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- lower nitrates with table sugar in saltwater aquarium. this is called carbon dosing. you are feeding anaerobic bacteria sugar, which increases the population of bacteria. this bacteria removes nitrates. sugar dosing to lower nitrates in reef aquarium. how to lower nitrates. feed your good bacteria with sugar in your reef tank. bacteria will populate and lower nitrates dramatically. you must have a protein skimmer for this procedure, which will remove the excess bacteria, taking the nitrates with them. dose 1 teaspoon sugar per 60 gallons per day. many see this as a bandaid but I say it is just another tool to control nitrates. you should of course find where your nitrates are spiking and correct it at the source. I suggest you use this to keep nitrates to a very low level after you have exhausted all other means: do not overstock your tank, clean mechanical filtration, and perform water changes. I perform a weekly 10% water change on my 75 gallon tank, have removed my foam block from the tank, and always run a protein skimmer. My nitrates have jumped to 20 ever since I added a new larger fish to the tank. That could be it. I also vacuum the sand bed thoroughly. I plan on upgrading to a much larger tank in the next year.
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This actually works. My tank was at 50ppm for the longest. Once I started to dose sugar I they took a nose dive. I'm currently at 10ppm. (3 weeks in)
sweet!
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My nitrates are so high, I thought maybe I should just start my tank over. I'm so glad I found your video! I'm trying this tonight! Thank you.
cool. make sure you feed your fish less and do water changes as well. replace your filter media once a week at least. it will take about 2 weeks but your nitrates will go down. if the water gets cloudy you're fine. it clears up in a day...you just dosed too much then.
I am there myself...and with booze ban now it is illegal or double the price. Hahaha I was told sugar from a friend on reef group but kinda was doubting it.. Will try and see how goes.
@TheOriginalBleachX Well in a way I suppose, ended up getting a recipe for Vodka, vinegar and sugar. Which I have been dosing for a while and seen good results. 🤘🤙😎🤣
First off Mr. Rotter great subway video that looks like my hometown of Chicago ( yes inside the city limit) and I know you moved out a little west of Chicago. I love your series. I am going into salt/reef after three years of fresh water. Going from a 40 gal to 65 with sump and all. So every bit of info I can get I'm ingesting. But you make your videos not only informative but interesting as well. Thank you
+Bob Escher Thanks Bob for the nice comment. That means a lot. Trying to bring a little art, Chicago and feel into the videos. Much more to come as they evolve. Thanks for being a part of the crew and congrats on the new tank!
I have tried this method and been doing this for 2 years now. Very effective and save my money. I have 1 Dory and 4 Nemo and Kennedy for the test. All good, healthy and fat. And yes u need good skimmer and bigger always 3x the size of ur overall water.
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ok. thank you for responding so quickly... I will have to get a skimmer
+Anita Nunley sure no problem. you caught me online. a skimmer is great to have and if you don't have one, you need to clean your mechanical filtration (sponges, etc. whatever is catching the waste) at least once a week. that will help out immensely!
good video! heard a few local reefers using sugar so decided to check it out keep up the good videos!
+The Casual Reefer it works great if you need to get the nitrates down faster than normal. mine are a little high and i'm looking at why. vacuuming sand bed, rinsing foam block in sump weekly, vacuuming sump weekly, and changing out sump sock every 3 days, and not overfeeding....still a bit high. at a loss currently. i'll find the source, but sugar is used to keep it stable.
I tried this and in my case it was not very successfull. I had more success with vodka alone and kept doing that for a year. The best solution in my opinion is NOPOX from Redsea Combined with MarineGro 1 2 3.
No matter how hard I stock the tank with 2 times a day feeding, the Nitrates has been undetecable so I highly recommend trying that out in case your Sugar experiment does not live up to the hype :)
Another great video here Steve. Thanks for sharing and best of success to you :)
StudioReef Thanks for taking the time to comment and for the tip! Would I need to get the MarineGro 1 2 3 or would the NOPOX work just fine alone? I will definitely try that out after this. I checked out your channel and subscribed...great stuff there! I saw in your profile video you have a studio? Very cool....me too. I'd like to learn more about that. www.rotterstudios.com is mine. Thanks again!
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ROTTER tube Thanks for subbing back :)
About the MarineGro. it´s a ton of different live bacteria strains that takes any trace of Ammonia -> Nitrate in a flash. It even consists of some denitrifying bacteria aswell as where the Nopox from Redsea works fine by itself in the more traditional carbon dosing way. The 2 go great together and I have tested this on my tanks for the past year with amazing results. Marinegro is also one way you can cycle a brand new tank in a flash and it claims to be impossible to overdose.
I do have a recording studio yes :) but I work fulltime as an Electrical Engineer now, so the music comes in as a hobby to me now. I used to live from playing and making Electronic stuff but like you I also play the guitar :)
Thanks for the nice words
StudioReef Thanks for the fast response on the cool stuff. I was at a fish store today and couldn't find that stuff. I'll check out online but I will keep using the sugar to see what happens. So far, after 4 days, just more algae on the glass, which is to be expected.
I hear you on the music stuff. I'm the same way. I play and record when I can, taking on clients and recording their demos and albums as they come along. I also do photography and video and have for years....which is where this UA-cam thing finally got me....that's how it works for me. Thanks for watching and glad you like it. I will mention this stuff if you don't mind, for those who don't read....
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Nopox is a marketing man's dream of selling cheap methanol for Belvedere or Grey Goose ethanol prices
This is an awesome video thank you so much I’m definitely going to try it and you explained it really well.
You are so welcome!
Do more research beg, if you start dosing you can’t just stop you could crash your tank
This has got to be the best and funniest video.....I love it.Thank you so much for all the information..... Can I do this in my HOB filter? I'm VERY new to saltwater. Any information is appreciated.
+Anita Nunley Hi Anita, thanks for taking the time to comment and welcome to the channel! Sugar dosing is only recommended if you have a protein skimmer. If you do not, the best approach to lowering nitrates is to vacuum the sand, don't feed a lot, and keep up on water changes.
good explain at the last 1mins of video
cool thanks
I know this is an older video but I love it. I like your style and enthusiasm! glad to have someone such as your self to learn from and watch! keep up the good work and vids.
thanks a lot! i appreciate that!
Hi Nice video...
Thanks for the information...
actually I have 40 gallon reef tank (All in one).. yesterday I checked my nitrate.. and the level is 20 ppm.. so how much should I dose and how many days should I continue???
Thanks
i'd say 1/2 teaspoon per day till it's close to 0.
Thanks for the reply... actually I tried sugar dose 1 spoon and two days it was very cloudy... I got tensed.. Yesterday night there is no cloudy in the water. Then I checked the nitrate and it’s saying nitrate level is zero. Before it was 20 PPM. Thanks a lot.
This two days I didn’t feed my fish and corals. So when can I feed my fish?? should I dose it again?? Any water change is required??
Once again thanks for the information
Thanks for the very helpful video and explanation I have a question I’d really appreciate if you answer that I have a very small dymax protein skimmer I’m wandering if I still use this method as the nitrate level in my tank is high thanks again ❤️
yes
Any long term side effects after dosing sugar? Also is vodka better?
they'll both do the same thing. sugar is cheaper.
once we add sugar when should v check for nitrates
whenever you want. i see mine hit 0 after one or two weeks.
good informative video Rotter
thanks!
Can you this with African chiclids?
maybe a silly question, but I have a 60 gallon seahorse tank with 3 horses, a canister filter and two hang on backs. recently purchased a refugium to combat my nitrates(waiting on chaeto) so it's not set up yet...My nitrates stay at 10-20 and I'm doing water changes bio weekly. I am still battling diatoms as my tank is only 3 months old. Does sugar dosing have any ill effects to a tank that is still fairly new? thanks.
nope no ill affects. it feeds the bacteria that takes care of the nitrates...but.....you need a protein skimmer to do this.
Best explanation
Does it work for freshwater?
+Tom dilly not exactly sure. you do need a protein skimmer though
I have a sump that looks like yours and I have a 75 gallon tank as of last night my nitrates 40 PPM. I'm planning on setting up my protein skimmer how many tablespoon of sugar do I put in? I really hate the fact that I have to change water so often I don't want to do that so I'm trying to find the best alternative way to keep my nitrates level down. right now I only have invertebrates and life rocks so I want to get it ready for my fishes.
no more than 1 teaspoon a day. start with half a teaspoon each day for a week. you will see it drop. it is best to get nitrates down at the source but this method works great. if the water gets cloudy it is fine and will clear in half a day.
I have a hang on back aqua remora c skimmer from what i understand they work different from a standard skimmer ,would it work .
Lots of people use them. I never have
Hi there, love your videos, subscribed! Does sugar dosing reduce phosphates as well, or is it just nitrates only?
+Mervyn Lau Hey Mervyn, thanks for stopping by and so glad you like the vids! Sugar dosing will only affect nitrates by increasing the bacteria that "devours" them, then they are exported to your skimmer. you need a skimmer for this reason! you could try a gfo reactor or feeding less.
+ROTTER tube Reef thanks bro
+Mervyn Lau welcome
I wanted to ask you that I lose about 1/3 to a gallon of water a day from evaporation. I was wondering since for the whole week I actually add 7 gallons of fresh water. Would that not be considered a water change because I remember mile high reefer said that he never water changes. Do nitrates evaporate with the water( I don't think so). The would still be exported through macro and skimmer right?
+nammek a gallon a day loss? how big is your tank / sump? nitrates are not lost through evaporation, only water. water changes remove the solids and nitrates, which is why we do them. if you don't do water changes you need a great skimmer or mechanical filtration that is cleaned often. when i was using sump socks i would replace them every 3 days. canister filters should be cleaned weekly. any foam blocks, once or twice a week.
How often do you dose sugar? Also I googled vodka dosing for reef aquarium but I couldn't get any good measurements of how much vodka one should dose on a 50g tank.
Yes my nitrates are a bit high 🙈
+Mario Hernandez I dose 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons, so 2 teaspoons once a day, no more than that. not sure on the vodka thing. you need a protein skimmer when you do this.
What about just thoroughly vacuuming your sand often?
M.R. Hawks that is 100% correct sir, along with everything else to keep nitrates down. This method is for fine tuning the reading or getting it under control quick if something got out of hand. thanks for your comment!
Hi.
I have pico tank at 55 liters.
Few fish, sps + lps, few clean up crew.
Now my no3 : 10
I dose bactery starter every week.
I dose 1/2 teaspoon sugar every week.
I dose around 2ml vinegar 5% everyday.
I use skimmer & seachem product.
Now, around 5 weeks without water change.
Any idea how to reduce my no3 into 0 ??
Except for idea :
- reduce fish
- reduce fish food
- water change
- cleaning sand bed
i dose 1 teaspoon sugar for every 60 gallons daily. for my 125, i dose 2 teaspoons daily right to the sump. after 2 weeks, no nitrate. no issues. only sugar
Do you ever have any issues with soft coral having a adverse effect from sugar dosing I have a 125 gallon aquarium which at the moment it has
25 nitrate and .5 Phosphate I have been dosing a quarter teaspoon Of sugar daily for 3 weeks and if I go any more than that all my soft coral Will shrink up and act really pissed off. Any advice would be Appreciated
Hi, I've NEVER had any adverse reactions of any kind. coral never minded at all
@@ROTTERtube Thank you for the reply I don't know what else to do every time I try to up the dose My soft coral close up
PS I'm just using plain white table sugar from Walmart
that's fine. that's what i use, but not from walmart....i don't like shopping there. haha
I'm running a 55 gal reef. if I just do 1 8th of a tsp of sugar instead of one and half will I still achieve same results just longer period since it's less, or do I need to do one and half of 1/8 tsp?
that's a great point. you would probably need to bump it up over time depending on your bio load. i use 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons daily. you could do what you're doing and work it up to 1 teaspoon over the course of a week or two.
Rotter Tube Reef thanks for the fast reply. that's what I'm going to do. I read out my nitrates before I started so I have a base line to judge from. keep the vids coming!
Hi, Can you please help me i have a question about sugar dosing . I have a 70gallon FOWLR without a sump so my question is can i dose sugar straight to my DT water and let it diluted or would it be better to mix the sugar in some fresh distilled water or saltwater that is from the display tank first then pour it back in?. Please Help because i dont have a sump like others but i do have a Reef octopus HOB skimmer. Thank You
hi Jason, i add sugar right to the sump. you can add it right to the tank if you want. you could also add it straight to the tank. you could also put it in your top off water. whatever you want to do. it will be fine.
Thanks alot!! very helpful
;)
I use nopox. more modern way of carbon dosing. my nitrates were at 80 and was at 20 a week within dosing nopox. I'm at weeks 2 and nitrates is at 10-15. best product I ever used.
awesome! i really want to try it. just don't want to spend the money on something constantly. do you have a bio pellet reactor?
+Rotter Tube Reef no I choose to go the nopox route over reactors and macro. macro never do well with me. always die and I didn't want to wait a month or so to see results from the biopellets as my nitrates were high and also didn't want to nuke my tank with them as I seen videos of ppl accidently do. I run gfo and purigen tho and all three works really well. I might go with the sugar dosing i get tired of buying nopox but I can manage buying this stuff every other month.
thanks for following up.It's just another form of carbon dosing but I wouldn't be against buying the nopox to have while dosing sugar. maybe use the nopox to get it down and keep it balanced and low with the sugar, who knows. i'll see how the bio pellets work for me. waiting for them to kick in. it's been almost 2 months and nothing. i seeded the tank with bacteria 2 weeks ago so in a couple more weeks i should be good. if not, i'm pulling it. then it will be carbon dosing only. tired of playing around. sugar rules. i got the nitrates from 80 to 20 in 1.5 weeks with sugar. it's lower than that now i'm sure.
+Rotter Tube Reef yea I understand your frustration with the pellets
Rotter Tube Reef my favorite method is the one with vodka cuz i'm half Russian.
Hi, i'm from Romania so i'm not familiar with US measuring units. Can you tell me how many grams is a teaspoon, or how much should i dose for my sistem wich is about 600 liters / abt 160 gal.Thank you.
Hi, I had no idea so i had to look it up. There are 4 grams of sugar in one teaspoon. So that would be 4 grams sugar for every 60 gallons. so that is 4 grams for every 227 liters of water. you could round up to 250 liters i suppose. or say 5 grams sugar for every 250 liters to make it easy.
Rotter Tube Reef I did 4 grams of sugar in my 60 gallon tank after watching this video and it killed my entire colony of Xenia.
I don't think carbon dosing would do that. I never had an issue with anything and have never heard of that, especially with xenia...it's very hardy. i'm now dosing double what i recommended, as a test, still no issues.
how much i have to dose ?? my tank is 180g n 30g sump im running biopellets n gfo
+Ricardo Vallejo hey Richardo, well, I dose 2 teaspoons sugar directly to my sump each night when I do it and I have a 125 gallon. That breaks down to about 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons. You could start with 2 teaspoons and move to 3 each night. That is what I tried to get them down quicker...after about 2 weeks, 0 nitrates. You could use less, maybe 1 teaspoon a day, and take longer. It's up to you. When you use 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons water, your water will get a tad bit cloudy...it doesn't look bad, it's just not crystal clear. It will not harm your tank or fish or corals.
Can I do this if I have a hob skimmer?
yes, as long as you have a skimmer
Hey buddy can I try this on my 30 gallon ? I have a protein skimmer no sump, and three fishes. And for how long would I do this for ?
you could, as long as you have a protein skimmer. for a 30 gallon i would just rely on water changes since it would be so easy to do a 50% water change. you do that and sand bed vacuuming and you're good to go!
i have read in R2R that sugar will turn corals brown . or cyno . any experience in coral browning ?
that's false
@@ROTTERtube actually i have been dosing suga for a couple on weeks daily . very good result :D. just fish in my tank for now
awesome!
I overdose Suger do I have to do water change or not..
you'll be fine. it won't hurt anything. only dose if you have a protein skimmer
What if I don't have a sump? Can I still use sugar or Vodka?
I've read that you can't, but I no longer have a sump and I'm going to be trying it. as long as you do weekly water changes and have a power head pointed at the water surface (which you should anyway), you'll be fine.
Hi there
I just wanna ask, dose you still using sugar dosing ??
Dose it effect your coral or tank crush?
Cause I heard from my local that will crush your tank soon or later
Which that make me stop sugar dosing for awhile, and my no3 is climbing up to 50 ppm 😭😭
Please do let me know the outcome of it
+Kidtoro Lee i still dose it every other day to keep the nitrates low and prevent them from climbing. you also have to make sure you clean your tank well and rinse or replace and mechanical filtration twice a week depending on bio load. my tank has not crashed. you need to make sure you don't OD on the sugar since it lowers oxygen levels in the water. Don't dose more than 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons a day. A lot of people dose half this. You should ask the store if they sell bio pellet reactors and what they think of them...wait for their answer. bio pellet reactors do the same thing...carbon dosing. it doesn't harm corals or inverts. sugar feeds the bacteria needed to break down nitrates to gas.
+Rotter Tube Reef hi there thanks for your reply ,
Noted with thanks and I am having mangrove and grapes algae in the sump, if I sugar dosing, dose it kill those plant? Or I cut it to 1/3 of table spoon for 60 gallons of water ??
+Kidtoro Lee you will be fine. you can use as little as you want. I don't recommend more than 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons a day. This is what works for me. A lot of people start with 1/4 teaspoon total per day. I would recommend starting slower, but I don't and my tank and corals are fine. The only thing you will notice is that your tank gets a little cloudy and your water from your protein skimmer smells more. This is normal. It means it is working. You need a protein skimmer for this.
+Rotter Tube Reef
Thanks a lot, yeah I do have protein skimmer, will try it today
+Kidtoro Lee good. for me i see results after about 1.5 weeks. close to 10 or 0. once there, i dose every other day then every 3rd day.
dosing organic carbon (vinegar, vodka or sugar) , why not just use vinegar?
+ivanthegod you sure can, I just grabbed what was available while making coffee.
Hi ROTTER, how is your sugar dosing going?
I hope you are doing well.
chester 786 Hey chester, I stopped the sugar dosing due to the black dot I had in my tank 2 weeks ago. I had to dose the display tank with prazi pro to kill it and now things are back to normal. the reason i stopped sugar is because you need to keep the protein skimmer going while dosing sugar and since all mechanical filtration had to be stopped while using prazi pro, well, there it is. i just started the skimmer up a week ago so i will have an update next weekend or so. thanks for asking and checking in! hope you are doing well also. i'm off to check out a new reef store. i may film there for you guys.....
Hi there, watched you video the other day as well as others'. I have 4000 Lts Pond with 400 Lts Filter which i calculated roughly according your measurement in the US for the Sugar dose. I am in Australia. So i added about 2kg of sugar yesterday. the water become absolutely blur and dirty within the last 24 hours. The Nitrate has down from 160 to 10. so, the question is are my Kosi in danger with this dirty water? is my filter crashed? Please respond me asap. I am panicking. ..
+Saru Nakarmi you should be fine if you calculated correctly. you should take it slow and not add the entire amount in at once. i have only used it in a reef aquarium with a protein skimmer. make sure you have enough aeration for the water. make sure there is enough oxygen in the water. the cloudiness is normal. it's the bacteria bloom due to the dosing. it will deplete some oxygen, which is why the water needs to be aerated or a protein skimmer needs to be used in the aquarium. don't add anymore. it will clear up.
ROTTER tube Reef Thank you sooo very much for your quick response. You are an angel. It was really bad. In fact, I noticed the black insects that stick on filter are dead. The fish did not seem very happy either this morning. which didn't seem right to me. So, I just changed the water and added new bacteria. Well, according to the calculation which says 4 table spoons for about 95lts. so it was around 1100 spoons for 4400 lt pond. I put about 1kg which did nothing at all. so i added another 1.2kg which. anyway, Thanks a lot again for the suggestion, will be careful next time. i am relieved a bit now that they seem happier. I am sure the bacteria will pick up its work again soon. please take care and have a lovely rest of the day.... it might be mid night there... lol...
Hi again, sorry i have one more question for you if you don't mind :-). as you just mentioned before about the oxygen. Generally there is enough but as I went out, sew all the fish getting oxygen from the water fall, so definitely the sugar killed oxygen. Freaked me out. anyway, i have moved most fish into another pond for now. but must move them back in soon. So, if you know how long do you think it takes for the water to get back into normal. .... I thought changing water would lower the sugar level but it went back to same thing again... what disaster....!!
+Saru Nakarmi i'm glad things are working out. it will not work right away, but over the course of a week or two. don't add more if you think it isn't working. 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons max, per day. that is what works for me in my reef tank. some suggest less by half the amount. thank you for your kind words. i'm sure it was midnight or something.
+Saru Nakarmi you probably added too much too soon. then you added more. what percent of water did you change? do you have a pump or something you can put in the water that adds oxygen, that will break up the surface of the water to add oxygen? bigger the better. if not, what do you normally use to add oxygen, or is there nothing that you use? within a day or 2 my tank goes back to normal. once the water clears up that is a sign it is getting back to normal. the more oxygenation you can do the faster it will clear up. we're probably talking about a day.
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I'm confused, you dose 1/2 teaspoon in your 75g tank but in your description you say dose 1 teaspoon per 60g, I think this Information is fantastic and I badly want to reduce my nitrates trying this method, but the dosing amount you suggest is unclear. We have a 125g reef tank so should I be dosing 3/4 or 2 teaspoons?
I started slower in my 75 gallon. It's 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons. That's what works great for me. daily
Rotter Tube Reef .... thanks for your response, It'll be interesting to see how we go with it.
you should be down to 0 in about 2 weeks max.
while we doing this sugar dosing do we need to do water change while in process?
no, you don't. just have a protein skimmer and you're set
What's the mannequin's name,Rotter? I want to buy the T shirt that has him saying that!!!
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+Alex Kingcole What's up Alex! hahaha. His name is Mahoney. I'm actually looking at making t shirts....hehe
I didn't work for me the sugar
Roberto James Roberto, that's too bad. What size is your tank? you need to dose everyday. I was dosing a teaspoon every day in my 75 gallon.
mi yuppie learn from him lol
now my water is tottaly clear but tank is empty
+deep malik what does empty mean? all your fish are dead? they're all dead? i'm not sure what caused that of course but if it was the sugar, you used way too much. most people dose 1/2 teaspoon a day total. i dose 1.5 teaspoons a day in my 125 gallon.
KEEP IT EMTY.......IS MUCH BETTER
clearly none of these people have ran into high nitrate issue right off the bat when you have NO i repeat NO livestock in the tank yet, and 2 50% water changes later no change in trates. yep new tank, no livestock ( fishless cycle) nitrates off the chart and a couple 50% waterchanges later no change.
why are nitrates so high if there are no fish to lay waste in the tank?
@@ROTTERtube EXACTLY my point, there is NO reason for it everythign was dry, rock was bleached, rinsed, and dried before being placed inside of sealed containers prior to storage, sand was new dry, rinsed, tank and sump are new, lights are new, all pumps and power heads new, skimmer is old but no foam or sponges being used and all parts cleaned, rinsed, and dried prior to storage still dont know what is causing it. only option i have now is to wait till the first when i will have money again and basically drain the tank and sump completely ( or as close to empty as possible) and refil it. if that doesnt work then the only option left is to give up before i even get back into the hobby. fishless cycle has been the biggest fucking nightmare, fritz turbostart useless, dr times one and only, again useless, should have just used some fish and stability like i did over a decade ago im sure i wouldnt be in any worse off shape than now but at least i wouldnt still be lookign at an empty tank after a month, although trites and trates are off the chart i at least have my dark brown diatom bloom with some green splotches and a couple of very small ( tiny) cyano splotches but i cannot put even snails in it at this point with the trites and trates as high they are.
hands down the most painful video to watch on the subject. homie really thinks he's funny lmao.
it's painful....hmmmm
you give a reason, but why do you need a protein skimmer? the dead bacteria isn't going to release nitrates bc when they were alive they metabolized the nitrate and phosphate into something completely different; into elemental nitrogen which leaves the aquarium as a gas.
is it to remove the excess bacteria so the tank doesnt look dirty? but couldnt you you just use a smaller amount of sugar to limit the population of the bacteria
yes it will escape as gas but not all of it. it's also to remove excess bacteria, as you said.
@@ROTTERtube ah i see, just making sure bc i wanted to apply this to a freshwater system where a skimmer doesn't work so well. but i will still attempt it with tiny amounts of sugar!
I love this guy 😆! How the fuck do you have haters!?
what's up dude! thanks a lot. much appreciated. haters everywhere. in all my years as a guitarist, you would think, with music being so competitive, there would be more haters there. NOPE! it's fish tanks. amazing some fish geeks are the biggest jags. had to ban a few of them.
Hi!!!, are you still using this method? everything went fine?
yes and yes
I been dosing for 2 months and the results have been great. All Algae is gone and my levels are around 10. I have a 125 gallon reef tanks and I put 1/2 teaspoon of sugar every day.
awesome!
As an update I'm about 5 days into it and will start dosing everyday as opposed to every other. There is a noticeable amount of green algae on the glass but not bad...just a thin layer. I tested for nitrate this morning and it was just above 20 I believe, coming down from the 30 I had last week. I'll keep you posted of course. My protein skimmer is also working hard and pulling out much darker stuff...very cool. Fish and corals are just fine.
+ROTTER tube Reef How did this turn out for you? Mine just spiked to 40ppm of nitrate after getting some new fish.. I couldn't resist lol. I have a 110 gallon tank, do you think I should just add 2 tsp? Great video by the way, I've always just had FOWLR tanks and now that I have switched to corals this is very helpful! Also, should I buy some more nitrifying bacteria? Thank you so much!!
+Ashley L Hi Ashley, thanks for stopping by! I use 2 teaspoons a day in my 125 gallon tank so that's why I recommend 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons. More or less won't hurt. So yes, 2 teaspoons is good for you, or 1.5, daily. How long have you had your tank? Is it cycled? Also, how many fish did you add at once? If you got a spike, the tank probably isn't ready to handle all the new fish. You can try buying bacteria. It won't hurt, but sometimes it just doesn't work...it can die off in the bottle. Sugar is great for keeping it under control quick, but, try to find out why it's spiking in the first place. Either the tank is too new or there are too many fish too soon...too much waste and uneaten food and ammonia...fish pee.
Thanks for the quick reply! Yes, my tank is fully cycled and about 6 months old. It has around 140lbs of live rock in it. I moved almost everything from my old tank into it as well, so a lot of the material inside has been going for quite some time. I usually add bacteria with water changes or if I add new fish, but have ran a little behind lately:/ I placed a big order, I added 3 green chromis (tiny sized), a blue throat triggerfish ( around 3 in), a small yellowhead jawfish, and a foxface to the tank at once. Most of the fish are pretty small, aside from the foxface who is around 4in. I just bought a "extra" canister filter with a uv sterilizer and added it last week, so hopefully that will help as well. I lost my pulsing xenia and torch coral last week and now a Kenya tree is suddenly drooping..I believe I will try the sugar trick! I had used red sea's no pox in the past, but this just seems safer and faster. When I used the no pox around a year ago it seemed to take a couple of months before I got any good results..I don't think my corals could last that long waiting for it. My nitrates are only around 40 now, but I realize that is way too high now that I have coral.. I have never kept coral before, so I am a bit of a newbie to all of this. Thank you so much for all the help!! :)
You may be ok with those fish being added. You don't need to add bacteria with each water change. It's a waste of money. Since you're into it for awhile, you should have plenty on the rocks and the sand and the glass and in your sump. It's not necessary. Please make sure you are on top of cleaning your canister filter and all mechanical filtration! Canister filters are nitrate factories. They must be cleaned often! If I had one I would do it once a week minimum. I like to run as basic as possible. I run a sump sock and protein skimmer and that is it. I have a foam block too, which I clean weekly. The socks are replaced every 3 days. I vacuum the sump with a weekly 10 gallon water change. Also vacuum your sand! I have a cool video on that.
Steve
Woah, just saw your comment back lol. Sorry about that. I actually was having a custom sump built for me and then found that the way my cabinets are set up on the stand underneath my tank will not allow enough room for it to fit:/ So, I invested in two very strong canister filters. It wasn't ideal for me either, I would love to have a sump, but it just wasn't in the cards for me right now. I already watched your video on vacuuming actually lol, it was very helpful as well! It's nice to have a sense of community on here with the hobby that is everyone helping each other out and giving helpful advice on everything! The water changes I have been doing are absolutely ridiculous trying to get these nitrates down..but they kept going up. Today when I tested my nitrates are at 80ppm.. my torch coral and pulsing xenias are no more. There was something not right, so I contacted my water company and learned that they had recently got in trouble by the EPA for having super high nitrate levels..so when I was doing water changes to get my nitrates down I was only adding to the problem. What would you suggest I do about this? I got a bigger protein skimmer and started sugar dosing 2tsp today..I just wonder if I will have to dose everyday forever with this going on with my water having high nitrates from the faucet.
Hey Rotter, how you been doing? Are you still sugar dosing or have you gone another route? I'll soon have my 300 gallon ready hopefully by feb 2018. I bought this aquarium about a month before you made this video around feb 2015. I still have no water in it because I've been collecting the gear (toys) to operate it since then lol but its really starting to take shape and looking good. So it will be 3 years by feb 2018 and hope to have it running by then. I use 6 teaspoons of sugar in my coffee and I think that's about what mine is going to take including the water in the sump = 380 gallons lol. But is there a chart for building up to that? I don't just start putting that much sugar in from the get go do I? Also, when is a good time to start dosing, when you first start cycling or after how many weeks? And yes I have a great skimmer I'll be using.
Hey Robert, can't wait to see that tank! you may never have to carbon dose. the trick is to keep the tank really clean via vacuuming sand, water changes, changing out media, etc etc. after all that, my nitrates are still high since i choose to have a lot of fish in my tank. what works best is 1 teaspoon for every 60 gallons. you can work up to that over the course of a couple weeks IF YOU NEED TO SUGAR DOSE AT ALL. as a tip, when you get sand, STAY AWAY FROM CRUSHED CORAL! that holds food and waste....NITRATES!
Thanks Steve, you rock bud!
thanks man
Great stuff Man!
I've seen a dozen videos and I was more confused every time, you explained it perfect! Thank you!
awesome! thanks!
Hi
I have a 250 litre tank using a 200 litre per hour external canister filter and a hang on skimmer
I have been doing large water changes and lots of them to try and lower phosphates reading (0.5) and nitrates reading between 10 & 25 and I'm having no luck in reducing them I only have 1 foxface 2 common clowns 3 chromis 1 fire fish and 1 suntail goby in my tank plus clean up crew I don't overfeed and only feed 6 days a week
My question is how much sugar would I add to my aquarium and how often
Cheers
Ian
Hi Ian, that bioload is small. How often are you cleaning out the canister filter? It should be weekly. Do you vacuum your sand? That could be another reason. If you are using crushed coral for your sand, that is another reason. vacuum your sump as well. I don't know how much for liters but if you dose 1 teaspoon of table sugar for every 60 gallons, daily, you will have 0 nitrates in 2 weeks. Do this gradually over the course of a month. You need to have your protein skimmer running while you do this.
This could come in handy to know. We currently have a 55 gallon saltwater tank, but I bought a 120 gallon, it is second hand with the sump plumbing, but no pump. I am considering using Cheato in a refugium to help with bacterial breakdown.
try it all. some may work for you while other fixes will not
I have high nitrates in my 4 year old FOWLR with snails aquarium. I want to set up a refrugium. Any recommendations for lights that don't break the bank?
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YOU ARE THE BEST!! I HAVE 65 GAL TANK. 65 POUND ROCK. I HAVE WAY TO MANY FISH ( 12 ) SMALLER AND WAS RUNNING ABOUT 40 PPM TO 80 PPM.. I'M DOING ABOUT 20 PPM. 2 WEEKS AT 1/2 TEASPOON BUT WATER IS CLOUDY....CUT IT BACK ??? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP...
+ceminger1 not sure if i responded to you or not. cloudy water is fine. that means it's working. make sure you have a protein skimmer or don't do it! i dose 1 teaspoon for every 60 gallons. 1/2 teaspoon for every 60 gallons is perfect. I just do more.
I like in uk . And have a 450l reeftank.what fose would you recommend plese .and haw often
Sticking around 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons worked for me. Sometimes I would use 2 teaspoons per 60 gallons.
I have a 10-gallon nano reef tank. When I test nitrate is around 80ppm-100ppm.So I did water changes twice a week. but it did not solve it. And algae is growing very fast. So please help me to resolve this. I don't have a skimmer only HOB upgraded with active carbon & Ceramic.
do 50% water changes....very very easy to do with that small of a tank
So I'm gonna give this a try. Anyone have and idea about dosage for a nano tank around 7 gallons?
you need a protein skimmer for it to work properly. A protein skimmer removes all the bad stuff after dosing sugar. For a tank that small, it's much better if you do larger water changes....which will be very easy with a 7 gallon tank. At least 50% water change weekly.
one ? i tested the nitrate and it was 40 ppm then 3 days later i did a remodel inside the reef moving rock and a lot of moving sand i had 12 fish in a 75 tank also took 4 fish out and now have 8 fish and let every thing sit for a day later test the nitrate am at - + 140 ppm just wondering what happen if i took fish out or bc i move things around? ps little feeding 20 sec of food for fish to consume .
if you removed some rock you also removed some bacteria from the tank. you also stirred things up. if you stirred the sand up, that's another reason. make sure you're changing your filter media often. at least once a week but if you have more fish or high nitrates, every 3 days. vacuum your sandbed. do more water changes. not sure how often you have done them. make sure you have a protein skimmer and it's running very well. clean stuff. vacuum your overflows out. clean your sump. these are all things that will help you. sounds like you aren't doing something enough......maybe not cleaning enough, to have the high nitrates. if you do all this, you could try carbon dosing with sugar or vodka or white vinegar. also don't know how large your fish are. if you have large fish in there, they are producing a lot of waste, which is contributing to your issue.
I have 40 gallon Been trying to lower nitrate with water changes but still high at 25. How much sugar I need to dose and how many times ?
1 teaspoon per 60 gallons every other day first week then every day 2nd week until it's down. only use with protein skimmer.
Hmm...I realize this is old now, but I thought carbon dosing (like grenadine or vodka) fed anaerobic bacteria that convert nitrates into nitrogen gas, completing the nitrogen cycle. I think the notion that the protein skimmer removes bacteria containing nitrates or the nitrates go back in the water if/when the bacteria dies is just wrong.
it's not wrong. read up on it. when a human body dies, it releases toxins from all orifices including the pores.
Can dose sugar in my main display tank directly? Coz I don’t have sump & I have internal skimmer
yes
So pretty much it’s pointless to do sugar dosing unless you have a protein skimmer because then if not the nitrates will be released again?
yes, correct
Steve on the sugar dosing have you had any problems with Aptasia. The sugar works well I am currently running 4 tanks and I use sugar on all of them and I have Aptasia in all of them.
absolutely no aptasia at all. i had it a long time ago with my first tank and i used aptasia X to kill it. works awesome!
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I have my bio pellet reactor directly feeding my octopus external skimmer my readings across-the-board are zero I think it's because of the external protein skimmer that recycles everything
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In the presence of a carbon source anaerobic bactria convert Nitrates to nitrogen gas which escapes out of the aquarium.
How can dead bacteria release nitrates back into the system ?
these bacteria keep multiplying
My tank is 20 cube all in one system I have no sump and I have a nano dymax skimmer I can still do this method to reduce the nitrate level?
if you have a skimmer, yes. you need a skimmer
so you rather look at cloudy water and loose the beauty of your aquarium ahh don't understand that when fresh water and air stones are available
it's not cloudy it's a slight haze, and it's less than a day everyday, and it's not forever. air stones wouldn't do anything. it's not CLOUDY it's a bacterial bloom taking care of nitrates
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welcome!
my all water get very very cloudy but thanx to my protien skimmer he clear all the water but its too late he runied my all tank my anemons zoanthides and fishes
+deep malik how did your tank get ruined? the water will be a little cloudy due to the bloom. this is normal. you used WAY TOO MUCH. who told you to use so much? i use no more than 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons. you used 4 teaspoons in a 45 gallon aquarium? and you didn't start slowly? that's why.
Hahha we need myth busters. But am going to bed. It don't matter anyway. Your getting the nitrates out. And that's what matters.
carbon dosing works, whether it's sugar, vodka, vinegar or bio pellets or the stuff by seachem over the counter.
I love how blunt and real you keep it, and forward you're to those possible haters that surface from the bowels of satan's butt! Lol! Keep it real and make no excuses for yourself. Thanks for this information, it was informative.
you're very welcome! thanks!
Good stuff man, lol. I found the video, what kind of sugar are you using?
+915Mang Just white table sugar.
Dosing carbon... less is more for sure when starting. Most people unless using a deep sand bed will be very limited in anoxic bacteria. But carbon dosing is a must. The main reason most tanks have low Anoxic bacteria is because there just isn’t enough food to feed them. Protein skimmers are not required for this at all lol.. that makes no sense.. removing excessive nutrients has nothing to do with feeding bacteria that breath nitrate. Carbon dosing is for no other reason then feeding anoxic bacteria. By the time water gets to an anoxic zone in your filtration or tank usually the aerobic bacteria have already consumed most of the food source. So adding in carbon give a greater food supply. Many have the misunderstanding that the bacteria feed off the nitrogen components.. the reality is they breath it in and eat carbon. Honestly the single best thing anyone can do is stop vacuuming your substrate. All you are doing is removing carbon so you then have to dose carbon in other forms to make up the difference of what you’ve removed. You tank is a self sustaining eco system.. all it really needs from you is circulation, light and aeration. The tank will do the rest. I can’t believe how many people I see removing diatoms from their sand.. that is the beginning of sand cycling. That’s the equivalent of washing bio media in bleach! Leave your tank alone and it will go through phases and eventually balance itself. Like bacterial blooms in a new tank... now a days everyone runs to the store buys a uv to clean up the bloom.. what they don’t realize is they are killing B.B. in the water column while they are looking for a h9me in your tank.. 90% of tanks don’t even need filters or sumps... they just need to be left alone.
dude, when the anaerobic bacteria die, where do you think all those nitrates are going to go?! BACK INTO YOUR WATER! the protein skimmers takes care of this by removing from your tank. it's reef tank 101.
Rotter Tube Reef dead bacteria are consumed by worms, snails, etc it’s biology 101. Once everyone stops thinking of their tanks as a tank and starts thinking of it as a full cycle eco system they will come to realize all that fancy equipment and media purchased over the years was a waste of money when all that was needed was proper live rock and live sand. Many tank keeping concepts are backwards. The biggest one being water turnover of 6x-10x that many strive for. The most successful tanks I’ve come across run 1/2 turnover with good aeration and circulation. You need dwell time to filter water which makes fast flow counter intuitive to proper filtration. Skimming proteins is yet another counter intuitive concept. You are doing nothing but removing food source and preventing micro and macro organisms from reproducing to a high enough level to self sustain and full cycle a tank. The only reason a skimmer would be needed is to help for the first 1-2 years of a tank while the eco system seeds and populates. During this time you should be slowly reducing skimming and eventually it won’t be needed at all. The last major no no that is again tank keeping 101.. cleaning substrate. Just like skimming you are doing nothing but removing food and carbon for micro and macro organisms. Nature solved all these issues millions of years ago. I’m not sure why people want to reinvent the wheel? Most of these problems we are self creating then having to buy things to correct them which is nothing more then a crutch preventing nature from doing its job. Yeah a tank won’t look visually appealing for the first couple years.. but it will properly correct itself in time and need nothing more then water top offs and circulation. Don’t take my word for it.. there is a reefing club/group in San Francisco area that keeps tanks exactly like this. They have nothing external to their tanks. They light their tanks mostly with sunlight by windows, have no sumps or other external filtration and have just a couple powerheads for moving the water around the tank and aerating it. There isn’t even the need to feed. It’s a complete self sustaining system. The only thing needed to be occasionally added is some minerals because it’s a closed loop and no way for new minerals to be introduced.
awesome... ok. I'm using chemi pure blue in my HOB filter and poly filter in my canister filter. it's only a 20 gallon. I think I'm feeding to much honestly. I'll back off.
+Anita Nunley you may be feeding too much. vacuum the sand during water changes. with a tank that small, which i used to have, i did a 5 gallon water change every week. that's 25% so my nitrates were always close to 0.
Ok.... Thank you SO MUCH.
Hey Rotter! I totally agree, in this hobby sometimes you want to stock more fish or feed them more than you should. I only have 5 fish, mostly small to medium in my 90g FOWLR but my nitrates are high. I'd like to try this method. How much sugar would you recommend? I have a 15g sump with protien skimmer as well.
Also, do you have any thoughts about deep sand bed being useful or not?
i use 1 tablespoon per 60 gallons of aquarium water, daily. i worked up to that. i am working on a deep sand bed. i like the idea behind it. just don't disturb the sand bed....EVER!
@@ROTTERtube Right on! I have an older deep sand bed with a depth of 4". I used CaribSea aragalive oolite Fiji pink with just a bit courser grain dressed on top. All kinds of worms and microfuana. Worked great while it lasted.
Unfortunately, after some equipment failing and fish dying. I took a break from the hobby, just running a fishless lights off aquarium on a canister filter. Perhaps that caused much of the fauna to deplete. I dont see all the worm tracks nearly as much. Do you know if there's a way to reseed live sand with all those beneficial critters? Or is it better if I rebuild with new sand, saving all the water minus 20% with old sand. I need to move the tank to the living room anyways but this is my dilemma.
Sugar dosing does help, but I haven't gotten to the point where its within parameters. Then thinking... does a DSB eventually get old and need to be changed? no signs of abnormal black or decay even underneath the tank. Do you know if new live sand cause a cycle?
Hi there, great video. I have a 35 Gallon tank with high nitrate reading. I suspect I need to remove a fish. I dosed 1/2 a teaspoon of sugar today so will be keen to see the results. On research, some people have said that sugar dosing can cause your live rocks to go brown. Have you ever experience this, since dosing with sugar?
I have never experienced that at all. after 2 weeks you should see a difference. continue to do water changes. 5 gallons a week water change will help you a lot. not sure what you're doing now but you should do that.
@@ROTTERtube Thanks for the reply. Yes I currently doing the weekly water changes. I've started dosing at 1/2 teaspoon sugar into the sump. Do I continue at this quantity or deduce the amount after a time?
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After dosing with sugar for 2 days my nitrates went from 40 ppm to 0ppm thanks a lot for the info
great!
i dose suger 4 teaspon in 45 my tank and he ruined everything my anemon and my zoanthides
+deep malik you used WAY TOO MUCH. i use no more than 1 teaspoon per 60 gallons. you used 4 teaspoons in a 45 gallon aquarium? and you didn't start slowly? that's why.
have you tested this vs vodka or vinegar or even perhaps biopellets?
+John C Hi John, I won't use biopellets...too much money and I don't want reactors in my sump running more electricity. Vodka is also too expensive but works great from what I read. Sugar is very cheap and works perfect. 0 nitrates in a week or 2 at most.
+ROTTER tube Reef thanks for responding! i'll use sugar then :) have you had any cyano outbreaks from it?
Hello I can add sugar in my tank have fish ???
yes, if you have a protein skimmer
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I'm going to try this! I've been having problems with nitrites. Thank you!
it will solve the issue. make sure you have a protein skimmer and use 1 teaspoon for every 60 gallons of water. if the water gets a little cloudy, that's fine, just use a little less. it won't hurt anything.
awesome thanks been watching this for a bit I've been sugar dosing my skimmer is just filthy now and nitrates at 2ppm using a red sea test kit thanks I'm sure it'll get lower in two weeks
+Adrian Hernandez oh yeah, it will get lower. great job!
Thank you for doing the video hope to see more maybe your setup
I wanted to ask you to look into a vortex diatom filter that runs with diatomaceous earth. I bought it and after about 2 hours it looked as if the fish were swimming in air. I know some people run it all day and it even gets rid of ich in you tank. The powder is very cost effective. I only run it after I feed my fish for about 2 hours and sometimes longer. I thought my corals were being bleached but I found out my starfish was eating them. I also wanted to know how long it took for your nitrates to come down through sugar dosing. Could you also recommend a cheap camera for taking videos of my tank especially with the actinics.
+El Kabong! i don't know much about the vortex diatom filter. depending on cost i may look into it. after dosing 1 teaspoon sugar per 60 gallons, after 1.5 weeks my nitrates were 0. they will climb back up if you don't find the source of the problem. or, you could continue dosing every other day to keep it stable. any good camera will do. i use my iphone a lot for tank shots.
Thank you. I really like Rotter, Mile High, and Mang. I can relate to all of you because we have had setbacks along the way but even though on a budget we still have something nice to show for all the money we spent. It is better than going out all the time. I think I actually save more money in the long run by having a cool hobby like this. Happy reefing.
+El Kabong! cool. thanks! we appreciate it.
thanxxx for reply i ask maney peoples but knowone reply thanxxxxxx bro
+deep malik welcome. you are right. not many people reply. i hate that.
Any longterm effects of sugar? Some people mention vinegar is better than sugar is it true?
not at all. they will both work great since they are both carbon. side fact.....too much sugar in your diet will do the same and breed bacteria, causing you to get sick, stiff and swollen joints.
@@ROTTERtube thankyou i dosed vinegar but was not working then switched to sugar worked like a charm
Any one have any experience using this sugar dosing on a nano aio? I don’t have a skimmer atm I have the innovative marine 25 lagoon. Wondering if anyone has a good skimmer recommendation for it?
you can use it on any aquarium as long as you have a skimmer. any skimmer that fits and that is matched to handle your tank capacity will work
Rotter Tube Reef awesome thanks! 1/8 teaspoon is a good amount? I think I have about 20 gallons of actual water.
that should work fine
hey I love your channel I have learned so much from you , I try to sugar dose my 55 gallon reef tank I did one table spoon small I put it in the sump I have a decent skimmer not the most expensive but does is job but the water became cloudy overnight and I'm freaking out I put a air stone to supply oxygen to my fish . can u give me an advice I don't want my fish to get kill
you put too much sugar. they will be fine. you created a bacterial bloom. it will clear up in 8 hours roughly. you need to build up slowly. I suggest no more than 1 teaspoon for every 60 gallons. you put 1 tablespoon. you should work up to this slowly, maybe 1/2 teaspoon every other day for a week. then 1/2 teaspoon every day for a week. lastly, 1 teaspoon daily. it doesn't have to be perfect.
Thank you so much .
anytime
will this work for freshwater Aquarium? Thank you
I don't think so. you need a protein skimmer to carbon dose.
GREAT VID! love the music too. was that you playing?
thanks! no that wasn't me. i usually avoid putting my music in since it's all copyritten and youtube flags it...so then i'm fighting against myself to prove it's my music. it's a hassle.