The more I see these kind of bike, the more I am in love with old school looking, rim brake, full of cables road bikes... A delight on the second hand market 👌🏼
Looks great and really like the integrated stem. Aero is great for the pros but for the rest of us who ride at lower speeds, probably losing a few kilos and doing a bit more structured training will be more production to gain speed.
I think 17 Watts compared to the old model at 50 kph May be accurate (as the old one was really kinda outdated) but the 30% advantage compared to competitors is just bs
These new bikes do at the front end what the Giant TCR did on the rear end 25 years ago. It seems there will soon be two frame sizes Small and Large and then everything else will be fitted with stems going from 80mm length and 70mm rise for the MAMILS to 140mm length and 0 rise for the pros and seat posts sticking out anywhere between 100 and 300mm... It is aero because the frame is very compact and fits between the two wheels it is also very good for managing inventory...
I really appreciate Bianchi for going in this direction with their Oltre. This is a bike for the pro's, and speed matters more than anything else for them. As a brand that is typically associated with conservative and traditional Italian design, this lifts them up again to the avant-garde of bicycle design. Big kudos to Bianchi. If only there was a new sub 2 kg fully wireless Campagnolo Super Record gruppo on it...
The geometry is definitely for the pro’s but from a volume sales point of view they are missing the older amateurs market. The majority of this market will never take advantage of its true aero power savings, but have something their younger more flexible counterpart’s don’t have. Discretionary spending power. The design is fab, but I think it’s misses a trick on adjustability.
Let’s be frank. The older amateur market is irrelevant. Those folks scorn any tech development in the modern cycling scene. What they want is a new bicycle that looks exactly like what they currently have, and because it looks identical they will then say that there isn’t a point buying the new bike. Bianchi is making a good move by making a definitive break from the old school riders, and going after the market of new covid riders who are ready to spend on good things,
I recently went back to riding a steel bike. nothing fancy, it’s a 56cm 7 speed olmo giro in yellow with mavic ma rims, it just look right, proper geometry, they got things right 👌🏻
@@davidarthur well you do an awesome job of getting out the latest news asap. So entirely understandable. One of the reasons your channel is my favorite bike channel
amazed they got this past the UCI (possibly because Bianchi are italian and not scottish). will this open the door for air deflectors, more commonly seen on sports cars and, uhh, trucks actually.
Aero testing on a 40 kmh bike .... Wind tunnels produce valid models for Dimitriev Numbers that are high enough. Which never happens on a bike because you are not going 100+ kmh
I have a 2021 Oltre XR3 disc Ultegra mechanical; with some Enve 45s and a Fizik R1 Vento adaptive (3D). In terms of looks, I don’t think this new Oltre even comes close. How much lighter is this? ~275g for the frame? Unless it performs incredibly better; I’d be hard pressed to want an upgrade, even in a few years. For that money I’d probably hop in a Wilier Filante instead.
If it's a fair test with a rider, then the TCR will likely be faster. Rider position trumps everything and the lack of adjustment on the Bianchi does not bode well for aerodynamics in the real world.
I think it looks awesome. I am all about comfort, so a bike like this would not likely be for me. But it looks great and is no doubt fast. Seeing one in real life would be like seeing a Ferrari.
I am curios that he didnt mention that it looks like they are making their own wheels and seats now. Wonder how the 3d will compare to the Carbon ones from Specialized and fitzik
Well, I don't know about the bike but the marketing bs bingo is "Hyper" for sure: "-17.1 watts at 50 kph": A completely pointless claim for a "normal" customer. Even professional athletes struggle to sustain 50 kph over a relevant distance in real world conditions (cornering, ascents...) in a race during a solo effort. "-5.1% CDA in crosswinds": Compared to what??? "-45 seconds over a distance of 40 kilometers": Again, compared to what and also at what speed??? At the above mentioned 50 kph? For 40 km??? Good luck with that! An average customer of such a bike (middle aged guy with a very well paid job) may average about 35 kph on more or less flat terrain with not too much wind. And even if he/she manages to go with 40 kph, the 45 seconds account for 1,25% of time saved over a period of 1 hour. The differences in form of the day, street surface conditions, traffic, etc. will likely account for a much higher variation in average speed, so you will quite likely never "experinece" your 45 seconds time savings.
To me, it seems to be more a gimmick. Deflecting the air can speed it up on the side of the frame creating a vacuum so the air running from the outside gets deflected and can 'stick' more to the frame. Yet, the size of the deflector will not take a lot of air from the parts where the rider is (legs). Secondly; curious if Cervelo has a patent on the handlebar design.. Overall; I don't like it, the bike itself looks messy and the mounting of the deflectors makes it look cheap (for a 14K bike...)
In my opinion everything is a gimmick it's just another way to sell a newer bike. The only way that they're able to prove anything is the perfect conditions in a wind tunnel. I guess you truly can't argue with a wind tunnel. But the real world is the real world
I love the ideas, the innovation however, riders are only going 15-30 mph. These aero benefits are not really realized at those speeds, especially in a criterium where your position is changing behind riders constantly. For cars that are going ..I don't know 40-80 mph and going in a straight line down a highway...sure. Throw some wind deflectors on my Prius. I truly believe bicycle tech is only splitting hairs on aero now. Wheelsets and the human body are really the only 2 major aero obstacles IMO.
I don’t mind the way it looks, obviously it’s something we will all have to adjust too! This is a new era of bikes and in order to be relevant you gotta push the limits and they have👍👍👍 Although mine would be kitted with Campagnolo 😁
You don't need a PhD in aerodynamics to tell you most of this is just marketing BS. The deflector things on the head tube are costing you more watts than they will save you. The "generous" tyre clearance doesn't improve turbulence and airflow it just causes worse seal/gap leakage.
I've been wondering why manufacturers haven't been doing that since it allows for a smaller/lighter frame. I would THINK that the smaller frame + riser stem would be more aero as well.
Don’t tease us with this hyperbole. It was only 2 days ago you put the Madone in your wind tunnel only to find out it’s only 2 watts better then your round tubed Giant. We’re not that forgetful!
HyperMarketing nonsense imho - show the testing procedures and the data. All I'm seeing at the moment is a fugly bike which is harder to keep clean due to all the crevices and ties you into proprietary stem, seatpost and bars
Looks amazing, and I'd happily cope with being given a free one. However with all the effort and attention frame manufacturers go to eek out every last reduction in cdn and watts saved, it's amazing to me that there doesn't appear to be any thought given to where and how head units get added to the cockpit. I know the frontal area of a wahoo or garmin is small, but my guess is that a badly placed head unit using 3rd party attachment could well cancel out the gain from the airdeflector or handlebar / stem design.
I love the out of the box look of some of these aero “hyper” bikes. This, the Trek Madone, the Ribble Ultra. I just worry about comfort. I want to go fast as anyone, but I don’t want to be super sore when I’m done. Glad to see the Trek review. Hope you get this one in, and I would love to see you review the Ribble as well! Seems like no one did much beyond a first look.
This is a bike made for pros, and pros don't get sore, they're race winning machine. Every brand must have an extremely aggressive and performing bike for them, if us mere mortals need comfort we just have to get one of the other bikes the market offers. It's always a compromise.
@@8paolo96 ya, I agree for this one and a lot of aero bikes. And honestly most are out of my theoretical price range. But something like the Ribble Ultra or the Orro Venturi are “affordable” and claims to be partly designed for a more normal rider. And if companies are pushing aero so much with new deep section tube shapes with every new release, I want to know if my body will hold up long enough to take advantage of it haha.
You could get comfort by buying a top tier set of bibs and a power mirror saddle. I’m a weekend covid cyclists pushing into middle age, and I do rides such as audexes on my 2022 orbea aero just fine.
I'm all for hyperpriced bikes as long as they don't push the lower end's prices upwards. Which seems to be what's happening. Also, they must have started working on it before the UCI rule changes. That's a tiny bottom bracket area compared to, say, the new Scott Foil.
1. British Spitfires had way better radiators than the German's because they developed them in competition. LET PEOPLE TRY CRAZY SH*T! You never know what will work that the world might need. 2. Allow people to do shaped foam/plastic with double-sided tape to create inserts and trailing edge shapes. It's the cheapest and fastest way to test stuff out to see what works and make advancements faster for pennies. Just have a rule that it can't be more than X wide and Y long. I can take a $300 round tube bike frame and make it super aero with some shaped foam and duct tape for christ's sake. Probably ride better too. Why do we need to spend $10,000 on this? Somebody needs to make a bike where it has attachment points for 3D printed aero inserts and you can get the shape you want, for the weather you want. Then sell the inserts, deep, medium, shallow... people can put them all over the bike in the depth they want. Turn your bike from UCI legal to Tri legal in 5 minutes.
Looking forward to the wind tunnel comparison against the TCR with its cable’s hanging everywhere 🤔 I’m going for almost no difference at all and a recall in 6 months time where something is falling apart because they didn’t do their R and D properly like Trek Specialized Canyon etc. what a mess 🤦🏻♂️
The more I see these kind of bike, the more I am in love with old school looking, rim brake, full of cables road bikes... A delight on the second hand market 👌🏼
A-MEN
Amen to that.
17 watts at 50K. How many people can go on the flats over 50 k for more than 15 seconds???
Hype is the operative word.
Looks great and really like the integrated stem. Aero is great for the pros but for the rest of us who ride at lower speeds, probably losing a few kilos and doing a bit more structured training will be more production to gain speed.
If you think that integrated stem standing as high as your pelvis is aero, i have bad news for u
@@Roxas99Yamiprobably is good aero. Why wouldn’t it be aero in your opinion?
I think 17 Watts compared to the old model at 50 kph May be accurate (as the old one was really kinda outdated) but the 30% advantage compared to competitors is just bs
Can't wait for mine arriving in afew weeks 😍 .
It looks pretty cool 😎 excited to see it in person! Thanks David!
These new bikes do at the front end what the Giant TCR did on the rear end 25 years ago. It seems there will soon be two
frame sizes Small and Large and then everything else will be fitted with stems going from 80mm length and 70mm rise for the MAMILS to 140mm length and 0 rise for the pros and seat posts sticking out anywhere between 100 and 300mm... It is aero because the frame is very compact and fits between the two wheels it is also very good for managing inventory...
Wouldn’t the GPS cover the hole, sorry deflector, in the middle of the bar?
I really appreciate Bianchi for going in this direction with their Oltre. This is a bike for the pro's, and speed matters more than anything else for them. As a brand that is typically associated with conservative and traditional Italian design, this lifts them up again to the avant-garde of bicycle design. Big kudos to Bianchi. If only there was a new sub 2 kg fully wireless Campagnolo Super Record gruppo on it...
surly coming next year 🙏
The geometry is definitely for the pro’s but from a volume sales point of view they are missing the older amateurs market. The majority of this market will never take advantage of its true aero power savings, but have something their younger more flexible counterpart’s don’t have. Discretionary spending power. The design is fab, but I think it’s misses a trick on adjustability.
Let’s be frank. The older amateur market is irrelevant. Those folks scorn any tech development in the modern cycling scene.
What they want is a new bicycle that looks exactly like what they currently have, and because it looks identical they will then say that there isn’t a point buying the new bike.
Bianchi is making a good move by making a definitive break from the old school riders, and going after the market of new covid riders who are ready to spend on good things,
So, you are a pro then?
The fact that the XR4 is still a better design aerodynamically says something about their marketing and BS department
And where should the Garmin, Wahoo or Bryton attached...?
*What are fairings?*
Is the Bianchi being built in new factory in Italy yet?
Where is the head unit supposed to go?
I recently went back to riding a steel bike. nothing fancy, it’s a 56cm 7 speed olmo giro in yellow with mavic ma rims, it just look right, proper geometry, they got things right 👌🏻
When they took a load of the Marketing Team's special "Coco Powder" and gave it to the Design Team 😋😁
Dave you said you didn’t know the weight - but it is actually shown in your video - about 1:23 in. Is stated as 6.85kg’s. Pretty impressive.
Yeah right you are Richard, I totally missed that in my rush to make a video. Very impressive for sure
@@davidarthur well you do an awesome job of getting out the latest news asap. So entirely understandable. One of the reasons your channel is my favorite bike channel
amazed they got this past the UCI (possibly because Bianchi are italian and not scottish). will this open the door for air deflectors, more commonly seen on sports cars and, uhh, trucks actually.
They didn't pass
Gonna be a hyper price too I bet
15 000 eur for sram red axs is the price that I read
My eyes hurt 😭
My eyes too. Bianchi was selling Most of their Bikes about Emotion and Not about pure Speed. The Most ugly Bike out there.
What a bike!
Looking forward to your wind tunnel testing on this one ;)
Aero testing on a 40 kmh bike .... Wind tunnels produce valid models for Dimitriev Numbers that are high enough. Which never happens on a bike because you are not going 100+ kmh
Bianchi has been down to the Ducati factory for a tour and got a few ideas
Except no wings yet 🤣
Bianchi to Trek... Hold my Peroni... Grazie Mille!
I have a 2021 Oltre XR3 disc Ultegra mechanical; with some Enve 45s and a Fizik R1 Vento adaptive (3D). In terms of looks, I don’t think this new Oltre even comes close. How much lighter is this? ~275g for the frame? Unless it performs incredibly better; I’d be hard pressed to want an upgrade, even in a few years. For that money I’d probably hop in a Wilier Filante instead.
oh god, looks like it was designed by the marketing team
Does somebody know why "aero bikes" aren't aero?
can't wait for u to put this in the wind tunnel vs the tcr ;)
May be a negligible difference 😂
TCR is probably more aero
@@Pompdiepom definitely prettier and more versatile
If it's a fair test with a rider, then the TCR will likely be faster. Rider position trumps everything and the lack of adjustment on the Bianchi does not bode well for aerodynamics in the real world.
That looks....strange...UCI will have a field day with these thingies on the head tube 🤣
I think it looks awesome. I am all about comfort, so a bike like this would not likely be for me. But it looks great and is no doubt fast. Seeing one in real life would be like seeing a Ferrari.
I am curios that he didnt mention that it looks like they are making their own wheels and seats now. Wonder how the 3d will compare to the Carbon ones from Specialized and fitzik
Where does the computer go ?
Need to see this in person.
C'mon man, who put those Bianchi decals on a Cervelo S5?
Can they release more endurance bikes , I don’t race and probably just chill ride with friends around the country 🙃
Great looking bike, awesome! But; where will you mount your Garmin with that stem?
Apart from the deflectors, it just looks like a Cervelo S5
They must have car company marketing teams doing it for them now 🤣🤣 only question I have is where are the cup holders ??
Well, I don't know about the bike but the marketing bs bingo is "Hyper" for sure:
"-17.1 watts at 50 kph": A completely pointless claim for a "normal" customer. Even professional athletes struggle to sustain 50 kph over a relevant distance in real world conditions (cornering, ascents...) in a race during a solo effort.
"-5.1% CDA in crosswinds": Compared to what???
"-45 seconds over a distance of 40 kilometers": Again, compared to what and also at what speed??? At the above mentioned 50 kph? For 40 km??? Good luck with that! An average customer of such a bike (middle aged guy with a very well paid job) may average about 35 kph on more or less flat terrain with not too much wind. And even if he/she manages to go with 40 kph, the 45 seconds account for 1,25% of time saved over a period of 1 hour. The differences in form of the day, street surface conditions, traffic, etc. will likely account for a much higher variation in average speed, so you will quite likely never "experinece" your 45 seconds time savings.
An Aero Race bike, or a Cervelo Race bike?
It looks almost better than the new Scott foil rc!
Please don't forget heavy rain in the front"new design"
Inventive , stunning !
Love them doing something different ❤
Look deeper at the specs you shown us. 6.85 kg at size 55. So with fitting pedals and bidons it’s about 7.2 in total?!
it's quite surprising (in a pleasant way) to see korean in your channel :-)
Would like if it was more Celeste Green and less black (inverse the color scheme)
To me, it seems to be more a gimmick. Deflecting the air can speed it up on the side of the frame creating a vacuum so the air running from the outside gets deflected and can 'stick' more to the frame. Yet, the size of the deflector will not take a lot of air from the parts where the rider is (legs). Secondly; curious if Cervelo has a patent on the handlebar design..
Overall; I don't like it, the bike itself looks messy and the mounting of the deflectors makes it look cheap (for a 14K bike...)
I think it would look a lot better with regular style cockpit. Not a fan of the cervelo S5 front end either... But that's just my opinion.
At 1:25 it says a size 55 weighs 6.850kg
What a monster bike ive ever seen so far
RIP Bianchi
Is there a place to put the cycling computer out front? Or does that ruin the aeroness
In my opinion everything is a gimmick it's just another way to sell a newer bike. The only way that they're able to prove anything is the perfect conditions in a wind tunnel. I guess you truly can't argue with a wind tunnel. But the real world is the real world
Way too go biachi ur bike looks rocks
Can we expect this in the Peloton next year?
There are rumours of the possibility. Not with any of the major teams though.
that thing in the handle bar, i think cervelo did it first
Wow I love this bike❤
is it F1's Fduct of motoGP's winglets ?
A Bianchi without the Iconic logo in the front?
Like the new features but it looks even worse than cervelo s5
And the s5 was ugly already
Yeah, let’s see what the riders think?!?!
Bellissima verniciatura di S.M.verniciatue
I love the ideas, the innovation however, riders are only going 15-30 mph. These aero benefits are not really realized at those speeds, especially in a criterium where your position is changing behind riders constantly. For cars that are going ..I don't know 40-80 mph and going in a straight line down a highway...sure. Throw some wind deflectors on my Prius. I truly believe bicycle tech is only splitting hairs on aero now. Wheelsets and the human body are really the only 2 major aero obstacles IMO.
Only place this might...miiiight....make sense is out here on the high plains where we have 30mph headwinds and 50-60mph gusts.
Glad I have an xr4 this looks a bit much😊
Hope to see this bike being ridden at World Tour level next season!
Arkea-Samsic will be riding these and other Bianchi bikes as they have become the new sponsors.
LOL, they really put canards on it like it's a fighter jet or hyper car. 😂
I don’t mind the way it looks, obviously it’s something we will all have to adjust too! This is a new era of bikes and in order to be relevant you gotta push the limits and they have👍👍👍 Although mine would be kitted with Campagnolo 😁
Campagnolo didnt push the limits and aren't relevant.
You don't need a PhD in aerodynamics to tell you most of this is just marketing BS. The deflector things on the head tube are costing you more watts than they will save you. The "generous" tyre clearance doesn't improve turbulence and airflow it just causes worse seal/gap leakage.
looks like a previous generation propel and an S5 had a baby
Positive angle stem... so slam stem not aero anymore...
I've been wondering why manufacturers haven't been doing that since it allows for a smaller/lighter frame. I would THINK that the smaller frame + riser stem would be more aero as well.
When you order a Cervelo S5 off WISH 😂
Get it in the wind tunnel against the TCR, about to invest in a new propel from a TCR 😮
Don’t tease us with this hyperbole. It was only 2 days ago you put the Madone in your wind tunnel only to find out it’s only 2 watts better then your round tubed Giant. We’re not that forgetful!
only !4k euros! *orders two*
why not just put extra wingsssss??
HyperMarketing nonsense imho - show the testing procedures and the data. All I'm seeing at the moment is a fugly bike which is harder to keep clean due to all the crevices and ties you into proprietary stem, seatpost and bars
€ 14k.... Rediculous
it resembles venge vias and s5
Looks amazing, and I'd happily cope with being given a free one. However with all the effort and attention frame manufacturers go to eek out every last reduction in cdn and watts saved, it's amazing to me that there doesn't appear to be any thought given to where and how head units get added to the cockpit. I know the frontal area of a wahoo or garmin is small, but my guess is that a badly placed head unit using 3rd party attachment could well cancel out the gain from the airdeflector or handlebar / stem design.
Cmon please don’t spew marketing bs, those air deflectors just don’t have any actual aerodynamic merit to them. This things just one big gimmick
Is that frame made in Europe? Were Bianchi not the first big brand to announce they're pulling out of China and getting back to Italy?
The Frames are still made in China. Just Assembled in Italy.
More marketing holes that might save half a watt in a wind tunnel.
"Look How They Massacred My Boy" - RIP Bianchi
2022 was backwards, 2023 is freaking ugly. Looks like I have to keep my 2021 xr4 for a bit longer. Hope you find your style back next year.
A Cervelo S5 with speedholes!
I love the out of the box look of some of these aero “hyper” bikes. This, the Trek Madone, the Ribble Ultra. I just worry about comfort. I want to go fast as anyone, but I don’t want to be super sore when I’m done. Glad to see the Trek review. Hope you get this one in, and I would love to see you review the Ribble as well! Seems like no one did much beyond a first look.
This is a bike made for pros, and pros don't get sore, they're race winning machine. Every brand must have an extremely aggressive and performing bike for them, if us mere mortals need comfort we just have to get one of the other bikes the market offers. It's always a compromise.
@@8paolo96 ya, I agree for this one and a lot of aero bikes. And honestly most are out of my theoretical price range. But something like the Ribble Ultra or the Orro Venturi are “affordable” and claims to be partly designed for a more normal rider. And if companies are pushing aero so much with new deep section tube shapes with every new release, I want to know if my body will hold up long enough to take advantage of it haha.
You could get comfort by buying a top tier set of bibs and a power mirror saddle.
I’m a weekend covid cyclists pushing into middle age, and I do rides such as audexes on my 2022 orbea aero just fine.
First I've herd of Ribble until I read your comment. I'll research this bike now.
6.85kg Size 55
Looks like an Alibaba version of the Cervelo S5 😅😂
Although I think this is a cheap but ingenuous new design, it should be UCI LEGAL!
I'm all for hyperpriced bikes as long as they don't push the lower end's prices upwards. Which seems to be what's happening. Also, they must have started working on it before the UCI rule changes. That's a tiny bottom bracket area compared to, say, the new Scott Foil.
WOW what a great looking bike!
Companies are competing to see who can make the ugliest looking road bike! Horrendous is all I can think!
A load of bollocks. In my opinion.
1. British Spitfires had way better radiators than the German's because they developed them in competition. LET PEOPLE TRY CRAZY SH*T! You never know what will work that the world might need.
2. Allow people to do shaped foam/plastic with double-sided tape to create inserts and trailing edge shapes. It's the cheapest and fastest way to test stuff out to see what works and make advancements faster for pennies. Just have a rule that it can't be more than X wide and Y long. I can take a $300 round tube bike frame and make it super aero with some shaped foam and duct tape for christ's sake. Probably ride better too. Why do we need to spend $10,000 on this? Somebody needs to make a bike where it has attachment points for 3D printed aero inserts and you can get the shape you want, for the weather you want. Then sell the inserts, deep, medium, shallow... people can put them all over the bike in the depth they want. Turn your bike from UCI legal to Tri legal in 5 minutes.
Looking forward to the wind tunnel comparison against the TCR with its cable’s hanging everywhere 🤔 I’m going for almost no difference at all and a recall in 6 months time where something is falling apart because they didn’t do their R and D properly like Trek Specialized Canyon etc. what a mess 🤦🏻♂️
6.85kg cost €14k🤣🤣🤣
Hyperbike? hypergimmick😄
It looks awfull 😢
True. Far from beautiful classic Bianchi look.
The XR4 sure looks prettier than this new one
You haven't seen it in the flesh and you judge?
It looks awfull on pics and vids… bianchi is heading the wrong way imho. Arcadex is ugly, this one is worse.
It looks great 👍
Yeah, why not
99.999 % marketing🤣
That is one ugly bike!