Are you Pro life or Pro choice? VRCHAT EDITION
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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i dont think babies should be considered punishments or consequences for anyones actions. if you treat your kid like a punishment you will raise him horribly.
damn thats a good point
I like this
I think whether a baby is considered a punishment depends on the parents, if they think that way it's their job to change their view. Society has divorced sex from babies, but the natural and logical consequence from sex IS a baby, and it's something that should always be considered because even if you're using protection there's always a chance
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or just put him up for adoption
As muslims we can’t take any other ideologies for granted. Yes, it might have allot of things that are similar but there’s also parts where it isn’t. I don’t think its a black or white typa situation thats why you gotta be careful when u choose to subscribe to something.
all the people who talked in this video don't know their purpose in life primarily the last one who was talking on how a kid gave her friend "purpose and saved her life" although only Allah can give you both because he was the one to give life to begin with
In certain situations it is permissible, in other situations it isn’t.
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله 💯🖤
As a Christian myself all babies even in the case of r*** is still made in the image of God which is why I believe all Abortion should be outlawed. Much love brother.
I ain’t no Muslim but shit y’all got pretty good views ngl huge respect for Islam
Exact example of how guys are so much more relaxed despite the “toxic masculinity” bs
Nah toxic masculinity is real. Despite common believe, it doesn’t mean masculinity is bad. The opposite, actually
@@zacharywoloszynski4258 So is what you're saying here that, not all masculinity is bad?
Because that I can get behind. However yeah there are some bad men, kinda like there are bad women. I just find it annoying we gotta keep it restricted to just "Oh this (insert feminine or masculinity or any other gender related word) is wrong, bad, and outright evil." Cause honestly that makes us start generalizing a whole part of population that doesnt need to be. Sorry, kinda rambled on here from my original question xD
@@zacharywoloszynski4258 yeah the definition more or less implies that its when very non masculine men are acting crap (so, more like just being toxic on its own)
women are also more affected by accidental or forced pregnancies. Toxic masculinity is an excuse for misogyny and is based around a false idea of competitive merit, not the volume of someone's voice. I see what u mean, but also really bro? You gotta say something sexist?
@@fatehound2607 pretty much. Masculinity itself is a good thing, something lucid has touched on in previous videos. Toxic masculinity is things like suppressing your emulations and misogyny, both not masculine things if you think about it.
I agree 100% with the guy at 5:57. IF a woman can abort a child with no say from the father than the father should be able to walk away and have no financial burden for that child, fair is fair.
They already do that tho
@@Sonic35667 not if that woman takes them to court fir child support.
@@SirPanda86 yea but thats not even fair thoo like we have no choice whether we have a child and pay for it bc the female chooses to pay when they dont abort
Well yeah they can do that, the father can just not pay for anything during the pregnancy like the hospital bill.
@@abeIincoIn i live in the uk tax covers hospital bills
Dude at 8:19 is nothing but facts. Everything he said from that statement would do so much for both sides.
I just came back to watch this video again, I really really liked making this video. I feel UA-cam didn’t push it out too well due to the curse words and controversial nature of it but it really was one of my favorites in vrchat. Maybe one day I’ll go back in there and debate some more….
why tf were those two girls getting so pressed when you didn't even say anything LMFAOOO
Because they are retards, they don't even know what abortion is about, probably never stopped to really think about it. Just following other people to be accepted in their social group.
It’s always risky to psychoanalyze from a video, but whenever someone gets really defensive from a very small comment or question it makes me think they’re insecure about their belief, so they’re rushing to shut down the opposing one before it shines a light on the cracks in their argument.
@Samurguy990 Yeah, plus not seeming to be able to handle hearing opposing opinions of their preferred own too😥
@@samurguy9906you psychoanalized wrong lmao
Interesting video hearing different sides to the sensitive topic that is pro-life vs pro-choice. Happy it didn't result in screaming fights/putting down the other side simply because of differing views.
There was screaming but you know everyone in VRchat wanted to make the place better so everyone is experimenting how far can people contrast before crossing the line.
I think that in Americas current state, there has to be a 2nd civil war to settle issues like this. We either need to be all red states (republican) or all blue states. (democrat) A house divided against itself cannot stand.
@@famedgod7386
now that's just childish talk. Democrats & Republicans are all puppets to the same Lobbists that "donate" to political campiagens & corporate money PACs
@@famedgod7386 Bruh do you know what that means? Dude that means thosuands if not millions of innocent people are going to die over trivial issues that can be solved peacefully. You don't know what a civil war is dude, look at the middle east and Africa life sucks cause of civil wars
At 4:30, I respect you’re opinion, you can raise the kid, they make men pay who leave the child, I know that the father should have a say but they have the easy part where the have a easy way of protection without fucking up their hormones . I think they should educate everyone more about protection and what your going into and woman should have the right to privacy when it comes to any medical choice. It shouldn’t be someone else’s choice in the first place
This is actually one of the most civilised insightful debates in one of the most degenerate place lmao the irony when u compare it to other channels who just whana fuel the fire is unreal , keep it up bro mashallah ill be praying for ur success man.
Thank you brother God bless you
very tense debate, still im maintaining my pro life stance.
life is hard, life is cruel, life is beautifull and life can be horrible but life IS
death is literally nothing bro.. like we have entire systems and religions to prepare us for death cause theres no coming back from that.
also no abortion will ever be safe.
Can I ask about what your stance is if the mother was r*ped or the mother will likely die if she goes to term?
I wonder what the censored reply to this post said. Thanks youtube, very cool
Ok but people still get raped
And? Less than one precent of abortions are rape the Andrew is not to kill the child you wanna kill the child kill the father
@@antopus1757 Answering one crime with another is still wrong
I'm pro-choice I think? My friend committed suicide recently, and it hurt a lot because he said anything to me about his issues and I had known him for years. I think it would be selfish of me to say it was a bad thing that he did what he did, but I do think it sucks that he felt alone enough and hated himself enough to do what he did. I hope he's in a better place, even if I am atheist I can still hope.
Sorry for your loss
I hope you end up in the better place, cuz eventually we will all die. Look into Islam, watch the videos on the One Message foundation channel
UA-cam channel
How does this have anything to do with abortion?
I don't really know why a lot of people think that atheists don't have hope and are a bunch of doomers, we just don't base our hope, gratitude and morals in a god or a holy book, but from within.
5:30 was the peak of rationality
AYOOO WHAT ARE TAY FROM CANADA AND POPSHOOTER DOING IN THIS VIDEO?? BIG FAN
I’m pro life. Unfortunately, I don’t know if there will ever be an agreement between pro-life and pro-abortion people on this topic, since each side has a different definition of the issue at hand. As a pro-life person, I see the issue as whether or not a baby should be murdered. However, pro-choice people seem to see the issue as a women’s rights issue instead. If there is not a common definition/agreement on what the issue at hand is, the debate will never end. Love the content bro. God bless
respectfully disagree 👍
yeah i agree, I hate when people say "My body my choice" its biologically false for one, i dont know why they keep saying it, I always like to steal this one line from Ben Shapiro: "so if a woman is giving birth to a boy then does that woman also have a penis, its her body right?
A fetus is not a baby. If someone can’t even get basic facts right they start on a position of disingenuous debate.
I agree, a fetus can feel and that is a HUMAN by definition that is murder and it’s not the woman’s body it’s the babies body and if the woman wanted to get her cheeks clapped then that’s her problem the baby shouldn’t get murdered because the mom is a hoe
The reality is anti choice belief come from religious dogma where they are trying to push their beliefs on to other people and take away rights, freedoms and liberty. The exact same type of people who think gays should not be allowed to exist.
This is another level of lucid’s videos , absolutely amazing 🤩
Love the pfp :)
@@Itslanaobvi kurdistan doesn't exist only Palestine and chechnya and kashmir exist
Like it how you changed the title to avoid controversy
Now that I think about it, the whole pro-choice debate is just proof of a dystopian society, if we lived in a society without corruption, mental illness, poverty and other common issues, there'd be next to no issue about having children. If society was better economically people could afford to raise children, if society wasn't so corrupt and uncaring then orphans could get better living conditions, if mental health was treated more seriously we could stop generational trauma.
The fact that we have created this perspective about children being annoying baggage everyone should avoid or try to get rid of is definitely proof of a dystopian society and it shows how we're not trying to improve our living conditions, we're even making it slowly worse.
I also wanna say that I feel like the way we're being taught about woohoo is wrong, we're being taught about it as something done for pleasure and experimenting when the first thing that should be drilled into our head should be "it's done for reproduction, pleasure comes second" and media in general doesn't help with its overly sexualized content.
The guy that said “I kinda base life on how much you live” is so dumb. Like a 5 year old has less worthy than a 50 year old? Because the they’ve lived more? Dude pissed me off, bro had the most fatherless skin dude lmao
"I was a crack baby" outta no where. Haha
im Pro life
FYI
When the Mother's life is in danger it is no longer considered a abortion but rather an ectopic pregnancy.
semantics
That got very deep very quick
A fetus is not a baby. People have a hard time understanding this for some reason.
Personally I think if I get a girl pregnant and it's considered a fetus that's my responsibility now and I'm gonna keep it and raise it but I think people should get to choose and decide for themselves
Bro im 99% pro choice if the parents feel like they cant provide a decent life to there child it would be TERRIBLE to say that baby HAS to live there life because that life could conflict damage to the world/other people and a bad life for the baby its self
that's a capitalism issue
lucid's vr vids are a huge w!
Finally a vrchat video lucid ❤️❤️❤️
Elias
@@akhiosas yes
Glad to see lucid is going back to vrchat videos
i really liked this video idea, filming it in vrchat, good job lucid
Personally, I'm pro choice on the condition that if the dad doesn't want it and he does, he can walk away with no child support. Both parents have the right to walk away, but no one is forced to take care of the kid they couldn't or wouldn't otherwise.
Like the guy at 5:35
That is not how the law works though.
I think It’s either or for sure, but the right to child support is more important than the right to abortion
@@AL-lh2ht not an argument
or even a point
@@intercakefederation you are going around all my comments now to make barely readable sentences.
Saying both parents have the right to walk away sounds pretty scary. Just one parent walking out can make life harder for both the child and the parent who stays to raise them. There’s the lack of a parent to begin with, which could mean the parent would need to find ways to not leave the kid alone when they can’t be around. Plus the lack of a father or mother figure can have long effects on how the child interacts with others in ways they wouldn’t understand. The lack of father figures makes life hard for men, you probably heard something among the lines of “fatherless energy”. My mom’s lucky that I’m 20 and can take my sister home, there’s no baby sitters we know of around. Depending on the parent’s job it can also be a big hit in financials. One person will have to be the breadwinner. Lord have mercy if either the parent or kid gets sent to the emergency room. There can also be the rabbit hole of the family dynamic, how the child feels regarding their absentee parent. I somewhat understand why you’d have the position you do, but it could come at a heavy cost to the child.
The problem with "my body, my choice" is that it has no limits. For example, I could drive a car while drunk, and who are you to tell me what to do with my body? Another example is that I could k-ill anyone I want because I have the choice to move my body the way I want. You might say, "You can't hurt other people, though," but isn't this the same thing as abortion? You have the option to do whatever you want, but you are also k-illing the baby!!
That's 100% true and a very good example.
Everyday I'm walking in the streets and I see flowers in the middle of pedestrian lights saying RIP meaning... the amount of innocent people including families and kids who got brutally killed on car accidents just because drivers have a choice of drinking and driving.
Same way as saying having a choice with her body.
I wonder if you make exceptions to things like lack of financial security or rape. You already came to the conclusion that abortion is murder so you’re willing to lump all three together and think nothing more of it. Way it looks, you ain’t tryna have a conversation
vr chat vids are goated
4:12 im always a bit suspicious when someone claims to have a medical condition nowadays. Lots of people see that type of thing and say "oh that explains everything, thats what I have" despite never going to a doctor and getting it diagnosed.
Just my take on that. Dont go by medical conditions, we all freaking can say we have one or the other nowadays, what's it even matter anymore? Youre living, life goes on, despite whatever conditions. Why deprive yourself of the joy of having a child just because of that? Your parents didnt.
so you're completely ignoring the fact that some women actually die at child birth because of health complications. also, why do you care if she wants to be pregnant or not? it's not like she's gonna get an abortion, so why do you care? pro-life, more like pro-birth
@@AwesomeEv Freaking who mentioned a condition where the child birth may kill the mother. Of course thats a more complicated situation. What im talking about is people who say "oh im depressed so I cant have a kid"
@@Yipper64 alright mb but i don't think this video is an example of a woman using depression as an excuse
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i am pro choice but i agree with they guy talking about how males dont really have a say in abortion matters because it really depends on the situation of the abortion say a woman gets raped and she wants to abort, yes she should get an abortion because she never gave consent but say if a woman wants a girl and instead haves a boy and decides to abort that i do not agree because i belive that is sexism.
Pro LIFE
Sometimes its confusing if they are pro-choice for the baby or the other kind of choice.😔
i love how the comments are more intense than the actual video. one thing i notice with this whole debate is the pro-lifers seem more hostile than pro-choice since most of them have to bring up murder (how could u kill a innocent fetus omigod!1!1). yes while it's technically murder, it's more of a medical procedure. but the sad part is that its all objective. everyone in this world has different opinions. we can't agree on everything. people are gonna either support or not support abortion, and we can't do anything about it. but when it comes to pro-life, they convince other people what they can or cannot do. pro-lifers should really think about how their opinion affects other people, and make decisions for the benefit for everyone. if pro-life gets their way, half are gonna be absolutely devastated. but if pro-choice get the choice, lets be honest you guys wouldn't protest just because people have the right to have an abortion. anyway this video was good because unlike most of them on this topic, both sides were covered very fairly and they even agreed on somethings.
You DEFINITELY don't have Twitter or else you would've said the opposite thing. I've seen more people just blankly scream "MY BODY MY CHOICE" than get wrecked by the reality of this situation and be left speechless, and yet they still remain stubborn to their opinion
@@cottenedkeys wow its like you only read the first few sentences. Also most pro-choice supporters aren't hostile and just want to voice their concerns. Using twitter as example isn't fair because of its toxic environment. And you could say that pro-life are just as stubborn to their opinion as pro-choice.
@@AwesomeEv Even if you say that Twitter is a toxic place, it doesn't change the fact that one could be more stubborn or toxic than the other (For example(Twt environment = 1 + 2/ No twt = 0 +1))
@@AwesomeEv and yes, I know not all people who support pro choice are as stubborn or toxic (same goes for pro life) but It's weird when all you see is pro choicers (ik that's not a word) just stay stubborn to their opinions and even to go to the extend of blocking you on twt because they don't want to have a civil conversation
@@cottenedkeys i mean yeah, its kinda weird that pro-choice go to that extent, personally i don't know anyone that's like that. Im probably pretty biased since one half of my relatives are pro-lifers that are delusional as hell, literally impossible to have a civil conversation with (they are also anti-vax among many other things). I kinda forgot that since pro-choicers are being affected more, they will be more upset and angry than the latter. Sorry for the broad assumption.
Finally a vrchat video
Allah Almighty says in the Qur’an: “And do not kill the soul whom
Allah has forbidden except by right.” {Al-Isra’a - Verse 33}
White man with purple eyes, agree with him all the way👍
mashallah, he was spitting facts Rengoku
Imma just throw it out there its the womans choice no matter what.
I missed these videos
yo my friend is in the back ground omg
7:30 this is such a bad take in my opinion. Now we should just kill people with trauma? My father also has crazy amounts of PTSD from wars and other sad things that happened to him. So I guess my father shouldn’t live? Also my brother almost got aborted. My brother was my father figure for most of my life. I wouldn’t be the person I am today without him. My aunt cried for my mother to keep the child. And guess what, I have beautiful older brother who is a fatherly figure to me. Thank God for everything he gives us. Even if they weren’t giving to us on purpose.
I really agree with the guy with blue hair
I may not be the only one but one thing I want to say is the way he keeps it age appropriate and keeps any provocative stuff away from this video. That means by not showing any skin may be virtual or real. He is not showing any skin of any body from the woman in the video.
Idk
i already know there about to be some toxic ass debates in the comments
Yeah, it’s fun
It’s one side of well meaning people not realizing pro life laws literally are putting women in jail. They act surprised when they learn this.
"My body my choice" 🤓🤓🤓
too bad lucid cant vote for that one guy after he unregistered
1:26 This is exactly how I feel about it too. Well said.
I'm finna join the stream after watching this😈😈😈
I’m only pro choice about this issue if it comes to Women health condition and incest other than that im against it.
6:13 that’s sounds more like exploiting. Plus women are more of the subject they’re the ones who have to keep the baby alive for those months in the womb. And there are laws which limit what women can do with the baby in *their* womb. Which is why there should be social safety nets for when financial support is needed, and laws for when it’s exploited. But where America is right now, we can’t get to that point yet cause we’re still stuck on whether women have the right to get abortions or not.
VR CHAT LES GO
Bro is this real if it is then it's my first time in life seeing 🤯
The hell is going on in this video
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This is all depressing
its so sad to see people thinking abortion is ok, and yes its your body but the baby is not apart of you, its just in you
Ily lucid I’m the one who made the gay rap last Friday
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What's a V card?
V card = virgin card...lol
Bro why the hell did UA-cam shadow ban Lucid’s channel 😔
Pro choice here, having this discussion in 2022 is absolutely ridiculous and quite sad actually. Especially the whole roe vs wade situation. I truly feel sorry for y'all in the US
It’s funny that anti choice and the Taliban both agree on the same thing.
Sadly yeah, I feel as though this really shouldn’t be a debate we are having
@@zacharywoloszynski4258 the secret is next they want to debate if “the gays” should be allowed to marry.
@@AL-lh2ht nahhh, that doesn’t involve a person involuntary involved, completely different, even people like Ben Shapiro want gay marriages to be legal (just to give an example by the most popular conservative politics guy)
Roe vs Wade is about letting states choose what to do, not being anti abortion
Feel like abortion should only be available for cases like sexual abuse/rape
@@HakoTaco1 Why? What's the difference between a fetus created by a rape and a fetus created by a broken condom?
@@HakoTaco1 I'm talking about the fetus "point of view" (they can't have a POV because they are not conscious), what's the difference between being aborted if you're a product of rape and being aborted if you're a product of a broken condom? It has the same qualities, they are both fetuses
@@HakoTaco1 Right, then why are you people against abortion in case of bad birth control? What do you value about the fetus?
@@HakoTaco1 I don't believe I misunderstood, Trem here said that he's okay with abortion only in rape cases and you agreed and added the situation where mom and baby's lifes are in danger. Also why are you against abortion if it were the case when they were trying to get pregnant but then regreted doing so?
@@HakoTaco1 "because it's a life you're taking away" the same happens when aborting a fetus created by rape, there's no difference mate. What do you call "life"? Why is "life" valuable?
1:36 does he not know that baby's are living things and always have been from since it came out of the pp it's was a living thing.
this doesn't even remotely make sense do you even know how contraception works? sperm is not the fetus (let alone a baby) it's the combination of the sperm making contact with the egg in the woman.
@@AwesomeEv this was me in the video, and you said what i’m trying to say even better. I still stand by my point. If you want to end something thats never even started, then i don’t see anything wrong with that. Especially if having a baby would negatively affect your or the baby’s well being.
And in response to you, that’s a really dumb statement. PLANTS are living things. Are vegetarians murderers?
And i mean lived as in gaining consciousness , more in a moral way. Not scientifically living because obviously, a sperm is a living thing.
he's back on vr and im all for it
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1:24 I'm not going to say what side I stand on. But my god is that the worst argument I have ever heard somebody make, how does a baby being out of the womb for 2 second make it any different then it was inside the womb, she did not even try to make a good argument against what lucid said.
0:44 Is just a copy and paste argument that has been used so many times. The baby inside the womb is somebody else's body, not yours.
1:29 Is again just a very shitty copy and paste argument that has been used so many times. The baby may not have been outside the womb. But it does not mean it isn't still alive. "the baby was never born". Is not the fucking point. The point is the baby never got a chance at life.
I have scene better argument's defending lolicon then I did in this video. Say something new for once.
If people would debate like that in real life... even the most opinionated ones in this debate do not sound irrational, and do still serve reasonable answers without screaming or defaming their opposition.
IF I SCREAM LOUDER THEN I AM CORRECT.
This really should not be a debate. The fact is a fetus is not a baby. The fact is having a child when you are not ready or can’t can ruin your life. The fact is in the real world people would get abortions by either traveling or have underground of abortion doctors, you know, like exactly how it was before when abortion was illegal. It’s a fact that women would coat hanger themselves and possible get themselves killed. The fact is this will also effect poor people way worse then the wealthy.
When you are agreeing with the Taliban you really should look at yourself to see where your morality truly lies.
@@AL-lh2ht I am NOT going to try and debate that, since my thoughts on abortion are mixed and is none of my bussiness, but this is exactly what I was talking about. You are using buzzwords, such as the Taliban, to prove your point on your stance, making the other side to look stupid. But they are not.
"It should not be a debate", but it is. Life is complicated and listening to the other side without defaming it helps solving this problem.
@@AL-lh2ht If it’s legal waay more people do it because the equation changes.
@@LookAtEachOther it’s funny because it means you admit you are on the same side as the Taliban. But apparently pointing this out at the end of my fairly long comment is too much for you because you can’t get post your own conflicting beliefs. Nothing I said was a lie or buzzwords. The fact you run away shows how weak your beliefs truly are.
How do I give an award to someone for a video? I just feel like I have to because this was 10/10 and just a pleasure to watch despite the "sensitive topic.
click the "thanks" button above the subscribe and join button :)
missed the vrchat content Lucid
been a while since the last vrchat video
Yep lil lucid back in the house
I've been waiting for a long time, finally VR is back
2030: My child, my choice.
Finna be the hunger games for kids soon
just a joke relaxx
@@themagnificentorange672 Did someone actually get mad?😂
dude ong, i dont know why people want kids to grow up in an age controlled by satan. like ur kids gonna grow up addicted to tiktok and weed, would rather kill it
I get that it’s a joke but that kinda already happens. Children can get beat and CPS can’t do much if the parent hides it. I heard corporal punishment is legal in some is countries too. There was also the history of child labor back during the American industrial revolution. Of course there all the other forms of child abuse too.
Yeah, tho they apparently consider the child to be their body somehow😵 And it's hard to consider someone as being pro-choice when they practice being anti-choice by taking away the child's right to live plus, the way they act sexist towards men by saying "you have to be a woman in order to have a say on the child's life/existence"
It reminds me a bit too much of black slavery and how inhumane they've wrongly treated them too💔Just wanted to express my personal thoughts on this all too😅
PS. Not here to change any minds since everybody has a right to believe in whatever they prefer to believe in
Killing babies is wrong
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Killing fetuses is awesome!
Women being put in jail for abortion is wrong.
@@AL-lh2ht well fair enough but like… we’re not objecting, even in taliban law abortion is only punished at worse with like 160 us dollars
@@intercakefederation literally happening in america and other countries. This is what you supported.
It's crazy that you actually used the clip at 2:58, probably the funniest conversation I've ever witnessed. Goes from a full argument to a deep conversation in just 10 minutes.
Honestly thought this was a fake at the time, def subbing!
Also, to clarify, I was not the person they were talking to. That was a friend I met not even twenty minutes before Lucid joined the lobby.
I cannot understand how someone could lack so much responsibility that they're willing to have sex, immediately regret it, and then exterminate their growing child after the fact. It's so fucking saddening to me.
That one dude said it best: your body your choice, yes, but the choice is sex (and whether it's protected or not). We live in a world where degeneracy is acceptable, and in many cases actually the norm.
My take: we have almost zero scientific understanding of consciousness. The thing that allows us to experience pain, sadness, fear, etc. I sat once a fetus becomes conscious, that's when it's immoral to abort it. But we don't know when that happens. So why don't we err on the side of caution, and abort none that we were intentionally created? Similar to "better 9 criminals walk free than to accidentally convict a single innocent man."
because we all have carbon footprints and that starts to add up once people start having children.
we keep having children the planet is going to die. its as simple as that. abortions at least minimize it.
I agree
ya i agree it’s immoral to use abortion as a form of contraceptive. but where the issue lies for me, which is why i’m pro choice, is that you can either completely ban abortion, ban abortion other than when the mothers life is at great stake, or completely allow it. how i see it, there is no in betweens. let me explain my stance: i agree it’s immoral to abort as a form of contraceptive HOWEVER i don’t believe it’s immoral to abort in the case of
unconsesual sex. the issue is, however, is that how are you going to be able to prove whether it was consensual or unconsensual? by judging by if the rapist got charged for their actions? a HUGE number of rapes are never even reported to authorities. that’s a problem because now you’re going to be denying lots and lots of victims and pretty much invalidating them. not to mention you’d probably see an uprise of false accusations. okay.. so let’s say now you just take their word for it. now everyone is going to say it was unconsensual. no matter what, it doesn’t work out. a HUGE portion of rape victims are younger girls.. as in 13-17 forcing middle schoolers and high schoolers to go through something as traumatic as not only carrying for 9 months but giving birth to the child resulting from unconsensual sex. that, in my eyes, is very immoral. yes, it wouldn’t be compromising their PHYSICAL health per se but this trauma most likely will be compromising their mental and emotional health, which has been shown to permanently alter the brain. therefore, in my eyes, we should allow all abortions.
Listen if everyone is so pro life then why can't people who are pro life help those children in the foster care system it so fucked we have so many kids who have no parents if you're so pro life you shouldn't have to make your own kids and you should help these children that don't have parents if you care about life so much then help those who need that help, help those babies who were abandoned. If pro life advocates care so much about a childs life then why does it not reflect in our society kids who need it adoption shouldn't be as low as it is and the reality it's the morally right thing to do.
partly because those who do’s genes die, and having your own children is just different
The truth is they do not care about these children. They don’t. They just want to hurt women.
If pro life start adopting children, more children eventually will get parentless as parents will feel less guilty.
@@m0taro365 so we just don't adopt kids bc if too meny get adopted the parents will feel no guilt what are you talking about you are assuming some people who put their kids in foster care all feel guilt and you should know well enough not all people feel the same way about a situation hence this video where people can't agree on a subject my comment still stands if pro life cares about childrens lives they should care for the children already born who still have a terrible lives and are suffering but we just ignore it. If you're pro life you should forget the selfishness making your own kid and actually make a change in this world and help a life
@@KUZ3NBO Im not gonna read all of that, just gonna say, if you have sex and don't want kids its nonsense, you are just doing it for pleasure, same behaviour as drug addicts.
2:30 I was the girl who you friended that was yelling at you at first, was a bit tipsy 😂 but it was nice meeting you ! I got pretty serious after I realized what you were doing lmao
Hey, I don’t mean to attack you, but I’m kinda confused here. I understand (as much as a man can) how much pain and discomfort and risk a pregnancy entails. But I don’t understand how a woman could feel the life growing inside them (as you so beautifully describe), and then decide that it’s morally acceptable to kill it (barring a choice between saving their own life and saving the child). And if it’s morally wrong for them to do it, then that’s murder, and the state has a responsibility to safeguard every individual’s right not to be murdered. Yes it’s your body, but it’s a body you’re currently sharing with another person (and one you have one of the strongest of all possible obligations to as a mother).
I'm pro life as fuck. I don't give a fuck. It's my seed, and it takes two to make a baby. But I'm saving myself for my future wife ya dig!
Yessir!!!
Basically you don’t care about women
@@AE_AnarchistAlexcianEmpire69Bi I care about babies (boy or girl) more than a grown woman (or man) and Noize was talking about abstinence till marriage or at least not impregnating in a woman till marriage.
@@harkovf7090 Bro why, one is literal human being, the other is barely even existing
Also shouldn’t you treat humans with respect? They’re literally your species
@@AE_AnarchistAlexcianEmpire69Bi if your all for "treating humans with respect" then why would killing a baby be ok?
0:59 bro ran for his life lol
6:25 amazing explanation
That blue haired anime catboy was incredibly based.
it went from screaming to intellectual talk
Whether you are pro life or pro choice, none of this dilemma would happen if you are more educated about sex, can be more aware of the consequences of free sex and know the ways to significantly reduce the risk of unwanted pregnancy. Sex *can* have consequences and it's not just something people should toy around for fun.
You realize that a big portion of abortions are due to rape... Right?
But nahhh America don’t wanna do more sex education.
As if pregnancies only ever come from consensual sex
i feel like the anonymity of vrchat gets us some really valuable takes
This really should not be a debate. The fact is a fetus is not a baby. The fact is having a child when you are not ready or can’t can ruin your life. The fact is in the real world people would get abortions by either traveling or have underground of abortion doctors, you know, like exactly how it was before when abortion was illegal. It’s a fact that women would coat hanger themselves and possible get themselves killed. The fact is this will also effect poor people way worse then the wealthy.
When you are agreeing with the Taliban you really should look at yourself to see where your morality truly lies.
@@AL-lh2ht as a pro choicer saying that this "shouldnt be a debate" does not help our case.
@@wtfimcrying “your opinion is invalid” pulls people further down what they already believe (this does weaken people to trolls thought which is kinda sad)
@@wtfimcrying should the gays be allowed to marry? This is the same level of debate we have here.
@@AL-lh2ht this is nowhere near the same level of debate because you arent taking away anything with gay marriage. this comparison sucks.
Life is precious end of story
I think no one should be happy to abort a baby… but I do think it should be the option in rare cases. But if you don’t want a baby. Just don’t fuck, or just use anything to prevent the baby from being born.
5:19 that right there. The choice was made since y'all went to the bedroom
，uhhh rapist tho
This only makes sense if you know nothing about the world
What about rape?
@@AL-lh2ht Said the guy who doesn't know sex is literally the way humans reproduce
@@bigOlMonke you realize that that makes up a TINY percentage of the amounts of abortions that actually happen per year? Instead of talking about minority cases and exceptions you should focus on the majority of cases which is people doing stuff they shouldn't do then not be willing to accept responsibility and just take the easy way out by killing the baby in the first place. It's like killing whatever inconveniences you, but for some reason this is normalized because it's a baby and it's a woman doing it
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Guy with the blue hair speaking facts 💯
This is gonna be a long one:
I was someone who should have 100% been aborted.
My birth resulted in the death of my mother, it's complicated to get into but plain and simply if I wasn't ever born she would be alive today.
She was loved by everyone and plenty of family members have told me how amazing and beautiful she was, some of the older ones mistook me for her when I was a teenager, cause I look like her twin copy, they would call me by her name so often I lost touch of my own name.
I feel alot of guilt for her death since it's my fault.
She left behind my older brother who she wanted and planned for, he's a pretty normal person (unlike me) and he misses her even though she died back in 07.
I was born with a bunch of health issues, one being I can't eat properly, most foods do not digest properly and leave me unable to even shit more than once every 5 days, as you can imagine that makes you pretty weak and disabled, I have issues like anorexia (had since I was even able to spell my full name), malnourishment, weak bones, alot, and I mean ALOT of allergies (dairy of example has put me into a state of shock and sent my ass to the hospital) and a very weird misplaced hip (I was born with it, can't even get jeans in my size that hold up properly cause of it, and yeah I can't walk properly).
I also have learning disabilities which would just be a pain in the ass to list, and to be blunt I don't know half of them since I'm still on NHS long waiting lists.
That being said, I wish abortion was more accepted, I shouldn't be alive, I mean I hardly am as it is, more so surviving than living. I don't think it's fair to force disabled people like me to live.
It'd be selfish if I just offed myself.
Just think how upset you'd be as a parent if your baby came out disabled and in agony, unable to have normal bodily functions and wishing to be dead, you'd wish you saved all their pain and aborted them.
If it would be ok, or even morally right, to kill a child in the womb because we believe it will suffer later, then why wouldn’t it be ok to kill a sleeping newborn who we think will suffer later?
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.” -Tolkien
None of us know the future. None of us know the value someone will see or not see in their own life, whether they live a life of suffering or leisure. None of us have the knowledge necessary to pass judgement on someone else’s existence and declare it evil or good.
I hope you one day find meaning in your life. I’m sorry for everything that has happened to you.
based
You’re 14 there’s much for you to learn still
@@Epictheargonianwho are you to police their feelings about being disabled WHAT
only in the amazing usa would you have a discussion from the 1800s. go free world! and of course you chose people that can't argue against your stance lol. Simply disgusting.
@@HakoTaco1 keep comforting yourself, american
@@HakoTaco1 I'm happy for you then
Honestly this topic hits really hard because I was raped only a few days before the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and there was a really high chance that I would've gotten pregnant from it as it was during my ovulation period. The man who raped me stole my first kiss and my virginity, and to this day I'm grateful that I didn't get pregnant from him. I am pro-choice, but I wouldn't say that I'm pro-abortion because I do want a child someday, and I want to conceive it with someone I love, not with someone who violated me. However, having abortions available will give women the option to safely abort a fetus if it is needed. Abortions are needed not just because of an accidental pregnancy, but it can also aid in miscarriages or still birth that aren't able to be removed naturally. But to prevent an accidental pregnancy, I do believe that contraception should be more readily available.
the whole trauma from adoption arguement is stupid its better to have trauma and he alive than just be dead
Umm absolutely not