Scotland and independence referendums: short- and long-term reflections
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2021
- Ciaran Martin, Professor of Practice at the Blavatnik School of Government, will present a paper entitled 'Resist, reform or re-run: Scotland and independence referendums in the long and short term', in which he delves into the constitutional issues related to the referendum, drawing on direct personal experience from the 2014 referendum and the negotiations preceding it.
This is followed by a conversation with Sir Tom Devine, Scotland’s leading historian and Professor Emeritus at the University of Edinburgh, and Professor Ngaire Woods, dean of the Blavatnik School.
Blavatnik School of Government,
University of Oxford
www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/
One should not conclude that recourse to extra parliamentary action is a remote possibility. The SNP, I believe, will exhaust every constitution option. If they are frustrated by the sovereignty of Westminster, the situation will become very unpredictable and dangerous. I would expect popular based civil disobedience. If the UK reaction is harshly repressive, I think an escalating spiral of violence is likely. People who today, would be horrified by any use of violence, may come, in future, to support UDI, condone armed struggle, and maybe even support it.
Unfortunately your right, so what does Westminster do send in the English troops and tanks, but hang on Scotland has tanks and troops , so what now a civil war, collapse of the fabled pound sterling!?! ..
amazing video Blavatnik School of Government. I killed that thumbs up on your video. Continue to keep up the terrific work.
Excellent event. Compulsory viewing for Johnson!
For such a historic, respected institution I would have hoped the word 'problem' in the introduction could have been substituted for another more impartial word.
Rabbie Burns to William Shakespeare
You will never be my brother,
Not in faith nor common Mother.
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The election in 2015 96%of the seats went SNP and just over 50% of the popular vote. I didn't vote SNP. There was no referendum in 1707, the junta now has no right to hold Scotland if we don't believe in it.
8 SNP wins at elections is a mandate, it will be nine shortly. Perhaps
the authorities of E.U and USA should be brought in and impose
Democracy here.
Interesting points raised and yes i agree it was never fully sorted in 2014 but it will be interesting to see where it goes
Forget Federalism. Gordon Brown promised it last time and it was a lie. Scotland must choose independence!
25min in there is a comment about courts, if the SG holds a planB referendum. ..then the vid jumps...what was said?
Excellent! Where do I find a copy of the Constitution referred to?
We shall have to await the outcome of the Holyrood elections in May 6th but if the pro-independence parties achieve a majority, then as this presentation makes clear, it will then be Westminster's choice to rule Scotland by "force of law" or by the "people's consent" via winning a referendum to maintain the United Kingdom.
p.s. It would have been interesting to hear reasons why ‘the beguiling federalist view for the United Kingdom’ were unviable!! Canada was cited as an example at the start of the presentation on Quebec matters, so why not return to this example to consider their successful federalism, based on the same Westminster system?
the word 'problem' was uttered 3 times prior to the introduction. This inherently implies the idea of Scottish Independence is a 'problem'. Before the arguament has been heard.
A reformed House of Lords would certainly not be sufficient just on its own, to assuage many disgruntled Scots! No one has ever suggested that this would be the sole magic remedy!! The reform was proposed merely as ONE example of the many many areas towards address social and political imbalance.
Very interesting, thanks. If the UK Gov are serious about keeping the UK intact, they must share power fully. The only way the UK works for Scotland, Wales and NI is if all 4 nations have an equal say, equal amount of MP’s in Westminster.
correct be a proper union and not just treat the other nations as a colony or a region ..the whole thing is a farce and worse that half the population of Scotland cant even see this! social conditioning (brainwashing) and colonisation at its finest ....
I am pro independence but I dont want to break up the UK as I keep hearing unionists saying .... the UK of course has its benefits but FFS! you cannot treat another country the way Westminster does and has done to numerous countries over numerous years ... way past time this should have been sorted years ago :(
2 mins in, wondering how long it will take him to blame Protestants and Rangers! 😂😂😂😂
@48:14 the use of the term 'Scots' should have been termed the 'Scottish People' for example: 'if the Scottish people vote'
ie: 'Polaks' which should say 'Polish' can we frame this correctly please.
No, "Scots" a word equivalent to "Germans", "Italians", "Americans", on in fact - "Poles". These are perfectly normal. Polaks is a slur, but not because there is some rule about it.
Interesting look into 'biases' past and *current* .
"Assumed consent" Ciaran? - is that an 'automatic opt-in' ? sounds rather slippery. { ; - ¦
The so called union is finished , thankfully !!
Saor Alba gu bràth .
Very engaing speakers and a compelling conclusion - that inaction here will change the nature of the union.
I'm sorry, but Mr Martin is incorrect in understanding the nature of the UK "Union". It is not a union which endures consensually, in the way a marriage endures consensually. It is a sovereign state, and has been since the Acts of the Union in 1707. In fact, it's much clearer to talk about "the Union" as an event in time, not an enduring state of affairs. This has been stated clearly in the Acts of the Union and in constitutional scholarship ever since, even if politcal deference has been given to Scotland.
This also isn't the result of some particular cruelty of this Union, the ability to unilaterally withdraw from a larger entity is the defining feature of sovereignty - thus, if Scotland possessed this ability, it would be already independent, as of now. The position of Scotland in the UK is that of Texas in the USA, Quebec in Canada, Flanders in Belgium, Bavaria in Germany and Veneto in Italy; not that of Slovenia in the EU, or Norway in NATO. It is alluded that the nature of Spain as a state is fundamentally different to that of the UK - this is patently untrue, and cannot be true by the necessary logical consequence of any understanding of statehood and sovereignty.
Even the characterisation of the 20th century as the century of dissolving unions is a very questionable impression to make, as these examples suggest. To dissolve each of these Unions (Italy, USA, Canada) - which are sovereign states - it is necessary to secure consent of the highest constitutional nature - which in the UK means relatively little, a mere 326 votes in Parliament. These central governments may, if they choose, consent to secession reluctantly - but they may, both morally and legally, refuse to do so.
Wonderful opinion, but just an opinion...let the big debate begin...Scotland will vote with or without consent, so what will England do, send troops and tanks over the boarder?
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Equally your view is also ‘just an opinion’, interesting in its own way!
a great and balanced presentation, thank you
I support independence as many have done for 300 years
I also support working with the UK government
What really gets to us independence supporters is what Tom and Ciaran have pointed out, this is NOT a union of equals.
Many indy supporters are aghast, sickened and angry at what is happening now and feel no better than a colonised Nation under a fascist dictatorship of the UK government.
The division this has caused and has caused more than the current media and political narrative about divisive and separatists is what IS driving independence.
The LIES about Scotland's economy perpetuated by the media and unionist politicians is further dividing us all in Scotland and further afield.
The UK media and the UK government should be utterly ashamed and in fact should be sacked and under trial for mass fraud and misleading people.
It is SHAMEFUL and people regardless of how they feel about being British, Scottish or indeed both should all be very angry that we are most definitely not in an equal and voluntary union, if the UK government persists on what they have been doing over the last 40 years, then I can imagine there will be civil unrest and things will get a lot worse.
Thank you for at least some honest commentary, something that is lacking on this post truth fascist Britain.
Scotland should be independent and then negotiate deals with the UK and any other country it desires to negotiate with.
The UK is no better than a fascist dictatorship and history will tell us how that is going to work out :(
ALL Scottish people would be happy to be part of the UK and still be Scottish IF Scotland was treated with respect and NOT LIED TO by politicians and the media ...sad times not just for Scotland but for all of the UK
Interesting stuff but don’t forget both Scotland and England had quiet close Brexit/remain votes , the SNP suggest it was a landslide to stay, it wasn’t.
62% of Scots voted to stay in the EU , 48% of England voted to stay in the EU , how is that even close ? , lmao , wow
No constituency in Scotland voted for brexit 62% of Scots voted to remain that’s not a close vote but as usual Scotland gets what England votes for.
What is this 2nd clown talking about? We had a vote in 2014, we voted to remain. We had an election and more people voted for UNIONIST parties! The law in Westminster = REMAIN, the vote in Scotland = REMAIN!
Sorry Bob but unless you where living on Mars there was a caveat, and that if a material difference should occur then Scotland will have another vote, now you cant deny that
That was in 2014 . But the UK has changed and is no longer in the EU , as we are a sovereign democratic nation, that is within a democratic union, democracy says we can , you may not like it , but it's the will of the Scots by electing in a pro indy gov
@@plasticjock1090 Interesting --what form exactly is the ‘material difference’ to Scotland? It seems to be just like another one of the politically created slogans such as ‘once in a generation’, which the speaker referred to, but this time from the pro-independence side??