I think this analysis is absolutely spot on! Tom's absence was very conspicuous and it was strange to me that he made up with Shiv so easily in this episode. It's also highly unlikely to me that mattson didn't already have the US CEO idea in mind, and this is yet another case of Shiv mistakenly thinking herself a genius.
Agreed, Shiv is smart and strong but she is a bit emotional due to the overwhelming situation and and isnt reading Mattson as well as she thinks she can.
I can only see it end in one of two ways. The 3 siblings loose because they fought instead of stand together, or they all lose because kendall became logan to be CEO, which is even more tragic.
Keiran Culkin deserves an award for his performance, this episode highlighted all the kids weaknesses; Roman is emotionally weak, Shiv isn't as smart as she thinks, Kendall can't control his personal life and Connor is just clueless. It's obvious Mattson is playing Shiv and won't make her CEO, Tom has a card up his sleeve.
It's going to be Kendall. Jerermey Strong pretty much confirmed this in an interview when he compared his character's fate to Richard III. (Who became King by destroying everyone close to him.) Jessie Armstrong is a far too intelligent and deliberate storyteller to employ some kind of farcical "bet you didn't see that coming!" ending like having Greg or even Tom ending up in the chair. Kendall's dramatic arc, along with pretty much all of the foreshadowing points directly to him being in the chair at the end. That's the point of the show. The only way to succeed in this late capitalist era is to be a killer--a person drained of all empathy or humanity, and willing to do whatever it takes to win. Kendall succeeds by becoming Logan. And he loses everything in the process.
@@lestonthompson8495 Gerri has a deal because of what Roman did to her. She gets nine figures or she shares his tiny little member with the world. Gerri is just going to sit home with more money than she’ll ever know what to do with.
@@fightsports66 I don't understand the writers and why they are still on the waystar sell, when there are so many people with so much damaging shit on the Roys and Waystar which would make a better story.
Your previous predictions about Kendall seeking full custody, and about Tom not being through with Shiv, both seemed highly implausible to me, but you were right about both! The possibilities for the finale seem wide open. All I know is there’s going to be plenty of betrayals.😅
i got lucky! lol. if im going to be totally honest, i actually wrote this script to say that Roman would be the winning vote for Kendal. I ended up switching my prediction right before i was about to record. And I'm not saying that to hedge. I'm now all aboard the Tom idea. But in a way, I'm almost heartbroken to say that since I know how much it means to Kendal, and have been pulling for his sobriety and succession since the beginning So if Kendal "wins," I'll be happy for him With that said, I think Tom getting CEO is actually the best win for Kendal. He needs to get away from the business. Same thing for Shiv and Roman =)))
@@bridge4 Do you think it's still possible that Daniel Jiménez get declared the winner of the election? Wouldn't that dramatically change the landscape?
@@bridge4I wouldn’t be surprised if Mattson pick Roman just to please Mencken and close the deal…he had a compassionate look on his face with Roman breaking down and I always thought he was playing Shiv.
I hadn't considered that as an option, Rob. hmm... that would be an interesting twist, too! I'll play devil's advocate though. Episode 9 opened up with Shiv seeing Jimenez on the TV saying they would count every vote. So unless a server is found that has the missing votes, it's going to come down to a lengthy court case. It's also worth noting that Election Day happens in November, so even if Jimenez was named the President-elect, he wouldn't be sworn in to office until January (same for Mencken, which is why Kendal was asking Mencken to put out his opinion on the situation instead of acting to actually block the deal)
ooooh, I like that you pointed out Matsson's face during the funeral. You are right that he showed compassion! In the past, I would've said no since Lukas seemed to be opposed to Mencken ideologically. But we've now seen that his business goals come first. As usual, I'll play devil's advocate though. Mencken witnessed Roman's meltdown and didn't seem impressed. Do you think Mencken is still on Team Roman as he was in the past?
I think Roman is very sensitive and the sincerity of Ewan's eulogy made him realize everything was real and maybe how his own eulogy was a self serving move. He's the one who seemed to love Logan in the most guenine way of all the siblings, the raw intensity of Ewan absolutely affected him in a big way in the moment.
I think all the arrows point to Ken becoming Logan, and in this episode we had a further step: he emotionally destroyed Roman ruthlessly to manipulate him ( something he had never gone into before). I think the final conversion will take place in the final episode in a Michael Corleone way, the seeds have been planted… We all expect Kendall to fail again but I think the whole series has given the background for Ken finally go for the kill.
This exactly, I feel like it's strongly hinted at. Kendal has been surprisingly adequate in his profesional life this season. But you can also kind of tell he is selling his soul to the devil a little. He will be succesful and enterily alone by the end I think. The Tom thing could happen I quess, but I just feel it makes more sense to have the conclusion center around Kendal as we've been closest to his journey all along. I feel like Tom winning or not by comparison is a little meaningless as I feel we are more invested in what happens in his marriage and his relation to Greg. I think if they are going for a big surprise at the end, Gerri is a possibility. She has the experience as interim CEO and she is just generally a more professional and capable person then most of the other contenders. Shiv and Roman is still on the table too, but a lot has to happen in the final episode for that to make any sense.
Ken is definitely becoming Logan. It’s like when Logan died he was free to step into those shoes and did, but can he really fill those shoes? Even he’s not sure, and he said as much. It might be too late for him.There’s too much going on now, too many players who want different things now.
I just don’t get people who want Greg to take over? Dude’s just as despicable as the sibs and doesn’t even have any business acumen, him ending up as the successor will just be the most laziest ending. Tom and Kendall are the only logical options.
@@AskMiko what dirt does he have on Ken or even Shiv? The only thing he could have on Roman is his fling with Gerri. And Tom’s controversy is already public so I don’t know what you’re on about here.
Your analysis / recaps are by far the ones I look forward to most. How you’re able to find pertinent clips from prior seasons that looked like throwaway lines at the time make me appreciate the series so much more.
Thanks, squrler. All credit to everyone involved in this show. instead of just churning out non-sensical content, they seem to know and love their story even more than we do as fans. And I guess that's why we love it so much. It's a special show for sure =))
I agree. It's poetic that Tom, who has been working his ass off all season, gets picked as CEO over the 3 nepobabies. This punishes Kendall as after becoming Logan in the way he doesn’t want (in being a bad father) in pursuit of power, still he doesn’t get to become Logan the way he does wants (in business). Shiv gets fucked over and left with nothing but a child she's ambivalent about. Roman, who sides with Shiv only for it to blow up in both of their faces, is completely broken by this, so it wouldn’t surprised me if he kills himself. Roman's death would be a dark cloud over the family (like Rose's death was for her brothers) so that even Ambassador Connor will not be completely happy in the end.
Two options: - History repeats itself: Kendall becomes Logan, being the powerful the great CEO, but completely alone without family (he fights with everyone) and without true friends. -As Logan said about his children: They are not serious people, they are idiots, so their personalities, sins and behavior make them lose the company that their father built. Maybe with a final moral: don't be like those characters because you will lose in the end.
Just rewatched the season 1 and in episode 2 Kendal tells Roman "I love you bro, but you're not a serious person". Just found it interesting. But anyway I feel if any of the siblings won, they'll be alone and abandoned by the rest. Most likely none of them will, which is the only thing that might save them as a family.
You are so right about Tom being CEO. One thing about this show is you've got to be very keen about the cameraman and he was intent on Matsson's facial expression about Tom. The three siblings need to all lose. I think it will be best for them as human beings. They can proceed with their joint venture and hopefully be better human beings and siblings to each other. This will be super hard for Shiv. A major blow to this truce they have and I'm anxious to see whether there will be some growth to her character and how she views Tom. She's never taken him seriously.
My prediction is that the final shot of the series will be Logan's casket silently sitting in its mausoleum and then out of nowhere....BOOM. The lid blows off of it. Logan sits up and we hear one final Fuck Off as Logan sits up, disheveled and out for blood.
It would make sense for Lukas to choose Tom. At the tailgate party Tom basically showed himself to be the perfect puppet: couldn’t even answer whether he was a hands-on guy or not without Lukas’ pre approval. Plus he’s got the experience as head of ATM. Gonna be an interesting final episode.
My money is on Kendall. He had the most character development and evolution, and its true to the title of the show. Tom being the remaining "family " member working in the business doesn't tie up the series nor narrative as nicely.
I think this makes the most sense also and will be the most gratifying. I expect it's not gonna be a clean win at all though. He probably alienates his siblings in the process, sort of losing that last human attachment.
@Bram yes, agree. Similar to Logan's relationship with his brother, I expect his family relationships to be strained as well. Though I suspect there's a family man / father in him that they want to redeem as a part of his journey as well. We'll see soon!
my wording in this video was very dismissive, and i just realized that Greg is totally an option. Matsson might choose Greg and micromanage him until Greg is more prepared to handle the role I stilll think that's unlikely, but Im now thinking its not as "ridiculous" as i said would be pretty hilarious if Greg "wins" though for sure lol
Greg is the least despicable of the lead characters so he gets the job. He is just an unfeeling political opportunist typically seen in major corporations. Mattson screws Shiv over bc he can’t control her but Greg is pliable.
You are one talented man!! Listening to the official pod and you caught on to the little things others reviewers missed. Can't wait for the video for the finale!!
Finally learned from Ewan’s eulogy why their sister was a sore spot for Logan - the fact he lived his entire life thinking he was the cause of her death by giving her polio. Unless they mentioned it before this was the first I heard about it.
I think you're right. I vaguely recall the showrunner saying that it felt like the right time to deliver the extra color during the official after-episode podcast thing.
That scene between Tom and Shiv - when he raises his left hand and bows his head... yes he's exhausted, but it's also partly Tom's long con act of staying close to the family [really Power] through Shiv. Despite his emotional destruction by her approach to their marriage and their recent major fight and marital breakdown, he's wearing his wedding ring and he practically waves it [symbolic of his intended original loyalty] in her face, and the camera cuts to Shiv staring straight at it, before she gives him permission to go her [their] apartment.
i had wanted to do it better, but by the time i got to that part, it'd already been such a long day and i havent eaten yet. im worried that the graphics will be way too small, but hopefully it does the job. thanks, Rena!
Hey Cassie, I did a video about this a few weeks ago. But here's the short version. The family owns shares of Waystar. The family's shares are held in an entity called "Royco Holding Company." the holding company has special rules so that if a family member wants to sell their stock, they have to sell to someone else in the holding company. that is a way to assure that the family's interest in Waystar doesn't go down Marcia inherited Logan's seat on the Holding Company, but not the Board of Waystar
Mattson knew about her pregnancy and Kendall knew about having a US CEO before we saw discussions. I think Kendall and Mattson has a back door to each other.
@@FarnazWallace yes and I didn’t believe it for one second. Either the person who told Hugo was trying to set Kendall and Hugo up or someone has made a deal with Hugo before Kendall did.
@@therealkendallroy Really. In Italy when Logan had outfoxed his three children by going behind their back to their mother to get their mothers vote against them did they show that beforehand. No.
He's definitely grown as a player, but unless Matsson was planning on micromanaging him, Greg would struggle to understand the duties of a CEO, let alone manage and act on them
@@bridge4 Why wasn't Greg at the mausoleum?. He was with Mattson and/or the GoJo team. Greg about to become the new US CEO of GoJoWaystar. Mattson was impressed with his ruthlessness in firing ATN employees, and knows he's naive and striving enough to do as told as a CEO figurehead. What about the other potential candidates? Shiv will not be the willing puppet Mattson wants or needs, and Mattson doesn't respect women much less pregnant ones. Tom's been on the decline mentally and has no political capital. Roman has no respect from Mattson/Menkin after this funeral breakdown, and Greg may have already informed Mattson about his affair with Gerri. Gerri would also be incentivized to betray Roman if she was guaranteed a position in the new company (pulling strings behind Greg). Oh, Greg knows Kendall covered up manslaughter, so there's that he could have disclosed to Mattson as well. Roman, done. Kendall, done. Shiv, done. Tom, done.
Great analysis however I don't think Tom will be chosen, I think Mattson, who won't want to give up any power and won't want to promote someone who isn't loyal, will make Greg the US CEO.
After I hit publish, I realized that my wording on Greg was way too dismissive. The whole Greg puppet idea hadn't clicked until I began chatting with people. So i hear ya CEO is a big job though. Matsson would have to dedicate a lot of time/resources to micro-managing Greg if that was the case. But maybe that will be Oskar's role?
@@bridge4 Think about it like this. The deal for Mattson can't go through UNLESS there's an American CEO. Leading to Matson maybe just wanting someone to control and do pretty much nothing as he does everything himself. Greg is the ONLY Roy that's NOT one of Logan's kids. The board would like the idea of having a Roy still in charge even if it's just for looks. Imagine an ending shot of Greg with the succession music playing behind him. He was the first character to have it play behind him btw. Having him start from the bottom all the way to the very top. Everything you say plays out but I think this is a great move in storytelling. (He's also the first character to say the f word)
In the first episode of the first season, Logan was upset about Kendall leaving work for his birthday. IN this episode Tom chose work over the funeral. Tom is the right choice. If Logan was there, he would choose Tom.
What if Kendall puts Greg in the board seat? He’s family and Kendall thinks he’s on his side after telling him about Shiv. Then it could come down to Greg deciding between Kendall and Mattson, but he could influence Mattson to make himself or Tom CEO.
@@anaskhadri653 yeah I’m iffy on him choosing to support Tom or not, there have been signs that Greg doesn’t like how Tom’s been treating him. Greg being Kendall’s #2 could work too because it was almost foreshadowed in episode 4. I could also see Mattson taking over but making Kendall the CEO as a way to say “I control you now” out of spite for trying to rank the deal but that’s probably too far-fetched.
It was starting to look like Greg would be the puppet CEO, but maybe that’s too crazy… Tom being chosen would be my secret wish. The way Tom missed the funeral to work is such a Logan move. And Mattson and Logan recognized each other as rivals and fellow sharks… I wouldn’t be shocked if Mattson follows a similar Logan logic and chooses Tom. By the end, it was Tom who was the sidekick to Logan instead of any of his blood children. 🤭
I think that Kendall is most likely to win purely for dramaturgical reasons. He is the only one who is able to fully succed Logan - as CEO of Waystar and even more importantly as "neo-Logan". If CEO title goes any other way (Shiv, Tom, Greg whatever), CEO of Waystar position would be less that half as powerful as it used to be, so anyone occupying the spot would not succed Logan completely. Tbh if it all comes down to Roman (which is probable), I think Kendall still wins, because as a "neo-Logan" he will make his brother into submission, just as Logan did in S1E6. This would reinforce idea of Kendall as a killer and a new Logan.
@@1DusDB Mattson won’t pick Shiv for the reason I said before, he doesn’t have any respect for Roman, Ken would never be Mattson’s puppet. He doesn’t like Tom. Greg does what he’s told and he’s a killer. Just give him the knife and point him in the right direction. Perfect for a puppet CEO.
Also Tom working instead of leaving work during a crazy news day like Logan would have wanted in comparison to Kendall who left work in the first episode to see Logan on his birthday. Also Logan calling Tom “son” in season 3. I’m sure there’s been more hints peppered in throughout the shows run
exactly. I should've worded that explicitly, but I left it out since it's implicit in the clip I played (on top of Matsson's facial expression). but you're right. Tom was the one dude who prioritized work over the funeral. And Lukas might have appreciated that.
you took the worlds out of my mouth. I have been pulling for Kendall to "win it" since the begin (along with pulling for his sobriety). That was actually the original ending of my script. (sort of, I took it a step further for fun, but took it out since it was ridiculous) My original ending had Roman voting for Kendal. Then I said something along the lines of. "Last, but not least, I expect Kendal to win not only the company, but to win back Rava as well." Right before I was about to record, I decided that Kendall and Rava making amends is silly with just one episode left. That I was just saying what I wanted as opposed to what seems realistic. And that's when it clicked that I might be predicting Kendall winning wrongly since that's what I want as opposed to what I expect. So right before recording, I moved the "Kendal realizes he was wrong about the danger, and wont pursue full custody" section up to the Kendal part of the video, dropped the "Kendal and Rava become a family again" silly idea, and pulled a 180 on Kendall winning That genuinely hurt me to go a different direction since I've been pulling for Kendall for so long. But the silver lining is that the best "win" for Kendall is to lose the company and move on with his life =))
@@bridge4 Rava will not be getting back with Kendall. He's a monster, and she knows what he's about. He's a danger to her, and her children. In an ideal world, Kendall would lose everything. There's still a small possibility that he'll be found out about drowning, but I think they've closed that off now, with Kendall's bribe/deal with Colin.
First episode: Logan decided to stay on as CEO after Kendall chose to attend his father's birthday party instead of work. Finale: Matsson chooses Tom to be the new CEO because he chose to work instead of attending Logan's funeral. Would be kind of poetic.
you know, I think Greg has a big chance since s1e1, the show literally begin with him on screen, working in his uncle business and the slowly climbing the success ladder...remember who else started working in his uncle business and go from poor to rich after? 😉
That was a great line! I actually had planned on using that in the video, but I took it out for some reason. And now that I'm looking at my script, I don't know why. My memory was that I had removed a line of my own, so it went from Shiv's clip to someone elses clip. But I'm looking at my script and that's not the case based off of where I have the "world of a father" quote ... I dunno. Maybe I struck it off and then moved some stuff around before recording, so I should've pulled it back in. Either way, you're right. great line!!
Tom is actually the most experienced and logical person for the job. I feel like Madsen might choose Greg though. Or Greg could end up on the board somehow.
In an interview, Sarah mentioned there is clue in the official poster & when you look at it your theory is spot on! In the poster you've got shiv, roman & greg on one side, and kendall, tom & connor on the other.
So I just rewatched the “Weeks Ahead” trailer on 1:15 you see Ken’s reaction to Roman’s betrayal…. So it seems you’re right Bridge, Roman will screw Ken again….
I remember that scene and was wondering if it was gonna happen or if it was a red herring…. Finale trailer shows Kendall trying to talk to roman about one king, so their fallout seems inevitable. Roman could be Mattson’s pick for US CEO too…they used to be friends and he may forgive him for his outburst after watching him break down at the funeral.
Sandy and Stewy tho! They keep showing us that he’s hanging out. I think most if not all the eps have shown us Sandy silently observing the goings on. I think the twist will be that Mattson acquires W/R and immediately let’s Sandy and Stewy sell it off in pieces, splitting the best morsels off for himself, and cutting the sibs out completely. Somebody was in that limo with Mattson, and I think it was Stewy. The entire show began with Stewy and Sandy trying to feed WR to private equity. I think it may end with the success of that enterprise.
@@angelcitystudio Yeah they keep showing Sandy, specifically when he’s not doing anything and has no reason to be on camera. Maybe it’s redirection, but there’s a nice symmetry in bringing everybody back to the first season, this time without Logan bad-assing W/R’s efforts to keep Sandy at bay. Stewy even gave Ken that same “why do even want this?” Speech we first saw in S1.
Ok I thought this as well. However they already did this last season with Tom betraying shiv and the siblings. If they did it again it would be kind of wack right?? It’s so many ways this could end. I was thinking that Matson would take over and name Ken as the CEO……
Ken doesn't want to be Matsson's puppet! He's fighting Matsson for the whole enchiladda. I think Matsson would want someone he could control and not have to worry about having a mutiny on his hands. And he knows Tom and greg are yes men...
@@charlespettis208 yeah but if Mattson somehow(most likely through Shiv) gets to know about the waiter, he'd have Kendall's balls in his hands and could make him do whatever he wants. Kendall becomes CEO, but at some cost. It would be a poetic enough ending for a show like Succession.
I think this prediction about Tom is right. Crazy suck ups like Tom always win, 1, Matteson and Menkle never gonna go for a pregnant woman CEO 2 AND in all Honestly Tom is the most deserving of winning in this wild and crazy bunch…so it seems like, it’s the most logical outcome.
Your Succession reviews are my favorite, you manage to look at the characters, rather than just fall for a favorite and push that narrative. Thank you. I would add this, we really don't know that the election results won't be overturned either, do we? I hope it is not Greg, what experience does he actually have? He hasn't worked his way up from the dog outfit, other than to pull a name-dropping connection per his mother's advice. His only skill set, is lying, kissing ass, getting drugs, and blackmail. He isn't one of the children, but he keeps trying to weasel into his own made-up slot, making up names. He screwed Shiv, because she wouldn't pay him off with his blackmail, that he got from Mattson...probably on purpose as Mattson is stirring things up. The only people who dont' want to sell to Mattson are Roman and Ken (the terrible usurper whose hunger to run the company that his father built (everything Ken tries to do fails, no one wants to be around him) and he has no problem putting his father in prison if he could have. Roman is funny in a very mean, sarcastic way, but in no way capable of running anything, he too did not even work, until very recently, recall, he wouldn't even show up to work...at all other than to roll in when he felt like it and leave just as haphazardly. It would be great if Tom ended up doing okay somehow and Shiv and he got back together, and we see Shiv wanting to be a good mom. Shiv does love Tom, she is one of the few who has shown real heart feelings, aside from Romulus, but again, he is very twisted and incapable of mature conversations, it is all quips and connected to partying, 'walk across to the bar', as he says something to that effect to Mencken. Colin does not like Roman, and I don't think he wants to work for him either. He does not respect him, like he at least did Logan. I don't want the show to end. Wait until everyone somehow finds out what Ken the backstabber and Hugo have been up to, that has to come out somehow, some sort of trump card to mess things up too. We don't know what Geri might do, and I think everyone, including Mattson respects her.
"His only skill set, is lying, kissing ass, getting drugs, and blackmail." Exactly! And THAT is exactly what Mattson wants. Oh, add in being obedient to the master, and his ability to fire masses of employees without a sweat, and his ability to party all night and do what Mattson says no matter how cringy and inappropriate. It is going to be Greg. The Swede will get his revenge on the Roy children. If he puts Tom in that means Shiv would still be an issue.
@@derekcarney I think the whole deal is going to blow up, tank waystar too. He could be that much of an idiot and choose Greg who has no absolutely zero business experience or business skills or business leadership other than what I mentioned. You think mattson's that stupid he might be.
I want Kendall to win. Out of all the siblings, he has the most experience and with the right people, I think he can be tough like his father but also be nicer. I think someone like Frank can keep him level headed. Would love for them to team up, Kendal CEO, Roman COO and Shiv be an adviser.
I was struck when the narrator stated that were it a Netflix show Greg would end up as CEO - but this was Succession. Yet I can't help but find it meaningful that the show actually opens with Greg. And that his actions set off more plot points than any other character.
Them all losing in the end would be the safest pick. Of the three sibling successor possibilities, I personally believe Kendall becoming successor would be most satisfying
A lot of people talk about how the sibs are going to lose. I don’t think that’s what’s going to fully happen. I think one of them will be named CEO, but it will feel like a loss. All of their fighting and campaigning for the top job will lead to one of them winning, but at what cost. I feel like the message is going to be like be careful what you wish for.
I def think it’ll be Greg. Or maybe. Somehow. Roman. He was punished for being “too human” at his father’s funeral, I think that pendulum will swing back. In a sea of almost non-human characters.
@@theorderofthebees7308 Correct. So do you think she will go for selling? Or since Shiv didn't really warm up to her at the funeral when Marcia in her own way reached out to Shiv... that she won't want Shiv to be the new CEO? Do you think she would go for Roman/Kendall? Or like the property do you think she will want to sell it quicklyand be off with the cash. And she probably wouldn't mind a European (as Logan and herself both are, right?!) to end up with the company.
@@derekcarney I don't personally think she would care about any of these things. From the way she quickly sold the apartment, and moved on from the Kerry thing, I think she'll want to do what gives her the most advantages. In a way, she is more pragmatic than her stepchildren. Now, how much of that would be billions in cash, or stock in a multibillion dollar company that must get her millions in dividends?
I still think it would be Greg. The show kinda began with him and It will end with him. Logan was right when he told Greg “he will be alright” the fact he’s technically #1 on Logan’s list since Kendall’s name was crossed out showed that he was made to be to be CEO eventually.
I needed this analysis. I have been fantasizing that greg the egg could succeed but you have soundly smashed this idea ... ... unless Ewan can place his grandson on the board (greg is on the piece of paper left by logan) the way sandy placed sandi ... ... and he will side with shiv (mattson). I can't wait for the conclusion. Go greg!
well well well, you are absolutely spot on. You picked up everything, some things I had missed, but my man you have great observation and decuction skills. Even if the writers want to subvert our expectations, you will be mostly right depending on what they have setup so far. And as others mentioned, I love the fact that you connect previous episodes to explain the scenes. Love you man, take care.
It really could go in any direction. I don't see Roman as the CEO so it goes down to Shive vs Kendall. Part of me thinks he started to act more like Logan towards the end of this episode, so I'm guessing the other swat vacated by Logan will be on team Kendall. The voting scene should be epic!! I truly hate to see this show end
I think they are going make Gherri the CEO. Tom is as Shev said, subservant. He is a team player and no way a leader. But it makes sense, he is the ultimate social climber. I just think, don't count the old gaurd out. They are sharp and loyal.
@@Somewhere_sometime_somehow My only question is, who told Mattson that Shiv was pregnant? We know that Kendall and Mattson have had conversations about the deal when the dad was alive. Are Kendall and Mattson working together but both using Shiv? Kendall is very quiet when Mattson is in the room. Kendall is lining up his team because he already needed his siblings out so he could be the soul person standing to be “King”.
@@tammybenaytv4631 i dunno, this is Just a guess. But I think it must be Greg. Like Tom told Greg and Greg told Matsson. Greg already ratted Shiv out to Kendall before.
I really think your right about roman betraying Kendall and siding with shiv. There is a 2 second clip from either season 4 trailer or mid season 4 trailer, where it looks like Kendall pushing roman against a wall with one hand around it neck and face. and it looks like its in the boardroom they are always in. I cant find the clip anymore. Tom definitely gonna be named CEO
Thank you so much for your analysis - one thing that you didn’t mention but is an important detail is that Logan said that when he dies - Marcia gets his vote on the board - Marcis has two votes. And Marcia and Greg are seen talking in episode 4 although their conversation is cut off -I do imagine that she will swing her votes in favor of Greg. I don’t think any of the Roy children will be a successor. And Greg name is on their paper - he is a contender even if. He has a question mark
PERFECT! This scenario reminds me of Cersai's statement "when you play at the game of Thrones, you either win or die". That's how cutthroat this family is. I agree with your prediction. Despite all the mechanations Tom will end up CEO of Maatson's Waystar. This show is incred6!
That would be a great scene for sure. I think it could happen, she's been interim CEO and Matson seems to have a strong dislike of the family dynamic and nepotism.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying, tho I can see it being someone new & everyone getting screwed as the ending too. I do feel Shiv set up this chain of events by connecting Matsson & Mencken, and it’s all over now
I have the exact same prediction but I do believe that Mattson will go with Greg instead of Tom, he is that kind of guy 😂 and then that makes Greg's name being on Logan's will some sort of strange prediction from Logan
I thought a lot about the final and my prediction is that Kendall will become the ceo because the narrative supports it since the show started with Kendall about to be announced as the next ceo after Logan but I think he’s going to lose someone. Either his daughter or Roman will die and Kendall will blame himself for it (I think it will be his daughter) it will be reflective of Logan blaming himself for his sister’s death. And I think the point/ the end will be he finally got what he wanted - to head his father’s company but at what cost ? Especially since he kept saying for the last 2 episodes that he was doing all this for his children.
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Give this guy a medal, incredible predicition. What a guy.
"When you play the Game of Roy's, you run the company....or you just remain wealthy."
Yeah, it’s not very high stakes. On one hand they run the company, on the other they get huge piles of money.
I think this analysis is absolutely spot on! Tom's absence was very conspicuous and it was strange to me that he made up with Shiv so easily in this episode. It's also highly unlikely to me that mattson didn't already have the US CEO idea in mind, and this is yet another case of Shiv mistakenly thinking herself a genius.
Agreed, Shiv is smart and strong but she is a bit emotional due to the overwhelming situation and and isnt reading Mattson as well as she thinks she can.
the neverending shiv Ls hurt me so much lol
@@glitterghost same
I can only see it end in one of two ways. The 3 siblings loose because they fought instead of stand together, or they all lose because kendall became logan to be CEO, which is even more tragic.
why do people on the internet struggle so much with the word 'lose'?
@@BohemianRaichu cause most are non native English speakers I guess
Keiran Culkin deserves an award for his performance, this episode highlighted all the kids weaknesses; Roman is emotionally weak, Shiv isn't as smart as she thinks, Kendall can't control his personal life and Connor is just clueless. It's obvious Mattson is playing Shiv and won't make her CEO, Tom has a card up his sleeve.
And then Greg will pull out his card and screw over Tom?
@@teaching_and_learning Tom CEO, Greg ATN
Let’s not forget that Greg has been talking to mattson. Perhaps he’s the ceo that will be installed.
Kieran has always been great, just like the rest of the cast. But I'm with you. His speech performance was next level!!!
when did logan ever had control over his personal life?
It's going to be Kendall. Jerermey Strong pretty much confirmed this in an interview when he compared his character's fate to Richard III. (Who became King by destroying everyone close to him.) Jessie Armstrong is a far too intelligent and deliberate storyteller to employ some kind of farcical "bet you didn't see that coming!" ending like having Greg or even Tom ending up in the chair. Kendall's dramatic arc, along with pretty much all of the foreshadowing points directly to him being in the chair at the end. That's the point of the show. The only way to succeed in this late capitalist era is to be a killer--a person drained of all empathy or humanity, and willing to do whatever it takes to win. Kendall succeeds by becoming Logan. And he loses everything in the process.
So are you saying that Colin, Tom, Greg, or Gerri couldn't bring Kendall down with the damaging shit they have on the Sibs and the Company?
@@lestonthompson8495I think that’s why he hired Colin and wanted him on his side. He is the only evidence.
@@lestonthompson8495 Gerri has a deal because of what Roman did to her. She gets nine figures or she shares his tiny little member with the world. Gerri is just going to sit home with more money than she’ll ever know what to do with.
@@FarnazWallace Colin could walk away with a pile of money and never work another day in his life, why work for Kendall?
@@fightsports66 I don't understand the writers and why they are still on the waystar sell, when there are so many people with so much damaging shit on the Roys and Waystar which would make a better story.
Your previous predictions about Kendall seeking full custody, and about Tom not being through with Shiv, both seemed highly implausible to me, but you were right about both! The possibilities for the finale seem wide open. All I know is there’s going to be plenty of betrayals.😅
i got lucky! lol. if im going to be totally honest, i actually wrote this script to say that Roman would be the winning vote for Kendal. I ended up switching my prediction right before i was about to record. And I'm not saying that to hedge. I'm now all aboard the Tom idea. But in a way, I'm almost heartbroken to say that since I know how much it means to Kendal, and have been pulling for his sobriety and succession since the beginning
So if Kendal "wins," I'll be happy for him
With that said, I think Tom getting CEO is actually the best win for Kendal. He needs to get away from the business. Same thing for Shiv and Roman =)))
@@bridge4 Do you think it's still possible that Daniel Jiménez get declared the winner of the election? Wouldn't that dramatically change the landscape?
@@bridge4I wouldn’t be surprised if Mattson pick Roman just to please Mencken and close the deal…he had a compassionate look on his face with Roman breaking down and I always thought he was playing Shiv.
I hadn't considered that as an option, Rob. hmm... that would be an interesting twist, too!
I'll play devil's advocate though. Episode 9 opened up with Shiv seeing Jimenez on the TV saying they would count every vote. So unless a server is found that has the missing votes, it's going to come down to a lengthy court case.
It's also worth noting that Election Day happens in November, so even if Jimenez was named the President-elect, he wouldn't be sworn in to office until January (same for Mencken, which is why Kendal was asking Mencken to put out his opinion on the situation instead of acting to actually block the deal)
ooooh, I like that you pointed out Matsson's face during the funeral. You are right that he showed compassion!
In the past, I would've said no since Lukas seemed to be opposed to Mencken ideologically. But we've now seen that his business goals come first.
As usual, I'll play devil's advocate though. Mencken witnessed Roman's meltdown and didn't seem impressed. Do you think Mencken is still on Team Roman as he was in the past?
I think Roman is very sensitive and the sincerity of Ewan's eulogy made him realize everything was real and maybe how his own eulogy was a self serving move. He's the one who seemed to love Logan in the most guenine way of all the siblings, the raw intensity of Ewan absolutely affected him in a big way in the moment.
I think all the arrows point to Ken becoming Logan, and in this episode we had a further step: he emotionally destroyed Roman ruthlessly to manipulate him ( something he had never gone into before). I think the final conversion will take place in the final episode in a Michael Corleone way, the seeds have been planted… We all expect Kendall to fail again but I think the whole series has given the background for Ken finally go for the kill.
This exactly, I feel like it's strongly hinted at. Kendal has been surprisingly adequate in his profesional life this season. But you can also kind of tell he is selling his soul to the devil a little. He will be succesful and enterily alone by the end I think. The Tom thing could happen I quess, but I just feel it makes more sense to have the conclusion center around Kendal as we've been closest to his journey all along. I feel like Tom winning or not by comparison is a little meaningless as I feel we are more invested in what happens in his marriage and his relation to Greg. I think if they are going for a big surprise at the end, Gerri is a possibility. She has the experience as interim CEO and she is just generally a more professional and capable person then most of the other contenders. Shiv and Roman is still on the table too, but a lot has to happen in the final episode for that to make any sense.
Ken is definitely becoming Logan. It’s like when Logan died he was free to step into those shoes and did, but can he really fill those shoes? Even he’s not sure, and he said as much. It might be too late for him.There’s too much going on now, too many players who want different things now.
I just don’t get people who want Greg to take over? Dude’s just as despicable as the sibs and doesn’t even have any business acumen, him ending up as the successor will just be the most laziest ending. Tom and Kendall are the only logical options.
He knows everything is a big dick competition
Greg is just a fan fare choice. He’s the family mole and has dirt on everyone including Tom…
What dirt does he have on shiv, Roman and kendal?
It's likely just kids and immature people who want Greg to take over. They're not watching the same show.
@@AskMiko what dirt does he have on Ken or even Shiv? The only thing he could have on Roman is his fling with Gerri. And Tom’s controversy is already public so I don’t know what you’re on about here.
Your analysis / recaps are by far the ones I look forward to most. How you’re able to find pertinent clips from prior seasons that looked like throwaway lines at the time make me appreciate the series so much more.
Thanks, squrler. All credit to everyone involved in this show. instead of just churning out non-sensical content, they seem to know and love their story even more than we do as fans. And I guess that's why we love it so much. It's a special show for sure =))
I agree. It's poetic that Tom, who has been working his ass off all season, gets picked as CEO over the 3 nepobabies. This punishes Kendall as after becoming Logan in the way he doesn’t want (in being a bad father) in pursuit of power, still he doesn’t get to become Logan the way he does wants (in business). Shiv gets fucked over and left with nothing but a child she's ambivalent about. Roman, who sides with Shiv only for it to blow up in both of their faces, is completely broken by this, so it wouldn’t surprised me if he kills himself. Roman's death would be a dark cloud over the family (like Rose's death was for her brothers) so that even Ambassador Connor will not be completely happy in the end.
Two options:
- History repeats itself: Kendall becomes Logan, being the powerful the great CEO, but completely alone without family (he fights with everyone) and without true friends.
-As Logan said about his children: They are not serious people, they are idiots, so their personalities, sins and behavior make them lose the company that their father built. Maybe with a final moral: don't be like those characters because you will lose in the end.
Just rewatched the season 1 and in episode 2 Kendal tells Roman "I love you bro, but you're not a serious person". Just found it interesting.
But anyway I feel if any of the siblings won, they'll be alone and abandoned by the rest. Most likely none of them will, which is the only thing that might save them as a family.
Nobody can win in this series. Especially the children. They win if they get therapy and move away from the business with their pile of bills.
@@kimberquirky agreed. It’s a Shakespearean tragedy so they all have to “die” which metaphorically is them all losing. No one becomes the successor.
@@amberlisa7365 Ewewn becomes chairman of the board and sets the wheels for it to all tumble down
You are so right about Tom being CEO. One thing about this show is you've got to be very keen about the cameraman and he was intent on Matsson's facial expression about Tom. The three siblings need to all lose. I think it will be best for them as human beings. They can proceed with their joint venture and hopefully be better human beings and siblings to each other. This will be super hard for Shiv. A major blow to this truce they have and I'm anxious to see whether there will be some growth to her character and how she views Tom. She's never taken him seriously.
My prediction is that the final shot of the series will be Logan's casket silently sitting in its mausoleum and then out of nowhere....BOOM. The lid blows off of it. Logan sits up and we hear one final Fuck Off as Logan sits up, disheveled and out for blood.
That's exactly what a Rogue Zombie would say! lol. Please don't eat my brain.
It would make sense for Lukas to choose Tom. At the tailgate party Tom basically showed himself to be the perfect puppet: couldn’t even answer whether he was a hands-on guy or not without Lukas’ pre approval. Plus he’s got the experience as head of ATM. Gonna be an interesting final episode.
nobody wins
My money is on Kendall. He had the most character development and evolution, and its true to the title of the show. Tom being the remaining "family " member working in the business doesn't tie up the series nor narrative as nicely.
I think this makes the most sense also and will be the most gratifying. I expect it's not gonna be a clean win at all though. He probably alienates his siblings in the process, sort of losing that last human attachment.
@Bram yes, agree. Similar to Logan's relationship with his brother, I expect his family relationships to be strained as well. Though I suspect there's a family man / father in him that they want to redeem as a part of his journey as well. We'll see soon!
I'd love to see Tom win it all, even though I want Kendall to win.
my wording in this video was very dismissive, and i just realized that Greg is totally an option. Matsson might choose Greg and micromanage him until Greg is more prepared to handle the role
I stilll think that's unlikely, but Im now thinking its not as "ridiculous" as i said
would be pretty hilarious if Greg "wins" though for sure lol
Greg is the least despicable of the lead characters so he gets the job. He is just an unfeeling political opportunist typically seen in major corporations. Mattson screws Shiv over bc he can’t control her but Greg is pliable.
My thoughts exactly
I don't know. I don't give him a pass. Lil Greggy was becoming as despicable as the rest of the Roys.
I think Tom is going to be Matsson's 'American CEO'. Not on the k!ll list.
You are one talented man!! Listening to the official pod and you caught on to the little things others reviewers missed. Can't wait for the video for the finale!!
thats a very good prediction especially with all the hints shown. nice vid
thanks, Mc FISTO =))
Anyone else noticed that when Mattson says the thing about the US CEO in the car it seems as that he looks at someone specific who's there with him?
Greg gets the new board seat. He asked for it in S1E1. Remember: Logan added him to the piece of paper?
Finally learned from Ewan’s eulogy why their sister was a sore spot for Logan - the fact he lived his entire life thinking he was the cause of her death by giving her polio. Unless they mentioned it before this was the first I heard about it.
I think you're right. I vaguely recall the showrunner saying that it felt like the right time to deliver the extra color during the official after-episode podcast thing.
That scene between Tom and Shiv - when he raises his left hand and bows his head... yes he's exhausted, but it's also partly Tom's long con act of staying close to the family [really Power] through Shiv. Despite his emotional destruction by her approach to their marriage and their recent major fight and marital breakdown, he's wearing his wedding ring and he practically waves it [symbolic of his intended original loyalty] in her face, and the camera cuts to Shiv staring straight at it, before she gives him permission to go her [their] apartment.
agreed Tom leaves after talking to shiv and is the passenger in Mattsons car
another awesome review. Thanks for the Board of Directors graphic, very helpful.
i had wanted to do it better, but by the time i got to that part, it'd already been such a long day and i havent eaten yet. im worried that the graphics will be way too small, but hopefully it does the job. thanks, Rena!
That graphic was great!
Didn’t Marsha inherit Logan’s voting share when he died… giving her two?
@@cassieopia532 great question!!!! I was wondering about Logan’s will and who inherited what!
Hey Cassie, I did a video about this a few weeks ago. But here's the short version. The family owns shares of Waystar. The family's shares are held in an entity called "Royco Holding Company." the holding company has special rules so that if a family member wants to sell their stock, they have to sell to someone else in the holding company. that is a way to assure that the family's interest in Waystar doesn't go down
Marcia inherited Logan's seat on the Holding Company, but not the Board of Waystar
Mattson knew about her pregnancy and Kendall knew about having a US CEO before we saw discussions. I think Kendall and Mattson has a back door to each other.
I was also wondering how Mattson knew Shiv was pregnant
Didn’t they say Ebba told team Kendall about US CEO?
@@FarnazWallace yes and I didn’t believe it for one second. Either the person who told Hugo was trying to set Kendall and Hugo up or someone has made a deal with Hugo before Kendall did.
@@fightsports66 that doesn't even make sense. this isn't a mystery box show; they'd show us if it happened.
@@therealkendallroy Really. In Italy when Logan had outfoxed his three children by going behind their back to their mother to get their mothers vote against them did they show that beforehand. No.
greg isnt that unrealistic, he has proven to be a useful greg to whoever he has gregged for
He's definitely grown as a player, but unless Matsson was planning on micromanaging him, Greg would struggle to understand the duties of a CEO, let alone manage and act on them
@@bridge4 Why wasn't Greg at the mausoleum?. He was with Mattson and/or the GoJo team. Greg about to become the new US CEO of GoJoWaystar. Mattson was impressed with his ruthlessness in firing ATN employees, and knows he's naive and striving enough to do as told as a CEO figurehead. What about the other potential candidates? Shiv will not be the willing puppet Mattson wants or needs, and Mattson doesn't respect women much less pregnant ones. Tom's been on the decline mentally and has no political capital. Roman has no respect from Mattson/Menkin after this funeral breakdown, and Greg may have already informed Mattson about his affair with Gerri. Gerri would also be incentivized to betray Roman if she was guaranteed a position in the new company (pulling strings behind Greg). Oh, Greg knows Kendall covered up manslaughter, so there's that he could have disclosed to Mattson as well. Roman, done. Kendall, done. Shiv, done. Tom, done.
Great analysis however I don't think Tom will be chosen, I think Mattson, who won't want to give up any power and won't want to promote someone who isn't loyal, will make Greg the US CEO.
After I hit publish, I realized that my wording on Greg was way too dismissive. The whole Greg puppet idea hadn't clicked until I began chatting with people. So i hear ya
CEO is a big job though. Matsson would have to dedicate a lot of time/resources to micro-managing Greg if that was the case. But maybe that will be Oskar's role?
I agree. I think Mattson will choose Gerry for CEO.
@@bridge4 Think about it like this. The deal for Mattson can't go through UNLESS there's an American CEO. Leading to Matson maybe just wanting someone to control and do pretty much nothing as he does everything himself. Greg is the ONLY Roy that's NOT one of Logan's kids. The board would like the idea of having a Roy still in charge even if it's just for looks. Imagine an ending shot of Greg with the succession music playing behind him. He was the first character to have it play behind him btw. Having him start from the bottom all the way to the very top. Everything you say plays out but I think this is a great move in storytelling. (He's also the first character to say the f word)
In the first episode of the first season, Logan was upset about Kendall leaving work for his birthday. IN this episode Tom chose work over the funeral. Tom is the right choice. If Logan was there, he would choose Tom.
Your prediction was incredibly accurate!!!
How could you pull that off?
You are a genius ❤❤❤
What if Kendall puts Greg in the board seat? He’s family and Kendall thinks he’s on his side after telling him about Shiv. Then it could come down to Greg deciding between Kendall and Mattson, but he could influence Mattson to make himself or Tom CEO.
I don't think Greg will put tom over him now he will try to support ken and take second pos or try to go for CEO with Mattson
@@anaskhadri653 yeah I’m iffy on him choosing to support Tom or not, there have been signs that Greg doesn’t like how Tom’s been treating him. Greg being Kendall’s #2 could work too because it was almost foreshadowed in episode 4. I could also see Mattson taking over but making Kendall the CEO as a way to say “I control you now” out of spite for trying to rank the deal but that’s probably too far-fetched.
Logan appoints Ewewn or Marcia to chairman of the board and everyone gets screwed
It was starting to look like Greg would be the puppet CEO, but maybe that’s too crazy… Tom being chosen would be my secret wish. The way Tom missed the funeral to work is such a Logan move. And Mattson and Logan recognized each other as rivals and fellow sharks… I wouldn’t be shocked if Mattson follows a similar Logan logic and chooses Tom. By the end, it was Tom who was the sidekick to Logan instead of any of his blood children. 🤭
I think that Kendall is most likely to win purely for dramaturgical reasons. He is the only one who is able to fully succed Logan - as CEO of Waystar and even more importantly as "neo-Logan". If CEO title goes any other way (Shiv, Tom, Greg whatever), CEO of Waystar position would be less that half as powerful as it used to be, so anyone occupying the spot would not succed Logan completely.
Tbh if it all comes down to Roman (which is probable), I think Kendall still wins, because as a "neo-Logan" he will make his brother into submission, just as Logan did in S1E6. This would reinforce idea of Kendall as a killer and a new Logan.
Mattson won’t pick Shiv. He’s not stupid. He sees how disloyal she is. He’ll pick Greg.
Omg, that would be amazing
Greg? for such a key position? why?
@@1DusDB Mattson won’t pick Shiv for the reason I said before, he doesn’t have any respect for Roman, Ken would never be Mattson’s puppet. He doesn’t like Tom. Greg does what he’s told and he’s a killer. Just give him the knife and point him in the right direction. Perfect for a puppet CEO.
@@1DusDB He'd be a loyal puppet.
Brilliant!! I will go back to find ur commentary on previous episodes. U r a standout
Also Tom working instead of leaving work during a crazy news day like Logan would have wanted in comparison to Kendall who left work in the first episode to see Logan on his birthday. Also Logan calling Tom “son” in season 3. I’m sure there’s been more hints peppered in throughout the shows run
exactly. I should've worded that explicitly, but I left it out since it's implicit in the clip I played (on top of Matsson's facial expression). but you're right. Tom was the one dude who prioritized work over the funeral. And Lukas might have appreciated that.
Good point. He did eat his chicken.
well done! Alexander mentions that very scene at the church in his post finale interview. Brilliant catch
Team Kendall all day. 😂😂 L to the OG solidified that for me way back then.
That's actually a great finale, but i kinda wish seeing Kendall winning this thing.
Why is that?
I thought they did their best to make him appear borderline evil this episode, which is he.
He's a weak, vacillating man.
you took the worlds out of my mouth. I have been pulling for Kendall to "win it" since the begin (along with pulling for his sobriety). That was actually the original ending of my script. (sort of, I took it a step further for fun, but took it out since it was ridiculous)
My original ending had Roman voting for Kendal. Then I said something along the lines of. "Last, but not least, I expect Kendal to win not only the company, but to win back Rava as well."
Right before I was about to record, I decided that Kendall and Rava making amends is silly with just one episode left. That I was just saying what I wanted as opposed to what seems realistic. And that's when it clicked that I might be predicting Kendall winning wrongly since that's what I want as opposed to what I expect.
So right before recording, I moved the "Kendal realizes he was wrong about the danger, and wont pursue full custody" section up to the Kendal part of the video, dropped the "Kendal and Rava become a family again" silly idea, and pulled a 180 on Kendall winning
That genuinely hurt me to go a different direction since I've been pulling for Kendall for so long. But the silver lining is that the best "win" for Kendall is to lose the company and move on with his life =))
@@bridge4 Rava will not be getting back with Kendall.
He's a monster, and she knows what he's about.
He's a danger to her, and her children.
In an ideal world, Kendall would lose everything.
There's still a small possibility that he'll be found out about drowning, but I think they've closed that off now, with Kendall's bribe/deal with Colin.
@@w0mblemania does being “evil” really matter lad?🤔whoever wins they’re going to be morally corrupt
@@raymondsims7042 It's drama. Being evil matters. Lad.
First episode: Logan decided to stay on as CEO after Kendall chose to attend his father's birthday party instead of work.
Finale: Matsson chooses Tom to be the new CEO because he chose to work instead of attending Logan's funeral.
Would be kind of poetic.
Greg!! He should get everything
Deep down I just want them all to lose, but I know that won't happen! 😅
lol
That's entirely possible!
Greg
Same
Yep, I want them all to lose too.
What I love about this show is that there are no redeeming figures.
Dude, I think you’re right! Last night I got the sense that the CEO seat will be Tom’s!
The AUDACITY of Kendall wanting full custody for kids he NEVER sees. It was is damn ego.
honestly, i really like the idea of roman standing up to his abuser, and voting to sell.
you know, I think Greg has a big chance since s1e1, the show literally begin with him on screen, working in his uncle business and the slowly climbing the success ladder...remember who else started working in his uncle business and go from poor to rich after? 😉
Tbh that would be a shitty ending
@@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult all the contrary it's most logical one
@@axis7879 Yeah, because that would be the biggest "eff off" to the Roy children. The Swede thinks they are clowns.
Actually the show began with kendall
Greg is the first character with the succession music behind him btw
You do a great job with the recaps. I enjoy watching them.
Shiv will win, I believe.
Great vid. I personally likes shiv’s speech. “My world of a father” hit hard
Her metaphor of the "sun beaming" to whomever got attention from Logan is a common metaphor between kids of narcissists.
That was a great line! I actually had planned on using that in the video, but I took it out for some reason. And now that I'm looking at my script, I don't know why. My memory was that I had removed a line of my own, so it went from Shiv's clip to someone elses clip. But I'm looking at my script and that's not the case based off of where I have the "world of a father" quote ... I dunno. Maybe I struck it off and then moved some stuff around before recording, so I should've pulled it back in. Either way, you're right. great line!!
@@bridge4 hahah that’s gotta happen when ur making such in-depth vids! You covered pretty much everything else I had thought of. Loved it
I think Greg has to betray Tom in the end. So he might just undermine him at the key moment.
Maybe some quad squad type shit? The disgusting brothers tho...
@@Somewhere_sometime_somehow he still has a page or two he saved from the burning documents
It’s going to be Kendall, it’s always been Kendall.
The subtle way Gerri turned her back to Logan's "ladies" was such a badass move!
Yeah. Jerri and Roman are my favorite characters by a landslide.
Tom is actually the most experienced and logical person for the job. I feel like Madsen might choose Greg though. Or Greg could end up on the board somehow.
In an interview, Sarah mentioned there is clue in the official poster & when you look at it your theory is spot on! In the poster you've got shiv, roman & greg on one side, and kendall, tom & connor on the other.
Jeremy Strong, or “Kendall” is on the last two podcasts for HBO’s follow-up (ep. 9 and ep. 10). That may tell you something.
So I just rewatched the “Weeks Ahead” trailer on 1:15 you see Ken’s reaction to Roman’s betrayal…. So it seems you’re right Bridge, Roman will screw Ken again….
I remember that scene and was wondering if it was gonna happen or if it was a red herring…. Finale trailer shows Kendall trying to talk to roman about one king, so their fallout seems inevitable. Roman could be Mattson’s pick for US CEO too…they used to be friends and he may forgive him for his outburst after watching him break down at the funeral.
Wow- I love the way you laid this out- didn’t think of it - but you may have it right.
I'm loving the Colin story arc.
Sandy and Stewy tho! They keep showing us that he’s hanging out. I think most if not all the eps have shown us Sandy silently observing the goings on. I think the twist will be that Mattson acquires W/R and immediately let’s Sandy and Stewy sell it off in pieces, splitting the best morsels off for himself, and cutting the sibs out completely. Somebody was in that limo with Mattson, and I think it was Stewy. The entire show began with Stewy and Sandy trying to feed WR to private equity. I think it may end with the success of that enterprise.
I believe there will be a betrayal as well. I don't even know if Lukas will win or not.
I know... I keep thinking Sandy and Stewy are going to strike quick and hard at some point.
@@angelcitystudio Yeah they keep showing Sandy, specifically when he’s not doing anything and has no reason to be on camera. Maybe it’s redirection, but there’s a nice symmetry in bringing everybody back to the first season, this time without Logan bad-assing W/R’s efforts to keep Sandy at bay. Stewy even gave Ken that same “why do even want this?” Speech we first saw in S1.
Anyone who thinks Shiv will be CEO hasn’t been paying attention. If Shiv wins CEO then the writers are about to S the bed.
This prediction is so legit! Makes sense completely!!!!!!!!!
Ok I thought this as well. However they already did this last season with Tom betraying shiv and the siblings. If they did it again it would be kind of wack right?? It’s so many ways this could end. I was thinking that Matson would take over and name Ken as the CEO……
Ken doesn't want to be Matsson's puppet! He's fighting Matsson for the whole enchiladda. I think Matsson would want someone he could control and not have to worry about having a mutiny on his hands. And he knows Tom and greg are yes men...
@@charlespettis208 yeah but if Mattson somehow(most likely through Shiv) gets to know about the waiter, he'd have Kendall's balls in his hands and could make him do whatever he wants. Kendall becomes CEO, but at some cost. It would be a poetic enough ending for a show like Succession.
I think this prediction about Tom is right. Crazy suck ups like Tom always win, 1, Matteson and Menkle never gonna go for a pregnant woman CEO 2 AND in all
Honestly Tom is the most deserving of winning in this wild and crazy bunch…so it seems like, it’s the most logical outcome.
I can't wait for the final episode man. It's gonna be wild.
He gives the board seat to Tom is another option and Tom fully betrays Shiv 😂😂😂
Brilliant breakdown, Kev!!
Your Succession reviews are my favorite, you manage to look at the characters, rather than just fall for a favorite and push that narrative. Thank you. I would add this, we really don't know that the election results won't be overturned either, do we? I hope it is not Greg, what experience does he actually have? He hasn't worked his way up from the dog outfit, other than to pull a name-dropping connection per his mother's advice. His only skill set, is lying, kissing ass, getting drugs, and blackmail. He isn't one of the children, but he keeps trying to weasel into his own made-up slot, making up names. He screwed Shiv, because she wouldn't pay him off with his blackmail, that he got from Mattson...probably on purpose as Mattson is stirring things up. The only people who dont' want to sell to Mattson are Roman and Ken (the terrible usurper whose hunger to run the company that his father built (everything Ken tries to do fails, no one wants to be around him) and he has no problem putting his father in prison if he could have. Roman is funny in a very mean, sarcastic way, but in no way capable of running anything, he too did not even work, until very recently, recall, he wouldn't even show up to work...at all other than to roll in when he felt like it and leave just as haphazardly.
It would be great if Tom ended up doing okay somehow and Shiv and he got back together, and we see Shiv wanting to be a good mom. Shiv does love Tom, she is one of the few who has shown real heart feelings, aside from Romulus, but again, he is very twisted and incapable of mature conversations, it is all quips and connected to partying, 'walk across to the bar', as he says something to that effect to Mencken. Colin does not like Roman, and I don't think he wants to work for him either. He does not respect him, like he at least did Logan. I don't want the show to end. Wait until everyone somehow finds out what Ken the backstabber and Hugo have been up to, that has to come out somehow, some sort of trump card to mess things up too.
We don't know what Geri might do, and I think everyone, including Mattson respects her.
"His only skill set, is lying, kissing ass, getting drugs, and blackmail." Exactly! And THAT is exactly what Mattson wants. Oh, add in being obedient to the master, and his ability to fire masses of employees without a sweat, and his ability to party all night and do what Mattson says no matter how cringy and inappropriate. It is going to be Greg. The Swede will get his revenge on the Roy children. If he puts Tom in that means Shiv would still be an issue.
@@derekcarney I think the whole deal is going to blow up, tank waystar too.
He could be that much of an idiot and choose Greg who has no absolutely zero business experience or business skills or business leadership other than what I mentioned.
You think mattson's that stupid he might be.
It’s either Tom or Ken but for me I want Kendall to win. He deserves it the most but also acts more like Logan and he’s the killer we need
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So ready to watch this
thanks for the support, bubre!!
I want Kendall to win. Out of all the siblings, he has the most experience and with the right people, I think he can be tough like his father but also be nicer. I think someone like Frank can keep him level headed. Would love for them to team up, Kendal CEO, Roman COO and Shiv be an adviser.
I think the most likely outcome is that yes Kendal becomes CEO, but no he is not any better then his father by the end.
I was struck when the narrator stated that were it a Netflix show Greg would end up as CEO - but this was Succession.
Yet I can't help but find it meaningful that the show actually opens with Greg. And that his actions set off more plot points than any other character.
We need the analysis of EVERYTHING of the finale!!!
Them all losing in the end would be the safest pick. Of the three sibling successor possibilities, I personally believe Kendall becoming successor would be most satisfying
They won't really "lose" though, if they lose. They get $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
A lot of people talk about how the sibs are going to lose. I don’t think that’s what’s going to fully happen. I think one of them will be named CEO, but it will feel like a loss. All of their fighting and campaigning for the top job will lead to one of them winning, but at what cost. I feel like the message is going to be like be careful what you wish for.
I can't wait for Stewy's position. Plus as soon as he opens his mouth I know I'm going to get a giggle.
I def think it’ll be Greg. Or maybe. Somehow. Roman. He was punished for being “too human” at his father’s funeral, I think that pendulum will swing back. In a sea of almost non-human characters.
Doesnt Marcia get two votes after the papers were signed on season 1?
Yes she does! I just wrote that in my comment - Logan says in their event of demise Marcia gets my board vote
@@theorderofthebees7308 Correct. So do you think she will go for selling? Or since Shiv didn't really warm up to her at the funeral when Marcia in her own way reached out to Shiv... that she won't want Shiv to be the new CEO? Do you think she would go for Roman/Kendall? Or like the property do you think she will want to sell it quicklyand be off with the cash. And she probably wouldn't mind a European (as Logan and herself both are, right?!) to end up with the company.
@@derekcarney I don't personally think she would care about any of these things. From the way she quickly sold the apartment, and moved on from the Kerry thing, I think she'll want to do what gives her the most advantages. In a way, she is more pragmatic than her stepchildren. Now, how much of that would be billions in cash, or stock in a multibillion dollar company that must get her millions in dividends?
If they lose, the funniest thing about it will be that it happened in the span of about a week or so. Karma moves quickly sometimes.
Seeing Tom and Greg come out on top could be a 😮 but 🎉 moment
I still think it would be Greg. The show kinda began with him and It will end with him. Logan was right when he told Greg “he will be alright” the fact he’s technically #1 on Logan’s list since Kendall’s name was crossed out showed that he was made to be to be CEO eventually.
Kendall is picking Greg to replace Logan, and Greg will betray him.
I needed this analysis. I have been fantasizing that greg the egg could succeed but you have soundly smashed this idea ... ... unless Ewan can place his grandson on the board (greg is on the piece of paper left by logan) the way sandy placed sandi ... ... and he will side with shiv (mattson). I can't wait for the conclusion. Go greg!
The wives and lovers scene/group were my favorite ❤
well well well, you are absolutely spot on. You picked up everything, some things I had missed, but my man you have great observation and decuction skills. Even if the writers want to subvert our expectations, you will be mostly right depending on what they have setup so far. And as others mentioned, I love the fact that you connect previous episodes to explain the scenes. Love you man, take care.
It really could go in any direction. I don't see Roman as the CEO so it goes down to Shive vs Kendall. Part of me thinks he started to act more like Logan towards the end of this episode, so I'm guessing the other swat vacated by Logan will be on team Kendall. The voting scene should be epic!! I truly hate to see this show end
I think they are going make Gherri the CEO. Tom is as Shev said, subservant. He is a team player and no way a leader. But it makes sense, he is the ultimate social climber. I just think, don't count the old gaurd out. They are sharp and loyal.
My quess would also be if not Kendal then Gerri
@@Somewhere_sometime_somehow My only question is, who told Mattson that Shiv was pregnant? We know that Kendall and Mattson have had conversations about the deal when the dad was alive. Are Kendall and Mattson working together but both using Shiv? Kendall is very quiet when Mattson is in the room. Kendall is lining up his team because he already needed his siblings out so he could be the soul person standing to be “King”.
@@tammybenaytv4631 i dunno, this is Just a guess. But I think it must be Greg. Like Tom told Greg and Greg told Matsson. Greg already ratted Shiv out to Kendall before.
I really think your right about roman betraying Kendall and siding with shiv. There is a 2 second clip from either season 4 trailer or mid season 4 trailer, where it looks like Kendall pushing roman against a wall with one hand around it neck and face. and it looks like its in the boardroom they are always in. I cant find the clip anymore. Tom definitely gonna be named CEO
holy man, you actually got it
This guy has the script.
Thank you so much for your analysis - one thing that you didn’t mention but is an important detail is that Logan said that when he dies - Marcia gets his vote on the board - Marcis has two votes. And Marcia and Greg are seen talking in episode 4 although their conversation is cut off -I do imagine that she will swing her votes in favor of Greg. I don’t think any of the Roy children will be a successor. And Greg name is on their paper - he is a contender even if. He has a question mark
I don't think Greg is very likely, but great reminder about Marcia's board seats.
PERFECT! This scenario reminds me of Cersai's statement "when you play at the game of Thrones, you either win or die". That's how cutthroat this family is. I agree with your prediction. Despite all the mechanations Tom will end up CEO of Maatson's Waystar. This show is incred6!
Man I think it will be very shocking if Tom wins this. But I’m here for it
Dude, I can’t believe you were spot on.
I think you nailed it!!! Good analysis....
I just realized how much I want to see Gerri in conversation with Mattson
That would be a great scene for sure. I think it could happen, she's been interim CEO and Matson seems to have a strong dislike of the family dynamic and nepotism.
@@Somewhere_sometime_somehow even. better. 😈
Roman's moment was so powerful
This is exactly what I’ve been saying, tho I can see it being someone new & everyone getting screwed as the ending too. I do feel Shiv set up this chain of events by connecting Matsson & Mencken, and it’s all over now
I came here after the finale to see what you predicted. Wow. You were right.
The board wouldn't ok Greg becoming CEO. Jerri should be CEO.
I just hope Greg somehow ends up way on top! GO GREG THE EGG
I have the exact same prediction but I do believe that Mattson will go with Greg instead of Tom, he is that kind of guy 😂 and then that makes Greg's name being on Logan's will some sort of strange prediction from Logan
I think this prediction is on point. It's still a win for Greg, who will Tom will keep on.
I thought a lot about the final and my prediction is that Kendall will become the ceo because the narrative supports it since the show started with Kendall about to be announced as the next ceo after Logan but I think he’s going to lose someone. Either his daughter or Roman will die and Kendall will blame himself for it (I think it will be his daughter) it will be reflective of Logan blaming himself for his sister’s death. And I think the point/ the end will be he finally got what he wanted - to head his father’s company but at what cost ? Especially since he kept saying for the last 2 episodes that he was doing all this for his children.