funny how people who have probably never been to the site, haven't a single clue about the archaeological work or archaeological sciences, sees themselves fit to challenge and question the expert IN CHARGE of the work (until his death), just to confirm their supernatural/it-must-be-aliens bullshit theories. excellent lecture.
@@drod2k1 Jordan Peterson does the same thing: Grab a bit of truth and wrap it in BS. Just because there are a couple of facts sprinkled in, doesn't make his imagination even remotely accurate.
They were excavating for a new building in London and stopped to excavate plague burials and lining the deep site were the foundations/supports for the future building. Those supports were shaped just like these pillars. It it a logical support form for buildings? Edit: and anyone notice the similarity between their carvings and the carvings in ancient construction in south america?
The late Mr. Schmidt was quite wrong when saying at 13:15 until 14:20 that the taulas of Menorca never have reliefs and are therefore different monolithic structures. My present work shows that the biggest taula, the one at Trepucó (Bintaufa, near Mahón), shows engravements in its southern face, consisting of 29 diagonal lines, at an angle of 50º, one of them showing a well drawn "Z" or "S" pattern. This corresponds to astronomical features, such as the ecliptic angle represented along with the apparent retrograde movement of a planet, such as Mars, Jupiter or Saturn. Additionally, the taulas have astronomical orientations (Hochsieder and Knösel), and, what is more, are systematically located in enclosures composed of 12 pillars too, all of which points to the model of astronomical calendar. In my opinion these buildings, such as Gobekli Tepe, and Taula enclosures, are evidences of a funerary-calendaric architectural representation of the cosmogony of the people transiting from paleolithic hunter-gatherer cultures, to neolithic farmer culture, where storage and planting of seeds was calculated with astronomical references, and which gave a pre-scientific explanation for the astronomical elements. This is why the figures and architectural elements in Gobekli Tepe represent lunisolar symbols, as well as asterisms, in a protoscientific fashion reminiscent of the hunter-gatherer animist religion/spitiruality, where the animals related to death, such as snakes, wolves, boars, eagles and vultures, together with strength, such as bulls, can be found (bulls are still today used in the basque region to move megaliths, as a rural sport called Idi probak). In Menorca and Mallorca bull head sculptures also have been found, just like in Çatal Hoyuk, etc., proving a common neolithic culture in the mediterranean area, very probably influenced by Indian Vedic knowledge and mythology, where astronomy gave a crucial key to interpret the natural fertility and rebirth cycle of the agricultural year (sun-based) and feminine reproductory cycle (moon-based), along with funerary rituals, as well as an evolved mythical explanation of the night sky. The night sky was very certainly considered as a hemispherical turning vault, sustained on the head by one or two god-like giants, represented as the central pillars. The day shadows of the enclosure pillars at solstices and equinoxes would be used to mark the referential year-round ephemerides. In several funerary caves in Menorca the roof is sutained by these T-shaped pillars, carved from host rock. Regarding the belted antropomorph reliefs at Gobekli Tepe, it seems obvious that these represent the transition from lunar to asterismic central references. The belted character is certainly the hunter god, later known as Orion, with its known belt (Orion belt), who kills the lunar reference, the wolf, and makes his loincloth out of its fur. The zenithal constellation of the bird (cygnus) is also represented by the birds there, along with zodiac animals like the scorpion, etc.. gonzalo_calvo@yahoo.com
In my opinion the pillar 43 shows the flood myth. The top three figures are round boats called coracles. The animals next to them show the cargo. They are floating on water. The land is shown under the water as the line of squares. The V shapes are waves on the water.
I would love to visit it. Especially the Museum with the found artifacts.But the region doesn’t seem attractive to me as a solo travelling women. Although I know someone who was there. But they were lucky (or rich) enough to fly in by helicopter. I hope Turkey will lend some pieces to international museums.
SO basically a lot of the animal symbols and whatnot are old hieroglyphs. Like the one with the vulture, snake, hair and probably water lines. If it is a name seal it would be something like Ah-foon-nun, or something along those lines and whatever that means. If its based on the other side of the concept than its representing a process of a creation story since the vulture would represent the day and the Sun, the snake as emerging from the underworld, the hare with "being" and the water as the primal waters of creation.
The spot with the two square openings side by side,,,what if they went in one opening,as they walked around,maybe prayed at each T colum ,then you go around til you go out the other square opening...and when you come out maybe it's like you do your daily prayers....it's an awesome idea,,,and if it's true,its like somthing to go through and come out the other side like a haunted house or a paint gallery
It reminded me of the stations of the cross in a catholic church, same thought crossed my mind. Immediately imagining a winding snake body made of the collective, flowing through the site from T pillar to T pillar.
If you are a hunter - catching bush meat, and your neighbor is a gatherer - producing vegetables, then what you both most need is a market, so both of you can have lamb shish kebab in pitta bread (this is Turkey). The most valuable creation in this society would be a market. The market owner would be very powerful and able to command the movement of large stones which supported a roof over the trading floor. The markings on the pillars are probably the names of the traders (or their families) who traded below the signs. (Probably some are graffiti - one man's fertility symbol is another man's porn). Over time, I would expect the markets for different types of goods to be spun off into different trading halls - you probably don't really want the meat traded in the same hall as grain, or the (dry) grain in the same halls as (wet) grapes, tomatoes and peppers.The bird signs may have indicated egg merchants. I don't know what vulture's eggs taste like, but the guy with the vulture sign might just have "made a killing" on the trading floor - "wolves of Gobeklitepe" predate Wall Street by a good few years. While it was wild animals, they would have been butchered off-site, but as domesticated ones took over, there would have been a trade in livestock. The big circles with separate bays look ideal for livestock auctions. People engaged in animal husbandry having access to livestock markets would explain the very rapid selective breeding of animals and vegetables for specialized use. This, in turn, leading to the ability to have large communities. In most of the world the "market town" is a well known concept in rural areas, even today. Of course, I am not sure how they would have held "auctions" without money - maybe the teenage boys traded sheep for porn - without an Internet, what else could they do ;-} There is also the issue of clothing. Only some people would have been any good at sewing - and they were probably no use at killing wild boar, or baking bread. A successful hunter would definitely want to wear fine clothes at the party when seeking a partner between hunts. And the bakers would want to compete with the hunters. I guess the sites were abandoned and buried after serious outbreaks of killer disease, owing to lack of understanding of hygiene.
I forgot to say, the owner of the market and the traders, may well have been women - markets are often the realm of women in Africa. The big, fat woman was likely the person who owned/ran the market - statues of her could have been tokens saying you had the right to use a stall.
So, as the builders of Gobeklitepe transitioned from less sophisticated Hunter Gatherers to more sophisticated sedentary agriculturalists their building skills degraded? They moved forward and backward in civilization .. at the same time?
Tell me if Im wrong, but they buried them every 80-100 years? Could these be dynasties? Or maybe King and Queen circled by the tribes/families that follow?
27:13 that picture on the right with the large stones in a cluster - one of them clearly has a circular inclusion that looks like deliberately poured metal perhaps. You can see what looks like iron oxide from it across the right side as if it didn't always used to be sitting on the angle it is now, but perhaps used to sit 90degrees clockwise if you turned it from the top so the reddish stain points down. There was an Australian geologist at the last Nexus conference talking about rocks with these deliberate inclusions in them here in Australia. They were on a smaller scale, but he'd probably flip his lid if he saw that photo.
Şu videonun 49:40. dakikasında söz alan "benim bir sorum yok ama birkaç fikrim var" diye başlayan adam profesöre ne diyor biriniz sevabınıza çevirsin nolur çok merak ettim😢 hem altyazıcı çevirmiyor, hem moderatör susturmaya çalışıyor hem prof. yorumsuz kaldı. Bende merak pik yaptı.
Nevali Chori is not a Turkish word. It’s a Kurdish word. Neval means a valley or a stream. Chor is the number 4. Literally translates to “the four valleys/streams”. Gobekli Tepe is a wrongly translated word from the real Kurdish name. The actual name in Kurdish is “Gîre Mîrazan”. “Gire” means “hill” and “Mîrazan” means “Wishes” which literally translates as “hill of the wishes”. In the Turkish there no term for belly button so they only translated it as “belly”. Like the many miss translated Kurdish words due to the assimilation politics of turkey against the Kurdish population. There is a tree at gobeklitepe which Kurds still go to this day and make wishes. Which means Kurds have kept the sacredness of this region still to this day. Someone from the audience asks where were people who built these monuments living. Dr Schmidt answers, in nevale core. This whole region of the Neolithic megaliths are only present in the Kurdish area. If You watch the previous symposium you will see the builders of Gire Mîrazan (gobeklitepe) are Kurds. Unfortunately Turkey is not bright enough to give the Kurdish people their rights so they can reveal their history.
Çaput bağlanan ağacın altından çıktığı söylenen tabletin bir eşine daha rastlandı mı kazılarda? O ağacın altında daha farklı tablet ya da kalıntıların da olması beklenmez mi? Bu T biçimindeki sütunların insanı tasvir ettiği sonucuna nasıl varıyoruz?, bu soyutlamayı nasıl yaptığımız tam olarak açıklanamadı.İnsan heykellerinde ağızın yapılmamış olması da ilginç!
How do we know that this isn't just an area too keep animals at bay? Or even an enclosure for children? And the animals were carved there to keep the kids entertained?
That building is very complicated and luxury for that times. And if you want to build something like that you must co oparate with other people. This is so difficult for that time periiod. I think this luxury and work only would for gods
I think the purpose of the pillars was just to hold up the roof, which was probably made of trees and brush. I think they didn't yet understand architectural engineering principles well enough to build a structure that had a stone roof, which would be incredibly heavy. I think Gobeklitepe was just a town. It's still a very special archaeological find.
Christopher Milford i do too...odd how none of these people even have a clue.as.to.what the environment looked like back then...and the changes these.people saw even in one life time. .just like we are.getting ready to go thru....and I will tell u.as.a farmer...watchi g animals and especially insects is a more sure way of.predicting weather. For.example fire ants will build huge mounds if its gonna rain heavily in the next 24 hours....thst is the most obvious insect indicator you can see even driving around...early freezes are easily seen in nut trees leaves. People have a hierarchy and they do not put so much work into such a structure unless it protects them from real dangers...and even midevil churches provided shelter and food to travelers especially ones thst needed security. O hate bow they always say oh it was religious haha...a.starving cold person who is under.attack could give a.shit about religion.
Remy Medin I agree there is a strong argument that could be made that the pillars are supporting columns for a roof. The cup holes I noticed on one of the sites are all very very similiar, which to me suggest a purpose for structural engineering/rigging of wood products. Those cup holes are a great non slip surface. Thanks for pointing this out. On another note I think these bags with handles are a reference to gathering/planting seed. This could also have a double meaning as seed for life. On this note there is one snake relief that looks more like a sperm and egg - “Life” symbol.
Unfortunately, the moderator sometimes sets himself on the wrong track with his statements about the interpretation of monoliths and their pictorial language. The key questions and answers are as follows: 1. Why are the monolites, which apparently represent bodies in a human-like form, headless or faceless? Answer: The T-shaped stone columns do not represent gods, but are an expression of the soul journey after death, or rather of the contemplative consciousness, which could be experienced meditatively by priests or similar dignitaries during their lifetime. Blind and felt experienced, with closed eyes, in a concentrative, distant state, therefore the abstract design of the upper parts. 2nd. Zoomorphic Juncture: What do the animal motifs in the lower part of the stone column mean? They mean the metamorphosis of the animal drive soul to a higher consciousness, or the refinement of the drive nature and the transformation to a higher being, in meditative practice, the mastery of ethereal powers, with the aim of mastering the ascent into the divine world after the death of the body through a metamorphosis. Third thing is: "Ithiphalism:" Erect phalli on anthropomorphic figures or stone carvings have nothing to do with fertility symbolism, but symbolize the awakened kundalini, the transformed sexual energy which is called snake power or dragon power in yoga and meditation. It enables the metamorphosis as an ennobled being to ascend to the gods after death. (Extensively discussed in the book: "Wanderer zwischen den Welten" and Seelenwanderung in der Antike by Dr. Ferdinand Ledwig).
it is a history of the people of the kurdish.. why don't you say that .. The territory of Turkey is not there and the name is not Göbekli tepe noooooooo
In days of gobekli tepi there were no turks or kurds... And if i could have a little advice... Take your nationalism (same should do all other dumb nationalists), crush it into small ball and throw it away.. Its making you and whole region very sick...
Человечество впервые с Пророком Адамом во второй раз с Пророком Ноем начнется в Месопотамии Chelovechestvo vpervyye s Prorokom Adamom vo vtoroy raz s Prorokom Noyem nachnetsya v Mesopotamii
As i know kurds come anatolia and mesopotamia from Iran . Kurdish langue is just modified persian and kurds are genetically relative with persians . The myth your origin is mesopotamia just political
@@zahiddogan This is right.As a northern Kurdish man i know The kurds original homeland were Zagros mountains West İran northern iraq.The kurds were'nt mesopotamian people.But in 700 800 years after jesus they came mesopotamia
When they first announced this place they said it had been deliberately buried...sure don't look like in any of the pictures I HAVE seen....so they still say this? Grave...yeah right...maybe you all should check the weather
On some pillars are visible hands and other stylisations into human body... www.waofestival.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/MAIN-gobekli-tepe-pillars-615-NATIONAL-GEOGRAPHIC-.jpg
Idk... Pyramid built for pharaohs, god kings; cathedrals, top achievement of medievals, built again for some god, Greek temples, Roman temples, you think it's a trend, you stupid bitch...
ya. go get your PhD in archaeology first. or go do some reading. the work is still ongoing at the site. there's a whole blog/website maintained by the people who are still working there. find your proof there, if you're serious about it.
Dear Klaus Schmidt, turkish people a very very thankful to you. Rest In Peace
He died wtf?..
Wonderful to see Dr. Klaus Schmidt in this important lecture, thank you.
It still blows my mind few people know about this place
the numbers are growing, show your friends, awe your family, explain it to your colleagues. 12,000 years ago.
Exactly Should be front page Sunday papers Archeology my journey to teach history to everyone!
Beautiful sculptures
More people know now
@@ferahsudenazulusoy4553 - I know what it represents and no one will listen.
After such an intense, awe-inspiring session and questionnaire conducted by Mr. Klaus, all the water drank by Mr. Interpreter.
I heard so much about Dr. Klaus Schmidt but never heard him speak before. Also his lecture is very interesting. Thank you for sharing! RIP Dr. Schmidt
Thank you for sharing these highly interesting lectures!
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Harika bir sunumdu. Spekülasyondan uzak sadece bilim. Tebrikler.
Thanks for sharing this, this is a jewel.
funny how people who have probably never been to the site, haven't a single clue about the archaeological work or archaeological sciences, sees themselves fit to challenge and question the expert IN CHARGE of the work (until his death), just to confirm their supernatural/it-must-be-aliens bullshit theories.
excellent lecture.
If only this lecture got as much attention as Hancock's bs.
@@Snarkonymous how is Hancocks theory bs if it has some facts behind it at the moment
@@drod2k1 Jordan Peterson does the same thing: Grab a bit of truth and wrap it in BS. Just because there are a couple of facts sprinkled in, doesn't make his imagination even remotely accurate.
@@Snarkonymous the water erosion on the Sphinx that re dates it thousands of years earlier but Egyptologist deny it.
@@Snarkonymous gobekli tepe proves an ancient civilization or something that could and built and carved temples 10k years old
They were excavating for a new building in London and stopped to excavate plague burials and lining the deep site were the foundations/supports for the future building. Those supports were shaped just like these pillars. It it a logical support form for buildings?
Edit: and anyone notice the similarity between their carvings and the carvings in ancient construction in south america?
I'm pretty sure it's DOCTOR Schmidt... RIP
Professor Schmidt, too, I gather..
Toprağın bol olsun hocam. Bize büyük bir hediye bıraktın
The late Mr. Schmidt was quite wrong when saying at 13:15 until 14:20 that the taulas of Menorca never have reliefs and are therefore different monolithic structures. My present work shows that the biggest taula, the one at Trepucó (Bintaufa, near Mahón), shows engravements in its southern face, consisting of 29 diagonal lines, at an angle of 50º, one of them showing a well drawn "Z" or "S" pattern. This corresponds to astronomical features, such as the ecliptic angle represented along with the apparent retrograde movement of a planet, such as Mars, Jupiter or Saturn. Additionally, the taulas have astronomical orientations (Hochsieder and Knösel), and, what is more, are systematically located in enclosures composed of 12 pillars too, all of which points to the model of astronomical calendar. In my opinion these buildings, such as Gobekli Tepe, and Taula enclosures, are evidences of a funerary-calendaric architectural representation of the cosmogony of the people transiting from paleolithic hunter-gatherer cultures, to neolithic farmer culture, where storage and planting of seeds was calculated with astronomical references, and which gave a pre-scientific explanation for the astronomical elements. This is why the figures and architectural elements in Gobekli Tepe represent lunisolar symbols, as well as asterisms, in a protoscientific fashion reminiscent of the hunter-gatherer animist religion/spitiruality, where the animals related to death, such as snakes, wolves, boars, eagles and vultures, together with strength, such as bulls, can be found (bulls are still today used in the basque region to move megaliths, as a rural sport called Idi probak). In Menorca and Mallorca bull head sculptures also have been found, just like in Çatal Hoyuk, etc., proving a common neolithic culture in the mediterranean area, very probably influenced by Indian Vedic knowledge and mythology, where astronomy gave a crucial key to interpret the natural fertility and rebirth cycle of the agricultural year (sun-based) and feminine reproductory cycle (moon-based), along with funerary rituals, as well as an evolved mythical explanation of the night sky. The night sky was very certainly considered as a hemispherical turning vault, sustained on the head by one or two god-like giants, represented as the central pillars. The day shadows of the enclosure pillars at solstices and equinoxes would be used to mark the referential year-round ephemerides. In several funerary caves in Menorca the roof is sutained by these T-shaped pillars, carved from host rock. Regarding the belted antropomorph reliefs at Gobekli Tepe, it seems obvious that these represent the transition from lunar to asterismic central references. The belted character is certainly the hunter god, later known as Orion, with its known belt (Orion belt), who kills the lunar reference, the wolf, and makes his loincloth out of its fur. The zenithal constellation of the bird (cygnus) is also represented by the birds there, along with zodiac animals like the scorpion, etc..
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Gonzalo Calvo All ancient sights are connected. The same key elements are found in central america.
Muy interesante.
Wow amazing info
Did you ever thought working on the sites?
I enjoy to learnin this, it is so exciting because it all realy happened.
I was in Turkey in the late 1950's, no further east of Lake Sapanca. We did some wild boar hunting but got nothing.
In my opinion the pillar 43 shows the flood myth. The top three figures are round boats called coracles. The animals next to them show the cargo. They are floating on water. The land is shown under the water as the line of squares. The V shapes are waves on the water.
Reply it looks like flood survivors settled here and helped restart civilisation.
İnteresting
Some of the birds could be the dodo bird,that are now extinct
I would love to visit it. Especially the Museum with the found artifacts.But the region doesn’t seem attractive to me as a solo travelling women.
Although I know someone who was there. But they were lucky (or rich) enough to fly in by helicopter.
I hope Turkey will lend some pieces to international museums.
It´s alraedy international museums and wonnderfull, last year I visit it.
SO basically a lot of the animal symbols and whatnot are old hieroglyphs. Like the one with the vulture, snake, hair and probably water lines. If it is a name seal it would be something like Ah-foon-nun, or something along those lines and whatever that means. If its based on the other side of the concept than its representing a process of a creation story since the vulture would represent the day and the Sun, the snake as emerging from the underworld, the hare with "being" and the water as the primal waters of creation.
The spot with the two square openings side by side,,,what if they went in one opening,as they walked around,maybe prayed at each T colum ,then you go around til you go out the other square opening...and when you come out maybe it's like you do your daily prayers....it's an awesome idea,,,and if it's true,its like somthing to go through and come out the other side like a haunted house or a paint gallery
It reminded me of the stations of the cross in a catholic church, same thought crossed my mind. Immediately imagining a winding snake body made of the collective, flowing through the site from T pillar to T pillar.
Thank You
r.i.p
What if nevali Cori was there first attempt. Then they had another go at gobekli tepe ?
Enclosure G sounds important!
Very good, thank you for sharing.
RIP Klaus!!
She starts "I have two questions..." I was stunned and so was the Lecturer. The robot voice is not a robot! It is a real live person.
If you are a hunter - catching bush meat, and your neighbor is a gatherer - producing vegetables, then what you both most need is a market, so both of you can have lamb shish kebab in pitta bread (this is Turkey). The most valuable creation in this society would be a market. The market owner would be very powerful and able to command the movement of large stones which supported a roof over the trading floor.
The markings on the pillars are probably the names of the traders (or their families) who traded below the signs. (Probably some are graffiti - one man's fertility symbol is another man's porn).
Over time, I would expect the markets for different types of goods to be spun off into different trading halls - you probably don't really want the meat traded in the same hall as grain, or the (dry) grain in the same halls as (wet) grapes, tomatoes and peppers.The bird signs may have indicated egg merchants. I don't know what vulture's eggs taste like, but the guy with the vulture sign might just have "made a killing" on the trading floor - "wolves of Gobeklitepe" predate Wall Street by a good few years.
While it was wild animals, they would have been butchered off-site, but as domesticated ones took over, there would have been a trade in livestock. The big circles with separate bays look ideal for livestock auctions. People engaged in animal husbandry having access to livestock markets would explain the very rapid selective breeding of animals and vegetables for specialized use. This, in turn, leading to the ability to have large communities.
In most of the world the "market town" is a well known concept in rural areas, even today.
Of course, I am not sure how they would have held "auctions" without money - maybe the teenage boys traded sheep for porn - without an Internet, what else could they do ;-}
There is also the issue of clothing. Only some people would have been any good at sewing - and they were probably no use at killing wild boar, or baking bread. A successful hunter would definitely want to wear fine clothes at the party when seeking a partner between hunts. And the bakers would want to compete with the hunters.
I guess the sites were abandoned and buried after serious outbreaks of killer disease, owing to lack of understanding of hygiene.
I forgot to say, the owner of the market and the traders, may well have been women - markets are often the realm of women in Africa. The big, fat woman was likely the person who owned/ran the market - statues of her could have been tokens saying you had the right to use a stall.
@@andrewgrillet5835 interesting....
He really didn't want to answer some of those questions. 😂
Slav u hürmet klaus schmidt
Rehmata xude lı ser tebe
Ked u zanistiya te nayén birkırın
Hevi dikim reça de were berdevamkirin em te bir bakın .
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So, as the builders of Gobeklitepe transitioned from less sophisticated Hunter Gatherers to more sophisticated sedentary agriculturalists their building skills degraded? They moved forward and backward in civilization .. at the same time?
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Tell me if Im wrong, but they buried them every 80-100 years? Could these be dynasties?
Or maybe King and Queen circled by the tribes/families that follow?
might be,...
seems this is a 2012 video
27:13 that picture on the right with the large stones in a cluster - one of them clearly has a circular inclusion that looks like deliberately poured metal perhaps. You can see what looks like iron oxide from it across the right side as if it didn't always used to be sitting on the angle it is now, but perhaps used to sit 90degrees clockwise if you turned it from the top so the reddish stain points down. There was an Australian geologist at the last Nexus conference talking about rocks with these deliberate inclusions in them here in Australia. They were on a smaller scale, but he'd probably flip his lid if he saw that photo.
Lauren Powell man I don't see it...I've looked and looked....
It's hard to miss. It's the large circle near the bottom of the largest facing stone on the far right picture. There's what looks like a crack in it.
It's just before the time given. It changes picture at the precise time she has given
You are right. Also dodo bird figures show connection with Australia
It's not a proper dig until you have a German archaeologist speaking broken English on the case.
Hahaha
Is it Dr. Klaus Schmitt?
It's Prof. Dr. Klaus Schmidt, if you love academic titles.
Şu videonun 49:40. dakikasında söz alan "benim bir sorum yok ama birkaç fikrim var" diye başlayan adam profesöre ne diyor biriniz sevabınıza çevirsin nolur çok merak ettim😢 hem altyazıcı çevirmiyor, hem moderatör susturmaya çalışıyor hem prof. yorumsuz kaldı. Bende merak pik yaptı.
Bu işin mistik yönü var, göbekli tepe bizim gökyüzümüzü tasvir ediyor, konuyu tartışmanın içeriğinden biraz uzaklaştırınca pek talep görmedi!
Nevali Chori is not a Turkish word. It’s a Kurdish word. Neval means a valley or a stream. Chor is the number 4. Literally translates to “the four valleys/streams”.
Gobekli Tepe is a wrongly translated word from the real Kurdish name. The actual name in Kurdish is “Gîre Mîrazan”. “Gire” means “hill” and “Mîrazan” means “Wishes” which literally translates as “hill of the wishes”. In the Turkish there no term for belly button so they only translated it as “belly”. Like the many miss translated Kurdish words due to the assimilation politics of turkey against the Kurdish population. There is a tree at gobeklitepe which Kurds still go to this day and make wishes. Which means Kurds have kept the sacredness of this region still to this day.
Someone from the audience asks where were people who built these monuments living. Dr Schmidt answers, in nevale core. This whole region of the Neolithic megaliths are only present in the Kurdish area. If You watch the previous symposium you will see the builders of Gire Mîrazan (gobeklitepe) are Kurds.
Unfortunately Turkey is not bright enough to give the Kurdish people their rights so they can reveal their history.
A turtle between two humans, damn. Should I just ignore "Kurma Avatar"? 09:12
Çaput bağlanan ağacın altından çıktığı söylenen tabletin bir eşine daha rastlandı mı kazılarda? O ağacın altında daha farklı tablet ya da kalıntıların da olması beklenmez mi? Bu T biçimindeki sütunların insanı tasvir ettiği sonucuna nasıl varıyoruz?, bu soyutlamayı nasıl yaptığımız tam olarak açıklanamadı.İnsan heykellerinde ağızın yapılmamış olması da ilginç!
Humanity first time with Prophet Adam second time with Prophet Noah to start in Mesopotamia
So it was burried because it was attacked? Was it us that attacked? Whatever the f#£¿ us means these days??
Foxes are clearly Dogs, what with the whole man and dog in history thing. X
How do we know that this isn't just an area too keep animals at bay? Or even an enclosure for children? And the animals were carved there to keep the kids entertained?
That building is very complicated and luxury for that times. And if you want to build something like that you must co oparate with other people. This is so difficult for that time periiod. I think this luxury and work only would for gods
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I think the purpose of the pillars was just to hold up the roof, which was probably made of trees and brush. I think they didn't yet understand architectural engineering principles well enough to build a structure that had a stone roof, which would be incredibly heavy. I think Gobeklitepe was just a town. It's still a very special archaeological find.
Christopher Milford i do too...odd how none of these people even have a clue.as.to.what the environment looked like back then...and the changes these.people saw even in one life time.
.just like we are.getting ready to go thru....and I will tell u.as.a farmer...watchi g animals and especially insects is a more sure way of.predicting weather. For.example fire ants will build huge mounds if its gonna rain heavily in the next 24 hours....thst is the most obvious insect indicator you can see even driving around...early freezes are easily seen in nut trees leaves. People have a hierarchy and they do not put so much work into such a structure unless it protects them from real dangers...and even midevil churches provided shelter and food to travelers especially ones thst needed security. O hate bow they always say oh it was religious haha...a.starving cold person who is under.attack could give a.shit about religion.
@@eugenemartone7023 there are a lot easier ways to build a housing structure than using 10 ton stones
Remy Medin I agree there is a strong argument that could be made that the pillars are supporting columns for a roof. The cup holes I noticed on one of the sites are all very very similiar, which to me suggest a purpose for structural engineering/rigging of wood products. Those cup holes are a great non slip surface. Thanks for pointing this out. On another note I think these bags with handles are a reference to gathering/planting seed. This could also have a double meaning as seed for life. On this note there is one snake relief that looks more like a sperm and egg - “Life” symbol.
Unfortunately, the moderator sometimes sets himself on the wrong track with his statements about the interpretation of monoliths and their pictorial language. The key questions and answers are as follows: 1. Why are the monolites, which apparently represent bodies in a human-like form, headless or faceless? Answer: The T-shaped stone columns do not represent gods, but are an expression of the soul journey after death, or rather of the contemplative consciousness, which could be experienced meditatively by priests or similar dignitaries during their lifetime. Blind and felt experienced, with closed eyes, in a concentrative, distant state, therefore the abstract design of the upper parts. 2nd. Zoomorphic Juncture: What do the animal motifs in the lower part of the stone column mean? They mean the metamorphosis of the animal drive soul to a higher consciousness, or the refinement of the drive nature and the transformation to a higher being, in meditative practice, the mastery of ethereal powers, with the aim of mastering the ascent into the divine world after the death of the body through a metamorphosis. Third thing is: "Ithiphalism:" Erect phalli on anthropomorphic figures or stone carvings have nothing to do with fertility symbolism, but symbolize the awakened kundalini, the transformed sexual energy which is called snake power or dragon power in yoga and meditation. It enables the metamorphosis as an ennobled being to ascend to the gods after death. (Extensively discussed in the book: "Wanderer zwischen den Welten" and Seelenwanderung in der Antike by Dr. Ferdinand Ledwig).
Phaidros02 Was sind die drei “Handtaschen” auf Stele 43 Deiner Meinung nach?
It's a pity they couldn't have found an English speaking person to give a lecture in English. This is a labour and an hour is too much.
L'humanité première fois avec Prophète Adam deuxième fois avec prophète Noé à commencer au Mésopotamie
Cok kotu ceviri.
it is a history of the people of the kurdish.. why don't you say that .. The territory of Turkey is not there and the name is not Göbekli tepe noooooooo
In days of gobekli tepi there were no turks or kurds... And if i could have a little advice... Take your nationalism (same should do all other dumb nationalists), crush it into small ball and throw it away.. Its making you and whole region very sick...
Человечество впервые с Пророком Адамом во второй раз с Пророком Ноем начнется в Месопотамии
Chelovechestvo vpervyye s Prorokom Adamom vo vtoroy raz s Prorokom Noyem nachnetsya v Mesopotamii
Menschlichkeit zum ersten Mal mit dem Propheten Adam zum zweiten Mal mit dem Propheten Noah, um in Mesopotamien zu beginnen
who lived there? which folk? they were now the Kurdish people whose land they took away..
Rubar Bager 10,000 yrs ago?
*i highly doubt it* but nice try
As i know kurds come anatolia and mesopotamia from Iran . Kurdish langue is just modified persian and kurds are genetically relative with persians .
The myth your origin is mesopotamia just political
@@zahiddogan This is right.As a northern Kurdish man i know The kurds original homeland were Zagros mountains West İran northern iraq.The kurds were'nt mesopotamian people.But in 700 800 years after jesus they came mesopotamia
When they first announced this place they said it had been deliberately buried...sure don't look like in any of the pictures I HAVE seen....so they still say this?
Grave...yeah right...maybe you all should check the weather
How is the Tshapes human? no expanation, just repeating the claim all the time. We can not take that serius!
On some pillars are visible hands and other stylisations into human body... www.waofestival.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/MAIN-gobekli-tepe-pillars-615-NATIONAL-GEOGRAPHIC-.jpg
ya. go get your PhD in archaeology first. thanks.
they used it as a religious site? prove it
Idk... Pyramid built for pharaohs, god kings; cathedrals, top achievement of medievals, built again for some god, Greek temples, Roman temples, you think it's a trend, you stupid bitch...
Oops, sorry, that was very rude, Karina Andersen...
ya. go get your PhD in archaeology first. or go do some reading. the work is still ongoing at the site. there's a whole blog/website maintained by the people who are still working there. find your proof there, if you're serious about it.
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