Tower fans are kind of weird
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- I have always wondered what makes the vertical blower drum in a tower fan blow forward as opposed to any random direction. Playing around with a physical model, I observed some interesting behaviour.
The Dreo fan is the Dreo Pilot max tower fan
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I'm a long time viewer, and you have managed to make some of the most interesting sponsored videos I have seen on UA-cam. I hope these types of videos are paying off for you.
i bought the air cleaner he did a video on the other week, its v nice. but only because hes matthias would i buy anything from youtube
agree! really cool that you found a sponsor that you feel you can support without compromising your integrity. and hey it seems like they actually make pretty good stuff too! will probably check some of their products out ^o^
I agree. It's weird that it all works so well together. I'm so very impressed.
Now I'm really curious and want to see a smoke machine with them all to visualize the flow better.
i thought the same.
I agree
It would be even more amazing to see the block/cage interaction within a smoke generator.
I imagine when the air starts flowing in one direction it must create a low pressure on that side that forces incoming air into filling it. The block of wood must work like a wing, creating a pressure differential.
Agree. The comparison of the block of wood with a wing is quite relevant
I never thought about how a tower fan actually worked....now I understand it's magic
This is my conclusion as well. Now the question is which kind of magic?
I think it's likely *Voodoo* or possibly some form of *Druid Magic.*
Hopefully the next video will let us know.
Warrior of Chaos: Beyond your comprehension
THANK you! I've been searching for half an hour for an actual explanation of why these fans blow on one side and not just equally all around. Finally, I stumbled upon your video, which makes perfect sense, and kind of confirms what I had guessed at myself (that the positioning of the vents sets up some kind of high-pressure/low-pressure imbalance that pushes the air through.) I certainly hadn't imagined that it could be switched from one side to the other on the fly like that. So that was pretty amazing.
I appreciate your sponsored content just as much as your original project videos. Thank you.
@Milan Velky 😆
More sponsored content like this please, never thought about how these would work. Now I am wondering why not make them diagonal ❤️😊
Less space-efficient I imagine.
Prasanth! Another of my favorite channels
By diagonal do you mean have helical blades instead of vertical ones?
There must be “pockets” of air circulating that is trapped around the squirrel cage. That block of wood disrupts it, permitting such movement. This is pretty fascinating for a layman. I’d like to get an physics/aerodynamic explanation of this.
I wonder if it might be worth asking the action lab... Or Steve mould
Agreed, but Mathias probably got close to the actual aerodynamics. Really would've been cool to see a smoke test to look at the flow characteristics.
At a glance, I'd have to wager it's probably either that, as the cage spins without the wedge, it creates vortexes on the outside that process around and away from the cage as it spins kinda like planetary gear set, and as one hits the bag, you see the bag flutter between moments of high and low pressure. By placing the wedge, it both blocks that procession and biases the output which then also biases the input. You get a high pressure zone at the wedge and a low pressure zone on its other side. It's basically just how some floor vacuums work - or at least a couple I've taken apart.
Or its all about turbulent flow. There's just enough points of low pressure in the cage, air is able to circulate due to centripetal force providing enough impetus to outflow, but the wedge has more or less the same effect in organizing flow.
Would really love a smoke test with this one to better visualize it!
smoke visualization would be amazing to see I'd think
maybe someone can make a Fan based on this for the Fan Showdown :D
You just made a switchable bistable with that fan! I'm now imagining some sort of mad circuit with fans controlling other fans' directions 🤣
A fan computer!
Rube Goldberg materials!
@@Pixelarter its a sr latch.
Not sure how you pulled that off Matthias! Making a video about a fan? Kind of like making a video about paint drying. But sure enough, interesting content as always!
Technology Connections would like to have a word about 30 minute videos on mundane things.
He done wood drying.... Sure paint will come one day with humidity and temp sensors using an Arduino.
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Not the first time, sir. Don't you remember way back when the lawnmower videos went out there? I think Matthias started that, and then Jimmy Diresta copied, and I forget how many other makers followed suit.
Surely he's done paint drying already? This type of stuff is why I'm here.
@@leonclose7823 he's done some painting..... But can't find any science on the drying.... So new video idea? 💡
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Wat.
I swear, you have some of the best sponsored content. And that reflects well on the sponsors that they're willing to let you do things like this or take their stuff apart.
Also we definitely need some smoke and simulation analysis on how the heck these fans work, that's pretty cool and not particularly intuitive, most I've seen pull from the top as well.
You always do the best sponsored videos. Informative about the subject, and good real world testing on the sponsored item.
That’s so cool! Especially how you were able to change direction of how it was blowing. I’ve always wondered what made these fans work
Thank you Dreo for letting Matthias play around, productively, with one of your products.
I found the video has raised a whole bunch of questions. Look forward to the next one Matthias.
When you do your performance comparison, I hope you measure air flow relative to noise. Most air moved for the least amount of noise is usually what I'm most interested in.
I never turn my fan up to the point I can hear it,
low speed on fans is highly underrated
Yeah, just measuring the wind speed is not enough, it also depends on how wide and high the air stream is.
Thanks for this. I've been puzzling over how my tower fan worked ever since I got it (though not enough to try experiments). Now I'm left to wonder how they were invented. Someone noticing the effect on accident, or someone with good understanding of the fluid dynamics that realized it could work before building it.
I would guess by accident. These things have been around much longer than computational fluid dynamics.
I’m glad you test the products that you do sponsored videos of. It shows the sponsor has faith in there products and your showing comparatively how good the product is not just telling up its good. Thank you.
Thanks Sir for such a great explanation. Experimental setup is astonishing!
Finally. I’ve been wondering how the design looks inside ever since i peeked inside my mini split 3 yrs ago.
Wonderful demonstrations of the flipping back and forth, really suprised me with the compressed air.
Well integrated promotion, showing the fan off while keeping it interesting
For what it’s worth, I’ve never bought something from a UA-cam sponsored video before, but I ended up buying two of these Dreo fans. I bought one first, and loved it so much that I bought another one. I like to run my fans at a low speed, and when you run these Dreo fans at their low speeds they are literally silent. I’m not joking. I cannot hear them at all at their low speeds, yet they’re moving plenty of air for me to feel comfortable. They are pricy, but in my experience they are worth every penny.
The only sponsored video on the internet that I don't stop immediately... It was quite interesting!
Thank you for your effort, it's interesting that the air flow direction has to be "initialized".
Dreo fan on amazon: Temporarily out of stock.
Either something went very wrong or very right :D
out of stock for canada, not for USA
Probably be in stock on July 1st to avoid paying a dime for the promotion. 🤔😂
The Dreo fan is the Dreo Pilot max tower fan
Get the fan using this link: woodgears.ca/dr/tf
15% discount code for Dreo website, valid until Nov 15 2022: 9RP733E2X9Z0
Disclaimer I haven't done fluid dynamics for 3 years or so, but here are some quick thoughts:
I think perhaps the addition of the block next to the squirrel cage has two effects. One it breaks the symmetry of the air flow and turbulence around the cage; without the block there's a lot of vortices symmetrically around the cage and the streamlines stick to the circular cage. By breaking the symmetry and importantly adding that let's say ramp for the streamlines to shed off of, air can now flow away from and off the vicintiy of the cage. This is why you get faster flow of air in a single direction, I think.
When there's two blocks symmetrically around the cage it really comes down to (luck/) the tiny microscopic differences between one ramp and the other since flowing from either side is a stable configuration - think similarly to if you placed a ball perfectly on top of a wedge, it's going to fall off but really it's just a matter of chance which side. By blocking one intake or the other you then forcefully remove one of the possible stable states so then it flows in the direction that's left.
For the fireplace unit blower and adding the block; another factor in why the air moves faster might be because you're restricting the cross-sectional area for the air, but the volume rate of change is still the same, so if the area is smaller then the velocity outwards must be bigger. Similar to gripping a water hose to make the water go out faster.
I'd love to hear other's opinions on this!
The fireplace fan is riding the fan curve (resistance/static pressure vs air flow). This is a forward curved blade centrifugal fan, the added resistance of the piece of wood brings the fan performance closer to it's peak efficiency.
The only sponsored videos I've enjoyed on all of UA-cam! :) I love the science behind this stuff. Also, it would be interesting to try a smoke test with the squirrel cage fan and see if you can see exactly what's going on.
Brilliant!
Dreo made a really good call on sponsoring you in particular, you've made legitimately interesting content around them, really appreciate that
Would be amazing if you could continue this sort of sponsored content - just as long as you can be completely honest with your review. Thanks for sharing!
All I know is only Matthias could get me to watch a 5 minute promotional video all the way. Excellent, thanks
This dude always makes good videos that I didn't know I was interested in.
I like the end where fan noise levels are compared. Tower fans really shine in this regard. I want that Dreo Pilot max tower fan but it's pretty expensive.
Latching fan, can work as a memory. Imagin computer based on small fan units with small fins changing its state
Ive always wondered about this, and this is me finally deciding to find out. My best guess was some kind of enclosure shape magic. Super clever.
wow, just what i needed.
your demo makes it so clear whats going on with the air flow.
I always was wondering how on earth these work. I have small heater for inside of the car and I just couldn't understand how it was possible to work. Thanks to you now I know!
Thanks! I was trying to ask this to the person at the shop where I bought my tower fan, but I couldn't even get them to understand the question.
I call these tangential blowers. I have a small one taken from a dead scam cube heater that I replaced the C frame shaded pole induction motor with a brushless DC motor and now it is low voltage, portable, and variable speed.
This is similar to high lift blades on a commercial lawn mower. If the mower gets clogged a bit , it will affect the discharge direction
This is a good type of sponsored content. They don't have that JD Powers and Associates "vote the shiniest bumper for the last 5 years" feel, either.
Never watched your content before, this video is great.
Have a NZ made fan heater with the same fan setup - horizontally mounted fan. 1982 production year
Always wondered why it seemed to ran backwards sometimes
I have a tower fan, because it reminded me of the cross flow fan in the heating/ac of my car.
this is a fascinating application of physics.
Most youtube videos (in my experience) have titlies that oversell how interesting the content is going to be. This is a case where the title is a complete understatement re: how interesting the content is!
This is how to do great sponsored content. Good job.
I hope the companies who sponsor you appreciate it.
I like the sponsored content where you take their stuff apart. Shows the company is confident in their engineering... or ignorant enough to just not care what people find.
interesting. i think the reason the small block could to that is it creates a high pressure and low pressure sides. the low pressure side of the block makes it mostly the sucking side of the the fan. 2:13 well this matters because there is no way for it to get/suck air except from its top/open side.
smoke testing could reveal some of the operation
I don't know why but I think your sponsored videos are fine. I don't mind them at all. I actually enjoy them quite a lot.
Diese bauart von Gebläsen wird auch in vielen Mähdreschern verbaut. Zum Reinigen des Dreschgutes auf den sieben wird ein breiter und vorallem gleichmäßiger Luftstrom, der von unten durch die Siebe nach oben srömt benötigt. Somit werden Spreu, Staub und Kaff nach hinten in die Spreuverteiler und somit aus der maschiene geblasen.
There was a window fan sold a few years ago that used this principle, the Lakewood LPRW3 with dial controls, and LPRW3-D with digital controls. It had a physical lever to direct air inward or out, without changing fan rotation. In many ways it was the best window fan, but is not sold anymore.
There are other blower-style window fans on the market now, but they're marketed as premium models with prices near $100. Also there seems to only be two blower-style window fans that I can find available in the U.S. as of June 2022, the "Sharper Image Portal XT" and the "Vornado Transom", both of which can electronically switch between intake and exhaust. I'd like to see how they accomplish that, if it's some kind of moving actuator redirecting air, similar to how it was done in this video.
I didn't know about that ability of squirrel fans. Thank you Matthias for showing me something that is new to me.
Sponsor, "Out product is made of plastic and metal."
"I'm testing it with wood!!!"
Very interesting test and really weird behavior of air flows. And that Dreo tower fan has some impressive output!
What's really cool is Air is actually a Fluid!! And therefore obeys fluid dynamics! I am sure you knew that Mathias, just pointing it out. :)
I just watched a 5 and a half minute commercial about a fan......and can't wait for part two!
My bet is that the block introduces a pressure difference. Air hitting the block directly creates a high pressure zone and the region right after it decreases in pressure. Air flows to the low pressure zone naturally.
Always wondered how these things worked as they are used in split ac units and ive never seen any side intakes 😅😂
Thank you for this video 😁👍
Very interesting, I never would have expected the air flow to react like that when you introduced the wedge. It's a simple way to reverse the flow on the fan with one moving part.
Matthias manages to find where the angles of interest are in even the seemingly mundane of devices. I'm sure the engineers that make these innovations can appreciate his analysis.
Very cool technology on the Dreo. I have the Ridgid 18V Hybrid Fan, it also has a lot of interesting fan technology. There is a ribbed design on the fan blades that makes them quiet, it's small but decent 475cfm, variable speed, can be aimed in almost any direction. Set to about 20% speed I can hardly hear it and feel the air still from about 15 feet away due to the vortex the duct and grill create with the air. The hybrid design is great, on a 4ah battery it will run all day on that setting or take the battery out and use a standard 3 prong extension cord. This being a shop fan is not in the same category as the Dreo but these type of shop fans are something you can also make an interesting video on.
Have been wondering how tower fans have worked for years. Thanks for the explanation.
It would be worth to do high-speed camera airflow video with some colored smoke... I wouldn't have guessed that the topic will be so interesting. Congrats on taking a mundane object and discover the level of engineering behind!
It’s comforting to know I’m not the only one that lies awake in bed thinking about fans and air movement.
Enjoyed this preview immensely. Looking forward to the in depth version as only Mathias can do.
Assuming these people know what you're test vids are like, sending it to you really does show that they've got quite a lot of confidence in their product
Is it possible to get the top of the cylinder to blow in one direction, and the bottom to blow in another?
How little of the vertical height needs to be obstructed for it to be stable? That is, could you make a full hight tower fan 'oscillate' by moving a tiny obstruction around?
Being able to control which side of the cage it comes out of reminds me of Matt Parker's domino computer. With patience you could maybe make half adder
I've been a fan of Matthias for years.
Have to be brave to give your products to Matthias, he will literally tear them apart. Love these REAL sponsored videos
All your "fans" gathered in the same room
I can add that i am a huge fan! You blow me away with this video
I didn't mind the occasional relevant sponsored video previously, but now it feels like they have taken over the channel.
Fantastic experiments, Matthias! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
3:00 that is SO FRIGGIN COOL.
Possibly the only kind of sponsored video I don't dislike watching!
There were even blower fan addons for pcs that would blow into 5" drive bays, but the bearings would go out too quickly.
I think this is a boundary layer effect. The inside of the rotor is not engaged with the air in any meaningful way, and I even suspect that a solid rotor with no holes would perform similarly.
I suspect that the block of wood is literally just shaving the high velocity air entrained around the spinning rotor away at that particular point, creating a pressure gradient that favors air moving toward the positive tangential slope of the obstacle.
This could be tested by wrapping that squirrel cage blower in something to seal it and trying again. Maybe a grocery bag and some elastic bands.
Of course he turns a friggin fan into a sponsorship and cool lesson.
What kind of sorcery is that? 😱
Doing a good job I guess.
No units left on amazon! 😊
Hello mate, I'd love to see you run some of these experiments on your mini split AC. I always wondered whether it's more power efficient to run it at cool and low fan speed or high fan speed and medium temperature
interesting stuff. the only way to improve would be if you had a smoke machine to visualise some of the air currents :D
The white tall one in the centre….that’s your biggest fan right there
Wonder what would happen if the ends of the long squirrel cage were opened up?
That was very interesting. I integrated these kind of fans in industrial applications several times, but I was not aware that this is essentially a dynamic phenomenon.
Never thought I would see Mattias make fan service videos.. :)
Very interesting construction. Didnt know it worked in that way.
I think this is the first time I've watched a video about a sponsored product and then immediately went out and bought it. The $26 credit was a nice bonus, and the fan seems very impressive. Tell your sponsor that the video generated at least one sale lol. Mine comes on Thursday so I'll be anxious to see how well it works.
Still happy with my Dreo purchase. It sits nicely in the corner without taking any real space and keeps us cool. I just took it out to the garage and cleaned it... that's the only bummer thing is they do get dirty but then so does every fan.
Need more information on how those obstructions equate to wind direction?
Very nice demonstration of how, what I assume to be, a low pressure area affects that type of impeller setup!
On a side note not sure if I'm just getting old or what but the cost of goods these days seems ridiculous to me. I followed the Amazon link and kinda went meh, I'll just be warm instead.
tower fans are more expensive than propeller type fans. Just get an old fashioned fan.
Exactly the kind of sponsored video I’d expect, one that actually teaches something. I’d quite like to see some sort of idea of how directional the fans are in comparison with one another, there’s a few ways to tackle that issue. Also I hope you use the good old “how long to fill a garbage bag” test so we can see actual airflow, plus a power consumption comparison. I’d be surprised if it came out to be more efficient than the standard airscrew design, but these initial results are promising. If you had a 3D printer you could do a bunch of fan geometry tests (or do machine learning iterative simulated fan design) which might be interesting, though I know the former is being done to some extent already here on UA-cam.
The unexpected directionality reminds me a bit of the Magnus effect.
I see they follow the Spinal Tap method of making things more powerful. @ 4:02, This one goes up to 12.
As a side note, we bought the DREO air purifier you discussed in a previous video -- we liked it so much, we now have 3.
Yes, it goes to 12. But at 10, it's as powerful as a lot of other fans. So perhaps appropriate numbering. I'm surprised at how hard that one blows.
If it wasn't for the fact that dreo seems to only be marketed in the US and I'm Europe, I would actually consider some of these products. It does kind of say a lot about their confidence in their own product that they are letting someone who likes to tinker play with their products rather than just having someone read out a list of talking points that doesn't really say anything at all because every other similar product is saying the exact same things.
Great video. This type of sponsored content I will gladly watch!
Great video. Great science for people like me who stare at things and wonder how does it do that.
The red bag Matthias is using is a bag that held 3 bags of milk. Canadian trivia. :)
What if the block of wood was set at an angle against the spinning fan drum?
Think helically shaped and coiled along the length of the spinning fan? Maybe just along 50% of the circumference of the drum.
Edit: changed diameter to circumference
My initial suspicion was that the case design creates an imbalance in pressure which makes it easier to suck air from one side, or push it out the other.
What you do is, you deflect a part of otherwise homogenous airflow and direct it outward, thus tilting the pressure balance and jump starting the airflow direction.
In a way it is very comparable to the way specific types of motors work.
That said, you do have airflow directing fins on the front and just holes on the back.
Oh and when comparing the output you should factor in motor power and angular width (and height on some models) of the airflow, also the area of the exhaust.
I am a mechanical engineer and I have always had a hard time understanding squirrel cage blowers with all their various vane shapes and orientations - forward, backward, and straight. This makes it even more confusing. I have a vertical fan like the Dreo and never could understand how it blows in one direction. I still don't. Thanks for trying to explain it to me.
After filming that, I drilled a hole in the plexiglass and stuck a stick with a flag on it in there, this was very enlightening. Almost worth another video!
I don't usually watch sponsored content, but when I do, it's Matthias random stuff.