It's fun bc he has no filter. But he is kinda stupid and stubborn and not mentally flexible enough to make it interesting over the long haul. Funny story about HO slapping some manners into him. Maybe he was better than Shaq...at least over a career.
Love the Buck Williams mention, excellent defender & rebounder. Antonio McDyess & P.J. Brown are guys that comes to mind for me that I don’t hear many people mention too, if anybody.
I used to go to Terry Cummings camp.. Carver High Wild 100s.. He would have Tim Hardaway and Juwan up there. It changed our lives and made a difference. Shoutout to TC Camp! #Chicago
Terry Cummings don't get the attention and credit he deserves from fans who didn't see him. Cummings doesn't get considered for the Hall of Fame because his stats don't jump off the page, but he was better than Marques Johnson, who he was traded for, but IS in the HOF.... Cummings was strong as an Ox and would wheel and deal on you, like Hakeem.
By the time marquis Johnson was traded ,he was a shell of his former self . Age does that ti everyone's career eventually . Obviously you never watched marquis in his prime !" Late seventies ,early eighties !" All players get old . Terry was a very good young player ,but not a hall of fame kind of talent .There is a reason marquis is in the hall of fame ,and it's not politics,it was his game !"
@@creaghbell8179 Early '80s Terry Cummings was one of the best Power Forwards I've ever seen, outside of Barkley and Malone. Marques Johnson Benefited from a weak talent pool in the NBA pre-Bird and Magic.
@@mikedbigame3398 he was great but hardly elvin hayes or Bob pettit.. no magic or bird meant less box office attention, not a watered down league. Johnson was a stud big time
The year before Portland got Buck Williams they were 39-43 and a first round out. Buck comes in that trade for Bowie and Portland jumps 20 games in the win column and goes to the Finals. That dude changed everything.
Buck Williams is so underrated. Too bad he's not talked about today b3cause he's just so unassuming and quiet being the simple blue collar kind of player.
I watched Mark Eaton catch Kevin Johnson in midair, do a 360, and throw Kevin out to the free throw line. Literal wrestling move. Kevin went right back at him.
In college, Terry Cummings saw Teddy Grubbs, come off the bench and score 29 points against UCLA. Instead of resigning himself to sitting behind Grubbs he said, either Teddy is going to sit or someone else is going to sit. I came here to play. Teddy sat. Teddy Grubbs was maybe the most highly recruited player of his time and Terry Cummings benched him. Outworked him, out toughed him. It changed the trajectory of Teddy Grubbs life.
Kenyon was so mean and physical.smh. No tranzz blacks existed then. No GTA videogames being played then by blacks. No skateboard riding blacks existed then.
@@NYUArchaeologyNobody wants to hear about your black crap, there was always people doing those things regardless of whether you yourself saw it or not.
Yeah but Oakley was the law enforcer, you break the rules or disrespect and you'll have to deal with him. Mason was like his son to be a backup enforcer lol
What does that even mean? So extremely physical basketball where someone could be injured is the equivalent of ‘real hoops’? Don’t just watch VHS tapes of the 80s now or what?
I agree, the physicality didn’t take away from the scoring and highlight plays imo. But after the malice in the palace the league went straight gestopo on policing fights and tough plays
The story Vernon M . Told about Buck Williams, reminds me of the altercation between Carmelo Anthony and Mardy Collins. When Melo was in Denver.Carmelo was killing the Knicks in that game. And after 1 dunk, Mardy C told Melo if he do that again , he would whoop Melo's ass. The next play Anthony dunks on Collins, and Mardy Collins went after CA. But Carmelo run away😅😅😂. You can watch that clip on the net. Man, I have mad respect to Anthony as a player. And for me he is in the top 3 pure scorers off all time. And I kind off feel bad that he hasn't a championship in his resume. But on that play Mardy C , by the way fringe NBA player and only solid Europlayer owned Mello s ass.🎉
Man I play 2K my league Fantasy draft , I decide to add the legends in the pool. Why Terry Cummings was giving me buckets all game. 😂 I drafted a whole new team and added #91 just for him
Y'all do know that "Dawg" dropped over 'fiddy' on the Cavs when that wasn't an everyday occurrence . . . and he scored 30 of those in the 4th quarter --- that NEEGRO was FRFR! #RESPECTMADMAX
That’s why players today couldn’t play in OUR era.. That’s part of the GAME ..these young CATS dont talk about.. can you handle that type of mental and physical punishment and still be competitive… If three guys hit you .. The Ref can only call a foul on 1 player.. LOL.. no PRIDE in Defense anymore .. NO PRIDE in competing NO PRIDE in being an all around player..
@@tommyfu9271 That may be true to a degree, but the rules have changed, and the refs are more lax in calling basic rules, e.g., traveling, carrying; and I've been watching hoops since the 70's and went to a lot of games live (Sonics). It's disgraceful what players today get away with. Let Jerry West be able to do some of that and see what he would have done, and add in a 3 point line and watch that man get down!
@@JazzyJ5G Jerry West would be incredible in any era and obviously would have benefited a lot from the 3 point shot. I mean I'd agree things have gotten a little too lax but the overall quality of play is way better than in the 80s.
@@tommyfu9271 Indeed he would! One thing that today's players lack in general is: They are soft and entitled brats compared to the OG's, and they don't have the same competitive fire; and the 3-point line and how it's utilized today with certain teams and their systems, has ruined the game to some degree. I honestly had no interest in watching the Finals this year at all, and I'm all for Kyrie getting another ring!
@@tommyfu9271 I noticed when guys actually played defense more in this year's playoffs and the refs let more stuff go, teams/players weren't looking as good and some of the teams were barely hitting 90 points. Defense changes everything.
When did OLD SCHOOL BB END...Just listening to Vern And Sheed Talk about...DONT COME DOWN HERE NO MO'....MY NOSE IS STILL CROOKED....THANKS...TODAY, You come down the lane Other Team gives you room, A High 5, And says..GET YO MONEY...
The young boys today like to talk so much shit but when you play pick up ball with old guys in the 40s and beyond you better respect them because you will get the shit knocked out of you if you are a loudmouth.
This is because players had no skill, so they tried to hurt you! Dudes were wack! I'm glad now its either you can play or you cannot. You can’t hurt players!
All y'all thinking that LeBron would be this healthy at his age in the NBA they're talking about right now.... Are out of y'alls DAMNED MIND!!! Look... Michael Cage knocked my homeboy's front teeth out in a MFing PICKUP GAME!!! Big Tank is like 6'7" 235. Night after Night, GETTING LUMPED by Karl Malone, The Ellis Boys in Indiana, Big Oak and Mase in NYK, Buck Williams, TC, X Man, Detroit.... All those kind of Dudes are GOING TO PUT A HURTING ON YOUR A55 THAT WON'T LET YOU PLAY INTO YOUR 40'S unless all you do is take Threes and the only people allowed to do that then were Del Curry, Eddie Johnson and two or the three others coming off the bench. END THE BULLSH17 ALREADY!!! LUMPS ILL BE DISTRIBUTED!!!
can't compare these new kids to those old dudes. these new kids skin are so thin they won't be able to handle it. These new kids will fight you like you just stole their new shoes. no control.
Please add Vernon Maxwell to your cast permanently. He fits in seemlessly and adds a great dynamic to the crew.
No, thanks. I’ll take Bonzi & the white guy from the beginning of the show instead.
PREACH
It's fun bc he has no filter. But he is kinda stupid and stubborn and not mentally flexible enough to make it interesting over the long haul. Funny story about HO slapping some manners into him. Maybe he was better than Shaq...at least over a career.
When Vern Maxwell says you tough, YOU TOUGH!!!
Pause
@@ThatBoyPausepause for what ? You guys are lame as hell
@@ThatBoyPausenigga HOW IS THAT A PAUSE 😂😂😂 you doing too much
And when SHEED says HE didn’t want somebody’s smoke, you KNOW that was some smoke to not get!!
Right. My thoughts exactly
Respect to Terry Cummings. He was a beast when on the Milwaukee Bucks. He played for the Knicks for a half-a-season in the late 1990s.
He was a beast before that
And then he can pray for u after cause he was a pastor and didn't curse. So he could hurt u then heal u. Lol
He was a beast for the Clippers too.
@@2H2521 yup....that team had some good players.
@@Barnabus007 It sure did!
The Davis boys from the pacers. Xavier McDaniel
Yeah that era of basket ball was viscous this shid now is zesty as hell just like in society
XMAN WOULD BUST SOME A$$
“ My nose still crooked today “ 😂😂
Checks nose. Confirmed.
Mad Max is a captivating personality. Not loud just gets his points across always. I see why he has the awesome stories he does.
Love the Buck Williams mention, excellent defender & rebounder. Antonio McDyess & P.J. Brown are guys that comes to mind for me that I don’t hear many people mention too, if anybody.
Mcdyess was never a tough guy. He was a nice dude. I wish he never injured his leg. That man could jump out the building
PJ Brown is not a tough guy in my eyes not at that level
I remember big units would run into Buck and just stop dead...dude was made of teak
I used to go to Terry Cummings camp.. Carver High Wild 100s.. He would have Tim Hardaway and Juwan up there. It changed our lives and made a difference. Shoutout to TC Camp! #Chicago
Terry Cummings don't get the attention and credit he deserves from fans who didn't see him. Cummings doesn't get considered for the Hall of Fame because his stats don't jump off the page, but he was better than Marques Johnson, who he was traded for, but IS in the HOF.... Cummings was strong as an Ox and would wheel and deal on you, like Hakeem.
Fax
By the time marquis Johnson was traded ,he was a shell of his former self . Age does that ti everyone's career eventually . Obviously you never watched marquis in his prime !" Late seventies ,early eighties !" All players get old . Terry was a very good young player ,but not a hall of fame kind of talent .There is a reason marquis is in the hall of fame ,and it's not politics,it was his game !"
Late 70’s early 80’s marques tops Cummings, I’m
Sorry
@@creaghbell8179 Early '80s Terry Cummings was one of the best Power Forwards I've ever seen, outside of Barkley and Malone. Marques Johnson Benefited from a weak talent pool in the NBA pre-Bird and Magic.
@@mikedbigame3398 he was great but hardly elvin hayes or Bob pettit.. no magic or bird meant less box office attention, not a watered down league. Johnson was a stud big time
I love how Sheed always tells the Joe Klein story.
The Vernon Mawell, Buck Williams story ‘ was incredible.
Grow Ass Men!
The year before Portland got Buck Williams they were 39-43 and a first round out. Buck comes in that trade for Bowie and Portland jumps 20 games in the win column and goes to the Finals. That dude changed everything.
Never thought I'd say it. Sheed is probably my favorite guy to listen to on podcasts. Humble, funny, lets others talk, etc
Buck Williams was tough as hell blazers og
THE BUCK !!!!!🤬
His best days were with the Nets.
Buck Williams is so underrated. Too bad he's not talked about today b3cause he's just so unassuming and quiet being the simple blue collar kind of player.
Should be a hall of famer.
“You gonna walk over but ya gonna limp back”😂
I watched Mark Eaton catch Kevin Johnson in midair, do a 360, and throw Kevin out to the free throw line. Literal wrestling move. Kevin went right back at him.
In college, Terry Cummings saw Teddy Grubbs, come off the bench and score 29 points against UCLA. Instead of resigning himself to sitting behind Grubbs he said, either Teddy is going to sit or someone else is going to sit. I came here to play. Teddy sat. Teddy Grubbs was maybe the most highly recruited player of his time and Terry Cummings benched him. Outworked him, out toughed him. It changed the trajectory of Teddy Grubbs life.
I love these Vet podcasts. Big ups to u guys for doin it!
Ben Wallace. Charles Oakley. Kenyon Martin.
Mad Max. Chris Childs (fought Kobe and MJ)
ron artest enters the chat. stephen jackson fault fans
@@ambientsounds5832Nah. Their beef was with Ben Wallace. And they didn’t want no smoke.
Kenyon was so mean and physical.smh. No tranzz blacks existed then. No GTA videogames being played then by blacks. No skateboard riding blacks existed then.
@@NYUArchaeologyyes there was but you didn’t know because there was no internet back then. Now everything is right in your face. 🤷🏾♂️
@@NYUArchaeologyNobody wants to hear about your black crap, there was always people doing those things regardless of whether you yourself saw it or not.
Great to hear from this guy. He was was a wildcard back in the day.
Terry Cummings a legend here in Milwaukee. It’s a shame that bucks team was great but not good enough to get over the hump.
As a lifelong Blazer, hearing Vernon talk about Buck Williams just made my day.
Max still the Truth 🔥 HTown Rockets
Anthony Mason for me that dude gave the Knicks that scary aura.
Yeah but Oakley was the law enforcer, you break the rules or disrespect and you'll have to deal with him. Mason was like his son to be a backup enforcer lol
Vern has great stories!! 🔥🔥 True Real One!! 💯 💯
I wish I could find footage of Kleine laying out Sheed. I've heard him tell that story a few different times, so I'm quite sure it's legit.
HE LOOKS STRONG ON TV 🤷🏿♂️
Jerry stackhouse was not for the bullshit lol
Kurt Thomas, Latrell Sprewell, Danny Fortson, Ron Artest, Ben Wallace, Corliss Williamson, Reggie Evans,
Did you just pick those names out of a random hat or something? Spreewell was only tough against coaches
Mad Max and KG stories always have me dying!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
THAT OLE SCHOOL WAS SERIOUS & THEY DID NOT DISCRIMINATE!!!!!🏀🏀🏀💯💯💯
Anybody else miss the NBA when there was real hoops being played? Id like to see the stars today take it into the lane on the bad boy pistons
What does that even mean? So extremely physical basketball where someone could be injured is the equivalent of ‘real hoops’? Don’t just watch VHS tapes of the 80s now or what?
@akaspon1 facts. All that fouling cause you can't play D aint real hoops
I agree, the physicality didn’t take away from the scoring and highlight plays imo. But after the malice in the palace the league went straight gestopo on policing fights and tough plays
Yeah my point mainly is there's a lack of physicality and pride in protecting the paint nowadays.@@vanjones1749
The story Vernon M . Told about Buck Williams, reminds me of the altercation between Carmelo Anthony and Mardy Collins. When Melo was in Denver.Carmelo was killing the Knicks in that game. And after 1 dunk, Mardy C told Melo if he do that again , he would whoop Melo's ass. The next play Anthony dunks on Collins, and Mardy Collins went after CA. But Carmelo run away😅😅😂. You can watch that clip on the net. Man, I have mad respect to Anthony as a player. And for me he is in the top 3 pure scorers off all time. And I kind off feel bad that he hasn't a championship in his resume. But on that play Mardy C , by the way fringe NBA player and only solid Europlayer owned Mello s ass.🎉
Isn't Mardy Collins the dude Melo knocked TF out on national TV?
Mardy Collins, wow I haven’t heard that name in awhile. 😂
Top 3 scorer on the Knicks, probably, but not as good as Bernard King.
@@billmorrison9068 Carmelo Anthony is probably the most overrated player of the last 20 years.
Hmm Wilt had a 100 points, averaged 50 a season once, KD is a better pure scorer and you also have MJ. Who are you kicking out for fat boy Melo?
Yo Otis Thorpe was huge!
"Come on Cleetis! COME ON!!!" 🦷🤣🥊🏀🏆
“Come down here agaaain 😡🫵🏽”
😅😅
nutty professor reference was classic lol.
Vernon is one of the best interviews in the history of the NBA
Buck Williams was like the only dude that Karl Malone couldn’t bully.
He and Brian Grant
I would definitely hang out with Sheed and Mad Max and buy the first few rounds to hear some amazing untold NBA stories.😍🤣😎🏀
Anthony Mason, Artest, Ben Wallace
Shouts out to Philly! Sheed and mad max G’s salute.
I used to love watchin Buck Williams play.
Its funny how the guys they mentioned look exactly like guys u don't wanna fool with 😂
Anthony Mason.😬
I remember hearing Chris Webber saying he was completely taken by surprised by how strong Terry Cummings was!!!
Frank Brickowski
Frank the Tank
@@carlossosa1359 BrickOWski
The Brick was about that business also..
Being from Houston I remember watching Thorpe w/ the Rockets. He was big and everything but I honestly don’t remember seeing him in any fights
Sheed is cool dude….i honestly never thought that til this show.
Love this
Mad Max has found a niche for himself if he decides to do podcast 🔥💯
Terry Cummings was my favorite player growing up
Man I play 2K my league Fantasy draft , I decide to add the legends in the pool. Why Terry Cummings was giving me buckets all game. 😂 I drafted a whole new team and added #91 just for him
Oh...we know Vernon crazy, FLA!💯🤟🏿
Dudes was built different back then
Love this dude real talk
One name: Alvin Robertson
No doubt
I heard he was a different kind of tough....like shoot you for real type of tough lol.
Y'all do know that "Dawg" dropped over 'fiddy' on the Cavs when that wasn't an everyday occurrence . . . and he scored 30 of those in the 4th quarter --- that NEEGRO was FRFR!
#RESPECTMADMAX
The “rough era” of pro BB really was from 1966 to about 1990. From then on, the league began to crack down.
My nose still crooked...LOL
Vernon Maxwell is the Charlie Murphy of the NBA
Biggups. Mad Max. And Ball don't lie. Norff Philly all day Sheed!!
Max MAx MAXX YOU A BADD MOTOR SCOOTER
YOU NEVER AGE
High school players were rare
That’s why players today couldn’t play in OUR era..
That’s part of the GAME ..these young CATS dont talk about.. can you handle that type of mental and physical punishment and still be competitive…
If three guys hit you .. The Ref can only call a foul on 1 player..
LOL..
no PRIDE in Defense anymore .. NO PRIDE in competing NO PRIDE in being an all around player..
Non basketball moves aren't part of the game
The talent level overall in the NBA Is so much higher than it was in the 80s.
@@tommyfu9271 That may be true to a degree, but the rules have changed, and the refs are more lax in calling basic rules, e.g., traveling, carrying; and I've been watching hoops since the 70's and went to a lot of games live (Sonics). It's disgraceful what players today get away with. Let Jerry West be able to do some of that and see what he would have done, and add in a 3 point line and watch that man get down!
@@JazzyJ5G Jerry West would be incredible in any era and obviously would have benefited a lot from the 3 point shot.
I mean I'd agree things have gotten a little too lax but the overall quality of play is way better than in the 80s.
@@tommyfu9271 Indeed he would! One thing that today's players lack in general is: They are soft and entitled brats compared to the OG's, and they don't have the same competitive fire; and the 3-point line and how it's utilized today with certain teams and their systems, has ruined the game to some degree. I honestly had no interest in watching the Finals this year at all, and I'm all for Kyrie getting another ring!
@@tommyfu9271 I noticed when guys actually played defense more in this year's playoffs and the refs let more stuff go, teams/players weren't looking as good and some of the teams were barely hitting 90 points. Defense changes everything.
Mad Max makes saying MFer sound cool!!
Grown men, strong men!
The Rev!!. Terry Cummings. Believe it. Teal deal.
If they would’ve been getting fined like they are now, shit wouldn’t have been as physical.
Surprised Maxwell didn't say Hakeem
Rick Mahorn? 🤷🏿
Only Max!😂😂😂😂😂
Ultimate tough guy would be the guy who is 100% capable and is the strongest guy in the league but doesn’t succumb to throwing down. Steven Adams!!!
When did OLD SCHOOL BB END...Just listening to Vern And Sheed Talk about...DONT COME DOWN HERE NO MO'....MY NOSE IS STILL CROOKED....THANKS...TODAY, You come down the lane Other Team gives you room, A High 5, And says..GET YO MONEY...
JC
Ron Artest💪🏾💯
Mad Max is insane 😂 og
Fighting and bullying players doesn't make a player tough it shows you that they are weak
Anthony Mason
Mark Aguirre
It was all about respect back in those days you score a bucket you run back now dudes wanna celebrate like football players after every good play
Maurice Lucas
Mad Max!!!
MAX was different. Mofo played to to MAX. - - !!!!SOS!!!! - - keep the players and stories going. Thank you dudes, Good Journey - L7
Vernon could play in the wire lol the game the game!
Nineties tough guy no one talks about, bryon Houston. I read something one of his teammates said once sounded like he was frightening
Byron. He didn't last long in the league.
Bro said he was bleeding like a hog.
Damn Joe Kline?
In todays game we have Draymond Greene🤡
buck williams larry johnson terry cummings !
The young boys today like to talk so much shit but when you play pick up ball with old guys in the 40s and beyond you better respect them because you will get the shit knocked out of you if you are a loudmouth.
Larry Johnson couldn't squabble when he squared up to Alonzo Mourning (neither could Alonzo), I don't rate him as a "tough guy".
Ben Wallace...
If Steph Curry did his shoulder shimmy back in the 80's and 90's he would have been in the hospital for a week at minimum.
This is because players had no skill, so they tried to hurt you! Dudes were wack! I'm glad now its either you can play or you cannot. You can’t hurt players!
Buck Wms Rky Mt NC finest
Karl Malone!!!
All y'all thinking that LeBron would be this healthy at his age in the NBA they're talking about right now.... Are out of y'alls DAMNED MIND!!! Look... Michael Cage knocked my homeboy's front teeth out in a MFing PICKUP GAME!!! Big Tank is like 6'7" 235. Night after Night, GETTING LUMPED by Karl Malone, The Ellis Boys in Indiana, Big Oak and Mase in NYK, Buck Williams, TC, X Man, Detroit.... All those kind of Dudes are GOING TO PUT A HURTING ON YOUR A55 THAT WON'T LET YOU PLAY INTO YOUR 40'S unless all you do is take Threes and the only people allowed to do that then were Del Curry, Eddie Johnson and two or the three others coming off the bench. END THE BULLSH17 ALREADY!!! LUMPS ILL BE DISTRIBUTED!!!
can't compare these new kids to those old dudes. these new kids skin are so thin they won't be able to handle it. These new kids will fight you like you just stole their new shoes. no control.
🤴🏽🤴🏽🤴🏽