Join our free server: www.skool.com/men-of-action-free Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 1:20 Getting into coaching men 5:22 Women cannot conceive of men becoming more attractive 7:30 Being vulnerable with women 10:24 *The dating market in 2006 15:05 *Dating apps 17:37 Women giving dating advice 21:40 Pick-up in London is different 22:57 *The bitterness of the manosphere and the Red Pill 30:50 *Being bad with women 34:24 *How Instagram changed dating 42:53 Having wing girls 44:47 The celebrity effect 48:41 Men who paid for sex 49:25 *The correlations between dating and marketing 55:23 Dating through the years for women 59:30 What Kezia’s life is like 1:03:25 Female vs male desire 1:05:13 *Women’s dating expectations 1:13:12 Getting out of the friend zone 1:17:26 Attraction triggers 1:21:06 Red flags 1:23:33 Overcoming shyness for men 1:27:12 How to react when being rejected 1:29:53 Learning dark triad traits 1:32:43 Breaking rapport 1:36:34 Women leaving creepy guys 1:42:48 Women initiating on Michael 1:44:28 Women with high testosterone 1:47:06 *The controversy of men dating younger women 1:51:00 The good thing about PUA 1:53:28 The merge of PUA and the Red Pill 2:00:13 *Women fancy bisexual men 2:07:23 Meeting Kezia 2:08:20 Mystery, Owen Cook and Ross Jeffries 2:12:51 Social media 2:13:21 How having children change you
Yes brother, but no one who is a strong critic of The red pill ever have this understanding. They think it is an ideology, a belief system which are often based on prescriptions.
Although yes it’s masculine for a man to not be on social media. However, what’s happening these days is women are using social media as a social proof that you are a normal guy. Guys aren’t on social media are perceived as weird or strange and you have to qualify and prove that you aren’t which is another barrier on top of the difficulty to attract women. Kezia should realise that dating modern day women is completely different to dating older women who didn’t grow up with social media.
Plus, social media is such an asset for you if you meet a girl very briefly, or maybe in another city/country, but if you exchange socials then she can learn more about you
@@danielrosic2960 exactly,, I didn’t grow up with social media, not long ago I only had Facebook and I was meeting girls that were giving me strange looks and reactions because I said I didn’t have Instagram. I thought about it for a minute and realised Instagram is a thing that these girls grew up with, they have a deep level of attachment to it such that anything outside of it is perceived weird and strange so by default is feared and should be avoided. Any generation had a thing they grew up with that became the center of their reality and experience.
I’m an older guy and don’t have any social media. You actually stand out from the crowd because you don’t have it. Women become more curious about you.
25:05 yep she's talking about that Cooper guy and she's so on point, you can feel the bitterness across the screen stemming from female rejection and failed relationships.
Two things I realised, Hearing her dismiss some evolutionary psychology points MS made & not answer a question he asked her showed me you can’t ask a “fish how to catch them.” Oh but you can’t compare women to fishes- I did, now what are you going to do? Seems her personality is bordering on bitterness & being direct as it’s her way of effectively weeding out the “weak” men that may approach her.
My perception of her is that she was critical of Michael's message about social media/social circle and that cold approach/techniques are more important for most men. She's more oldschool akin to mystery style of game but less cheesy. It's not an unfair criticism, in Michael's program a lot of his advice only works if you have money or connections to men with money. In MoA he showed example invites to women on instagram offering $500 gift bags from luxury jewelry brands to come to his birthday party. He always says "You don't need to be a photographer, you don't need to be rich, etc etc." He communicates that you can get around all of that via value arbitrage and networking which you gain by having a high status instagram, but now you have a catch 22 where your instagram sucks because you can't get connections to scare resources and you can't get connections to scarce resources because your instagram sucks. He fails to communicate how to break past that paradox besides: Read how to win friends and influence people, break rapport, don't qualify, (These are legitimately modules in his course) and then magically you will make 6 female friends who will give you access to an amazing world you can show off on your instagram.
The one counter I'd make it most women you cold approach IRL will still be on IG and even dating apps. So while you can make more of an impression in the moment, they still have "dating A.D.D." and short attn span from their social media time.
While there is a lot of good content in this discussion, they seem to miss some of the connections or conclusions. And I believe this is because as Myron would say it, privilege is invisible to those who have them. The discussion around bitterness, anger, neediness and confidence is dead wrong. Kezia mentions she had heartbreak, and bad dates and rejection, however she doesn't understand the depth of it. In order to understand it one needs to experience it. Rejection happens, most guys I think are ok with it, but there is a difference between getting a date every 5th time you try vs getting a date every 500th time you try. There is a difference between someone saying sorry I am not interested vs yes let's meet up and then get ghosted, or getting laughed in your face. I very much doubt anyone ever laughed in Kezia's face if she showed interest. Would love to see whether she gets bitter or not. Try imagining a world where every friend you have suddenly ghosted you or stopped inviting you and then tell me that neediness is just a mindset that you can think yourself out of. "Just be more confident". Confidence doesn't work like that. Imagine you go to the gym build a great physique, win $10 million on the lottery and then getting rejected 100 times in a row. Can you honestly tell me that your confidence is not shaken by it? Confidence comes from proven successes and positive reinforcement from your environment, people who say otherwise are really arrogant. There is a difference between arrogance and confidence, however most people can't tell the difference. Finally the point about the period between 2006-2015, why there wasn't as much hate. 1. Likely there was a lot less hooking up. It still happened perhaps 1-2 times a month, but it would be a lot more difficult to hook up with a new person every day. Or even the idea to date multiple people at the same time. 2. Most guys still had a chance and were successful so there was no bitterness. 3. More avenues popped up to vent and share information.
Mike also admits that he loves women because pretty much every interaction he ever had was positive. It perfectly makes sense. Now imagine you have 100 interactions with women ranging from smiling at someone to try to talk to date and you get an ugly look back, you get ghosted or ridiculed. Once you have experienced that come back and tell me how do you overcome that by yourself alone. My experience is that most women are not really single. Maybe more accurate would be that they are not emotional available, because they either are "talking" to someone, they have a FWB, they have a guy in mind that they dream or fantasize about... so when some guy approaches she is not present, her mind is somewhere else. I don't use dating apps, never did, I knew it's garbage so try to rely on cold approach, friend circles or even work circles. I'm 6.3, make 6 figures, own my house, own my car, I am not jacked but not overweight, athletic, play soccer and in the last 7 years I roughly asked 50 girls out that I met organically and got 1 date and 1 lay.... in 7 years... perhaps I am really unlucky, perhaps my face is a 2 on the attraction scale.
None of this conflicts with anything they said though. You’re just explaining why someone might be bitter or lack confidence. They didn’t say their aren’t reasons, just that it’s unattractive.
@@hamsandwich5200 you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say "Confidence does not come from environmental influence at all" then in the next statement "your environment tends to reward you for your effort though". Without that reward that you get from the environment, you wouldn't be confident. It's the same like women saying that they are not putting makeup on to get attention, they are doing it because they feel good about themselves. The number of haters vs supporters doesn't really matter. It is the weight of the people. So if you are the next Mozart and some rock and roll person tells you that you suck, will have a different impact than if the head of the opera tells you you suck. Also it matters if your 10 closest friends support you vs 1000 russian trolls tell you you suck. Confidence has to come from competence. How do you know you are competent at something? Do you decide internally yourself?
@@hamsandwich5200 No glossing over on my part. First sentence you say that confidence does not come from environment at all... as in nothing, has 0 effect, at all. Then you follow up with the part about tends to reward. Why did you add that part? How do you know you are competent at something? Do you decide internally yourself?
This was an interesting conversation. I’m not tuned into the PUA stuff, but I think it would have helped if they differentiated between advise for hookups and advise for dating to marry. At this point (I’m 30) I’m totally over one night stands, and mindless hookups, and am only interested in them insofar as they help me meet or otherwise discern something about a future mate
2:09:37 I was casually listening while working on something and suddenly Michael name-drops me and tells the story I have been holding back from telling this entire time! Hilarious.
Stand up Comedian, had a shrewd analysis, "you have to remember lines so your good with woman" he was right and he was wrong, you can learn part of game through life experiences, and you can ramp things up by having lines. so funny what she says is spot on.
I've always been fine with women in the real world but I've always sucked at texting and social media. I'm new to Twitter and that has been a game changer. It's a dumpster fire but you quickly learn what works and doesn't work when it comes to texting, it's made a huge difference with online dating as well.
Something that helps more than people think is having your own natural style. In dress, vernacular and speech, etc. I went on a date in SF with an old lover of mine recently, to a super trendy cocktail bar that is super hard to get a reservation to. Something she observed that I appreciated was that to a man, every dude other than me was well dressed but so safely and generically dressed that they seemed like NPCs. Likely techies. Meanwhile, me being a carpenter, I’m in there wearing my cowboy boots and western button up with the pearl snaps tucked into blue jeans.
Great conversation, but the definition of irony is that she's a bitter, toxic, post wall single mom complaining about bitter manosphere men... 😂 She does have a few good points regardless.
I don't think she's bitter. She is a mother and has a man. She is selling her product which is different from the manosphere. If you still don't think a guy like Myron is bitter because he got no pussy when he was young you may be delusional
Been following Kezia for a minute. No nonsense is appreciated but in a place like London banter is required (I’ve heard her say it before) whereas if you have a good IG account tt might get you further in the USA? Also her liking Chalamet who looks boyish also makes sense.
Red pill does have a vibe of bitterness or purging bitterness with an almost religious fervor. Been exploring that space recently. Im trying to take the essence of the knowledge about how women are to make myself and relationship better without letting resentment get in there. Time will tell if im suceeding, seems like it.
Kezia is on point for some of the things she mentioned. One of the main things, as she said you truly can't give a fk...not just telling yourself you don't, you really don't. It takes time to get to that point, and you'd be surprised how well it works. This can't be done in a negative way too, there's a method to it.
Yes yes. If she says f-you upon approach just enable the disrespect and show her you're a glutton for punishment. Remember it's about frame, not being around a decent person or classy person. Just points on the scoreboard.
I’d be highly skeptical of the idea that women are secretly turned on by bisexual men. Two of my previous girlfriends really questioned me about having any past experience with men at and if I did they said it would be a deal-breaker. Sort of a strange thing to hyperfixate on, but I think it’s because they didn’t want to get in a relationship with a closeted gay man.
This is why I have never taken Kezia seriously, i didn't even know she was still around, but good job, I am sure she's made good money from it. I was a pickup artist for years and also got into Redpill after. Redpill is not about making you a bitter person. But unfortunately, you temporarily get redpill rage ones you see the world for the way it is, but the must important thing about Redpill is that it teaches how to navigate female nature. Also I fuck women with high body counts but I could never marry one when it's incredibly high risk. This is the thing with women in this movement. it's obvious she's had multiple partners, so they ridicule men who talk about it. Also, there's nothing wrong with dating apps. If you are the kind of guy who actually cleans up on it. Also, there is no point if you have so much game if you are not financially stable to give a woman security in the future, you quickly find this out once you become good at game. Apart from this, everything she says about pickup is correct even though she just regurgitated it from the male gurus, she couldn't even name the red flag you should look out for from women lol. To me, pickup plus Redpill is the best combination of knowledge to have, as long as your redpill rage is gone.
@frederickaugustusdouglass9713 Sounds like a form of coping for her/them: "This is the thing with women in this movement. it's obvious she's had multiple partners, so they ridicule men who talk about it".
@@aracelymoran2504 Exactly hence why she dates younger men is because she knows very well that it's going to be very difficult for her to find a man that she truly wants now that shes in her 40s, And she knows very well that the red pill guys will call her out.
I have to disagree with Kezia @ 24:00 - People who are actually within the RP sphere are NOT bitter. Frustrated maybe. But they want to know the why of what happened. Bitterness comes from probably every other sphere around RP besides RP. Black Pill / doomers, blue pill or the weak male feminist, mgtows or men who just gave up entirely ( not that I blame this group for doing it ). RP is supposed to be about figuring out your flaws, improve, and then try again. The grifters also tend to f_ck up the RP name too.
Great podcast. very interesting perspective. felt like she was slightly in a competitive frame instead of being interested in Michaels experience and expertise though.
Me sitting here thinking approched 1200 girls got only 1 date. Yeah its fun yeah its thrilling and you learn a lot to speak and it also feels better when you can carry a conversation. But in the end only the results are important end when i see a guy approching 10 girls and getting 1 date out of it you simply quit. Thats why i approche only a very few times anymore and not for date just for yeah i still can it
@@billusher2265 yeah of course i started with zero talking skills couldnt even ask what the time was without a heart burst and nobody helped me till to the point where i could talk touch make funny comments could. Integrate my surroundings or things people wear or adapting to the things they talked end even still could be me. I think its because i am short but i dont care because at least my online score is 100% success even before i could talk to woman on the streets.
This lady is trying to go back to the 90s and early 2000s. All of us men would love that but the reality is that if you’re not optimizing social media and dating apps you’re cutting yourself short
1:27:15 …. A woman pulling away from a kiss definitely isn’t good, in fact, I’d say that’s a terminal blow most of the time (unless if you just met the girl)
What's weird is that Michael quite often says on his podcast to never take advice from a woman.....yet comes out and says the opposite 1 minute into this one. 🤔🤔🤔
1:03:05 >> Kezia Noble is 43. Meaning she is (way) past her prime (her looking as good as she does, is irellevant). Most women past her "epiphany phase" tend to like these more pretty looking guys - even younger ones (Johnny Depp, Timothée Chalamet type), where in her prime age and especially epihany phase, she would choose a more muscular "warrior type" (Jason Momoa, Chris Hemsworth type). There is a difference what kind of man a woman would pick as a mate (to breed and cohabitate with), or just as a "toyboy" (for sex and cozy dates) when she is older. A little metro sexual pretty boy, is not a her first choice(biologically) for mating in her prime age. She may be attracted to the small pretty boy on her surface brain, but biologically will be drawn to the big brute alpha warrior type ;)
Every man should sell used cars for three months. Youll learn how to take rejection, overcome outright hostility, initial prejudice, and develop resulting confidence. Dont do it forever. Just three months. It will give new perspective.
Hello Michael Sartain, I'd like to join your next livestream one on one. I'd like to contend you about marriage. 🇿🇦 See you soon. Looking forward to it.
33:00 You would only get bitter if that situation happened directly to u. For example, that hot girl left u and went with that bad DJ, then ur gonna resent women.
Good points but it’s hard to discount the fact that she’s going after younger (less mature, less knowledgeable) men. A guy her age is dating someone half her age.
I would have asked her how her knowledge of attraction cues, girl game, and her knowledge of polarity did not help maintain her marriage. I notice that even women who are good as dating coaches can't have a stable relationship. Or maybe they only know enough to attract someone, but not enough to make monogamy work.
@orangehair2518 Exactly. That's the easy part,really. The long game is for the man to be the man and for the woman to be at her most traditionally feminine. These women are too modern. They think they are what men want, but that's far from the truth. Men want the girl next door archetype for the long term.
There's some bullshit being hidden under the guise of "I understand Evolutionary Psychology" and I don't yet know what it is. I'm talking about the guy btw, the woman is just not a cringe feminist and so she gets to pass as a rational person. You'd be well served by listening to her at least for 20 mins to just confidently never think of her again.
She had some valid points I'll give her that but, I find it odd that a ''dating coach for men'' would totally dismiss the concept of red flags in women......what? If her approach is just to help men hook up with chicks I guess that would be fine but, the idea that putting in extra time to entertain a woman who's natural impulse is to tell a man to ''fK off'' would be a worthwhile exploit (outside of purely sex) is odd.
39: 53 " I'm above instagram" Well this is me. But Moa is right, being above instagram is more and more difficult because of the ubiquity of social media. Thanks for bringing this out Kezia; but again you are a rarity of girls who don't care about superficiality. Again, younger and dumber girls don't operate on that level!
1:37:00 Funny how if ur ashamed of expressing ur sexual desire for a woman, then she perceives that as creepy, but if ur open about it, then it's not. But that's only the case if she finds u physically attractive first. Otherwise, ur still a creep.
I think she makes sense on conversational connection but she is pretty outdated and DEAD WRONG with her view on social media. Women do not see Instagram the same as they see dating apps. You do not have followers on dating apps so it is as if you are a desperate guy in the room of many trying to get her attention. However on instagram you are the guy on stage that everyone is looking at. As guys we all know which is the better place to be
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:20 Getting into coaching men
5:22 Women cannot conceive of men becoming more attractive
7:30 Being vulnerable with women
10:24 *The dating market in 2006
15:05 *Dating apps
17:37 Women giving dating advice
21:40 Pick-up in London is different
22:57 *The bitterness of the manosphere and the Red Pill
30:50 *Being bad with women
34:24 *How Instagram changed dating
42:53 Having wing girls
44:47 The celebrity effect
48:41 Men who paid for sex
49:25 *The correlations between dating and marketing
55:23 Dating through the years for women
59:30 What Kezia’s life is like
1:03:25 Female vs male desire
1:05:13 *Women’s dating expectations
1:13:12 Getting out of the friend zone
1:17:26 Attraction triggers
1:21:06 Red flags
1:23:33 Overcoming shyness for men
1:27:12 How to react when being rejected
1:29:53 Learning dark triad traits
1:32:43 Breaking rapport
1:36:34 Women leaving creepy guys
1:42:48 Women initiating on Michael
1:44:28 Women with high testosterone
1:47:06 *The controversy of men dating younger women
1:51:00 The good thing about PUA
1:53:28 The merge of PUA and the Red Pill
2:00:13 *Women fancy bisexual men
2:07:23 Meeting Kezia
2:08:20 Mystery, Owen Cook and Ross Jeffries
2:12:51 Social media
2:13:21 How having children change you
Have you heard of The Transformed Wife? I believe she'd make for a great guest.
Red pill is not about prescriptions. Being red pill aware just means you have the necessary tools and information to come to your own decision.
Yes brother, but no one who is a strong critic of The red pill ever have this understanding. They think it is an ideology, a belief system which are often based on prescriptions.
The real truth is being red pill ain't gonna get u any girls. Just having money isn't enough - unless u pay for it.
This stream was a W. Good choice Michael. Loved it.
I like how engaged Kezia was to the conversation.
we want tate and kezia together live bro PUT LIKEEEEEEE
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LOL!
This is a good exchange. She posed some different view points and makes good sense (not the usual feel good wishy washy advice).
Great show. She needs to make more appearances across the net.
The Mystery podcast is going to be legendary!
omg when us that
@@moozzzzzrollo said sometime in January🤞
@@HOLLYWOOD-ww1dm that will be legen.. wait for it.. dary!
Although yes it’s masculine for a man to not be on social media. However, what’s happening these days is women are using social media as a social proof that you are a normal guy. Guys aren’t on social media are perceived as weird or strange and you have to qualify and prove that you aren’t which is another barrier on top of the difficulty to attract women.
Kezia should realise that dating modern day women is completely different to dating older women who didn’t grow up with social media.
Plus, social media is such an asset for you if you meet a girl very briefly, or maybe in another city/country, but if you exchange socials then she can learn more about you
@@danielrosic2960 exactly,, I didn’t grow up with social media, not long ago I only had Facebook and I was meeting girls that were giving me strange looks and reactions because I said I didn’t have Instagram. I thought about it for a minute and realised Instagram is a thing that these girls grew up with, they have a deep level of attachment to it such that anything outside of it is perceived weird and strange so by default is feared and should be avoided.
Any generation had a thing they grew up with that became the center of their reality and experience.
@@danielrosic2960it literally does the work for you 😂
I’m an older guy and don’t have any social media. You actually stand out from the crowd because you don’t have it.
Women become more curious about you.
25:05 yep she's talking about that Cooper guy and she's so on point, you can feel the bitterness across the screen stemming from female rejection and failed relationships.
The guy who hides behind his sports car.
Two things I realised,
Hearing her dismiss some evolutionary psychology points MS made & not answer a question he asked her showed me you can’t ask a “fish how to catch them.”
Oh but you can’t compare women to fishes-
I did, now what are you going to do?
Seems her personality is bordering on bitterness & being direct as it’s her way of effectively weeding out the “weak” men that may approach her.
My perception of her is that she was critical of Michael's message about social media/social circle and that cold approach/techniques are more important for most men. She's more oldschool akin to mystery style of game but less cheesy. It's not an unfair criticism, in Michael's program a lot of his advice only works if you have money or connections to men with money. In MoA he showed example invites to women on instagram offering $500 gift bags from luxury jewelry brands to come to his birthday party. He always says "You don't need to be a photographer, you don't need to be rich, etc etc." He communicates that you can get around all of that via value arbitrage and networking which you gain by having a high status instagram, but now you have a catch 22 where your instagram sucks because you can't get connections to scare resources and you can't get connections to scarce resources because your instagram sucks. He fails to communicate how to break past that paradox besides: Read how to win friends and influence people, break rapport, don't qualify, (These are legitimately modules in his course) and then magically you will make 6 female friends who will give you access to an amazing world you can show off on your instagram.
Is that you and your gf in the picture?
@@saadk8905 Nah but I look similar
She's gorgeous for 43. Good podcast!
Eh, makeup, push bras, etc make the whole facade.
@@cfpzonaIt doesn't change the fact she looks good for 43. I didn't say she looks as good as she was at 23 or 33.
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@@wisdomandy9361 have at her sport. I'd pass.
well yes she pulls 19yo's as she says
ANOTHER BANGER like the adam lyons, and rsd max vidoes! Can't wait for a mystery, niel strauss, Owen Cook, and ross jeffries podcast !!!!
The one counter I'd make it most women you cold approach IRL will still be on IG and even dating apps.
So while you can make more of an impression in the moment, they still have "dating A.D.D." and short attn span from their social media time.
Hi my name's ..... nice to meet you. Yeah you too, sorry just busy atm swipe, swipe, swipe.
While there is a lot of good content in this discussion, they seem to miss some of the connections or conclusions. And I believe this is because as Myron would say it, privilege is invisible to those who have them. The discussion around bitterness, anger, neediness and confidence is dead wrong. Kezia mentions she had heartbreak, and bad dates and rejection, however she doesn't understand the depth of it. In order to understand it one needs to experience it. Rejection happens, most guys I think are ok with it, but there is a difference between getting a date every 5th time you try vs getting a date every 500th time you try. There is a difference between someone saying sorry I am not interested vs yes let's meet up and then get ghosted, or getting laughed in your face. I very much doubt anyone ever laughed in Kezia's face if she showed interest. Would love to see whether she gets bitter or not.
Try imagining a world where every friend you have suddenly ghosted you or stopped inviting you and then tell me that neediness is just a mindset that you can think yourself out of.
"Just be more confident". Confidence doesn't work like that. Imagine you go to the gym build a great physique, win $10 million on the lottery and then getting rejected 100 times in a row. Can you honestly tell me that your confidence is not shaken by it?
Confidence comes from proven successes and positive reinforcement from your environment, people who say otherwise are really arrogant. There is a difference between arrogance and confidence, however most people can't tell the difference.
Finally the point about the period between 2006-2015, why there wasn't as much hate.
1. Likely there was a lot less hooking up. It still happened perhaps 1-2 times a month, but it would be a lot more difficult to hook up with a new person every day. Or even the idea to date multiple people at the same time.
2. Most guys still had a chance and were successful so there was no bitterness.
3. More avenues popped up to vent and share information.
Mike also admits that he loves women because pretty much every interaction he ever had was positive. It perfectly makes sense. Now imagine you have 100 interactions with women ranging from smiling at someone to try to talk to date and you get an ugly look back, you get ghosted or ridiculed. Once you have experienced that come back and tell me how do you overcome that by yourself alone.
My experience is that most women are not really single. Maybe more accurate would be that they are not emotional available, because they either are "talking" to someone, they have a FWB, they have a guy in mind that they dream or fantasize about... so when some guy approaches she is not present, her mind is somewhere else.
I don't use dating apps, never did, I knew it's garbage so try to rely on cold approach, friend circles or even work circles. I'm 6.3, make 6 figures, own my house, own my car, I am not jacked but not overweight, athletic, play soccer and in the last 7 years I roughly asked 50 girls out that I met organically and got 1 date and 1 lay.... in 7 years... perhaps I am really unlucky, perhaps my face is a 2 on the attraction scale.
None of this conflicts with anything they said though. You’re just explaining why someone might be bitter or lack confidence. They didn’t say their aren’t reasons, just that it’s unattractive.
YES!!!!
@@hamsandwich5200 you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say "Confidence does not come from environmental influence at all" then in the next statement "your environment tends to reward you for your effort though". Without that reward that you get from the environment, you wouldn't be confident. It's the same like women saying that they are not putting makeup on to get attention, they are doing it because they feel good about themselves. The number of haters vs supporters doesn't really matter. It is the weight of the people. So if you are the next Mozart and some rock and roll person tells you that you suck, will have a different impact than if the head of the opera tells you you suck. Also it matters if your 10 closest friends support you vs 1000 russian trolls tell you you suck.
Confidence has to come from competence. How do you know you are competent at something? Do you decide internally yourself?
@@hamsandwich5200 No glossing over on my part. First sentence you say that confidence does not come from environment at all... as in nothing, has 0 effect, at all. Then you follow up with the part about tends to reward. Why did you add that part?
How do you know you are competent at something? Do you decide internally yourself?
I agree with Kezia on the social media thing. It can help but I think men waste too much time with it.
the fact is women dont disclose what they are dating and they think we are fools for not knowing how promiscious they are
Exactly.
The Red Pill uncovers their "secret".
35:10 social media taking women out of IRL situations is so true and not discussed nearly enough!
and dating apps exist purely for female validation.
remembered Sadia Khan's take on female attraction from this convo: a woman will submit to a man she cannot disrespect.
She can only respect man who is better than her in everything aka hypergamy, problem with that is that is how civilization crumbles.
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This was an interesting conversation. I’m not tuned into the PUA stuff, but I think it would have helped if they differentiated between advise for hookups and advise for dating to marry.
At this point (I’m 30) I’m totally over one night stands, and mindless hookups, and am only interested in them insofar as they help me meet or otherwise discern something about a future mate
2:09:37 I was casually listening while working on something and suddenly Michael name-drops me and tells the story I have been holding back from telling this entire time! Hilarious.
Stand up Comedian, had a shrewd analysis, "you have to remember lines so your good with woman" he was right and he was wrong, you can learn part of game through life experiences, and you can ramp things up by having lines. so funny what she says is spot on.
I've always been fine with women in the real world but I've always sucked at texting and social media. I'm new to Twitter and that has been a game changer. It's a dumpster fire but you quickly learn what works and doesn't work when it comes to texting, it's made a huge difference with online dating as well.
Something that helps more than people think is having your own natural style. In dress, vernacular and speech, etc.
I went on a date in SF with an old lover of mine recently, to a super trendy cocktail bar that is super hard to get a reservation to.
Something she observed that I appreciated was that to a man, every dude other than me was well dressed but so safely and generically dressed that they seemed like NPCs.
Likely techies. Meanwhile, me being a carpenter, I’m in there wearing my cowboy boots and western button up with the pearl snaps tucked into blue jeans.
47:27 Love the film A Fish Called Wanda! John Cleese and Jamie Lee Curtis are great together. Kind of like her and Dan Akroyd in Trading Places.
Fantastic show.
Very Nice conversation.
12:30 She has a good point. Dating apps is a waste of time and money for 90% of men.
Yeah, I have been saying that for years. When I say it on Reddit the chicks go nuts,
Great conversation, but the definition of irony is that she's a bitter, toxic, post wall single mom complaining about bitter manosphere men... 😂
She does have a few good points regardless.
Agreed.
I don't think she's bitter. She is a mother and has a man. She is selling her product which is different from the manosphere. If you still don't think a guy like Myron is bitter because he got no pussy when he was young you may be delusional
DAAAAAAMMMM one of the ogs
Been following Kezia for a minute. No nonsense is appreciated but in a place like London banter is required (I’ve heard her say it before) whereas if you have a good IG account tt might get you further in the USA? Also her liking Chalamet who looks boyish also makes sense.
Great Podcast!
I was funneled to this pod from your shorts. Reptilian sounds like stoic!
Cheers, Michael ! !
Red pill does have a vibe of bitterness or purging bitterness with an almost religious fervor. Been exploring that space recently. Im trying to take the essence of the knowledge about how women are to make myself and relationship better without letting resentment get in there. Time will tell if im suceeding, seems like it.
Just read evo psych and quality pua, anything good in rp comes from there
Kezia is on point for some of the things she mentioned. One of the main things, as she said you truly can't give a fk...not just telling yourself you don't, you really don't. It takes time to get to that point, and you'd be surprised how well it works. This can't be done in a negative way too, there's a method to it.
I love women so much I appreciate them from afar .
She looks prettier now than when she was younger.
Naaah
Yes yes. If she says f-you upon approach just enable the disrespect and show her you're a glutton for punishment. Remember it's about frame, not being around a decent person or classy person. Just points on the scoreboard.
Downloading this one
I’d be highly skeptical of the idea that women are secretly turned on by bisexual men. Two of my previous girlfriends really questioned me about having any past experience with men at and if I did they said it would be a deal-breaker. Sort of a strange thing to hyperfixate on, but I think it’s because they didn’t want to get in a relationship with a closeted gay man.
Remember she is from England.
This is why I have never taken Kezia seriously, i didn't even know she was still around, but good job, I am sure she's made good money from it. I was a pickup artist for years and also got into Redpill after. Redpill is not about making you a bitter person. But unfortunately, you temporarily get redpill rage ones you see the world for the way it is, but the must important thing about Redpill is that it teaches how to navigate female nature. Also I fuck women with high body counts but I could never marry one when it's incredibly high risk. This is the thing with women in this movement. it's obvious she's had multiple partners, so they ridicule men who talk about it. Also, there's nothing wrong with dating apps. If you are the kind of guy who actually cleans up on it. Also, there is no point if you have so much game if you are not financially stable to give a woman security in the future, you quickly find this out once you become good at game.
Apart from this, everything she says about pickup is correct even though she just regurgitated it from the male gurus, she couldn't even name the red flag you should look out for from women lol.
To me, pickup plus Redpill is the best combination of knowledge to have, as long as your redpill rage is gone.
@frederickaugustusdouglass9713 Sounds like a form of coping for her/them: "This is the thing with women in this movement. it's obvious she's had multiple partners, so they ridicule men who talk about it".
@@aracelymoran2504 Exactly hence why she dates younger men is because she knows very well that it's going to be very difficult for her to find a man that she truly wants now that shes in her 40s, And she knows very well that the red pill guys will call her out.
@@frederickaugustusdouglass9713 As if they haven't already
I have to disagree with Kezia @ 24:00 - People who are actually within the RP sphere are NOT bitter. Frustrated maybe. But they want to know the why of what happened. Bitterness comes from probably every other sphere around RP besides RP. Black Pill / doomers, blue pill or the weak male feminist, mgtows or men who just gave up entirely ( not that I blame this group for doing it ).
RP is supposed to be about figuring out your flaws, improve, and then try again. The grifters also tend to f_ck up the RP name too.
Looking forward to this one
mode one forever
2:02:00 this is like when the guy on Weeds was dating the IDF soldier girl who was more masculine than he was, and she was pegging him. 🤣
Great podcast. very interesting perspective. felt like she was slightly in a competitive frame instead of being interested in Michaels experience and expertise though.
The coke and mollie strategy. lol
she sounds the same as the other modern-day women, lacking accountability, excuses...
Me sitting here thinking approched 1200 girls got only 1 date. Yeah its fun yeah its thrilling and you learn a lot to speak and it also feels better when you can carry a conversation. But in the end only the results are important end when i see a guy approching 10 girls and getting 1 date out of it you simply quit. Thats why i approche only a very few times anymore and not for date just for yeah i still can it
Did you try actually learning how to approach better instead of just running numbers?
@@billusher2265 yeah of course i started with zero talking skills couldnt even ask what the time was without a heart burst and nobody helped me till to the point where i could talk touch make funny comments could. Integrate my surroundings or things people wear or adapting to the things they talked end even still could be me. I think its because i am short but i dont care because at least my online score is 100% success even before i could talk to woman on the streets.
Haahahahahahaha
Kezia! 😍
This lady is trying to go back to the 90s and early 2000s. All of us men would love that but the reality is that if you’re not optimizing social media and dating apps you’re cutting yourself short
imagine matching with Kezia on a dating app lmao
“Cold approach is gangster!” ~ Owen Cook (circa 2012)
Looking very gorgeous Miss Noble
Big simpin
She confuses Black Pill, Red Pill Rage, and a healthy Red Pill approach.
+ @stevec3526 She was and IS biased from the get go, the moment the stream began.
she has no idea wtf she’s talking about LMFAOOOOO, rare miss from sartain, you don’t ask a fish how to catch fish, you ask the fisherman.
@@drock430
She _knows_ Red Pill is about evifence based knowledge.
That is why she is against it.
Nice to listen to a smart woman.
They do exist.
1:57:48 yes, this weirds me out most of all! Younger generations don’t know what normal is.
Hypergamy never Dies
Hypergamy destroys civilizations.
I don’t think taking advice from this lady will help men long term. Imo
Michael always qualifying himself with "i know so many girls"
100%. He does it all the time.
Women ALWAYS tell me they are TOO busy, in person. That’s why I go to the apps.
1:27:15 …. A woman pulling away from a kiss definitely isn’t good, in fact, I’d say that’s a terminal blow most of the time (unless if you just met the girl)
Kezia is pretty cool
Bitterness:Translation stop telling the truth
Nope, it's called cognitive dissonance
She's a pistol. That was great.
she mentioned Coach Red Pill Gonzalo Lira :( RIP Coach, my first internet dad in 2016
What's weird is that Michael quite often says on his podcast to never take advice from a woman.....yet comes out and says the opposite 1 minute into this one. 🤔🤔🤔
Shes the exception
@@realremix1ali not really.
@@aracelymoran2504 so Michael is lying in this podcast? Or is it not worth following his advice afterall?
She apparently showed all that British manners and high European IQ
1:03:05 >> Kezia Noble is 43. Meaning she is (way) past her prime (her looking as good as she does, is irellevant). Most women past her "epiphany phase" tend to like these more pretty looking guys - even younger ones (Johnny Depp, Timothée Chalamet type), where in her prime age and especially epihany phase, she would choose a more muscular "warrior type" (Jason Momoa, Chris Hemsworth type). There is a difference what kind of man a woman would pick as a mate (to breed and cohabitate with), or just as a "toyboy" (for sex and cozy dates) when she is older.
A little metro sexual pretty boy, is not a her first choice(biologically) for mating in her prime age. She may be attracted to the small pretty boy on her surface brain, but biologically will be drawn to the big brute alpha warrior type ;)
Every man should sell used cars for three months. Youll learn how to take rejection, overcome outright hostility, initial prejudice, and develop resulting confidence.
Dont do it forever. Just three months.
It will give new perspective.
Hello Michael Sartain, I'd like to join your next livestream one on one. I'd like to contend you about marriage. 🇿🇦
See you soon. Looking forward to it.
33:00 You would only get bitter if that situation happened directly to u. For example, that hot girl left u and went with that bad DJ, then ur gonna resent women.
Timothy was in the movie Dune
W MICHAEL SARTAIN
Love Kezia 💕
Ross Jeffries is still around...
He's doing sales training now.
Cougar 👍
Good points but it’s hard to discount the fact that she’s going after younger (less mature, less knowledgeable) men. A guy her age is dating someone half her age.
Michael doesn't exist without social media ⚠
So the guy that hosts a lot of night life and pageants in Vegas wouldn't exist without social media lol
But social media exists, and it's here to stay for a long time
I would have asked her how her knowledge of attraction cues, girl game, and her knowledge of polarity did not help maintain her marriage.
I notice that even women who are good as dating coaches can't have a stable relationship. Or maybe they only know enough to attract someone, but not enough to make monogamy work.
Her expertise is in how to get the person, not how to maintain a long term relationship.
@orangehair2518 Exactly. That's the easy part,really. The long game is for the man to be the man and for the woman to be at her most traditionally feminine.
These women are too modern. They think they are what men want, but that's far from the truth.
Men want the girl next door archetype for the long term.
There's some bullshit being hidden under the guise of "I understand Evolutionary Psychology" and I don't yet know what it is. I'm talking about the guy btw, the woman is just not a cringe feminist and so she gets to pass as a rational person. You'd be well served by listening to her at least for 20 mins to just confidently never think of her again.
Red Pill Rage is real.
Likely Modern life dating, or myron at 25min
I like this lady. great podcast
1 out of 10 is good
She had some valid points I'll give her that but, I find it odd that a ''dating coach for men'' would totally dismiss the concept of red flags in women......what? If her approach is just to help men hook up with chicks I guess that would be fine but, the idea that putting in extra time to entertain a woman who's natural impulse is to tell a man to ''fK off'' would be a worthwhile exploit (outside of purely sex) is odd.
25:12 she's definitely talking about pbd's karen, aka Adam sus....😅
39: 53
" I'm above instagram"
Well this is me. But Moa is right, being above instagram is more and more difficult because of the ubiquity of social media.
Thanks for bringing this out Kezia; but again you are a rarity of girls who don't care about superficiality. Again, younger and dumber girls don't operate on that level!
Interesting and even though having a monk like quality can be more peaceful but doesn't lead to sex. Guess women think that monk do not value sex?
I would rather build companies and SaaS product
having female dating coach on is a great way to lose any sort of credibility - she's clueless, HUGE L
She doesn’t want to take her boot camp out with his. Wonder why, lol.
22:57 - she could of skipped 90% of her input on this.
1:37:00 Funny how if ur ashamed of expressing ur sexual desire for a woman, then she perceives that as creepy, but if ur open about it, then it's not. But that's only the case if she finds u physically attractive first. Otherwise, ur still a creep.
I lost count of the amount of times she contradicted herself.
Sasha Daygame… old school
I think she makes sense on conversational connection but she is pretty outdated and DEAD WRONG with her view on social media. Women do not see Instagram the same as they see dating apps. You do not have followers on dating apps so it is as if you are a desperate guy in the room of many trying to get her attention. However on instagram you are the guy on stage that everyone is looking at. As guys we all know which is the better place to be
You have really exaggerated with ads here! Dislike! This is simply greed bro.
Think she was genuinely discused by this guy. Look at her body language.