Matt Dillahunty - Debating Theists
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Matt Dillahunty delivers his presentation at Zeteticon 2014, in Fargo, ND. Zeteticon was hosted by Great Plains Atheists. To learn more or become a member, please visit www.greatplainsatheists.org
I am lucky to live in a Country where non-believers are now outnumbering the believer according to the last census
+Shane Simpson remember most believers are not fundamentalists and there are many people on the fence as well. it's better than you think!
2016
Australian Census! Non Religious now out number Religious
where?
BUT LITTLE FK FACE MATT THINKS THE ERARTH IS A FKIN BALL
To be uncertain is uncomfortable. To be certain is ridiculous.
@Heelcather hahaha!!😂
Caveat: Unless You're Right
God. Damnit Matt. Just when I thought I couldn't admire you any more... Bookmarked, I'll be sure to listen to all of this again, some time in the future, to make sure this sticks in my mind like glue. Thank you Matt, sincerelly, for making this world a better place
Matt's bit about the sermons reminds me: when I was a young kid I attended a religious school that at one point required us all to give a sermon. I had been assigned a section to work from and merely made it up as I went along and got a fantastic grade by winging it. If a small child can fake it..
You're brain reward system triggers euphoric, electrochemical reactions when you think you've come up with a correct answer. The more crafty you think you are, the more reward you get.
Thank God for happiness
I so appreciate Mr. Dillahunty's efforts to assert reason over faith. This is an ongoing and often thankless job, especially in America. His patience with the expounders of faith based claims often strikes me as amazingly measured.
We who value what is demonstrably true over belief based claims are often tempted to dismiss them as willfully ignorant rather than intelligent people burdened with inculcated belief. I do think that ridicule and sarcasm has value, however it rarely can cause a shift in an apologist of any particular religious position.
Thanks Matt.
Well said.
Mr. Dillahunty's efforts to assert reason over faith? Do they even know what faith is? Matt should explain that biblical concept FIRST in his lectures, most atheist STILL haven't a clue.
David Henry He's addressed it many times. How does the biblical explanation of faith differ from everyone's general understanding?
David Henry Faith is the ignorant action of believing in something with NO evidence - i.e., Gullibility!
Tom West ignorant action? I disagree with that statement, why? First of all, what is it? "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." - Henbrews 11:1
Is it blind luck or magic? No.... How do you receive it? "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ." - Romans 10:17
Miracles by FAITH can happen in our lives if we listen and act upon the word of God. Example: When Jesus was seen walking on water at 3 o'clock in the morning. Peter asked if he could walk out to him, all Jesus said was 'come' and Peter walked on water. I believe many people will need daily miracles over the next few years. Build your faith by reading the bible, praying and act upon his word.
"Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water. And He said, "Come!" And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus." - Matthew 14:28-29
Admitting ignorance is always more productive and honest than pretending to possess knowledge and understanding you do not have.
I'm looking forward to joining Great Plains Atheist in the near future! I wish I knew about the group before, I would have loved Zeteticon. I'll definitely see these speakers the next time they come to town.
If you liked Matt Dillahunty's performance here then be sure to catch him on the broadcast show The Atheist Experience.
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Great Matt, as always! Unimpeachably brilliant!
"Religion convinces you that you are poisoned and then offers you the homeopathic 'cure'." Brilliant.
reply to: the Atheist Guard:
Could the atheist be viewed in the same fashion?
What is percieved as brilliant by one, can be interpreted as hypocritical by another.
Perhaps the true measure of value is not so much in the debate, but of the progress.
marshalllhiepler No the atheist could most certainly not be viewed in the same fashion. Atheism does not convince people of anything. It also does not offer any kind of "cure" or solution.
reply to: Logical Thinker:
Perhaps we can see it from your perspective, because we choose to.
However, many less logical thinkers choose differently. I have exchanged thoughts with a few self-proclaimed athiests, who's spiritual perspective revolved around denying the existence of God. Thus, if God truly did not exist, they would have no foundation for their beliefs.
They seemed to embrace their God-given free will to actively deny Him, without realizing the subtle irony of their chosen position.
marshalllhiepler 1st of all I do not accept the concept of "god given free will". It does not logically follow that an all knowing omnipotent god gives its creation free will. However I understand we will never agree on this. The problem I see with your statement is your attributing of a small number of comments from strong athiests. Try to remember that all atheists are different. We do not follow a doctrine like a religion does. Of course some atheists do assert "there is no god" and to those atheists then maybe you could make an argument for your statement. However atheism itself is only the lack of belief in god and not the assertion that there is no god. What could be said is that religion (christianity specifically) claims we are all poisoned and the atheist refuses to accept we are poisoned without evidence that we are poisoned. Atheism offers no cure and doesn't even really offer an opinion.
Reply to: Logical Thinker
I agree that "all atheists are different". I have been aware of this during our conversation thus far. In my view, nothing is exactly the same as even similar things. Therefore, it could be said that similarity is inversely proportionate to depth of dissection. The Snickers bar advertising statement: "No matter how you slice it, it comes up peanuts." is based upon rather broad conditions. These conditions may have been commonly accepted in 1972, by the advertiser's targeted audience. But, with today's technologies, such as computer guided lasers, such whimsical statements are likely to be challenged.
While this concept can be applied to my perspectives, I remain inclined to suggest that my experience as a parent, supports the necessity of offering free will to one's "creation" for the purpose of allowing individuality, and the differences you speak of.
Again, the concept of free will is dependent upon "how you slice it". Suppose a parent's child is playing in the driveway in front of their house. How stifling it would be, to draw a chalk-line circle of a few feet diameter for the child to play within. That said, how irresponsible it would be on the other hand, to neglect to draw a "chalk-line" a few feet from the adjoining roadway, with a safety rule that prohibits the child from playing beyond it.
Bear with me a moment longer, while I further elaborate.
So, the poorly disciplined neighbor's child wanders up the driveway (from playing in the roadway) and asserts to the "obedient child": "If you play in the roadway, ye shall not surely die, for your parents doth know that in the day that you play in the roadway, your eyes will be opened, and you will become wise like them."
Some atheists are likely to assert that there are no parents. They simply don't exist.
However, as you propose, not all are of the same view. Since you are a Logical Thinker, you may accept that there must be parents somewhere. The question then becomes one of identifying truth. Are the parents to be trusted? Is the child justified, if he feels oppressed by the rules created by the parents? If the child is struck by a vehicle while disobeying his parents, and summarily agrees with their logic afterwards, is this an acceptable method of learning in the eyes of the parents?
How far would you like to dissect this? Is it not logical that the seemingly endless road of dissection would ultimately lead to agreement with the parent's perspective, once the child's need for defiance has run its course?
Extremely important and informative.
Part of the problem is that in many cases merely speaking contrary to someone is seen as hostile regardless of your intent.
reply to: Penningtontj :
The bible teaches how to present a contrary belief in a non-offensive manner. However, if the listener is offended by truth; they will be truly offended.
and then I say they need to grow up? I might ask if they believe in the Easter Bunny!
Yes, it is risky in relationships, but then it should be risky for them, as they are wrong, IMHO, which should not be too H!
Yes, so be fearless, like you were speaking to a child, with compassion for the emotional difficulty of realizing that there is no heaven.
I think that's a natural psychological response. But there are alternatives.
His Pascal's Wager Video was the best video I have ever seen on that subject.
Matt Dillahunty is one of my role models.
thats just sad
Anthony Curtis I don't know what you mean. He's extremely intelligent and wonderful at arguing against theists about their beliefs.
not necessarily he might be to you but honestly he does not really correctly get to the point he is trying to convey, and making someone watch the hole video before stating that he was trying to say is really annoying.
Anthony Curtis I don't know why you would think that. In this video he explained himself very well and always got to the point. What did you wait the whole video for? He brought up several points.
This isn't a debate, but I know from listening to Matt argue against many theists about their beliefs, particularly about the content of the Bible, that he does so extremely well; sometimes his arguments might take a while to explain, but what he says is still relevant.
Back to your first reply, why do you think it's sad Matt Dillahunty is one of my role models?
Krakolio To me he's a roll model! Sweet rolls, buttered rolls, poppy seed rolls, dinner rolls and more.
Awesome Vid!
Dear Zeteticon 2014,
In the future, please record using the mic the speaker is using to talk and/or invest in a better mic!
Thanks!
The analogy of god being a mafia boss is outstanding!!! And the absolute truth....if there is a christian god which I don’t believe there is..it is surely a godfather type thing...
Or you are a victim of anthropomorphism
@@joehinojosa8314 anthropomorphism has no victims, i think you mighthave a misunderstanding of the word.
What do you think anthropomorphism is?
@@allistairkumaran3582 Thanks Kumaran. In this situation I think human minds must employ mental constructs or types ,familiar to each other,to attempt to DESCRIBE a Being that is immaterial and infinite in characteristics: A "mafia Godfather" in this instance.
@@joehinojosa8314what does immaterial and infanit in characteristics mean? And wouldn't calling "it" a "being" be an anthropomorphic term?
@@adumberfling9959 Acceptable questions. "Immaterial "means "NOT Physical". "Infinite characteristics" means the theoretical "God" has unlimited attributes like" all knowing,all powerful,present Everywhere,always EXISTING". Since we attribute personality to this theoretical "God," we accept using Personal Pronouns as a referent to,dare I SAY IT,"Him"? Other objects are Sometimes "personified". For example if you see a pristine 57 Chevy, you MIGHT comment "SHE sure is a cherry". You DONT Mean a Chevy is a male or female though.
*_Why does nobody ever call WLC out on his duties/values trick?!_*
When talking about *"objective morality"*, WLC uses his _duties/values trick_ as a way of shifting his definition of the word _objective_. If objective is used as a noun, meaning a "goal", we are only talking about moral _values_. If objective is used as an adjective, meaning "independent of human experience" we are only talking about moral _duties_. So, when he starts to get beaten down on one of these two fronts, he actually changes the subject by passing from one definition to the other , and _gets away with it!_ I have never seen a debate where his opponent points this out.
sophists can be clever
Good one - very good.
Right on Matt. As usual
You know what else, aside from the holy spirit, gives you those feelings? Oxycontin. And you can take Oxycontin without believing in fairy tales. Oxycontin > Jesus
+Bobby Duckett... Talk to your preacher before taking the holy spirit. Some side effects include headaches, hallucinations of angels/demons, hearing voices(from God/Jesus), feeling persecuted about being Christian, having the need to control the sex lives of everyone around them, not wanting to do your job based on religious convictions, projectile vomiting, spinning your head 360 degrees, uncontrolled urination. You should probably seek medical attention, but if taking the holy spirit, you'll most likely pray away your problems.
lmao!!! You sir, deserve an ice cold beer or a nice fat joint!
I hoped you were talking about oxytocin, a naturally occuring orthomolecular substance. Opiate drugs are quite potentially harmful!
Bobby Duckett AND THEN, if addicted to OXYCONTIN, the religious LOVE WHEN ADDICTS GET SOBER & ATTRIBUTE SUCH TO JESUS (or whatever God)... but then, if addict “falls” it’s conveniently stated that the addict “didn’t have enough faith, or did it ‘wrong’ to begin with, or didn’t have ‘proper understanding’ of scriptures or God, or ... blah blah ad Infinitum...” Addicts can’t even admit to cravings while sober, for fear of the church community judging him/her! It’s a HORRIBLE way to live for a struggling addict, and a horrible thing to do to anyone that needs help but can’t ask for it bc they fear condemnation!
Also, At end of lecture, #MattDillahunty mentions harm of religion & that #1 reason theists vote on is “does candidate claim 2b ANTI-ABORTION DESPITE HOW BAD THEY R;they’ll vote for them!How prescient when yrs later #TRUMP is President! It’s not even “too much” when trump admits(even brags) ON RECORDING that he regularly sexually assaults women whenever he feels like it, by grabbing their p*ssy, kissing them by force, or whatever! Even that is acceptable as long as he says (whether he believes it or not) that he believes in “Godly” position that the US COURTS (in our SUPPOSEDLY SECULAR GOVT) should make rulings that make abortion illegal & that HE WILL APPOINT JUDGES ACCORDINGLY! All else is easily dismissible as “who among us hasn’t sinned”... which is INSANE as a reason to accept that which SHOULD B UNACCEPTABLE!
Nothing is funner than listening to a room full of supposedly holy people try their best to justify acts of slavery, infanticide, genocide, and bigotry. The mental gymnastics are impressive.
+Bobby Duckett It iseven Funner for you to prve those acts. were caused just by a God who just wants to throw around his power. I take it, you have no problem with Homosexual gang rape, and people who acrifice their children yo some pagan god, or that children should be temple prostitutes. I guess, you also feel that it is fine for someone can get away with not paying their debts . That is something today that helps us to fuel our recessions .Bankrupcy has not been around for too long. They used yo put people I a debtors prison. Infanticide? What about all of the abortions. I am sure that they are much worse than the infanticide, and you have no idea what happens to these babies killed, Maybe they are granted eternal life. This world has never been so screwed up. Politicians who can not longer compromise More, and more teachers engaging in sex with minor children. Mass shootings happening every 2 weeks How old are you 16? 19? You will on for quite a shock, soon
What in the SHIT are you talking about? I am 25 years old, and my comment was merely an observation on Christians trying to justify the atrocities committed in the Bible.
Are you asking if I believe abortion is infanticide? No, I do not. Because, by definition, fetuses are NOT infants, or children. Infanticide refers to one murdering their own children. And the age doesn't matter, so long as that child has been born. So you're remark here is stupid in multiple ways, Way to go.
Are you asking if I think that ONLY Christianity is a crock of horse shit who's negative effects far outweigh the positive effects? Nope. Every religion ever invented is EQUALLY as absurd, EQUALLY as wrong, and EQUALLY as harmful to the world as a whole. I don't play favorites. I am an atheist. That doesn't mean I don't believe in the Christian god. It means that I believe in NO God, or gods.
There is no reason to think there is an after life.EVERYTHING we are is in our brain. Out entire personality, our entire consciousness is reliant upon the brain. When the brain stops functioning, EVERYTHING about you just stops. It is very similar to the billions of years BEFORE you were born.
Though, I cannot figure out if you agree with me, or what the fuck your point is here. Do you think that I was mocking only a specific religion, or are you defending the specific religion I just happened to have named in my original comment? I used Christianity as the example simply because that was the God discussed in the fucking video. So, again, what the fuck are you on about, you simple cunt?
+Bobby Duckett Was the world wrong to stand up against Hitler in world war 2? Man is basically evilIt shows up every dse
+Bobby Duckett /also, fetuses are living things, It is worse than infanticide. the woman can abstain from sex if they do not want children. I follow the Bible, but I am not a Cristian. I do not believe in Christmas, which I am sure that you do celebrate. That is called being hypocritical . Jesus will be back within a quarter century, If you survive to that time,
More lying by a lying Christer. But "lying Christer" is redundant.
Before you watch another video involving Mr. Dillahunty, watch this video:
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Simply boils down to that guy doesn't understand sufficiency when it comes to evidence. Now to be fair Matt did a poor job of defining evidence but for the same reason eye witness testimony of aliens isn't good enough for that claim, the writings that supposedly people testified that the supernatural occured isn't good enough for that claim.
@@giardaphslaw5572 The real truth is that a person who claims to be an atheist will always refuse any evidence because it will never fit their definition of evidence. Even if God would come to them personally, they would claim that they were hallucinating, and sluff it off as invalid. Incidentally, an atheist really should make more modest claims in the first place, instead of going around claiming that God does not exist, because they have no evidence or proof of that claim. They ought to make more modest claims, as in admitting that they are agnostics, since that is at least honest.
The other point I would make is that there are many more people who consider that there IS much evidence for God's existence, against what atheist fail to accept. In regard to the law of non-contradiction, both viewpoints cannot be right. I will adhere to the position that makes the most logical sense - that there is much more evidence for the existence of God than no evidence that he does not exist. Oh, and emotional appeals against his non-existence do not apply. For example, the laws of physics negatively impact (literally and figuratively) a great deal of people, and crying about their effects does not invalidate their existence; like getting mad at the law of gravity when I fall and break a bone - does not make a good argument that gravity does not exist just because I don't like it.
@@WienArtist First of all if a god were to personally reveal himself to me and was able to prove it was actually a god, for instant create something tangible that I could keep, I would then believe that god exists obviously.
Secondly agnostics are atheists, I'm an agnostic atheist. Like you've just pushed against gnostic atheism and in the same way I think any gnostic theists are dishonest.
There either is a god/gods or there is not, what I'm saying is either position hasn't been proven so I withhold belief. You seem to be saying 'well lots of people believe there is a god so that must be true.'
I don't see how emotional appeals against a god's existence apply but ok.
Finally I want to mention that at one point people vbelieved the weather was directly caused by gods. Does this mean we should believe the weather is caused by gods? I don't think so. Like anything we investigate scientifically is based on real evidence, anything I've seen theists explain with god is based on ignorance. (Like the weather, natural disasters or how life started and how this universe came into existence.)
@@WienArtist Also you kept saying many people 'consider' there is much evidence for a god's existence. Could you maybe provide such evidence instead of pointing to people who think they have evidence?
Keep in mind we don't have to prove that a god doesn't exist to NOT believe it does exist. We would have to prove he doesn't exist to believe it does NOT exist. If you can understand that then you'd stop with this 'well we have some evidence it does exist and no evidence to show it doesn't exist'. Like I don't need to give evidence to not believe centaurs exist.
TLDW: 'Wahhh i just want to assert things without evidence and not be told that my reasoning is fallacious! Matt Dillahunty stopped me!! Matt is devil confirmed???'
So good.
one of my role models.
+Andrew Tessler
Almost like a priest or prophet
+vicachcoup no, thats a big difference. You can see a person as rolemodel for the way they think. When you "Follow" a pries or prophet, you follow a position, and not the person. Also to follow, is totally different from having a rolemodel.
pleasebringmeback
Prophets and priests are role models too. Same difference perhaps.
+vicachcoup he already gave you the distinction (liking particular ideas of a person versus just accepting one's ideas because you think they are an authority). there is a difference
+vicachcoup No, a role model is different than a priest or prophet.
Prophets generally claim divine guidance, and priests tend to follow such 'divine guidance'.
Matt, on the other hand, doesn't. He's a public speaker, and a fairly good one.
religion wont go away. it makes manipulating huge populations too easy. it's in the interest of the powerful to keep religion where it is.
propaganda is to democracy what violence is to a dictatorship. the easiest and most useful form of propaganda is religion, especially in the US, where historically it's been used as the catalyst to mobilize the conservative base. it's here to stay gents.
I like religion because it's easier to control people.
I will tell you the truth. God is not love, he is love and wrath. It is he that controls our beliefs. The damned are blinded to the truth. The Bible is not an offer or an invitation, it is a notice to those whom he saves so they know what is happening. It is only by God's mercy that you could ever truly believe in Jesus. Your lack of remorse after wronging others keeps you ineligible for mercy.
Your scoffing and stupidity is evidence to support the Bible's claim that you are supernaturally stupefied.
This comment was not nice, but it was truth.
So....? Seriously?
Ryan Neitzel
Not in my house.
Many regimes decide to replace religion as the solitary ruler. "Faith and force destroyers of the modern world!
Excellent, the sound was not good tho, I could understand mostly all but they should plug a audio cable to the camera, from the mic or from the control console.
@4:54 you see how the image improves a lot, something is wrong with the camera and the blue screen, a shame that ruined the video.
Does anyone know where it says Jesus says he is not going to bring peace to the world, or something like that?
its called google
His point of not "Naming" Logical fallacies is excellent. Explain the problem in the logic. Show the eorror rather than referring to its pigeon hole. Keep the message as engaging as possible.
+Oscar Goldman yes, good point. if you name the fallacy it kinda makes someone think that you are calling them stupid in a way.
Well technically you are, if they want to take it personally I guess :)
especially the "argument from ignorance" which theists so often use, and which they bristle with indignation when it is named.
even when they are
Q: Why can't Matt Dillahunty solve exponential equations?
A: Because he doesn't believe in higher powers.
Truth is Hate to Those Who Hate the Truth! Brilliant!!
Truth is Hate to Those Who Hate the Truth! Boom
Ironically I would still rather Matt attempting those equations over chritans...
Truth is Hate to Those Who Hate the Truth! - high brow humour !
Your joke is tasteless
wheres the debate?
God probably screwed with the audio on this video. there is your evidence! lol but really i wish I could hear him more clearly.
I totally disagree with the premise that we (Atheists) should not be mean to Theists... Anyone who thinks they have the right to tell me what to do, how to live my life, or teach my children their religious BS in school, do not deserve to be treated with respect --- If they do not want to be attacked, then they should keep their nonsense to themselves.
+Biker Tramp Agree. I cannot respect theist opinions on theism but in many other respects they are worthy of my respect - like anyone who is otherwise rational.
David Renwick
Anyone who uses their personal religious beliefs to control the lives of other human beings deserves no respect in my book...
Like I said, they can believe what they choose, but don't use your dogma as an excuse to interfere with my life...
+Biker Tramp
I think it depends on the context. If you are debating with someone being nice to you, you can be nice to them as a person and focus on the issues with their argument. We have all been misinformed about something some way or another and everyone has the chance of becoming informed. If they are willing to debate with you, perhaps they do want to become better informed. If they use their religion to be a total jerk, then that's a different story and the dynamic of the conversation changes. If they advocate for things like slavery or religious supremacy I totally get where you are coming from.
I agree 100%. They can keep they're little delusions to themselves!!!!!
***** --- You have a point...
Jesus loves me , this I know , because the bible tells me so . Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water . Let's hear you refute that . You can't , can you ?.
Stevo Devo , Lucky Jack, hope took precautions.
Where is the evidence of this Jack, and this Jill?
Yes you are relating to some impatient atheists. Respect your opponent, have compassion for them, SAVE them from religion!
if I go to www.greatplainsatheists.org it comes up with Japanese!!
ONE thing is for definite certain....top people are working endlessly to find ALL the TRUE answers...it is NOT that we don't know....it is that we don't know YET!
I'm hearing whispering while Matt is talking.. Or am I going nuts
depends, is the wispering really there? Do you really doubt your sanity?
Its probably Jesus.
16:27 Ahhh!
So Christians can't agree on their sabbath, date of their saviors birth, date of his death, and most of the recorded quotes from the son of their god. When you can't get your own house in order, don't expect anyone else to agree with you!
Atheism is the way brother. Embrace the faith of a universe without gods, freedom, wealth and life with fear of nothing will be yours!
+The New Atheist Damn right!
Garrow same with the catholic problem they have one hell of a back yard to clean up and probably never will manage to do it because it is all phoney so until their followers smarten up nothing will change
People want something higher than themselves they want hope that there is something bigger than themselves taking place in the universe. It's easy to pray it's easy to trust that god will take care of everything...it's just easy. it's easy to use god as a crutch when you dont know all the answers.....but then once you're really get into a church life then you start experiencing all the politics...haven't you notice in Roman catholic churches only the priest and clergy members deal with church stuff and the thousands of people in the congregation are kept in the dark...however in a protestant small church everyone knows everyone...everyone knows politics etc etc
Preach it Matt...preach it.
Just to head off some of the responses, this is from an Atheist:
"Yes. A few atheists proselytize directly, e.i. some variation on "You should give up your irrational belief in a god and become atheist. It's the only rational position." (I wish they wouldn't do this, but they do.)
Many, if not most atheist proselytize indirectly by answering questions about atheists and religion and explaining what atheists and atheism are all about.
Our mission statement is:
We support freethinkers, nonbelievers, doubters, skeptics, the undecided, and the children of theists, and let them know they are not alone. Therefore, we correct mistaken ideas about atheism and counter myth with reality, dogma with reason, superstition with science, sophistry with logic, ignorance with fact, and rudeness with unfailing politeness."
Matt makes a good point about us all going into debates biased.
It often surprises me how often youtube debates between religious people and atheists are titled stuff like "x completely crushes y" or "y gets utterly humiliated by x", when in reality, it's balanced debates. Both believers and atheists do that all the time.and it's usually not true in either case.
Then the commenters will say "what are you talking about? y made an incredible point, he dominated x all the way". I catch myself accepting atheist arguments without any research while being very critical towards theist claims, and I guess everyone else does so too
I've noticed that while hyperbolic titles on the internet are not unique, the ones posted regarding atheists debating theists that use such hyperbolic titles are very often posted by one person- Yon Choi. I think someone has discovered a way to get a lot of views!
Maple Leaf true, but yon choi is doing that for laughs. After all, he calls wlc a world-class opera singer in one title, if I remember correctly. That can't be serious.
it's partly because we all have different underlying "core" beliefs. for example, some people really do believe, at their core, in authority above all (basically argumentum ad baculum, like Matt mentioned). God can kick my ass, so I'll believe there are 5 lights when there are really 4, and I'm right for doing so.
if you argue with a theist long enough you will generally get to a point where you need to appeal to their honesty. they will have to decide between honesty and religion; unfortunately they generally choose religion. getting them to contemplate that they may in fact be being dishonest is usually the best you can do. we value honesty so much, and that is one reason why we are atheists. they have no such belief at their core.
*****
The way the religious sometimes use the word "belief" confounds me. I can't choose to believe things or not believe them. Sometimes I wonder if it really is possible for them to choose their beliefs voluntarily.
+Sercil yes, because 'convincingness' is a psychological thing
Why mention Ray Comfort? It gives him illegitimacy as a rational human being.
If this is a debate, where is the other side's presentation?
This was a lesson in debating theists from the atheists perspective and not a debate. It answers the questions of how one should prepare and conduct oneself in a debate.
You watched for nearly an hour and didn't figure it out that this was about debating, rather than an actual debate?
narco73
First, check the heading for this vedio.
And, I don't think I have to watch it for 1 hr.
Rajn D Yes, check the heading, it quite clearly says "Matt Dillahunty - Debating Theists", it doesn't say "Matt Dillahunty Debating Theists"
Don't worry, I can see why you misunderstood and I didn't expect that you'd watched the video.
Oh yeah, everyone can see it clearly.
You are a great communicator, with honesty.
I have come to the conclussion that as long as religion states its beliefs as beliefs , I am fine with them .. Its when they start defining their beliefs as knowledge that I take umbrage .
He's talking about debati theists not actually debating them. And it's the same speech he always uses.
My cat is atheist!
I disagree with advising people to stay away from bringing up the names of types of arguments or fallacies. Sure, like Matt says, if you don't know what you are talking about, then obviously you shouldn't bring them up. However, I think they should be brought up, or the option at least considered on a "case by case" basis. If you deem that it will just be a waste of time, well then that's up to you. But when you get into debates with people in a common situation (bar, work, etc), it may be the usual case that people don't know about these concepts. They know them as thoughts, but not as categorized, labeled arguments. This is an opportunity for them to learn. If you point out the label, and then explain to them the issue with the argument, you can also explain how these arguments are utilized. It's an opportunity to improve communication, by clarifying definitions of terms. I see no problem with this. It also points out the commonality of the arguments, and shows that these aren't original, or unique concepts, which some people think. Also, they now have the name of the argument, so they can look it up later and get more information about it.
Why can any of these events get good audio? Why are you recording sound from the room rather than the mic! So freaking annoying.
***** It's because the vast majority of these kinds of talks or debated do not have decent sound. Plus, I don't watch, but listen and can't tell what the heck the speaker is saying.
IMO, In the context of any religion, faith is the opposite of knowledge.
Does that include the faith in the Dogma "All men are created equal"?
If you want to debate religious people, ask them "Why their god". Their responses are repetitive, "because the bible says so", "because god said so", "because I believe..", "because I feel.."
Unfortunately all these responses are claimed by all religions, "My god(s) said so" "My book says so" "I talk to god(s)" "I feel this" or "I believe this"... etc.
They do NOT think critically, they shift into emotion/preaching mode.
marker 10:50 to 11 minute mark roughly
yes matt words do have meaning
otherwise langauge has no value
we just make it up as we go along
Tim Welch I think you missed his point. What he means is that words don't have any inherent meaning by themselves.
perhaps you are right Crimson but still if we mess around with the words too much it causes way too mmuch confusion and nothing ever gets accomplished
if i decide to change the defnition of certain words to fit my way of thinking i would get called out on it
Tim Welch I totally agree. Words have to have an agreed upon meaning or they're useless. Matt was just referring to the preachers he was talking to. They thought that words have some kind of magical inherent meaning separate from the meaning we give them; which really doesn't make sense considering how much languages change over time.
true
He said words have usages. I think maybe You are using the word meaning as to be synonymous with usage. In addition, things can have no meaning and still be useful... A wheel has use but can have no meaning...it just is
I want to debate this guy so badly. I called the hotline for Atheist experience, but there wasn't any answer or automated response.
+imbluz It isn't a hotline, back when you posted this it was going to a Cable Access studio and AE was only at the phone for about an hour a week.
But by all means, now they are broadcasting over the Internet on Sundays, feel free to call in now during the show.
not much debating here.. the video should be titled: Matt Dillahunty delivers his presentation at Zeteticon 2014.. i mean..comon.. how hard is it to pick a proper title??
*****
:D My bad.. although I still hang on to my position that the title could have been more precise.
oh happy day, when atheists will learn to produce videos with acceptable audio qualiy !!
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Neither of these people have any school, yet here they arte acting like the top authorities, That is the wonder of this great science where nobodies become great authorities
Because arguments from authority are logical fallacies. You aren't right because you have authority, you are right because your claim has been tested and has evidence for it's truth.
If youare giving lessons on how to debate Thiests, how would you address the Bible's claim that God stupefies the damned to keep them from the truth?
First we'd ask you to give us a reason to accept what the Bible claims, because if you can't do that then what the Bible claims doesn't really matter much.
Then, we'd ask you to resolve the apparent contradiction between the idea that God wants us to believe and be saved, and the idea that God deliberately prevents some people from being able to believe...which in turn prevents them from being saved. The two concepts are in conflict.
yes, with phrases like "lean not upon your own understanding", "God works in mysterious ways", and "The knowledge of good and evil" as evil itself! WOW it is evil to try to KNOW the difference between good and evil??
Religion isn't necessarily bad, its a way to live, and a moral to go by. It is a kind of motivation, or something to make people feel they are doing something, devoting their lives. Now that is human nature, and it is a good thing to have a way to live, but religion doesn't have to be that. An atheist could have a religion. not necessarily in a higher being, or God, but a way to live by. Now devoting your life, to something you cant explain, to something with no real evidence, denying things with scientific evidence, and other things literally with the same general moral, same type of beliefs, just different specific things, just because you are reluctant and close minded isn't too good. Now you cant just make religion go away, for it is human nature to make religion, believe in their religions, and to have explanations for things like these. Personally, I amn't (a new proper conjunction, and a proper way to say aint I decided to start using, because why not) sure about whether there is a higher being or not, so for now I like to consider myself an atheist, but am very open minded. I believe even as an atheist, you can have a religion of sorts, but just as a way to live by, and how I should generally live, for example I should do as many good deeds, as I comfort can, without it intervening with more important business, I believe I shouldn't harm others, unless its important for my, or someone else's safety. Just other basic guidelines that could be labeled as a religion of sorts. Even the eleven satanic principals of the world (or something along the lines of that) actually have some pretty good things to live by, that could comfortably make you a decent human being. I actually have been looking in religions, and have found Zoroastrianism very nice, and pure, especially me being a naïve Iranian/Persian twelve year old, just trying to explore the world and beliefs, ill probably just pass through this phase like my mom says. Now my point probably isn't very good, but this is human nature, and its still good to have things that you would want to live by, but not be chained down by, and solely devote my life, and live everything by that. And I am'nt (see I used it again and it works) some edgy middle school Satanist, I just wanna explore, but not make too many big decisions early in life, rather than learn and make a decision later on when I have more knowledge and wisdom like my dad.
It is clear that whoever wrote the bible had no problem with slavery . That should tell you something . That's right , God , if He exists , certainly didn't write it or have any hand in it . Because God , being good, just and merciful would have absolutely condemned slavery without a second thought . Something not quite right here .
Yes, you are right! This is a CLEAR demonstration that morals do NOT come from the christian bible, not even in the new testament!
and the reply "Oh that was in the OLD testament", is countered by ref to Matthew 5:18 refer them then to Exodus 21. Also Lev 12:16, and many others. If you throw grace into the mix them you can even beat a slave so severely that he/she does die within the two days, and have Jesus remove your "sin" from your "soul"
For me its easy. When people don't has travel around the world, living with other cultures and believes, they never can decide if that culture is right or wrong. They are brain washed from being a child and have no chance to make up their minds when they older. I am traveling, let say a very long time around the world, adjust to many cultures and believes. I had to do that, don't take me wrong, it was not always easy. But i have to take work to make my money. I am not a professor, but i know my job and was always looking the bright side off life. You learn a lot by that, because you see the real life there. Was sometimes very dangerous, but its on a Dutch highway also, or walking on a market in Shanghai or in Cape Town. Its not important. Live is a risk. Believe in a God many think is safe. Right, tell that the jungle tribes in the Amazon. They have their own believes, and no Pope or Imam can chance that. They live with nature, like we did all before. Dubai? Is a Muslim city, small ok, but with big oil money. So what? That's not the nature they grew up with! Who cares about the highest building in the world in a dessert state with oil money today? Great what the architects were making, all credits, but its not at all important! In Dubai they still have the Sharia, that Muslim old fashion law is killing people, make slavery possible with corrupt Indian consulting companies. That's a crime and modern slavery, point blank.
Holy shit !!!!! Over eight THOUSAND views and NINETY thumbs up !! Honey Boo Boo Child look out.
So what...NBC took a vote...85% of America has decided we are a Christian Nation. 15 % is the minority. Dont accept it and go move to the Middle East
***** Many people say many things about America. We're crazy about sports too and people are known too just go along with popularity. Christians are well practiced at being two faced trying to make sense of nonsensicle bronze age borrowed religions.
***** That's an arumentum ad populum fallacy :)
Colin Munzlinger
He wants to call us idiots for believing religions.pewforum.org/reports
Sorry.... Im not a genius,but Im not stupid. I have a 124 IQ...6 short of genius and I still believe God exists.Pretty sure Im not the only one in that 80% that are also intellectually capable of figuring out that if you arent physically able to fly out into space and prove everything you assume to be true, based on what other humans here tell you,then you are pretty much the idiot. When a Superior being leaves writings and asks you to believe there is a higher power than you and he created you, then you damn well better pay attention. If you think you are the superior and that there is nothing greater, you better get ready for a rude awakening.
I only see him refuting Christianity, which is very easy.
帥哥 ...@ 3:35 "....truth, critical thinking, skepticism and a rational evidence based world view" with this in mind christianity, islam, hinduism and any other mythological based religion in the world can and has been and will continually be refuted. christianity is not the only easily refuted myth.
Why can't atheist speakers speak like preachers? s long as what you say is not intended to be deceitful, then there is nothing wrong with it!
At first, slavery was one of main points why I disagreed with a bible, now I am starting to view slavery as good. Not slavery as in "You are my property" but along the lines of forced, unpaid workforce. And it would only be applied to prisons where it is clear that criminals are only subjects. Let's be truthful, prisons don't rehabilitate people, rather than using tax money to support them, why not use them as physical laborers.
Also, churches without any decorations are not a minus for me. if they aren't asking for money, then I would trust them more knowing that this church doesn't care about money or looking fancy like ALL OF THE OTHER CHURCHES.
Depends which type of slavery you're talking about. There are rules for Hebrew slaves that is more like indentured servitude. Then there are rules for non-Hebrew slaves, such rules as how much you can beat them and how you can pass on these slaves as property for your children to inherit... (Exodus 21; 20 and 21 has the beating slaves part).
@@giardaphslaw5572 Just unpaid workforce. Nothing more.
@@dariusnoname12 That's the indentured servants which the bible mentions. But the bible also mentions a worse form of slavery, including the beating of slaves...
@@dariusnoname12 Any update on biblical slavery? Hopefully you've seen the verses that talk about beating slaves as they are your property, the ones your kin can inherit and such? (The non-Hebrew ones of course).
@@giardaphslaw5572 oh that type of slavery is of course bad. Beating to the inch of your life is bad. Or passing them to your children. I am against that.
I'm terribly confused... if God is nonexistent, why debate it? I mean, I don't believe in aliens, Santa Claus, Unicorns, fairies, love, or the concept of fairness. However, if someone else chooses to believe in something I am sure doesn't exist I smile, shake my head & kinda feel sorry for them. ( Life is too short to waste). It takes a certain type of insanity to debate an insane individual.
Agnostics and Atheist know how to stop the pain created by being a slave to the natural inclination to believe in the supernatural.
It's like children scaring each other by turning their backs to a mirror with the light off and saying "Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary". A Theist would say "just don't say it three times". An atheist would say "No one who has said it three times was murdered, there is no evidence anything will happen and we can prove that nothing measurable actually HAS happened because here I am and I said it three times. There is no reason to be afraid".
Sure the Atheist would feel the hair stand up on the back of their neck and still feel dread when enacting said ritual, that's instinct not proof of a god. The human condition is complex and looks to find order in unordered subjects.
If a god didn't exist man would have invented him. That invention ALWAY requires a corruption of ones own free will, a dilution of reality, and a lack of basic reasoning. Some of us want, no only for ourselves but for everyone, to not be a slave to worthless instincts. Unlike evolution, superstition actually does make us closer to animals.
Well there aren't multi billion dollar alien evangalists are there?
Nobody is making pro alien textbooks to be used in public schools.
Nobody is making laws against not believing aliens exist.
Nobody stands on the street corner with a sign that says "aliens hate you"
Alien witnesses don't knock on your door every Monday afternoon.
Dylan McElveen you haven't met the scientologist have you? They are the alien people, they just wont admit it publicly.
Cam Ron lol... sooooo TRUE
Because of deluded folks who cause shit in the name of their imaginary friend.
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"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." Proverbs 18:2 (ESV) for YOUR reference. "teacher" of the law. Pharisees, yes those were their names.
Yup, that describes your average proselytizing Christer. Fools who take no pleasure in TRUE understanding, but only in spewing preachershit.
First, you must define "preachershit" or I can't understand what you're trying to say.
Everything you've posted is preachershit. All that flowery faux-Biblical language that you mimick from some shitpreacher.
+J M2064 I came to be who I am by disowning everything I was "taught" by men and growing as a child of God by Holy Spirit and the guidance of His Word. Preachers and Pastors I find are usually just beyond glorified Christians. That is the reality. They are like children in their thinking but not in the way they were wanted to be like children. They love their worldly wisdom so much that they have become satisfied.
So you had a psychotic episode.
I love hearing Matt speak but his description of a pastor's job is a bit skewed. I worked with several pastor's for about 25 years and they were the busiest people I ever met. If a pastor is doing it right...there is nothing easy about it.
It is possible you did not understand my comment. I simply said that Matt's description of a pastor's workload is not in line with the pastors I have been acquainted with.
Reverend Loran Helm, one of the greatest men I have ever met said in his book, A Voice In The Wilderness, "A pastor is called to the hardest work on earth. If they truly leave all and follow Christ, they will be reviled, hated and despised, ridiculed and face every manner of hardship. Only a few down through history has really left all to follow this still small voice".
I am completely aware that most who say they are pastors are not on this path. But the few who are have a heavy burden to bare. If you wish to sample a few pastors stories who left all for the cause of Christ....I would recommend you read a book called Fox's Book Of Martyrs. None of these people would fit into Matt's description.
Revelation does not consent doubt! (Act 1:3) to whom he also showed himself alive after his passion by many proofs, appearing unto them by the space of forty days, and speaking the things concerning the kingdom of God:
(Jas 1:6) But when you ask for something, you must have faith and not doubt. Anyone who doubts is like an ocean wave tossed around in a storm.
While i see your point, i do not think that you have to first believe something for the proof of that thing to present itself.
If i said "I just got a new dog!", you would probably just take my word, but if i were, say, super allergic to dogs, you would probably doubt me. If i then showed up the next day, with a dog, even if you didnt first have faith that i had a dog, the evidence has presented itself.
Now heres the thing: I am not an omnipotent being. I am not immortal. Every second i spend on earth is precious because there is nothing, no matter what i believe, that awaits me after death.
Why would an all-knowing, all-powerful being with an infinite amount of time on his hands require for us to believe in him, and THEN find proof that he exists? I mean, the Ancient Greeks have moved past such reasoning before they figured out how to forge anything with iron. Imagine that.
And if God created us specifically with the way we reason in mind, or, at least, he was guaranteed to know we would reason in this way, why would he fail to put forward sufficient proof that he exists? Its not like hes busy being God. All he does is put the virgin mary's face onto pieces of toast, and shape cheetos like Jesus. Whats stopping him from descending down in all his glory and saying "I AM GOD! THE CHRISTIAN GOD! THE GOD OF PRESLUTHERBYTERIAGELICALIST CHURCH OF LATTER-DAY WITNESS BAPTISTS! NO OTHER CHURCH IS TRUE!", and bada-bing bada-boom, your religion, and yours alone, is correct.
What we have, is an all-loving being spending his time creating children and babies in 3rd-world countries for the sole purpose of following the wrong religion and going to hell because he failed to create sufficient food.
Even if the Christian God of the KJV were real, the one true God, i would never bend a knee to him. It is for that reason, and for the reason of all that which he has done in the Bible, that he presents himself as a whiny, impotent, useless, powerless fuck-up.
Seriously: Read the KJV again, but every time God does something, think "What would _I_ do?" And by time the flood comes around, youd be an atheist.
@@Arlondev Remember: Before the fall Things weren't as they are today or al the time of th flood, SIN BROUGHT pain, as to God revealing himself, the bible is way good enough for me, so if a normal and common sinner like me could be convinced by the scriptures anyone can! (Luc 7:35) But wisdom is shown to be right by those who accept it."
(Rom 11:33) Who can measure the wealth and wisdom and knowledge of God? Who can understand his decisions or explain what he does?
(Rom 11:34) "Has anyone known the thoughts of the Lord or given him advice?
(Rom 11:35) Has anyone loaned something to the Lord that must be repaid?"
EXTRA EVIDENCE is on the way BUT then there will be no chance to escape BY FAITH the eternal torment in hell, the time is now in this life hope is available
(Flp 2:10) God did this so that every person will bow down to honor the name of Jesus. Everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the earth will bow.
(Flp 2:11) They will all confess, "Jesus Christ is Lord," and this will bring glory to God the Father.
DO IT TOO LATE, BUT NOT FOR ETERNAL LIFE
God bless you!
But he's not debating theists at all. :( He's only explaining how to debate them.
+Regina Freitag Hence the - between his name and the TITLE of this seminar
+Poeticriffraff er Hence the what?
hence the -
The dash
The title of this is "Debating atheists" which is what he talks about in this seminar.
ohh. hmm yes that might be.
+Regina Freitag Basic grammar, you failed! (yes, read that in a Yoda voice)
Praise IAmThatIAm has a chance to answer his own question. It is important. It is known. It is fundamental. He can look up the data on an objective moral statement that is available to everyone and stay with what he is told or learn the rest of the story. It only takes a few minutes to learn the answer to the claim of an objective moral standard? Fortunately no one has to be educated past a 3rd grad level to resolve that data.
But what of the risk? What happens to his family and friends and contacts if he asks and solves another question outside of that collective skill set? Will he be alone or have to start over in life socially?
Once you educate yourself past basics like the objective moral standard, simple as it is, will he (or she) be forced toward independent thought?
what's the point in not believing in god. you don't achieve less believeing in him you won't lose anything by going to church or praying
+Jamie Alcorn
You are wasting your time, you are being taught things to be wrong that may or may not be wrong (an example is homosexuality). You are accepting irrational beliefs for no good reason, which opens yourselves up to more irrational beliefs.
+Jamie Alcorn because I care about what is true
Well, except if Islam is true, or Hinduism is true. Those beliefs could just as easily be the correct ones. You might have chosen the wrong deity.
IF all Jesus ever was to you was a belief then you weren't a real Christian, you never experienced the sanctifying power of reconciliation with God.
Small problem. If a person sincerely believes that they have experienced the sanctifying power of reconciliation with God....how do they tell if they actually have or not?
You reveal your ignorance!
Neither have you. You just think you have because you grew up believing things like that.
Religion is a childish delusion! Reality is better!
It is SO easy to see the moment you are willing to!
Dillahunty's tactic is to say that he's waiting to find the correct answer. Of course, he lives the life he chooses to live while he waits. God is for people who want Him and are willing to seek Him.
Which god?
Don't fool yourself about seeking your god. It's not the search for truth that makes the fool, but to think that he found it.
Don't let him kid you. His intent was to become a televangelist, not just a Baptist Minister
yah 666 like = truth
666, 6+6+6=18, 1+8=9 The magic number which god probably made. 144000 going to heaven. 1+4+4+0+0+0=9 magic number again.
360 degrees in a circle, 3+6+0=9 magic number again which god might have made.
180 degrees in a semi-circle 1+8+0=9 magic number again...
90 degrees 9+0=9 magic number again
45 degrees 4+5=9 magic number again
22.5 degrees 2+2+5=9 magic number again.
God probably does exist after all, unless you can explain 9.
Even me being an atheist knows its obvious abortion is murder, murder for convenience, if not done for medical reasons (which is different). Part of being rational is accepting responsibility for your actions, Like having unprotected sex.
I am not going whataboutist, but shouldn't pregnancy resulting from rape authorized abortion? I mean, neither the father nor the state will take responsibility for this, so is it 'right' to force the responsibility on the victim ?
Also, children die from negligence from these parent, what point it make if it's killed before it able to understand it's going to die after a short life of misery ?
I like debate around these points, but like for everything, I think there should be a just middle path, a path of virtue (as described by philosophers)
It seems most atheists believe in God but they hate him because their puny minds don’t like who he is.
Lmao 😂😂
Yeah I sure hate Thor and Zeus and Allah and choose not to believe them...
ye you hate Zeus because you dont like who he is.
dont be silly
As an Atheist: I simply choose not to believe that which is either not evidently true, or evidently not true. Which every claim about any God is
Sanctimonious
The irony is that he is followed like a religious leader
Same difference
By your logic anyone that is popular and has fans is no different from a religious leader. I'm sure the people in this crowd won't just take his word for things, like religious leaders. They use their observations and experience to make sense of the world, not some book written thousands of years ago.
shippidge117
What makes you so sure . . . ?
+vicachcoup what makes you doubt what he said?
Peter L
I can't remember the talk a month later but I am well aware of Matt's argument.
I can't remember any particular arguments at the moment but I have heard him say much that I disagree with.
how was actually seeing and listening to someone on a stage be compared to an invisible man in the sky?
The TRICKS of the trade of atheist deception on display in this video
can you point them out? or can you only make a (frankly, hilarious) claim like that?
***** we can see GOD. confess that u are evil and watch GOD cleanse u of the evil that blind u
Johnny A
We'll confess that we're evil the moment your god confesses that he is evil. His evil deeds are written down for all to read. Unless of course those writings might not be true...
stiimuli Your evil is that u are in competition with the Creator. That is pure insanity and it is in everything u type.
lmao you deleted my comment? what happened to free speech, jesus freak? hmm?
I bet if Matt had a choice of starving to death, being killed in battle, orliving as a slave, I am sure that Matt would pick living as a slave, and the slavery that matt is talking about is this. With all of this tough talk about slavery, why the heck does he turn his head when it is happening in his own home base?? So, its ok in Austin, TX? Many of the prostitutes in Austin are slaves either in the form of pimps, or the world wide slave trafficking. They are brought into these places all of the time. The only normal clothes that they have are the ones that they wear when they move on to the next place.Their new owner, then hides them until it is time to move on. slavery is not a good thing for you to talk about, especially to me. Matt
It's a false dichotomy to say that the only options that the hebrews had at their disposal were killing or enslaving their neighbors. They had the choices to assimilate, ignore them, invite them to join, live somewhere else, or any number of other decisions that have nothing to do with murdering or treating human beings as property. Under exactly no circumstances is it okay to subjugate another human being as though they are objects to be used for personal gain.
It rather should off been titled Atheist is debating "nothingness"
Im athiest. This fellow usually loses his cool and raises voice when sensing diagreement from others.
dontbeknowing Good for you? Anyway, he does so because he hears the same tired arguments, not when people just disagree. He goes through call after call, debate after debate, hearing people go around in circles making no logical sense. It would be very frustrating, especially when he clearly shows them that they are wrong and they continue playing games. Sometimes the only way to get them to shut up so he can actually get his point in is to raise his voice so they'll stop repeating the same BS. Can you provide a link showing where he yells at someone for the simple fact of disagreeing with him?
You don't even know how to spell atheist.
which one? what is your point? ( I am not necessarily disagreeing)
he debates himself and still loses
ren waldo Sye Ten? Yes, that was hilarious - playing clips of Matt kicking ass for his opening 10 minutes and throwing fits toward the end.
Who the fuck is he debating???? NO ONE. And he still lost.
SuperSam424 It's about debating, not an actual debate.
Lol. Fail.
Yeah and he doesn't know shot, still. Making the argument that people should speak with a materialistic mindset isn't saying much.
SuperSam424 Again it must be stated, it's a presentation ABOUT debating.
Embrace atheism, don't embrace anti-theism, as you will only be arguing your silly unfounded beliefs with other peoples silly unfounded beliefs, and believe you are superior in every way. Because that's how your opposition feels too!
Just accept gods do not exist with your own faith, and try and get through your existence, with health in all respects and doing what you feel you can do for others.
Daniel Sloane "Anti-theism is a subset of atheism."
Not really, you can be an atheist and an anti-theist, or just an anti-theist and not an atheist.
Most anti-theists are not atheists. Such as Dawkins or Hitchens (rip)
The New Atheist So noone should ever be able to criticize any religion, no matter how vile it is?
Taxtro Why would you want to criticise religions anyway. That is just counter productive behaviour. I like the variety of religions, beliefs and cults we have.
It shows that us humans look for answers, not giving up to just being arseholes to each other for the sake of it.
The New Atheist
Should we also encourage Nazism to have a higher variety? Or bring back the human sacrifices of the Aztecs?!
I cannot believe what you just wrote. How can you disregard human lives like that? Are they worth nothing to you?
Taxtro You are no more an atheist then the Pope is.
You have no meaning, purpose or value, yet you are preaching anti-theism to everyone, as if it's better than everyone elses beliefs.
Fuck off, you aren't convincing us atheists that your religion is superior being a Flat Earth Theorist, because it's not.
You are as pointless as a fart in a tornado.
I have no opinion on why the Aztecs murdered their own people. Though Stalin murdered over 50 million of his own people in the last century, which proves life is worthless in an atheist led regime.
Those facts scare you, because you are a pansy.
If you can't handle the facts, then stay warm and fuzzy in your 'atheist' churches, and pretend to be like us, when in fact you are a mere shadow.
wathcing this video was a mistake. I ws hoping i could maybe actually hget something out of this video and maybe tyr to put some unsolved puzzle peices together but id sucked thats your opinion and hes entitled to it but if your gonna debate about a topic actually make sense i believe in god and i hope u will to EVERY BODY WATCHING THIS READ THE BIBLE ITR"LL CHANGE YOUR LIFE!!!!
Anthony Curtis I'm reading it right now, and I have to say, it is much, much worse than I expected. I went into it hoping that I could find something that helps me understand why people believe it, but I have yet to find any redeeming qualities. Even the famous stories are much less impressive than I expected. The only extra understanding I have gained so far is why so many people lose their faith when they finally decide to read the Bible.
Anthony Curtis Reading the bible is highly encouraged by atheists as we have actually read it, studied it and researched it's origins. It's one of the biggest reasons we are now atheists.
Anthony Curtis It did, it made an atheist.
Anthony Curtis
I didn't read the bible very much when I was in the Church for all those years. And even when I left the church, for years after I didn't think there was anything terribly bad in the bible.
Then I read sections of it over the past few years, as a non-believer, and some of it is absolutely gut-wrenching and immoral - mass murder, violence, rape, kidnapping, pillaging - much of it done either with god's blessing or on his command.
I think a lot of Christians are extremely selective when they read the bible. They tend to focus on the "good bits" and largely ignore the "bad bits". But if you actually read the bad bits, it really does make you question the entire foundation of Christianity and wonder how any of it could ever be considered moral by any standard.
PS Anthony Curtis Did the Bible make you such extremely bad speller, or is it just bad education?
I'm Italian BTW and I do take pride in the fact that I can spell your own language better than 90% of native English speakers, as it is a sign of good education.
But then again, you could just be an atheist troll, intentionally misspelling (wathcing, hget, tyr, but id sucked, ITR"LL, god) to appear like the typical uneducated theist, in which case you have done a good job at looking bad.
Happy "April Fools Day" to all of you silly atheists.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
TheSavedOne21 April Fools Day AND Easter Sunday all on the same day. What a cosmic joke.
Hahahahahahahaaaaaahah
TheSavedOne21 - go watch a fictional movie about Noah’s ark
For those who God loves saved or unsaved, a Prophetic end time message of the God of Abraham saying is: "TELL THE WORLD I AM COMING SOON ...SPARE NOT MY WORDS." ...is to ask; ...Are you certain that your life's sin are forgiven "through faith in Jesus Christ: to qualify for eternal life?" When God speaks it s for warning, for preparation, and as encouragement to those who have concern for their soul. Quote of KJ; "And this gospel shall be preached to the ends of the earth; and t h e n the e n d will come."
The end is here "in t h i s particular prophetic timing of God" which man has wrongly predicted in past ages simply "for the lack of spiritual discernment of the t i m e s." KJ., The worldwide events today are the biblical "SIGN OF THE TIMES" that the end of the age as we know it is at hand, and which s i g n s will usher in the return of Christ.
You may know and secure your eternal salvation today simply for the asking! Don't wait ...tomorrow may be too late in God's timing. God bless you to this truth! Revivalist Sonja Grinstead...
Wanna debate on your real knowledge of the Bible?? And I am not a Christian. Send me a request. If my health does not fail, will be glad to.
I want to debate you!
You don't know the Bible, either. Can you tell me what the apostle John meant from this verse, John 19:31
fredandpj
Jewish law required that the bodies not be left over night and they were worried about the approaching sabbath, they asked the 3 victims legs be broken to hasten their death. That verse was easy. Okay my turn bible pro. What day was Jesus crucified in the book of Mark? What day was Jesus crucified in the book of John?
No, you failed the test. You read that verse like a Christian. That was too easy, LOL
+fredandpj ok genius what did John really mean to say? I can't wait for u to twist his word. I want to know bible expert what day did mark say Jesus was crucified? N what day did John say Jesus was crucified? Your the expert. Even though I know you won't answer. Because u know what that means. Come on Freddy talk ur way out of this one.
Matt should call his "debates" "getting crushed by Theists" he isnt well versed on atheism let alone any other religion---hence the beatdowns---
Curious on what debates exactly you think he got beat down on.
please wash away your stupidity
you should call your definition of "beat down" opposite world. you don't know what you're talking about. are you projecting? I think so...
Why do people make comments like this? You're clearly just trying to ruffle feathers. Why? What's the point?
Matt Dillahunty's believes in nothing , nothing from nothing is nothing. The Law of non- contradiction states that A can't be A and not be A at the same time in the same relationship. Matt begs questions by stating you can't know, therefore, I'm right. Every effect comes from a cause , if words , morals have no meaning or reason for existing, then why debate that they aren't real. One reason , money. Matt Dillahunty only debates for money no other reason. His church members are atheist. Atheism is a religion, anti religion is still a belief and serves it's own propose.
Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Cheers!
Lisa Pertee You know he doesn't get paid to do this, right?
Lisa Pertee Actually the mass that the big bang came from has always been there - you are the one claiming that a god came out of nothing to make it out of nothing - also atheism is the exact opposite of a religion, and we don't have a church since we are not religious.... We dont believe in things that arent real. There is clear evidence that Australia exists even tho i haven't been there so i use my common sense and tell myself that it is real, while no theists have EVER in history provide a single evidence for anything supernatural. And the reason we debate and try convert you from your cult is because you are to more harm than good for the rest of society.
Lisa Pertee _"Matt Dillahunty only debates for money no other reason"_
Matt has often stated that if he wanted to make lots of money, the best thing would be to announce he's found god, become the preacher he was _"meant"_ to be, and use his _"popularity"_ to appear with all the usual suspects (the preachers n evangelists n fake healers with the jet planes, diamonds, palatial villas and so on), tell people how he's repented and found the "TRUTH" and he'll be rolling the cash in.
The only thing stopping him doing so is his integrity.
But if one wants to make money, religion is the best bet, a lot of suckers out there willing to hear what they need to hear.
_"Atheism is a religion"_ like off is a TV channel and not playing golf is a hobby.
Anti-religion has become a necessity in a world where religion claims a variety of privileges, like Tax exemptions, and has always stifled scientific discoveries because they annihilate their preposterous myths.
In fact, you are proof of it, attacking Matt's character, rather than his message.
Im not going to watch Dr krauss. The mass the universe is made of has always been there, in the concentrated compressed ball it once was. And by your own logic if something came from nothing, then god wouldn't be there either because he also had to be made.
this guy hates religion, but doesn't make any compelling arguments against the existence of a God. But I didn't watch the whole thing so maybe he touched on it later
You are familiar with the concept of burden of proof, yes?
ibuprofen303 I am but this was so long ago I have no idea what he even says in the lecture. I'm assuming my point was, to make the claim there is no God also demands some form proof. So it isn't enough to say religions are stupid therfore no God exists.
Noah Pelletier
Atheists don't make the claim that there is no God, rather - they make the claim that there is no evidence to believe that one exists (currently). Two different things.
ibuprofen303 Well the smart ones do anyways. Again I forget what this video is saying so I can't comment on it right now. But I agree that we can't dismiss God any more the we can dismiss aliens. But I believe there is better evidence for God then for aliens and that's what the debate should be about.
Noah Pelletier
Currently, we can dismiss aliens because there is absolutely no evidence for them. Do you have any evidence you can present for God? I think the discovery of water on certain rocks in space may be more evidence for the possibilities of aliens, more so than any evidence for a God, which seems to be completely non-existent currently. Also, I think that someone who made the statement that there is no God might be classed as an "Anti Theist" rather than an "Atheist".
Too bad that Matt Dilahunty does NOT know the Bible
you sure?
+Jaz E say that? yes. Just like most Christians. an Christian churches. . They do not follow the Bible. Ever hear Matt Dillahunty say that? NO. Here is an example of people Like Matt, and I bet he has said this,.It concerns jesus Crucifixion, and raising from the Dead. While the Bible states a Passover crucifixion, and raising from the dead after 72 hours in the tomb to a Good Friday Crucifixion, and an Easter Sunday Rise from the dead which Christians take as the reason that the Sabbath changed. Passover was on Wednesday, and the first day was the first day but he rose then to Keep the 7th day Sabbath, and not set a new Sabbath. 72 hours in the tomb, and not 26-28 hours. The Sabbath was changed because of a highly prohibited Tax against those the tried to keep the 7th day It would quickly lead to them being fed to the Lions because they could NOT pay the tax.. Nothing in the Bible claims a Good fiday /death, and 26 hours later rising from the dead.
fredandpj so you're calling Matt a lier when he told almost all the caller of TAE he studied the bible to be a minister.
They study parts of the Bible, but mostly study church doctrine. Have you seen anything that sets Christ Birthday at December 25? Or he was crucified on Good Friday. Friday late afternoon to Sunday at sundown(Saturday) which Jesus predicted might be as many as 27 hours, and not 72 as Jesus claimed. Even the Sabbath day was changed, it did not come from the Bible
He studied the religion Christian churches do not know the Bible. They claimed that the Sabbath day has changed, yet not one of them cane tell where Jesus said that in the bible, ad they think that Jesus, and the Father are different persons too, Wrong.
What is The Atheist Experience exactly? What are they experiencing that no one else can experience? Is it an experience that is exclusive to atheists? Someone explain this to me. It is seems like a very moronic, shallow yet extremely pretentious moniker for a movement that doesn't really offer anything.
+imbluz it's just a name. doesn't mean anything
Ironically these atheists are religious in nature. They are learning why their religious beliefs are better than other people religious beliefs.
Many theistic religions, have these same presentations on debating atheists!
Jan Hald LOL! Sure, sure. Doesn't matter how often you and others say that, it wont make it true.
Shadow VanDusen Yep sure is true, no matter how much you deny it. You are a religious anti-theist, who think's they are an educated atheist.
You just like any fundy christian, except you preach more.
Do I? Have you ANY evidence of your claims about me?
Shadow VanDusen So you are not a Matt Dillyhunty type anti-theist?
That's good. I'm glad you don't want to share what you believe, because you probably know deep down, it's not very nice, and I'll probably debunk you.
So are you going to share anything, or do I have to assume you will just keep asking for evidence for anything, and not actually claim anything for yourself?
Choice is yours if you want to debate! I'm just here to debunk New Atheism and religious anti-theism :)
So far you have made claims and assertions without anything to back them up. I imagine any conversation with you might continue with that as a pattern from you, and thus be counter-productive as an actual conversation.
If you make a claim, be able to back it up.
In your first reply to me, you imagined yourself with the ability to know my thoughts of myself without my sharing them with you. Are you psychic or lying, concerning that claim?
y do people listen to this guy, like he's insightful?....nothing impressive....and everyone is astounded for mediocre concepts he repeats..
Perhaps you just need a bigger glove. Or just play it over again until the message works it's way into your brain. The path to true enlightenment is not through the toxic holy books.
@@mrcurly1147 I understand what he says...I'm juts not impressed.....hes rude, misrepresents and doesn't answer deeper questions....
Theres different fields of study...to say that scripture has nothing to offer...is a reflection of ur limitations
Studying scripture is not only beneficial but quite difficult for those who dont have certain principles/understanding in place
@@isaacdominguez474 Books, scriptures are man made and fallible, especially since it is unsupported by facts and evidence. The equivalence would be to assign significance to Harry Potter or Star Wars, then live your life by them.
@@mrcurly1147 no u can not compare the bible for example to Harry Potter....
This makes u sound foolish and ignorant...
The bible is literally the most important book ever comprised....
Alot of the bible is history....y do u take any of ur history to be valid?
What exactly in the bible do u consider b.s.?(give 1 or 2)
Do u believe in God or an higher power?
@@isaacdominguez474 No, it actually makes you sound foolish and ignorant. The bible is a work of poorly written fiction. That is why they don't teach any of it in school. It could not be thought of as an important book, at least not for knowledge of any sort. It is a hate manual for a cult. A very disgusting cult that uses it to control what people say and think. It has hundreds of contradictions and outright lies!! The idiots that wrote that thing didn't even know that bats are not birds and whales are not fish!! How fucked up is that? If you want to have that crud govern your life, do so with utmost caution. You may as well give up on converting anyone here. There are a lot of good reasons why you should avoid that book entirely, which is exactly what have done and I am extremely grateful I never fell victim to such profane dupery as in that book. Talking snakes FFS!!!
Jesus cursed the fig tree and it died.
Elijah cudsed the young people and they died.
The power of words spoken in faith.
Friar Tuck Yeah, pretty evil people, eh?
Baron von Quiply maybe. Maybe not.
Friar Tuck Well the first wasn't bright enough to know that trees bear fruit only when they're in season and the second leads to the death of 42 children who get tortured forever because of the first guy again.
Baron von Quiply
Have you ever considered that being alienated from the author of life for eternity is torment enough.
If being separated from the creator does not disturb you, perhaps you should ask yourself why you love pleasure above God.
Your sin rather than his righteousness.
Every good thing, that makes your life meaningful ultimately comes from God.
Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’
“But they paid no attention and went off-one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.
“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Mathew 22 1-14
Friar Tuck Repent heathen! For the Flying Spaghetti Monster is Nigh! Ask yourself why you love violence and crime, come away from your sins and ask Krishna for forgiveness.
"But," says Man, "the Babelfish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist and therefore by your arguments you don't QED" Adams - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy page 42, middle of the page.
You can follow this man or seek God and follow Christ
I follow no one. through informing myself, research and critical thinking I make educated decisions that govern my life. Thus far I can find no convincing evidence for jesus, god or any other mythology of the world.
Or you can take responsibility for each and every action and never abdicate you will to fictitious gods or mortal beings.
You guys don't even follow christ so why should we? Well, other than the fact the he doesn't exist in reality. It's easy to hide for eternity when you can make yourself invisible.
Collins you can follow christ into nothing ,why follow a myth ,fairytale or drop off a cliff toseek god or better yet SANTA CLAUSE ,TOOTHFAIRY or HELL
Dillahunty is taking himself and his followers to a dark place and they don't even know it. Oh well...
Eddy the truth is a dark place ,you confused , christians are in a dark place ( they are delusional & brainwashed ) with their heads up there and can't think