The Next Rembrandt
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Blurring the boundaries between art and technology, we set out on a challenge to see if the great Master can be brought back to life to create a new painting www.nextrembrandt.com
The Next Rembrandt is a collaboration between:
ING / Microsoft / TU Delft / Mauritshuis / Rembrandthuis
"When robots replace humans in the workplace, humans will be free to focus on arts and leisure."
~Scientists promptly start replacing human artists with robots~
"Now all they need to do is invent Hedonism-bot and we're all screwed."
hahahaha
We'll all be screwing Robots?
If someone someone else creates art does it stop you now? Then why would a machine stop you?
@Ondřej Perný fuck em.
The truth, of course, is that if Rembrandt lived into 1670 he would have continued to surprise himself in the unpredictable manner he did during his late years. There's no guessing. When you average the body of an artist's work you end up with the safest, most predictable, and (ironically) least characteristic pot-boiler. We tend to get the clearest image of an artist when they take the greatest chances; we tend to build our conception around the rare extraordinary work. The Beatles only wrote about 4-5 songs in the vein of Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields, yet what could be more Beatle-y? We grasp artists like we grasp people, with our emotional intelligence: swifter than numbers and more truthful than averages.
I agree. That painting is like l “ a no soul image “ . Lest try Just set a real Rembrandt painting, side by side with that computer image .
"IM SO SMART, LISTEN TO ME. THIS IS NOT A REMBRANDT BECAUSE REMBRANDT DIDNT DO THIS. ART IS MORE THAN COMPUTER CHIPS."
Yeah lol, so much negativity in these comments, and i'm an art student
Personally, I'd rather see this technology used to paint a contemporary subject, as if Rembrandt were still alive. Wouldn't it be fun to have, say, a presidential portrait done in this manner?
+David Parker Would love to see a Bernie Sanders done in this
That'd be fun.👍
Well, your wish came true in a much powerful way than anyone expected. Now you can have paintings of everyone in any style you want.
Crazy that this already existed like 7 years ago, mind blown.
And that TopazLabs can't do creative generative upscale like 1:25 yet.
This is what happens, when you smoke too much pot. I have a commercial application idea. You open up a web page, where one can upload personal portrait pics and then your code draws him/her a Rembrand portrait. Might be quite exciting! I can't wait to see the first Rembrand painted selfies.
+wronski11 deepart.io/
+IC Rainbow It's a fun site, the quality is not quite there yet, but seeing the developments of neural nets for art, while thinking about the future potential of such a tool is quite exciting.
Have you been dipping into this medical stuff yourself?
I'm an artist, we know that even if the computer can creat a data of proportion and all another measurements used on a (paint, painted for any painter) it is great but it always is going to be a copy of the emotion and motions that the painter creat.
"The data led us to the conclusion that the subject should be a portrait of a caucasian male with facial hair, between 30-40 years old, in dark clothing, with a collar, wearing a hat and facing to the right"
*facepalm*
+Nizouniz It reminds me so much of that Apple vs. PC commercial where the PC guy remembers his vacation using a spreadsheet to demonstrate how much time they spent doing an activity, sure it may be useful data, but it kinda misses the point.
+deltaray3 What would you rather they have chosen?
***** ***** The problem is this video doesn't show enough details of how they made the painting, its just that on the surface it looks like that's mostly what they focused on. I would have choose to analyze how he used his brush, what colors he choose for certain situations, who the subject was vs. what was conveyed in the painting and so on. Sure thats harder to do with computers and information but there's the challenge.
i agree, this seems very unreliable.
it is not clear how much of this work is done by the machine and how much of it is polished by humans
What I learned here is that if you average together Rembrandt's paintings you get a young Paul Giamatti in period clothing. Cool
+KGiustOD This isn't about averaging.
Awesome! Technology & Art together, much is achieved. Particularly impressed about the design, data gathering, algorithm, programming & finally 3D printing using ink, generating textures.
Everyone seems to be missing the point of this. The goal was/is not to replace artists with robots or under great masters. It's showing the capability of the technology we have today. If you are able to do a 3D scan of a painting, analyse hundreds of eyes etc, that means you will be able to do the same with human skin anomalies and detect/treat cancer faster - as example.
Always take the principles behind and see how can this be implemented in other areas!
I think this is a fantastic campaign.
The only problem is that its not Rembrandt
+Stefan jeez, of course not, thats the point, to imitate him using a computer
+Mateo Sjollema
So, it is not the next Rembrandt, merely the next IMITATION of Rembrandt :)
Thats the truth, yet it would not have existed without him
So when can I buy a Rembrandt portrait of myself online?
Hopefully, never.
This is an amazing project. I was really impressed by how the machine could comprehend the data and create something new. However, there is something that a machine could never recreate: the life of Rembrandt. Art is wonderful because it is human-made and full of stories. It shows our intellectual capacity to translate nature and create our own.
Surely Frans Hals would have been a better choice? 'The Laughing Banker' would have been a masterpiece.
This is what I want to do with my life. The integration of fine art + technological innovation here is genius. I hope be a part of a project like this some day.
+kellieskins Good luck :)
Are you still interested, I have something in mind
They should release the music used in the video ! Beautiful.
Academically, the background would b lighter on the subjects shaded/darker side & darker on the subjects lit side....It doesnt seem to be this way & that is something Rembrandt always utilized. Im surprised the computers percentage process didnt choose to do the same (just a lighthearted observation, the painting looks incredible) Interesting idea/video....I think this would b fun to continue with other artists. A Van Gogh?? Monet?? I agree that some people take the idea too serious....This is not intended to create permanent, new works of art to b auctioned & collected. Those would b forgeries or with out a signature -nothing more then a copy of a style or approach. I didnt hear anyone in the vid suggest otherwise, so Im not sure why there r negative comments in regards to the idea. Amazing technology, well made film, short & to the point. Well done-Thanks for sharing!!!
The result is a doll. Rembrandt portraits have life.
What a cute composite image. Hopefully this inspires real artists.
They should call it "The typical Rembrandt" instead.
i agree. if he was somehow revived and made one more painting it would probably come from his soul, not be yet another commissioned painting of a rich guy
Very cool application of data sciences, custom algorithms, and 3d printing. I'd love to commission a Rembrandt-like painting of myself
Hi, Rob I would be willing to make you Rembrandt-like painting.
Hire an artist from an established atelier
So basically they drew EVERY Rembrandt... They created an amalgamation of his work. Neil Caffrey could have done this in 4 hours...
I believe in taking technology only to a certain point. I must admit that I love this new "Rembrandt!"
Blurring the boundaries between art and technology is an impressive capability that we have adapted in this generation. The efforts and the outcome seem impressive at first but I'm actually pretty unsatisfied after I've examined it a little longer. There is more to Rembrandt than just composition and aesthetic! Sure, the paintings look a certain way but I think it had more to do with the composition and application of the paint and the specific touch of the artist than it has to do with aspects only an algorithm can detect such as attire, facial proportions, and position of the model. It seems that the secret techniques employed by arguably the greatest master of the 17th century will remain a mystery for at least a bit longer.
Would love to see this as a 4K movie!!
I think I am more disturbed by this than impressed by it.
Rembrandt to cudowny malarz, wspaniały.
"We have to create a painting just from data and it shall be like Rembrandt's brush"
My God…Rembrandt, you fight the great fight against CGI
I don't think this is blurring the boundary between art and technology; it's apply technology to art.
Much like how typography went from handwritten script to wooden typesetting slugs, to metal slugs, to computer based fonts and type factories. This is simply another advance in the toolset available to the artist.
It is the individual unique human qualities which have real value, this is no different to singing a song using Elvis Presley's voice and singing style.
What makes a painting come to life is the act of painting it- its the artists who puts it into the painting- for sure Rem was a master- so to are many others- and more are not. This repro is pretty good- but to me the eyes are dead- a computer can't read some things- this is the spirit that is put into it- makes it breath. But pretty cool though-good job.
so much great content!
In the words of Immortal Joe, "mediocre".
you can get a similiar effect from editing software thats been around for years, morphing software for example merging average pictures to make a new one, the only interesting part of this process is the quality of the final image and the way it was printed. I would be way more impressed if it could recreate a scene with several people interacting realisticaly
+UncleJackOnline This is not the same thing as averaging images. Go and do it and tell me if it looks even remotely similar.
+FragMentEditing its exactly what they are doing, morph one face into another, the face between the two is the average, they just used more than two images to make the final image. That is the data the are talking about in the video. Its just their software then fine tunes the image removing and duplicated lines nfar better than any standard home user software
Definitely not averaging Images. Look up Deep learning and neural networks before downplaying a huge achievement in the domain of AI
@@UncleJackOnline Dude, I know this is two years old, but averaging images is now where even close to how this works. Please look it up instead of speculating?
thanks for telling me now after i bought it as a rembrandt .give my money back .
I would buy this oil painting! I think is beautiful.
wait this was 6 years ago, why are techbros telling me this tech was only around for the last 6 months?
Really love the music in this video. Anyone have a source?
What is this song in the beginning find out?
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Isnt this portrait just the average of the others? average nose, average distance between nose and eyes, etc? Im I missing something?
+Felipe Forero Go and average the images yourself and tell me if you get the same result. This is not remotely the same thing.
Beautiful!
Thank you!
Where can I download a high resolution JPEG of this painting?
It would be valuable only if the computer could make the portrait of an existing people in the Rembrandt's style.
Rembrandt painted an idea, rather than the form
Our contemporaries are increasingly losing this ability - to see an idea, thought, purpose
Our contemporaries are increasingly believe in simple patterns of technology, against the ideas
It is this belief in the simple patterns (together with the order to kill the soul of Rembrandt) implemented so big and majestic
Yep, they confuse statistical correlations between pixels with what an artist actually does.
Extraordinary but this could easily be manipulated for nefarious purposes but like all new technology that's the price for innovation. I can imagine someone creating an algorithm based on the works of Mozart thereby creating your own individual music based on the artistic that is long dead. This is cloning on an artistic level...
its open big big opportunities when i see that i want to live longer Thank you
amazing!
Too much focus on excelling in technology might have resulted in an obvious artistic flaw -- the compositional structure tells it all! I don't think real Rembrandt would have left so much space above the subject's head. If I saw this portrait without knowing about this 3D printing, I would have thought of it as a follower/apprentice's work perhaps.
Good eye. I noticed that too. But I think they were mostly focused on the portrait and person oppose to the overall composition. Still, using algorithms alongside a 3d printer and able to create a piece of art that could be easily confused with an apprentice's work IMO is still impressive considering the capability of technology that's associated with this line of work was just a few years ago.
Rembrandt, anyway, used many different styles throughout his life. Did they mixed them all scanning the entire corpus of his works?
Nope, If you go ahead and read about their work, you will find that they picked the widest dataset of a similar sort that they had - portraits, specifically those of a middle aged, Caucasian males with a beard, wearing a collar against a dark backdrop
Congrats !
gorgeous
대단한 기술력............
If people would support the up and coming artists..Then the next generation of so called "Rembrandt s" would develop & come about...
Lex, No?, that's not what art lovers and collectors feel
Very cool job ! Don't mind the haters, this is awesome :)
Its just too much effort to create imitation.
Is that The normal ( and The best ) course of human evolution ?
What is this song in the beginning? So beautiful
What is this song in the beginning find out?
So where can we download a high-quality image of this?
+Myconix Hopefully soon, I want to take a much closer look at it :)
Try this 2695 x 2305 image:
theinspirationroom.com/daily/interactive/2016/6/the_next_rembrandt.jpg
thanks.
Ekaterinya Vladinakova You are welcome, sir!
I am truly mesmerized.................
Just for thoughts
how about THE NEXT MOZART !!! please. I believe the self learning algorithm and analysis
tool you have cratered already might be well capable. Thanks
this is amazing
It looks like a cross between Percy from The Green Mile and a low budget sci fi movie humanoid.
Very interesting!
Saw this on QI. So incredible. Who knew that today's technology could bring forth a ghost of the creativity that was harnessed centuries earlier?
Wow, really interesting video, cancerous comment section, why am I not surprised.
What's next? Where can "innovation" take us? How about going back to the foundation of painting, following Rembrandt's course of hard work and study in anatomy, color, and composition? Skipping over the foundation work results in a shaky building. Genius begins with the basics and builds from there.
+Laurie Bruckmann To produce a portrait through manual labor of painting has nothing to do with art per se, and technology makes the genius of lighting effects reproduction by means of one's eyes and hands becomes obsolete and irrelevant. No genius today let alone in the future will want to devote his life to acquire such skill like Rembrandt anymore.
+Laurie Bruckmann I would suggest that a lot of hard work and study went into the process of making this, just in a different field. Unless you think you'd be able to easily sit down and write a deep learning algorithm or a bio-metric analysis system? Who is to say these people aren't geniuses in their own way?
now the next step would be to use some ai to analyze all the famous artists from the past and then filter it through different scenarios
I am sure he would because he still lived his life and career.
Now if his career never took off and his life fell into disarray because an AI started copying all his works before he could get anywhere, he would probably be less enthusiastic I imagine.
1:26 awasome
Where can we go to download the AI? I want to try it on some of my own stuff.
Does anyone know the name of the song with which the video started ?
+Cheap and Safe I want to know it too!
I suggest a parallel :
we could do the same with Mozart's compositions
in order to create a new one. A "musical statistic"...
For sure :
This will sound like Mozart but it will miss Mozart (talent).
Machine replacing human in art has a qualifier : Totalitarianism.
If this Thing can make hentai for me , i am sold.
420 yo smoke it! thats so steeze
It won't be too long before we can copy anything - including ourselves, although the present method of making humans is quite sufficient.. :-)
Amazing
Someone knows the name of the song at the beginning?
Congratulations. You've just invented a more complex Xerox machine.
What a bunch of silly people.
What is this song in the beginning?
Am I the only one who's terrified by the guy saying "I want to touch your soul with ma data"?
Also TNR seems like an old white dude's ode to old white dudes.
Everything is art, if you wanted to be
+DM That's an empty statement.
+DM No it's not, you dipshit.
+royhatts1 An empty statement from an empty person. ;)
can anyone tell me who the music is by at the beginning of the video?
+Selcuk Turkoglu I want to know it too!
Its fascinating. Will this not be a copyright infringement or intellectual property theft tho of some sort ..
Did you use corel Painter or similar software to paint hair on beard and part of the collar (3:55)? And what is that strange triangle at the collar? Is it computer protesting human interaction? :)
Would it be correct to assume that the result is a calculated average of similarities between the works from which it is based?
+Alex Griessel No.
what of music in the background ?
Or as he's now known, Rembrandt van Kerching.
I could consider myself an "artist" or "designer" or whatever, but will never be able to understand the butthurt people complaining about computer's creating something original without even udnerstanding what is going on behind the scenes. Heck you dont even know how you "create" things, how are you supposed to deduce it is not possible to replicate that?
this guys clearly never saw a real rembrandt painting
I have a portrait, don't know if it's a real Rembrandt or not. It's signed by Rembrandt 1661. where can I go online to see if its one of his art work?
It's not next Rembrandt!
It's a tribute to Rembrandt in the AI way.
Copying emotional representation is not creating a new painting any more than creating the new is the same as copying the old. Intelligently creating art is not the same as intelligently creating. copies.
+Wesley Heartland
Art, so far, is creative communication. When Ai starts to communicate with humans, and especially to do so by producing meaningful representations of what it has experienced "intelligently," then we will have to consider that as art. But Ai is a long way from seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, etc., and sharing what those sensations have taught it about its "life" with the humans that created it. If and when it finds some purpose for doing so, that will leave us with something that's no longer all that artificial. Then we might decide that we've found a better way to produce what we've called children. Or we might decide we need to put it in a zoo. Or exterminate it as an inferior race that's acting like it thinks it isn't.
+Wesley Heartland Who said that Ai has to have a zoo?
+Wesley Heartland Simulated existence doesn't know it exists.
+Eliko Beliko I deg to biffer.
+Roy Niles Haters Gonna Hate
IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE A REMBRANDT.............. LOL !!!!!
😊
Deep learning? More like derp learning. That lazy eye is looking miles off to my right, and it's very off-putting. In general I'm impressed, but did no one in this team think that the eyes were bad? If they were able to determine the directions of the faces, it seems like they could have trained the algorithm to make the eyes point in the same directions. Or at least put the pupils near the middle of the irises? That one is inexcusable. This makes me think it's just a mashed-together average of Rembrandt features analyzed separately.
It's looks nice, but there are technical issues with this "painting":
1. there is very basic mistake with the composition!
the head should located at the top third of the canvas, never at the center.
try Google images for "rembrandt portraits" and you immediately see how Rembrandt used to composed his models.
2. the glare on the painting surface reflect different from oil or any neutral resin varnish that painters were used in the past. It's looks just too synthetic.
So, they taught an AI how to be derivative
excuse me, for my sins.
This is not 'The Next Rembrandt', this is 'Average Rembrandt' or ' Median Rembrandt' ..
While absolutely amazing, I'm still not worried about AI taking over. They're incapable of truly creating anything new. They're simply able to recycle what already exists.
+Red Judas Agreed, but isn't that what humans are doing also?
Thomas Harrison Humans are adapting and improving on. We're creating new concepts. The computer here isn't coming up with anything truly new. While yes it is a new painting, it's composed of various other paintings.
+Red Judas That's because AI doesn't exist yet. Only weak AI based on various algorithms. When strong AI will exist it will be capable of creating new things, adapting and evolving. That's it's definition. It will also most likely surpass human level intelligence quite quickly after it's creation because it won't have the physical limitations our brain has.
+gnrcs I am your opinion! But I don't think - like the OP - that, because of this, the robots of the future will try to extinct humanity :)
+Red Judas Wrong, computers can create also.
what this font?
I'm sure its very clever but you're not really telling us exactly what you've done and how. If the software works in the way you imply, you should be able to create more of these.