Scythe Grill I donβt remember DLift saying that, but he did say people donβt give Sneaky enough credits (mostly due to the Sneaky in lane meme). Dlift thinks Sneaky is a solid low-econ ADC. He can play weak-side bot and and still manage to be useful in teamfights later even at gold disadvantage.
the feeling as C9 was losing the last game and chat spamming was ecstatic. the biggest fuck you to ever happen after all the 'Sneaky was the problem' spammers
β@@misxfitx The thing is Zvens lategame teamfighting was atrocious. Him getting hit by multiple senna binds was game losing. Sneaky was always great late game in comparison, though his laning phase was not particularly great. It does feel great though. I always thought Reapered was the problem, not the players.
@@ahhmm5381 Sneaky never won lane, but he never hard lost lane either. He always just played conservative and safe and maintained as close to even CS as possible. I guess they were saying C9's coach got tired of playing around a losing bot lane every game and wanted to pressure the map and play through more lanes than mid.
β@@Islandi320 I don't think Reapered really wanted to play around bot. This whole year it was Nisqy and Blaber playing together. Even Zven said in their wins he felt like he was doing nothing. It all ended when teams started target banning Blaber and Nisqy's champs, and they could do nothing. The final nail in the coffin was the meta shifted to Caitlyn. Since C9 never played around bot, I would guess their scrims went horribly which is why they had to ban it every game in playoffs. It doesn't help that Zven's teamfight positioning was... challenged... Regardless, I believe Sneaky was often touted as being a calming voice on the team when they were losing. This is incredibly important if you are down early in a series. Useful for reverse sweeps. Current C9? They looked so tilted and had no trust in each other this series.
TheChickenCameFirst tbh Iβll take winning a season and going like 40-2 which was cool and fun than going to worlds watching eu spam how we suk n get rolled in groups π
@@sunflower-qn3wu To each his own. I personally think winning a season in na means nothing (especially when pros said they didnt care about said season *laugh emoji*)
He was a shitty player in his last year at C9. This is exactly why NA will never improve - they glorify personalities instead of skill. Just rewatch his last worlds performance for a good laugh. Even Faker doesn't mind getting subbed out. Ego on this guy lol.
Dis Boy Doe absolutely, but itβs good to get insight on what you can do in the future in similar situations, like in game one where sneaky and meteos were like donβt take bork on set against lucian just build tank, and then licorice built bork anyways. prob not the best move, but now it teaches others not to do that in similar lanes
Sneaky did have problems, but he also solved a lot of problems. He was the team's emotional leadership/captain. C9 probably doesn't get this cocky with him around but they also might not win as much as they did with Zven in the first place.
@@jackscott1218 i disagree, their wins come from jungle being 1x9 win or int with team following after him. zven and sneaky pretty much play exact same playstyle exept unlike zven sneaky dont make risky plays that can toss entire game out the window
@@Yese7 My comment was literally a reference to a video from 2016. That person replied, obviously not getting the reference. Figured, I'd just point it out. But stay braindead, perfect example of the rest of the braindead fucks on this garbage server.
meteos at 22:35 had me rolling, spends like half an hour trashtalking c9's drafts and when they win a fight "perfect comp perfect execution i never doubted them"
Lmao cuz TSM was so boosted lol. I donβt want to see either of them at worlds because both teams are playing so boosted I donβt even know how this is humanly possible in LCS
@@mrfreehdx9069 lmaaoooooo trolling always wins. On a real note I just don't feel like the solo q term boosted should be used in amy type of setting outside of solo q. Any time a team doesn't perform they're "boosted"?
Pretty sure DL commented on one of his streams he uses Senna E like that occasionally as it hides your teammates so you can't see who's coming at you (near end of game 1)
@@albertdo6194 For whatever reason his drafts tend to become complete and utter shit during playoffs but that randomly started happening during the regular split and I'm not sure the team was ready to cope with that.
@@eriksaunders4681 im not denying the bad choices like zven face checking bushes. But honestly during draft face in most games they have played, assuming each laner is equal talen and ability. There have been few games where you look at the comps and go man c9 has a better comp or a tank to eat up that engage. Most the games theyve lost the other teams just seem to have a more rounded comp. When you behind it makes you're win conditions easier to execute.
@@eriksaunders4681 i think they would struggle even if they weren't bad, because they are still outdrafted because the meta favors tanks and cc with a strong bot side.
@@eriksaunders4681 I think its just other teams getting their teamwork together finally and c9 doesn't know how to play when play a doesn't work, when they're even or behind.
The drafting from C9 since the 2nd half of the split went to shit. It's like the scrims people were talking about was the rest of the team sabotaging C9 to think that their drafts were good and it will work on stage. The other teams just loses the scrims against C9 on purpose to give them false hope on their drafts. That's crazy to think, but at the same time it's funny lol.
@@kenchen704 C9 actually very good in spring. The problem is when they're smurfing everyone going 35-0 they think they're invincible, got super cocky and arrogant, their weaknesses have been exposed to the other team, and REFUSE TO ADAPT TO META in summer (they still pick what's broken in Spring but nerfed af like Sett, ezreal yuumi). In summer Caitlyn is the the meta but Zven refuses to play it
Ricky Muzakki so..... they think they are good, but actually are not good? Didnβt I say that right lolol. Yeah they were good in Spring, kinda, when the rest of NA is in shambles they do look good. But now, itβs pathetic
It is actually overwhelmingly baffling how Nisqy/Blaber went from being the best mid/jg duo in the league to looking like they have ZERO synergy whatsoever in games, and how the only players that look like themselves on C9 are Zven and Vulcan. I do not understand whatsoever how this team goes from 35-2 smurfing in pisslow, to everyone consistently making mistakes and throwing away Worlds. It's actually so crazy man, what happened to them?
Blabber, thinks he is good, actually is not. In Summer playoffs he is just boosted asf, itβs just terrible league of legends challenger solo queue players wonβt make those kind of mistakes
iβm pretty sure itβs just their playstyles being exposed. blaber has always been a very aggressive jungler and teams have been baiting him to take terrible fights due to him not willing to back down. nisqy is a system player who only looks good when his teammates do well. only person i would truly say is performing up to standard is vulcan
@@albertdo6194 yes and no, their play style is getting exposed because the meta shifted and they are trying to continually force what used to work and are failing to do so.
@Thedwarvenpower Can I like this comment more times to it has a chance of C9 seeing it? Reapered shit the bed last year making Sneaky pick insanely stupid solo que picks that don't translate into pro play. Heimer, Sona, Morg...bot lane. Put sneaky on an adc and he'll find the picks, he'll survive the fights and he'll push his advantage.
@@yvonnasun yes, he co-owns C9 but after Worlds last year, the team made him feel like no one wants to play with the bot lane (Sneaky & Blaber) and it made Sneaky not want to fight for his spot anymore.
C9 was being petty. We thought of them as the meme team but it was just Sneaky. C9 just got undeserved attention. They benched Sneaky because he liked a tweet from Meteos. C9 is toxic.
Changing a roster doesnβt solve problems automatically, they should have learnt that from TSMβs slumber after the off-season of 2017. And also C9 picking up Sven after seeing what the fuck he was doing at TSM? Probably the most boosted Ezreal ever known to NA.
It wasn't his fault. Zayzel was not playing well on C9 just before all this went down. His lane phase was doing Sneaky 0 favors and I think it's really why Zayzel also bailed. It wouldn't of taken long to expose him after Sneaky got booted. I remember an interview with DoubleLift soon after Sneaky got kicked from C9 saying how Zayzel was playing like shit and Sneaky was still playing well despite it.
@@cxm Licorice was inting at worlds going 1-6, but shifting the blame on bot lane while Svenskeren revealed that Reapered wanted to experiment on stage because he didn't believe they could win, so they put Sneaky on Heimerdinger, Sona, and Cassio. Go rewatch 2019 world's. Licorice only had 1 good Fiora game. Svenskeren also said they won against every team in scrims except for FPX and IG. Ex players have lost respect for reapered and even Jensen says that Reapered tends to 500 IQ himself instead. Those garbage picks tilted Svenskeren and he sided with Sneaky saying it was a team issue and not a player issue because those drafts were terrible.
@@HuehuehueEsBest it wasn't a week tho. Starting from summer, their games have been getting sloppier and sloppier. I loved their dedication during the spring but summer felt like they were just cocky AF and thought they could steamroll still without respecting their opponents. I want to love this team and would normally support but the cockiness felt a lot like false bravado.
@@HuehuehueEsBest C9 actually very good in spring. The problem is when they're smurfing everyone going 35-0 they think they're invincible, got super cocky and arrogant, their weaknesses have been exposed to the other team, and REFUSE TO ADAPT TO META in summer (they still pick what's broken in Spring but nerfed af like Sett, ezreal yuumi). In summer Caitlyn is the meta but Zven refuses to play it
This always makes me laugh to always see competitive anything. Seeing a team go absolutely god mode in regular season. To then shit the bed in playoffs.
C9 didn't play perfectly in Spring. Teams wanted to cancel the split including DoubleLift. There was literally no competition in NA when TL failed to make playoffs. Vulcan playing Tahm Kench covered up for a lot of Zven's misposition. Nisqy and Blabber can only play certain metas. Zven can play Caitlyn in SoloQ, but not competitively. He had a 53% win rate on Caitlyn while being on G2 the most dominant team in EU. Licorice has always been overextending since he came into the scene, but C9 is great at playing around rookies, hence making them look better than they actually are which is why TSM even in the reverse sweep and impact always manages to outplay Licorice in playoffs.
Doublelift and Parth returns to TSM Roster = Worlds 2020 Zven is on C9 Roster and Sneaky isn't = No Worlds. Means, C9 Roster needs Sneaky, but Sneaky doesn't need C9 that much to make Worlds :P
The amount of salty people triggered by the tittle thinking sneaky is the one in charge of his youtube eventhough everything is done by his editor. KEKW
55:48 LOL donated 5 dollars is great. I LOVE how vindicating this is for Sneaky and Biolift. Sneaky was always the best teamfighting NA adc while DL was the best sit back afk and luck your way to wins. I bet Licorice, Nisqy, and Jack are all regretting teaming up against you to have you "step down" from the team. The game has a ADC role for a REASON. So SNEAKY can be the primary carry and you put that Beavis looking M'fer top lane on tank duty. Im astounded Mao'kai isn't played bc its the granddaddy of all tanks. Like Azeal likes to joke "Hit em with the Mao'kai"
Licorice was also the one feeding at worlds 2019 while managing to have 1 good game on Fiora. Bot lane was stuck on Cassio, Heimerdinger, and Sona. It was revealed by Svenskeren that they were experimenting on stage because Reapered didn't feel like they could win in which Svenskeren said that they won against all teams in scrims except for FPX and IG.
Didnt zven apparently come out and say Caitlyn isn't a playmaking champion prior to this series that's why he doesn't play her she is a warped champion (team needs to play around it)
I love that he's still taking shots at his former org. I also GENUINELY love that C9 was knocked out. Not for NA, but because of how arrogant some of their players were (Sven/Nisqy). They deserved a bit of humility.
In the first game Sneaky and Meteos were saying that Sett building BORK was a bad idea, was tbat because most of the enemy team is range and he wonβt be able to AA anyone consistently? If not, can someone please tell me why? Oh and why is Cait better blue side? Is it something to do with her traps? Xd
@@kenvuaturmikszgep6362 I did some research and saw that Cait can place some nasty traps on red side, so why is Cait not a waste of a ban for the red side? Sorry if I'm missing something, I'm dumb xd
@@soar0284 Its not exactly that she's "better on blue side", but blue side picks first. If you're picking first then you don't ban the by-far-strongest adc in the meta, you just pick and play it. In red side you would need a huge fuck up (or strategy?) from the blue team to not ban OR pick it for you to have a chance at picking it, so towards very highly contested ban or pick kinda champions, red side always bans, blue side SHOULD always pick, unless it really fucks with the rest of your comp or has batlant lane counters you're afraid of, ectc.
@@soar0284 Blue side picks first. If you dont ban red side it can be ok but you probably need to build your teamcomp only to make her useless. For example LCK use Ashe as counterpick because the best adcs can play the champ near perfection. Its rather a mindgame in LCK Do you dare to pick Cait into Ashe? but in Na we dont have a Ruler or Ghost so C9 just trolling not accept Caitlyn is the best first pick champ. Even when she has a crap early game still wins most games in Na.
I feel like blaber was bluffing a lot, playing a game of chicken and running games over when he got an advantage from it. Teams started calling his bluff early, than the team had no idea how to play. My perspective.
57:56 the problem with this is blaber tried to flash e to get the point and click cc, but was out of range after flashing and then has a delayed q, if he was just confident enough for the flash q he kills everytime after hitting
No if he Q before flash next Q is autotarget so he 100% get the stun. It was too optimistic to get the E when BB had flash. Maybe he thought he had nimbus cloack idk. But anyway not a perfect Evelyn play.
what they said at 21:08 is exactly what i said in playoffs. its not the other teams that got better( except tl, but the only way was up for them considering how bad they were in spring), its c9 that got worse. their drafts were garbage, players were making mistakes in build choices, in rune choices and everything and i kept saying tsm was gonna get punished at worlds with their zilean pick. nisquy, who is not a good laner by any means had a solo kill on bjerg if he didnt troll at the end, so one could only imagine what guys like bdd, showmaker, chovy and knight were gonna do to his zilean, but people kept saying i was hating
hahahahahaha love it. C9 having such a great year and missing worlds the way they did Sneaky dirty. Karma. I mean...Sneaky can play Caitlyn at least lmbo
I love watching pro play but something about this kind of commentating is way more entertaining than the shout-casting you regularly hear from the LCS.
I don't know why but I think c9 about to have another drama and Licorice will be in the center. They were known as having the most dominant season in na history but doesn't make worlds?
Sneaky I can't believe it's almost been a year since you last played for C9. I hope your back has had enough time to recover from constantly carrying them. Karma works in wonderful ways doesn't it? :)
@@dimyell if you look at podcasts that involved old C9 players like svernsken, they said that it was reapered who was mainly making problems for their team.
@@cingsing986 yep. LCS losing jatt made the analyst weak again. he can fulfill his shoes easily. He already has a lot of experience on the desk as an analyst anyways plus he's pretty well spoken. maybe he wants to try 1 more year out as a pro but I really hope he becomes an analyst LCS commentator
@@YeahChance I don't think he'd fill the shoes per say but he would definitely help raise the bar I mean LCS production is light-years away from LEC, but I see it improving definitely
yeah i mean nobody was able to understand the cait ban on blue side. its supposed to be the red team having to ban cait every game and blue side getting a free ban, but c9 gave tsm a free ban by always banning cait on blue
It's actually very good, you actually can kill tanks, also hp and speed help you survive and kite. The 36% armor reduction also makes squishy even squishier
Sneaky left and took the tickets to Worlds with him LMAO
True, lmao.
what ticket are you talking about, did i missed something
@@DanielHall212 LOL
@@DanielHall212 yeah you missed the joke
LMAO
Sneaky was the enemy's only problem
yeah, even DLift kept saying in interviews that it's Sneaky that really knows how to lane
@@scythegrill4673 do you have link?
Scythe Grill I donβt remember DLift saying that, but he did say people donβt give Sneaky enough credits (mostly due to the Sneaky in lane meme). Dlift thinks Sneaky is a solid low-econ ADC. He can play weak-side bot and and still manage to be useful in teamfights later even at gold disadvantage.
@@Aliens1337 maybe you're thinking of one of d-lift's interviews when he compared zven and sneaky?
Alien nah I definitely remember DL saying Sneaky was the 2nd best adc (other than himself) at the beginning of this year
watching this live and then seeing chat spamming "NO SNEAKY catJAM NO WORLDS catJAM" was relieving and hilarious
the feeling as C9 was losing the last game and chat spamming was ecstatic. the biggest fuck you to ever happen after all the 'Sneaky was the problem' spammers
nct trash FACTS
β@@misxfitx The thing is Zvens lategame teamfighting was atrocious. Him getting hit by multiple senna binds was game losing.
Sneaky was always great late game in comparison, though his laning phase was not particularly great.
It does feel great though. I always thought Reapered was the problem, not the players.
@@ahhmm5381 Sneaky never won lane, but he never hard lost lane either. He always just played conservative and safe and maintained as close to even CS as possible. I guess they were saying C9's coach got tired of playing around a losing bot lane every game and wanted to pressure the map and play through more lanes than mid.
β@@Islandi320 I don't think Reapered really wanted to play around bot. This whole year it was Nisqy and Blaber playing together. Even Zven said in their wins he felt like he was doing nothing.
It all ended when teams started target banning Blaber and Nisqy's champs, and they could do nothing. The final nail in the coffin was the meta shifted to Caitlyn. Since C9 never played around bot, I would guess their scrims went horribly which is why they had to ban it every game in playoffs. It doesn't help that Zven's teamfight positioning was... challenged...
Regardless, I believe Sneaky was often touted as being a calming voice on the team when they were losing. This is incredibly important if you are down early in a series. Useful for reverse sweeps.
Current C9? They looked so tilted and had no trust in each other this series.
NO SNEAKY NO WORLDS
catJAM
with sneaky no champ title
@@JasonJia11 yeah, can't be world champs if you dont qualify PEPW
@@JasonJia11 Spring split matters btw KEKW
@@Tekn0Afr0 pugPls
Imagine blaming sneaky for being the most consistent factor in the team.
consistently shit XD
@@ovs4744 consistently made it to worlds at least XDD
TheChickenCameFirst tbh Iβll take winning a season and going like 40-2 which was cool and fun than going to worlds watching eu spam how we suk n get rolled in groups π
@@sunflower-qn3wu To each his own. I personally think winning a season in na means nothing (especially when pros said they didnt care about said season *laugh emoji*)
@@sunflower-qn3wu that's a yikes! Could be a good argument if it was a good region :)
Sneaky snuck off with all their skill kek
People saying "Sneaky performed poorly last Worlds" well just watch this worlds C9 performance... Oh wait
Too bad C9 isn't even going to worlds LOOOL...
quantumXphysikz thatβs the joke
@@dylanhuynh9152 I know i wasn't replying to him, i was replying to the people who say that
Well hes the only NA adc who reached in semi-finals in worlds
@@LEC1857-6inFinalsGotReverseSwe And funny enough, Sneaky always performed during worlds. Not a flashy player or anything but he always did well.
So C9 not only lost half of their fan base dropping Sneaky, THEY ALSO LOST A SPOT IN WORLDS....... NICE JOB C9 MANAGEMENT KEKW
Not only mention they havenβt missed one single world in a long time, lol.
@@Biinshy theyve only missed worlds where they were not an organization
Thatβs serious hyperbole. C9 fans stuck with the team, the only ones who left werenβt C9 fans, they were Sneaky fans.
He was a shitty player in his last year at C9. This is exactly why NA will never improve - they glorify personalities instead of skill. Just rewatch his last worlds performance for a good laugh. Even Faker doesn't mind getting subbed out. Ego on this guy lol.
@@basedserb1389 Unfortunate that they get literally nothing now. :)
Man i love these videos where pros watch and analize pro matches. For some reason its so interesting to watch.
To be fair the hindsight bias helps, on the spot it's probably harder to make good decisions
Dis Boy Doe absolutely, but itβs good to get insight on what you can do in the future in similar situations, like in game one where sneaky and meteos were like donβt take bork on set against lucian just build tank, and then licorice built bork anyways. prob not the best move, but now it teaches others not to do that in similar lanes
I love it
Itβs also because they see things we wouldnβt or think of other better options
It's good because they actually know the game unlike the casters which
i guess sneaky wasnβt the problem LOL
Sneaky did have problems, but he also solved a lot of problems. He was the team's emotional leadership/captain. C9 probably doesn't get this cocky with him around but they also might not win as much as they did with Zven in the first place.
@@jackscott1218 i disagree, their wins come from jungle being 1x9 win or int with team following after him. zven and sneaky pretty much play exact same playstyle exept unlike zven sneaky dont make risky plays that can toss entire game out the window
@@luk4s56 zven plays strongside Sneaky plays weak side. That alone is a massive difference
@@jackscott1218 i guess you are right, but is that sneaky's problem that his team dont play around him? i dont think its that he cant play strong side
@@luk4s56 except zven cant play with the meta.
c9 went from regular season Huni/Reignover IMT to playoffs Huni/Reignover IMT in a year
That's actually hilarious π
Just tilt them
Thats such a good take.
@@yandhi5016 I can tell you haven't been watching for very long.
ua-cam.com/video/vkXbe4PmDdA/v-deo.html
@@Yese7 My comment was literally a reference to a video from 2016. That person replied, obviously not getting the reference. Figured, I'd just point it out. But stay braindead, perfect example of the rest of the braindead fucks on this garbage server.
Can Sneaky just have his own esports team. Iβd fully support that shit
Emm, he kinda owns C9 :3
@@mrxercz What how? Is it for real?
@@andrezu8251 no, heβs alluding to the fact that c9 was consistently good with him, and now look at them crumbling
LayZ nah he has some equity of c9 making him a part owner
@@andrezu8251 Yup, Sneaky said it himself, he is part owner and advisor of Cloud 9.
meteos at 22:35 had me rolling, spends like half an hour trashtalking c9's drafts and when they win a fight "perfect comp perfect execution i never doubted them"
Lmao cuz TSM was so boosted lol. I donβt want to see either of them at worlds because both teams are playing so boosted I donβt even know how this is humanly possible in LCS
@@kenchen704 you're boosted
@@WealthyWizard369 what a great argument, u win these
@@mrfreehdx9069 lmaaoooooo trolling always wins.
On a real note I just don't feel like the solo q term boosted should be used in amy type of setting outside of solo q. Any time a team doesn't perform they're "boosted"?
@@mrfreehdx9069 That's the argument he made for TSM. They literally said the same thing
No Sneaky, No Worlds. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
Zven finally took TSM to worlds. High fives all around!
Amazing worlds performance by TSM! More high-fives!
agi gun Too soon π
I can listen to these two talk all day with no worries
Pretty sure DL commented on one of his streams he uses Senna E like that occasionally as it hides your teammates so you can't see who's coming at you (near end of game 1)
Makes sense. He has a tf so he can hide him which letβs him get close and then he can card them if they donβt back off
At least Sneaky can play more than Ezreal
What's really insane is that Sven CAN play more than Ezreal, yet consistently chooses not to.
@@SilverZephyr09 It's not so much that he chooses not to, but that Reapered doesn't let him for whatever reason.
5 Percent Juice fr reaperedβs drafts have been abysmal
@@albertdo6194 For whatever reason his drafts tend to become complete and utter shit during playoffs but that randomly started happening during the regular split and I'm not sure the team was ready to cope with that.
Zvenβs Ezreal is the biggest joke ever in the history of LCS. Ints TSMβs shot at playoffs championship, and now this
This is the video we were all looking forward to see
meteos saying that was an explosive meal was hilarious
I lol'd pretty hard there too
I love that meteos pointed out what I've been saying for a month...c9 low cc comps with hard win conditions.
Yeah but they did that a lot before they were "bad" they just are sucking at team play and communication recently.
@@eriksaunders4681 im not denying the bad choices like zven face checking bushes. But honestly during draft face in most games they have played, assuming each laner is equal talen and ability. There have been few games where you look at the comps and go man c9 has a better comp or a tank to eat up that engage. Most the games theyve lost the other teams just seem to have a more rounded comp. When you behind it makes you're win conditions easier to execute.
@@eriksaunders4681 i think they would struggle even if they weren't bad, because they are still outdrafted because the meta favors tanks and cc with a strong bot side.
@@eriksaunders4681 I think its just other teams getting their teamwork together finally and c9 doesn't know how to play when play a doesn't work, when they're even or behind.
I couldn't wait to watch the reaction to the TK eating the bomb in game 4. Another fine episode of Snekeos Speaks!
The drafting from C9 since the 2nd half of the split went to shit. It's like the scrims people were talking about was the rest of the team sabotaging C9 to think that their drafts were good and it will work on stage. The other teams just loses the scrims against C9 on purpose to give them false hope on their drafts. That's crazy to think, but at the same time it's funny lol.
Lmao the kind of mentality, C9 thinks they are good, actually is not.
Maybe C9 just kept scriming TL while TSM kept scrimming FLY
@@kenchen704 C9 actually very good in spring. The problem is when they're smurfing everyone going 35-0 they think they're invincible, got super cocky and arrogant, their weaknesses have been exposed to the other team, and REFUSE TO ADAPT TO META in summer (they still pick what's broken in Spring but nerfed af like Sett, ezreal yuumi). In summer Caitlyn is the the meta but Zven refuses to play it
Ricky Muzakki so..... they think they are good, but actually are not good? Didnβt I say that right lolol. Yeah they were good in Spring, kinda, when the rest of NA is in shambles they do look good. But now, itβs pathetic
It is actually overwhelmingly baffling how Nisqy/Blaber went from being the best mid/jg duo in the league to looking like they have ZERO synergy whatsoever in games, and how the only players that look like themselves on C9 are Zven and Vulcan. I do not understand whatsoever how this team goes from 35-2 smurfing in pisslow, to everyone consistently making mistakes and throwing away Worlds. It's actually so crazy man, what happened to them?
It's because they have an incredibly poor read on the meta and got smacked and now have zero confidence in their play because they got smacked.
i think the play where blabber steals the kill on reksai said all it needed to about their synergy.
Blabber, thinks he is good, actually is not. In Summer playoffs he is just boosted asf, itβs just terrible league of legends challenger solo queue players wonβt make those kind of mistakes
iβm pretty sure itβs just their playstyles being exposed. blaber has always been a very aggressive jungler and teams have been baiting him to take terrible fights due to him not willing to back down. nisqy is a system player who only looks good when his teammates do well. only person i would truly say is performing up to standard is vulcan
@@albertdo6194 yes and no, their play style is getting exposed because the meta shifted and they are trying to continually force what used to work and are failing to do so.
Honestly I'm really glad C9 didnt make it to worlds without Sneaky, they didnt deserve it after what they did with it lmao.
out of the loop but what did they do to sneaky? I thought sneaky co-owned c9?
@Thedwarvenpower Can I like this comment more times to it has a chance of C9 seeing it? Reapered shit the bed last year making Sneaky pick insanely stupid solo que picks that don't translate into pro play. Heimer, Sona, Morg...bot lane. Put sneaky on an adc and he'll find the picks, he'll survive the fights and he'll push his advantage.
@@yvonnasun yes, he co-owns C9 but after Worlds last year, the team made him feel like no one wants to play with the bot lane (Sneaky & Blaber) and it made Sneaky not want to fight for his spot anymore.
lmao Sneaky is being so gracious the temptation to gloat must be so large.
Licorice : Change bot lane Jack.
Coach :πΆ
Zven in tsm: tsm no worlds
Zven joins c9: c9 no worlds
HMMMMMM
HMMMMMM
Zven in Origen Semifinal Worlds hmm
@@MrSznureczek you either die a hero or live long enough to go to NA
EU: NA RUINED ZVEN Kappa
Zven joins c9: tsm in worlds
Heβs 0-5 on the champion so far...
βThatβs impressiveβ
Kick Sneaky miss worlds! I been saying that since I saw the "Thank You Sneaky"
The whole team was the problem not sneaky. Sneaky was the only consistent factor.
Sneaky has gone to Worlds every single year (except 1 I think) with completely different rosters. Remove Sneaky and no Worlds...
@@ok4412 bruh sneaky been to every worlds since the creation of c9. He has never missed a worlds since he became a pro
@@Junpii66 I think I mistook C9 not making it out of groups once with not making Worlds at all.
Can we please get more Sneaky/Meteos analysis in 2021? GREAT hearing them.
The only way i can watch LCS. Professional Analytics with the spice of trolling.
C9 has been this biggest let down. Sneaky is the better adc i donβt know how you where the problem
C9 was being petty. We thought of them as the meme team but it was just Sneaky. C9 just got undeserved attention. They benched Sneaky because he liked a tweet from Meteos. C9 is toxic.
Changing a roster doesnβt solve problems automatically, they should have learnt that from TSMβs slumber after the off-season of 2017. And also C9 picking up Sven after seeing what the fuck he was doing at TSM? Probably the most boosted Ezreal ever known to NA.
@@cxm yeah man, better than losing at worlds is not even making it to worlds lmfao nice logic
It wasn't his fault. Zayzel was not playing well on C9 just before all this went down. His lane phase was doing Sneaky 0 favors and I think it's really why Zayzel also bailed. It wouldn't of taken long to expose him after Sneaky got booted. I remember an interview with DoubleLift soon after Sneaky got kicked from C9 saying how Zayzel was playing like shit and Sneaky was still playing well despite it.
@@cxm Licorice was inting at worlds going 1-6, but shifting the blame on bot lane while Svenskeren revealed that Reapered wanted to experiment on stage because he didn't believe they could win, so they put Sneaky on Heimerdinger, Sona, and Cassio. Go rewatch 2019 world's. Licorice only had 1 good Fiora game. Svenskeren also said they won against every team in scrims except for FPX and IG. Ex players have lost respect for reapered and even Jensen says that Reapered tends to 500 IQ himself instead. Those garbage picks tilted Svenskeren and he sided with Sneaky saying it was a team issue and not a player issue because those drafts were terrible.
I was waiting the whole week this video.
Te amo Sneaky
The title is so spicy, loved it
What are they talking about at 34:00?
C9 did so well this year until other teams actually put together competitive rosters. Watching sneaky rip the knuckle dragging drafts is so cathartic
@@HuehuehueEsBest it wasn't a week tho. Starting from summer, their games have been getting sloppier and sloppier. I loved their dedication during the spring but summer felt like they were just cocky AF and thought they could steamroll still without respecting their opponents. I want to love this team and would normally support but the cockiness felt a lot like false bravado.
@@HuehuehueEsBest C9 actually very good in spring. The problem is when they're smurfing everyone going 35-0 they think they're invincible, got super cocky and arrogant, their weaknesses have been exposed to the other team, and REFUSE TO ADAPT TO META in summer (they still pick what's broken in Spring but nerfed af like Sett, ezreal yuumi). In summer Caitlyn is the meta but Zven refuses to play it
NO SNEAKY NO WORLDS Period.
29:00 the fading "fuuuuuuck.......!" Reminded me of team rocket blasting off again lmaooo
38:55 LMAOOOOO THAT DONATION
That first herald was painful to watch
22:30
can someone explain to me what he is talking about.
This always makes me laugh to always see competitive anything. Seeing a team go absolutely god mode in regular season. To then shit the bed in playoffs.
C9 didn't play perfectly in Spring. Teams wanted to cancel the split including DoubleLift. There was literally no competition in NA when TL failed to make playoffs. Vulcan playing Tahm Kench covered up for a lot of Zven's misposition. Nisqy and Blabber can only play certain metas. Zven can play Caitlyn in SoloQ, but not competitively. He had a 53% win rate on Caitlyn while being on G2 the most dominant team in EU. Licorice has always been overextending since he came into the scene, but C9 is great at playing around rookies, hence making them look better than they actually are which is why TSM even in the reverse sweep and impact always manages to outplay Licorice in playoffs.
I remember watching this game 4 and thinking broken blade was insane. But wow seeing the licorice feeding angle of this game was amazing
Doublelift and Parth returns to TSM Roster = Worlds 2020
Zven is on C9 Roster and Sneaky isn't = No Worlds.
Means, C9 Roster needs Sneaky, but Sneaky doesn't need C9 that much to make Worlds :P
The title is everything lmao priceless, nice one
I loled for a second time the most expensive player of the year memes the adc with zilean bomb over his head
think u are too blind to notice zven was the one with the bomb
@@SweeYong98 oh was it my bad .
That double kill with the bomb was hilarious
You were the only one keeping C9 top tier
I remember Sneaky solo outplaying samsungs botlane with graves at worlds. Best moment...
Up 50 cs vs Deft too.
It's a great feeling watching c9 lose over and over again after sneaky is out.
The amount of salty people triggered by the tittle thinking sneaky is the one in charge of his youtube eventhough everything is done by his editor. KEKW
No cc game 2 but they had lillia multi sleep? zzven senna w no cc either?
hard to land cc
Lol watching this now and here "Jensen is a good Zilean."
55:48 LOL donated 5 dollars is great. I LOVE how vindicating this is for Sneaky and Biolift. Sneaky was always the best teamfighting NA adc while DL was the best sit back afk and luck your way to wins. I bet Licorice, Nisqy, and Jack are all regretting teaming up against you to have you "step down" from the team. The game has a ADC role for a REASON. So SNEAKY can be the primary carry and you put that Beavis looking M'fer top lane on tank duty. Im astounded Mao'kai isn't played bc its the granddaddy of all tanks. Like Azeal likes to joke "Hit em with the Mao'kai"
Is it really a bo5 if zven doesnβt randomly facecheck and int in front of baron pit?
Licorice was very vocal on getting rid of Sneaky, good that with his brilliant performance he qualified his team for worlds... well done Licorice
Licorice was also the one feeding at worlds 2019 while managing to have 1 good game on Fiora. Bot lane was stuck on Cassio, Heimerdinger, and Sona. It was revealed by Svenskeren that they were experimenting on stage because Reapered didn't feel like they could win in which Svenskeren said that they won against all teams in scrims except for FPX and IG.
This series was so painful to watch, C9 going full smooth brain.
Licorice 3rd game was on full turbo tilt
could we please have sneaky and memeos cast all of LCS because this is way more entertaining and might actually bring interest back to watching it
"What if C9 just got 3-0'd? That'd be fucked" Sneaky *sipping tea* "That'd be devastating" ^_^
Didnt zven apparently come out and say Caitlyn isn't a playmaking champion prior to this series that's why he doesn't play her she is a warped champion (team needs to play around it)
NO SNEAKY catJAM NO WORLDS catJAM
was waiting for this.
Who is sneaky watching the matches with ?
Meteos
I love that he's still taking shots at his former org. I also GENUINELY love that C9 was knocked out. Not for NA, but because of how arrogant some of their players were (Sven/Nisqy). They deserved a bit of humility.
How many years now Sven missed worlds? Lmao the man is actually just playing pro like solo queue, looking giga boosted
@@kenchen704 he chokes on Ezreal and refused to play Caitlyn lmaoo
@@RickyMuzakki Zven can't play Caitlyn though. He has a 53% win rate on Caitlyn with the most dominant team in EU when he was on G2.
These are fun to watch
In the first game Sneaky and Meteos were saying that Sett building BORK was a bad idea, was tbat because most of the enemy team is range and he wonβt be able to AA anyone consistently? If not, can someone please tell me why?
Oh and why is Cait better blue side? Is it something to do with her traps? Xd
Caitlyn=giga broken Aphelios on that patch. Its easier to explain. Pick or ban. If you ban it blue side you just waste a ban slot and show weakness.
@@kenvuaturmikszgep6362 I did some research and saw that Cait can place some nasty traps on red side, so why is Cait not a waste of a ban for the red side? Sorry if I'm missing something, I'm dumb xd
@@soar0284 Its not exactly that she's "better on blue side", but blue side picks first. If you're picking first then you don't ban the by-far-strongest adc in the meta, you just pick and play it. In red side you would need a huge fuck up (or strategy?) from the blue team to not ban OR pick it for you to have a chance at picking it, so towards very highly contested ban or pick kinda champions, red side always bans, blue side SHOULD always pick, unless it really fucks with the rest of your comp or has batlant lane counters you're afraid of, ectc.
@@Everybodydancenowuhu I understand clearly now. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my nonsense queries. :DD
@@soar0284 Blue side picks first. If you dont ban red side it can be ok but you probably need to build your teamcomp only to make her useless. For example LCK use Ashe as counterpick because the best adcs can play the champ near perfection. Its rather a mindgame in LCK Do you dare to pick Cait into Ashe? but in Na we dont have a Ruler or Ghost so C9 just trolling not accept Caitlyn is the best first pick champ. Even when she has a crap early game still wins most games in Na.
Blabber back at it again contesting raptors and getting killed. God the deja vu.
Man if only C9 had an ADC that understood how to play with a team rather than a solo queue showoff maybe they wouldve gone to worlds
I feel like blaber was bluffing a lot, playing a game of chicken and running games over when he got an advantage from it. Teams started calling his bluff early, than the team had no idea how to play.
My perspective.
How do you not play Cait?
Zven either can't play her competitively, coach strong-headed or just plain out refused
Ironic, TSM got back DL, made it for worlds, C9 booted snacky, got booty touched behind the school bleachers, so insane
57:56 the problem with this is blaber tried to flash e to get the point and click cc, but was out of range after flashing and then has a delayed q, if he was just confident enough for the flash q he kills everytime after hitting
No if he Q before flash next Q is autotarget so he 100% get the stun. It was too optimistic to get the E when BB had flash. Maybe he thought he had nimbus cloack idk. But anyway not a perfect Evelyn play.
Why did Blaber do the Rift Herald on a control ward
Cuz he thought he was Broxah on TL that has enough map pressure to do whatever the fuck he wants XD
what they said at 21:08 is exactly what i said in playoffs. its not the other teams that got better( except tl, but the only way was up for them considering how bad they were in spring), its c9 that got worse. their drafts were garbage, players were making mistakes in build choices, in rune choices and everything and i kept saying tsm was gonna get punished at worlds with their zilean pick. nisquy, who is not a good laner by any means had a solo kill on bjerg if he didnt troll at the end, so one could only imagine what guys like bdd, showmaker, chovy and knight were gonna do to his zilean, but people kept saying i was hating
How did I only just realise Nisqy has predator on Galio? Wtf is that
Faker has it as well.
hahahahahaha love it. C9 having such a great year and missing worlds the way they did Sneaky dirty. Karma. I mean...Sneaky can play Caitlyn at least lmbo
I love watching pro play but something about this kind of commentating is way more entertaining than the shout-casting you regularly hear from the LCS.
i haven't been keeping up, but wasn't C9 the best team in spring lol
βNo Sneaky no worldsβ
Zven can't play Caitlyn so they ban her on blue hahaha what a joke
@@RickyMuzakki just fp me ezreal here itΒ΄s a good pick lmao
What are those Sett builds man
no sneaky no worlds 2
I don't know why but I think c9 about to have another drama and Licorice will be in the center. They were known as having the most dominant season in na history but doesn't make worlds?
Great video !
I- These pick bans for the first game look so confusing
Biofrost popped off with Rakan. Crazy that he was benched for Treatz for awhile
TSM locks Skarner Rakan B2,3 and C9 doesn't follow with a Zilean ban. Interesting.
Sneaky I can't believe it's almost been a year since you last played for C9.
I hope your back has had enough time to recover from constantly carrying them.
Karma works in wonderful ways doesn't it? :)
He didn't do too great last world's, but I don't think it was solely his fault, and not everyone can play well every game
@@dimyell if you look at podcasts that involved old C9 players like svernsken, they said that it was reapered who was mainly making problems for their team.
In ref to the ending I'd be surprised to see meteos on any team 2021 season after his horrendous 2020 performance
Iβd rather if he became an analyst Lcs commentator
@@YeahChance it's funny you say that cause he would actually fit in with LCS analysts
@@cingsing986 yep. LCS losing jatt made the analyst weak again. he can fulfill his shoes easily. He already has a lot of experience on the desk as an analyst anyways plus he's pretty well spoken. maybe he wants to try 1 more year out as a pro but I really hope he becomes an analyst LCS commentator
@@YeahChance I don't think he'd fill the shoes per say but he would definitely help raise the bar I mean LCS production is light-years away from LEC, but I see it improving definitely
Sneaky knows how to play Caitlyn.
Nisqy and blaberβs ego thinking they were the best in the world was the problem
yeah i mean nobody was able to understand the cait ban on blue side. its supposed to be the red team having to ban cait every game and blue side getting a free ban, but c9 gave tsm a free ban by always banning cait on blue
But I wanted to know what he thought about black cleaver on Senna...
It's actually very good, you actually can kill tanks, also hp and speed help you survive and kite. The 36% armor reduction also makes squishy even squishier
Ahhh coming back to watching these and i feel the anger towards licorice and blaber from these games ππ
Anyone notice that the mic picked up a giant fart at 54:55 ππ
Can't hear it.
Hey Sneaky or anyone who knows, where'd he get those wings!!!
Buffalo Wild Wings! Theyβre amazing lol I recognized the boxes
Meteos: he is 0-5 on this champion
Sneaky: That's Impressive
Me: dying from Laughter
The old C9 would've made it to worlds