Andrew the guys at PC forum are all pretty cool, you should post there. As someone who actually owned an early 2000's XL2 I can give some insight to what the real deal is about owning one. Do you like to wrench? No? Got deep pockets? Yes you can buy a decent bus for 2-300k but you are going to spend easily a $1000 a month in maintenance and likely upgrades, and that is YOU doing the labor. The more miles you put on it the more work you will do. Every trip I did I came back with a list of stuff that needed to be fixed, and I was doing most of the work myself, including all maintenance on the Detroit. ( You want a pre-egr 12.7, best engine ever made imo ). I had very minor delam, I fixed it with Bostick 073a, the problem did not come back. Airbags, suspension bushings, roof air problems, fan clutches, all the house side problems....on and on. Previous owner of my coach took good care of it but was just tired of dumping money in it. I took GREAT care of mine and still spent $25k in the first year, I got tired of always worrying about what else would break. Guy I sold it to kept it a couple years and also sold it after getting tired of the expense. So yes, compared to your average plastic coach, a used Marathon or similar is incredible value, the quality is off the charts compared to all the garbage that comes out of Indiana. The price of admission is just the beginning, you will find out the true cost of ownership later on...ohh and that shiny Prevost attracts a lot of attention...everyone assumes you have money and when you go for repairs you will be charged accordingly....you DO have money right???!!!!
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele Just a few more thoughts on owning a Prevost. Right now the cost of insurance is going way up, at a minimum it will be $3k a year on up to close to 10k at the high end. Fuel is cheap now but when I was running mine I had many $600-800 dollar fill ups ( I had long range tanks ). The chassis and drive-train are pretty bulletproof but these are complex and there is always something on the house side to look after. Some things are proprietary to the converter and you will need help. Finally, if you do decide to maintain it yourself remember this is a very heavy commercial vehicle, you will need skills and the right tools. While the converters do amazing work, things are packaged tight and working on or getting to things can be challenging. Want to pull the valve cover to run the overhead on the Detroit? Pull apart half of the back part of the bedroom etc etc. I may still buy another Prevost but every time I think about it, I remember back to how much work I put into it...oh and then you have to keep them washed and waxed, a tedious job...I paid others to detail, not cheap...but I HATED doing it myself...whaddaya charge for a detail Andrew?? Keep the videos coming!
This is exactly like owning large boats, sail or power. You figure 10% of total value of boat to be spent on maintenance per year. It’s just the way it is. If your home moved often like a bus or a boat you’d have the same problems.
I hope that Kyle can hang in there. This pandemic has everything messed up. Thank you for posting the truth about maintaining and repairing older bus. I have an 06 450 Lxi Wanderlodge. It has it's issues also. I am always constantly fixing stuff. Nothing major but always fixing. My bus was upgraded and repaired to the tune of over 66K dollars before we purchased and we still have things to attend to. Nothing major. Just always something. I didn't realize about those Prevost delam issues until recently. My friend has an older 90's Prevost and replacing the Aqua-Hot was going to be a 14K repair. He and his mechanic rebuilt the unit for a little less than 1K. That guy is now my mechanic. Thanks again. I really appreciate your honesty and service to the industry.
My favorite Andrew,lol..bless you kind soul..you are such a fine guy,Kyle is super cool dude...i was a driver back in the day,entertianment since 68...k..you be blessed,we are so grateful for your videos..peace be with you🤗
Kyle is a great source of information in regards to Prevost buses. His role within the bus rental business qualifies him to be a great resource when talking maintenance. Thanks Andrew for this video.
Good stuff, Andrew! I appreciate honest videos like this with great info on typical issues with the Prevost chassis. It definitely helps me to know what to look for and expect later on. “Thanks” to Kyle for sharing his wealth of knowledge!
Great job, Andrew! You cut right to the chase, which makes you a darn good consultant. Many a potential buyer of any high ended coach should take you on as such. You might just save them a humongous financial headache. Keep on truckin', Andrew.
Andrew always asks the most pertinent questions, and his guests like Kyle, who have the experience and background certainly deliver answers in spades. This one on most common Prevost repairs should be a mandatory must watch for any serious buyer considering one. Thank y’all for doing this video.
X tour bus driver .👍😜 worked a Parliament coach in CLEARWATER Fl...I did conversion and repairs on the H3-45 and the xll2 .I just love working on them and Driving them !!👍😜💯
I run Prevost commercially and I would agree that they are the “Cadillac of motorcoaches but they’re some real downsides of owning them. Commercially it’s far easier sourcing used parts that drivers like to destroy if you own an MCI simply because MCI owns about 60% of the market and used parts are much more available. Prevost air is very troublesome once the coaches get some age on them . One local charter bus company here that runs 80 H3-45 units is giving Prevost absolute hell over the problems that they are having. They buy five new ones a year from Prevost and it’s not uncommon for them to be riddled with problems that simply shouldn’t be happening. I’ve purchased my last Prevost. From a charter perspective MCI makes more financial sense.
I can’t speak for everyone else but I am interested in what problems I could run into if I purchased one of these land yachts. Like everything in life there’s prices to pay up front and prices that snag you later. Keep up the great videos and stay healthy.
Another informative and honest video, Andrew. Really good to hear Kyle’s experience with all his buses, and we have to remember that these are all “worst case” scenarios to these problems and also that a fibreglass coach isn’t maintenance free either and they also can have expensive repair bills. A bit off topic but it looks like the XLII entertainer buses have less overhang behind the tag than the private buses, that chassis looks more like a longer wheelbase X3, what’s that about?
Owning/Renting a coach like a Prevost is no different than if you went out and bought/leased an exotic car! Something along the lines of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren or even a Porsche. If you can afford to buy/rent, then in all honesty, you should also be able to afford the monthly/yearly costs involved in keeping such a behemoth on the road and yet still safe to everyone!
Kyle is so laid back and cool! Actually Prevost should take pointers from this video! They should either correct the problems or make the parts for fixing the problem extra affordable. The 5 grand for the seal is unexceptable! A call to china one of us can get that same rubber strip made for around 20 bucks a piece and sold here for about 200! Kyle is a fountain of knowledge with Prevost and his attitude is super cool!
Yeah that's what someone wants, a cheap chinese seal after paying the large labor cost to replace it. Who's going to make it for $20 when they aren't setup to do so. You pay the hundreds of thousands to setup the tooling and factory to make it. They can't just make something they are not already setup to do so
Sing the praises of the Wonderlodge LXi. Not one of them but not too bad. I do pay a good buck to keep her on the road.We do share the slide seals. 3K. Look at you over on Kevin's home page!
This is far, far more important than your never ending commentary on designer paint jobs, wallpaper, blinds, and tile. Start your videos with less fluff.
I love hearing about problems because I am in the market to purchase one. I could care less about designer paint and all that other fluff. Get to the specs get to the hours get to the problems. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it’s going to change with each person so unfortunately a lot of your videos really lack substance until you get to the mechanicals and hard facts. Love your channel just providing you some honest feedback
You have the BEST most honest advice on UA-cam I own a Peterbilt and yes LOTS of $$ and repairs but an RV would be another challenge..what happened to Big Tony? Stay safe
I owned trucks all my life, last one was a Pete with 425 Cat, 15 DO, the difference between repairs on it and my Tiffin Coach, the Pete was making my living, the Tiffin is a toy and no return on the repairs except a fun way to camp
Can't thank you enough for introducing me to Kyle! Hope you guys are staying safe! We should do a Midlife Prevost/Bordur coach leasing collaboration video 🎥🎬😁
It goes without saying that if you have the ask about the maintenance costs you probably can't afford the coach. Sorry to hear of so many businesses impacted by the virus.
People often describe Prevost as, "The Cadillac of coaches", but really they're more like the Bentley of coaches. If I were to buy, I'd probably go for a restored classic GM bus or an MCI.
I feel your pain, trucks/ Buses/ Heavy Equipment of any Kind...CHA CHING,$$$$$$$ A good way to look at heavy equipment, and Buses is the first 5 years or 300,000 miles is always the best after that the Daily/Monthly/ Yearly upkeep can get a little expensive. You really have to look at what is cheaper or better for your self. The first 5 years of deprecation on a 2.4 million dollar bus, or the cost of repairs and up keep on the next 5/10 years of a used coach. If the previous owners were up to speed on up keep and kept the equipment zeroed out on Maintenance The Later is cheaper...If not look out... My opinion..
The one thing that causes me to hesitate buying a Prevost is exactly what this video is about. However, if I lived closer to Kyle, that would go a long way towards mitigating that concern. I could work with him. I hope he weathers this government-imposed shutdown and gets his coaches back on the road soon.
Would like to hear a comparison between a Bus Conversion (Prevost, MCI) versus a Class 8 Truck Conversion (Freightliner, Peterbuilt, Kenworth, Volvo Chassis)
I got a 0( Tiffin. I told a friend that you can get a older Prevost in same price range. But something that cost 2 million is going to cost big bucks to fix anything on it down the road. Those buses take an owner with deep pockets.
yes you must think before you buy- although it was a much costlier coach new but if you were to buy a 2000 Prevost the repairs and maintenance VS a comparable (price wise) say a 2016 NEWMAR to maintain and repair .it would be astronomically more to upkeep the 2000 prevost i would think! now i could be wrong but think about it? it may not be as smart as you think to buy the QUALITY OLDER unit ,
I will never be able to afford one, I'm not looking for the problems, I just didn't know that a Trailways or Greyhound busses were available it is just interesting.
i dont get weird joy lol as you said, BUT also when people think they own the best i want them to be honest and show that THE BEST still break and when the BEST break it can cost an INSANE amount of real mula to fix it! Usually a lot more than a " throwaway motor home does to fix and sometimes just to repair a "PREVOST" costs more than the cost of a BRAND NEW throwaway motor home, SO in my humble opinion is it really worth the cost to own "THE BEST" ? because they all break!YES to be able to have the word PREVOST on the front and rear is a statement! what statement does it make about the owner? i suppose its mostly about our attitude on life and to other people whether you live in a Prevost or Jayco lol :)
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele that's kind of what I was thinking but I wasn't for sure, I thought possibly some of the small trim and sealing panels around the windows would eventually work themselves loose. Thanks again I appreciate your time
They aren't as air tight like the prevost slides, I will have to do more research on that to understand it more. Hopefully I can share that info in future videos. Thanks!
A bladder has a filler that compresses, others have a gasket that compresses . Gaskets flatten, tear or adhesives let loose. Bladder is better system but a lot more expensive.
To be honest what you showed can be found on any RV not just Prevost. No coach is free of potential problems but some are more susceptible to many problems and Prevost isn't one of them
The 28ft trailers that have Budd rims are the worst, I have litteraly had the the wheels seperate and that is not a joruney you want to have. granted these were on an 18 wheeler, but i think it would be the ame on an rv.
32years in trucking never had a problem with bud type wheels if I was having a problem it was a bad wheel and that happens with most things you buy the new style lug nuts you might be opening a new can of worms
The problem with motorcoaches is they sit, when they sit it allows oxidation to happen.. when trucks go down the road your constantly having maintenance done, flats,, new tires, brake work seals, so you catch any issues. These fellows are talking low mileage low maintenance vehicles. Like going and buying a 25 to 30 year old vehicle that has 5000 miles and not expecting any issues. I had a chance to buy a 2003 Toyota avalon with 15000 miles but th ey wanted $9000 for it ,they even put new tires on it. I pulled the Trans. dip stick and the fluid was like honey.I suspect that the person who bought it put at least $6000. into it within 6 months. Low mile, high deterioration,things break.
We are super c owners have owed two a renegade and a haulmark. Definitely bulletproof rigs front engine makes service easy, components and systems use simply universal rv industry parts so repairs can be made by anyone anywhere. Safety is great front engines are going to win in a collision. That being said I don’t think the ride, fit and finish could ever be compared. I’ve always lusted for a bus had many friends own them love them or hate the experience and sell.So consider your needs and budget definitely both great choices. Good luck and thanks Andrew for the great content...
Although the coaches look nice with the slides out, as for myself, if I was to buy an older coach, I would much prefer a no slide coach, as they get older it seems as if more problems seem to creep up everytime you come back from a trip, and to me, slides are just another huge expense, when they break down or leak, you're talking big bucks to repair them. If you can afford a brand new coach that has a good warranty, and your the type of person that trades up every 4 or 5 yrs then it would be nice to have a couple of slides, otherwise 10+ yrs old, I'll stick with the no slide coach.
Hub pilot hubs are around 400$ a piece, hub pilot wheels 250$ a piece. Plus whatever you spend on decent tires.18k to swap it over to hub pilots...Thats at least 8k in labor they charge ,thats insane.
Your talking Prevost, like talking Hatteras yachts labor rates and parts cost put into a millionaires budget. A doctor once told me its not how much , I just write a check. True statement, most of us don't live in that world. You ever see a person making $40000 a year going out and buying a Prevost or a Hatteras they couldn't afford the first fuel up.
Most people that buy prevost don't realize what kind of problems your in for. I think a nice 5th wheel or trailer should be fine. Why waste so much money on these money losing RVs. I got lucky i bought a pleasure way plateau ts kept it a year and used it for a summer and sold it for $7,000 more then i paid for it. That was a miracle
We were talking about that the other day. He doesn't have very much experience with newells as he has been deep in the Prevost world for several years. My buddy Stapleton42 made some good points towards the end of the Dale Earnhardt Newell video I recently posted. I'm a huge fan of Newell myself and hope to learn more about them in the near future.
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele Andrew, what about the FORETRAVEL coaches. I don't hear much about them except for my friend who owns one. They seem to have GREAT quality.
@@MonacoMike I agree. Foretravel seems to be the best kept secret in the business. They target the range above production coaches, but below Newell and Prevost. Seem to be very fine products.
So what your saying is these trucks are overpriced, very poorly designed pieces of crap and the repair costs are outlandish and often don't amount to much more than a Band-Aid on a design flaw?
Andrew when your making your videos saying you want transparency, maybe try getting all the facts. Yes I’m the owner of a 99 Marathon with rivets so I don’t have the delamination issues that the XLII have, but you need to get the facts before you try to scare people out of buying the coaches. First you said that the Prevost fix for the delamination is only good for 10 years, this is false, check with Prevost its good for the life of the coach, I have friends who have had it done. Your friend with the tour buses, who only pulls the panel out a bit and squirts more glue in and said it good for 10 years might be correct saying that . He also said it costs $10 thousand to do this, that equates to $1000 a year which isn’t bad considering he stated he runs them 80000 miles a year, which over 10 years is 800000 miles. Please show me any other fiberglass coach that will run 800000 miles, and as he said most of his coaches were early 2000’s, doing the math 20 years times 80000 miles a year works out to 1.6 million miles, again show me a fiberglass coach still on the road and running with mileage like that.. Some of your viewers say they are a black hole and cost way to much, well please compare apples to apples, Prevost’s have to meet crash test ratings for a commercial vehicle, which I will guarantee the other coaches can’t touch. Have you typed RV crashes into the youtube search window, 95% of other RV’s will disintegrate in a crash, where as the Prevost will most likely still be intact and you will walk away, as you keep saying its all about the safety, and a commercial vehicle such as these just cost more than their non commercial counter parts, quality cost more period. I’m not trying to say that Prevost’s don’t have issues they do, but so does every other brand. I personally like the information your providing your viewers but please get all the facts correct before you hit post. One other thing, you said that Prevost Community wouldn’t let you join, that seems strange to me as this the nicest group of people you will ever meet, anyone of the forum will bend over backwards to help you with any question you might have about Prevost ownership, good bad or otherwise. Is a bus for everyone, I would say no, but don’t knock because you don’t have one, they are an amazing coach with pro’s and con’s just like any other RV.
Fantastic answer from an emd iser Throws an entirely new perspective on things. Those people in Quebec take enormous pride in what they build. They are all about service. Hard to beat
I follow and like what you are doing, but goodness gracious, why talk about every, single, major event that is truly at the highest end of repair costs. It so very unlikely that each of these will happen at the same time. For those that want to know the “reality” of the matter, join Prevost Community or Prevost Owner Group. That is where you can see what owners if Prevost go through on a regular basis. One other thing. Take extreme caution if you even consider buying a used Entertainer Tour Coach. They could possibly be well maintained, but the an Entertainer Tour Coach will be subject to so much abuse you may just likely incur all of these inflated repairs that Andrew talks about. As with the media, unbiased needs to be taken here. Ask other major Entertainer Coach operators about their experience. If you want to know about privately owned Prevost ownership and repair costs, talk to private owners. Our experience is far different than what has been talked about in this video. Apples to Apples matters when making these types of repair cost claims.
I definitely try to get as much information as possible. I have other videos where I have interviewed Prevost owners about their Prevost problems. For some reason, even though I followed all of the rules of the Prevost owners group, they banned me! I'm not sure what the reason is, but whoever is in charge of the Prevost owners group is not a fan of mine. I would much rather get my information from that group but because they don't like me, I don't have access and can only make videos about what I have access to. look up my video, Marathon coach owner after 14 years of ownership or Prevost problems with mid-life. If you or any Prevost owners you know ever want to come visit me in Scottsdale, I would be happy to interview you.
RVing with Andrew Steele I have watched the majority of your videos including those with private owners. All I can say is that is highly unlikely that private owners are doing anything close to 80K miles per year on their coach. The most I have heard about is a quarter of that. Most of us try to get to it destination and then stay there for a while. I know quite few private owners that will go from place to place across the country in a month, but again, there is usually some stay in place time in each place visited. Those Entertainer Coach and Tour Operators are constantly on the go. Seeing them do 80K miles in a year is quite easy. It is just likely to be the case with a Private Prevost owner. I hate to learn the POG banned you. Quite a lot of good and accurate private ownership information on POG and Prevost Community. In PC we are a family that is unbiased and truly try to take care of one another. Take care and keep the videos coming. Hope your high end detailing business is doing alright. How is Big Tony?
@@rsbolin Thanks Ron, the season is over for the detailing business unfortunately. Around April, all of the RVs head north and it will be a little bit too warm to detail coaches down here. I usually make a majority of my income between January and April so this has been a tough season. I understand that these two are bosses are going to be put to the test much more than traditional RVs and that was why we made sure to disclose early in the video that these coaches get 80000 miles a year put on them. that was actually a late part of the conversation but I edited it to the beginning of the video because I thought it was important. I'm still a member of Prevost community so will try to learn as much as possible in that group. These Prevost coaches are truly meant to run a million miles and most of those sitting around RV parks will never reach half of that. They really are a machine that is built for a purpose. What year and converter is your coach? Where are you located? I would be happy to interview you if we ever cross paths
RVing with Andrew Steele The guy who banned you from the provost group must be real ugly pathetic little loser, an insecure, jealous little freak, and obviously will never succeed in any job that holds real power, thus why your being outcasted, it’s making the loser feel soooo important.....that is in my opinion. Because your not the type of guy to be deserving that kind of unfair treatment. Cheers🍻
RVing with Andrew Steele I am in the Greenville, SC area. I probably would not be worth the interview time, but I know a retired Major for The Air Force that is on his second Prevost, 2006 Marathon I believe. He is a class act and travels quite a bit with his full family. You come to this part of the country you are welcome to visit and chat. My Prevost nothing to brag about but it sure nice to have. R
No wonder he thinks there the best coach,Kyle has a car park full off them to fix...It looks like it’s money in the bank for him. It’s like throwing money on fire,I would not buy a pravo bus.I would sooner invest the money on beer and hookers lol
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele yes its easy to say a million miles, i have 966k on my volvo but my point is your tiffen or a ford escort can go a million miles but it costs for every mile and it gets to a point that to push a escort, my volvo , my Newmar or even a Prevost to 1million miles starts to not be cost effective- i know where Prevost buses go to die with under a million OR where they sell to the next guy who says he can convert it and keep it going but it aint cost effective for a bus company to keep them to keep putting on the miles that they do each year, to convert one and then to drive it few thousand miles a year is fine.
Andrew the guys at PC forum are all pretty cool, you should post there. As someone who actually owned an early 2000's XL2 I can give some insight to what the real deal is about owning one.
Do you like to wrench? No? Got deep pockets? Yes you can buy a decent bus for 2-300k but you are going to spend easily a $1000 a month in maintenance and likely upgrades, and that is YOU doing the labor. The more miles you put on it the more work you will do. Every trip I did I came back with a list of stuff that needed to be fixed, and I was doing most of the work myself, including all maintenance on the Detroit. ( You want a pre-egr 12.7, best engine ever made imo ).
I had very minor delam, I fixed it with Bostick 073a, the problem did not come back. Airbags, suspension bushings, roof air problems, fan clutches, all the house side problems....on and on.
Previous owner of my coach took good care of it but was just tired of dumping money in it. I took GREAT care of mine and still spent $25k in the first year, I got tired of always worrying about what else would break. Guy I sold it to kept it a couple years and also sold it after getting tired of the expense.
So yes, compared to your average plastic coach, a used Marathon or similar is incredible value, the quality is off the charts compared to all the garbage that comes out of Indiana. The price of admission is just the beginning, you will find out the true cost of ownership later on...ohh and that shiny Prevost attracts a lot of attention...everyone assumes you have money and when you go for repairs you will be charged accordingly....you DO have money right???!!!!
Thank you sir, you are spot-on.
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele Just a few more thoughts on owning a Prevost. Right now the cost of insurance is going way up, at a minimum it will be $3k a year on up to close to 10k at the high end. Fuel is cheap now but when I was running mine I had many $600-800 dollar fill ups ( I had long range tanks ). The chassis and drive-train are pretty bulletproof but these are complex and there is always something on the house side to look after. Some things are proprietary to the converter and you will need help.
Finally, if you do decide to maintain it yourself remember this is a very heavy commercial vehicle, you will need skills and the right tools. While the converters do amazing work, things are packaged tight and working on or getting to things can be challenging. Want to pull the valve cover to run the overhead on the Detroit? Pull apart half of the back part of the bedroom etc etc.
I may still buy another Prevost but every time I think about it, I remember back to how much work I put into it...oh and then you have to keep them washed and waxed, a tedious job...I paid others to detail, not cheap...but I HATED doing it myself...whaddaya charge for a detail Andrew?? Keep the videos coming!
This is exactly like owning large boats, sail or power. You figure 10% of total value of boat to be spent on maintenance per year. It’s just the way it is. If your home moved often like a bus or a boat you’d have the same problems.
Love this comment. I'll take a yacht, it seems just as expensive but more free.
I hope that Kyle can hang in there. This pandemic has everything messed up.
Thank you for posting the truth about maintaining and repairing older bus.
I have an 06 450 Lxi Wanderlodge. It has it's issues also. I am always constantly fixing stuff. Nothing major but always fixing. My bus was upgraded and repaired to the tune of over 66K dollars
before we purchased and we still have things to attend to. Nothing major. Just always something.
I didn't realize about those Prevost delam issues until recently. My friend has an older 90's Prevost and replacing the Aqua-Hot was going to be a 14K repair. He and his mechanic rebuilt the unit for a little less than 1K. That guy is now my mechanic.
Thanks again. I really appreciate your honesty and service to the industry.
My favorite Andrew,lol..bless you kind soul..you are such a fine guy,Kyle is super cool dude...i was a driver back in the day,entertianment since 68...k..you be blessed,we are so grateful for your videos..peace be with you🤗
Growing up in San Tan Arizona i can appreciate the honesty of Kyle and the info on these buses. Great video. Thanks for posting it.
Kyle is a great source of information in regards to Prevost buses. His role within the bus rental business qualifies him to be a great resource when talking maintenance. Thanks Andrew for this video.
One of your best Andrew. A MUST WATCH; Truly frank and honest. Be safe, Thanks
Good stuff, Andrew! I appreciate honest videos like this with great info on typical issues with the Prevost chassis. It definitely helps me to know what to look for and expect later on. “Thanks” to Kyle for sharing his wealth of knowledge!
Great job, Andrew! You cut right to the chase, which makes you a darn good consultant. Many a potential buyer of any high ended coach should take you on as such. You might just save them a humongous financial headache. Keep on truckin', Andrew.
Andrew always asks the most pertinent questions, and his guests like Kyle, who have the experience and background certainly deliver answers in spades. This one on most common Prevost repairs should be a mandatory must watch for any serious buyer considering one. Thank y’all for doing this video.
X tour bus driver .👍😜 worked a Parliament coach in CLEARWATER
Fl...I did conversion and repairs on the H3-45 and the xll2 .I just love working on them and Driving them !!👍😜💯
Kyle, always shooting straight. Great interview. Important knowledge. Thank you. Happy trails!
Always the truth from Andrew! Thank you
I appreciate the information, gives a person perspective on maintenance and repair costs 👍🏼
I run Prevost commercially and I would agree that they are the “Cadillac of motorcoaches but they’re some real downsides of owning them. Commercially it’s far easier sourcing used parts that drivers like to destroy if you own an MCI simply because MCI owns about 60% of the market and used parts are much more available. Prevost air is very troublesome once the coaches get some age on them . One local charter bus company here that runs 80 H3-45 units is giving Prevost absolute hell over the problems that they are having. They buy five new ones a year from Prevost and it’s not uncommon for them to be riddled with problems that simply shouldn’t be happening. I’ve purchased my last Prevost. From a charter perspective MCI makes more financial sense.
Hi Andrew, love these videos with Kyle, I’m learning valuable information that the Prevost salesman never seem to mention 🤔
I can’t speak for everyone else but I am interested in what problems I could run into if I purchased one of these land yachts. Like everything in life there’s prices to pay up front and prices that snag you later. Keep up the great videos and stay healthy.
Another informative and honest video, Andrew. Really good to hear Kyle’s experience with all his buses, and we have to remember that these are all “worst case” scenarios to these problems and also that a fibreglass coach isn’t maintenance free either and they also can have expensive repair bills. A bit off topic but it looks like the XLII entertainer buses have less overhang behind the tag than the private buses, that chassis looks more like a longer wheelbase X3, what’s that about?
Great video Andrew. Quick lesson to the person who is making 30k a year that they CANNOT AFFORD TO OWN ONE.
That's just what it cost to run it and maintain it for a year.
Thanks Andrew you are painting a very clear picture as far as a prevostI think I will be completely happy with a tiffin a newmar or an American coach
Go American Coach.
Best of the 3 you mentioned
Owning/Renting a coach like a Prevost is no different than if you went out and bought/leased an exotic car! Something along the lines of a Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren or even a Porsche. If you can afford to buy/rent, then in all honesty, you should also be able to afford the monthly/yearly costs involved in keeping such a behemoth on the road and yet still safe to everyone!
Kyle is so laid back and cool! Actually Prevost should take pointers from this video! They should either correct the problems or make the parts for fixing the problem extra affordable. The 5 grand for the seal is unexceptable! A call to china one of us can get that same rubber strip made for around 20 bucks a piece and sold here for about 200! Kyle is a fountain of knowledge with Prevost and his attitude is super cool!
Yeah that's what someone wants, a cheap chinese seal after paying the large labor cost to replace it. Who's going to make it for $20 when they aren't setup to do so. You pay the hundreds of thousands to setup the tooling and factory to make it. They can't just make something they are not already setup to do so
Love your content Andrew!
Sing the praises of the Wonderlodge LXi. Not one of them but not too bad. I do pay a good buck to keep her on the road.We do share the slide seals. 3K. Look at you over on Kevin's home page!
Always cool vids with Kyle. Gonna be a tough year for sure. Hooe he gets some govt money to tide him over.
This is far, far more important than your never ending commentary on designer paint jobs, wallpaper, blinds, and tile. Start your videos with less fluff.
I love hearing about problems because I am in the market to purchase one. I could care less about designer paint and all that other fluff. Get to the specs get to the hours get to the problems. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it’s going to change with each person so unfortunately a lot of your videos really lack substance until you get to the mechanicals and hard facts. Love your channel just providing you some honest feedback
You have the BEST most honest advice on UA-cam I own a Peterbilt and yes LOTS of $$ and repairs but an RV would be another challenge..what happened to Big Tony? Stay safe
I owned trucks all my life, last one was a Pete with 425 Cat, 15 DO, the difference between repairs on it and my Tiffin Coach, the Pete was making my living, the Tiffin is a toy and no return on the repairs except a fun way to camp
Good set up 425 Cat 15 over 370's I had 90 model with setup now 06 C13 Acert 13 355's oh well..happy travels to you
Great video guys as usual a lot of good quality information here🙏📝
Can't thank you enough for introducing me to Kyle! Hope you guys are staying safe! We should do a Midlife Prevost/Bordur coach leasing collaboration video 🎥🎬😁
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele yes!!!! Tell me when!
It goes without saying that if you have the ask about the maintenance costs you probably can't afford the coach. Sorry to hear of so many businesses impacted by the virus.
What tire pressure monitoring system does he recommend for a 365 all wheel upgrade with new rims?
People often describe Prevost as, "The Cadillac of coaches", but really they're more like the Bentley of coaches. If I were to buy, I'd probably go for a restored classic GM bus or an MCI.
I feel your pain, trucks/ Buses/ Heavy Equipment of any Kind...CHA CHING,$$$$$$$
A good way to look at heavy equipment, and Buses is the first 5 years or 300,000 miles is always the best after that the Daily/Monthly/ Yearly upkeep can get a little expensive. You really have to look at what is cheaper or better for your self. The first 5 years of deprecation on a 2.4 million dollar bus, or the cost of repairs and up keep on the next 5/10 years of a used coach. If the previous owners were up to speed on up keep and kept the equipment zeroed out on Maintenance The Later is cheaper...If not look out...
My opinion..
What about the H series? Any delam or other issues particular to that model?
The one thing that causes me to hesitate buying a Prevost is exactly what this video is about. However, if I lived closer to Kyle, that would go a long way towards mitigating that concern. I could work with him. I hope he weathers this government-imposed shutdown and gets his coaches back on the road soon.
Don't let these videos scare you away from a Prevost they are great machines!!!
What about moisture getting into that crack what’s behind it what could Rust or mold?
Sucks all them coaches sitting and not rolling means no money no income 😢
You hit it exactly. Thanks for watching
Would like to hear a comparison between a Bus Conversion (Prevost, MCI) versus a Class 8 Truck Conversion (Freightliner, Peterbuilt, Kenworth, Volvo Chassis)
Google Genesis or as we called it The Peterbus.
We need a part two.
Explain why three what is 315 and what is 365 thanks for the video
I got a 0( Tiffin. I told a friend that you can get a older Prevost in same price range. But something that cost 2 million is going to cost big bucks to fix anything on it down the road. Those buses take an owner with deep pockets.
yes you must think before you buy- although it was a much costlier coach new but if you were to buy a 2000 Prevost the repairs and maintenance VS a comparable (price wise) say a 2016 NEWMAR to maintain and repair .it would be astronomically more to upkeep the 2000 prevost i would think! now i could be wrong but think about it? it may not be as smart as you think to buy the QUALITY OLDER unit ,
I will never be able to afford one, I'm not looking for the problems, I just didn't know that a Trailways or Greyhound busses were available it is just interesting.
Why do they relaminate instead of using rivets?
RIP Eddie Money
The dubbed-in cash register is hilarious
Really nice one...
im glad NOVA never got in this end of the busness
i dont get weird joy lol as you said, BUT also when people think they own the best i want them to be honest and show that THE BEST still break and when the BEST break it can cost an INSANE amount of real mula to fix it! Usually a lot more than a " throwaway motor home does to fix and sometimes just to repair a "PREVOST" costs more than the cost of a BRAND NEW throwaway motor home, SO in my humble opinion is it really worth the cost to own "THE BEST" ? because they all break!YES to be able to have the word PREVOST on the front and rear is a statement! what statement does it make about the owner? i suppose its mostly about our attitude on life and to other people whether you live in a Prevost or Jayco lol :)
When did bus air go r134?
Wondering about prevo H3-45 and delam issues? The XL2 is the talking point of this but no one talks about the H series?
Appreciate you're videos !
You don't have to worry about delam with the h3 but you can get paint checking in some of the older coaches
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele that's kind of what I was thinking but I wasn't for sure, I thought possibly some of the small trim and sealing panels around the windows would eventually work themselves loose. Thanks again I appreciate your time
Dang Andrew I can see the prevost stock dropping now buddy but they do cost a lot and a whole lot more for up keep
I'm remodeling a 1990 MCI Eagle myself from basement up were is there a boneyard for slightly used coach parts ?
Visone RV in Kentucky. Anything you could ever need for ANY rv...
What exactly is a 365?
CruiseAirs are $15,000 to replace...and add labor to that.
No way bubba. AAP will sell um for about 4 grand a piece. I know I have 3 in my XL.
Could you not just add rivets to it like the older models? Seems it would be more permanent.
Its a good look too,like an old aircraft !!
Andrew so what's the difference between just a regular slide on a newmar that doesn't have a bladder and prevost
They aren't as air tight like the prevost slides, I will have to do more research on that to understand it more. Hopefully I can share that info in future videos. Thanks!
A bladder has a filler that compresses, others have a gasket that compresses . Gaskets flatten, tear or adhesives let loose. Bladder is better system but a lot more expensive.
To be honest what you showed can be found on any RV not just Prevost. No coach is free of potential problems but some are more susceptible to many problems and Prevost isn't one of them
Can you post Kyle's contact information. Like what company is he with to contact him about prevost repairs
The 28ft trailers that have Budd rims are the worst, I have litteraly had the the wheels seperate and that is not a joruney you want to have. granted these were on an 18 wheeler, but i think it would be the ame on an rv.
32years in trucking never had a problem with bud type wheels if I was having a problem it was a bad wheel and that happens with most things you buy the new style lug nuts you might be opening a new can of worms
The problem with motorcoaches is they sit, when they sit it allows oxidation to happen.. when trucks go down the road your constantly having maintenance done, flats,, new tires, brake work seals, so you catch any issues. These fellows are talking low mileage low maintenance vehicles. Like going and buying a 25 to 30 year old vehicle that has 5000 miles and not expecting any issues. I had a chance to buy a 2003 Toyota avalon with 15000 miles but th ey wanted $9000 for it ,they even put new tires on it. I pulled the Trans. dip stick and the fluid was like honey.I suspect that the person who bought it put at least $6000. into it within 6 months. Low mile, high deterioration,things break.
Where is Kyle located?
How about Renegade RV? What kind of problems do they have (Super C)?
We are super c owners have owed two a renegade and a haulmark. Definitely bulletproof rigs front engine makes service easy, components and systems use simply universal rv industry parts so repairs can be made by anyone anywhere. Safety is great front engines are going to win in a collision. That being said I don’t think the ride, fit and finish could ever be compared. I’ve always lusted for a bus had many friends own them love them or hate the experience and sell.So consider your needs and budget definitely both great choices. Good luck and thanks Andrew for the great content...
I hope to learn more about super C's and make more super c videos in the future!
Is Kyle looking for drivers?
Hey Andrew,
Just Perfect,
V MAN
When he’s not repairing prevost buses, he’s quarterbacking the Jackson Jaguars on Sunday’s.
Delam...bingo...great topic!!!...50k holy shit...how long should the fix last?...Reglue...horseshit
Although the coaches look nice with the slides out, as for myself, if I was to buy an older coach, I would much prefer a no slide coach, as they get older it seems as if more problems seem to creep up everytime you come back from a trip, and to me, slides are just another huge expense, when they break down or leak, you're talking big bucks to repair them. If you can afford a brand new coach that has a good warranty, and your the type of person that trades up every 4 or 5 yrs then it would be nice to have a couple of slides, otherwise 10+ yrs old, I'll stick with the no slide coach.
I thought it would be higher than $18,000.00 for all new wheels...
When you buy a Prevost (Cadillac),
Expect Prevost prices.
If you can afford to buy it,
Expect to afford to fix it.
Very true
Truth!! Or make sure like us you have an AWESOME mechanic like Kyle!😁
@@midlifeprevost1182 yes, Good honest Techs/Mechanic's are hard to come by.
Hub pilot hubs are around 400$ a piece, hub pilot wheels 250$ a piece. Plus whatever you spend on decent tires.18k to swap it over to hub pilots...Thats at least 8k in labor they charge ,thats insane.
Your talking Prevost, like talking Hatteras yachts labor rates and parts cost put into a millionaires budget. A doctor once told me its not how much , I just write a check. True statement, most of us don't live in that world. You ever see a person making $40000 a year going out and buying a Prevost or a Hatteras they couldn't afford the first fuel up.
Most people that buy prevost don't realize what kind of problems your in for. I think a nice 5th wheel or trailer should be fine. Why waste so much money on these money losing RVs. I got lucky i bought a pleasure way plateau ts kept it a year and used it for a summer and sold it for $7,000 more then i paid for it. That was a miracle
Andrew, did you know and have you seen a Prevost Dale Earnhardt edition? I never knew they existed until I went to a drag race @ Bristol Tennessee.
What's Kyle's (and Andrew's) opinion on Newell coaches? Pros and cons vs. Prevost?
We were talking about that the other day. He doesn't have very much experience with newells as he has been deep in the Prevost world for several years. My buddy Stapleton42 made some good points towards the end of the Dale Earnhardt Newell video I recently posted. I'm a huge fan of Newell myself and hope to learn more about them in the near future.
RVing with Andrew Steele Thanks, so much, for the response, Andrew. And, thanks for ALL that you do!
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele Andrew, what about the FORETRAVEL coaches. I don't hear much about them except for my friend who owns one. They seem to have GREAT quality.
@@MonacoMike I agree. Foretravel seems to be the best kept secret in the business. They target the range above production coaches, but below Newell and Prevost. Seem to be very fine products.
Well there is jealously. I couldn't even afford the maintenance.
lol
I can relate to that!
You can rent those monsters???
That's what all the entertainers do. That's why they run 80,000 miles a year, doing concerts.
Bottom line is that no one rides for free it's cash grass or 🎠
So what your saying is these trucks are overpriced, very poorly designed pieces of crap and the repair costs are outlandish and often don't amount to much more than a Band-Aid on a design flaw?
Andrew when your making your videos saying you want transparency, maybe try getting all the facts. Yes I’m the owner of a 99 Marathon with rivets so I don’t have the delamination issues that the XLII have, but you need to get the facts before you try to scare people out of buying the coaches. First you said that the Prevost fix for the delamination is only good for 10 years, this is false, check with Prevost its good for the life of the coach, I have friends who have had it done. Your friend with the tour buses, who only pulls the panel out a bit and squirts more glue in and said it good for 10 years might be correct saying that . He also said it costs $10 thousand to do this, that equates to $1000 a year which isn’t bad considering he stated he runs them 80000 miles a year, which over 10 years is 800000 miles. Please show me any other fiberglass coach that will run 800000 miles, and as he said most of his coaches were early 2000’s, doing the math 20 years times 80000 miles a year works out to 1.6 million miles, again show me a fiberglass coach still on the road and running with mileage like that.. Some of your viewers say they are a black hole and cost way to much, well please compare apples to apples, Prevost’s have to meet crash test ratings for a commercial vehicle, which I will guarantee the other coaches can’t touch.
Have you typed RV crashes into the youtube search window, 95% of other RV’s will disintegrate in a crash, where as the Prevost will most likely still be intact and you will walk away, as you keep saying its all about the safety, and a commercial vehicle such as these just cost more than their non commercial counter parts, quality cost more period.
I’m not trying to say that Prevost’s don’t have issues they do, but so does every other brand. I personally like the information your providing your viewers but please get all the facts correct before you hit post.
One other thing, you said that Prevost Community wouldn’t let you join, that seems strange to me as this the nicest group of people you will ever meet, anyone of the forum will bend over backwards to help you with any question you might have about Prevost ownership, good bad or otherwise. Is a bus for everyone, I would say no, but don’t knock because you don’t have one, they are an amazing coach with pro’s and con’s just like any other RV.
Mark M you pays your money you take your choice...
Fantastic answer from an emd iser
Throws an entirely new perspective on things. Those people in Quebec take enormous pride in what they build. They are all about service. Hard to beat
Word 👍🏻
O boy the Ship may need some work...
Get a Casita !! Lol
0:27 it’s called Schadenfreude. 😂
If it was the best it would not have problems
A $5000 dollar rubber seal? I love being ripped off.
The difference between a Chevrolet and a Rolls Royce
Nuell beats Prevost by a MILE.
You don't sit still.
The more you repair it, the worse it gets. 🙄
:-))) :-))))
I follow and like what you are doing, but goodness gracious, why talk about every, single, major event that is truly at the highest end of repair costs.
It so very unlikely that each of these will happen at the same time. For those that want to know the “reality” of the matter, join Prevost Community or Prevost Owner Group. That is where you can see what owners if Prevost go through on a regular basis.
One other thing. Take extreme caution if you even consider buying a used Entertainer Tour Coach. They could possibly be well maintained, but the an Entertainer Tour Coach will be subject to so much abuse you may just likely incur all of these inflated repairs that Andrew talks about.
As with the media, unbiased needs to be taken here. Ask other major Entertainer Coach operators about their experience.
If you want to know about privately owned Prevost ownership and repair costs, talk to private owners. Our experience is far different than what has been talked about in this video.
Apples to Apples matters when making these types of repair cost claims.
I definitely try to get as much information as possible. I have other videos where I have interviewed Prevost owners about their Prevost problems. For some reason, even though I followed all of the rules of the Prevost owners group, they banned me! I'm not sure what the reason is, but whoever is in charge of the Prevost owners group is not a fan of mine. I would much rather get my information from that group but because they don't like me, I don't have access and can only make videos about what I have access to. look up my video, Marathon coach owner after 14 years of ownership or Prevost problems with mid-life. If you or any Prevost owners you know ever want to come visit me in Scottsdale, I would be happy to interview you.
RVing with Andrew Steele I have watched the majority of your videos including those with private owners. All I can say is that is highly unlikely that private owners are doing anything close to 80K miles per year on their coach. The most I have heard about is a quarter of that. Most of us try to get to it destination and then stay there for a while. I know quite few private owners that will go from place to place across the country in a month, but again, there is usually some stay in place time in each place visited.
Those Entertainer Coach and Tour Operators are constantly on the go. Seeing them do 80K miles in a year is quite easy.
It is just likely to be the case with a Private Prevost owner.
I hate to learn the POG banned you. Quite a lot of good and accurate private ownership information on POG and Prevost Community. In PC we are a family that is unbiased and truly try to take care of one another.
Take care and keep the videos coming. Hope your high end detailing business is doing alright.
How is Big Tony?
@@rsbolin Thanks Ron, the season is over for the detailing business unfortunately. Around April, all of the RVs head north and it will be a little bit too warm to detail coaches down here. I usually make a majority of my income between January and April so this has been a tough season.
I understand that these two are bosses are going to be put to the test much more than traditional RVs and that was why we made sure to disclose early in the video that these coaches get 80000 miles a year put on them. that was actually a late part of the conversation but I edited it to the beginning of the video because I thought it was important. I'm still a member of Prevost community so will try to learn as much as possible in that group. These Prevost coaches are truly meant to run a million miles and most of those sitting around RV parks will never reach half of that. They really are a machine that is built for a purpose. What year and converter is your coach? Where are you located? I would be happy to interview you if we ever cross paths
RVing with Andrew Steele The guy who banned you from the provost group must be real ugly pathetic little loser, an insecure, jealous little freak, and obviously will never succeed in any job that holds real power, thus why your being outcasted, it’s making the loser feel soooo important.....that is in my opinion. Because your not the type of guy to be deserving that kind of unfair treatment. Cheers🍻
RVing with Andrew Steele I am in the Greenville, SC area. I probably would not be worth the interview time, but I know a retired Major for
The Air Force that is on his second Prevost, 2006 Marathon I believe. He is a class act and travels quite a bit with his full family.
You come to this part of the country you are welcome to visit and chat. My Prevost nothing to brag about but it sure nice to have.
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No wonder he thinks there the best coach,Kyle has a car park full off them to fix...It looks like it’s money in the bank for him.
It’s like throwing money on fire,I would not buy a pravo bus.I would sooner invest the money on beer and hookers lol
Money Pit, worst than a Boat! 2 money hole pits! Ridiculously overpriced!
Everything can be a money pit including a spouse, but without risk there is no reward!
You get what you pay for, there is a reason these buses can go a million miles!
@@RVingwithAndrewSteele yes its easy to say a million miles, i have 966k on my volvo but my point is your tiffen or a ford escort can go a million miles but it costs for every mile and it gets to a point that to push a escort, my volvo , my Newmar or even a Prevost to 1million miles starts to not be cost effective- i know where Prevost buses go to die with under a million OR where they sell to the next guy who says he can convert it and keep it going but it aint cost effective for a bus company to keep them to keep putting on the miles that they do each year, to convert one and then to drive it few thousand miles a year is fine.
Overpriced money pits
WTF WITH THE CA CHIING SLOT MACHINE SOUND. ANNOYING AS FAK