Here's Why Carlos Left G2
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- I can’t believe I’m saying it, but Carlos “ocelote” Rodriguez has stepped down as CEO of G2 Esports.
He was initially on an eight-week suspension from the org but, after Riot Games revoked G2’s Valorant partnership, it seems like maybe the board decided that the damage from his recent actions was too severe.
So now that we’re here - what exactly happened, whose fault is this really, and what’s next for Carlos and G2?
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took him 10 years to build g2, gave it away in 2 hours.
Riot snowflaking the shit out of this one
@@filip2736 not their fault Carlos is a brand liability
@@PotatoGawds maybe for G2, not for Riot
@@Alan-tn6ls Anyone involved with Carlos is in hot water. Andrew Tate still under investigation for human trafficking and Carlos refuse to delete both tweet with he party with him and state that Tate is his friend.
@@Alan-tn6ls If Riot partnered with G2, then Tate becomes riot’s problem. Being a douchebag and a troll doesn’t make Tate brand friendly. As a CEO, Carlos’ video reflects badly on the company as a whole. If it starts hurting the business, then either Carlos has to go or G2 endorses his friendship with Tate. I believe that you have the right to party and be friends with whomever you want, but when you are a public representative, you have a duty to your company. At the time, Carlos was still the CEO of G2, so it is understandable that riot would not want to partner with the organization.
“This is an extremely weird argument that I don’t really get” is actually golden. What a based take, Josh.
Let's be honest, everyone can hang out with whoever they want. However, when they risk their company millions of dollars, it is no longer a personal issue.
Riot strong armed g2 to drop him
@@catsanddogs5728 that's because they can, and they did. carlos knows this, and STILL decided to swim against the flow.
@@lololol5371 because of you
That's why you never make ur corp public...atleast If it was private he could just said he was going to shutdown and disban the org if they strong armed him. Then they'd have no choice but to still do it and cost a jobs making riot the bad guy or to let him staying out of their business.
He committed career suicide. Wether you like Tate or not, it’s obvious that you shouldn’t associate your company with him. He’s got horrible PR atm.
For a video Carlos got removed as CEO. Regi had an open investigation and only got to take rage classes. The difference between eu and na is interesting
It was a snowball effect, he associated himself with a dude that was banned in multiple platforms, decided to share that association publicly then proceed to double down defending on his position when it costed millions for his ORG and also affected the image of the last, Regi just STFU and kept a low profile while doing PR.
the difference is carlos case resulting his org losing spot at valorant tournament and regi not
Don't forget all the shit Riot managers were doing in the past and how they had to settle all those lawsuits for toxic work environment.
Carlos' problem lost G2 a spot in Valorant's franchised league when they were pretty much locked in. The fastest growing e-sport with an opportunity for the biggest orgs to go all-out and get the best possible talent and cement their fanbases and sponsorships, not to mention the millions they would save from RIOT handing them stipends. The majority of G2's stock is owned by 3rd party investors, they decide (through a board of directors) what direction the company takes and they decided Carlos wasn't good for them so they agreed for Carlos to step down as CEO.
Regi's problems while just as bad (arguably worse) didn't cause TSM to lose a spot in franchising (since they never secured a slot in the first place), Regi also retains the largest stock in TSM and has majority ownership, no board of directors can force him to step down even if they wanted to.
Also don't water down what Carlos did, he associated himself with Andrew Tate, that man is poison for PR, he was so bad that he had to be booted off of all social media platforms even though he was likely making them millions. Carlos is the face of G2, his actions reflect on the company so when Carlos parties with Andrew Tate then it might as well be that all of G2 is partying with him.
Edit: just in case it wasn't clear enough, it wasn't RIOT or twitter or whatever bs "na vs eu" narrative you're peddling that forced carlos to resign, it was the investors and sponsors who lost millions of dollars because the CEO and face of your company decided to not only party with a brand's worst nightmare, he also decided to double down and defend that friendship.
@@PhoenE plus riot got themselves into a 100mill gender discrimination lawsuit recently, can't let this one slide
Here guys is a true explanation of the situation, no taking sides, you nailed this time (sorry for my bad english, I'm not a native speaker)
Hi (i sincerely apologize for my rather less advanced English speaking skills, as I find myself being an immigrant currently residing in the United Kingdom)
@@VorTexow Whats up i sincerely apologize for my rather less advanced English speaking skills, as I find myself being an non english speaker currently residing in India)
I mean they definitely took a side, but didn't go too far into it
You good tho (I'm really sorry for my bad English, i'm still learning the alphabets)
I don't understand why people are mad about this. Yes people can be friends with whoever they want but this isn't about that. This is about the CEO/face of G2 publicly showing support/not condemning Andrew Tate. Now you can obviously do that if the organisation and other companies you work with don't have issue with that. But in this case you are going straight against what Riot/G2 try to brand themselves as, causing major damage to the G2 brand and causing Riot to have to pick a side to avoid the brand damage spreading to them. In the end it's a business and his actions caused them money. Now this might not be a reason for you to stop being a G2 fan but as the internet shows there are plenty of people that do think that. Being in a public position like CEO means that your actions public or not can have major consequences for you and the company you represent.
I think it's the fact that SJWs have so much clout Companies pussy out and make CEO step down because his friendship with a controversial person. Haven't seen all the Andrew Takes but haven't seen any completely radical to justify such a decision.
Good take, but I feel like the issue is not as simple as you make it seem. The issue is not public opinion at all. If Carlos decides to do something that will cause its organization to lose fans, that's one thing. That's how all brands work. And that's also why most brands lie, and push for things that are popular, but not necessarily what they believe in.
The issue is when a game publisher/event organizer decides to kick a team from his event because the CEO of the organization is posting pictures with someone they don't like, because that gives a corporation power to label someone as good or bad. Imagine that some public figure that you like said something bad about Riot, and then the CEO of some team posted a video partying with them, and then they decided to kick said team from their events. Riot has such right, but that's at the very least an attack to that person's freedom to interact with whoever they want and to be themselves.
What that means is that Riot now has the power to dictate what's right and wrong, who is good and who is bad, and all of its business partners need to hide who they interact with, for example. Now expand that concept to even bigger corporations, Google, Facebook, Valve, imagine that they can now tell who you can associate with or not. What you can post online or not. They are all private companies, and wealthy or not that they don't need to worry about losing one or two business partners. That to me looks like a serious issue to personal freedom.
If Facebook decided to delete all content supporting some political view, it would be considered censorship. If a company does the same, but popular opinion agrees with it, it's fine. That's scary, because what is right and what is popular is constantly changing. This time, it might have been something you agree with, tomorrow it might be someone who you like.
Whether Tate is a good or bad person is beside the point. Cutting ties with a business partner because their CEO posted an interaction with a person you disagree with is horrifying.
But the hate from the public opinion is deserved.
Exactly, he obviously knows that Andrew Tate is persona non grata in the world of fair play + inclusion. Partying with Andrew Tate should never have been important enough to risk any controversy at all. There's zero gain and infinite risk, and he found this out the hard way.
Fun Fact: you can not share the same views with a Person and still have a good time with them.
@@reizelcsgo Dunno whatchu doin in yt comments of backwards Score eDrama Channel but we need ppl like you in legislation.
Although I disagree about the personality as in if Tate really said Death to all women or dumb shit like that or I'd understand such a decision if Carlos partied hard with Putin atm, nothing against the later but it'd make sense, but reality is such as you've described and I'm glad there are people that see the issue on the bigger scale.
Also your explanatory skills are wasted in this purgatory
He was a liabililty in business terms. Regardless of what you think it was irresponsible of him
Amen. Common sense
Nah man it just shows you how Nazi-ism and fascism is destroying this country. Canceling someone because of who they hangout with lol totally fascist BS and if you disagree you’re legitimately no different than a NAZI.
Nope, people are obsessed with things that don't affect them.
We get that, but because he is friends with someone, is that enough reason to even start being a liability in the first place? Isn't this a bit farfetched?
@@Demos_Michael If you're the CEO, yes of course. It's your job to stay away from bad press.
His "I can party with whoever I want" tweet is in the aged like milk hall of fame
Turns out he can’t.
@@krusher181 Turns out he can, he just needs to face the consequences
@@albertwang6465 what did he do wrong exactly??? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@albertwang6465 oh yeah, true that
Actions having consequences… foreign concept to me
Nah, milk survives a few days. His tweet aged like raw chicken left in a car on a summer day.
This month full of chaotic event and you guys keep covering all of them.. Respect. Keep it up guys. ❤
however you feel about the matter, there is no denying it was just not smart for carlos to post that video on his twitter, he should have expected that kind of backlash
True, but why do people care?
@@Pizzakindagoodtbh People will start caring when they follow your brand, buy merch from your brand, giving money to you, essentially they will feel like they are sponsoring and encouraging you to interact with people like Andrew
@@cheshirest9067 understandable, i have bought some merch from g2 and supported them for a while. Im not a AT fanboy, but i just dont care if carlos was at a party with AT. He is a free man, just sucks to see that people cant see the difference between a man and a org. Imo
@@Pizzakindagoodtbh nobody cares who carlos partied with. the issue is and always has been about him posting that video on twitter -- the home of the outrage mob, who will @ every single sponsor if you just looked at them funny. why couldn't carlos just have did whatever he did in his own time and kept it private? why double down? THAT'S what people found insane and inexplicable. his twitter is public, and he's a de facto representative of G2, this was a self-inflicted PR disaster from start to finish.
@@cheshirest9067 bro i mean if i got invited to a banger of a party i'd go, like why should you be denied a good time and fun party just because a famous guy named andrew tate is there. People are entitled to do whatever they want.
the doubled down really is the problem
Thats what made him seem more of a liability
yeah cause people want him to sniff like a dog and seek forgiveness, I'm glad he retaliated
He didn’t want to apologize for something that he hasn’t done wrong. Suspend him to protect PR for G2 but riot overstepped here revoking valo team
@@catsanddogs5728 overstepped by doing something that is completely designed for this exact purpose. removing teams for bad pr is literally why they designed their team system this way
@@sladder they didn't have the b*lls to do it in league, and why hasn't valve done anything for example, or ubisoft, or anyone else ? milking is the key word here
A summary (more like small essay) of the 40 min Spanish stream from what i understood.
The first thing they address in regards to Carlos, is the summary everyone knows about Andrew Tates background, and Carlos' affiliation with him, and how Carlos doubled down on his non apology in his twitter account, and then Carlos liking posts from his supporters.
then comes the insider information that was discussed, which they said came from a meeting that G2 had that wasnt meant to go public. This however, the host of the spanish stream claims he would like to get another person to confirm the the claims he heard, these being: because of Carlos' decisions riot had left out G2 from valorant franchising.
Riot had approached G2 saying that Carlos had been blacklisted, as Riot didn't want Carlos to be associated with RIOT (him being CEO meant G2 was also got tied in). This is why despite being, and i quote, "assured a spot in valorant franchising" were ultimately left out by riot in their last minute emergency meeting.
this decision cost G2 estimated $15M to $40M dollars.
The thing is, it was also claimed, people feared this could potentially lead to them losing G2's spot in the LEC as well.
as a result of this it was quoted by Esportmaniacos that Carlos PRESUMABLY fired and "had" to sell his shares of the company (not 100% confirmed in that stream either, however we will see more arguments to support this later) hinted because of the language he chose to use in his goodbye video.
They go on to compare this to the dismantling of EchoFox, were EchoFox was also "forced" to sell the entire team in this case, because members involved in controversy refused to sell their share and back out of the company.
they go on to discus that despite these being completely different team organisations, the publisher that at the end of the day dictates the spot of teams in its leagues, in any of their games, is Riot. They discus the idea that if RIOT closed doors for the teams in one game (in this case Valorant) why wouldn't they also threaten to close doors for teams in their other games like league in the LEC.
They go on to argue that Riot perhaps wouldn't kick G2 out of the LEC because they are ALREADY a franchised team in that league and game, however the opportunity to threaten that is a power that riot still holds.
Esportmaniacos says that the timing of these events (regarding Carlos' RESPONSES to the initial video) was horrible. claiming that had it not been this close to riots valorant franchising announcement's, and had he not said anything, it is unlikely that Carlos would have been fired for "just a video", but it was more than just a couple of tweets.
They highlight the very basic business structural fact that if a person loses the company almost any sum of money, it is expected for them to be fired as a result.
Then they argue that Carlos cost the company an insane amount of money, stemming from valorant franchising, valorant sponsors, and possibly future sponsors from valorant as well.
They state that from 2 separate sources, they revealed that a sponsor from the LEC already called G2 stating they did not want to cancel their sponsorship deals with G2, and that they don't want to be associated with Carlos.
They also highlight all the previous controversial investigations involving Carlos, such as the terms posted on Perkz contract not allowing him to sign with fnatic which riot didn't like, for example, these investigations lead lot of people to complain about Carlos for a long time, stating that they were tired of Carlos doing whatever the hell he wanted. All these factors are certainly things one could be fired for, and just because Carlos was CEO of G2, it didnt exempt him from the judgement of RIOT, his own employees, colleague, and fanbase. (so speculate accordingly).
They also talk about the idea that Riot, having been recently sued by employees for gender discrimination, wanted to make their "post lawsuit views" known CLEARLY: that any association with misogyny would NOT be tolerated. this being yet another incentive for riot to force G2's hand in a way.
They lastly state that scenarios like this have happened before in esports, have happened before in regular sports, and that just because it's G2, one of the biggest orgs in the industry, it came as a surprise to so many people. They state that this was just ONE of the MANY decisions that RIOT could have taken, but it was still within the realm of possibility for them to double down this hard on Carlos, and within their right as the owners of the leagues and games in question. Riot wanted to distance themselves from anything that may be at all related to Andrew Tate and in turn misogyny. so when Carlos tagged Andrew Tate and his org in the same tweet, riot just did what they had to do to protect their brand, and G2 followed suit in what was essentially a mutual understanding of the business side of the situation, being in both their interests to remove Carlos, who has by now been stated multiple times as a liability for both parties. (just as mentioned in this video as well)
they sum up the events as Carlos basically saying "I party with whoever I want, I do what i want" and Riot responding with "I franchise whoever I want". Finally stating that, just like Carlos when he said "i draw the line here" riot in turn also has drawn their own lines in regards to what they deem acceptable, as drastic as those lines may be to some.
the only thing left is, what will be the next line that riot draws, what will be the next event that prompts such a response from an organisation. It can only be expected that riot will impose similar punishments and handle the situation the same in the future.
G2 will also have to change its image, find a new "face" to represent the org, as the general consensus among G2 employees is that they agree with the decision to remove Carlos despite how integral he was stating "there are other capable people within the org to make up for Carlos' absence".
they briefly mention the idea that people liked and disliked G2 because of Carlos, and how fanbases might change as a result of this and the fact that Carlos' absence will also likely be felt not only because of his role in growing G2 But LEC and esports as a whole.
G2 will have to first finish going down, losing sponsors, losing franchising, which will hurt in the "short term", in order to then recover and possibly even grow as a result.
But you have to be crazy(not you specifically, but people who believe that) to think Riot is protecting their brand from misogyny and that's why they wanted Carlos to step down... Perhaps their words were coated that way for the public. As someone who works in a Riot Games office they are clearly pushing a lgbtq agenda and their leftist political views onto the consumers. My guess is that Andrew Tate pisses off someone at top notch position in Riot Games and they simply didn't want some small fish like Carlos who associates with their organization to preach and market different political views. It's all it comes down to. Corporate level bullying bcuz someone's ego at Riot Games is hurt by Andrew Tate.
If he had come out initially and gave a real apology without the " I'm sorry you're upset" energy then went dark for his suspension I think things would have ended there. But the double down followed by the half assed sorry and liking all the tweets defending him really made it hard for some people to just move on. It's shitty but he really could have handled it better.
Why should he have to apologize for hanging out with (checks notes)
...a random bald dude that twitter hated for a few days?
@@titanscar2183 because then he has to go in to work on Monday and explain why he is friends with and defends a person who openly professes their dislike of woman and actively works against equality in a workplace. And his employees can't do shit in response.
And as employees, they can't say anything against a ceo. Some middle manager gonna pull Ocelott aside and say "hey buddy, your behavior is making your staff uncomfortable" to a ceo? Nah.
So in essence, 50% of your workforce now feels disregarded and that their CEO is aligned with someone who very publicly is fighting to limit their abilities and growth in their careers.
@@amorantoboy tate loves women he doesnt hate them, he just hates that they are trying to make men feel weak. 😬
@@amorantoboy Man you cancel culture really need to stop policing people. If I support conservatism or someone like Trump, am I a misogynistic racist? No! I'm glad cancel culture doesn't have much influence in Asia from where I live.
Scrolling through the comments for not even a minute made me lose my faith in humanity. Again.
Cancel culture vultures with 0 empathy or understanding
what I find funny about this is that we have seen the ceo of both logitech mastercard and BMW with tate before.
I appreciate that you guys do some due diligence before just uploading a video when new news comes out!
RIP BOZO
I don't blame Carlos for what he said. Like he said he can do what he what he wants with whoever he wants. He is stepping down as CEO but doesn't mean he gave up his ownership of the comapny.
He also sold his parts of G2
@@pinguin2123 are u acctually fucking kidding me! This whole situation is so dumb and useless
@@pinguin2123 where do you see this? i´ve been trying to find proper proof of it.
Someone get this man a 4K camera! I want to be able to read his big box PC game titles!
Not the camera, with a changed focus u could read it.
If you are talking about the ones on the left, those are board games 😄
Thanks for covering all the things I'm interested in, not to mention the great job you guys have done!
What about TSM and Regi's behavior? Not going to get out of Riot?
Respect to Carlos for not lying for the sake of staying CEO
Activision: has sexual harassment scandals, steal designs from smaller companies/creators, fire employees even tho they are getting payed less than promised.
Literally have no consequences
Carlos: build a company by himself, gave jobs to hundreds, parties with andrew tate once.
Looses everything
What a fucked up world
Someone has to be the first one to be punished for being a shitty person
I understand Carlos needing to step down, totally fine how the internet reacted to his dumbed down tweets defending Tate after the incident. However, I think Riot overreacted to the video, just from one video they decided it was okay to give the middle finger to everyone at G2, as if they were at fault for the actions of one person.
People judge others by their actions. Then judge themselves by other their intentions.
KEK, the comment section is hilarious.
You can tell none of them actually worked in their life.
This is the consequence of associating yourself with one of the most negatively talked person on the net.
Riot handled it well, so did G2 as an org.
Pls do a Video of the best and funniest miracle run ever from NNO in League of Legends History. These emotions and the background story with the streamer rules of riot are insane. These was the best miracle run I've ever seen...
Hey i would love to apply for the Spanish guy that can also talk Portuguese on your team where could I send my resume?
It’s just questionable to me that being friends with someone who has sexist takes is worse than someone who harassed and bullied people at the workplace. Because that’s exactly what’s going on, Carlos got hit harder and faster than Reginald, even tho players spoke out against Regi while players said they don’t understand why the backlash is this hard on Carlos
Andrew tate isn't "just sexist", he is a wanted criminal running a ponzi scheme and fled the UK because he was charged with human trafficing.
It's not about who or what's worse it's brand association. Riot wants to be cleared of any thing to do with sexism whereas they've not been criticised as much for bullying and harassment they can sweep it under the rug easier.
That's probably their logic rn unfortunately
Both riot and G2 most definetely lost face, potentially investors, sponsors and franchising to both companies for all we know because of the backlash from the situation(well, there was an emergency meeting for a reason). The guy literally doubled down on the situation, costed multiple pro player's and staff's jobs and probably made both companies butt hurt financially and reputation down in the mud.
@@GulayBeans How will it negatively affect riot that much? They cut out one of their biggest teams just to noy associate with that negativity I really doubt it'll affect them much
@@Emerald_Forge The hidden logistics behind the scenes of riot games is unknown to me, like I said... something more than the carlos drama made riot to have an emergency meeting that led to G2's valorant spot to be lost. Otherwise, riot would have issued a statement that they "do not associate with sexism, yada yada" or something similar and request to call carlos off his job.
nah this world is fucked up, how is this possible for a man just be friends with someone can cause damage to his career and future?
Not only that, but a man who is not a criminal, a drug lord, sex trafficker etc, he just gives shitty takes online to those who pay attention. Pretty sad this is how the world works these days.
the fact that Reginald from TSM get better outcome for obviously being a proven toxic/bully shit is very baffling compared to Carlos's action (being friend/close with a bad lad while never publicly being a misogyny himself).
Rip R Kelly
How is this optics: I'm not even watching competitive league anymore. Good job, RIOT! You have just made another person turn to watching football again. Congratulations!
i mean you cant say "i can do whatever the fuck i want" but then get angry when someone else does whatever they want (riot saying Nah we dont want you here)
Man actually activley posted his vidoe with andrew tate knowing full well who he was, the community told him that tate was toxic and not a good person to be around with, carlos instead of listening to the community double downed and showed he fully supports horrible ideas and then got mad that he lost money because people didnt want to support him anymore. You can cry cancel culture, but at some point it comes down to grabbing the gun pointing at your head pulling the trigger and complaining about what you did
Carlos is the toxic gaming community that isnt open to people, and the fact he didnt realize that is a big issue
It’s his life he can do what ever the fuck he wants
Thank. You. :)))))
If you make a video with your friend who says random shit doesn’t mean that you are gonna think like him
Him defending himself in no way means he supports someone else’s views
If you think someone has an opinion which is full of violence, and you don't share that vision, you will not have fun with them (specially talking about human rights). So, doing what Carlos did (and not only the video) shows that he does not feel bad for that ideas, which he should! Since not only those ideas put in danger communities in this world (by just only exist), also those communities are fans of G2! So, it's a no brained. We are all the same and we should be treated as such. If I do the same, I would 100% understand it. And I guess Carlos will (or hope so) do.
i dont think you party a guy with a guy like tate by accident, either he or someone in his orbit was a fan and no fan of tate can be responsible for much of anything, let alone a multi million dollar org
carlos may have been a boon to the industry but bear in mind it's a deeply flawed industry that only benefited specific people, mostly men and mostly rich men who just got richer. it might be the end of an era but that era kinda fuckin sucks if you aint a dude living in a country that white dudes dont have a problem with
The fuck you talking about, esports isn't the new gold rush era. Most people / org are losing MILLIONS. It's very high risk investment, for very small return. Ofc most of the returns when actually making it somehow is going to go to the people who fronted all the fucking risks. The esports scene that you have today was paved on tons of investors who lost everything they put into this because they beleived in it. And why the fuck are you bringing up whites into this ? Aren't super rich black people also investing in organisations ? And isn't the one making the real money actually tencent ?
Go educate yourself
G2 is G2 because of Carlos. I guarantee when this has all blown over, as all internet shitfests do, people will talk about “the good days” when CEOs interacted with the fans and had a public presence.
Nah no shot! It not people that did this. As a csgo fan idk, I respect him for having a diverse group of friends but optics are optics
@@Anonassassin but g2 wanted to suspend. Riot got him fired
@@catsanddogs5728 Exactly! Because of the amount of money G2 would lose in valorant. It all comes down to optics every the nicest people have skeletons. No one is squeeky clean in 2022. However it's more important to be look squeaky clean than be squeeky cleen
Skeletons? As if- this dude partied with one of the most misogynistic and controversial figures in the public eye right now (who also just got banned from every public platform). Got called out for it, and then doubled down like an idiot. You can hang out with anyone you want- you can hang out with ISIS fighters for all I care, but there will be consequences and people will stop associating with you.
Eh what happened to T1's CEO he's active and sociable and is honestly an all around wholesome guy there's alot of CEOs in the esports industry is good and wholesome who is active and communicate with fans
Carlos: "Nobody will ever be able to police my friendships"
G2: "Watch out I'm about to end this man's whole career"
Friends over Matrix hence everything which Tate said proved right.
Replace the 'G2' there with 'Riot Games'
G2: "I'm going to end my career while Carlos goes on to make another fortune doing something else."
Truly a 400 IQ play...
Ego can definetly destroy your carreer, he just needed to "distance" him from Tate, since there was an economic interest in between.. but, he decide to stood up for Andrew and lose... big L for him, but bigger L for G2, its so unfair for the people at this Team... he as a CEO should have done better.
exactly. nobody cares if he partied with tate -- if nobody knew about it. all he had to do was not have an itchy finger on the share button after shooting that video. in fact, he was then still given several chances to walk back and convince the outraged folks that it was all a joke/stunt or he was drunk or whatever excuse PR deemed sufficient to deflect everything. but he doubled down; and now g2 has to bear the brunt of his ego trip.
@@alveolate yeah, he did had a ton of change to make it up, just "excuse me i was drunk, wont happen again" i do not support any misoginy or whatever PR stunt, and water under the bridge, my heart actually goes to the people at G2 that deserved better.
@@alveolate If nobody cared why was he forced to step down.
@@frankopanklaric learn to read.
When asked to choose between his caracter or his reputation, he chose caracter. In my eyes he's a Gigachad!
To bad he got Cancelled because of politics and social "justice"...
To the people who say "riot is a hypocrite" for working with lil Nas x and "canceling" Carlos, you are either stupid or argue in bad faith. Lil Nas x is a persona and a brand. It has a massage, yes, but that one is out there. Additionally it is not directed against a group or people, it's not even anti church or religion, he criticis the way it works, how it hindered him to be what he was and denies people their way. If you didn't know that, maybe you're not qualified enough to speak about this topic.
Carlos on the other hand just exposed a side nobody new he had and this side is directly against a whole sex -> sexist. I know Carlos did things in the eSports scene, supporting women teams and wasn't known to be too difficult. That's why the shock sits so deep especially as he doubled down on this topic and didn't think about why people got angry. In addition, Andrew Tate is, no matter what you say, a misogynist, woman (who find any worth within themselves) hater and with plans to use his rise in popularity and following ban off some social media to make money in shady ways off of it (bought a huge share in an mostly unknown social Media platform and directs people there now, in addition to his more than controversial PAID services). It is true, that i only watched little of that man but that little is disgusting. You don't have to be part of the sjw crowd or be part of a feminist group to see what his ideas are, propaganda against Woman. He is another dipshit in the world, using and profiting from the split that is already in our world and is actively deepening it. I thought after Trump there would be a change as people have seen hiw bad it is for our society but at last no. People do not learn, because they think, history doesn't repeat itself, but I can tell you: it sure does rhyme.
And at last i find it strange that so many people just think to themselves, i can skip the learning part when hearing about a topic and just go "i find this and this. I have an opinion about that" this is a trend in general, not just in a group or side.
Think he lost his mind a bit after losing worlds finals in 2019, could be different if he kept Perkz around IMO instead of caving in to pressure from the same investors who kicked him out.
Its karma mid
Bear in mind this comes from a company that goes by the name Riot Games.
We all know this bullshit. He's just gonna wait a few months or a year until this issue dies down and secretly go back to being the CEO.
Deserved, why would you double down on an opinion that is against every single one of the opinions of your peers. He can be friend with whoever the fuck he wants, but as someone that became a CEO, he should've definitely known better. It wasn't a terrible business decision, because he didn't do it once, but twice. He could've just apologized after the video, but his ego was too big, leading him to make one of the dumbest business decisions in eSport and doubled down on his bullshit.
I saw Ludwig, Nice.
he is a real G
i was so sure carlos is fkin trolling and i still think that he is
Only if he didn't double down, things could have been different. People often forget the weight of their words sometimes...
the doubling down is not the issue, nobody can tell him how to live his life or who to hangout with. the problem was that he didn't clearly draw a line between his beliefs and andrew tates in his half written apology.
people die for money regardless of who they are , carlos shouldve known better ,cash rules everything
i mean you can be friends with someone, but not support your friends personal beliefs or actions.
I love the way you end this video. Just because someone has done something in the past or the parent org has done terrible shit as well doesn't mean you can never call them out on it. At some point in time and at some level a line has to be drawn. This dude is a massive idiot... He's paid a lot of money to be the face of the org but then wants to party/speak as the org but then say it's personal. You don't get to separate the two to deflect from personal/corporate behavior especially at a corporate event where you're acting as the head of the company.
If that was his personal party as much as I dislike Andrew Tate I wouldn't have a problem with it. Because that would literally be his personal time. But he did this as the head of a company at a company event.
So he's a massive idiot for hanging out with...another human?
plus he doubled down on the decision and to this day hasn't even deleted the tweets. like if he didn't say anything it wouldn't even be as bad imo
wants to party/speak as the org but then says its personal? I mean, it was on his private, seperate twitter account, all this shit over partying with someone people dont like, comedy.
@@parag0th429 what's funny is Andrew Tate hasn't even done anything LMAO. He's your typical Redpill alpha male stereotype. Hate or like that as much as you want he has literally done nothing wrong here. Just his existence triggers people so hard that now we see people lose their jobs over it LOL
Valorant isn't franchising it's a partnership program. You don't pay riot anything instead riot pays the partnered team and gives them a stipend to keep the valorant esports scene competitive and exciting. So G2 didn't pay anything to riot but missed the opportunity of getting paid by riot.
Riot already makes a mistake franchising in the first place, just add one more persons career to ruin to the list
Long may g2 lose and never recover.
Hope for a day Riot will be better.
Would have loved to see Tate going off on Twitter and Riot and Matrixes? or Matrixs ? Or Matrixi ? And red pill/blue pill and how corporate are afraid of him and he is the shit.... completely forgetting about CarlosR.
The ceo who commited career suicide. Well imo as company i would give him a suspension but fuck he already scared a lot of assets and potential assets for the company so why should i keep him even with out RIOT strong armed the company i would still vote for him to go. Well lesson learned dont hurt the image of the company that feeds you even if youre the CEO. He deserves this one.
Where is the 40min link in spanish? anyone has it?
Am I remembering this wrong or Carlos was very toxic in his own streams after league Season1\2\3? I remember watching him and feeling pretty bad about the "public person".
I mean. if i'm half right, he was toxic, still toxic, G2 League of legends section was toxic: he found and recruited some very toxic players and started a whole toxic PR mood on twitter and stage for show and business.
Overall, not a great loss for the scene. Bye and thanks for nothing.
Cancel culture 1 - 0 Carlos
Smooth brain take that proves you know nothing about business.
Dude did something stupid, then doubled down. He was asking for it.
When you’re an adult, and I know this might shock you, you can’t just do whatever you want with no consequences. Life is hard, get over it.
@@krusher181 ???
DUDE WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT I drop a meme and kid writes an essay about adulthood 💀
Don't tell me cancel culture doesn't exist. This is the most toxic thing ever.
your backgroud is so damn cool man
Top G will give him a job
come one people if we go with this logic of bannding anyone you dont like then everyone in the internet should be perma bann too since all of us has at one point said something that others disagree with.
they have to feed their egos. pretend they're "righteous" people, to feel gratification of punishing evil. narcisistic fucks ruining lifes of others to boost their self confidence. simple as that. meanwhile we all know this cancel culture followers are nothing but worthless trash that not even their parents loved. petty and full of hate. their lives a real trainwreck, of their own making
Guys you have to make a video about NNOs mirical run in the 2. to 1. diff of prime league pls there is no better story you can think about.
when you try to conduct an orchestra and its just a bunch of toddlers banging pans
This was so ridiculous…. Specially from riot with their history of awful workplace practise
Whichever person it may be who he hung out with… Fuck this cancel culture. Atleast he chose for freedom and for himself, instead of giving up to g2 and money. Dude has money to spend for years
How to ruin your life in a few easy steps
oh man his life is really over networth of 106 million dollars.
@@EladOSRS His passion and life’s work was taken from him, money isn’t everything my man.
@@sofknupbeat seems like it wasnt worth it for him to beg some narcisist trash for forgiveness
@@sofknupbeat it literally hasn't, if you don't think he still has pull you are oblivious to how the world works. G2 is still his.
I felt like he got forced to do it because of stupid ass twitter
Mfs are so stupid. They act like this is the downfall of G2 Esports, and cancel culture is crazy, and Carlos' past 8 years of work was all for nothing. 1. G2 is fine, and possibly better off if they didn't release Carlos. They still have all the staff, players, sponsors, and investors. They have all the things that make an org run, all they lost was a CEO with a personality. 2. Cancel Culture is ultimately a ton of people voicing their opinions on your public activity, and obviously people will not like you if you do something deemed irresponsible, and there is no way to avoid that unless if you live off the grid without social media. 3. Carlos' last 8 years of work is all still there, and he was praised for all those years of amazing work. This moment doesn't negate all his work, but is punishing him for this exact moment and not all his past work. This is how things work.
Remember when Valkyrie sold the blue light scam? No. All of this claiming he was a brand risk is insane. After his suspension no one would have cared anymore. Crazy what Riot did.
Those cases are different, Rae didn’t know it was a scam and after she learned that she promptly took action to revert the situation. Carlos knew he fucked up and still chose to defend his misogynist friend.
Carlos doubled down in a bet they were destined to lose Riot obviously doesn't want any link or connection to tate if g3 carlos was going to be that link no matter how small it may be then they want to cut it off asap rather than deal with a possible controversial aftermath
Imagine "forced" to resign from the company that you have been building for a decade because a video of you partying with a controversial person
this is the same reason why elon musk smoking weed on joe rogan was a bad idea. it doesnt matter how YOU feel about it. when you are a CEO OF A HUGE COMPANY, you have to behave like you have shareholders.
you can hang out with who you want, but if you’re the face of a business and you do shady shit, that’s not the case
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
he didnt play the game right. you cant let em see those things. you can hang out and live how ever you want to as long as your mask isnt crooked in public.
Some people will do everything they can to take out someone in power that they don't like. Being in a position of power is a constant struggle to survive and make something beautifull. It often only takes one tiny slip-up to lose it all. The question remains wether this will have a positive or negative influence on the scene in the future.
I 100% get the Tate backlash, I can't stand the guy, especially considering the amount of money Carlos cost them with the Valorant bag fumble. But it's still just absolutely astonishing that Riot has the ability to "blacklist" a CEO because he hung out with someone who is seen in an unfavorable light at the moment. Mind blowing
Companies can blacklist someone just cuz they wore the wrong colored shirt, why you surprised?
Companies have their rights to refuse any services.
It’s fucked up by riot considered their past plus how they have handled other issues like TSM. Fuck the mob that wouldn’t leave this alone.
They’re a business who exist to make money… what are you talking about?
The English premier league blacklisted a guy for being associated with Vladimir Putin. Even the largest businesses will blacklist people.
Carlos played himself. Pretty simple.
@@krusher181 This wouldn’t have impacted their revenue in the slightest.
Definitely the wrong decision on their part and the people in this comment section don’t know anything about being independent he’s built his own name he can go wherever he wants good on him‼️
This is wrong. Carlos is a good guy. Also why do people take Andrew Tate so seriously, he purposely makes over the top dialogues, I'm sure he doesn't hate women like what people think of him.
Same in life with bad friends you get into trouble , easy as that
Can I asked if Riot released their statement that they officially released G2 from the spots and also their reasoning behind the decision, because I have slight questionable stance for their action if that is not the case.
I means their decision might be appropriate, but I feel like they needs to clarify their stance for the fairness and transparency of all parties involved.
This might not related to our main topics but I want Riot to handle situation of these type better.
I dont know but there was someone who comented on the video and tagged all the g2 sponsors if that was the reason he got fired thats hella funny plus yeah i agree you can party who ever person it is but just dont post it on twitter next time
9:48 LMAO WESTJETT GOT IN A SCORE ESPORTS VIDEO
not even the score understands gets that he still owning g2.
g2 is owned by th "G esports holding GmbH" (registred in berlin) and the owner and leading manager of g esports holding is carlos.
its just a big bluff to blind you all and shit, its working lmfao
Here's what I think:
Did Carlos deserve to be punished for what he did and the aftermath of it? Yes. Heavily too.
Did he deserve to be removed as the head of the organization that he built from the ground up? Frankly, yes (for me) but for the sake of respecting what the others say, let's say not really.
Now look, it's true that he committed career suicide and if it's true that he did sold all his shares, then I sorta feel bad for him. At the same time, it's really hard to sympathize with a man who hangs out with a misogynist and an ALLEGED human trafficker and then goes doubling down on what he did then apologizes (for company purposes) while proceeding to like tweets that favored him/ what he was doing.
Edit:
Also, if riot did strong-arm him, then they're fucking hypocrites because why can't they do the same shit for their coo/ceo (idk what). This world is messed up, man.
10:07 i dont even get the reference from that tweet, can any1 elaborate? D:
Lil Nas X
People should just hop off
Wouldn't have happened if franchising wasn't a thing
People will remember you for that one mistake you’ve done, not for all the good deeds you have done
Correction: Hanging out with someone is a mistake. People are just.. cancelly..
@@lacascadaobregon Correction: Hanging out of Andrew Tate is asking for cancelation
the consequences are in no relation to his actions at all... what a weird fuckin mindset this world has developed... cancelculture at its finest..........
F around and find out, buddy
Not a single Spanish speaker in staff????? Sir?????
Not personal, just money. This has nothing to do with morals and not agreeig with Tate. This is only about money. So it doesnt surprise me a single bit.
You can be friends with someone and share completely different values/disagree with them on important topics...
Rekkles will be the new CEO of G2
G2 will fall, they are known as a team that is big into content creation, now that carlos left, they will no longer be able to keep this level of high quality content creation. The damage done with carlos leaving is bigger then the damage if he wouldn´t have left.
Riot really cringe ngl
Very rich coming from riot, the company that is known to have dealt with sexism within their own ranks.