Do you (generally) prefer to climb with just a single rope? With a single and a tagline? With doubles or twins? Something else? Let us know what and why?
I just wanted to say: “well done!”. Like all your videos, you explain clearly and without hyperbole. Too many times climbers will argue a certain system is beter, while in reality, as you point out, there are pros and cons to every option. Oh, and “Reepschnur” (accessory cord) is pronounced “rape-schnoor”
@@tjb8841 I made a video, way back at the beginning of the channel, that was basically an "I always do it this way" type thing and (rightfully) got called out on it. Since then, I have tried to be very conscious of calling out the pros and cons of things, even the accepted best practices. I try to avoid the "if you do this you will die," or the "do this to always be safe" type of headlines because (within limits) neither is true. Glad you appreciate the measured approach, and I appreciate the feedback!
Another benefit of the PUR line specifically is its ability to easily haul lighter loads. The hyperstatic design increases efficiency and it is compatible with devices like the nano and mini traxion. Hauling light loads on hard fast and light missions is advantageous as no one likes climbing with a pack on hard pitches. Finally, as it's compatible with ascending devices one could hypothetically use it as a fixed line. Although I would not personally be comfortable with this due to the diameter it would be possible.
Good call out. the PUR line was developed by some pretty darned-seasoned and audacious alpinists who were working on exactly the types of climbs you are talking about. Thanks making us all aware of more of its advantages.
Great video, well explained and shown. You have a great style of teaching. I don't do any rock climbing, I Am an arborist, and have been using ropes in many situations for years. I also do rope access work,(rope rope ropes) Keep making videos. Thank you, Jim from Oregon.
If the rope stuck, being able to re-lead a pitch (or a portion of the rappel route) using a single half rope to get the rope unstuck is another great benefit for a set of doubles.
I just came over from the other video...I have never used a tag line and I do not really see the sense of it for the average Joe. Half ropes have come a long way and are pretty lightweight nowadays. And I have to disagree with your opinion on rope management. During the climb, belaying with two ropes is just as easy as with a single one and rope management is not that much of an issue if done properly. However, having two ropes gives a lot more flexibility, be it by having two seconds each on their own rope, improved anchor building or the plain and boring reduction of rope drag. On the way down, it is just so much more convenient and surely faster than messing with a tag line, so the weight advantage will hardly translate to a time advantage. I think people have just become overly fixated on weight and miss the big picture. Unless one is hauling and needs a second line anyways, there is no good reason to carry a tag line in your backpack when you could carry a slightly heavier rope with all the advantages.
@@foobar9220 I think that is a far perspective, and one I generally agree with. I do say at the end of this video that I typically climb with two ropes and have practiced the rope management to reduce the impact of that downside. 😜 I will sometimes take a light tagline on a two-pitch route where I can reduce the exit down to one rappel and the route is short enough (only two pitches) that the likelihood of rope damage happening during the climb, and wanting the second rope available for that, is pretty low. I know the Pur Line was developed for cold, mixed, gnarly alpine climbs where people are taking off their packs when lead climbing at their limit and thus wanting the static line to haul gear behind them and the stiffness made it less likely to stick when pulling the rope. But none of that applies to these super light options.
Yes and no. Works until it doesn't. You typically need a very vertical descent to have the pulls work with the Escaper. No rappels with a lot of rock contact on the rope absorbing the pulls to release the Escaper and no traversing/diagonal rappels: ua-cam.com/video/0iQXDxpJ0h0/v-deo.html
Do you (generally) prefer to climb with just a single rope? With a single and a tagline? With doubles or twins? Something else? Let us know what and why?
I just wanted to say: “well done!”. Like all your videos, you explain clearly and without hyperbole. Too many times climbers will argue a certain system is beter, while in reality, as you point out, there are pros and cons to every option.
Oh, and “Reepschnur” (accessory cord) is pronounced “rape-schnoor”
@@tjb8841 I made a video, way back at the beginning of the channel, that was basically an "I always do it this way" type thing and (rightfully) got called out on it. Since then, I have tried to be very conscious of calling out the pros and cons of things, even the accepted best practices. I try to avoid the "if you do this you will die," or the "do this to always be safe" type of headlines because (within limits) neither is true. Glad you appreciate the measured approach, and I appreciate the feedback!
Another benefit of the PUR line specifically is its ability to easily haul lighter loads. The hyperstatic design increases efficiency and it is compatible with devices like the nano and mini traxion. Hauling light loads on hard fast and light missions is advantageous as no one likes climbing with a pack on hard pitches. Finally, as it's compatible with ascending devices one could hypothetically use it as a fixed line. Although I would not personally be comfortable with this due to the diameter it would be possible.
Good call out. the PUR line was developed by some pretty darned-seasoned and audacious alpinists who were working on exactly the types of climbs you are talking about. Thanks making us all aware of more of its advantages.
Great video, well explained and shown. You have a great style of teaching. I don't do any rock climbing, I Am an arborist, and have been using ropes in many situations for years. I also do rope access work,(rope rope ropes) Keep making videos.
Thank you, Jim from Oregon.
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 appreciate the support! 🙏 Nice compliment from someone who moves up and down ropes for a living 💪
If the rope stuck, being able to re-lead a pitch (or a portion of the rappel route) using a single half rope to get the rope unstuck is another great benefit for a set of doubles.
I tend to agree. Having a single get stuck can be damn sketchy.
this was super intresting made me realize a few things
Glad you found it useful!
I just came over from the other video...I have never used a tag line and I do not really see the sense of it for the average Joe. Half ropes have come a long way and are pretty lightweight nowadays. And I have to disagree with your opinion on rope management. During the climb, belaying with two ropes is just as easy as with a single one and rope management is not that much of an issue if done properly. However, having two ropes gives a lot more flexibility, be it by having two seconds each on their own rope, improved anchor building or the plain and boring reduction of rope drag. On the way down, it is just so much more convenient and surely faster than messing with a tag line, so the weight advantage will hardly translate to a time advantage.
I think people have just become overly fixated on weight and miss the big picture. Unless one is hauling and needs a second line anyways, there is no good reason to carry a tag line in your backpack when you could carry a slightly heavier rope with all the advantages.
@@foobar9220 I think that is a far perspective, and one I generally agree with. I do say at the end of this video that I typically climb with two ropes and have practiced the rope management to reduce the impact of that downside. 😜 I will sometimes take a light tagline on a two-pitch route where I can reduce the exit down to one rappel and the route is short enough (only two pitches) that the likelihood of rope damage happening during the climb, and wanting the second rope available for that, is pretty low. I know the Pur Line was developed for cold, mixed, gnarly alpine climbs where people are taking off their packs when lead climbing at their limit and thus wanting the static line to haul gear behind them and the stiffness made it less likely to stick when pulling the rope. But none of that applies to these super light options.
Beal Escaper!
Yes and no. Works until it doesn't. You typically need a very vertical descent to have the pulls work with the Escaper. No rappels with a lot of rock contact on the rope absorbing the pulls to release the Escaper and no traversing/diagonal rappels: ua-cam.com/video/0iQXDxpJ0h0/v-deo.html