conference divided into 2 divisions.
ESPN wants the Pac2 reason nighttime games west coast time!!!
With this move I feel ESPN is trying to water down the Big 12 in lieu of the conference taking stronger members from the ACC. i just feel the east coast is what our focus should be on. Adding only 2 east is a joke, we need at least 4 to balance out the conference. We just need to be patient, versus this ridiculous constant panic.
It makes sense because you also get the PAC 12 branding. You can have two divisions eventually and call them the Big 12 and PAC 12 and then sell the naming rights to the conference.
Add ACC time should be priority. Louisville Pitts NC ST. Virgina Tech Miami are priority. WSU and Oregon State can be added after
If ESPN wants it then the they need to pay up
The size of the conferences are getting crazy.
Oregon State had more tv viewership than Utah last season, not WSU. Oregon State (No. 20 nationally) had more viewers than all Big 12 teams except Texas and Oklahoma. West Virginia was No. 41.
One West Virginia game was canceled due to lightning and made our views go way down but on average we average almost 1.7 million a game. Would be higher if we was put on better channels they do take that and consideration if you're getting put on bad channels they understand you're not going to pull large numbers not even Alabama does that.
@@davidframe1613 @davidframe1613 Sure. And the same thing kept happening to Oregon State through the years. Bad time slots, too many games on Pac-12 Network. OSU came through last season when it got the chance. And the Beavers had 3.23 million viewers for the San Jose State game, just for those who might try to claim that it was all about the teams OSU played.
@@kevinhampton6986 OSU vs. San Jose State was a Sunday afternoon game with no competition from the NFL or any other college game. But yeah, that was an impressive number.
@@JohnOdermott Yeah, but that kind of goes with my point. OSU got the chance and came through. And people didn't have to watch, they chose to.
@@davidframe1613 When WVU games are only available on ESPN+ streaming for pay with a subscription of about $10 a month, the games barely register on the viewership radar. When the game is available on regular ESPN, FOX or network TV the viewership soars like 3.5 million for the Penn State game on NBC.
It is all about money 💵
"source" = a random twitter post 😂
Edit: now that i hear your source, that guy is the biggest clown, it makes sense you believe his post lmao
Take a breath Drake
Adding them does not need to be a priority. I would demand ESPN to put FSU and Clemson into the conference before they add them. Then I would demand Miami and Louisville. Then we can add the two bottom feeders!
FSU, Clemson and Miami will never be in the Big 12.
The money isn’t there…..actually, it would be less than Acc money.
I don’t understand why that’s so hard to understand.
If they do the scheduling alliance I would watch them even though I’m not a WSU and OSU so they can get a better of joining
New mic is catching all your breath as you talk
As a WVU fan I’m only ok with this is if we believe for sure it’s very likely we balance out with ACC schools. And that’s tough to be sure about. But it would make sense to get them and 4 schools for the ACC and go to 22. You can do travel pods at that point and it makes sense. Rotate which pods play every year like the NFL does and schedule big games as needed. But the money has to be right. I mean the travel isn’t as big of a deal once you figure it out. We need to gobble everything up like PAC MAN so long as the money is right.
No ACC school wants to go to the big 12!😢
@@jmath1978 lol I know but I’ll tell you the same thing I told PAC 12 fans. Those teams may have no choice.
@@TheYates27 But they will have a choice for better or worse!
Louisville does, and just watch how many line up once the ACC loses FSU and Clemson. They all will have cups in their hands begging.
@@davidframe1613 Well we will see want we?Just like when the big 12 lost Oklahoma and Texas but Clemson and FSU is not the end all and be all! If your a ACC hater just say that and stop hoping!🤧🥺😂😘
What the heck are you wearing bro??!!
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That was in around 1984!
ESPN also wanted MWC schools under their belt as well. ESPN already have the MAC, SBC and now CUSA to play on Tuesday and Wednesday. Why not add MWC schools to the Big 12 like Boise State, UNLV, Fresno State and San Diego State with the PAC 2? Then later down the road add the ACC leftovers and turned the ACC Network as a coast to coast Big 12 tv network, and Fox could bow out later? Boise State and Fresno State been selling more tickets to fans that Oregon State and Washington State for years now, and their football team is as valuable as well with the lower end of the power 5. Then when you get the ACC schools later? You can have regions like west, central, north and southeast.
It was also rumored that ESPN wanted the Big 12 to add cal and Stanford and that didn't happen.
@@davidframe1613 California and Stanford never had the ratings that Boise State and Fresno State had on CBS and Fox OTA either. It seemed the Bay area did not care about those two teams, but Fresno and Boise both punched above their belts to get viewers outside of their areas because they are proven winners in recent years.
WSU was number three over the last decade in views in the PAC 12. 21 million view games. And top forty in wins in the cfp era. The fan base for WSU is five to six hours away from the school. There are two hotels in Pullman. It is not easy to get to.
@@SpitfirethedragonStanford averaged 1.83 million viewers. Boise nor Fresno state had those type numbers. Boise had a 790k average while Fresno averaged 388k but they did have better numbers than CAL.
Where do you stop, 26 teams, 30? 32? 34?
ESPN wants the BIGXII to add WSU and OSU because it cools them down from waiting for the ACC.
I say, and who cares what I think, UCon, Miami, Oregon State, and San Diego State. That should be the next four teams.
Drake, wardrobe choices matter!!
If espn wants us to add them we should. But it will cost espn FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, and Louisville to join to the Big12
Not exactly. They bring tons of cash, eyeballs, and we will still get 2-4 schools from the ACC.
@@JohnDry-d7zDont count on it nobody in the ACC wants to go to the Big 12 Nobody!😢
@@jmath1978 I am sure Louisville would be up to go to the B12. Especially if 4 schools leave.
@@JohnDry-d7z The issue is ESPN is the owner of the ACC Network. If they add schools? Now if it is coast to coast? I would not be surprised what is left over and adding some top AAC and MWC schools in the mixed? ACC dead, and have a coast to coast Big 12 Network owned by ESPN and have regions like West, Central, north and southeast. Memphis, Tulane, USF, UConn, UTSA, Air Force or Colorado State, Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, San Diego State along with Oregon State and Washington State. Plus you have to look at Boise State since ESPN wanted them, and could not get them. Houston got their spot instead. Boise State's football is actually more valuable than Oregon State and Washington State since they are making a profit on football. It would be more as well. The other reason is that several Big 12 schools are rumored to go into the Big 10 and SEC like Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State, plus California, Stanford, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Pittsburgh could be targets for the P2. I would not be surprised UCF, Cincinnati, Louisville and Kansas State goes to the P2.
If nobody watched the P12 with those teams in that slot why do you think they're gonna watch the Big12 in those slots
Pac had better brands still no one watched.
LOOKS LIKE - FSU & Clemson are out of the grant of rights in 2027.
Instead of big12 taking acc teams, the acc will be taking big 12 teams.
Who would the Acc want? I like taking Utah, but who would be next.
Do not think so.
@christophertaylor1575
See you think, and I already know.
Both schools have great followings and donors with deep pockets. A no brainer, yaaaas !
CEO and co-founder of Nvidia is an Oregon State graduate who just donated $50M toward an on-campus research center. Dude is estimated to be worth more than twice as much as U. of Oregon megadonor Phil Knight. So yes, some pretty deep pockets.
The "world" doesn't need to stop. But if you give a die-hard college football fan a game with name-brand teams to watch instead of something other than sports on a weeknight or late Sat night, then you gain new eyeballs. And as a Georgia fan, Ok State in Corvallis or Texas Tech in Pullman gets my attention. San Jose State or Fresno State playing in those places doesn't. I'd Wash State and Oregon State matching up with Big 12 teams does a lot more for me than ACC schools matching up with Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
espn gets a great deal with the ACC. They will continue the deal, I think.
I like having a presence in the northwest.
Finally!
This has been long overdue for Oregon State & Washington State; congratulations! This will fully ensure the Pac-Nail in the coffin!
California & Stanford now totally have eggs on their faces at the moment. They better pray that the Big 12 will absorb them or else they’ll be traveling across the country for significantly less money than they initially thought.
R.I.P. Pacific Coast Conference (1915-2024.)
Why would CAL or STANFORD care?
@@tarheel7406 Easy.
I’m sure you already know that California & Stanford are now ACC teams. Now if ESPN nixes their ACC deal in 2025 then that would mean all the remaining teams there will make significantly less money because ESPN will fully anticipate FSU & Clemson not being in the ACC. The Big 12 already showed no interest in bringing either of them in last year; now with plenty of other ACC teams as an option to choose from it will be even harder for them both to be brought over to the Big 12.
As for if ESPN doesn’t end their agreement with the ACC it would at best only delay the inevitable. Keep in mind that California & Stanford don’t get paid the full $30 million until 2031. They both will only make $10.4 Million for the first 7 years of their ACC deal. By then FSU, Clemson along with plenty other teams will long be gone from the ACC by then so from my perspective it totally wasn’t worth leaving the PAC. There’s also the traveling costs all their sports programs will have to deal with for the foreseeable future.
@@okolo22000
a) Why would ESPN not renew the ACC deal, especially given that it signed with the already Tier 2 BIG12?
b) I suspect both CAL and STANFORD would prefer indy over the BIG12.
@@tarheel7406 A) I kinda answered that already. What exactly do you mean by “Tier 2 Big 12?” The 2 conferences are splitting hairs in talent at least until FSU & Clemson leave; which in part would be why ESPN wouldn’t renew the deal.
B) I doubt it. They could’ve already done that by now. Unfortunately neither of them right now are good enough in Football to make any money on an independent contract; not everybody is Notre Dame.
@@okolo22000
a) ESPN/FOX paid ~$30M per for a BIG12 that had ust lost the last of its top 6 (net) and was ~50% G5 equivalent. Why wouldn't FOX renew the ACC's heavily discounted deal?
b) The new BIG12 is not Tier 1 peer in media value not top-level competitiveness. It;s also the worst P5 in academics and prestige. The ACC remains Tier 1 peer until it depletes or depreciates.
c) Again, the BIG12 has lost t's top 6 (net). CLEMSON and FSU would be only 2.
d) STANFORD and CAL could survive as Tier 2 indys since scheduling wouldn't be as much of a problem that it would be for others in that situation. ND needs to be a Tier 1 indy.
Great move add wsu& Oregon st add big 12 then over Stanford & cal to acc
What's with this dude's INCESSANT LOUD INHALES???
The. Top TV ratings in Big 12 are Okie State and TCU
WVU has several TV viewership (Espn Thursday night) and attendance records (@Pittsburgh, @Texas, @USF), and i think the pinstripe bowl...
I’m a Husky and I’ll watch Iowa St vs TTech, but I’m sick.
This is some good news. I do feel the Big12 will take over the consolidation of the ACC once they TV deal up. Also the ACC grant of rights deal could hold a precedent for a consolidated merger of the two conferences. Adding the PAC 2 is the first step. The next step is to consolidate the Mountain West Merger to appease the Pac 2 merger. Once that imminent merger happens the ACC will cave to pressure for the two super conferences Big 10 and Big 12. That grant of rights deal got the ACC STUCK TOGETHER
How is the BIG12 a relevant super conference?
Obviously a planted story to light a 🔥 under the ACC 2nd tier teams to jump 🚢…. Va. Tech, NC State,Louisville and Miami… come on down…
Nobody’s jumping from the ACC for a while. Their GOR keeps them in the ACC until their contract gets close enough to the end for them to buy their way out or the court cases determines the GOR is nothing and the exit fee is too high. Either way, it’s going to be a while for anything to happen.
The ACC has always been known for basketball. Always! Maryland before it left; UNC, NC State, Duke under Coach K, Clemson with the Grant twins before one transferred, Virginia, Wake Forest. You need to know the history of the conference. Football powerhouses have only been recently.
Travel concern is foolish. You have to cut up into pods or with a few locked in opponents, and you’d make at most 1 visit out west while probably adding more Atlantic teams as time goes on. It will be tough for UCF and the Pac-2 teams because of how far they are, but again they’d make at most 1 visit each year and probably be structured to visit as little as makes sense
Adding a trip from UCF West Virginia or Cincinnati to Oregon or Washington would be horrible because we already have two Arizona schools two Utah schools and Colorado not to mention 4 Texas team which is pretty far for those schools also. Now adding super trips to Oregon and Washington why not add Hawaii??? I mean does Australia have a football team?? Do You know how hard it's going to be to rcruit kids and tell them you're going to be on the road all the time.
@@davidframe1613 are you aware how far Hawaii is?
By your single concept depth thought here Hawaii should not play football
If you are going to do a Wednesday night game then the big 12 should play a sec school or a big 10 school
WVU plays an ACC team every year mainly pitts our rival and we play a big 10 or SEC school every year also, mostly Penn State but next year will play Alabama for 2 years and then we move to a matchup with Tennessee. But if you're saying we should play on Wednesday night I doubt that will happen. Most people get together for the game and Wednesday night would be horrible idea because it's a work night.
Pretty in Pink
Could the Big 12 make schedule a Friday night 10:30? IF the conference adds the Pac2 this would be a solution by getting into a time unique slot. As for Sunday nigh games, it has be tried by ESPN twenty years ago and likely ended due to poor ratings.
The Big12 Championship game could move into the Friday taking the slot previously used for the Pac12.
10:30 at night what are you talking about East Coast or West Coast even on the East Coast that would be too late to start a football game most people go to bed before then. If you're suggesting an East Coast football team go out west and start a game at 10:30 that would be like 2:30 in the morning on the East Coast no one would watch that. That's some of the problems with the ratings in the Big 12 already the games are on too late for the East Coast fans. That's one of the main reasons the pac-12 never got a decent offer from anyone because they play too late at night for most of the country. West Coast teams need to play Day games. Play at 10:30 a.m. not 10:30 p.m..
@@davidframe1613 To be specific I am suggesting Friday night games West Coast 730 (1030 for those on the East Coast) . Oregon State at Arizona on 10/28/23 ( Yes a Saturday game but with a 1030 East coast kick) had 1.4M viewers. While this is not top winning for the week that's not bad. As for travel from East to West we can look at is in coming season in both football and basketball.
BYU wants to add the two schools, Utah, Arizona State, Arizona do not.
Cite your sources dude. Anonymous Twitter account. Probably urs. Otherwise this is just BS
There night end up a nice rivalry between O-States. The winner gets the Orange Ade Cup.
MHV’er is not a good source. You been quoting Greg Swaim and now him. SMH.
I'd take menphis and louisville first
Slow down your delivery so we don’t have to hear you gasp for air every five seconds.
Welcome to the Acc
A blatant lie. But as long as you say " per sources".....
I don’t trust rspn
Kansas fan, I would vote no. They’re too far and not good enough. I actually like those schools.
Everyone is just trying too hard to save WSU and Oregon St.
If you have to force it, it won't work.
F espn
Jon Wilner not Jon Wellner
Now MHver3 is a trusted source ?? BawHahahahahahah. !! SMH
Everyone knows who mvher3 is. His pinned tweet he took from someone else and when he pinned it, everyone already knew it. This guy is wrong more often than not.
Expansion; what a joke!!!
ESPN has ruined college sports with their greed.
Locked On Big 12 can’t find any content for Arizona State to present on this channel?? I sure hope ASU changes it schedules (despite revenue stream) to host all home games at NOON to cook all these big 12 teams. let’s use the climate to our advantage 🥵😵💫
Pick up WSU, OSU, then 6 out East (ACC schools)… move on to 24 team conference…. If that what the overlord ESPN/Fox want…
Just depends on who the SEC and Big Ten takes there may not be 6 schools worth taking in the ACC after that. But if I had a saying that we would go ahead and add UConn.now. Their football isn't that great but their basketball would be unbelievable for the Big 12 with Kansas.
@@davidframe1613 agreed. I could probably name off 4 ACC schools that would be left worth taking.. then your PAC2… after that UConn? and then someone else to get the last ticket.. 🎫
Doce Grande!!
Stop gasping into the microphone people.
Did you mention that any additional P5 schools picked up can be independently packaged and sold to other media entities?
4 big 12 schools looking to jump to ACC to form 3rd power conference. big 12 the new American Atheletic. Conf USA.
Doce Grande
My gosh take a breath brother😂😂😂😂
Florida state and Clemson will be going to SEC.
I turned off the video just to read comments lol the gasping got to me it’s like a scuba diver 😅
lol at doing an entire podcast over a guy who writes fan fiction about conference realignment.
unless ESPN opts to toss in a few more million per school, then id say nope
I feel sorry for wvu
Too far for every team except the newest 4. Oregon, Washington, USC are big enough brands to make it worth it, not them, sorry.
Everyone tat has never been to a rave at Baylor University put their hand up. Put your hand down Drake. Everyone already knows.
Bro slow down everytime you get excited anout the Big 12 you start running outta breath.......breathe
You have to do whatever ESPN says to do.
Very few people ever listen to ESPN ABC Disney they're not very smart people.
@@davidframe1613they aren’t smart but school s are allowing them to control them. Screw espn
Sorry couldn't make it through all the heavy breathing. Very annoying.
Here it comess....the Acc is falling apart. Lol
San Diego state and unlv are better to add and a lot more desirable of cities and easier to travel to
I don't see the big 12 ever ever adding a California team they already had an opportunity to get cal in Stanford and passed. Colleges in California are very political compared to the rest of the country and I don't think that's the right kind of atmosphere for the Big 12. California always brings in lots and lots of problems.
Big12 needs to be innovative. Go Big or Go Home. I like Wilner’s ideas.
Then when those come east does those pay them to come play in the east? If not not fair to WSU AND OSU.
Make your bed pal.
It's one thing to share slices of the pie with Clemson & Florida State, or even Miami- quite another to share with Washington State & Oregon State- they bring little to nothing to the conference
Holy shit, dude, the giant gasp for air every sentence makes this unlistenable