Keep it short, keep it specific, keep it mandatory. It is not a negotiation. I hear so many interactions where the officer just goes on and on which gives the inmate too many openings. Keep it short, keep to the point and when they try to take it somewhere else you shut that down right now! If it involves manipulation by threat or threat of self-harm, effect custody, have them looked at by medical and mental health, document it, report it to your supervisor.Make that process as unpleasant as possible to make them think twice next time!
Russ Hamilton that’s excellent. I’m starting in corrections on Monday and I really love your input. I’m a 20 year Army vet and this is gonna be a great job for me. Always appreciate the wisdom from you and of course from Anthony.
Sadly, they want to be controlled. It is like teen girls who cut themselves. They need external control because they grew up with parents who were out of control.
Great video and a great way to go into the conversation because it says the ground work that you won't be screwed with. I have been told this many times that if you don't know say NO because it's easier to turn a no into a yes than a yes into a no. Plus if you say no and find out differently it helps build that professional relationship when you come back and say hey I found out for you and it a yes to whatever it was.
I spoke to you a couple months ago this is Larry I have some exciting news I got hired for a Illinois State Department of Mental Health Institute where inmates go at and I am very excited and very happy about it if it wasn't for your videos and you're in the study that I was doing and I didn't give up like you told me I wouldn't never got it I just want to say thank you so much my first day is September 1st
I agree with Russ, your direction must be clear and concise. You aren't making a deal, you are giving an order. Anything else at that time is superfluous, once they have obeyed the order then they can ask questions etc. Follow policy, and write detailed reports.
Definitely correct, but when you have a Sargent that the inmates don’t respect makes your shift that much harder and at times the only way to regain that control is by disciplinary reports or confinement if you not lucky enough to get strong officers to help you out during the shift.
Definitely agree , have a female sgt who barks on every single rule she's a tiny female but barks at inmates like there children over very minor infraction , which make inmates want to buck , once this happens she doesn't follow through with any action weather that's a cc or to confinement or gas ect depending on how things end up . I'm considered a TEA since rehiring back in 2019 was certified and worked back in 05 . However when I find my self working with her she will escalate a situation and look to me to step in and finish the situation . I haven't figured out away to bring up to her by doing this she loses face and all respect from inmates . Mind you I don't have problems from inmates I work gangland butterfly dorm ,type A personality and stand 6ft9 325 lbs and inmates remember me from back in the day so once hired back in from the start the inmates that knew me from 05 let all the other inmates know I wasn't with the B's I do my job if they act right it's a smooth night if they act stupid well I like stupid . I'm looking for a way to bring the subject up to here with out offending her and or making her feel like she shouldn't work out there have talked to several sgt and even the shift Capt . Capt spoke with her several times can't seem to get through to her . Looking for some pointers on how to deal with her . I come out of the oilfield for the last 12 yrs so don't know how to be politically correct as I guess I should be
Definitely agree , have a female sgt who barks on every single rule she's a tiny female but barks at inmates like there children over very minor infraction , which make inmates want to buck , once this happens she doesn't follow through with any action weather that's a cc or to confinement or gas ect depending on how things end up . I'm considered a TEA since rehiring back in 2019 was certified and worked back in 05 . However when I find my self working with her she will escalate a situation and look to me to step in and finish the situation . I haven't figured out away to bring up to her by doing this she loses face and all respect from inmates . Mind you I don't have problems from inmates I work gangland butterfly dorm ,type A personality and stand 6ft9 325 lbs and inmates remember me from back in the day so once hired back in from the start the inmates that knew me from 05 let all the other inmates know I wasn't with the B's I do my job if they act right it's a smooth night if they act stupid well I like stupid . I'm looking for a way to bring the subject up to here with out offending her and or making her feel like she shouldn't work out there have talked to several sgt and even the shift Capt . Capt spoke with her several times can't seem to get through to her . Looking for some pointers on how to deal with her . I come out of the oilfield for the last 12 yrs so don't know how to be politically correct as I guess I should be
@@acpWilsoncombatEDC What you have is a tin pot dictator who probably couldn't name more than 5 inmates no matter how Iong she's worked there? Expects every rule to be enforced to the T but doesn't have the job of actually having to enforce those rules every hour of every day? And probably didn't spend much time in the lower ranks but promoted quickly to get a position of supervising staff rather than inmates. A yes person to all of her supervisors? A follower to her supervisors but not really a leader? I've actually worked with a lady like this and our institution improved when she left.
oh yeah had many inmate try this shit on me. Sad, but like i told ya in my other account, i had a nurse fall for this. thanks or posting, this is an important one
It could be the wrong approach, but I would rather pin them down to a yes or no answer, and wrap the encounter up as soon as possible. This would stop it from distracting my ability to supervise, while at the same time allowing me to comply with policy. That is if I suspect that the conversation is being used to chew up time or test the fence.
I'm two weeks in and I've begun to be tested by the "gang" kid. I work at the only juvenile correctional facility here and I get rapists and murderers in my unit and violent offenders. I don't like when they try to intimidate with glaring. Not sure how to handle it.
Juveniles are hard. My advice, bend him to your will. Constant direct pressure. Don't let up till he caves and by that I mean pencil whip him good. Make sure his property only what he is allowed etc etc. But also give him an out, a way to save face without going physical.
I'm a nurse in a prison hospital. I am struggling with a few narcissistic, demanding, and manipulative patients. How can I get better about cutting them off and stopping the conversation without escalating the situation?
Hey Jenn. The key is..you need to control the dialogue at all times. The confidence on your end will come from the road map you set for any dialogue that has to occur between you and the inmate. A good approach I have seen used are strategic questions that force the inmate to go back on topic. Basically, if the inmate starts to travel off course, you can ask him or her a question to bring them back on course…something like, “I am sorry, but how is this relevant to getting your medication today? Or, if there is an officer on site, you can look at the officer and he or she can end the dialogue for you. To be honest, confidence is key here…once you notice there is a concern…cut the dialogue off and if they get upset with it ..so be it. Eventually the inmates will know not to do it anymore
@@TierTalk she also told me something revolutionary: she has never met a guilty man in all her years as a corrections nurse. Every single last one of them is innocent and a victim of the system. I was appalled that the California Department of Corrections snatches innocent men off of the streets and say they commit violent gang crimes, robbery and rape.
This is probably not the right advice but I had an inmate try to feel me out about something and I, who am a talker, took him on such a wild ride conversationally that I think he got lost along the way. Hint: If an inmate ever asks if you have any addictions he's fishing for staff to bring him contraband. (In my case he was not looking for is a seminar on how video games, drugs and even sugar rewire a person's brain to create addictions and why they should all be avoided. By the end of the conversation he had such a strange look on his face that either he regretted asking in the first place or was actually thinking about what I said. And no, I didn't document it. I didn't have time. We are so short staffed that 2 person posts are now single staffed, the Institution is on 3 day lockdowns and we have to shut down early on 2 of the other 4 days due to staffing. We are so busy with the "busywork" of running the place there's almost no time to write disciplinary or incident reports of any kind.)
Hey everyone-not sure if this is the correct board to post on, correct me if I'm wrong. I just have a question that I could really use some help with. I've had incredible stress and I really need to get some advice. I take it we have a lot of CO's here? Well here I go: I'm in the process of being vetted for NYSDOCCS. I have already been sent to Albany and have taken my medical and physical as well as my interview with the EIU. I have no criminal record. I do not abuse illegal drugs. The investigator gave me the date for the written pysc test and sent me on my way. This was all last Thursday. (Now here's the question). (Sat the 26th) I got fired from my Job. Will this effect my chances of getting hired? Will it disqualify me? I called my investigator last (Mon the 28th) and told him about it. He said no problem but Im just still a little nervous. Any advice? Thanks!
@@TierTalk I was working at U-Haul and was terminated for an "Improper trailer hookup". I was still in training with only a month on the job. But no def nothing illegal!
@@LiveToRapRapToLive93 no worries. Remember, the psych eval is looking for consistency and honesty. It wants to see if your thinking is negative and off center. Remember, those who trust no one tend not to be trustworthy. Those who think everyone else is bad usually treat everyone terribly. Keep that in mind as you answer questions.
Tier Talk thanks for the reply I’m in Pennsylvania and thinking about joining there are so many different reviews about the job out there and I’m just lost honestly is it something worth getting into is the pay/benefits worth it ? And do you even have a chance of moving up
My experience has been great. I am taking care of, and I have moved up and secure some real good higher positions. But, I guess, it all depends on the agency. I just love the profession as a whole
Tier Talk thanks ! One more question sorry for holding you up if your in corrections how do you get into a specialties like SRT or something like that ?
Convicts are people who feel entitled to treat others however they want until there are consequences, then they resent and hate the people who ensure those consequences. They resent being held accountable and must blame those holding them accountable of injustice in order to maintain their twisted view that they are entitled to treat everyone else however they want with no consequences or accountability. In other words, they are in prison because they are bad people and they want to make everyone else the bad person. Evil always seeks to call good bad and bad good.
OK first, "I'm going to hurt myself " gets them pulled out of the cell and to suicide watch. That is how it happens in Calif. and none of this "I'm just kidding" oh hell no. you are now on SW, Medical and psych staff need to hear/ see this video because inmates will often try to use this on them. and we in med / psych dont know all the custody rules. I'v had many a time where an inmates tells / ask me something, in order to manipulate me and i think "you know that kind of makes sense" so i go ask the SGT. 90 % of the time it is BS, but i go ask. just please, custody staff, dont jump our case in med/ psych for asking. We dont have the custody training you do. I had to many times where a CO gets sarcastic to me and says "Well what do you think?" in a nasty tone. i dont jump your case when you dont know a nursing procedure.
Keep it short, keep it specific, keep it mandatory. It is not a negotiation. I hear so many interactions where the officer just goes on and on which gives the inmate too many openings. Keep it short, keep to the point and when they try to take it somewhere else you shut that down right now! If it involves manipulation by threat or threat of self-harm, effect custody, have them looked at by medical and mental health, document it, report it to your supervisor.Make that process as unpleasant as possible to make them think twice next time!
Great advice.
Russ Hamilton that’s excellent. I’m starting in corrections on Monday and I really love your input. I’m a 20 year Army vet and this is gonna be a great job for me. Always appreciate the wisdom from you and of course from Anthony.
It is a difficult subject to impart. But you are a absolutley right that controlling the interaction is mandatory. Good stuff.
Thank you sir
Sadly, they want to be controlled. It is like teen girls who cut themselves. They need external control because they grew up with parents who were out of control.
This is a great topic. A good book that delves into this in good detail is "Never Split the Difference" by Chris Voss former FBI Negotiator.
Thank you. I will read that
Just ordered the book. I look forward to reading it. Thanks for the heads up.
Me too.
Great video and a great way to go into the conversation because it says the ground work that you won't be screwed with. I have been told this many times that if you don't know say NO because it's easier to turn a no into a yes than a yes into a no. Plus if you say no and find out differently it helps build that professional relationship when you come back and say hey I found out for you and it a yes to whatever it was.
I agree!
I spoke to you a couple months ago this is Larry I have some exciting news I got hired for a Illinois State Department of Mental Health Institute where inmates go at and I am very excited and very happy about it if it wasn't for your videos and you're in the study that I was doing and I didn't give up like you told me I wouldn't never got it I just want to say thank you so much my first day is September 1st
That is great news. You deserve it. It truly goes to show you ..all you need is drive and persistence. You got this Larry.
This makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the videos. I start as a CO next monday, the 11th.
Spector103 congratulations. I wish you the best of luck
@@TierTalk thank you
Right on brother, I just started myself. Good luck with your training! Getting hit with OC spray is the best part! ;)
Lol
@@spector103 always always say no. My best advice
I agree with Russ, your direction must be clear and concise. You aren't making a deal, you are giving an order. Anything else at that time is superfluous, once they have obeyed the order then they can ask questions etc. Follow policy, and write detailed reports.
Definitely correct, but when you have a Sargent that the inmates don’t respect makes your shift that much harder and at times the only way to regain that control is by disciplinary reports or confinement if you not lucky enough to get strong officers to help you out during the shift.
danny dividu well said
Can you give more specifics on why they do not respect him and what they do to show it.
Definitely agree , have a female sgt who barks on every single rule she's a tiny female but barks at inmates like there children over very minor infraction , which make inmates want to buck , once this happens she doesn't follow through with any action weather that's a cc or to confinement or gas ect depending on how things end up . I'm considered a TEA since rehiring back in 2019 was certified and worked back in 05 . However when I find my self working with her she will escalate a situation and look to me to step in and finish the situation . I haven't figured out away to bring up to her by doing this she loses face and all respect from inmates . Mind you I don't have problems from inmates I work gangland butterfly dorm ,type A personality and stand 6ft9 325 lbs and inmates remember me from back in the day so once hired back in from the start the inmates that knew me from 05 let all the other inmates know I wasn't with the B's I do my job if they act right it's a smooth night if they act stupid well I like stupid . I'm looking for a way to bring the subject up to here with out offending her and or making her feel like she shouldn't work out there have talked to several sgt and even the shift Capt . Capt spoke with her several times can't seem to get through to her . Looking for some pointers on how to deal with her . I come out of the oilfield for the last 12 yrs so don't know how to be politically correct as I guess I should be
Definitely agree , have a female sgt who barks on every single rule she's a tiny female but barks at inmates like there children over very minor infraction , which make inmates want to buck , once this happens she doesn't follow through with any action weather that's a cc or to confinement or gas ect depending on how things end up . I'm considered a TEA since rehiring back in 2019 was certified and worked back in 05 . However when I find my self working with her she will escalate a situation and look to me to step in and finish the situation . I haven't figured out away to bring up to her by doing this she loses face and all respect from inmates . Mind you I don't have problems from inmates I work gangland butterfly dorm ,type A personality and stand 6ft9 325 lbs and inmates remember me from back in the day so once hired back in from the start the inmates that knew me from 05 let all the other inmates know I wasn't with the B's I do my job if they act right it's a smooth night if they act stupid well I like stupid . I'm looking for a way to bring the subject up to here with out offending her and or making her feel like she shouldn't work out there have talked to several sgt and even the shift Capt . Capt spoke with her several times can't seem to get through to her . Looking for some pointers on how to deal with her . I come out of the oilfield for the last 12 yrs so don't know how to be politically correct as I guess I should be
@@acpWilsoncombatEDC What you have is a tin pot dictator who probably couldn't name more than 5 inmates no matter how Iong she's worked there? Expects every rule to be enforced to the T but doesn't have the job of actually having to enforce those rules every hour of every day? And probably didn't spend much time in the lower ranks but promoted quickly to get a position of supervising staff rather than inmates. A yes person to all of her supervisors? A follower to her supervisors but not really a leader? I've actually worked with a lady like this and our institution improved when she left.
Anthony, I totally agree that the Corrections Officer or other Staff Person has to be in charge and in control!
Always. They need to maintain that control throughout any interaction
Vid starts, as always, around the 2:00 mark
Have to learn to say no. Enforce policy as written. They will play you. I’d rather explain what I did per policy, then to violate it.
oh yeah had many inmate try this shit on me. Sad, but like i told ya in my other account, i had a nurse fall for this. thanks or posting, this is an important one
Thank you Randy
Some women with help others to death. Some will help others to their own death.
Very helpful. Been a c/o for about a year
I am happy you enjoyed it
It could be the wrong approach, but I would rather pin them down to a yes or no answer, and wrap the encounter up as soon as possible. This would stop it from distracting my ability to supervise, while at the same time allowing me to comply with policy. That is if I suspect that the conversation is being used to chew up time or test the fence.
I'm two weeks in and I've begun to be tested by the "gang" kid. I work at the only juvenile correctional facility here and I get rapists and murderers in my unit and violent offenders. I don't like when they try to intimidate with glaring. Not sure how to handle it.
Juveniles are hard. My advice, bend him to your will. Constant direct pressure. Don't let up till he caves and by that I mean pencil whip him good. Make sure his property only what he is allowed etc etc. But also give him an out, a way to save face without going physical.
I'm a nurse in a prison hospital. I am struggling with a few narcissistic, demanding, and manipulative patients. How can I get better about cutting them off and stopping the conversation without escalating the situation?
Hey Jenn. The key is..you need to control the dialogue at all times. The confidence on your end will come from the road map you set for any dialogue that has to occur between you and the inmate. A good approach I have seen used are strategic questions that force the inmate to go back on topic.
Basically, if the inmate starts to travel off course, you can ask him or her a question to bring them back on course…something like, “I am sorry, but how is this relevant to getting your medication today?
Or, if there is an officer on site, you can look at the officer and he or she can end the dialogue for you.
To be honest, confidence is key here…once you notice there is a concern…cut the dialogue off and if they get upset with it ..so be it. Eventually the inmates will know not to do it anymore
I know a woman who works as a prison nurse and they try her daily.
They will try
@@TierTalk she also told me something revolutionary: she has never met a guilty man in all her years as a corrections nurse. Every single last one of them is innocent and a victim of the system. I was appalled that the California Department of Corrections snatches innocent men off of the streets and say they commit violent gang crimes, robbery and rape.
This is probably not the right advice but I had an inmate try to feel me out about something and I, who am a talker, took him on such a wild ride conversationally that I think he got lost along the way. Hint: If an inmate ever asks if you have any addictions he's fishing for staff to bring him contraband. (In my case he was not looking for is a seminar on how video games, drugs and even sugar rewire a person's brain to create addictions and why they should all be avoided. By the end of the conversation he had such a strange look on his face that either he regretted asking in the first place or was actually thinking about what I said. And no, I didn't document it. I didn't have time. We are so short staffed that 2 person posts are now single staffed, the Institution is on 3 day lockdowns and we have to shut down early on 2 of the other 4 days due to staffing. We are so busy with the "busywork" of running the place there's almost no time to write disciplinary or incident reports of any kind.)
Hey everyone-not sure if this is the correct board to post on, correct me if I'm wrong. I just have a question that I could really use some help with. I've had incredible stress and I really need to get some advice. I take it we have a lot of CO's here? Well here I go: I'm in the process of being vetted for NYSDOCCS. I have already been sent to Albany and have taken my medical and physical as well as my interview with the EIU. I have no criminal record. I do not abuse illegal drugs. The investigator gave me the date for the written pysc test and sent me on my way. This was all last Thursday. (Now here's the question). (Sat the 26th) I got fired from my Job. Will this effect my chances of getting hired? Will it disqualify me? I called my investigator last (Mon the 28th) and told him about it. He said no problem but Im just still a little nervous. Any advice? Thanks!
Did you get fired for something criminal. If it’s not criminal, I think they can only give out basic information
@@TierTalk I was working at U-Haul and was terminated for an "Improper trailer hookup". I was still in training with only a month on the job. But no def nothing illegal!
I think you maybe okay.
@@TierTalk I hope so too, thank you sir!
@@LiveToRapRapToLive93 no worries. Remember, the psych eval is looking for consistency and honesty. It wants to see if your thinking is negative and off center. Remember, those who trust no one tend not to be trustworthy. Those who think everyone else is bad usually treat everyone terribly. Keep that in mind as you answer questions.
This is a debate I’ve been asking for a long time is corrections considered law enforcement?
I believe we are. In nj, we are
Tier Talk thanks for the reply I’m in Pennsylvania and thinking about joining there are so many different reviews about the job out there and I’m just lost honestly is it something worth getting into is the pay/benefits worth it ? And do you even have a chance of moving up
My experience has been great. I am taking care of, and I have moved up and secure some real good higher positions. But, I guess, it all depends on the agency. I just love the profession as a whole
Tier Talk thanks ! One more question sorry for holding you up if your in corrections how do you get into a specialties like SRT or something like that ?
specialized teams maybe a little tougher to get into. In some states, it may require another set of interviews once yo are already in the position.
It’s too bad you and some of the ex-inmate channels have beef, it would be really interesting to see you guys sit down and talk about shit.
I agree. But the one channel twisted my perspective and created a crazy whirlwind. Lol
Convicts are people who feel entitled to treat others however they want until there are consequences, then they resent and hate the people who ensure those consequences. They resent being held accountable and must blame those holding them accountable of injustice in order to maintain their twisted view that they are entitled to treat everyone else however they want with no consequences or accountability. In other words, they are in prison because they are bad people and they want to make everyone else the bad person. Evil always seeks to call good bad and bad good.
I just started at a women's prison, ide like to ask you some questions, and see how you would handle some things
You can email me at gangianthony@yahoo.com
OK first, "I'm going to hurt myself " gets them pulled out of the cell and to suicide watch. That is how it happens in Calif. and none of this "I'm just kidding" oh hell no. you are now on SW, Medical and psych staff need to hear/ see this video because inmates will often try to use this on them. and we in med / psych dont know all the custody rules. I'v had many a time where an inmates tells / ask me something, in order to manipulate me and i think "you know that kind of makes sense" so i go ask the SGT. 90 % of the time it is BS, but i go ask. just please, custody staff, dont jump our case in med/ psych for asking. We dont have the custody training you do. I had to many times where a CO gets sarcastic to me and says "Well what do you think?" in a nasty tone. i dont jump your case when you dont know a nursing procedure.
I would love to see more partnership between custody and civilian staff. Maybe we can lead the way
@@TierTalk I agree. We are each other's eyes and ears.
Good point. I will be sure to take that into considerations with our nursing staff when I interact with them!
Great way to say something but nothing at the same time.
I want know friend inmate has girlfriend use me r not.i heard inmates have wife use ppl for money
Jesus Christ waiting for you with His arms open wide!😁
U shouldn’t drive and do lives,,, that’s not safe
dude. you should treat them like pepole.