I am a long time horder, 27 years. I can still get 6.5 Creedmoor at retail. The horder part, is that I haven't assembled the rifle yet. 6.5 Creedmoor is also avsilable in ELD and the new hyperbalustic loads.
one advantage the 308 has over the 6.5s is diameter,sorry but size stiill and will always matter on big bucks in full rut,my brother just dropped a big 10 at over 500 yards with his 308,it did not complain that the b.c. was under .600 SIZE AND DIAMETER WILL ALWAYS MATTER,SORRY ITS PYSICS
IMO some of the best lesser known cartridges for distance shooting. 6.5-06 22-250 Remington (deceptively good given the low BC) 280 Ackley improved just some food for thought if a person felt like experimenting like I have in the past.
Thank you for a very informative video. I was going to build an AR10 but, ended up buying a Lewis Machine and Tool (LMTMWS308). One thing I love about this AR10 is that to swap barrels I only have 2 bolts to fiddle with and she's good to go. She fits the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel with no problems on the go. Please keep making these kickass videos.
I chose the 6.5 CM for my gasser over the 260rem for one reason. C.O.A.L. because of the shorter case of the creedmoor, I can run longer bullets that are still magazine length.
Good point As far as 142 I know a 260 does not struggle with overall length your mag gives you 2.75” The problem comes from barrel twist to go to a 150 you need a 1-7.5 In the standard barrel twist I seen is 1-8 some 7.5 but mostly 1-8
I built a 6.5 Grendel years ago and love this cartridge! It’s ballistically superior to 5.56/223 in every way except velocity. The 6.5 CM however doesn’t have all these gains over 308. While it’s a very effective caliber and reaches out well past 1,000 yards with less drop/wind drift, however the average shooter can’t shoot past 300 and will buy it to become an “expert”. My son is a recent convert with the Browning X bolt, Nikon Monarch 7, that has never been shot past 200 yards! This is $2,500 worth of scope/rifle combo that will collect dust and I’m soooo jealous!
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Matt I enjoy all of your videos. You are a very smart young man you’re 15 years younger than I am. And you’re very intelligent and I like watching the videos because I actually learn something from them. I learn something new every day and I like the firearms hobby that I have. I’m a retired mechanic and I like working on things. So that’s why I have so many firearms because I get to tinker with them and try to make them better more accurate etc. although you have cost me money because some of the videos I really like and then I went out and purchased a firearm LOL. It’s all good.
A 6.5 projectile, all else being equal, with out penetrate a 308 due to a higher sectional density. So even if you have to give up a little bullet weight the 6.5 should be as good or better on game than the 308 within reason.
Killed a 190 # whitetail buck at 386 yds (double checked) with 2 different lazer rangefinders, 1 shot kill with a 84m Kimber rifle with a 2x10 x44 Steiner scope using 143grn Hornady exdl bullets.... My longest shot complete passthrew breaking 1 shoulder and exciting the futher shoulder. It shoots of the bench .25 moa.... My favorite deer rifle....
I havent looking into it that much. I think a 6.8 (270) size round may be the best of all world in a combat rifle. 556 has debate about its effectiveness leading combat doctors say different things. No one has ever said 7.62x39 isnt enough.
With 150 yrds any deer hit with a 30-30 is freezer meat and will not complain about "lack of power". It's been done a gozzillion times. Where I live that's about the longest shot you'll get. 30-30 is perfect.
I’m building an AR10 and was going to go with .308 barrel but with the info you gave me. 6.5 creedmoor would definitely suit my needs better since I’m not looking for long range more like medium around 200-400 yards is perfect for me in a 16” barrel.
Only problem with that us the the USA government put a complete ban on the 6.5x55 as its a snipe rifle. They don't trust us. I've used this for hunting and its never misses.
@@338bigguns 6.5 Creedmoor runs the same ballistics from factory ammo as the 6.5x55, near as doesn't matter. 6.5 Creedmoor magnum is essentially the PRC.
I was looking to buy a new rifle two years ago, was eyeballing a .308 but a buddy of mine who was army SF talked me into getting a 6.5cm I was zeroing in, got to where I was semi happy with where it was hitting, then shot a 3 shot group to see where the money was. At 200 yards I zeroed, when I went to inspect my target I was upset because I only saw one hole in my target and immediately assumed I missed with 2 of 3 shots. Closer inspection revealed that all 3 shots went through the same hole with the slightest evidence of multiple rounds giving the hole those "mickey mouse ears", if you know what I'm talking about. I backed off another 200 yards, did the exact same thing at 400. I've never owned a rifle where I've been able to place rounds like that before. It instantly became my favorite rifle in my collection. It's like the dang thing was made for me. The company claims that at 1 mile, that rifle will shoot a 15" group. I haven't tried yet but I kind of believe that it's possible simply from what I've done with it seemingly without even trying. The barrel life thing is the only part I'm not happy about, maybe someday metallurgy will be figured out that can remedy that weakness.
I don’t wanna bash anyone for their fave caliber. But a lotta people seem to be wasting their money buying expensive 6.5 ammo when they have no way to shoot it at long ranges It’s popular at our range- which only goes out to 100 yards.
Swedish Mauser shooters don’t need a semi auto. We get it done one shot at the time . And if it gets in to a close fight we have bayonets. Love my swede with hand loads and a Leatherwood LR scope
@@Fudmottin I dont know why you would want a precision cartridge in a semi auto anyway. It will never be as accurate as a bolt gun. If your trying to do precision work you dont need the speed of a semi auto anyway. If your trying to do very fast work, you dont need the accuracy of a precision cartridge or a bolt gun. Different tool, different job.
6.5 is a great bolt gun as well. It will take years to pass the amount of rounds to wear out the barrel. As being said probably not the bet choice on an AR10 platform where it's much easier to hit those round counts to wear out the barrel but also not that bat to drop another barrel in for a couple hundo....
6.5g is the most versatile AR15 Cartridge period . IMO 12.5" 6.5G is the best all around AR15 . Perfect for hunting deer or hogs out to 300 yards. It's also still Super sonic out to 800 yards . So 12.5" 6.5G is perfect for 600 yards and In. Very handle little rig to have. The main difference is one is AR15 and the other is AR10 . Obviously there's more variables. Also 6.5g barrel last you a lifetime due to the slower velocities .
do you consider long-term availability of that round or the popularity of the round I think you mentioned it but I perhaps missed it is this a very popular around because I'm looking for alternative calibers that are somewhat militarily effective because of these 556 shortages Etc
That ~2500 round barrel life is a deal breaker. Would you get comparable velocity with 147gr 308? BC not quite as good but velocity gives you flatter shooting...?
The 0.264" bullets have high BC bullets compared to other popular calibers. The 0.257" however seem to have more hunting options. I do not own a .264" caliber rifle but I am seriously considering the Remington 260. It has more case capacity than the Creedmoor and I can find components to make the cartridge a lot easier. The Creedmoor does a better job of keeping the bullets off the lands prior to dropping the hammer and thus gives a more consistent pressure.
It only has more case capacity using the lighter shorter bullets. Once you go the heavier bullets and have to sink them to fit mag length the extra capacity is gone. Thus the problem with .260 Rem and the Creed was invented.
I'd love some info on .224 Valkyrie. I have a new Anderson lower without an upper and I keep seeing .224V rounds everywhere. I'm talking mainly deer and possibly wild pigs. .i understand that not everyone loves Anderson but I'm on a budget and I have one I have a 7.62x39 side charging upper and I really like the setup so far.
High BC and light bullets can blow away in a full value wind. Hi BC bullets will tumble in the transonic phase. Hi BC bullets need a fast twist rate. Hi BC bullets often have less contact with the barrel and thus less friction but at a cost of less accuracy. Don't put all your apples in a high BC.
It would be interesting to see what the minimum projectile weight and minimum penetration depth (12" FBI minimum recommendation??) needs to be for the 2100+ FPS hydrostatic effect to still be effective at distant (lethal) tearing of soft tissue. Example, I doubt a .177 BB flying at 2200fps would be effective.
I have been shooting 6.5 Creed since there was only one cartridge available. And it is very barrel sensitive once you start pushing it hard. My 26 inch barrel pushes the 147gr. Custom loaded at 2805fps. Lop 2 inches off and you're lucky to push 2600 with that weight. The Thompson 30 is the parent cartridge not the .308. The .260 problem is you can't let the bullets out long enough and still fit mag length thus shorting you on powder. It will come up short on velocity vs. 6.5. Barrel life is relevant to velocity and will only wear fast if running the lighter bullets at 2850 plus. I now have 5275 rnds through my 6.5 and it has just now opened up to an inch. The .308 is irrelevant at this time and the .260rem is great when custom throated and single loaded.
@@donjohnswaggert Not a great choice of words without an explanation. I own both calibers and have extensive PRS with both and also the .260 Rem. The .308 is a great caliber but with the advent of 6.5 Creedmoor it truly is no longer relevant as a first choice caliber to purchase. If you truly want a .30 Cal bullet just download .300 Win mag for less recoil.
@@Meditech509 thank you for your reply. I am looking to diversify and obtain some alternate militarily effective weapon system non 308,non 556,non 7.62×39. As these are now hard to find.
im curious to know how good would the 260 remington have been for military purposes compared to the 6.5 creedmoor this is just random curiosity im not trying to do anything
I may have the 6.5 creedmoor but I'm wishing I could get my hands on 6.5x47 (supposedly is better on barrels with similar velocity to 6.5 creed and 308)
I watched a short doc about a sniper that did a couple tours in the middle east. He said most of his shot had been with 6.5 Creedmoor. He liked it simply because it is really fast and he worried less about drop and wind at his typical fighting distances. Not sure how far that was. He did not elaborate on that part.
@@mannequinfukr not sure, really. Better BC so it holds its velocity longer? Have not compared charts or anything myself to verify that. But, if 6.5cm rounds generally have a better BC that might explain it. The vid I watched did not go deep into specific loads or anything like that. It mostly focused on his combat stories.
I'll pass on the 6.5 creed craze. parts of the military just adopted it and they are going to drop it for 6.8x51 real soon.... Until then I'll keep getting 7.62NATO surplus by the crates and wait for some 6.8x51 rifles and conversions
contrary to what many believe the 6.5 creedmoor is actually based off the .30 thompson center. i thought it was a cut down .308 for a long time. HOWEVER, you can resize .308 brass to 6.5 creedmoor.
I have a buddy thats went 6.5 crazy. He has the 260,6.5 g, 6.5 cred, 6.5 prc. I don't see much difference in all of them. I would rather have the 6.5 x55 or if I wanted long range out of one the 6.5 - 300 weatherby.
The 6.5 CM flies more efficiently than .308. The CM will absolutely deliver more kinetic energy out past 500 yrds than the .308. Inside 500 yrds = .308. Outside 500 yrds = 6.5 CM
I'm going to get a bergara b14 in 6.5 prc. Creedmore that is on steroids. 6.5 143gr movin 2950ish. I wasnt too impressed with the ballistics of the creedmore. But when I saw the 6.5 prc is close to 270 (weight/velocity) which is awesome. Bergara makes a b14 in 270 but not in the b14 wilderness terrain. So looks like I'm buyin a prc
@@CRSFirearms true. I choose to ignore that part so I could be selfish and insert my 2 cents into the conversation. I was just doing my daily service as UA-cam/patreon viewer lol
On the 65 creedmore What about Is penetration at 600 There's a lot of Marine Corps snipers That are evolving to this Round and if you put a steel penetrator alin a trader along with it Along with the ballistic coefficiencyThat's kinda of a mean mama jama
@Southern Gunslinger that sounds similar to my .22 x-cellerator ammo which is a .22 magnum bullet fitted to a 30-06 casing... the ammo box has a DANGER warning ⚠️: this ammo can exceed 4.5 / 5 mile range
@ Politically Unreliable: Criterion, the barrel maker, manufactures various non-standard caliber barrels for the M-1, including - if memory serves - 6.5x55, .270, and of course .308. Can't recall a 25-06, but check 'em out..... maybe they do offer one, or would do a custom job for you.
Heres the problem I have you can get bullets for the .308 that are just as high as creedy.... go to Alco bullets and look at .308 projos sir....... also you say creedy can go to a 11 inch barrel using what powder?? With longer barrels you use a slower powder and get more velocity..... a longer barrel will ALWAYS out do a shorter.....
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Im almost positive the limitations on the 260 are in the bullet weights you can run, and still gain a velocity advantage over the creedmoor. It's due to the way the throat of the chamber is cut. It's why I went with a 6.5 prc, and not the 260 rem. Just what I learned from a little research before I purchased. My 6.5x55 swede does what the creed wants to.
The limitation is barrel twist You max out at 140ish on a 1-8 yes you could most definitely go with more aggressive barrel twist but then you’re sacrificing barrel life even more For 6.5 140-150 it’s about all she wrote
I will have to say thats a fair comparison. I have a 6.5 but its never shot as good as my 308 maybe I got a bad one about 1and a1/2 moa on a good day compared to .5 or better with the 08 I had high hopes not sure what the problem is
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If you’re doing your part, then I would suspect the barrel. Maybe the twist rate for the projectile weight???
So the 260 Rem is superior even though it cannot shoot the heavier 6.5mm bullets (without exceeding short action COL or seating the bullet way back the case), but the 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't measure up to the .308 Win because it's 147-grain bullets fall [imperceptibly] below your 150-grain minimum standard for long-distance shooting. Got it! You are sure working hard not to like the 6.5 Creedmoor...
Sure it's desirable but you give too much up in the now, this being the winter of our discontent the now is rather important. There's not much in the way of picking up bullitz so if you are getting a new gat I would strongly suggest it be in a caliber that you can cast. This rules out bullitz going faster than 2200 feet per second even if you powder coat them because of extreme leading and worse. What you still can get are 12 gauge birdshot even at walmart and each shell contains enough lead and powder for several low velocity heavy bullitz like 44 magnum or suchlike which out of a levergat isn't bad. Now careful reloading and casting because you could get kilt dead or worse.
How is a Creedmoor burning out a barrel in 1/3 the time as .308 when they are moving along at about the same rate? How is Creedmoor going to best a .308 in energy when the Creedmoor starts to even it out? The .308 hits harder within 500 yards. I have both. Your claims to which works better up close makes no sense to me as a hunter. At closer ranges the heavier bullets win. Good luck finding .260.
@Ron Stone You have to look at the time of flight for the bullets. At a thousand yards it takes a whole second for the bullets to reach the target. One step forward or to the side and the animal is missed or gut shot. Then there is the wind, temperature, shooting position.........
@Ron Stone Unless you are using a cannon the energy left in the bullet is insufficient. Look at the energy the bullet has left at long range. Would you hunt a deer with a subsonic full metal jacket bullet? Yes, you can kill a animal with a .22 short. Should you? That shot from the 14 year old is just there to sell rifles. You don't see the times they missed or wounded a animal. Any match shooter will take practice shots to be sure he is on target at long range. You don't get that in the field. That's my opinion based on 40 years of hunting, and hand loading ammunition, and teaching people how to shoot accurately. 99% of the game that is harvested is taken at less than 100 yards. Know your limitations.
Am I the only one that feels less than optimistic about shooting a deer beyond 400 yrds no.matter what caliber? Maybe I'm the only honest one.....them suckers are hard to see even with a 12X scope at that distance.
Compare bullet lengths and geometry...NOT weight! The 7.62 will be shorter and less efficient the the same WEIGHT smaller caliber. This is apple to orange comparison.
6.5 Creedmoor is from a 30 TC case not 308, 260 parent cartridge is the 308
A 30tc is a cut down 308
Jerry Martin No from 270
One advantage with the 6.5 creedmoor over the 260 is it seems like the ammo availability is maybe a little better.
Nowadays it's probably the opposite, 6.5 Creed was getting pretty popular before the great ammo shortage.
My local stores are completely empty. Except for 10 to 20 boxes of CM each
I am a long time horder, 27 years. I can still get 6.5 Creedmoor at retail. The horder part, is that I haven't assembled the rifle yet. 6.5 Creedmoor is also avsilable in ELD and the new hyperbalustic loads.
one advantage the 308 has over the 6.5s is diameter,sorry but size stiill and will always matter on big bucks in full rut,my brother just dropped a big 10 at over 500 yards with his 308,it did not complain that the b.c. was under .600 SIZE AND DIAMETER WILL ALWAYS MATTER,SORRY ITS PYSICS
IMO some of the best lesser known cartridges for distance shooting.
6.5-06
22-250 Remington (deceptively good given the low BC)
280 Ackley improved
just some food for thought if a person felt like experimenting like I have in the past.
I'm trying to get my grandfather's 25-06.
I know he paid 1k for it back in the late 70s. Has Never Left his cabinet.
Always wanted a 6.5/06
@@albertlemont5471 would a 30-06case with a 30-30 bullet fit?
@@bansheemania1692 30-06 and 30-30 are both .308 diameter projectiles so if you're asking if the projectiles are interchangeable, yes.
22-250 is a beast for intermediate range coyote hunting. Speed offsets any questionable bc for that round all day long.
Thank you for a very informative video. I was going to build an AR10 but, ended up buying a Lewis Machine and Tool (LMTMWS308). One thing I love about this AR10 is that to swap barrels I only have 2 bolts to fiddle with and she's good to go. She fits the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel with no problems on the go. Please keep making these kickass videos.
I chose the 6.5 CM for my gasser over the 260rem for one reason. C.O.A.L. because of the shorter case of the creedmoor, I can run longer bullets that are still magazine length.
Good point
As far as 142 I know a 260 does not struggle with overall length your mag gives you 2.75”
The problem comes from barrel twist to go to a 150 you need a 1-7.5
In the standard barrel twist I seen is 1-8 some 7.5 but mostly 1-8
I built a 6.5 Grendel years ago and love this cartridge! It’s ballistically superior to 5.56/223 in every way except velocity.
The 6.5 CM however doesn’t have all these gains over 308. While it’s a very effective caliber and reaches out well past 1,000 yards with less drop/wind drift, however the average shooter can’t shoot past 300 and will buy it to become an “expert”.
My son is a recent convert with the Browning X bolt, Nikon Monarch 7, that has never been shot past 200 yards! This is $2,500 worth of scope/rifle combo that will collect dust and I’m soooo jealous!
Matt I enjoy all of your videos. You are a very smart young man you’re 15 years younger than I am. And you’re very intelligent and I like watching the videos because I actually learn something from them. I learn something new every day and I like the firearms hobby that I have. I’m a retired mechanic and I like working on things. So that’s why I have so many firearms because I get to tinker with them and try to make them better more accurate etc. although you have cost me money because some of the videos I really like and then I went out and purchased a firearm LOL. It’s all good.
A 6.5 projectile, all else being equal, with out penetrate a 308 due to a higher sectional density. So even if you have to give up a little bullet weight the 6.5 should be as good or better on game than the 308 within reason.
Killed a 190 # whitetail buck at 386 yds (double checked) with 2 different lazer rangefinders, 1 shot kill with a 84m Kimber rifle with a 2x10 x44 Steiner scope using 143grn Hornady exdl bullets.... My longest shot complete passthrew breaking 1 shoulder and exciting the futher shoulder. It shoots of the bench .25 moa.... My favorite deer rifle....
My buddy just bought a 6.5 creedmoor so I’ll get a crash course pretty soon
I havent looking into it that much. I think a 6.8 (270) size round may be the best of all world in a combat rifle. 556 has debate about its effectiveness leading combat doctors say different things. No one has ever said 7.62x39 isnt enough.
Rex reviews does a great job explaining g7 vs g1 bc numbers if your interested in that topic.
Great video brother!
Thank you very useful information.
I'd like to see the benefits in the shortcomings of the 30-30. Preferably lever action.
With 150 yrds any deer hit with a 30-30 is freezer meat and will not complain about "lack of power". It's been done a gozzillion times. Where I live that's about the longest shot you'll get. 30-30 is perfect.
@@mattpeacock5208 It's also a good brush gun.
Its comparable to 7.62x39 and 300 blk.
@@believe722 plus lever action rifles are just plane cool!
I’m building an AR10 and was going to go with .308 barrel but with the info you gave me. 6.5 creedmoor would definitely suit my needs better since I’m not looking for long range more like medium around 200-400 yards is perfect for me in a 16” barrel.
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Need more power than 6.5CM? Go with the 6.5 PRC.
Or be different, go 6.5x55 Swede.
Or be even more different, go with .257 Roberts.
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Only problem with that us the the USA government put a complete ban on the 6.5x55 as its a snipe rifle. They don't trust us. I've used this for hunting and its never misses.
@@338bigguns 6.5 Creedmoor runs the same ballistics from factory ammo as the 6.5x55, near as doesn't matter.
6.5 Creedmoor magnum is essentially the PRC.
Thank you for this information and Great Video 😎🤙
Thanks
I was looking to buy a new rifle two years ago, was eyeballing a .308 but a buddy of mine who was army SF talked me into getting a 6.5cm
I was zeroing in, got to where I was semi happy with where it was hitting, then shot a 3 shot group to see where the money was. At 200 yards I zeroed, when I went to inspect my target I was upset because I only saw one hole in my target and immediately assumed I missed with 2 of 3 shots. Closer inspection revealed that all 3 shots went through the same hole with the slightest evidence of multiple rounds giving the hole those "mickey mouse ears", if you know what I'm talking about. I backed off another 200 yards, did the exact same thing at 400.
I've never owned a rifle where I've been able to place rounds like that before. It instantly became my favorite rifle in my collection. It's like the dang thing was made for me. The company claims that at 1 mile, that rifle will shoot a 15" group. I haven't tried yet but I kind of believe that it's possible simply from what I've done with it seemingly without even trying. The barrel life thing is the only part I'm not happy about, maybe someday metallurgy will be figured out that can remedy that weakness.
I don’t wanna bash anyone for their fave caliber. But a lotta people seem to be wasting their money buying expensive 6.5 ammo when they have no way to shoot it at long ranges
It’s popular at our range- which only goes out to 100 yards.
Awesome video bro. Thanks for making it. ✊👌👍
Thanks
Good info.
260 Remington vs 6.5 creedmoor...
In comes the 6.5x55 swedish..😎
Sadly the legendary Swedish round won't fit in the AR-10 magazine.
@@Fudmottin I know 😔.
Swedish Mauser shooters don’t need a semi auto. We get it done one shot at the time . And if it gets in to a close fight we have bayonets. Love my swede with hand loads and a Leatherwood LR scope
@@H.R.6688 don’t be sad. The swede is a fantastic rifle
@@Fudmottin I dont know why you would want a precision cartridge in a semi auto anyway. It will never be as accurate as a bolt gun. If your trying to do precision work you dont need the speed of a semi auto anyway. If your trying to do very fast work, you dont need the accuracy of a precision cartridge or a bolt gun. Different tool, different job.
6.5 is a great bolt gun as well. It will take years to pass the amount of rounds to wear out the barrel. As being said probably not the bet choice on an AR10 platform where it's much easier to hit those round counts to wear out the barrel but also not that bat to drop another barrel in for a couple hundo....
Can you do a video like this on the 6.5 Grendel? I'm considering one for my next build. Wondering how it compares to the Creedmoor. Thanks.
6.5g is the most versatile AR15 Cartridge period . IMO 12.5" 6.5G is the best all around AR15 . Perfect for hunting deer or hogs out to 300 yards. It's also still Super sonic out to 800 yards . So 12.5" 6.5G is perfect for 600 yards and In. Very handle little rig to have.
The main difference is one is AR15 and the other is AR10 . Obviously there's more variables.
Also 6.5g barrel last you a lifetime due to the slower velocities .
@@seanwhite304 good info. Thanks
Coming soon
@@CRSFirearms Thank you. "To the white board of knowledge!"
@D_BEAUX 78 so would it be better to build an AR 15 in 6.5 grendel instead of 226?
I have an Aero Precision with 24 inch Wilson Combat 24 inch super sniper barrel, 1/2 moa all day long. In 260 Remington
People forget .260 is better ballistically
do you consider long-term availability of that round or the popularity of the round I think you mentioned it but I perhaps missed it is this a very popular around because I'm looking for alternative calibers that are somewhat militarily effective because of these 556 shortages Etc
Only center fire rifle I own is a Remington 783 with a 16 inch barrel in 6.5 creedmore
Good video man, very informative about 6.5 . Do you have any video like this one on 30-06.
That ~2500 round barrel life is a deal breaker.
Would you get comparable velocity with 147gr 308? BC not quite as good but velocity gives you flatter shooting...?
The 0.264" bullets have high BC bullets compared to other popular calibers. The 0.257" however seem to have more hunting options. I do not own a .264" caliber rifle but I am seriously considering the Remington 260. It has more case capacity than the Creedmoor and I can find components to make the cartridge a lot easier. The Creedmoor does a better job of keeping the bullets off the lands prior to dropping the hammer and thus gives a more consistent pressure.
Great article on the near of kin in the 6.5 stuff. thebiggamehuntingblog.com/260-remington-vs-6-5-creedmoor-vs-6-5x55-swede/
It only has more case capacity using the lighter shorter bullets. Once you go the heavier bullets and have to sink them to fit mag length the extra capacity is gone. Thus the problem with .260 Rem and the Creed was invented.
Exactly!
I'd love some info on .224 Valkyrie. I have a new Anderson lower without an upper and I keep seeing .224V rounds everywhere. I'm talking mainly deer and possibly wild pigs. .i understand that not everyone loves Anderson but I'm on a budget and I have one I have a 7.62x39 side charging upper and I really like the setup so far.
Maaan if u push a bullet into the brass that would be crazy.. If I were to build a 6.5 id go 260 akley improved.
Do one on .458 SOCOM. Not many people have one but I do. 😎
@Dogman tossed my salad I'm ignorant, why is it pooh?
I'd like to see you do this with
6 ARC
6.5 is an awesome round
Your not dead... love your videos
High BC and light bullets can blow away in a full value wind. Hi BC bullets will tumble in the transonic phase. Hi BC bullets need a fast twist rate. Hi BC bullets often have less contact with the barrel and thus less friction but at a cost of less accuracy. Don't put all your apples in a high BC.
It would be interesting to see what the minimum projectile weight and minimum penetration depth (12" FBI minimum recommendation??) needs to be for the 2100+ FPS hydrostatic effect to still be effective at distant (lethal) tearing of soft tissue. Example, I doubt a .177 BB flying at 2200fps would be effective.
I didnt know about the much shorter barrel life of 6.5 cm. Now i want to go 308 for my first bolt rifle.
I have been shooting 6.5 Creed since there was only one cartridge available. And it is very barrel sensitive once you start pushing it hard. My 26 inch barrel pushes the 147gr. Custom loaded at 2805fps. Lop 2 inches off and you're lucky to push 2600 with that weight. The Thompson 30 is the parent cartridge not the .308. The .260 problem is you can't let the bullets out long enough and still fit mag length thus shorting you on powder. It will come up short on velocity vs. 6.5. Barrel life is relevant to velocity and will only wear fast if running the lighter bullets at 2850 plus. I now have 5275 rnds through my 6.5 and it has just now opened up to an inch. The .308 is irrelevant at this time and the .260rem is great when custom throated and single loaded.
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Why is 308 irrelevant?
@@donjohnswaggert Not a great choice of words without an explanation. I own both calibers and have extensive PRS with both and also the .260 Rem. The .308 is a great caliber but with the advent of 6.5 Creedmoor it truly is no longer relevant as a first choice caliber to purchase. If you truly want a .30 Cal bullet just download .300 Win mag for less recoil.
@@Meditech509 thank you for your reply. I am looking to diversify and obtain some alternate
militarily effective weapon system non 308,non 556,non 7.62×39.
As these are now hard to find.
im curious to know how good would the 260 remington have been for military purposes compared to the 6.5 creedmoor this is just random curiosity im not trying to do anything
7 mm 08 is a great round
I think you make cents....around two cents. Thanks for puttin them in ! You and the “white board” of knowledge.
Thanks
I may have the 6.5 creedmoor but I'm wishing I could get my hands on 6.5x47 (supposedly is better on barrels with similar velocity to 6.5 creed and 308)
I watched a short doc about a sniper that did a couple tours in the middle east. He said most of his shot had been with 6.5 Creedmoor. He liked it simply because it is really fast and he worried less about drop and wind at his typical fighting distances. Not sure how far that was. He did not elaborate on that part.
6.5 CM has similar velocities to 308 at the muzzle. Idk where the claim came from on it being really fast
@@mannequinfukr not sure, really. Better BC so it holds its velocity longer? Have not compared charts or anything myself to verify that. But, if 6.5cm rounds generally have a better BC that might explain it. The vid I watched did not go deep into specific loads or anything like that. It mostly focused on his combat stories.
I'll pass on the 6.5 creed craze. parts of the military just adopted it and they are going to drop it for 6.8x51 real soon.... Until then I'll keep getting 7.62NATO surplus by the crates and wait for some 6.8x51 rifles and conversions
contrary to what many believe the 6.5 creedmoor is actually based off the .30 thompson center. i thought it was a cut down .308 for a long time. HOWEVER, you can resize .308 brass to 6.5 creedmoor.
When does a 6.5 drop below 2200ft when shot out of 16"?
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I have a buddy thats went 6.5 crazy.
He has the 260,6.5 g, 6.5 cred, 6.5 prc.
I don't see much difference in all of them. I would rather have the 6.5 x55 or if I wanted long range out of one the 6.5 - 300 weatherby.
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What does the red dot in alot of your titles mean ?
What about 30-06?
Is it better than the caliber you talked about?
I enjoy all your videos. I just killed another deer with my Winchester 30/30 my favorite rifle.
Thanks
The 6.5 CM flies more efficiently than .308. The CM will absolutely deliver more kinetic energy out past 500 yrds than the .308. Inside 500 yrds = .308. Outside 500 yrds = 6.5 CM
I'm going to get a bergara b14 in 6.5 prc.
Creedmore that is on steroids. 6.5 143gr movin 2950ish. I wasnt too impressed with the ballistics of the creedmore. But when I saw the 6.5 prc is close to 270 (weight/velocity) which is awesome. Bergara makes a b14 in 270 but not in the b14 wilderness terrain. So looks like I'm buyin a prc
That won’t fit in an ar10
@@CRSFirearms true. I choose to ignore that part so I could be selfish and insert my 2 cents into the conversation. I was just doing my daily service as UA-cam/patreon viewer lol
On the 65 creedmore What about Is penetration at 600 There's a lot of Marine Corps snipers That are evolving to this Round and if you put a steel penetrator alin a trader along with it Along with the ballistic coefficiencyThat's kinda of a mean mama jama
How about a video on 6.5 Grendel vs the 5.56.
Where can I get that sweater
Next 6.8 Grendel Please. 🙏
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Can you do a video on .17 hornet .22 hornet and .22-250 those are my favorite rounds as of now
@Southern Gunslinger that sounds similar to my .22 x-cellerator ammo which is a .22 magnum bullet fitted to a 30-06 casing... the ammo box has a DANGER warning ⚠️: this ammo can exceed 4.5 / 5 mile range
@@tequilachaser2954 25-06. 30-06 necked for a Little baby pill.
Need a M1 Garand barreled for .25-06 Remington.
@ Politically Unreliable: Criterion, the barrel maker, manufactures various non-standard caliber barrels for the M-1, including - if memory serves - 6.5x55, .270, and of course .308. Can't recall a 25-06, but check 'em out..... maybe they do offer one, or would do a custom job for you.
As soon as 300 win mag enters the discussion I think you MUST bring up .270
Heres the problem I have you can get bullets for the .308 that are just as high as creedy.... go to Alco bullets and look at .308 projos sir....... also you say creedy can go to a 11 inch barrel using what powder?? With longer barrels you use a slower powder and get more velocity..... a longer barrel will ALWAYS out do a shorter.....
The shorter barrel life, alone, is a deal breaker.
If you’re spending at least $2600-$3000 in ammo to burn out that barrel should you really be concerned about the cost of replacing it?
Why 308 or 300 win mag? My favorite is 30 06
6.5x55 has been doing this since the 19th century. This idea isn't new.
But now it fits into a short action.
I love 6.5cm. How do I get that hoodie?
Your channel is amazing. I'm from socal. Thanks for clearing up the guns to idiots. Vote red and vote out all dems. Make America great again. God bless
Can you do one on 6.5 Grendal vs 6.8 spc?
Soon
Thank you! I love your videos. Keep it up man. Thanks
@@CRSFirearms also isn't 6.5 creedmoor 6.5 X 49 mm? Not 6.5 X 48? But one could say 6.5 by 48.8 but who know.
Im almost positive the limitations on the 260 are in the bullet weights you can run, and still gain a velocity advantage over the creedmoor. It's due to the way the throat of the chamber is cut. It's why I went with a 6.5 prc, and not the 260 rem. Just what I learned from a little research before I purchased. My 6.5x55 swede does what the creed wants to.
The limitation is barrel twist
You max out at 140ish on a 1-8 yes you could most definitely go with more aggressive barrel twist but then you’re sacrificing barrel life even more
For 6.5 140-150 it’s about all she wrote
I will have to say thats a fair comparison. I have a 6.5 but its never shot as good as my 308 maybe I got a bad one about 1and a1/2 moa on a good day compared to .5 or better with the 08 I had high hopes not sure what the problem is
If you’re doing your part, then I would suspect the barrel. Maybe the twist rate for the projectile weight???
I don't think the 6.5 is a cut down 308 cartridge. Its a 30 Thompson center cartridge
270
I cannot find 6.5 creedmore during the pandemic. Literally I can find sooooo like soooo much more 6mm creedmore
2000 round count is kinda low estimate
So the 260 Rem is superior even though it cannot shoot the heavier 6.5mm bullets (without exceeding short action COL or seating the bullet way back the case), but the 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't measure up to the .308 Win because it's 147-grain bullets fall [imperceptibly] below your 150-grain minimum standard for long-distance shooting. Got it!
You are sure working hard not to like the 6.5 Creedmoor...
Sure it's desirable but you give too much up in the now, this being the winter of our discontent the now is rather important. There's not much in the way of picking up bullitz so if you are getting a new gat I would strongly suggest it be in a caliber that you can cast. This rules out bullitz going faster than 2200 feet per second even if you powder coat them because of extreme leading and worse. What you still can get are 12 gauge birdshot even at walmart and each shell contains enough lead and powder for several low velocity heavy bullitz like 44 magnum or suchlike which out of a levergat isn't bad. Now careful reloading and casting because you could get kilt dead or worse.
Its difficult to say the least.
We need rounds! And and realistically we need rounds at punch through armor
@@donjohnswaggert you don't have to go through armour, aim low.
@@colonelangus8247 well friend, I have to think about that!
@@colonelangus8247 or aim high at the head. Either or would work.
I wish I could used bottlenecked cartridges in ohio for hunting
They don’t let you use bullets that have a bottleneck so like only straight wall cartridges?
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Well the 308 is bad ass so you no my pick enough said thanks for the video
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The 416 Barrett looks promising. Big bullet. High BC. Lots of thump... At both ends! LOL.
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Why does 6.5 look like 5.45...
How is a Creedmoor burning out a barrel in 1/3 the time as .308 when they are moving along at about the same rate? How is Creedmoor going to best a .308 in energy when the Creedmoor starts to even it out? The .308 hits harder within 500 yards. I have both. Your claims to which works better up close makes no sense to me as a hunter. At closer ranges the heavier bullets win. Good luck finding .260.
Shit power. It's branded as a long range round but is about as good as a rock at 600 yards
Everything you need to know.... yeah its not .303 brit ☝️😌.
I've never shot creedmore. I always hated the band creed so.... Nah kidding but I have shot 6.5 carcano
I am six feet from the edge and I am thinking maybe 9mm is all I need....
Because people like yourself keep doing videos on it.......
Peedmoor is a bandwagon cartridge change my mind.
6.5shitsmoor
Lol
Hold on now!
What's that supposed to mean? And why? Is it a fad? This the bandwagon'n?
ua-cam.com/video/rSmtHBMjXLU/v-deo.html
It means change my mind, sometimes words are hard.
Need a better pointer knife dude...
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At 400 yards the 6.5 is nearly identical to the 308. Any shot beyond 400 yards at a animal is unethical.
@Ron Stone
You have to look at the time of flight for the bullets. At a thousand yards it takes a whole second for the bullets to reach the target. One step forward or to the side and the animal is missed or gut shot. Then there is the wind, temperature, shooting position.........
@Ron Stone
This video is a good start to all the reasons long range shooting is unethical.
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@Ron Stone
This video shows the limits of cartridges at long range.
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@Ron Stone
Unless you are using a cannon the energy left in the bullet is insufficient. Look at the energy the bullet has left at long range. Would you hunt a deer with a subsonic full metal jacket bullet? Yes, you can kill a animal with a .22 short. Should you? That shot from the 14 year old is just there to sell rifles. You don't see the times they missed or wounded a animal. Any match shooter will take practice shots to be sure he is on target at long range. You don't get that in the field. That's my opinion based on 40 years of hunting, and hand loading ammunition, and teaching people how to shoot accurately. 99% of the game that is harvested is taken at less than 100 yards. Know your limitations.
Am I the only one that feels less than optimistic about shooting a deer beyond 400 yrds no.matter what caliber? Maybe I'm the only honest one.....them suckers are hard to see even with a 12X scope at that distance.
Compare bullet lengths and geometry...NOT weight! The 7.62 will be shorter and less efficient the the same WEIGHT smaller caliber. This is apple to orange comparison.
308 was good enough for gunny so thats good enough for me. 6.5 might disappear in the next 10 years
6.5 is overrated and so is the video
That’s what I said
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