OUT DATED - pre release conquest 16 thoughts under exhaustion
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Almost 9 years I've been playing and this is gonna be impossible for me to get red crate
your 100% correct,CG pushes until they cant push anymore
If you're calling out Padawan Obi, call out Master Qui Gon in sector 2 as well, which brings you to a nice, satisfying 20 feats. :) The new acronymn should be $wgoh! The FOMO around new content has been accelerated in the last several conquests but it really started to take off with the "full Gungan team" feats in galactic challenges, etc. Relic level gating was the old tactic, farm the new stuff hard and don't ignore it until it becomes accelerated is the new push.
Agree. It's definitely gotten worse lately. First with Gungan GCs every week that locked out everyone without Jar Jar from even gold crating, then the new raid, which is frustrating even *with* a good roster (and causing many to debate quitting), and now this. 😭
Idk even what alert is lol
This is why I just get about the middle crate and some datacrons from each conquest. I would like the newer characters, but I'll have to wait. Which sucks I wanna try some teams out with DTMG and the Queen. But sadly that won't happen for another 6 8 months.
I also haven't been investing in the new LS bundle packs since they keep raising the prices and even though it'd help I don't wish to drop the amounts they have been requesting. They are pushing to hard on the money instead of making the game more enjoyable. I still wanna see every single event that can be 3 stared to be simmable. I have missed some profundity battles cause I hate doing that battle. Yet I have it 3 starred.
Conquest was always (ok maybe not always but for a really long time) focused on the newest content. A lot of theese you can achieve with low gear characters + some strong tank + good discs and the buff/debuff feats will be propable easy to cheese. I'm fully F2P player but i can always achieve red chest except the Boba, DTMG and Malicos seasons
You're right Gerbil, CG should be careful not to overdo it. In my guild, 4 players have stopped playing in no time. I enjoy the game but such processes make you think.
As someone who quit the game a few months ago, I don't know why I'm watching this video lol. But I think if I were still playing, red crate wouldn't be that bad. The Morg kills and DTP kills might have to be skipped. However, there's almost always a cheese. Especially for surviving feats. Conquest has really been a slog for awhile. One of the reasons I quit. But for an overachieving very-low-spender (I'm looking at you light speed bundles), I almost always got red crate. Only time I didn't was for DTMG cuz I was getting burned out on conquest. I see, however, that's still a legitimate gripe
Cheese for sure, but as I said in the video, it still requires you have the cheese characters like HYoda, JML, etc., or the RNG that you pull the right data disks. If you don't get those DD, any conquest can be a miserable grind from beginning to end. :(
How can we complain about this? how can we let them know we don't want this?
Gungans have been out for almost a year, and all of the new marquee feats are cheeseable with low level units.
Yep, my tone changed after application. That vid was before the event started and as I said the front, I had. 13 hour work day. :( was tired.
It is tough. And on my twink I am not ready with some of the conquest units and have no Jar Jar now so mathematically it is impossible to get the new conquest char. That is just kind of trash actually and the hole is getting deeper and deeper with any conquest. Pretty sad. Let´s see if thwe Jar Jae event will show up again as there are so many gungan and Jar Jar feats.
I think this has yo do with ezra. Hes basically required for Ahsoka, so they are banking on people being willing to shell out to get him. The GL lifters have always came out after the GL.
True, this is 100% Ezra themed, even the Geo stuff as Ezra saved their species from extinction. Still, I just don't think this narrowly focused feat selection is fun for most people, and games should be fun.
This is a return to 'the bad old days of conquest'. The last 3 conquests, Bane, QA & Luthern have been pretty easy. I hope there sales of conquest and conquest+ passes plummet for the next 3 conquests for Ezra, so CG go back to making sector feats easier.
Ezra will be a lifter for GL Snips, so if anything, this might incentivize us to get the passes to get some shards which we might be missing out on due to the stupidity of the feats. Like how tf is Morgan in there THREE fucking times.
Wow, still with 10+ days to go, almost red create, what a joke this is
1- this was posted BEFORE it was playable,
2- I said clearly I was exhausted when I recorded it, which put me in a not so happy mood
3- I did not say it was not doable, I said it looks to be not fun. This is a huge distinction
At the time, that was a reasonable conclusion. After 4 days of game play, it is clearly not a hard conquest. But to my point about fun? That’s different for everyone and totally unrelated to you getting red crate.
Hmm looks like hard mode is out for me . I don’t like these new characters anyway. Their costumes are boring and they don’t have any force powers.
Before you give up on Hard, remember the rewards for even the 1st chest in HARD is still BETTER Than the best crate in Normal... i think. Try to compare them first, but sincerely, I'm 100% sure it's better to go the hard path if you have any chance of getting the lower chests.
@@thegerbil23 yeah ok , I’m just not going try very hard. Speed run to sector 5 then done
@@intersepter3332 Wandering Scavengers allow you buy some nice gear and signal data in Hard mode even int he first stage.
@@Iron_Sheep big deal I rarely use them their a nuisance
I don't find conquest very fun so I don't bother to finish it. Everytime I look at the feats , I feel better about my decision 😜😹
It would be more fun to fight " real " team to practice counters rather then all the weird mechanics they give to conquest units 😝
Yeah, this one is ridiculous.
They are doing tne same thing in MSF. And they would answer you : "Fine by me".
But look over here..... Two lightspeed bundles!! Now pay for those and be quiet about how difficult we are making Conquest.
I do agree if feels more marquee intensive with the feats. And maybe they did this because his intended squad isn’t in game yet?
Along with making more revenue. I know he has synergies with jedis. But that’s what I’ve been thinking about.
These "defeat X enemies with Y specific character" are possibly the worst thing they've come up with. Those are the feat I usually ditch first because they're almost impossible to achieve, even with cheese.
IT very much depends on your roster right? IF you have Hermit Yoda, JML, or the right DataDisks, it's manageable, but not fun. I don't like em either. :(
Awesome. So many characters that I haven't had a chance to get to 7 stars let alone relics. Lol
And another video! You rocking it Gerbil! Your voice is so easy to listen to and carries any message you wish to convey!
Agreed, still under a year of playtime, bought a few LSB's.
Also: kills with Morgan Elsbeth: she is a TANK.
Beq is still not accelerated IIRC.
Re: older Imp Remnant: not to forget: recent players like me, won't have Dark Trooper moff Gideon either, like, at all. 0 shards.
This is certainly not incentivizing me to spend, quite the opposite.
Didn't buy the KAM LSB, won't buy the Hoth one either.
What'd be the point? Spend for one of those chars? Ok, maybe 2-3 feats. And the rest?
And few months along, it'll be new ones.
So better off not spending at all and focus on older stuff (and sigh when a LSB comes along including the older stuff), and expanding the base account and the 'permanent' things. (assault battles, fleets, RotE,...)
Appreciate your analysis on this. While I’m a 10mil GP player, there are a bunch of teams I still don’t have and am working on atm, which is tying up my resources. This is pushing a bigger divide between those that can pursue newer toons and those that cannot.
I'm in a 500 million GP guild.
Most of my guildmates have already just said they won't even try for the max crate.
I think there are only 5 or 6 of us who expect to achieve it.
I bet a handful more could achieve it, but aren't motivated to put in that much effort.
The Naboo raid screams the same thing. Guilds have their GET rewards cut in half if they don't r8 enough toons...many of which are not useful at all. Certainly not worth the investment outside the raid. Until CG loses money and the players revolt nothing is going to change.
Part of the issue is that it's difficult to create an enviorment where the end game middle and early game feel challanged enough so the game isnt boring, and as you say create an enviorment where spending is faciliated. It also doesnt help when players reward these shitty practices by doing exactly what the devllopers want which is to spend money.
I know where you're coming from with this. In my mind, the ones that concern me are when it says 'survives' as that can be really tricky without gear/relic investment. Single kills as well can be difficult (i.e. defeat an enemy with QA) but the survives are the most concerning. The feeling I have is I can respect Gungans being involved, they warned us. IR-related feats though just feels like they wanted to put them in as they're new and it just has a feels bad feel to it even if turns out they're all doable without heavy investment.
retailiate phalanx has it.
Stellar video and I agree with it. I think a lot of this is to make whales feel like their investment is more worthwhile since they will be some of the few to red crate
What’s annoying I got gungans and obi and qui and they just dropped characters and make me use characters I can’t really even play with
I get that, but having just completed sector 1, the data disks (maybe lucky) I got were really helpful and I was able to complete all but the Enoch feat in 1 run through. I think this will be doable for more people than I originally feared. Still feel these feats are not that fun, but certainly more manageable than 1st glance. That said, if you don't have the needed units, nothing can fix that for people. :(
The excessive unfavorable character feats and ridiculous lightspeed bundles makes me really wonder if this..and I don't like being a doomsayer..is a cash grab because they know something we dont...like it's reaching the end...I know it doesn't make since with the recent PC version being added but something seems off
I've certainly wondered the same thing. :(
I don't know if it's a whole new level. Every now and then CG does extreme version of something. I assume then they evaluate how far they could push it and scale back to get the maximum results they want,
Ya, you maybe right. I was stupid tired when I saw this and just reacted. A day later, I hold that it's still very bad for player fun. It does nothing to encourage happy engagement, but a lot to create the feeling of a need to spend or forced engagement. :(
Personally I'm going to go for the 6th box and call it a day its not worth the headache
Games should be fun. If it stops being fun, stop spending time on it. :)
What your job that requires you to be there 13 hours a day :O
I'm a design teacher at a large international school. Normally most days are 7-8 hours, but yesterday we had an evening event and I had to give 6 presentations to parents over a 4 hour period that lasted till after 8 pm. :( So I was on my feet talking and smiling ALL day. ouch...
You are not wrong. This is by far the most feats requiring new, exclusive characters. I also agree that we will find cheese teams to make it possible, but even for those of us that have the cheese enablers, that is not a great solution. Stamina is a thing, which means you can only use those cheese enablers so many times per day. This Conquest will either be the most grindy Conquest ever, or the most exclusive Conquest ever.
Nah it's Boba fett soj conquest tripolic will find away to cheese it
@@noelcook2389 exactly. That one was incredibly grindy and the only Conquest series where I couldn't unlock the character at the end of the first 3 months. But I expect this one to be worse, because even SoJ didn't have the new character feats in every single sector and the global feats
You are 100% right in this conclusion I’ve bought the pass plus for about 1.5 years and I don’t see why I should buy this one I’ve been able to Redbox with the pass since about 6 mil I’m (8.5 mill now)even if I buy this pass I would be nowhere close to the feats I’m gonna pass on this conquest seems like a drag
Ps. I also have gungans at r7 so that just show how hard these feats are
the one thing I didnt hear you mention to go along with everything you correctly hit on the head, is this also will prevent getting ezra which is potentially required for new GL Ashoka thus costing potentially 6 mos on getting her. It is a compiling effect. I basically quit spending on this game with the disappointing Lord Vader. in the meantime I have spent well over 10K in raid shadow of legends so its not being opposed to spending.. its spending without new game modes to make it enjoyable. I just about quit a couple conquests back, I will wait to see if I can check remenant feats if not looks like its finally time to quit. and to be clear ive only played because of my guild for the last couple years, the game lost me long before that.
I can agree with all the points you made. Only small concession I could make to them is since he's a lifter for Ahsoka and nobody early game will be anywhere close to getting her, maybe it makes sense they are making it a challenge for the end game players that will get her right away 🤷🏻
Weird set,IMO
I've spent more than i would like to on this game. Things like this get discouraging and make me want to not spend anything.
I hear ya!
Very insightful!
I do 100% FTP over 3 accounts. I would grind to Gold or Red crate and in general I don't hate conquest; kind of semi looking forward to playing it. But some of the grinds are insane. As you point out 14! feats based on the new content?!?
Luthen: how do you get it? 3x90= 270 and what else? = 3x20 spending everything else on shards for 3 months. Horrible! To maintain a Red crate chain becomes just too painful. Verdict: DISENJOYMENT ✅
Yep, that's what i see and hear people expressing and that's just not good for the game's longevity. :(
@@thegerbil23 the aftermath: for the first time I was able to do 3x Red crates for my 3 accounts. Alts were doing only gold previously. So bad on paper but decent on practice. (alts are 100% FTP since beginning on 2022; main 100%FTP as well )
I think you may be reading too deep into this one. Even if we accept this Conquest will be more directed to spenders and developed rosters, so is the new GL Ashoka. And that’s ok. Just like the light speed bundles are aimed at new players and less developed rosters to provide catch up mechanics.
The game has such a wide spread of power levels now that it’s OK to tilt towards various subsets now and then.
Some conquests are easier and some more challenging. It’s actually healthy for the game.
This will be my first Conquest attempting Hard mode. I don't have any GLs or Conquest characters. I'm just hoping to make it to the first crate lol!
CLS will take you there... also phoenix, nightsisters
Ezra will be available FTP.......
In about 6 to 9 months. Lol
I think you are catastrophizing. We had 2 easy Conquests. This is a harder one and hopefully Ezra is going to be worth it.
There is one slight glimmer of which is a deployable cooling system consumable. This opens up a good chance that even these terrible feats to cheese, but over all they are not helpful
They honestly need to do what other games do.. sell key card progress.. do it with crystals or cash.. it'll allow players to skip impossible feats.
That would be appreciated!
My issue with this argument about attempting to maximize profit is that it's not possible with how the game is structured. If CG SOLD these characters during events, then they may make money off of Conquest feats like these. However, these feats don't come out until after those marquees, so it's too late for them to make any money from these feats. Right?
Unless the goal is to induce panic and FOMO in the player base so that they spend $$ to avoid being ill prepared for future feats.
I'm a sincerely believer that if you build something fun, enjoyable, engaging, approachable, people will gladly spend more often and more freely. Conquest, particularly this one, is not structured about fun or engaging, it's structured around forcing grindy activities with hard paywall gated characters (for most players) to encourage spending out of necessity, not out of desire.
You're not wrong, and it does suck but how do we as the consumer/player base win?
Don't buy the conquest pass or + pass. Its they only way to stop CG doing this in the future.
Now this is the pay to win I was hoping would never make its way into swgoh.
100% Cheese will come, but even then, that's not really fun for most people.
Win with X Surviving or X present really only requires you to have the character can always throw them behind a hard hitting GL. Everyone that was active during the Marquee events should have them. The gain X buff or inflict X debuff can be done virutally the same way. The only feats that should really give anyone any problems are potentially the Kill with X feats. People should have their Gungans by now as well.
Also find it funny that another content creator who is normally very critical of CG is saying these are fine. Feel a lot of players are just knee-jerk reacting without even considering how to do it. Morgan is a NS the NS team has a a ton of revives and now you are double dipping with the global. Conquest doesn't have relic restrictions. Also you can get Gold box with like 100 missing points which means you can get Ezra in 4 months going Gold Gold Gold Red and buying the shards and taking advantage of the basic conquest pass. Players need to stop complaining about Conquest and realize it's the most player friendly method of acquiring powerful characters in the game.
Thanks for the comment, though I don't fully agree. Win with X surviving requires specific data disks or finding the right enemy nodes that are slow enough to beat or don't have AoE attacks... both are RNG dependent. Also for kills with X, that can be very hard to cheesed if you have a wide enough roster. As for Gungans, no... very few people relative to the player base have them geared. Only 41,500 people have a relic Boss Nass, which is less than 10% of the player base.. morel like 5-8% actually. swgoh.gg/characters/relic-player-data/ Only 28,500 people have Jar Jar at R1+, which is less than 4% of the player base. It's easy to think people "should have", but this is a game, and the people that do have these characters are way way more engaged and committed to this game than the vast majority of players.
I think you're missing my point. My concern is not that people can't do / play it. Far from it actually, as I even said I look forward to sharing solutions down the road. My point was that this level of pushing "new and shinny" is bad for player enjoyment and moral. It "appears" to be a cash grab, which negatively impacts most players feelings toward the game, making them like they are falling behind, leading to resentment, etc., thus potentially less engagement leading to a shrinking player base, which pushes companies like CG to push for more drastic measures to maintain revenue. It's a tried and true cycle that has killed many franchises. Do I think SWGOH is dying? No... that's also why I made that video, to push back against that cycle in the hopes it grows and thrives with different approaches to Conquest from CG in future events.