Melissa - You are soo sweet! I am feeling all the feels, denial/sad/happy/excited for this new stage of life. Our little boy just turned 4 (our little girl is 6) and it feels like the baby stage is over and this still little but now a "big kid" phase has begun. But saying it out loud felt weird for me too! haha
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy my twins are 7, and they’ve really become their own little people these days. I LOVE getting to know them and their interests, but It’s always a bit bitter sweet to realize our baby days are over!
I absolutely love your channel and have been following since the very beginning. But just a tiny thing - please don’t use the phrase “underage women” and the shorthand “women” to describe the girls married under 18. I am a lawyer working with survivors of sexual abuse, and the use of the word “women” rather than “girl” is really problematic and contributes to perpetuating the myth of choice, agency and victim blaming of the survivors.
It is not always easy though to use the right words. Eg in England until this year (and in Scotland even now) people can marry at 16 with parents' consent (and join the army). Not every country (nor every US state) has a legal age either for age of majority in law or age for marital relations (the latter being age 16 in the UK).
Sam I’m only getting to this one today. (I’m a month late!). I often think about your family, your mother and sister especially. It must be so hard to know how badly they were/are lied to and treated. My love and prayers go out to you. Just hug Melissa and your little ones tight to you! ❤❤
Melissa- You are soo sweet! I am so not ready for it either! But our little boy just turned 4 (our little girl is 6) and it feels like the baby stage is over and I am feeling all the feels, denial/sad/happy/excited for this new "big kid" stage of life. But saying it out loud felt weird for me too! haha
Seth is one of my mom's brother whom I have never met. I have known for a long time that my mom came from a family with a very abusive father. Seth's comment about feeling somewhat responsible for not standing up sooner hit home for me.
I watched all 3 parts sometime back when it came out. It was interesting. I knew her story but other versions I had heard were not as detailed. For example, I knew she escaped by climbing out a window and running, but I thought that was it and she got free afterwards. Apparently not. I knew she had bought Warren's former home and turned it into a place for people to get help, but there was an awful lot in between those 2 events. I had no idea about them constantly trying to get her to kill herself and threatening to kill her. She raises an interesting point that she thinks Warren used the houses of hiding to hide witnesses to his crimes, like her. She also shared more here about the PTSD symptoms she suffered after leaving and I think this is important because it was help people in the general public to be more aware of what these folks are going through and how much support they need.
Same here. I always thought she was one of the most interesting escapees particularly as she went to Texas so was party to the activities there in the later stages and was a wife of WJ, I saw a few interview with her earlier on and now she seems much more established on the outside. Good luck to her.
I'm amazed how much I can relate to these stories as far as the gaslighting and mind games. I was never FLDS. I was in an independent church but it was abusive and manipulative. Different beliefs to an extent but human nature and controlling individuals don't really have different tactics. Thanks for sharing. I love your channel!
I went to the local LDS Temple open house today. It's a smaller temple. It was nice to see the baptismal font, and the Celestial room. When I was married I never remembered going to the instruction rooms. I'm glad my mom took me. And then afterwards we went to Trader Joes to get stuff for lunch. Nice day. Also, they showed us a video before the tour started. Also, lots of sister missionaries, a few elders. But it seemed like they called in all t he sister missionaries from the area. It was nice they didn't pressure us. Like with an information/visitor's card and stuff, and they did not hand out Books of Mormon. Also, lots of kids, I was not expecting that. I wore a skirt with a sweater because it was cold in the morning. And GPS almost completely goofed us up, we arrived impeccably.
It’s just so sad they are so brainwashed that when the hypocrisy is so blatant and in their face, they still choose to follow him. The man is hiding because what he did was wrong, but even if you don’t think that, he’s taken away anything and everything from the followers, but he’s running around in a red car, going to Disneyland, spending all this money, breaking all the rules that he makes the others live by but somehow he still is a prophet.
so whats the deal w naomie jeffs then?? bc i remember in the documentary she was in she directly said about the heavenly sessions that nothing sexual went on at all. is she just lying? with these new women and court evidence coming out to the contrary it seems really odd. she still seemed very loyal to him.
Based on everything I’ve seen/read about the FLDS (and that’s everything I can get my hands on) I’m just going to say it: Naomi Jeffs is a lying lier who lies. Her account is corroborated by no one and contradicts many. Notice all the times in that documentary she says “I don’t want to talk about that.” Read Elissa Wall’s book “Stolen Innocence”.
Yeah I saw that too. Wow. Her stepmother has written two books, of her experiences being wife number 4 to naomies dad. Very good at explaining the psychology of the wives and why warren wanted younger and younger girls.
Haha, "Sam's an apostate", and he goes Woop woop (timer 22:40). Truth is, all mankind has fallen into this mortal schooling, but any group that violates children are apostates.
I might be wrong but isn’t it thought when he married his fathers younger wives they still saw it as very incestuous most likely the marriages between Rulon and the young wives where never consumed.
It angers me that he is allowed to have all those visitors at once and then continue to run this cult. I know inmates have rights but this is blatant harmful behavior related to his conviction so seems as would be legal and appropriate measures that could be taken to restrict this activity
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. To me, this is what Warren, and to a lesser effect Rulon did to ruin the Short Creek community. While I’m atheist/agnostic so no religion makes sense to me, but this one man rule doctrine allowed for the prophet to abuse their power. Even the Centennial Park community believes in a council. I don’t believe in their religion either & they still have a patriarchal society, but I at least respect that the woman chooses their husband by revelation. And having a council minimizes the likelihood of abuse of power. I’m sure they have their negatives, but it doesn’t seem nearly as disfunctional and abusive. I’m curious how the FLDS could have maintained a decent society if they had a more benevolent prophet that wasn’t also a pedophile. OR was it I inevitable that a power-hungry leader who is corrupted absolutely would have come along, even if it hadn’t been Warren. These are the things I think about. 😢
I get them wanting to have a few each because of the belief system but having 60 and then pushing young men out from their families because you don’t want them to take the women but you The prophet have 60 wives 😮
I know all religions have different beliefs and try not to judge, but come on. The belief that need three wives to be allowed into heaven. That this what god would use to measure your worthiness. It’s so illogical it’s laughable.
A man with many "girl" friends doesn't make him a pervert. Only being a pervert makes one a pervert, which obviously Warren was, by his own confessions and tape recordings.
The subtle switch from “two beautiful babies” to “two beautiful kids” in your intro tugs at my momma heart strings!
100%. Why the heck do they grow so quickly?! 😢😩
Could it be because the children have GROWN?
Melissa - You are soo sweet! I am feeling all the feels, denial/sad/happy/excited for this new stage of life. Our little boy just turned 4 (our little girl is 6) and it feels like the baby stage is over and this still little but now a "big kid" phase has begun. But saying it out loud felt weird for me too! haha
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy we have 10, 12 and 16 and I am still in denial of them growing up. Although, every stage has been amazing. ❤️❤️
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy my twins are 7, and they’ve really become their own little people these days. I LOVE getting to know them and their interests, but It’s always a bit bitter sweet to realize our baby days are over!
You two have a great style of presenting the facts in a non-judge-mental way.
I absolutely love your channel and have been following since the very beginning.
But just a tiny thing - please don’t use the phrase “underage women” and the shorthand “women” to describe the girls married under 18. I am a lawyer working with survivors of sexual abuse, and the use of the word “women” rather than “girl” is really problematic and contributes to perpetuating the myth of choice, agency and victim blaming of the survivors.
Seconded
It is not always easy though to use the right words. Eg in England until this year (and in Scotland even now) people can marry at 16 with parents' consent (and join the army). Not every country (nor every US state) has a legal age either for age of majority in law or age for marital relations (the latter being age 16 in the UK).
What about hebephilia and ephebephilia?
Yes… that really stood out
@@RichardAugustMatthew19Manwhat about them? Who cares...
Sam I’m only getting to this one today. (I’m a month late!). I often think about your family, your mother and sister especially. It must be so hard to know how badly they were/are lied to and treated. My love and prayers go out to you. Just hug Melissa and your little ones tight to you! ❤❤
I love this channel. I am fascinated by cults, and learning from someone who managed to escape one is heartening.
Omg, I was SO not ready for “two beautiful kids” instead of “two beautiful babies”. Totally needs a content warning 😭
Melissa- You are soo sweet! I am so not ready for it either! But our little boy just turned 4 (our little girl is 6) and it feels like the baby stage is over and I am feeling all the feels, denial/sad/happy/excited for this new "big kid" stage of life. But saying it out loud felt weird for me too! haha
Great video! I watched all episodes of prisoner of the profit I felt terrible for Brielle glad she got out and got the help she needed💕💕💕🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for talking about these human beings with respect.
Thank you for your honesty and transparency.
Seth is one of my mom's brother whom I have never met. I have known for a long time that my mom came from a family with a very abusive father. Seth's comment about feeling somewhat responsible for not standing up sooner hit home for me.
Would love to hear you comment on the trial in Idaho covering Lori Vallow Daybell!
Danya
I watched all 3 parts sometime back when it came out. It was interesting. I knew her story but other versions I had heard were not as detailed. For example, I knew she escaped by climbing out a window and running, but I thought that was it and she got free afterwards. Apparently not. I knew she had bought Warren's former home and turned it into a place for people to get help, but there was an awful lot in between those 2 events. I had no idea about them constantly trying to get her to kill herself and threatening to kill her. She raises an interesting point that she thinks Warren used the houses of hiding to hide witnesses to his crimes, like her. She also shared more here about the PTSD symptoms she suffered after leaving and I think this is important because it was help people in the general public to be more aware of what these folks are going through and how much support they need.
Same here. I always thought she was one of the most interesting escapees particularly as she went to Texas so was party to the activities there in the later stages and was a wife of WJ, I saw a few interview with her earlier on and now she seems much more established on the outside. Good luck to her.
God has a special place in heck for people like him.
I'm amazed how much I can relate to these stories as far as the gaslighting and mind games. I was never FLDS. I was in an independent church but it was abusive and manipulative. Different beliefs to an extent but human nature and controlling individuals don't really have different tactics. Thanks for sharing. I love your channel!
You guys should try and interview Christine katas she lives in Hilldale and currently works with the FLDS often
...or Jesus.
I feel so bad for the women who were married to Warren he’s so creeped looking 😢
I read that immediately after Rulon’s death, Warren addressed the men in the cult and said, “Hands off my father’s wives!”
Hey Sam & Melissa!
I went to the local LDS Temple open house today. It's a smaller temple. It was nice to see the baptismal font, and the Celestial room. When I was married I never remembered going to the instruction rooms. I'm glad my mom took me. And then afterwards we went to Trader Joes to get stuff for lunch. Nice day. Also, they showed us a video before the tour started. Also, lots of sister missionaries, a few elders. But it seemed like they called in all t he sister missionaries from the area. It was nice they didn't pressure us. Like with an information/visitor's card and stuff, and they did not hand out Books of Mormon. Also, lots of kids, I was not expecting that. I wore a skirt with a sweater because it was cold in the morning. And GPS almost completely goofed us up, we arrived impeccably.
It’s just so sad they are so brainwashed that when the hypocrisy is so blatant and in their face, they still choose to follow him. The man is hiding because what he did was wrong, but even if you don’t think that, he’s taken away anything and everything from the followers, but he’s running around in a red car, going to Disneyland, spending all this money, breaking all the rules that he makes the others live by but somehow he still is a prophet.
Would you ever review Sam's own documentary?
Not young women....young girls...children
What streaming service is this on?
so whats the deal w naomie jeffs then?? bc i remember in the documentary she was in she directly said about the heavenly sessions that nothing sexual went on at all. is she just lying? with these new women and court evidence coming out to the contrary it seems really odd. she still seemed very loyal to him.
Based on everything I’ve seen/read about the FLDS (and that’s everything I can get my hands on) I’m just going to say it: Naomi Jeffs is a lying lier who lies. Her account is corroborated by no one and contradicts many. Notice all the times in that documentary she says “I don’t want to talk about that.” Read Elissa Wall’s book “Stolen Innocence”.
She must have been lying.
Brainwashed, and/or fearful (knife in the back).
Yeah I saw that too. Wow. Her stepmother has written two books, of her experiences being wife number 4 to naomies dad. Very good at explaining the psychology of the wives and why warren wanted younger and younger girls.
@@lesleymoses7852what are the books? Or the authors name?
Haha, "Sam's an apostate", and he goes Woop woop (timer 22:40). Truth is, all mankind has fallen into this mortal schooling, but any group that violates children are apostates.
Have you been watching the Lori vallow trial? Or following the story?
He could’ve put his daughter in the car and kept driving. He didn’t know any different though
I might be wrong but isn’t it thought when he married his fathers younger wives they still saw it as very incestuous most likely the marriages between Rulon and the young wives where never consumed.
Talk about human slavery. This is beyond patriarchy it is slavery
It angers me that he is allowed to have all those visitors at once and then continue to run this cult. I know inmates have rights but this is blatant harmful behavior related to his conviction so seems as would be legal and appropriate measures that could be taken to restrict this activity
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
To me, this is what Warren, and to a lesser effect Rulon did to ruin the Short Creek community.
While I’m atheist/agnostic so no religion makes sense to me, but this one man rule doctrine allowed for the prophet to abuse their power. Even the Centennial Park community believes in a council. I don’t believe in their religion either & they still have a patriarchal society, but I at least respect that the woman chooses their husband by revelation. And having a council minimizes the likelihood of abuse of power. I’m sure they have their negatives, but it doesn’t seem nearly as disfunctional and abusive. I’m curious how the FLDS could have maintained a decent society if they had a more benevolent prophet that wasn’t also a pedophile. OR was it I inevitable that a power-hungry leader who is corrupted absolutely would have come along, even if it hadn’t been Warren.
These are the things I think about. 😢
I get them wanting to have a few each because of the belief system but having 60 and then pushing young men out from their families because you don’t want them to take the women but you The prophet have 60 wives 😮
I know all religions have different beliefs and try not to judge, but come on. The belief that need three wives to be allowed into heaven. That this what god would use to measure your worthiness. It’s so illogical it’s laughable.
Hey, Joesph Smith, Jr. had many young girl/wives...if you believe Smith was a prophet, --why not buy into Jeffs' lies ? Keep Sweet !
I don’t know that they believe Smith was a prophet, only a profit
A man with many "girl" friends doesn't make him a pervert. Only being a pervert makes one a pervert, which obviously Warren was, by his own confessions and tape recordings.
@@candygram4435 Joseph Smith married multiple young wives, including those as young as 14.
@@powderandpaint14I know that but I’ve got no clue what your point is
@@candygram4435 woops sorry, I meant to reply to the original post.